Exactly, and it wouldn't have even been borderline had they not had him batting lead off for four straight years, then had him batting 5th in the order for two years 90-91. Who puts their best batter 5th in the order? He would have had wayy more RBI's.
Oliver Solorzano Are you crazy? His Pittsburgh stats alone would never qualify him for the Hall of Fame. Why do people keep pushing this false narrative? Have you seen his Pittsburgh stats? His first four seasons in Pittsburgh the highest batting average was; .283. First 4 seasons best home run total was 25 in 1987. RBI? 59 RBI in 1987. None of his first 4 years in Pittsburgh qualify as Hall of Famer or even All-Star. His last 3 years in Pittsburgh were All-Star caliber and netted him 2 MVP. His Hall of Fame numbers came when he got to San Francisco. So, no. His totals in Pittsburgh are NOWHERE near Hall of Fame and would not put him in any kind of Hall of Fame.
@@hr1megthis is ridiculous 8 golden gloves, 7 sliver sluggers, and 2 MVPs isn’t enough? You realize 32 players in the history of the game have gotten 2 or more MVPs right or you just start picking up the game
Ever since they let the Astros keep their title in ‘17, why does it matter anymore if a player takes PED’s. If baseball couldn’t take that title down, then I don’t see a problem with steroids users being in the hall of fame. Baseball ruined the purity of this game. Bonds should be in.
This is a stupid comparison. The group of people who decide who gets into the hall of fame are not the same people who are letting the Astros keep their 2017 WS title. Rob Manfred isn't deciding who gets into the HOF, and the BBWAA weren't the ones who dished out the punishment for the Astros cheating.
Let's just remember that Bud Selig, who was the commissioner during the steroids era and celebrated a lot of these players, is in the Hall. There has to be a double standard. If he is in then those players should have some serious consideration. Not condoning what they did at all but I would like the committee to look at them holistically and not have such a bias.
You realize the commissioner who implemented the morality clause was directly responsible for excluding black players from MLB... with other players who have cheated already in the hall of fame.....
This is an example of "cancel culture". Judging someone's past by today's standards. These same writers voted to give bonds those 7 mvps and clemens his 7 cy young awards.
Steroids doesn’t affect technique, Bonds, Clements and Rose (although for betting) had technical abilities. Steroids is strength and stamina , did they really need that to win?
the hypocrisy of these can't hack it writers denying greats the hall of fame, when they celebrated Bud Selig's induction. The Hall of Fame just like much of the game is so out of touch with the modern world. It makes me sick.
@@alohasnackbar5619 I’ll check that. If he really said that; then F Hank Henry Aaron…. of my ATL. F him for not understanding LIFE; and how it changes. The GAME is all important, but never 👎 more so than LIFE itself. 😇😇🤭🤫😞😒😔. I stand by my words. FIRM 😟🧐
It’s important to note 📝 they got it right. ESPN’s list of Top 🔝 100 💯 MLB Players Clemens is there listed as the 17th best ALL TIME! Bonds is #8. And in fairness to Hank, he sits at #3 ALL TIME!!!! With the King 🤴 👑 of swat THE BABE at #1 where he belongs above 👆 MJ, Joe cool 😎 and Tom Brady for his documented cheating as well. 👼☝️
So, unless you agree with the voter's politics, you don't get in...RIIIIGHT the argument against Schilling is precisely that, ...saying otherwise shows arrogance, sanctimony and self-righteousness...and therefore not worthy of voting on
@@xcwilliams7980 because many of them have publicly said so, using the " character " clause as cover....Schilling has done nothing that can even be close to bring questions of character into play, save his political opinions
I’m sick of these writers thinking they’re better than players they shouldn’t even be able to vote them in! It should be Hall of players & Hall of Fame coaches who vote people in not these dweebs!
@@frankderudder7290 Many if not most players of that era were juiced. MLB looked the other way because home run hitters were putting fans in the seats.
@@TheBatugan77 if Alan Tramell can get in who wasn’t even close to being the best player at his position. When he played. Dale Murphy won back to back NL mvps & literally carried a awful team for years. I understand the argument for Pete Rose on both sides.
@@TheBatugan77 yes they should I understand Pete did wrong I’m a reds fan too but they’re people who literally killed someone who is in the hall of fame
Bonds was a all time great before steroids. I would vote “skinny” Bonds in the Hall. I would also want to see Rose and Shoeless Joe be added to the Hall
They both cheated their asses off, but there’s no way in hell you can keep either Bonds or Clemens off the list!!! If you just take Bonds career from 86-98 (prior to steroids) he’s a first ballot Hall of Famer, just ask Bill James!! I despise them both, but give me a break, they both deserve to get in!
Why is bud selig in the hall of fame if he allowed all of this? All these owners from that era are glorified and they allowed it and encouraged it as well. And now the players pay the price when they saved the game after executives ruined it. Put Barry in, put Roger in.
As far in the records book, Bonds is the homerun leader. Some people will say Babe Ruth will always be the homerun king (people thought of that decades after Hank Aaron broke the career record).
@@waynej2608 Lets just not count any records before 1947. Let's say they all cheated by forcefully fighting against integration. There is no "clean" era of baseball I'm sorry, people need to drop the idea of it.
@@jordanking6939 When first being traded to the Yankees, Babe Ruth played 4 seasons in the polo grounds. At that time (according to baseball almanac) the left field wall was 279 feet while the right field wall was 257 feet. That's a routine fly ball in today's game. It's also very significant because he was a left handed primarily pull hitter and would have the 257 foot fence advantage. During those years (3 of the 4) the center field fence was 433 feet, not the 505 feet people think of when they think of center field at the polo grounds. I could go into a lot more depth on this all, but I'll leave it with this. In his lone year where he played the full season with the fences in/shallow he hit 59 home runs. When they moved center field fence back just 2 years later in his next full season he hit 41 despite playing in the same exact number of games. In the end I believe Aaron did it in a tougher era with better pitching and bigger fields.
@Chad Miyamoto you are exactly right. If he didn’t take steroids he would have probably been a top ten hitter in the mlb history. But when he took steroids he also increased his average 17 points and his ops sky rocketed to inhuman categories.
@@Ballhawk-bi6ly Yet almost everyone around baseball has said that he would've been a HOFer regardless. This is a silly at this point. He and Clemems deserves to be in.
@@mcdonoghrahloh459 Why do you think he was getting so many more walks and intentional walks? These two things aren't separate. His use of steroids made him hit more home runs which made pitchers pitch around him more and intentionally walk him more.
If the Baseball hall of fame has players like Mike Mussina and Jeff Bagwell in it, but not Arod or Barry Bonds (or Pete Rose for other reasons) then I'm never spending my money to visit the hall of fame. XD
I understand why Clemens and Bonds aren't in, but how the hell is Schilling not in? What does his off-the-field beliefs have anything to do with his playing career? You may not agree with his comments or beliefs, but you absolutely need to acknowledge the fact that he's one of the best postseason and big-game pitchers EVER.
Schilling's case is more than that; Most Hall of Famers and baseball players hold similar beliefs as Schilling. The truth is that he was a bit more of an outspoken jerk during his career and burned lots of bridges, and his numbers weren't stellar enough to make up for it. He'll likely get in anyway next year Larry Walker-style, and personally I think that's offensive to Larry- who was a great role model/guy and an exceptional player.
@@Airplane299 if mussina is in, then schilling should be in as well. schilling has 200 wins, a sub 3.50 ERA, a 1.1 WHIP, a 3.20 FIP, oh AND 3,000 strikeouts. his stats and accomplishments more than make up for the political comments or whatever he said these last few years. i didn't even mention his postseason accolades either. it just seems like the goal posts keep getting shifted on who gets in and who doesn't. now they're not voting guys in who pissed people off and made some remarks 10+ years after they retired? comeon. and to make it even more ridiculous, the astros scandal SHOULD HAVE set a new precedent when it comes to how the league ultimately views and enforces cheating that has a chance to effect the game. what they did in terms of cheating and actually affecting the game is much worse than trying to decipher what stats and accomplishments bonds would have and wouldn't have without steroids. same for clemens. the commissioner decided the astros get to keep their championship, to me that means the gates should open now and guys like bonds, clemens, sosa, mcgwire etc. should all be inducted. just my opinion. if they removed the astros' title at least the league would have an argument that they have a zero tolerance policy when it comes to cheating.
it's not a black and white issue. being a conservative is fine. acting the way schilling does has nothing to do with being a conservative. he's a piece of shit, politics aside, he just blames politics on the way he is treated
nope.....everybody keep saying "well, both of 'em qualified for Cooperstown, BEFORE PEDs became illegal in the game. Really?...PEDs are not just comprised of the sort of enhancers that help you gain weight. So, as far as Im concerned, they could have very well been using some type of 'performance enhancer' before they weren't allowed in the game. Willie Mays has admitted to using "greenies', Should he be penalized in some way for using them back in the day?...nope. But its because of guys like him, that discourage me from giving Bonds/Clemens, a pass.
If you want an asterisk...put it on the RECORDS. NOT on entry into the Hall. None of the folks can even slightly say Bonds wasnt good enough apart from the assumed steroid usage. Would he only have 700 homers? 300 less RBIs? take even MORE away from his totals and you still have an undeniably worthy candidate.
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@@the_console-girl-9778 it's a popularity contest with woke baseball writers. Bonds hated the media after they mistreated his Dad. Hes the Home run king. That is a fact Steroids don't make you a Hall of famer..Rosenthal is woke!!
@@the_console-girl-9778 Yeah, I agree with this as well. Bonds and Clemens won't get in due to drugs. Curt on the other hand, will not get in due to politics. That's the "woke" the guy was referring to above.
Bonds and Clemens should have been voted in the first year of eligibility. This is nonsense. Sportswriters actually get to vote who gets in. That is a problem that needs to be fixed. Bonds and Clemens went out and performed at the highest level against the best in the world, and some sportswriters get to decide if they are hall of farmers? Something is wrong with the system.
agree.. anyone who seen him play on the Pirates and his first three years on Giants.. He was already Hall of Fame before the steriods. Also everyone was doing it too.
@@AROD617. the best comparison to early Bonds is Mike Trout. won 3 MVPs when he was young, a 5 tool player with Gold Glove defense, insane base running, elite power, and consistently high OPS. we all can agree Mike Trout is a HoFer, so why isnt Bonds?
Need a non coastal Hall of Fame. You know, one where normal people, not woke coastal biased self proclaimed elites are the voters. 99% of baseball fans could care less about the distorted sensibilities of the current voters.
Curt Schilling saying that his politics is what cost him hall of fame is a gross lack of self-awareness. I'm certain a lot of ballplayers agree with his politics, and they would get in. He has made a ridiculous amount of public, controversial, and outright offensive statements. Long story short, his mouth and his fingers got him in trouble, not his brain or his heart.
Steroids does not improve your judgement or hand eye coordination. If anything bulking up would make it worse and harder to manage all the extra muscle. How do you feel when you are over weight vs. lean and healthy. Just ask any actor that puts on weight to play a role in a movie.
I support that each writer votes the way they want. But at least Frick'n Vote. I only ask that at least the top guy get elected. At least 1 each year. Other than that, my opinions (only my opinion) as a humble fan is 1: Bonds and Clemens should not get in, in this way. If Mac and Palmeiro (stat-wise locks) can't, then these guys shouldn't get in just for cheating better/more/longer/later. They and many of the other "suspects" should be put to a committee years from now. Maybe 10 or 20 years. 2: Pete should get in soon. Can enough of baseball forgive him before he dies? (How long until Houston is forgiven?) Fundamentally, I'll accept it either way. 3: Shoeless Joe, he's already dead. It keeps people talking. They'll never let him in. 4: Shilling, I personally don't know how despicable he really is, but stat wise, he's a lock. Shoulda been elected already! 5: In fact many of these guys shoulda been elected already, as well. The veterans committee should elect at least one guy each year. This would go along way towards restoring the image of the HoF. I love baseball. Stats and stories, and you can't tell either without the other. No one and everyone is ever wrong in "Who is the best?" Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth, Rogers Hornsby, Ted Williams ! Who would you rather have up, bottom of the ninth? Depending on what the HoF is trying to be , you gotta ask yourself, "Can you tell the story of baseball without this guy?" Thank you for reading this, have a great day.
I still believe in the end, those two should be in, together. That one person not voting for Bonds, don't know their problem. Happy that Schilling is out.
Not to worry. There's the Oldtime Committee. The New ERA committee. The baby-boomers committee. The woke committee. The sleep committee. The Committee committee. And the itty-bitty-titty-committee.
Barry Bonds and Clemens will never be HOF. Bonds had hostile attitude problems to his teammates that include altercation with Kent, which he never apologized, and Dusty Baker favortized to Bonds. How some of his teammates feel? Clemens he never apologize to Piazza for threw bat incident. Overall both Bonds and Clemens no HOF.
Put Barry Bonds in the Hall of fame or I will cry.
I can't go to the fucking hall of fame and see the name Jeff Bagwell snd not Barry Bonds...how can you even call it a hall of fame
@@MarkSmithhhh I still don’t get it, he wasn’t a hall of famer without steroids.
@@tylaboi8570 What? he most certainly was without them.
Here's a Kleenex.
@@robertanderson2898 HE'S A DOPER.....Bonds doesn't deserve the HOF.
Barry Bonds’s Pittsburgh career ALONE is borderline hall of fame worthy.
Exactly, and it wouldn't have even been borderline had they not had him batting lead off for four straight years, then had him batting 5th in the order for two years 90-91. Who puts their best batter 5th in the order? He would have had wayy more RBI's.
Oliver Solorzano Are you crazy? His Pittsburgh stats alone would never qualify him for the Hall of Fame. Why do people keep pushing this false narrative? Have you seen his Pittsburgh stats? His first four seasons in Pittsburgh the highest batting average was; .283. First 4 seasons best home run total was 25 in 1987. RBI? 59 RBI in 1987. None of his first 4 years in Pittsburgh qualify as Hall of Famer or even All-Star. His last 3 years in Pittsburgh were All-Star caliber and netted him 2 MVP. His Hall of Fame numbers came when he got to San Francisco. So, no. His totals in Pittsburgh are NOWHERE near Hall of Fame and would not put him in any kind of Hall of Fame.
@@hr1megthis is ridiculous 8 golden gloves, 7 sliver sluggers, and 2 MVPs isn’t enough? You realize 32 players in the history of the game have gotten 2 or more MVPs right or you just start picking up the game
@@flame-sky7148 Ricky Henderson, Mookie Betts?
Ever since they let the Astros keep their title in ‘17, why does it matter anymore if a player takes PED’s. If baseball couldn’t take that title down, then I don’t see a problem with steroids users being in the hall of fame. Baseball ruined the purity of this game. Bonds should be in.
Get off the Astos
@@brianlohse7672 L
This is a stupid comparison. The group of people who decide who gets into the hall of fame are not the same people who are letting the Astros keep their 2017 WS title. Rob Manfred isn't deciding who gets into the HOF, and the BBWAA weren't the ones who dished out the punishment for the Astros cheating.
@@Dinobot2 stupid comment not realizing that F yes they are related!!! Must think 🤔 though 💭 🧐 👏
@@markcole8887 Please explain to me how they are related.
As much as i dislike Clemens, he should go in, and Bonds deserves his own wing
Then get Pete Rose in......all of them are cheaters. No to Bonds; No to Clemons; No to the "Doping Generation".
@@jds6206 Just wow 😯 ….😮👎😳😱🤯 🤦♂️
Barry bonds deserves his own wing of the building ..
pete rose deserves his day if bonds and clemens get in
Pete Rose deserves his day, even if those two don't get in.
PETE OVER BONDS AND CLEMENS. Pete Rose is a great guy, met him many times and he is a super nice guy.
No.He bet on his team.And I'm a BRM fan.
@@mcdonoghrahloh459 do you think he threw a game?
@@christopleefulp5256 He didn't have to,if he used a pitcher on short rest or pinch run or hit a player to win on a game he bet on, that's shady
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Let's just remember that Bud Selig, who was the commissioner during the steroids era and celebrated a lot of these players, is in the Hall. There has to be a double standard. If he is in then those players should have some serious consideration. Not condoning what they did at all but I would like the committee to look at them holistically and not have such a bias.
Bud Selig should NOT be in. He's part of the problem...
Just want to take the time to say Pete Rose is still not in the Hof🤦🏾♂️
Exactly. He deserves it more than anyone
100%
He bet on baseball and lied about it. Also Bonds and Clemens should never get in as well.
A national tragedy
@@MaryseIsMyIdol bonds is the only member of the 400/400 and 500/500 club and he did all that before steroids but ok
This is honestly disrespectful that we even have to ask this question every year
It goes against reason not to have Baseball’s Hr king,it’s Hit King, and the pitcher with the most Cy Young’s in history not in its HOF..I mean wtf?
They cheated….
You realize the commissioner who implemented the morality clause was directly responsible for excluding black players from MLB... with other players who have cheated already in the hall of fame.....
Great comment 😊
This is an example of "cancel culture". Judging someone's past by today's standards. These same writers voted to give bonds those 7 mvps and clemens his 7 cy young awards.
Tell that to people against PETE ROSE 🙄
Nope most of us agree that we will keep Clemens out to keep Bonds out.
@@obnoxious3388 Barry bonds is the goat lol
It’s funny how the writers like to talk about steroids now but they all made a lot of money and career from the era.
Yup baseball was definitely more exciting during that era
Steroids doesn’t affect technique, Bonds, Clements and Rose (although for betting) had technical abilities. Steroids is strength and stamina , did they really need that to win?
exactly. it doesn't matter if you're a body builder, you're not batting .300 in the majors
the hypocrisy of these can't hack it writers denying greats the hall of fame, when they celebrated Bud Selig's induction. The Hall of Fame just like much of the game is so out of touch with the modern world. It makes me sick.
Dude really used Hank Aaron's death as a point against Bonds making the hall? Thats really a low blow. Especially since Hank loved Barry.
I was thinking the same thing. A week ago I watched a clip and Aaron called Bonds the home run king.
Barry is a doper....he cheated the game.
Um hank said theres no place in the hall for cheaters like bonds and clemens.........................
@@alohasnackbar5619 I’ll check that. If he really said that; then F Hank Henry Aaron…. of my ATL. F him for not understanding LIFE; and how it changes. The GAME is all important, but never 👎 more so than LIFE itself. 😇😇🤭🤫😞😒😔. I stand by my words. FIRM 😟🧐
It’s important to note 📝 they got it right. ESPN’s list of Top 🔝 100 💯 MLB Players Clemens is there listed as the 17th best ALL TIME! Bonds is #8. And in fairness to Hank, he sits at #3 ALL TIME!!!! With the King 🤴 👑 of swat THE BABE at #1 where he belongs above 👆 MJ, Joe cool 😎 and Tom Brady for his documented cheating as well. 👼☝️
The baseball HOF is a mockery without Barry Bonds in it.
So, unless you agree with the voter's politics, you don't get in...RIIIIGHT the argument against Schilling is precisely that, ...saying otherwise shows arrogance, sanctimony and self-righteousness...and therefore not worthy of voting on
Why would you think a large percentage of the voters disagree with Schilling's politics?
@@xcwilliams7980 because many of them have publicly said so, using the " character " clause as cover....Schilling has done nothing that can even be close to bring questions of character into play, save his political opinions
I’m sick of these writers thinking they’re better than players they shouldn’t even be able to vote them in!
It should be Hall of players & Hall of Fame coaches who vote people in not these dweebs!
Facts
Bonds and Clemens dominated in their playing days. They both deserve to be in the HOF.
They are cheaters
Of course they dominated they were cheating bonds and clemens should never b allowed in the hall of fame!
@@frankderudder7290 Many if not most players of that era were juiced. MLB looked the other way because home run hitters were putting fans in the seats.
@@tylerdell1878 So is creepy-Joe Biden, welcome to 2021.
Pete Rose Dale Murphy Fred Lynn Steve Garvey should be in already
No, no no and no already.
@@TheBatugan77 if Alan Tramell can get in who wasn’t even close to being the best player at his position. When he played.
Dale Murphy won back to back NL mvps & literally carried a awful team for years. I understand the argument for Pete Rose on both sides.
@@TheBatugan77 yes they should I understand Pete did wrong I’m a reds fan too but they’re people who literally killed someone who is in the hall of fame
I agree. Add Dave Parker to that list.
The players were using "speed" b4 steroids.
What was Bonds greatest record? Hard to choose, huh? Most intentional base on balls? HRs in a season....career?
2004 - more home runs (45) than strike outs (41)
@@benicia21 Wow 😮 very nice stat! 🤩
First Pete Rose belongs in the Hall and Roger definitely belongs in the hall and I believe Barry belongs also
They also compare bonds and Clemens because they were the only 2 who were hall of famers before using.
If those two get in, then Pete Rose should also be in.
Pete Rose should be in, period.
@@Dulcimerist absolutely.
Can't his eligibility is over.
@@mcdonoghrahloh459 Veterans Committee can elect him. ;)
@@Dulcimerist Isn't he barred from anything MLB?
Bonds was a all time great before steroids. I would vote “skinny” Bonds in the Hall. I would also want to see Rose and Shoeless Joe be added to the Hall
We're approaching the end, it's almost 2022. If Bonds doesn't get in, but the Astros are allowed to keep their trophy, Baseball has fucking failed.
💯💯 they should both 100% be in the Hall of Fame this year!!
Too many undeserving players in the watered down hall of fame..The hall of fame should be for legends, not very good players
They walked bonds with the based loaded cause that was the safer choice...yes he's a hofer
Now THIS I like!
They both cheated their asses off, but there’s no way in hell you can keep either Bonds or Clemens off the list!!! If you just take Bonds career from 86-98 (prior to steroids) he’s a first ballot Hall of Famer, just ask Bill James!! I despise them both, but give me a break, they both deserve to get in!
Bond...Barry Bond
Why is bud selig in the hall of fame if he allowed all of this? All these owners from that era are glorified and they allowed it and encouraged it as well. And now the players pay the price when they saved the game after executives ruined it. Put Barry in, put Roger in.
the fact that no one was elected into the Hall of Fame says a lot. get rid of these voters and get players voting
Baseball was saved by steroids. I don't condone steroids but, if it weren't for the 98 home run race, baseball might have died out.
They don’t get in - decisions have consequences. Thats important to teach the kids.
Very correct sir
@@kylevisbal9618 because I have a son that plays baseball competitively.
Meanwhile Astros keep their rings lol
They put players that took PEDs in but disrespect the greats
Hank Aaron will always be the home run king in my eyes
Barry Bonds is.
He played at Candlestick a much more pitcher friendly park.
As far in the records book, Bonds is the homerun leader. Some people will say Babe Ruth will always be the homerun king (people thought of that decades after Hank Aaron broke the career record).
@@jordanking6939 Well, that's just silly. I get not recognizing Bonds, but Aaron!?
@@waynej2608 Lets just not count any records before 1947. Let's say they all cheated by forcefully fighting against integration. There is no "clean" era of baseball I'm sorry, people need to drop the idea of it.
@@jordanking6939 When first being traded to the Yankees, Babe Ruth played 4 seasons in the polo grounds. At that time (according to baseball almanac) the left field wall was 279 feet while the right field wall was 257 feet. That's a routine fly ball in today's game. It's also very significant because he was a left handed primarily pull hitter and would have the 257 foot fence advantage. During those years (3 of the 4) the center field fence was 433 feet, not the 505 feet people think of when they think of center field at the polo grounds. I could go into a lot more depth on this all, but I'll leave it with this. In his lone year where he played the full season with the fences in/shallow he hit 59 home runs. When they moved center field fence back just 2 years later in his next full season he hit 41 despite playing in the same exact number of games. In the end I believe Aaron did it in a tougher era with better pitching and bigger fields.
Barry Bonds went from 15.3 home run’s per at bats from 88 to 97. Then he went from 9.7 home runs per bats from 98 to the end of his career
Um...so what?
@Chad Miyamoto you are exactly right. If he didn’t take steroids he would have probably been a top ten hitter in the mlb history. But when he took steroids he also increased his average 17 points and his ops sky rocketed to inhuman categories.
@@Ballhawk-bi6ly Yet almost everyone around baseball has said that he would've been a HOFer regardless. This is a silly at this point. He and Clemems deserves to be in.
@@Ballhawk-bi6ly The walks and int walks easily even that ratio
@@mcdonoghrahloh459 Why do you think he was getting so many more walks and intentional walks? These two things aren't separate. His use of steroids made him hit more home runs which made pitchers pitch around him more and intentionally walk him more.
If the Baseball hall of fame has players like Mike Mussina and Jeff Bagwell in it, but not Arod or Barry Bonds (or Pete Rose for other reasons) then I'm never spending my money to visit the hall of fame. XD
They both and Pete rose should be in the hall of fame
And Shoeless Joe Jackson. He had nothing to do with the 1919 scandal, he was just there to play baseball
Roger Clemens never I want everyone to read this he never ever failed a drug test never
Steriods saved Baseball....
That's true.
I understand why Clemens and Bonds aren't in, but how the hell is Schilling not in? What does his off-the-field beliefs have anything to do with his playing career? You may not agree with his comments or beliefs, but you absolutely need to acknowledge the fact that he's one of the best postseason and big-game pitchers EVER.
Schilling's case is more than that; Most Hall of Famers and baseball players hold similar beliefs as Schilling. The truth is that he was a bit more of an outspoken jerk during his career and burned lots of bridges, and his numbers weren't stellar enough to make up for it. He'll likely get in anyway next year Larry Walker-style, and personally I think that's offensive to Larry- who was a great role model/guy and an exceptional player.
@@Airplane299 if mussina is in, then schilling should be in as well. schilling has 200 wins, a sub 3.50 ERA, a 1.1 WHIP, a 3.20 FIP, oh AND 3,000 strikeouts. his stats and accomplishments more than make up for the political comments or whatever he said these last few years. i didn't even mention his postseason accolades either.
it just seems like the goal posts keep getting shifted on who gets in and who doesn't. now they're not voting guys in who pissed people off and made some remarks 10+ years after they retired? comeon.
and to make it even more ridiculous, the astros scandal SHOULD HAVE set a new precedent when it comes to how the league ultimately views and enforces cheating that has a chance to effect the game. what they did in terms of cheating and actually affecting the game is much worse than trying to decipher what stats and accomplishments bonds would have and wouldn't have without steroids. same for clemens.
the commissioner decided the astros get to keep their championship, to me that means the gates should open now and guys like bonds, clemens, sosa, mcgwire etc. should all be inducted. just my opinion. if they removed the astros' title at least the league would have an argument that they have a zero tolerance policy when it comes to cheating.
Barry is so obvious its a disgrace he's not in all ready the GREATEST player of all time
Barry's a cheater....a DOPER.....A DOPING CHEATER.
So being a conservative is "repugnant"..........
I carry. I call it repellant.
Only the fascist type turns voters away.
*conservative with fascist opinions
Stop playing the victim card, they're not talking about all conservatives.
it's not a black and white issue. being a conservative is fine. acting the way schilling does has nothing to do with being a conservative. he's a piece of shit, politics aside, he just blames politics on the way he is treated
Add a trailer to Cooperstown and call it Hall of Shame! “Only the Shameful belong”!
nope.....everybody keep saying "well, both of 'em qualified for Cooperstown, BEFORE PEDs became illegal in the game. Really?...PEDs are not just comprised of the sort of enhancers that help you gain weight. So, as far as Im concerned, they could have very well been using some type of 'performance enhancer' before they weren't allowed in the game. Willie Mays has admitted to using "greenies', Should he be penalized in some way for using them back in the day?...nope. But its because of guys like him, that discourage me from giving Bonds/Clemens, a pass.
Yes, Clemens should be in the HOH.
I've never seen these analysts before, but these white dudes look like brothers 🤔
If you want an asterisk...put it on the RECORDS. NOT on entry into the Hall. None of the folks can even slightly say Bonds wasnt good enough apart from the assumed steroid usage. Would he only have 700 homers? 300 less RBIs? take even MORE away from his totals and you still have an undeniably worthy candidate.
It’s embarrassing that people that never played at the level other then Harold Reynolds have no say in a decision
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remember when u couldn't watch highlights of the games cuz all they talked about was Barry bonds all day on espn
These voters are and have always been a joke!If you put these guys in you have to put in Pete.
Put both in
But they wont be. Both stayed at 61% this year, theres not enough new voters to get them there.
@@the_console-girl-9778 it's a popularity contest with woke baseball writers.
Bonds hated the media after they mistreated his Dad.
Hes the Home run king.
That is a fact
Steroids don't make you a Hall of famer..Rosenthal is woke!!
@@747heavyboeing3 Whatever the woke means, Bonds used steroids for around 11-12 seasons, too hard to know what he would have been without them.
@@the_console-girl-9778 Yeah, I agree with this as well. Bonds and Clemens won't get in due to drugs. Curt on the other hand, will not get in due to politics. That's the "woke" the guy was referring to above.
@@the_console-girl-9778 all speculation
Haters hate greatness
Bonds HOF 2022!!!! ⚾️ Clemens too!!!
Bonds and Clemens should have been voted in the first year of eligibility. This is nonsense. Sportswriters actually get to vote who gets in. That is a problem that needs to be fixed. Bonds and Clemens went out and performed at the highest level against the best in the world, and some sportswriters get to decide if they are hall of farmers? Something is wrong with the system.
Bonds should be in.the guy was insane without steroids, and is from the era where majority of players did them. he should be in
agree.. anyone who seen him play on the Pirates and his first three years on Giants.. He was already Hall of Fame before the steriods. Also everyone was doing it too.
@@AROD617. the best comparison to early Bonds is Mike Trout. won 3 MVPs when he was young, a 5 tool player with Gold Glove defense, insane base running, elite power, and consistently high OPS. we all can agree Mike Trout is a HoFer, so why isnt Bonds?
yep..that is a great comparison. Bonds was also a 40 40 man. Hopefully Trout can get to the World Series.
@@baileysmith4744 I also heard that Mike Trout is on HGH no one's ever mention it
@@dontrellmayfieldjr2868, he isnt. they drug test him regularly. they caught Cano on PEDs from a random test, and Trout gets them twice as much
Need a non coastal Hall of Fame. You know, one where normal people, not woke coastal biased self proclaimed elites are the voters. 99% of baseball fans could care less about the distorted sensibilities of the current voters.
Bond?
Bond
Bonds is the only member of the 500/500 club and the only member of the 400/400 club. All done before steroids, let him in or lose all credibility.
BULL you got Pete out for off field stuff and the fact he don't kids the commissioners back side.
Clemens was ripped off
FJB!!! Let's go Brandon!!!
Keep the politics out! Players should go to the hall of fame based on their on-field performance alone. Period.
All 3 get in next time
Never can be forgiven. Give them, along with Sosa and Mcgwire the lifetime ban from the Hall.
Bonds cheated, still the GOAT. Let him in
So called, woke experts.
No Bonds or Schilling?
Seriously.
Curt Schilling saying that his politics is what cost him hall of fame is a gross lack of self-awareness. I'm certain a lot of ballplayers agree with his politics, and they would get in. He has made a ridiculous amount of public, controversial, and outright offensive statements.
Long story short, his mouth and his fingers got him in trouble, not his brain or his heart.
Pete rose gets in if they get in.
if Barry bonds Curt schilling Roger Clemens or any of those guys do get in it'll be the biggest black stain on the Hall of Fame for baseball ever
Ridiculous to leave them out and put a cheater like David Ortiz in
yes
Steroids does not improve your judgement or hand eye coordination. If anything bulking up would make it worse and harder to manage all the extra muscle. How do you feel when you are over weight vs. lean and healthy. Just ask any actor that puts on weight to play a role in a movie.
bonds didn't test positive though.
If they put a nazi in the hall ima be real confused
You already are confused. You should be on a CNN thread.
These writers couldn’t shine bonds shoes ..
Send them in NOW!!! Stop being haters!!!
Are you crazy?
These guys saved your boring sports and made you hypocrite’s a lot of money!
A bunch of writers who couldn't hit a 80 MPH fastball, deciding the fate of real athletes.............the nerds getting revenge on the jocks.
This proves that The ⚾️ HOF balloting is "Woke as 💩"...F-ing sad...
Not fair ! They should Never get in.
I support that each writer votes the way they want. But at least Frick'n Vote. I only ask that at least the top guy get elected. At least 1 each year. Other than that, my opinions (only my opinion) as a humble fan is 1: Bonds and Clemens should not get in, in this way. If Mac and Palmeiro (stat-wise locks) can't, then these guys shouldn't get in just for cheating better/more/longer/later. They and many of the other "suspects" should be put to a committee years from now. Maybe 10 or 20 years. 2: Pete should get in soon. Can enough of baseball forgive him before he dies? (How long until Houston is forgiven?) Fundamentally, I'll accept it either way. 3: Shoeless Joe, he's already dead. It keeps people talking. They'll never let him in. 4: Shilling, I personally don't know how despicable he really is, but stat wise, he's a lock. Shoulda been elected already! 5: In fact many of these guys shoulda been elected already, as well. The veterans committee should elect at least one guy each year. This would go along way towards restoring the image of the HoF. I love baseball. Stats and stories, and you can't tell either without the other. No one and everyone is ever wrong in "Who is the best?" Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth, Rogers Hornsby, Ted Williams ! Who would you rather have up, bottom of the ninth? Depending on what the HoF is trying to be , you gotta ask yourself, "Can you tell the story of baseball without this guy?" Thank you for reading this, have a great day.
hell no... Baroid Bonds...
Bonds is a for sure HOFer
The sports world unites that Barry Bonds* won’t be in the HOF. 🙌🏾✊🏿
They both not getting in they know that
I still believe in the end, those two should be in, together. That one person not voting for Bonds, don't know their problem. Happy that Schilling is out.
Not to worry.
There's the Oldtime Committee.
The New ERA committee.
The baby-boomers committee.
The woke committee.
The sleep committee.
The Committee committee.
And the itty-bitty-titty-committee.
The fascist committee will let Schilling in.
You are on the wrong thread. You should be over on CNN.
@@TheUMIA
Maybe it's you who should be over on newsmax.
@@BeefPapa That could have been worst. You could have called me "racist" for not agreeing with your bs.
@@TheUMIA
*worse
@@BeefPapa Thanks, babe.
Barry Bonds and Clemens will never be HOF. Bonds had hostile attitude problems to his teammates that include altercation with Kent, which he never apologized, and Dusty Baker favortized to Bonds. How some of his teammates feel? Clemens he never apologize to Piazza for threw bat incident. Overall both Bonds and Clemens no HOF.
Baseball was ever clean!
Noooooo
First
Verducci is so corny it hurts.