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- After the MLB Hall of Fame didn't elect Barry Bonds or Roger Clemens this year, Mike Smith and Michael Holley discuss what it means leaving some of the best players out and only voting in David Ortiz. #NBCSports #BrotherFromAnother #BarryBonds
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The majority of the members of the Baseball Writers Association never even played little league baseball but they are seen fit to be judging men who love a sport and who dedicated their lives to baseball. Those writers that are on the HOF nomination committee owe their livelihood to those players. Why does a baseball writer feel that player are obligated to kiss their ass. The HOF committee members should have a term limit. That way new writers will know it's not a lifetime position and the fan's respect for the HOF might be restored.
There was lots of players that took steroids ( at a lesser degree/smaller amounts) back in the 60's, 70's, & 80's& 90's
Also coke speed and any other benefit not widely discussed
Baseball doesn't even realize they made Barry Bonds bigger than the whole Hall of Fame. Every year all the inductees or a afterthought cuz the convo will always be about the greatest player EVER not being in. Congratulations, u played yourself lol
EXACTLY 💯. I'm never watching that shit again.
ITS KARMA !!! BONDS BITCH ASS TREATED EVERYONE LIKE SHIT #GETWOKE
Best EVER. LMAO. OK……
Best ever!?!?!?! Better than Aaron, May's, Griffen Jr? You are bugging!!!
@@NunyaDamnBiz1984 Better look at the number's.
It is a no brainer barry bonds had a hall of fame career pre bulk up. I think he was just horrible to the writers and they feel complicit for some of them getting a come up off the hr chase.
WTH does that have to do with anything Here's a FACT if this was about only Roger Clemens they would've put him in these old white Neanderthal baseball writers hate that Barry bonds openly talked about smashing babe Ruth's records in the good old white boys just can't get over it so Roger Clemens is collateral damage but you can best believe if this was just Roger Clemens alone him and racist ass Curt schilling would be in the Hall of Fame
@@monochrome493 You're seeing a race issue where there is none. All 3 people you mentioned deserve to be in. Steroid rumors are the reason they weren't voted in although I disagree with it.
What about all the guys who took "greenies", or the guys throwing "spitballs" and "greaseballs", or all the other various forms of cheating throughout baseball history. Baseball is a tough sport, probably the toughest skill wise, so even if you're really good it can be a struggle. When fame, fortune and generational wealth are on the line people will do whatever it takes to succeed.
If I was to guess there is no one in the Hall that never broke a rule.
Hey greenies are what the corner store sell
. And they don't make you bigger . The writers can't keep them out , they'll serve a penance, but it's a shame they achieved their glory , rewards and new unrealistic records by cheating . And I believe not a majority but a minority of players were taking steroids
@@mariocisneros911 No greenies don't make you bigger they just give you the energy to play everyday. Steroids in no way helped anyone hit a baseball. Maybe helped them hit it further but not hit it pure enough to truly be drove. Look at McGwire his rookie year. He hit 49 and I swear he could have hid behind a telephone pole. Griffey Jr also was not really a big guy. Just packing on muscle does not make a power hitter. Oh and yes a minority of players were juicing but remember about half of those suspended (52%) were pitchers.
@@mariocisneros911 people take drugs because they work. They also sell inhalers are stores too and if you give it to a track runner they will run faster. Sounds like you don’t know how drugs works so you’re biased against one vs the other but athletes and doctors know steroids are not the most common cheating drug it’s everyday stuff you can find a grocery store. Go look up banned substances for the Olympics. Btw steroids were allowed in baseball when Barry played and he never failed a test.
Baseball and PEDs didn’t start in the 90’s. This is a quote from Tom House: “I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn’t give to horses. That was the ’60s, when nobody knew. The good thing is, we know now. There’s a lot more research and understanding.”
Greenies were eaten like candy by those guys, lol.
the BWAA shit themselves in the bed on this one. If you turned ALL of Bonds 762 HR's into outs Bonds would STILL have a higher OBP than Ortiz....
Ortiz =. 380
Bonds= .384
ITS KARMA !!! BONDS BITCH ASS TREATED EVERYONE LIKE SHIT #GETWOKE
he was intentionally walked a ridiculous amount of times out of fear of his ridiculous juiced up power. The steroids massively affected all his stats making them really pretty invalid looking. Even though he was an easy HOFer before using, this is what happens when you are most known for using literal performance enhancing drugs. To the point where the PED scandal is the first thing you think about with Bonds now. So everything he achieved will now never be treated as fully legitimate. His literal all time home run ball even has a literal asterisk on it. The guy who bought it for like a bajillion dollars literally stuck a giant golden asterisk on his own bajillion dollar record breaking HR ball in its museum display lmfao. That should tell you a lot about how the use of PEDs is viewed in MLB
Bonds wasn’t a nice guy, but he’s the best hitter of all time. If the voters are that butt hurt and biased then the hall of fame doesn’t mean shit
@@ExtraVictory That maybe true, but he never failed a test. Ortiz did. Steroids will not make your hand to eye coordination better..... So worse case scenario Bonds hits more doubles and singles rather than home runs, but still makes the hall. He is a hall of famer without the so called juicing numbers. 3 MVP's, 8 Golden Gloves, 7 Silver Slugger awards and a Rookie of the Year before the so called juicing era, and there are @ssholes, and juicers in the Hall. He's a hall of famer.
@@centinelyork Ortiz was officially declared innocent by the MLB and the investigation showed that he never failed a test after all, thats why he got in and the other users didn't. People dont seem to realize that, i guess because him "failing a test" was big news and then the retraction and correction by the league and investigation that he never actually failed a test wasn't big news lol but still. People should probably look into that, even many educated and hardcore fans seem not to know that Ortiz name was cleared later on lol.
But yeah of course i said myself bonds was a HOFer before using. That's not the point, if he had never used and just fell off after his prime was up we wouldn't even be talking about this because he would have been in ages ago. The point is, by choosing to use. Bonds invalidated pretty much everything he ever achieved . including the stuff from before he was juiced up. The way we can prove that is by looking at the fact that Bonds isn't most known for what he accomplished before using. He is far and away most known for being a steroid user and the face of the PED scandal. The PEDs are without a doubt the first thing you think about when you think of Bonds now. Especially because of this entire saga. And that's how it often is with these things in MLB. Pete Rose also arguably has a case to be considered the greatest player ever. Much like Bonds. But what's the first thing you think of when you think of Pete Rose lol. its sad but thats just how it works in baseball. And theyve obviously decided they dont want to put someone in if the first thing you think about with them is a giant scandal or them cheating the game. Also. i was born abroad in Japan, but im a New England sports fan, since that's where i live whenever im in the United States. And i can tell you right now the first thing i think of with David Ortiz is what he said after the boston Marathon bombing, "This is our city"
That really meant a lot to people, people rallied behind that and it had a huge positive effect helping pick the pieces back up after such a terrible tragic event. Maybe you dont feel that way about it, especially if you didn't know MLB cleared his name when It came to the steroid issue and you dont remember the marathon bombing that clearly or it just didn't affect you much being a fan of other teams from other cities. But "This is our city" is without a doubt what Ortiz is most known for and it was such a heroic thing to say and his participation and helping out after the tragedy was huge especially for someone who was adopted by Boston rather than born there or drafted there. the MLB writers are much more plugged in and so they obviously knew his name was cleared and they definitely observed the respect and love Boston Sports fans had for big papi and how his iconic statements and actions after the bombing helped the city recover. That statement simply was, well. Iconic. Much like Bonds with the PEDs except in an extremely positive way rather than an extremely negative one. Ortiz was also part of the historic moment of the breaking of "the curse of the great Bambino" which was a thing a lot of older Red Sox fans believed in and got a lot of media attention back in the day when i was a little kid. about how the Red Sox hadnt won a title in 86 years ever since trading away Babe Ruth. Even though ruth basically had all his greatest success in Boston as a two way player, and he basically turned into just a hitter soon after leaving. Which would be like if future goat Ohtani left the angels and started hitting only almost right away lol. And won multiple championships both places. But yet was still somehow more known for playing in the second place rather than the first despite his historic two way seasons lol. But still, Ortiz was also there for that historic legendary moment of breaking the 86 year championship drought by winning that world series ring. In fact Ortiz won multiple world series, hes a multiple time champion" all with the red sox. Wheras Barry Bonds doesnt have any rings. So winning a world series cant be one of things people think of first when it comes to Barry Bonds like with Big Papi's multiple titles. Ortiz is just an iconic boston Player heavily associated with the team and city and embraced and loved by it. Thats what people think of when they think David Ortiz. No matter where theyre from. As baseball writers that's what they're going to think. Another possibility is the way Ortiz almost literally died recently from being shot multiple times, in a random act of violence, but he was rushed into treatment and recovered in Boston and lived to see another day. So maybe at a stretch that could be the first thing someone thinks of with Ortiz. And with that maybe they feel spooked that Ortiz almost lost his life to something random like that, and want to make sure that such an iconic boston player lived to see his induction into cooperstown. Which he is definitely deserving of. So yeah lol, that's the difference i would say
You can take all the PEDs in the world and strike out every time you walk up to the plate you still need the talent and skill to do the things these guys did, they absolutely deserve to be in the Hall and anyone who says otherwise needs to wake up because there are plenty Hall of Famers who were taking/using things that would be considered peds or banned substances.
They fkd up their careers.And your a fool for making excuses for them
@@brucegelman5582 *you're
Which is why it's so sad he decided to enhance. He didn't need it.
Barry bonds never failed a test from the MLB.. David Ortiz did fail a test.. Let that sink in...
@@RastaDeezy11 lol because MLB waited so damn long the drugs were already out of his system; 3 years later in fact. Bonds failed multiple previous tests put forth by the UCLA Olympic association, as well as Balco and Quest Diagnostics
The baseball HOF is a mockery without Barry Bonds in it.
In my opinion Curt Schilling is the biggest snub on this list. Dude has the best Strike to Walk ratio Since the Live Ball Era began in the year of 1900. He is part of the first pitching duo to hit 300 strike outs in a season (2002). 6 time all star was an ACE of 3 world series teams 1993 Phil, 2001 Dbacks ,2004 BOS and contributing member of 4 world series teams 1993 Phil, 2001 Dbacks, 2004 and 2007 BOS. He posted 3 seasons of 300 plus strikeouts 1997, 1998 and 2002 with 2001 finishing with 293 and finishing his career was the 14th player to reach the 3000 strike out mark and 14th at the time on the all time strikeout list one behind Gibson. Curt placed in the top 5 for Cy young voting 5 times with 4 of them being 2nd place by the way to other Hall of Famers like Randy Johnson.
As stated in this video Schilling posted an 11-2 record with a 2.23 ERA in 19 post season starts. Between the 2001 and 2002 post seasons Schilling pitched to the tune 55.1 inings, 3 complete games and an ERA of 1.14 (Remember these are against the Cardinals for 3 starts, Braves for one start and the Yankees for 3 starts non are pushover teams, Yankees were the three time defending world champs. 2 of the complete games were one run pitching duels with Matt Morris where Schilling came out on top. Schilling would also share World Series MVP and Sports Illustrated player of the year honor with co ACE Randy Johnson in 2001. (If you are standing on the same stage as Randy Johonson doing anything...Hall of Fame just saying. I haven't even got to the bloody sock yet! I am getting there! In 1993 Schilling was named NCLS MVP despite not earning a win because both games Schilling pitched the lead was giving up by Mitch Williams the Phillies closer at the time. Thats how dominate he was in the post season.
Now Schilling started 5 post season win or go home games (Elimination). Schilling record in these make it or break it games is 4-0 with Schilling teams wining all 5. 1993 Game 5 against the defending World Series Blue Jays Schilling pitched a 147 pitch 5-hit Complete game Shutout wining 2-0. The Blue Jays would win game 6 ending the Series. In 2001 Game 5 in the Division against the Cardinals Schilling and Morris had their second pitching dual in the desert with both pitchers pitching till the end with Schilling getting the win again after the Tony W. walk off hit in the 9th ended the game 2-1. Game 7 of the 2001 World Series is the only Elimination game Schilling did not get the win, giving up a 2nd run in the 8th and leaving while the Dbacks were losing. The Dbacks ended up wining the game in the 9th. The last game on this list A.K.A The Bloody Sock Game, Game 6 of the ALCS. Schilling had to go through surgery to stabilize a tendent hours before the game at Yankee stadium Pitching 7 inings giving up 1 run and 4 hits keeping the Red Sock dreams alive. In each of those 5 games Schilling Pitched 39.1 inings pitching at least 7 inings in each start never surrendering more then 2 runs in those games. For comparison Randy Johnson who also has 19 post season starts (Same amount as Schilling) numbers do not match up no Comparison Schilling was far better in the post Season.
In conclusion as stated in the video Schilling WAR is almost 80 are you kidding me. If Schilling is borderline with WAR of almost 80, The best Strike to Walk ratio ever in the History of LIve Ball ERA and all those post season accomplishments. Kick out 94 percent of the HOF now. P.S Schilling did all of this in the steroid era of Bonds, Sosa, Meguire and many more without using Steroids himself. Schilling did not cheat at all and because of this Schilling is the biggest HOF Snub
Albert Belle is another that Cooperstown Writers did not put in HOF.
Because Belle had serious off field issues. They used to ignore that sort of thing but they can't do that anymore. His alcohol abuse led to serious problems and made his team look bad, mostly destroying visiting clubhouses and smashing everything. He did have like 8 good seasons on the field, but it certainly wasn't HOF worthy.
HOF without these guys is a joke. Pete Rose, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens not being in discredits the HOF as being legitimate.
Mike Piazza? Ivan Rodriguez? Jeff Bagwell? David Ortiz? HOF? Not Barry Bonds though or Roger Clemens, probably Arod too 😂 That's funny!
Man, I totally agree with you guys! If you're gonna keep Barry Bonds out, then remove all the racists players, coaches that were inducted in the Hall of Joke!
How does being a racist make you a better baseball player? That's the question you would have to be able to answer in order to make that argument
@Ash Hegde Racism is not cheating that's right but that's not why Barry Bonds is not in the HOF. Bonds is not in because he was rude to the Writers and that's the only reason why he's not.
Same exact argument as racism does not make a better baseball player, like Being rude to these writers does not make you a better baseball player
The hall has always said character plays a part, so if Ty Cobb is in the hall, how the hell does Bonds not deserve it?
@@nathanchildress5596 Ty Cobb didn't cheat the game. That's your answer. Ty Cobb also wasn't a racist and the majority of the things said about Cobb weren't true
Replies say racism isnt cheating but the HOF already has cheaters in it lmfao
The fact that Barry never played the race card at any time throughout this process shouldnt go unnoticed. But it does.
He knows better; he’s smart!
Bonds needs to be in the Hall.....
Putting these guys in front of congress and all that bs, should have been a whole collective apology/ & going forward we will govern strictly, but otherwise guys deserving will go in HOF
Unbelievable. We have our educated guess about who was juiced or not, but was it ever officially proven that Bonds was juiced? Did he confess?
Nep,an nep
Even if he did. The general consensus was that he started in 98 & if you judge his career prior to that then he'd still be in
@@SportsSpeak73 nooo because major accomplishments were during that time
@@fashionlife5348 not exactly sure what you're trying to say. Care to elaborate?
Dude,drop the 🎤Mic!!!!!
You are 100% correct.
BARRY BONDS NEVER FAILED A TEST.
BARRY BONDS NEVER CONFESSED.
However Mark Mcguire CONFESSED TO DOING STEROIDS AND PERFORMANCE ENHANCEING DRUGS, claiming he did it for health reasons.
What a load of shit and HE was inducted into the HOF.
I say they all should be let in if they have the records,because this is not entry into the fcuking Priesthood,it's the Baseball Hall of Fame.
Barry Bonds,Roger Clemens and even Pete Rose should be in it.
Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa et al ARE in the hall of fame. You can see their names and paraphernalia there. Their accomplishments ARE a part of the telling of the history of the game that the museum does. These guys just don't have a plaque in the plaque room. Them not having a plaque doesn't affect the telling of the story.
I thought 💭 I remembered that in 2013, but no it’s not enough!!!! Rocket 🚀 is the best and or most dominant pitcher in MLB history. Bonds is great, and both should be in, but I agree ☝️ w/ this last Thursday’s Top 25 ALL TIME MLB Players. RUTH is #1, and now I know why!!!! Honestly he’s better than MJ, or Tom Brady!!! That’s TRUTH
Then take all the racist spitball n greese ball players plaques out to
They need to let them in and Pete Rose couse every one gambles on sports with those apps like ceasers
Only took 5 minutes for racism and race to be brought up. Surprised it took that long.
Baseball was on the verge of becoming irrelevant to the fans. Pitchers dominated the sport and you sat through nine inns to one run game. The thrill, the excitement was no longer there until Sammy Sosa, Mark Mcguire and Barry Bonds exploded onto the scene Suddenly baseball was once again fun and entertaining. Viewership shot up as the people wanted to see Barry Bonds hit a monster home run or the home run race between Sammy Sosa and Mark Mcguire. That was an incredible time money was rolling in record numbers to the MLB and the owners.
The most important and forgotten point is that those players were excellent players before they allegedly used performance enhancing substances. They had no need to use those substances.
I have always asked myself the following "if the use of so called performance enhancing substances turns an average player into a super star" why aren't there more super stars? Are people so naive to believe that story line? Has any research been made where they take an average sports player and he is converted into a super star? I think not! I think not.
I thought it was "Steroids turn an average player into a good player and a good player into a star player."
Does this have something to do with the players' batting average declining since players want home runs instead of getting on base?
That’s why Selig let it happen
@@CTback Well chicks dig the long ball so...lol. That is what makes Bonds so scary good. He could do both with ease. Win a batting title, no problem. Win a HR title, sure. It was stupid watching that guy hit. Especially considering he would see maybe 3 pitches an entire game to hit.
Hehe I used to have a “chicks dig the long ball” shirt
@@CTback either way the substance has transformed him into a player that vastly improved their game.
What's the most important item that must greatly improve - his eye sight. The greatest haters will tell you that they can see the seam of the ball.
If that's true then I wear glasses - so tell me where I sign up for that magical juice. 🤔 😂 Baseball once the King of sports - no longer. 🤔😪
When his voice changed @ 11:02... "40 ppl!" --- DEAD 💀💀💀😂😭🤣
In what alternate universe do youv get stronger and hit more home runs the older you get? Explain that to me please? Plus I hope none of them EVER get in the HOF. That goes for Bonds, McGuire, Sosa, Rose, Clemens, ARod etc.
But you have no problem with all those WHITE RACIST in the HOF.
🤫 Be careful Sean! You’re making way too much sense and I for one agree with your comment 100%. 👍🏼
For give me I don't believe they ever tested Bond and his test came back positive for Bond?
Looking at pre steroid stats for Bonds, the stats say Hall of Fame
Exactly. Dude had 3 MVPs 6 GGs & 6 Silver Sluggers before his PED use allegedly began
Of course Bonds should be in the hall, MLB and the HOF still exist because of the interest that home run hitters generated at a time baseball was dying . .. and yep, the home run hitters were juiced, and yep, everybody knew it .. Bud Selig knew better than anybody ..
NO OTHER BASEBALL PLAYER INTIMIDATED EVERY SINGLE PITCHER THAT STEPPED ON THE MOUND. NO OTHER BASEBALL PLAYER STRUCK FEAR INTO MANAGERS HEARTS AND MADE THEM INTENTIONALLY WALK HIM TO FIRST BASE. NO OTHER BASEBALL PLAYER HAS MORE WALKS/INTENTIONAL WALKS IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME OF BASEBALL THEN BARRY BONDS AND YET HE’S NOT IN THE HALL OF FAME?? BASEBALL IS A COMPLETE AND UTTER JOKE AND DISGRACE!!
Yeah, you are right. He was very scary, because of PED.
This is the most nostalgic story I've heard in a while.
Baseball players want them In ....if a pitcher is juicing do the strikes outs not count Bonds was 40/40 before roids were ever even considered what about the NY Mets team that was on Cocain when they won a World Series against Boston Red Sox and or the teams in the 70s and 80s that were given speed by the trainers before every game ...The Hate for Bonds has destroyed every conversations He was rude he was arrogant but he backed up everything on the field And you can never deny his numbers on the field
MLB got publicly known racists in the HOF but Lord forbid adding iconic players they profited off of in the museum. These same iconic players that highlight a real era of baseball that was overseen by the commissioner who's actually inducted in Cooperstown. Whole shit is a complete hypocrisy 😒
Harold baines was way better than barry bonds … thats what they want us to believe…
@alien observer but if bonds cheated and all the steroids guys cheated, take away his mvp awards, take away the yankees championships, cheating is part of the game … let mike trout cheat and see you people keep the same energy
@alien observer So did Harold Baines.
Ha ha ha ☺️☺️☺️☺️
I guess the argument for letting them I because there are worse/comparably worse people on the HOF. The retort would be , "well 2 wrongs don't make a right". I haven't heard a response to that
Barry Bonds is my whole childhood but they still stubborn on Pete rose and I never seen him play. He is a hof just not in cooperstown, in American history!
2 guys just speaking he truth ...MLB and the HOF are clearly hypocritical regarding steroids ...
Wouldn't be neat if there was another Hall of Fame that wasn't governed by sportswriters, but fans and the players' peers? Bonds was already ridiculously good before his head grew two sizes too big. This also takes into account that people pre-Mitchell Report era never cheated or consumed other types of PEDs. There has been rumors that legendary players injecting weird substances to get an advantage, like Babe Ruth and Mantle.
why do ppl assume because Bonds was smaller that he wasn't taking stuff to get there? Why do people assume that Steroids started in this "era? You realize steroids were a thing in other areas far before that "era", right? I personally think they should all be put into the HoF, BUT I also don't think that the lighter stance we have taken on Steroids is helpful today. I played high level baseball 15-20 years ago. The number of young kids dabbling in PEDs was shocking. It seems like we have decided that PEDs aren't a big deal anymore and I'm telling you right now it's widespread even more NOW in sports and just the young generation as a whole. That's not a good thing. You need to understand how deadly these things actually are. And, no, not all of us were "enjoying the show". People trying to compete in the sport and didn't want to kill themselves with DRUGS weren't "enjoying the show". Made me hate the sport.
I knew the kid from USC who took his own life. It was because of that death, and that kid's mom, that this was even brought up in the first place. Like you said, this had been going on for YEARS.
I resent one thing (especiaIly as a Red Sox fan) implied here. David Ortiz was voted in NOT because he's the most likable, but because he IS the MOST qualified. Big Papi's qualifications were impeccable: 1. well over 500 homers, 2. 3 World Series Titles (on a team That previously hadn't won since 1918), 3. the greatest clutch hitter of his Era, 4. a great ambassador for the game!
Ped also
@@cwillie1492 Unlike the major steroid baseball folks users it has never firmly established that Ortiz purposefully used PEDs (if really at all) or just failed to read the ingredients on a supplement bottle or two. Also, the proof is in the pudding as they say: the bodies of Maguire, Sosa, Gary Sheffield, Bonds, Arod and others speak for themselves. Papi, on the other hand, is just a large man with a potbelly.
Mike is right if you Have Bud Selig in there, non integration players, no to mention how much money that 97 to 2005 era made for baseball, networks, news papers, writers, reporters and players and only those superstars are paying the prize while all those leashes that fed of them are getting away off free talk about moral decay and moral clauses is hypocrisy of the highest order.
So I'm with Mike let them all in or keep everybody out.
It’s not just a museum.
A lot of people are in the Hall of Fame with tons of skeletons in their closets and dirt under their rugs, yet folks are being selective as far as who gets eviscerated. It all boils down to politics and favoritism over relevance in history and impact on the game.
the problem with having " a steroid wing" in the hall of fame would be this: what about the fact that bonds and clemens never tested positive? its should be just like the law ---if you are not convicted you are not guilty
Bonds tested positive for 3 different steroids. Bonds’ lawyers moved to suppress 24 drug tests from 2000-06, 24 drug calendars, BALCO log sheets and witness descriptions of Bonds' physical, behavioral and emotional characteristics, including acne on his back, testicle shrinkage and an increase in head and foot size.
Bonds tested positive for Clomid, a female fertility drug among others.
mike smith especially: you are 100% correct.
Mike is on point 💯%
The ultimate hypocrisy to exclude Roger and Barry. No testing in place. No substances were banned. MLB reeling all the rewards. Then they throw 14 MVPs and Cy Youngs under the bus. Ugh.
Especially if steroids were pervasive in their era , both Bonds and Clemens were competing against players that were using and set records. Now that the scribblers have admitted Piazza, Gladwell, Ortiz and others who tested positive and were named in the Mitchell report it becomes not a statement of principle but rather a vindictive slight toward someone they don't like which is a complete departure of where do these players rank among the all time greats? Bonds and Clemens both had HOF numbers before steroids were even around. It's therefore personal and therefore a pathetic indictment of a crowd of imitation journalists
Chris Rock also said in his stand up that women know you cheated but want the CONFESSION LOL FOR BARRY BONDS AND ROGER TO GET IN THEY HAVE TO CONFESS LOL 🤣😂
With the logic of BBWAA on cheaters and HOF, no member of the Astros WS team can make the HOF......
We’ll see when the time comes
Your point?
MLB knew and profited and enjoyed the popularity resurgance and even had a commisioner that also owned a team. All not nec a big deal, until these guys are kept out of hall of fame, then its a hypocritical mess , mlb shld have to pay fines, and owners, coaches, all involved shld be put on blast and be affected also
Dont forget to take away all the awards from writers and fire any who benefitted from writing about the steroid era.
The problem with the Baseball Hall of Fame is if you let people in that did steroids then you would have to let Pete Rose in that's why Barry Bonds ,Roger Clemens, A-Rod are not in also Curt Schilling should be in the Hall of Fame don't have to agree with what he did off the field you look at his on-field accomplishments he should be in the Hall of Fame problem with the Baseball Hall of Fame they look too much at numbers on both sides of the ball instead of looking at someone and saying that for sure some one that should be in Fred McGriff if they was never a steroid era would have got into the Hall of Fame it's because of the steroid era and the numbers that was inflated but they kept players like Fred McGriff was did not do any steroids out also look at the greatest defensive center fielders of all time Andrew Jones which is only sitting at 41% right now he's got five more years to get in it makes no sense that they leave the greatest defensive center fielders of all time not in the Hall of Fame because too many of the baseball voters go will he fell off after his 30s that's true but look at age 19 when came in to age of 30 his 11-year Peak was outstanding also he had a lot of injuries after 30 for the way that he always played Centerfield think about it in five years if Andrew Jones doesn't get in because it don't make sense that he's not already in
Arod belongs to be in,him n papi were on same list of players who got popped for juice in 03..After that list, AROD nor Papi ever failed a test again..Arod was on some list outside the mlb,but he never peed hot on record since 03.
They deserve to be in the hall! I also agree with separation the eras to tell the story with a steriod era section.
ortiz isn’t on the mitchell report i wish people would quit saying that. a quick google search says he doesn’t lol
I will never travel to the hall of shame and my son wont and his likely won't. If Clemens and Bonds start their own recognition award jerk thing it would probably be more well received then then the hall of shame. Short squeeze time on their Rookie Cards!
Ortiz was not mentioned in the Mitchell Report.
These Baseball Writers are a joke. There are hundreds of former MLB players who took steroids and NEVER elevated their play to All-Star level. If PEDs were so game changing and gave players an advantage, then why are we only talking about 3 to 5 players who are being kept out of the Hall? Holistically, steroids did very little to change the game. During the 90s and early 2000s, juiced baseballs changed the game more than steroids ever did.
The Hall of Great not very good. But Bonds Clemens and Sosa should have been in. A-Rod deserve the Hall as well.
If Arod and Sosa and Mcguire are not in HOF why is Bonds even a question they all did the same thing
Because Bonds was putting up HOF numbers pre-PEDs. Same with Clemens.
Yeah, and why are Bagwell, IRod, Piazza, and Edgar in the HOF? Canseco even admitted in his book he shot up steroids to IRod in Texas' locker room every other day.
@@Joseph-lz5er And Big Papi was a first ballot HOF.
People don't understand how great Barry Bonds was...the most dominant Athlete ever.
why do people keep saying that Ortiz was in the Mitchell report? It's not, do your own research
He failed 2 different PED tests at the same time his best friend, training partner, Manny Ramirez also tested positive. Manny denied it at first and then admitted to it. When asked about Ortiz he changed the subject. I remember the interviews. Everyone knows he cheated. He is pretty much saying it himself without saying it. She was shocked he got in but not Bonds or Clemens. He got it simply because he is loved by the press.
@@shawngardner2642 "Everyone knows he cheated" who?? show me real evidence
I don't really care about this stupid ass hall of fame anymore. Nobody cares about baseball anymore anyway. But what's the difference between ortiz and Clemens and bonds? He was likeable! He had his moments with the media and famously a dugout phone. But for the most part he was a likeable guy. Clemens and bonds were not. That's why they're not in. It's wrong especially when you look at the history and all of the terrible people they let in. But they don't like how smug bonds and Clemens were, not just during their careers but with their ped use. They haven't even really admitted to it. Had they come out and apologized for it, I think they'd have a chance to get in at some point. A rod probably getting in. Pettite might've gotten in if his numbers were a little better. They admitted to some of what they did and weren't blatantly arrogant all of the time. I hate this sanctimonious shit. But baseball is getting what they deserve because nobody cares anymore about the sport. They're in a lockout and you don't even hear about it. You get what you deserve.
Mickey Mantle used stimulants but you don’t hear about that!!
no, just keep Sosa, McGwire, Clemens, and Bonds out. The rest is far enough removed to be blamed.
Nailed it!!!
In Barries situation I don't care how roids you do they make you stronger but you still have to have hand and eye coordination to make contact with the ball. If Tye Cobb is in the Hall you darn well put Barry in!
It's all about these guys not sucking off the baseball writers
This may be just my opinion , but some of these talked about players from the steroid era , I think I would put them in with a side note about the era if the players would admit what happened- and mlb admits they turned a blind eye to it because of the money! 1 record I would want changed is the home run record - that to me still belongs to hammerin hank , he earned it - period.
I have no respect for anyone who would honor Ty fucking Cobb, a total monster, but not honor THE BEST HITTER OF ALL TIME
Watch them get eleven just to rub it on more.
We’re not comparing the steroid era and the pre-integration era. We’re not doing that. People want to hold it against Babe Ruth that he played in the segregated Majors when Babe Ruth had no control whatsoever on who he played with or against. All of the white ball players who played before 1947 had no control over that. We’re not putting asterisks on them. A lot of those white ball players likely would’ve welcomed playing alongside black players. This false equivalence needs to be put to bed. The players in the steroid era had all the control in the world when it came to taking PEDs. THEY made that choice.
Who makes more?
A. Mr. Olympia
B. Mr. America
C. 25th guy on any MLB bench.
Sure, PEDs make a difference. Not THAT big a difference. Take a pre-PED Barry Bonds, and put him in Yankee Stadium, 1998-2007, without PEDs...he still puts up cartoon numbers.
Pudge Rodriguez and David Ortiz both on Mitchell Repot and are in the HOF
Barry was better then all of them
On or off the juice ...let Barry In!
No, David Ortiz was not mentioned in the Mitchell Report 0:24
Yes he was.
@@byronsmith3152 No he wasn't. Look it up. Better yet, give me the quote from the Mitchell Report where his name comes up.
GTFOH...ORTIZ JUICED but I no problem with all of them in the HOF they deserve it!!!
@@monochrome493 I'm not saying whether or not he juiced, I'm saying he wasn't in the Mitchell Report.
Steroids or not you still have to run, hit, catch and in some cases pitch 😐😐
Cooperstown is a joke...🤔
Jeff Bagwell, Mike Piazza and Pudge Rodriguez 🤷🏽♂️
and now Big Papi
Know steroid users
Keeping them out is just outrageous, it's a popular contest now and it's been for a while like that!!!!And by the way there are items of those players already in the HOF, hypocrisy????
Barry gets in the hall if he just admitted he took them and stopped after a year of using it
This was all the truth
Look at photos of Bonds in 1992. 7th year in MLB. He looks about 170 lbs. He's the same size as Deion Sanders. A few years later, in his late 30s, early 40s, dude is 250 lbs and looking like a pro wrestler. Look at pictures of him now, he's back down to like 150-160 lbs. It's a shame he juiced. He would have been a HOF lock even without the bloated homeruns. So many other people were doing it too. No Hall for you.
I am a Yankee fan...and even I think schilling should be in without question. he was dominant over a long period .. .dominant....this is why I have no respect for any sports leagues anymore...because schilling is a conservative and doesn't agree with the weirdo woke culture bring pushed nowadays he is left out. that automatically makes me think the whole hall of fame is a fraud. it's a joke and any baseball writer who holds schillings politics against him should lose their vote. I knew this league was a joke when they took the Allstar game out of Atlanta...to be honest I hope the whole league falls apart due to their following that bs agenda....one final note...give Ken griffey junior his props for being the best of that generation. his career would have been more productive for a longer time if he didn't have so many injuries due to playing hard in the outfield...before bonds artificially extended his career and arod and the others jumped on...Ken griffey having over 600 hrs naturally.. best of the generation. you guys are spot on about the steroid generation.
Being the ONLY sport that had a separate league for men of color should make them just a bit more forgiving. I can go on and on about most of the players in the HOF. If they want to make it a shrine of holy men then dont have HOF at all.
I love it but what I love more is how pissed these jackweeds get!
"During an era full of cheaters, he was the best cheater." Put that on his plaque and put him in.
Pete Rose should never be in the Hall of Fame while he's alive.
"I didn't do it! I didn't do it! I didn't do it! I didn't do it! I DID do it and for $24.95 you can buy my book and find out how!" --- Pete Rose
America doesn't like its own history..period
Sosa, McGuire & Bonds ALL deserve to be in the HOF.
before sammy took roids he was nicknamed "Sammy so-so" due to being slightly above average as a player.
McGwire was on Roids beginning in 1989 when he and Jose Canceco would shoot up in the bathroom and clubhouse room of the Oakland A's. They were Roiding from the very start, which is how McGwire hit 49 HR as a rookie.
Barry Bonds had a HOF career with a 300 BA before steroids. Before Roiding, he hit 411 HR, stole 445 bases, had an OPS nearly 1000, and 3 MVP and 8 Gold Glove awards. Bonds is the only one of the 3 I'd put into the Hall.
@@craigwheeler4760 how do you know Bonds wasn't on roids from the beginning? You don't. You're just making excuses for him. If you think he deserves to be in the hall. So does Sammy and McGuire. They made baseball relevant with their homerun showdowns. And it still hasn't been proven that Sosa actually took roids. More than likely he did. But baseball couldn't prove it. Regardless of the roid thing. All 3 of those guys put baseball on their backs and made it must see tv for awhile.
@@dcrucifixx3000 NO, Ken Griffey JR put baseball on his back during the 1990's. People in this country knew who Bonds and McGwire were, but people in Japan, Korea, and Europe knew who Ken Griffey Jr. was.
You do the Fuking eye test bro. Bonds was confirmed to have started roiding after the 1998 season as a result of jealousy for Sosa and Mcgwire.
He was a smaller guy in Pittsburgh, and during his first years with the Giants.
then he suddenly got like 30+ lbs heavier
And you seem to be missing 3 important stats about Bonds that the other 2 don't have.
1. Before 1999 Bonds walked 1300 times
2. Bonds had 445 steals before he roided, the other 2 don't even compare
3. Bonds had an on base percentage and bating average way higher than the other 2.
If batting 300 and driving in 100+ a season with only 30-40 HR isn't HOF material, I don't know what is. McGwire wasn't that good, he needed the juice to keep up.
Mark was huge from the start, he had those massive forearms, and his teammates testified to he and Jose Canseco shooting up in the bathroom during the 89' season.
Bonds had no such testimony against him until 1999.
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Let's start with eliminating the ongoing false narratives.. Bonds shoe size did not increase.. Bonds did not put on 30 lbs of muscle. (look at any of his picture and you can clearly see he has a little gut in the mid section, and that's not muscle).... For instance, Dennis Rodman weighed 210 lbs at his early playing weight, and 228 at the end of his career.. 18 lbs of muscle.. Some people can easily put on muscle mass.. The clear, whether Bonds used it or not, was not illegal at that time.. When they started testing for the clear ( Bonds tested intensely) Bonds did not test positive and still won the batting title with an avg of .362, past what we consider his prime.. Tom Brady has put up MVP numbers in his late 30's, early 40's..
Restore Aaron to the all-time homerun champ and return the season record to Maris. Then put Bonds in. Maris had to live with an asterisk next to his 61 for the rest of his life.
Brought to you by Draft Kings... No Pete Rose.. Bug Selig is looked at fondly and.allowed ALL of the drugs
Why ain't Fred McGriff in?
Honestly, in my opinion NONE of the steroid guys belong in the hall of fame, BUT I feel that Barry belongs in there the LEAST and I'll explain why. All of the other steroid guys used it because they wanted to compete with guys like Barry while he used it because he didn't want to have to compete.
Baseball handled it like the clueless 3rd most popular sport, and too too much in game down time.
I loved baseball, but i got to point of, cripe sake stop rearanging uniform one hour after each swing garbage, i saw so many other fans like, im not coming anymore and wasting day for a few/handful plays that are exciting to sit thru other 3hrs of "purist, out of date traditions" players had too much time on there hands and developed gotta do all this crap so im not jinxed, just got weird
Everyone in the comments section could take roids and NEVER make it into the hall. Furthermore MLB knew they had a "problem" with steroids and did nothing to stop it.
Popularity contest
Historians love bragging about 1941 but would DiMaggio and Williams have accomplished what they did if the had to face Satchel Paige more than once?. Remember there were fewer teams back then.
All of the old baseball players would have been average today, the game has moved so far. Babe Ruth would maybe be like Prince Fielder
@@nathanchildress5596 Don't forget, if Fielder was also a great pitcher lol.
Clemens was one of the greatest pitchers of all time.
What about Pete Rose? HIT KING?
Bonds in. Clemens in