What are YOUR thematic/moral takeaways from Dune? Do you agree or disagree with mine? Let's have a discussion! And let me know if you like this style of video for future topics
I think about Dune everyday. It is such a beautiful story with powerful messages and I think it is timeless. It is so fortunate that I never had it spoiled, was never forced to read it, and came to love it all on my own. I constantly think about how GEoD. I am atheist, but if tomorrow I met someone who could analyze things faster than a computer, could tell when you were lying, had almost irrationally accurate intuition, knowledge of everything in the past and knew everything that could happen in the future, could change the universe at their leisure, control your will with their voice, and was immortal; then I would probably consider them god. The only thing that separates this character from God, would be intangibility. Which at that point I begin to question the existence of nature? Its so unsettling to me because what if by raising people to believe in any God, you will their existences and prophecies too. Where is the line between logic and wisdom? Autonomy and morality? With Paul you could genuinely argue about who is using who more: the fremen or Paul. With Leto II you see the bigger picture, without adversity there is no progress. There's so many layers. The present is control by the past and the price of the future is paid in the present. Abominations are just people in the present possessed by the will, memories, and values of the Dead. There's no independence or agency for people like this. I am not sure if this was the actual intent of Frank Herbert but to me this is a beautiful metaphor for the existential crisis I feel about religion. Morality is not something anyone should decide for you because that absolves you the burden of thinking for yourself. How miserable can you justify making the present to honor the will of the past or to make a future worth living? In the past they dreamed of a green paradise planet for Dune. Once it became Green, the ones who dreamed were long gone, and the ones who lived in it have no connection to the old world. They are weaker for it. The Fremen who lived in the desert have changed through environment, appearance, culture, values, and identity. The standard of what's right and wrong can change over time. Every planet is habitable, every human is stronger and smarter, there's no thirst, hunger, war, or any adversity. Yet they never asked for this universe they can't travel it, change it, and they are oppressed by a God Emperor who controls all of their futures and they have no free will in anyway that actually matters. How can you truly have freewill if God has a plan for you and everyone? Think of all the personalities God could have, would he even be on our side? To what extent? What if your morality does not line up with Gods? By all reason and logic you might think you are doing the right thing, but in the face of infinity its all so short term that you can never really consider what the right thing should be for those who don't exist yet. TLDR: Changing the world/universe takes some serious audacity. Felt validation for my religious nihilism.
Really good video. So much of the Dune series is about control and how to get it and what getting it in different ways does to you and this is a really solid understanding of that and how it connects with the real world
Dune is so prescient. It's like humans can't change, making the same mistakes over and over again. In dune it's machines and spice. In our world it's machines and oil. This video was so eye opening. Thank you.
It's downright frightening how all the topics are so prevalent today more than ever. Decadence that breeds incompetence. Bureaucracies that developed out of innovations after the world wars turn around and try their best to keep new innovations down.
It's confusing to me. If the story of Paul Atreides is supposed to be a cautionary tale of a charismatic leader, I kind of feel like Frank Herbert isn't selling that to me very well. If Paul had any real agency, as in if he could chose not to wage any war -then i'd buy it, but since he had no choice I don't. That is, if it wasn't so that his prescience could be flawed and that there was some indication of this in the story. I can't even feel that it's "evil" for Paul not to try to deny himself being the Lisan al Gaib, because he did try at first, and also some of the fundamentalists would probably be prepared to murder him and use his martyrdom to still start the jihad. I haven't read the books, only watched the Denis Villeneuve movies. Have I missed or misinterpreted something?
What are YOUR thematic/moral takeaways from Dune? Do you agree or disagree with mine? Let's have a discussion! And let me know if you like this style of video for future topics
Big worms cool.
I think about Dune everyday. It is such a beautiful story with powerful messages and I think it is timeless. It is so fortunate that I never had it spoiled, was never forced to read it, and came to love it all on my own. I constantly think about how GEoD. I am atheist, but if tomorrow I met someone who could analyze things faster than a computer, could tell when you were lying, had almost irrationally accurate intuition, knowledge of everything in the past and knew everything that could happen in the future, could change the universe at their leisure, control your will with their voice, and was immortal; then I would probably consider them god. The only thing that separates this character from God, would be intangibility. Which at that point I begin to question the existence of nature? Its so unsettling to me because what if by raising people to believe in any God, you will their existences and prophecies too.
Where is the line between logic and wisdom? Autonomy and morality? With Paul you could genuinely argue about who is using who more: the fremen or Paul. With Leto II you see the bigger picture, without adversity there is no progress. There's so many layers. The present is control by the past and the price of the future is paid in the present. Abominations are just people in the present possessed by the will, memories, and values of the Dead. There's no independence or agency for people like this. I am not sure if this was the actual intent of Frank Herbert but to me this is a beautiful metaphor for the existential crisis I feel about religion. Morality is not something anyone should decide for you because that absolves you the burden of thinking for yourself.
How miserable can you justify making the present to honor the will of the past or to make a future worth living? In the past they dreamed of a green paradise planet for Dune. Once it became Green, the ones who dreamed were long gone, and the ones who lived in it have no connection to the old world. They are weaker for it. The Fremen who lived in the desert have changed through environment, appearance, culture, values, and identity. The standard of what's right and wrong can change over time. Every planet is habitable, every human is stronger and smarter, there's no thirst, hunger, war, or any adversity. Yet they never asked for this universe they can't travel it, change it, and they are oppressed by a God Emperor who controls all of their futures and they have no free will in anyway that actually matters. How can you truly have freewill if God has a plan for you and everyone? Think of all the personalities God could have, would he even be on our side? To what extent? What if your morality does not line up with Gods? By all reason and logic you might think you are doing the right thing, but in the face of infinity its all so short term that you can never really consider what the right thing should be for those who don't exist yet.
TLDR: Changing the world/universe takes some serious audacity. Felt validation for my religious nihilism.
Really good video. So much of the Dune series is about control and how to get it and what getting it in different ways does to you and this is a really solid understanding of that and how it connects with the real world
You and the guy named Quinn from Quinn's ideas should link up.
Yeahhh Quinn is so cooool
That would actually be goated.
Hell yes
For both a Dune and Cthulu series of videos
For real 🔥
Enjoyed this very much. One of my favorites is one of the quotes at the head of each chapter; “That which submits, rules”
This was fantastic. Well done! I wish it was longer and you went deeper into each topic, but I was still happy with what you discussed.
Dune is so prescient. It's like humans can't change, making the same mistakes over and over again. In dune it's machines and spice. In our world it's machines and oil. This video was so eye opening. Thank you.
This was awesome. Thanks for putting it together!
Appreciate it, glad you enjoyed!
It's downright frightening how all the topics are so prevalent today more than ever. Decadence that breeds incompetence. Bureaucracies that developed out of innovations after the world wars turn around and try their best to keep new innovations down.
If we make it past the pole flip, maybe we will find our Dune.
Also Spice is an allegory for oil.
It's confusing to me. If the story of Paul Atreides is supposed to be a cautionary tale of a charismatic leader, I kind of feel like Frank Herbert isn't selling that to me very well. If Paul had any real agency, as in if he could chose not to wage any war -then i'd buy it, but since he had no choice I don't. That is, if it wasn't so that his prescience could be flawed and that there was some indication of this in the story. I can't even feel that it's "evil" for Paul not to try to deny himself being the Lisan al Gaib, because he did try at first, and also some of the fundamentalists would probably be prepared to murder him and use his martyrdom to still start the jihad. I haven't read the books, only watched the Denis Villeneuve movies. Have I missed or misinterpreted something?
3:17 how do you hert some1 that hert alot of people?.../equall?...
It would be better to not use [expanded dune] material at all.