How the Pacers ruined a championship contender with tiny moves and one big injury

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  • Опубліковано 5 гру 2020
  • This is a different kind of Collapse. The Pacers didn't fall from best record in the NBA to the league's basement. They did fall, though, and while their decline wasn't so deep, it was particularly weird.
    A lot of people remember Paul George's broken leg, and that played a big part in a great team's demise. The Pacers, though, showed signs of fracturing long before George's injury. (That was an unintentional pun, but we're just gonna leave it.) Seemingly minor moves by team president Larry Bird -- a little trade here, a little signing there -- rattled the team's stars, and perhaps contributed to measurable drops in production.
    Bad vibes led to public grouchiness, which led to some surprising departures, which led a team that was already teetering before George's broken leg to capsize for real.
    The Pacers' fall from elite to ordinary looks simple from afar, but it includes some strange details you might not remember.
    Directed by Ryan Simmons
    Motion graphics by Michael Das
    Written and produced by Seth Rosenthal
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  • @HandlewasNo
    @HandlewasNo 3 роки тому +3257

    I swear david west has been called a veteran since his first day in the league lol

  • @12packersfan
    @12packersfan 3 роки тому +4251

    “George played spectacular playoff basketball and everyone else kind of disappointed”
    Oh how the turntables

  • @nolanhartman9046
    @nolanhartman9046 3 роки тому +1052

    Larry bird just forgot to turn off chemistry before he started

    • @ev3rett
      @ev3rett 3 роки тому +73

      Rookie Mistake

    • @linksaze3806
      @linksaze3806 3 роки тому +57

      BINGO!!! .....Larry Bird was like let me show everybody how quickly I can make this team suck.

    • @David-iv6je
      @David-iv6je 2 місяці тому

      ua-cam.com/video/qgCVR2pjXc0/v-deo.html&ab_channel=SemisonicVEVO

  • @Exil22
    @Exil22 3 роки тому +2036

    As a kid growing up in Cincinnati, the drive to Indy was only about 90 minutes. I used to go to this era of Pacers games all the time and that team + Paul George and Danny Granger were the entire reason I got hooked on the NBA. This video was nostalgic!

    • @rdcp1899
      @rdcp1899 3 роки тому +38

      Didn't expect to see you here. But that duo could have one of the best offensive combo sadly without granger getting injured, paul george wouldn't have much playing time and would've stunted his growth a bit :(

    • @ManFrancisco
      @ManFrancisco 3 роки тому +12

      You getting to Indy from cincy in 90 mins what kinda ride you got 😂 I live between the two

    • @erics.czernecki7333
      @erics.czernecki7333 3 роки тому +16

      So, I'm guessing once LeBron came back, the Cleveland drive suddenly became far easier for you?

    • @eriklakeland3857
      @eriklakeland3857 3 роки тому +15

      @@ManFrancisco he could mean one of the outlying areas of Cincinnati, like Harrison is otw to Indy. That’d be a shorter drive than downtown Cincy to the Fieldhouse

    • @bradsully6620
      @bradsully6620 3 роки тому +5

      You must have been on the west side. I live in cincy and I guess you could get there in 90 minutes if you haul ass. 74 all the way there!!!

  • @eduardodarthvader
    @eduardodarthvader 3 роки тому +1971

    I want to retire as a clipper
    - Paul "Oklahoma I'm here to stay" George

    • @chacesherrod6713
      @chacesherrod6713 3 роки тому +129

      Didn’t he say the same thing in Indiana

    • @nojustv7825
      @nojustv7825 3 роки тому +56

      now he says he wants to be clipper for life

    • @arif9280
      @arif9280 3 роки тому +13

      Didnt he get traded by Oklahoma

    • @karmanmann369
      @karmanmann369 3 роки тому +51

      @@arif9280 he requested a trade once kawhi came

    • @alexescutia4805
      @alexescutia4805 3 роки тому +37

      @@arif9280 after demanding a trade to play with kawhi yes

  • @eastsidereviews727
    @eastsidereviews727 3 роки тому +1372

    It's crazy how quickly the center that Roy Hibbert was became extinct.

    • @trvspvrk
      @trvspvrk 3 роки тому +49

      He was never good to me, always overrated

    • @eijisawakita1654
      @eijisawakita1654 3 роки тому +86

      Pero Antic and Paul Millsap exposed him that's why they're struggle to surpass the 8th seed Hawks

    • @Th3BATWhoWinz83
      @Th3BATWhoWinz83 3 роки тому +98

      Rumor is paul george slept with his girlfriend n he was never the same after that

    • @hennylo68
      @hennylo68 3 роки тому +80

      That type of center did become extinct quickly. Bynum, Whiteside all looked promising, yet so quickly teams didn't want that. Now they want them to shoot 3's. Basketball has become boring.

    • @hbdragon88
      @hbdragon88 3 роки тому +65

      @@hennylo68 A. Bynum was sunk by a terrible attitude. He never played a game for the Sixers after the trade because he went bowling and messed up his knee. I know he was on the Pacers for a bit and didn't think he did much but here I see that his signing affected Hibbert a lot.

  • @futureDreamer4
    @futureDreamer4 3 роки тому +473

    Once Bird traded Granger the whole team fell apart.

    • @hoosier3060
      @hoosier3060 3 роки тому +59

      Anime King he was the glue guy. He was funny, and made the locker room cohesive.

    • @MrButter543
      @MrButter543 3 роки тому +50

      granger was the best 2k player of all time idk if you know this but i agree with the take

    • @traviscarlson8810
      @traviscarlson8810 3 роки тому +11

      @@MrButter543 yo Fr fr I had a diamond card of his a couple of years ago. Goated

    • @KeiFresh
      @KeiFresh 3 роки тому

      @@MrButter543 nah, that’s Joe Johnson

    • @NoTengoDinero69
      @NoTengoDinero69 2 роки тому

      100%

  • @russellst.martin4255
    @russellst.martin4255 3 роки тому +171

    Weird that we could've seen PG and Kawhi together immediately if the Pacers hadn't traded Kawhi for Hill on Draft night.

    • @resurrectedpa
      @resurrectedpa 3 роки тому +2

      Yooooo

    • @mxhughes
      @mxhughes 3 роки тому +10

      It wouldn't have worked they both were the same position player and were developing their skills plus Granger was still their leader n starter before that bad knee injury took him out

    • @SmoothCriminal12
      @SmoothCriminal12 2 роки тому +5

      Had they taken Jrue Holiday or Jeff Teague in 2009 over mother effing Tyler Hansbrough, they would've never had to move Kawhi for Hill. Think about that.

    • @narrow3601
      @narrow3601 2 роки тому +14

      Except for the fact that Kawhi only became a good player when he was on the Spurs. Before San Antonio he wasn't a very good player, he even developed his jump shot in San Antonio and the Spurs basically created Kawhi's offense and defense so you know Kawhi had to become a Spur to be good

    • @iwishiwasthomasshelby
      @iwishiwasthomasshelby 2 роки тому +1

      Imagine a lineup of Jamaal Tinsley, Paul George, Kawhi Leonard, Ron Artest, Jermaine O’Neal, and Danny Granger off the bench.

  • @12packersfan
    @12packersfan 3 роки тому +1026

    I was not ready for the phrase “breakout wild card Lance Stephenson”

    • @samjasek1755
      @samjasek1755 3 роки тому +109

      He’s the best player to trade for in nba 2k15 in a rebuild. He becomes like a 97

    • @Drequeezy
      @Drequeezy 3 роки тому +4

      @@samjasek1755 lmao bruh frr

    • @amirahmednur1631
      @amirahmednur1631 3 роки тому +5

      When there’s no expectations it’s easy to play free, when the spot light is on him he really do throw the ball off the backboard (he did it against brons heat 🤣)

    • @acgeewhiz
      @acgeewhiz 3 роки тому +5

      *laughs/cries in Hornets fan*

    • @dnice2000
      @dnice2000 3 роки тому +4

      His best seasons came with indy though. He had that one year where in 13-14, he balled out.

  • @corpyhogan4433
    @corpyhogan4433 3 роки тому +367

    Sadly this is the story for all small markets. One bad decision could lead to your entire franchise derailing

    • @ceebee312
      @ceebee312 3 роки тому +39

      Tell that to the SA Spurs ... then again, they were fortunate to land Duncan, Parker n Ginobili, which of em took pay cuts on their salary

    • @nickdesjardins5987
      @nickdesjardins5987 3 роки тому +57

      @@ceebee312 one of the best franchises in one of the biggest states... yea idk If that’s small market

    • @weregretohio7728
      @weregretohio7728 3 роки тому

      The NBA - world's shittiest league.

    • @alexdehart6626
      @alexdehart6626 3 роки тому +35

      That is what scares me as Grizz fan. We have the potential to be a great team with Ja and Jaren. Memphis is a very small market though and will never attract free agents.

    • @jordifuentes2299
      @jordifuentes2299 3 роки тому +23

      @@nickdesjardins5987 the spurs organization is technically a small market. They may have been successful but I don’t even think they are a top 10 big market.

  • @KeiFresh
    @KeiFresh 3 роки тому +298

    2017 wasn’t an easy sweep, it was the closest sweep in NBA history, every game was decided by 4 points I believe

    • @pedrosolorio6133
      @pedrosolorio6133 2 роки тому +27

      You right but they didn’t win any

    • @chefcurryj8469
      @chefcurryj8469 2 роки тому +14

      Reminds me of the Lakers vs Sixers finals

    • @AspireGMD
      @AspireGMD Рік тому +3

      Still a sweep lol.

    • @KeiFresh
      @KeiFresh Рік тому +24

      @@AspireGMD no one said it wasn’t…

    • @Recurses
      @Recurses Рік тому

      Easy series tho

  • @wileycraft9869
    @wileycraft9869 3 роки тому +121

    This video breaks my heart. They were SO GOOD in 13-14. For half a season I really believed they were going to win the title. Then it all...you know...collapsed.

    • @somerandomguy84
      @somerandomguy84 2 роки тому

      Interestingly, even despite their limp into the playoffs they still had pretty robust title odds entering the playoffs (like +750 I think). Heck they even dominated g1 of the ECF and were probably a handful of mistakes from going up 2-0.

  • @hristijanzdravkovski5970
    @hristijanzdravkovski5970 3 роки тому +582

    "George way off hits the side of the backboard"- the words I associate the most with Paul "I wanna retire in Indiana/OKC/a Clipper" George.

    • @DaCoDgamer
      @DaCoDgamer 3 роки тому +31

      Then your literally like 10 years old and most likely a Lakers bandwagon lmaoo FOH no one cares what you associate with him

    • @quizwizzash7458
      @quizwizzash7458 3 роки тому +6

      @@DaCoDgamer that’s exactly what I was thinking lol

    • @iim6ke230
      @iim6ke230 3 роки тому +31

      @@DaCoDgamer dang bro u mad?

    • @arnelcabusao8729
      @arnelcabusao8729 3 роки тому +27

      @@DaCoDgamer woah calm down Jamal 💀

    • @reignmans
      @reignmans 3 роки тому +5

      @@iim6ke230 Ooooh he mad ! He's madder than Mad Jack McMad, the winner of this year's Mr Madman competition

  • @sstar202
    @sstar202 3 роки тому +441

    Frank Vogel and David West won a ring first before Paul George does. lol

    • @MrYoYoBoBoChaddyInsaneZhangII
      @MrYoYoBoBoChaddyInsaneZhangII 3 роки тому +30

      That’s what happens when you coach a goat contender and play for the greatest team of all time.

    • @andresdelportillo9917
      @andresdelportillo9917 3 роки тому +13

      Vogel got carried by lebum and AD

    • @RafitoOoO
      @RafitoOoO 3 роки тому +14

      @@andresdelportillo9917 he adjusted really well throughout the series.

    • @mr.pointman1930
      @mr.pointman1930 3 роки тому +6

      @@andresdelportillo9917
      I bet, your support team is overrated warriors and clippers. Trust me, they about to get exposed again at the start of this month.

    • @ethanjobson3817
      @ethanjobson3817 3 роки тому +30

      Starting to think Vogel is somewhat underrated as a coach given what he's accomplished and what he's had.

  • @stevenlopez1255
    @stevenlopez1255 3 роки тому +92

    this paul george was an absolute killer, this man nearly disrupted the Heatles title runs

  • @kenthehobo
    @kenthehobo 3 роки тому +248

    Funny when you talk about Bird and Vogel, Vogel means Bird in German 😅

  • @chadwickbasedman2387
    @chadwickbasedman2387 3 роки тому +436

    Beef History: Regular Season PG13 vs Playoff P

  • @rishikrishnan7236
    @rishikrishnan7236 3 роки тому +614

    This should be wayyyy longer, this franchise has been screwed for such a long time. I feel so bad for Pacers fans

    • @mlgenderclangaming5470
      @mlgenderclangaming5470 3 роки тому +12

      Lmfao they are a small team that ruins their own champs every time. Terrible organization

    • @rishikrishnan7236
      @rishikrishnan7236 3 роки тому +107

      @Russell Westbrook yelling at women and children they had the reggie miller pacers who had to face the bulls and lakers, they had the ron arrest pacers who had the malice at the palace incident which pretty much ended that, they had the paul george pacers who had to face the heat, and then paul george got injured and when he came back the team was not the same, they traded him to okc for oladipo and sabonis, who were fantastic for them, especially oladipo, but they had to face the cavs, and then oladipo got injured, and now there are so many teams better than them in the eastern conference. that’s tough

    • @EdSmith313
      @EdSmith313 3 роки тому +18

      I think that the inevitable Untitled episode on Reggie Miller should satisfy that need for longer suffering.

    • @LoganRoyalty05
      @LoganRoyalty05 3 роки тому +11

      It hurts

    • @LoganRoyalty05
      @LoganRoyalty05 3 роки тому +31

      I'm depressed as a Pacers fan

  • @bigbadzeus8321
    @bigbadzeus8321 3 роки тому +99

    A 2014-2015 Atlanta Hawks or Memphis “Grit & Grind” Grizzlies collapse would be great.

    • @commonsenseking6386
      @commonsenseking6386 3 роки тому +11

      I would like the 1990's Orlando Magic with Shaq, 1990's Portland Trailblazers with Clyde Drexler, and the Atlanta Hawks with Dominique Wilkins. I know 30 for 30 did an episode the 1990's Orlando Magic but a different perfective would be good.

  • @cascade9844
    @cascade9844 Рік тому +9

    Larry Bird could not have screwed up more. That pacers team in 2013-14 started 18-2 and was 46-13 shortly after the trade deadline, and then collapsed by winning 10 of their last 26 games, barely held on to the #1 seed, and were lucky to even make it out of the first round. Hibbert went from a DPOY candidate and a top 5 center to a complete scrub overnight after the Bynum trade, which was a big problem since hibbert was the anchor for their amazing defense that had given the Heat a lot of trouble during their regular season matchups. Hibbert fell off so dramatically that he put up a stat-line of 0 points and 0 rebounds with 5 fouls in a game 5 loss vs the 8 seed hawks that left the pacers on the brink of first round elimination. Such a shame. No wonder he stepped down from being GM after that disaster.

  • @MKISports
    @MKISports 3 роки тому +485

    The Indiana Pacers are the biggest what-ifs in the 2010's.
    They're really a good team. But they just couldn't get over Miami.

    • @Geassmaster55
      @Geassmaster55 3 роки тому +35

      Lol nah Harden staying in OKC is a bigger what if

    • @Geassmaster55
      @Geassmaster55 3 роки тому +2

      Also Pacers were kinda trash let's be honest

    • @kdburner5783
      @kdburner5783 3 роки тому +4

      OKC 1st and Indiana 2nd

    • @greystripe
      @greystripe 3 роки тому +7

      At this point you could say that about the Rockets to...

    • @gunsmotleyqueen
      @gunsmotleyqueen 3 роки тому +50

      Its derrick rose being healthy is the biggest what if

  • @eijisawakita1654
    @eijisawakita1654 3 роки тому +110

    They went downhill after the Danny Granger trade, you can't see him play but he's the glue of Pacers

    • @faceless-x-abberation8400
      @faceless-x-abberation8400 3 роки тому +10

      That I can understand. Granger was the man. Granger was more of a Pacer than anyone else in the team. So losing him understandably hit the team hard. Its sad what happened.

    • @stefanlal3060
      @stefanlal3060 2 роки тому +4

      Right he was the pacers. Before injuries caught up to him he was a freakin monster for them. He was definately the gluee i agree.

  • @ehess6887
    @ehess6887 2 роки тому +106

    As a dedicated Pacers fan: This was a slow depressing walk down memory lane and what could’ve been.
    But let’s not forget that it took a four HOFers [Top 2 player all time (LBJ), Top 4-5 SG all time (DWade), probably the second best shooter of all time (Ray Allen) and 11x all star Chris Bosh] to send this Indiana team home. People don’t realize how good this team actually was.
    But nothing hurts more than PG saying that AD wanted to come to Indy...and that the front office was unwilling to commit to a move for AD, and therefore in PG’s mind...unwilling to commit to winning.

    • @alexandradaniels6048
      @alexandradaniels6048 2 роки тому +2

      Leaves out a pretty important detail there though: the Pacers would have had to trade a lot of pieces to make it happen but Davis (who I would be a UFA very soon) stated he wouldn’t agree to an extension.

    • @daviddoughtyjr648
      @daviddoughtyjr648 2 роки тому

      And honestly wiyh how injury ridden ad has been lately I'm glad the pacers didn't trade for him honestly

    • @nicolasyl3498
      @nicolasyl3498 Рік тому +8

      @@daviddoughtyjr648 this was 2017. Him being there for 2/3 years would’ve helped things out. And I don’t think he was that injury prone as he is now. The pacers would have 2 great defenders, pg can improve his planing from off the pick and roll with ad, he can get his shots off from ad’s screen. Only problem would be Myles turner and his development and how he would play with ad

    • @INVINCIBLE-qs7no
      @INVINCIBLE-qs7no 7 місяців тому

      @@nicolasyl3498 AD played the 4 then

    • @INVINCIBLE-qs7no
      @INVINCIBLE-qs7no 7 місяців тому

      @@daviddoughtyjr648 he's been the best player on a finals team... how was passing on him a good idea?

  • @lt9303
    @lt9303 3 роки тому +10

    growing up in indy and being a pacers fan this video really brought back a lot of memories. there were peaks and valleys for sure, but it was neat to see a small market TEAM play basketball. The pacers were and always will be that. Proud franchise.

  • @Cramhead43
    @Cramhead43 3 роки тому +72

    As a lifelong Pacers fan I’ve been waiting for this day all my life.

    • @toddward5675
      @toddward5675 3 роки тому

      Its a stretch but we could finally do it this year as long as there are no injuries

    • @MrNaturalSez
      @MrNaturalSez 3 роки тому

      Sounds like a hard life!

    • @robertbui9030
      @robertbui9030 3 роки тому

      @@toddward5675 nope

  • @chanendlerbong
    @chanendlerbong 3 роки тому +163

    The times where Playoff P isnt Wayoff P or PG24% or PG13%

    • @athleticdonut5677
      @athleticdonut5677 3 роки тому

      bruh those names

    • @tbagspecialist8497
      @tbagspecialist8497 3 роки тому +1

      Pg24 was way better

    • @dusk6159
      @dusk6159 3 роки тому +1

      He was bad in the Playoffs even then, PG rode a stacked and ready to go Pacers team killed by Lebron and, after that squad was no more, quickly choked to Lebron on the Cavs this time, proving how fundamental was that team to his succesful performance (in fact he became even worse when he left the Pacers and got to the Thunder and Clippers teams...).

    • @owethunala2632
      @owethunala2632 3 роки тому

      PG24% was never a thing.

    • @owethunala2632
      @owethunala2632 3 роки тому

      @@dusk6159 bro wasn't he averaging like 25ppg on good efficiency and playing good D tho

  • @ruslankiselev72
    @ruslankiselev72 3 роки тому +15

    I think this is honestly one of the best collapse episode I ever watched, the comments from Seth is really on point, also as a Miami Heat fan, The Pacers really did had a great chance to go, or easily advance to the Finals.
    One of the most underrated NBA team, in history, that’s for sure.

  • @josegutierrez5662
    @josegutierrez5662 2 роки тому +8

    Your channel is amazing . It has got me through tough times and also through just regular work days I can't say enough how much you have helped

  • @theacelestino4709
    @theacelestino4709 3 роки тому +106

    I thought this would mentioned when George got mad at CJ Miles for shooting the final shot in a game instead of passing to him even if he was well defended.

    • @asanitheafrofuturist
      @asanitheafrofuturist 3 роки тому +3

      Maaan that hurt 😂😭

    • @dusk6159
      @dusk6159 3 роки тому

      @@burneraccount2761 Mmmm with Lebron and other Cavaliers finessing, playing and switching up and down at will (with historical comebacks performed too in Game 3) I don't know about that.

    • @adityavarshney6690
      @adityavarshney6690 3 роки тому +7

      definitely the lowest point right there imo PG showed his true colors

    • @iwishiwasthomasshelby
      @iwishiwasthomasshelby 2 роки тому

      Yeah, never liked Paul George but that was one of the lows where he showed his true colors.

  • @D4rr3l93
    @D4rr3l93 3 роки тому +88

    As a Raptors fan, I was absolutely terrified of Paul George in that first round series. Crazy how things have turned out since.

    • @alexandradaniels6048
      @alexandradaniels6048 2 роки тому +3

      We’re still “pretty good” but we are just developing talent. I think a front court of Myles/Sabonis is going to be tough once we get out back court and wings healthy

  • @malcolmwolfe8879
    @malcolmwolfe8879 3 роки тому +82

    I hate this one, as a lifetime pacers fan: this was the most exciting time outside of 2000

    • @eriklakeland3857
      @eriklakeland3857 3 роки тому +19

      Without Malace at the Palace they could’ve got it done in Miller’s final year.

    • @michaelcreek3813
      @michaelcreek3813 3 роки тому +2

      @@eriklakeland3857 Without the brawl, it would not have been Reggie's final season.

    • @dustywilson6959
      @dustywilson6959 3 роки тому

      @@eriklakeland3857 There is no way in hell they would have beat that 05 Spurs team in the Finals GTFOH!! Prime Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, Bruce Bowen, Brent Barry, Robert Horry and Glenn Robinson 🤦‍♂️

    • @eriklakeland3857
      @eriklakeland3857 3 роки тому

      @@dustywilson6959 the pistons took the Spurs to 7 games in 05 Finals, so to suggest that loaded Pacers team had “no chance in hell” is plain silly. Pistons had a great shot, they were tied going into the 4th quarter of game 7 to eventually only lose by 7. Were you too busy fondling Duncan’s balls to realize they didn’t sweep Detroit?

    • @eljahihamgottin4540
      @eljahihamgottin4540 3 роки тому

      @@ColeCoibiBFDIObject What?

  • @derekneaz-nibur407
    @derekneaz-nibur407 3 роки тому +27

    Great video as usual. I’d love to see a collapse on the post Jim Kelly Bills. Growing up a Pats fan in the 90s, we were always runner up to them and their decline kind of coincided with our rise. Just a thought. Love the series, keep em coming.

  • @demaszstyo9644
    @demaszstyo9644 3 роки тому +145

    Three words: Rule of Verticality

    • @30likeimcurry
      @30likeimcurry 3 роки тому +33

      turned Roy Hibbert from DPOY to scrub

    • @jesserice7777
      @jesserice7777 3 роки тому

      Ground & pound.

    • @thedigitalodometer945
      @thedigitalodometer945 3 роки тому +5

      Three more words: What is that?

    • @chronomenter
      @chronomenter 3 роки тому

      @@thedigitalodometer945 it’s tall boi inside

    • @smoothsavage2870
      @smoothsavage2870 3 роки тому +7

      @@thedigitalodometer945 When you're trying to defend the rim, you get to defend and avoid fouling on the inside against players driving by jumping straight up. Roy Hibbert used to do this often to defend the rim. IIRC you can make contact with the player on offense without getting a whistle so long as your hands are straight up when it happens. You have to watch some of those playoffs series to see it in action.

  • @danielmaia3559
    @danielmaia3559 3 роки тому +78

    Bird knew from the start the Paul George would never sign a extension and stay in Indiana. But he failed to use all his contract years to place Indiana into a better future post George

    • @linksaze3806
      @linksaze3806 3 роки тому +7

      That's a lie . Larry Bird was making mistakes long before Paul decided to leave. And Larry bird stepped down from his position before Paul actually left Indiana.

    • @bricefleckenstein9666
      @bricefleckenstein9666 2 роки тому +1

      @@linksaze3806 Bird was better as a coach overall, though he DID have some success as front office.

  • @Taikun787
    @Taikun787 3 роки тому +16

    "That's a bad video, I don't care what you say. It's a bad video."-PG13

    • @Xe54official
      @Xe54official 3 роки тому

      Youre a pure hater. Imagine 4months og comment and only 6 people agreed with you.

    • @Taikun787
      @Taikun787 3 роки тому +1

      @@Xe54official HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA X,DDDDDD

  • @Ramezk23
    @Ramezk23 3 роки тому +18

    2013 Paul George was the most amazing player behind LeBron, and almost ruined that prime Miami team

  • @sjswift7448
    @sjswift7448 3 роки тому +90

    That mid 2010’s team was my childhood team right there.

  • @masonjones5654
    @masonjones5654 3 роки тому +63

    Man I knew we this one was gonna have to be made eventually. It’s sad being a pacers fan sometimes.

    • @maxprohm2137
      @maxprohm2137 3 роки тому

      I feel you dude

    • @T-W-M
      @T-W-M 3 роки тому +1

      Yeah it is, but I’m always gonna root for my team 🤷🏼‍♂️

    • @tuckerseifert3977
      @tuckerseifert3977 3 роки тому

      Only sometimes?

    • @BlackOpsoXXo
      @BlackOpsoXXo 3 роки тому

      I feel like we’re always so average

    • @rcfresh4345
      @rcfresh4345 3 роки тому +2

      @@BlackOpsoXXo More like usually very good but not able to get past jordan/pippen, kobe/shaq then james/wade. Honestly the brawl in Detroit messed up the Pacers best chance for a title...that team was much better than the pistons who ended up winning it all that year.

  • @KennyMcCormick99
    @KennyMcCormick99 3 роки тому +1

    SOOOO CLOSE TO A MILLION SUBS!
    (I honestly cant believe its even taken this long! Especially as awesome as this channel is!)

  • @JoeMama-tl4tr
    @JoeMama-tl4tr 3 роки тому +440

    I can’t wait for the “How the Milwaukee Bucks squandered Giannis’ best years in the NBA” future episode

    • @navonmyhand7999
      @navonmyhand7999 3 роки тому +19

      😕😞😞 I'm not looking forward to that

    • @blackappleslo
      @blackappleslo 3 роки тому +25

      Well he also underperforms every year in the playoffs. He deserves the critique as well

    • @kare-ebigenesisugbagba9214
      @kare-ebigenesisugbagba9214 3 роки тому +22

      @@blackappleslo Yeah. but it ain't just Giannis' fault. coach Bud doesn't adjust in playoffs. Middleton as their best perimeter scorer is inconsistent when defense focuses on Giannis. All three, Giannis, Middleton and coach Bud need to step up. now, they ain't the favorite to come out of the east. underdog mindset could do them good.

    • @blackappleslo
      @blackappleslo 3 роки тому +11

      @@kare-ebigenesisugbagba9214 I didn’t said it’s just his fault. I just think 99% of the people point out that his teammates sucked, when imo he should also take some of the responsibility. He was the mvp for god sake. But I agree with your second part tho. All three main “actors” need to step up next year.

    • @kabagemayannick5097
      @kabagemayannick5097 3 роки тому

      Please don’t jinx it

  • @Conquistador76
    @Conquistador76 3 роки тому +21

    Thanks Seth. I’ve seen that leg injury once and I never want to see it again, good idea to leave the footage out.

    • @N0ah0721
      @N0ah0721 3 роки тому +1

      Did you really think they were gonna show it? Course not.

    • @underpressure07140
      @underpressure07140 3 роки тому +1

      I have never seen that leg injury, and I'm sure I never want to see it ever

    • @TarmaanProductions
      @TarmaanProductions 3 роки тому +1

      @@underpressure07140 you don’t

  • @bretesta
    @bretesta 3 роки тому +46

    I feel like a pacers untitled would've been cool cause then you could talk about Reggie Miller too

  • @benn255b3
    @benn255b3 3 роки тому +6

    I loved watching those battles between the Heat and Pacers, not many rivals alive in the NBA like that anymore.

  • @aaronslaton9733
    @aaronslaton9733 3 роки тому +14

    As a Pacers fan watching this video it makes me sympathize with Paul George. At the time all of this happened I hated him for wanting to leave Indy, but seeing all of these boneheaded trades it seems he was justified.

    • @LunaticTheCat
      @LunaticTheCat 3 місяці тому

      Ya, in hindsight, leaving Indy 100% was the right decision.

  • @foualter102
    @foualter102 3 роки тому +7

    I remember that 2013 Heat vs Pacers ECF. I just love watching that series

  • @xwers1234
    @xwers1234 3 роки тому +57

    The Houston of the east

  • @matthewdutchess
    @matthewdutchess 3 роки тому +2

    Wow. Really well made video. Just thinking back to those days when we were competitors makes me both happy and sad. I hope we can do something as groundbreaking here soon as we did then.

  • @tylorperagine5356
    @tylorperagine5356 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you for this one that was like a quick throwback to a better time in life🙏🏼

  • @MazeDaGr8
    @MazeDaGr8 3 роки тому +9

    The Knicks and The Pacers have similar collapses. Both were Amazing Teams with great players in the 80s & 90s and at the turn of 200s both started to fall off and ultimately by the 2010 both settled into the Realms of Mediocrity & Underachieving

  • @danvera7672
    @danvera7672 3 роки тому +4

    Crazy that you guys keep coming up with videos even during covid. Hope you guys are taking care of yourselves

  • @jarvis1322
    @jarvis1322 3 роки тому +9

    Great video, for a future collapse I would suggest the 1999/2000 Blazers and the 2003/04 Pacers. The first one because it is interesting that a group that pushed the Lakers to seven games in the conference finals never got passed the first round again. The second one because I believe it would be very interesting to analyse how the team fell of after the malice at the Palace and failed to build a contender for a long time.

  • @twown
    @twown 3 роки тому

    Very well-written episode. Love the music during the middle section. Keep raising the bar.

  • @darrylmata4025
    @darrylmata4025 3 роки тому +60

    Roy Hibbert really became a bum after beating the Knicks in the playoffs.

    • @broaddusmarines
      @broaddusmarines 3 роки тому +22

      The league changed and became a more perimeter league. The back to the basket center became a relic before our very eyes.
      That’s pretty much what ended Roy Hibbert’s NBA career.

    • @Nilsbigchills
      @Nilsbigchills 3 роки тому +9

      He blocked the hell out of melo in that series tho haha

    • @jivederpy2304
      @jivederpy2304 3 роки тому +2

      He was always a bum. Fake ass tough guy and supposed defensive anchor. It was hilarious to see this guy try to “bully” opponents.

    • @Nilsbigchills
      @Nilsbigchills 3 роки тому +1

      @@jivederpy2304 he was not always a bum. He fell off HARD though

    • @JayTeddy1
      @JayTeddy1 3 роки тому +3

      @@jivederpy2304 Hibs was a top 5 center for 3 good years. Led the league in blocks a few times. He was an all-star for a reason.

  • @sinjinamianda-cook8299
    @sinjinamianda-cook8299 3 роки тому +9

    Giambi no-slide rewinder please. I am begging you, I am an A's fan but it definitely deserves a deep rewind.

  • @johnnystevenson8708
    @johnnystevenson8708 3 роки тому

    Please release more of these I literally could listen to your voice all day

  • @markcrandley8061
    @markcrandley8061 2 роки тому +2

    Great video. I think you let Paul off the hook about for his departure, but all in all a fair (and painful) summary.

  • @jminer6529
    @jminer6529 3 роки тому +36

    I Miss this pacer team! But Go Pacers!

  • @oscarr_1455
    @oscarr_1455 3 роки тому +24

    Seems like a couple weak Egos were this teams downfall

    • @dusk6159
      @dusk6159 3 роки тому +2

      Especially if your most deadly and bigger ego is someone like PG (so one of the worst and biggest ones league-wide), and as your supposed leader too (and with no Granger too).
      It's just fatal, no chance, it was all ready to fall, especially if you stack facing Lebron James on top.

  • @faceless-x-abberation8400
    @faceless-x-abberation8400 3 роки тому

    I wish this guy would make more videos about past Pacers teams! Very good video!

  • @LukeClifo
    @LukeClifo 2 роки тому

    I'm binging all of these again, love them so much. 🎞🍿

  • @maximefontaine7891
    @maximefontaine7891 3 роки тому +43

    No mention of Luis Scola, one of the smartest and most altruist players of this roster? :(

    • @hoosier3060
      @hoosier3060 3 роки тому +20

      Maxime Fontaine we just completely stopped using him. Luis was great from mid and was great with getting to the basket. Vogel did not use him well.

    • @maximefontaine7891
      @maximefontaine7891 3 роки тому +5

      @@hoosier3060 I completely agree. I meant one of the factors was Scola being poorly used and then traded. ;)

    • @elistewart3170
      @elistewart3170 3 роки тому +2

      @@hoosier3060 Yeah that was one of the few smart free agent signings that was completely squandered.

  • @avtic1
    @avtic1 3 роки тому +12

    Sunday morning, coffee in hand and Seth narrating Collapse, perfect!

  • @k7247
    @k7247 3 роки тому

    This was so good. Top 5 favourite channel on UA-cam for me.

  • @XDunlop
    @XDunlop 3 роки тому

    A Pacers video. Love seeing them get some love. Since I've been a fan, Pacers have had to go up against Jordan/Pippen's Bulls, Lebron and the Cavs and then Miami's Big 3. Hoping '20/'21 brings something good. Great video👍🎄

    • @thebigchap101
      @thebigchap101 2 роки тому

      And the Nets and Pistons in the early 2000's.

  • @pauljansen1137
    @pauljansen1137 3 роки тому +9

    I miss the days of Rik Smits making it to the All Star Game😄!!

  • @OneStarRating
    @OneStarRating 3 роки тому +132

    I believe this team would have won a championship if Danny Granger stayed healthy.

    • @jesserice7777
      @jesserice7777 3 роки тому +13

      Or, at least, a Finals appearance. 🤷🏽‍♂️

    • @hennylo68
      @hennylo68 3 роки тому +10

      Yeah I agree. They needed more offensive help for George.

    • @LakeManship
      @LakeManship 3 роки тому +7

      bro they wouldn’t have even needed PG if Danny was 100% his whole career. all you need is danny at 65% for these years and they go all the way

    • @stalebread5887
      @stalebread5887 3 роки тому +3

      @@LakeManship disagree. They needed both. Granger was a better offensive weapon and George was a better defender.

    • @hoosier3060
      @hoosier3060 3 роки тому +1

      Kam Cripe Danny was a beast with today’s nba. We played a similar style back in the mid aughts and he averaged 25 a game

  • @noahyork1113
    @noahyork1113 3 роки тому

    Love these videos

  • @dr2001dre123
    @dr2001dre123 3 роки тому

    Love these videos :)

  • @thegame5687
    @thegame5687 3 роки тому +29

    "They were swept easily."
    Meanwhile all games were decided by less than 7 points.

    • @hoosier3060
      @hoosier3060 3 роки тому

      GH07 KILLER thank you! Didn’t get enough credit, that statistic

    • @clytnjms
      @clytnjms 3 роки тому

      They were up huge in game 3 and had a lead in the final minute of game one and maybe game 2 i cant remember. I do remember we were blowing them out game 3 at halftime then Cleveland went on a crazy run and ended up winning by close to 10 i want to say

    • @bliks8034
      @bliks8034 3 роки тому +1

      @@clytnjms and lost😂

  • @anlbicer7775
    @anlbicer7775 3 роки тому +4

    It's always the last sentences about the teams that gets to me. Love this series

  • @smashkart7129
    @smashkart7129 3 роки тому

    I’ve been waiting for this vid for so long

  • @joshuaallen8612
    @joshuaallen8612 3 роки тому

    man, that Pacers starting 5 was A tier, to say the least. great video SB!

  • @naptownmenace
    @naptownmenace 3 роки тому +4

    Great video! Please do a rewind covering how the Pacers have had 4 Most Improved Players in-a-row all go down with devastating season ending injuries. I don't think any other team in the NBA has ever dealt with that. Jermaine O'Neal, Danny Granger, Paul George, and Victor Oladipo.

    • @spitgiezer
      @spitgiezer Рік тому

      don't forget the malice at the palace, another Pacer's championship calliber team collapse. The basketball gods hates this franchise

    • @Ld123David
      @Ld123David Рік тому

      Don’t tell, them what to do 😑

  • @bilalabbasi8445
    @bilalabbasi8445 3 роки тому +10

    can you guys do a lob city collapse? Gonna hurt as a fan but it would be a great vid

  • @trythebuffer
    @trythebuffer 3 роки тому

    My dad and I were in a Barbershop chorus in Indianapolis in 2012 and 2013. He was in it for years prior to that. We sang the national anthem for some regular season and playoff games. This was the team that made me love basketball

  • @Nick-ty3dg
    @Nick-ty3dg 3 роки тому

    These videos are great!

  • @PuchuKt
    @PuchuKt 3 роки тому +25

    sabonis, oladipo, and darren collison for paul george (who was definetly gonna bounce)? that's a really good trade

    • @winter9242
      @winter9242 3 роки тому +1

      At the time it wasnt a fair deal on hindsight it's pretty much equal value

    • @tidigimon
      @tidigimon 3 роки тому

      @@winter9242 you’re nuts. If Paul George convincingly told the media tomorrow that he’d like to return to Indiana, Sabonis and Oladipo would be on the trading block without a doubt.

    • @winter9242
      @winter9242 3 роки тому

      @@tidigimon wtf are you talking about? I said back then it wasn't seen as equal value since pacers didn't receive a fair deal for pg but on hindsight it was on equal value

    • @sleepy4325
      @sleepy4325 2 роки тому

      Oladipo was super underrated. One of the best IU players of all time.

  • @raphael8006
    @raphael8006 3 роки тому +3

    such a wonderful background soundtrack!

  • @asanitheafrofuturist
    @asanitheafrofuturist Рік тому

    Solid video only complaint is I wish you would have named the players that Larry Bird signed with their picture included. I was watching the Pacers pretty steadily back in those years and it even got difficult for me to keep up with all of the new players.
    You forgot to mention that the Heat and Pacers played in the conference semifinals a year before they played in the conference finals. The Pacers took a 2-1 lead in the series surprising everybody before the Heat won 4 games in a row. This series also really set the stage for that 2013 7 game series because you knew that the Pacers could go toe-to-toe with them in the playoffs based on that series. That 2012 semifinals and 2013 conference finals are classic series in my book!

  • @tennispie1
    @tennispie1 3 роки тому

    Dude this is an awesome vid. Very interesting!

  • @Brbos06
    @Brbos06 2 роки тому +6

    Love this doc, have you guys thought of doing one on the 90's Pacers? I think they were a way better team, just ran into Chicago and LA.

  • @nithilanamudhan6260
    @nithilanamudhan6260 3 роки тому +42

    I miss Indy Paul George. He was a beast and now he is the most overrated player right now.

    • @emmanuelleo4548
      @emmanuelleo4548 3 роки тому +16

      no hes not buddy. dude literally gets hated on by everyone and u have the audacity to call him overrated.

    • @maricusphillips1298
      @maricusphillips1298 3 роки тому +2

      @@emmanuelleo4548 He is overrated considering he never been to the finals

    • @emmanuelleo4548
      @emmanuelleo4548 3 роки тому +19

      @@maricusphillips1298 dude many players havent been to the finals what r u saying. does that mean lillard is overrated? or jokic? or giannis? or embiid?

    • @_1luljayyy
      @_1luljayyy 3 роки тому +1

      @@emmanuelleo4548 he is overrated
      Back then in 2014 you would be made fun of if you thought that but now he’s definitely overrated

    • @_1luljayyy
      @_1luljayyy 3 роки тому +1

      I wouldn’t say the most overrated player in the league but definitely one of them. It’s been like that since 2018. PG is a choke star artist coming in playoff time

  • @D71219ONE
    @D71219ONE 3 роки тому +1

    Why the heck am I watching this video? Every second rips my heart out...

  • @lordfarquad420
    @lordfarquad420 3 роки тому +1

    that 2014 pacers team always gave me hyped college basketball vibes they had such a defensive team especially when playing home court and their arena always looked so hype

  • @oooohclosed660
    @oooohclosed660 3 роки тому +24

    The rockets are on the verge of collapsing. U heard that here first.

    • @harrisonlee9585
      @harrisonlee9585 3 роки тому

      Couple that with JJ definitely getting traded in the off-season, and things here will get wild

    • @kmena05
      @kmena05 3 роки тому +1

      Houston has money to throw at some talent they offered Harden a 50 mil a year contract but he declined and that's a good thing the Rockets need to get rid of Harden he's trash.

  • @oliverdennis3115
    @oliverdennis3115 3 роки тому +50

    I love how overnight Roy Hibbert got SpaceJamed, and nobody has figured out why.

  • @abdallahabdallah616
    @abdallahabdallah616 3 роки тому

    Love ur videos

  • @elijah1110
    @elijah1110 3 роки тому

    Great production on this

  • @isaacwalker1931
    @isaacwalker1931 3 роки тому +66

    Back when Paul George wasn't cancer

    • @dontmindme5879
      @dontmindme5879 3 роки тому +5

      Eh....back when he wasnt full cancer. He was clearly a growing cancer cell.

    • @JoseRamirez-yh2ll
      @JoseRamirez-yh2ll 3 роки тому +2

      Paul George has always sucked. He plays okay defense and that's it. Offensively he can't score consistently dude is garbage as a star

    • @emmanuelleo4548
      @emmanuelleo4548 3 роки тому +17

      @@JoseRamirez-yh2ll yea u know nothing about basketball.

    • @isaacwalker1931
      @isaacwalker1931 3 роки тому +1

      @@JoseRamirez-yh2ll Nah, he was a consistent two way player who actually showed up in the playoffs, back in the early 2010's

    • @isaacwalker1931
      @isaacwalker1931 3 роки тому

      @@dontmindme5879 😂

  • @peytoncatalano1536
    @peytoncatalano1536 3 роки тому +6

    Look into doing the Colts, they went from AFCC to bottoming out into the 3rd worse record thanks to trades, drafts, and injuries

    • @zachhoward9099
      @zachhoward9099 6 місяців тому

      Last few years have been pretty shitty to be an Indy sports fan

  • @youareloved613
    @youareloved613 2 роки тому

    Good video!!

  • @DJ-sr4kk
    @DJ-sr4kk 3 роки тому

    Favorite Series On This Channel

  • @werdnay9136
    @werdnay9136 3 роки тому +13

    Do the 2011-2012 NJ Devils Please! Lost in the cup finals to the Kings and then lost Parise, Kovalchuk, Brodeur, and went on to collapse making 1 playoff win in 8 years!

    • @Maxmillianr1
      @Maxmillianr1 2 роки тому +2

      As a kid from Jersey, that collapse hurts to this day

  • @albertsoliman1772
    @albertsoliman1772 3 роки тому +3

    I remember that, The Pacers & Heat is one the of best rivalries in the NBA Playoffs.

  • @nbapbaupdate8338
    @nbapbaupdate8338 2 роки тому +1

    Still watching 💪💪💪 April 8, 2022

  • @ScrapTime012
    @ScrapTime012 3 роки тому

    Listened to this dude voice alot during summer months of quarantine

  • @charlieboy3321
    @charlieboy3321 3 роки тому +3

    Please do the 2017 Sacksonville Jaguars Collapse. Thank you.

  • @2kmichaeljordan438
    @2kmichaeljordan438 3 роки тому +67

    That injury would make something beautiful, and godlike
    Way off P

    • @OneStarRating
      @OneStarRating 3 роки тому +6

      Now we have Pandemic P. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

    • @kd-oo9in
      @kd-oo9in 3 роки тому +1

      lol

    • @rcfresh4345
      @rcfresh4345 3 роки тому +2

      People forget how bad that injury was. Then when Bird insisted on making PG a power forward it was over for him as a Pacer.

    • @rcfresh4345
      @rcfresh4345 3 роки тому +1

      @@OneStarRating it's not that bad. He's still an all star level player who just needs to show up more in the playoffs. He's now a few years removed from that injury so we might see an even better player. The Clippers obviously believe in him..PG got paid!

  • @itsmellslikeshitdontit3752
    @itsmellslikeshitdontit3752 5 місяців тому

    This was my team around that time. I met my wife. Great video. Those days were awesome.

  • @DaRealYungRay
    @DaRealYungRay 3 роки тому

    I was going to ask you guys to make this video but you just did luckily lol.