It’s really hard not to get frustrated with a hoarder. It really is. My mother is one. Hoarders require psychiatric help for the rest of their lives. It’s sad really.
Somewhere in their lives something happened and they lost something or often someone and they couldn't recover . Their lives felt out of control. Sadly their possessions give them some sense of control
It really is easy. I had a neighbor who was one & every time she said she wanted to clean, I would tell her I would help her. In return, I wouldn’t hear about it for months.
Bec D, you say your mother is a hoarder, I would like to ask you something if I may. Is your mother also a messy hoarder? Are all hoarders messy? I had an aunt who was a hoarder, she would keep everything but it was all very neatly kept in boxes. She had boxes labelled cork, paper, bottle tops, small fabric scraps, large fabric scraps. Everything was neat as could be and her house was very clean but the boxes went from floor to ceiling. All these hoarding programmes show people who live in filth. So I was wondering if hoarders are generally messy. I find it fascinating because I grew up with the opposite - the cleanest house in the neighbourhood. Not minimalist, pretty normal but super clean, we used to call my mother Our Lady of the Perpetual Vacuum Cleaner - to this day, and I am 68 years old, I cannot stay in bed past 7am even if I worked late the night before, in my mind I will be woken by the vacuum cleaner at 07.05 sharp!
mamm i feel sorry for you bless your heart. my friend who i grew up with was a horder anf at the end no one would go over to his house he died his sister found 2 months later
@@cindy2145 Agreed. But other issues weren't raised in the original comment. The focus is on the word germaphobe which involves excessive cleanliness too.
@@unaninanine3743 whether other issues were raised in the original comment or not doesnt change the fact that they exist and that very few people have an isolated singular issue .
She doesn't know what "germaphobe" means. I'm vegetarian. I eat steak and eggs and bacon and lobster. But I'm a vegetarian. Totally, pls believe me, ooh hotdog yum!
Emphasis on "nature". This is her house, not a natural environment and she wants to make them stay with her because she is lonely so she feeds them. Nothing more, nothing less.
I grew up with a hoarder mom. Luckily I became the exact opposite. Things give me so much anxiety and they make me feel weighed down. So my apartment is practically empty and I like it that way. I never want more things than what I could pack up and move within a day. I hate when people give me gifts and I’m honest and tell them I’ll likely throw it away if I can’t return/sell it. I only want the necessities- basically a bed and a tv and a couch
The real opposite of hoarder could also be a big problem, because an average person want to have personal belongings and if it is a real condition it could make impossible for someone to live with such kind of person, because he or she will not allow to other person in household to possess normal volume of stuff. He or she will throw away most if not all your stuff, resulting in conflict and quarrel. He or she will dislocate your stuff and so on.
I remember this one. You could see the pain in her face knowing she has an illness and fighting it, but losing. I hope since this was filmed that she is in better health both mentally and physically... and that she is in a healthy living environment.
@@bluu_ice6554 No, I don't, and any Christian that actually reads their Bible doesn't either. Take your politics elsewhere - my faith is in God, not any politician.
That's heartbreaking, I guess Judy felt like she wasn't loved enough emotionally. Bless her daughter, she really loves her mom. I have the same kind of problem. It's a tough life.
The toughness is created on the empty place, you are not bombed,like people were all round the world by your army, obviously you are not hungry and never have been, you just create dirt all around. There is no pity , there is just disgust. And that nation is willing to teach the world how to live
A friend who goes to school to be your carer is a real friend. My mums applying to be my carer and home help. I can’t afford the 60+ an hour per multiple carer multiple times a day every day... so I really understand how much a carer, especially someone you’re familiar with already, matters.
Nope. Have you been to a nursing home? Assisted living? While there are rules, I can assure you that hoarding goes on there too. It makes things hard for those giving care and residents. A counselor needs to help her learn where the disconnect and illusions happened.
I can’t help but think this poor woman’s own mental health causes such harsh inner turmoil. More than a “normal” hoarder’s inner turmoil. One aspect of it wants her to keep everything, the other aspect wanting it to be obsessively clean but her hoarding side wants to keep too much so there’s really no time to do what the obsessive compulsive side wants to do. That’s got to be exhausting. I hope she was able to get the help she needed.
Yeah, at first its really 🤮 But at second i'm also a little more worried about infections if she accidentally have an injury.. i mean not every body has health injurance..😨
This is exactly how my mum is. I was exactly the same as the daughter. I really hope she manages to make a substantial change through therapy, cos my mum still is in denial.
My mom was like her too. She kept every little scrap. She and my dad would get into arguments about it. When she passed away, we were going through her stuff and we found a full box with nothing but old receipts for the 1980's.
@Keri Cougar - sounds like my mum too! She died last year and my sister and I are trying to clear the house for our dad and are surprised with the amount of stuff my mum kept! My dad is really liking it being tidier, although he loved my mum so much - they were married for over 50 years!
The full episode states in segment that she finds some her friends “low lifes”. That very segment stated, too, that a friend gave her a mattress to sleep on. She won’t sleep on that mattress cuz that friend is what she calls a “low life”. A low life, though? I mean, has she taken a look in the mirror?
They shouldve kept those lines in this one. It would really change the tone of the episode to show Judy looking diwn her nose at the people who try to help her.
Yes, she says people who take the bus are low lives, and she only accepts ride in cars from her friends. She has to spray the seat and sit on a plastic bag, because the friend's car isn't sanitary enough to her standards..yet walks around barefoot in mice excrement and trash. She is conceited, self centered, and a control freak who is ungrateful.
I have binged these short hoarder episodes and this is the WORST case I have seen. You can see the desperation in her eyes that all her stuff is about to be gone. The excuses she was coming up with. Astounding
That stuff kept her company, that stuff kept her surrounded and that stuff kept people from wanting to come into her home! Obviously if the stuff left she would feel even more alone and then people would try to come in. I think that right there is a key issue that has been missed a little in the comments I have read. It doesn't appear to me she wants people to come in!
I have a fascination with these Hoarders episodes, but after watching one or two, I have to follow them with a couple of episodes of My Favorite Martian. Being able to laugh at the antics on that show help deal with the frustration, sadness, and, in the end, happiness and relief when hoarders begin the path to normalcy.
As someone with an autism diagnosis, and a bit of a tendency to collect (that I fully realise is really a hoarding problem waiting to happen)- I'm always amazed that autism isn't more talked about in hoarding documentaries. IMO, a large percentage of the men and women featured in these programmes would qualify for an autism diagnosis, and it really seems to be this unspoken missing puzzle piece that really should be investigated and acknowledged before this issue can be successfully overcome. These people talk about mental health issues, and OCD and other problems they have- but ALL these things can be symptoms of, or co-morbid to autism. Until this connection is made, I doubt that most of these people will 'recover'. They don't just need therapy, they need the RIGHT KIND of therapy.
Agreed! Because it obvious that she is not competent at all. Thank god the first three years out of mom and dads when I was in adult foster care I really learned what it means to be competent. I learned a lot to the point that I am completely on my own without a social worker
@@sinbadoakley1990 are you okay with out a social worker.❓can you do this ❓ without any help ❓ gave him a you got the skills to survive ❓ I'm concerned about the children born in the world of the obsessive or hoarder. Can your over come This child's world of possessions over people ❓
This reminds me of a psychologist that said that there are times people come for therapy and it is found they can't be helped until they gets medication or other medical situation is taken care of. You have nothing to work with until they can try to remedy the cognitive issues or dillusions that are clouding reality. She has a lot of OCD behaviors. I feel for her and the people trying to work with her.
I would feel sorry for her, but she is truly an awful person. On the full episode, she called people who ride the bus, or men with beards "icky, dirty, low-lives." She is as disgusting as her own house and deserves zero sympathy.
There is no such thing as a "true germaphobe" because it is all in their heads. This is the same for this case. In her self-made reality she is a germaphobe, including the fear and methods to deal with it.
This is really really really simple it's the same as families who try to deny their relative is a drug addict. we called in the professionals to do what we couldn't do and the person still refused so you know what it is what it is in the end you still really cared you had them committed they're still housed instead of dead.
@CurlyG65 Your uneducated comment was not needed here and not welcomed. Take your attention seeking comment to a more toxic place in the other threads. MmmKay..thanks👍
Well, we had a house fire several years ago and learned that stuff is just that, stuff. We all go out safe, kids, me and pets all out safe (apart from my fish, *sad*) I was lucky enough that I had just backed up all my important photos onto a hdd that was right near the front door which survived. The cleaning guys got that for me when they went in. You can replace your stuff but you can't replace your loved ones. This lady needs to see Stelios man. She seriously had something happen to her in her childhood that makes her have these obsessive ideations. Much therapy is required for her to work through it, definitely not a good idea for her to live on her own.
@@alir9929 Makes no sense. Germaphobes are worried about germs touching them in general. Being human or animal makes no difference. They will not let you touch them in anyway, shape or form. I've met a few germaphobic people before, none of them would willingly initiate contact unless there was a shower or restroom around so they could immediately wash their bodies or hands afterwards.
Man.... i get it. I hate having to kill mice when they get into my house. I dont even have a hoarding problem and i know how bad it can get from neighbours not taking care of garbage and stuff. But to actually feed them??? She’ll never get rid of them now.
Not surprised with the outcome. There's no way they were going to truly make any progress towards addressing the hoarding issue without also addressing her very obvious OCD and anxiety issues. They clearly go hand in hand. She can't just let go of the papers, not just because she is a hoarder but because she also has an obsessive compulsion towards them. Showing her that the bin lid has germs despite her "sanitizing" it, isn't going to teach her anything because, it's not necessarily the presence of germs as to why she wants to clean stuff, but because it is an obsessive compulsion. When you have OCD, it's basically like being held prisoner by your own mind. Most of the time, you really don't want to have these habits and do these rituals, but you literally cannot help it, you can't seem to stop yourself. It's like you are a puppet and the OCD is pulling all your strings, forcing you to do these things. I have dealt with OCD pretty much my entire life, so I know how it feels. And it is not easy to manage or control the compulsions. To this day, I still have the compulsion to do certain things, but what I have learned is to manage it. To be aware of what I'm doing and to take active steps to get myself to pull on the reins, to snap myself out of it. Been working on it for decades, and I think I have about 90% control of it, but it's still not 100% and it might never be. You literally have to rewire your mind and it takes a LOT of time and work. They were not going to be able to make a dent in Judy's issues in only a few days.
You did an amazing job! I understand how hard it can be especially when people come in and just start touching everything and throwing things out. God bless you for the effort you put forward! I pray you are able to continue to heal and as you heal your home will show it
Oh then you missed the lady who after working hard to clear out her hoard, looked straight into the camera and stated she could now see who's been living in the hoard and she could finally prove there was someone living in her home when no one believed her and she couldn't provide evidence. This was her motivating factor in getting rid of the mess - paranoia. 😳
@@AStri-zg5xc the paranoia is based of extreme anxiety. Hoarders hoard for lots of reasons, feeling safe, prepared, it can be a distraction from the anxiety itself,
On a serious note - the cleaners should have understood her panic better. One solution would have been to take pictures and videos of all items and demonstrate to her that she loses none of the stuff
I don't believe this woman remotely qualifies as a germaphobe. She would not be able to live like that by choice otherwise. I honestly think it's just a defense to living like she does. Another excuse.
According to this info I read from the Michigan clinic, hoarding can exist on its own or be a part of another mental illness. The most common mental illnesses found in hoarders is depression,obsessive-compulsive disorder,obsessive compulsive personality disorder, and attention deficit-hyperactivity disorder. The contradictory behaviour makes sense.
If this is how laws operate the laws are wrong. People who are mentally ill need to be cared for. It's a problem so solutions need to be found. When a person gets to this state trying to reason with them will not work. They are unreasonable. Someone needed to step in and help a long time ago.
What would really help Judy with her paper obsession is if she started scrapbooking then she can cut out all of the stuff that she likes glue it into ONE book and look at it for years and years. I do this too because i also have problems with hoarding.
She is not going to do that. She hasn't got around to reading the magazines, let alone doing what you suggest. I appreciate it works for you because you are probably on top of it and your house is probably not like Judy's house.
I know it’s less dramatic and suspenseful, but why aren’t these people ‘treated’ beforehand so that when the cleaning process begins they are let go of most items? Therapy while cleaning clearly doesn’t work
She needs long term therapy first before the cleaning crew can even attempt to do anything. Otherwise it causes more trauma and the hoarding continues and maybe gets worst. You need to treat the underlying issue before anything else happens.
I always think with the hoarders they should have them close their eyes. Whatever they can remember and ask for can be set aside and everything else is trashed. If they miss it they can get a new one
This has given me clarity because I am diagnosed ocd and have germ issues but I also am not the cleanest person and it hasn’t made sense in my head. I’ve questioned my diagnosis But this helps
I think that, unless you are a minimalist-- most of us have a little bit of hoarding in us BUT I always say...If I can ride a skateboard through my house then I can live with that!
@@iil0v3ccats_ It’s still pretty close to the same thing. Same species most likely, they do the same thing, and can carry the same things. Just one is in a cage and another is free roamed. Also I’m about half way through the episode but I only see mice
This is so sad. I think there are a few reasons for her hoarding, but this is just a guess: - Control. She has nothing in her life that gives her a sense of contribution and validation. She is overweight. The only thing that belongs to her that she owns and she can do what she wishes with , is her hoard of "treasure" -Sunk cost fallacy....she thought she was a clever and astute finding and buying all of these things on sale or collecting them. She gets a rush every time she scores a deal, biochemically her brain rewards her with endorphins, which only happens after repeating the experience time after time. It's learned. *Her life savings are in that house - she can't quit now, or she loses any value in the items* and if she admits she's wrong, it means admitting to herself she wasted all that time and money on something that was never going to make her truly happy - Protection - The hoard is often allegorical. She is literally building up walls and a maze to keep the pain and naysayers out. She walls off part of her mind and heart because she has tuned her inner voice out, so much so, she has lost the rationale to cope with this. She is threatened....and what do animals do? They fight or take flight. This monster has a hold of her. Look at her eyes, as they are glassy and like she's not actively listening or she is busy coming up with an excuse or an explanation. In her mind, she's being cornered and it's the rest of them who don't understand the value of things. Hoarders don't trust outsiders. The family has probably bothered them for years, so she;s stressed every tine they speak or she avoids them, so there is this inherent defensiveness and anger, but now it looks like she's being ambushed by professionals. -Grief and loss. Some hoarders lose that special someone or a child in their life and it's easier to plug that hole with things, so densely that she will never have to face it. It's retaliation for the people that bullied them, or abused them or called them crazy. The daughter crying and realising her mother cared more about trash just decimated her. She just wants the best for her mom and the best way to put it is that it's almost the same as the movie The Exorcist....Reagan was possessed by an evil spirit. Now this woman is not a demon, but her obsession is holding the rational part of her down. You see glimpses now and then of the old her, but just like the movie, the kids of the hoarder wonder if it's really her, or is she telling them what she thinks they want to hear in order to get rid of them. This new her, the hoarding and dismissive her is much stronger than the real her. Hoarding her is better because she gets to do what she wants, is able to hide the pain and root causes and issues and be in control of something. She's afraid to face the old her. And like the movie ? She needs a professional in order to coax the truth from her and learn and teach her how to have the best of both worlds. Whew, sorry that was long, the show really hit me and I just felt awful for those kids.
I guess the problem in some of these cases is that people need to have counseling for extensive period of time before the crew can come and help them. This particular lady needs a psychotherapy, extensive one. Maybe in several month she will be able to let go of stuff. I think that many hoarders after this program return to their old self and get to the same state in their houses pretty fast. You can't just come and clean for them and everyone will live happily ever after. It should be a long process before, hoarders should actively participate in cleaning and then making their house right, and keep therapy for quite some time after before they can safely go on their own.
She is obviously very sick. She will not get out of this alone and she need to go to a home where they take care of her. Unfortunately, that’s the reality.
My mom is a self professed “germaphobe” as well. However she takes steak knives and picks at her skin. She has thousands of open gaping sores all over her body. She gets off on letting them scab over them picking the scab off. But yet she washes her hands 50 times a day. Then apples hand sanitizer, she won’t allow shoes in her house, won’t allow me to set my purse on a table. She is constantly telling me to wash my hands. And if we go out to eat she tells strangers how she is a germaphobe. She seems oblivious to the looks she gets right after she says that. People’s eyes dart to the bloody sores covering her entire body that she makes no effort to conceal. Just makes no sense
Man, that must be hard for you to see that, good grief!! I am a germaphobe, to a point, and I will have to say,. I don't allow purses,or any type of bag on my counter or beds, either...why? Think about where they get placed... bathroom floors, all over, so yeah, nope..haha...
she seems like such a sweet person. one of the first persons on this show that I've seen seem legitimately grateful for the help/bad about not being able to do better
There is also clearly a lot of emotional generational stuff/trauma going on with all the women being so obese. I hope they all got the help and support they needed to navigate this sad situation and beyond.
This show has gone from helping people who have filled their homes with stuff, to exploiting people with severe mental issues for ratings. I don't know how the producers live with themselves.
3:58 Ok, Why would someone throw a perfectly fine looking full bottle of water into a heap of junk far enough that it’s out of reach? WTF? This lady is messed up.
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These guys never actually clean up 80%of houses
It’s really hard not to get frustrated with a hoarder. It really is. My mother is one. Hoarders require psychiatric help for the rest of their lives. It’s sad really.
Somewhere in their lives something happened and they lost something or often someone and they couldn't recover . Their lives felt out of control. Sadly their possessions give them some sense of control
It really is easy. I had a neighbor who was one & every time she said she wanted to clean, I would tell her I would help her. In return, I wouldn’t hear about it for months.
Yes, so frustrating!!
Bec D, you say your mother is a hoarder, I would like to ask you something if I may. Is your mother also a messy hoarder? Are all hoarders messy? I had an aunt who was a hoarder, she would keep everything but it was all very neatly kept in boxes. She had boxes labelled cork, paper, bottle tops, small fabric scraps, large fabric scraps. Everything was neat as could be and her house was very clean but the boxes went from floor to ceiling. All these hoarding programmes show people who live in filth. So I was wondering if hoarders are generally messy. I find it fascinating because I grew up with the opposite - the cleanest house in the neighbourhood. Not minimalist, pretty normal but super clean, we used to call my mother Our Lady of the Perpetual Vacuum Cleaner - to this day, and I am 68 years old, I cannot stay in bed past 7am even if I worked late the night before, in my mind I will be woken by the vacuum cleaner at 07.05 sharp!
mamm i feel sorry for you bless your heart. my friend who i grew up with was a horder anf at the end no one would go over to his house he died his sister found 2 months later
i honestly don't know how one can be a true germaphobe and live in conditions like that..
I'm almost a germaphobe. And she's lying.
How is she lying
@@unaninanine3743 mental health issues are not a one size fits all nor at the same degree for all and there can also be conflicting/opposite issues .
@@cindy2145 Agreed. But other issues weren't raised in the original comment. The focus is on the word germaphobe which involves excessive cleanliness too.
@@unaninanine3743 whether other issues were raised in the original comment or not doesnt change the fact that they exist and that very few people have an isolated singular issue .
How can she be a true germaphobe and she’s walking on that filthy floor barefoot??
The Delusion is Real
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I rather sleep in a deep forest with farm animals then in her house
Yeah you can get parasites and lockjaw from doing that, she'd be wearing shoes at home if she actually understood germs.
She doesn't know what "germaphobe" means.
I'm vegetarian. I eat steak and eggs and bacon and lobster. But I'm a vegetarian. Totally, pls believe me, ooh hotdog yum!
Someone said she claims to be a germophobe but lives with the entire cast of Ratatouille. I fell out 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
*The entire cast of Ratatouille* help me LMFAOOOOO 🤣😭😭😭😭💀💀
She lives with alfredo???
OMG I hope I never ate where she worked🤮
Doe this lady realize how much damage she's done to her daughter & her granddaughter, this episode truly made me sad.
Unless they are your pet, mice do not need to be fed. Mice are very capable of finding their own food in nature.
Emphasis on "nature". This is her house, not a natural environment and she wants to make them stay with her because she is lonely so she feeds them. Nothing more, nothing less.
Isn't It Obvious? She's Batshit Crazy. They're Her FRIENDS. Eww. Just....Eewww
@@ronderulijkummar7453 Mouseshit Crazy
Mice should be eaten by cats
@@ronderulijkummar7453 I move mice I wouldn’t want to kill them either
I grew up with a hoarder mom. Luckily I became the exact opposite. Things give me so much anxiety and they make me feel weighed down. So my apartment is practically empty and I like it that way. I never want more things than what I could pack up and move within a day. I hate when people give me gifts and I’m honest and tell them I’ll likely throw it away if I can’t return/sell it. I only want the necessities- basically a bed and a tv and a couch
I like your approach
@bean bag I feel the same as you.
(minimalist).
The real opposite of hoarder could also be a big problem, because an average person want to have personal belongings and if it is a real condition it could make impossible for someone to live with such kind of person, because he or she will not allow to other person in household to possess normal volume of stuff. He or she will throw away most if not all your stuff, resulting in conflict and quarrel. He or she will dislocate your stuff and so on.
Gifts are annoying for me too. Whenever its Christmas I usually ask for money to go towards rent or grocery gift cards
I Agree! :)
I remember this one. You could see the pain in her face knowing she has an illness and fighting it, but losing. I hope since this was filmed that she is in better health both mentally and physically... and that she is in a healthy living environment.
You hit the nail on the head. She was in a true battle with her illness and the pain showed all over her face. Truly tragic. 😔😢
Yeah, I agree on all points. This episode has been posted twice since the pandemic started, too.
@@drfreud65 you mean the Plandemic
@@bluu_ice6554 No, I don't, and any Christian that actually reads their Bible doesn't either. Take your politics elsewhere - my faith is in God, not any politician.
@@bluu_ice6554 please dont politicize the vaccine. It labels you as a joke and will age as bad as post 911 comments on newgrounds
All those papers and mice chewing wiring is a recipe for a big fire.
And trailers go up like kindling too.
@@Me-mb1ex so much glue and wood involved with them.
Absolutely. Them calling APS at the end was 100% justified.
Human beings are so complex. This germaphobic/hoarding condition is as fascinating as it is heartbreaking.
That's heartbreaking, I guess Judy felt like she wasn't loved enough emotionally. Bless her daughter, she really loves her mom. I have the same kind of problem. It's a tough life.
Whenever I feel the burden is to tough, I think of others who have it worse.
The toughness is created on the empty place, you are not bombed,like people were all round the world by your army, obviously you are not hungry and never have been, you just create dirt all around. There is no pity , there is just disgust. And that nation is willing to teach the world how to live
A friend who goes to school to be your carer is a real friend. My mums applying to be my carer and home help. I can’t afford the 60+ an hour per multiple carer multiple times a day every day... so I really understand how much a carer, especially someone you’re familiar with already, matters.
I feel so bad for her daughter and her granddaughter
The granddaughter said, "We can't force her to do it." Actually, you can. You just call code enforcement and adult welfare.
Force doesn't deal with the causes.
Nope. Have you been to a nursing home? Assisted living? While there are rules, I can assure you that hoarding goes on there too. It makes things hard for those giving care and residents. A counselor needs to help her learn where the disconnect and illusions happened.
These videos shouldn’t encourage me to clean this much😭
That’s exactly why I watch them
Of course they should!
This is exactly why I watch them, to motivate me to clean and keep everything going
Excessive cleaning will make you sick too. Find a healthy balance. Therapy might help with that. Good luck.
I said and felt that "Wow" @11:43. The love, patience, empathy, and self control required are beyond me.
I had adult protective services called on me. Where are they now
I can’t help but think this poor woman’s own mental health causes such harsh inner turmoil. More than a “normal” hoarder’s inner turmoil. One aspect of it wants her to keep everything, the other aspect wanting it to be obsessively clean but her hoarding side wants to keep too much so there’s really no time to do what the obsessive compulsive side wants to do. That’s got to be exhausting. I hope she was able to get the help she needed.
She never got help. Even at the end of the episode it said she was re-hoarding again. She needs mental help, without that she will never get better
She doesn't want it to be obsessively clean. She is just phobic about germs. Not the same thing.
Hoarding can definitely be OCD, it really can take all forms.
@@judylloyd7901 I think she considers people to be the germs? Is that correct?
When I saw her bare foot on that floor. Heck no 🤮
Yeah, at first its really 🤮
But at second i'm also a little more worried about infections if she accidentally have an injury.. i mean not every body has health injurance..😨
This is exactly how my mum is. I was exactly the same as the daughter. I really hope she manages to make a substantial change through therapy, cos my mum still is in denial.
My mom was like her too. She kept every little scrap. She and my dad would get into arguments about it. When she passed away, we were going through her stuff and we found a full box with nothing but old receipts for the 1980's.
@Keri Cougar - sounds like my mum too! She died last year and my sister and I are trying to clear the house for our dad and are surprised with the amount of stuff my mum kept! My dad is really liking it being tidier, although he loved my mum so much - they were married for over 50 years!
The full episode states in segment that she finds some her friends “low lifes”. That very segment stated, too, that a friend gave her a mattress to sleep on. She won’t sleep on that mattress cuz that friend is what she calls a “low life”.
A low life, though? I mean, has she taken a look in the mirror?
And here I was thinking that she was a nice person with an extreme case of ocd. Guess I was wrong
@@Alucia0 nah. She’s just a narcissist.
They shouldve kept those lines in this one. It would really change the tone of the episode to show Judy looking diwn her nose at the people who try to help her.
@@EustaBAracer exactly! She’s looking down on what was provided when she can’t see how she’s living is far from perfect.
Yes, she says people who take the bus are low lives, and she only accepts ride in cars from her friends. She has to spray the seat and sit on a plastic bag, because the friend's car isn't sanitary enough to her standards..yet walks around barefoot in mice excrement and trash. She is conceited, self centered, and a control freak who is ungrateful.
I have binged these short hoarder episodes and this is the WORST case I have seen. You can see the desperation in her eyes that all her stuff is about to be gone. The excuses she was coming up with. Astounding
That stuff kept her company, that stuff kept her surrounded and that stuff kept people from wanting to come into her home! Obviously if the stuff left she would feel even more alone and then people would try to come in. I think that right there is a key issue that has been missed a little in the comments I have read. It doesn't appear to me she wants people to come in!
I have a fascination with these Hoarders episodes, but after watching one or two, I have to follow them with a couple of episodes of My Favorite Martian. Being able to laugh at the antics on that show help deal with the frustration, sadness, and, in the end, happiness and relief when hoarders begin the path to normalcy.
This is the strangest germophobe situation I've ever seen.
One of my sons is a germaphobe- and yet pretty filthy in his personal habits. I don't know HOW it 'works', but somehow it does...
As someone with an autism diagnosis, and a bit of a tendency to collect (that I fully realise is really a hoarding problem waiting to happen)- I'm always amazed that autism isn't more talked about in hoarding documentaries. IMO, a large percentage of the men and women featured in these programmes would qualify for an autism diagnosis, and it really seems to be this unspoken missing puzzle piece that really should be investigated and acknowledged before this issue can be successfully overcome. These people talk about mental health issues, and OCD and other problems they have- but ALL these things can be symptoms of, or co-morbid to autism. Until this connection is made, I doubt that most of these people will 'recover'. They don't just need therapy, they need the RIGHT KIND of therapy.
She’s a lost cause, call somebody and put her in a home, nuff said.
Agreed! Because it obvious that she is not competent at all. Thank god the first three years out of mom and dads when I was in adult foster care I really learned what it means to be competent. I learned a lot to the point that I am completely on my own without a social worker
@@sinbadoakley1990 are you okay with out a social worker.❓can you do this ❓ without any help ❓ gave him a you got the skills to survive ❓ I'm concerned about the children born in the world of the obsessive or hoarder. Can your over come This child's world of possessions over people ❓
Light a match. And be done ❤️👍
This poor women is just waiting for her day. Hopefully she gets some help and moves on to a better environment. Truly a sad story.
nobody is a lost cause, and being put in a home isn't the end of your life. You're clearly a child.
This reminds me of a psychologist that said that there are times people come for therapy and it is found they can't be helped until they gets medication or other medical situation is taken care of. You have nothing to work with until they can try to remedy the cognitive issues or dillusions that are clouding reality. She has a lot of OCD behaviors. I feel for her and the people trying to work with her.
I would feel sorry for her, but she is truly an awful person. On the full episode, she called people who ride the bus, or men with beards "icky, dirty, low-lives." She is as disgusting as her own house and deserves zero sympathy.
She’s delusional. A true germaphobe would prefer sleep in the garden than that house.
There is no such thing as a "true germaphobe" because it is all in their heads. This is the same for this case. In her self-made reality she is a germaphobe, including the fear and methods to deal with it.
Anyone, germaphobe or not would prefer to sleep in the garden
This woman needs to be removed from her home and out into a place of safety where she is given help with daily living.
They’re so patient it’s Just Saintly
This is really really really simple it's the same as families who try to deny their relative is a drug addict.
we called in the professionals to do what we couldn't do and the person still refused so you know what it is what it is in the end you still really cared you had them committed they're still housed instead of dead.
I've never heard of a germaphobe that's a hoarder. It doesn't make sense. 🤔🤔. This is a hard episode to watch. I've seen it before.
I think it all falls under the umbrella of OCD
I am a germaphobe and cleaning is very very challenging even though I know I like things clean.
@CrazyCat Lady Ty for explaining this to me.
Love this comment and the responses. Genuine learning and sharing ❤️
@CurlyG65 Your uneducated comment was not needed here and not welcomed. Take your attention seeking comment to a more toxic place in the other threads. MmmKay..thanks👍
@CurlyG65 made a perfectly valid point
This motivates me to clean my junk drawer 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Well, we had a house fire several years ago and learned that stuff is just that, stuff. We all go out safe, kids, me and pets all out safe (apart from my fish, *sad*) I was lucky enough that I had just backed up all my important photos onto a hdd that was right near the front door which survived. The cleaning guys got that for me when they went in. You can replace your stuff but you can't replace your loved ones. This lady needs to see Stelios man. She seriously had something happen to her in her childhood that makes her have these obsessive ideations. Much therapy is required for her to work through it, definitely not a good idea for her to live on her own.
Never have I wanted to see a house burn down more than this one.
“I’m a germaphobe”
I yelled at the screen, “no you’re not!”
😂😂😂
I wanna see some follow up episodes... I don’t think it’s easy to move on from this.
Corey and Matt should've been on this job. She needed BOTH of them.
No ma'am there's no way you're really a germaphobe living in that.
Your telling the truth
Exactly
How can a person be a germaphobe and live with hundreds of mice pooping everywhere?
Some people are more germaphobic toward people than animals.
@@alir9929 Makes no sense. Germaphobes are worried about germs touching them in general. Being human or animal makes no difference. They will not let you touch them in anyway, shape or form. I've met a few germaphobic people before, none of them would willingly initiate contact unless there was a shower or restroom around so they could immediately wash their bodies or hands afterwards.
Man.... i get it. I hate having to kill mice when they get into my house. I dont even have a hoarding problem and i know how bad it can get from neighbours not taking care of garbage and stuff. But to actually feed them??? She’ll never get rid of them now.
I thought you guys made a huge change to her place from what it was. It would have been pretty jarring to go from being so crowded to empty spaces
Not surprised with the outcome. There's no way they were going to truly make any progress towards addressing the hoarding issue without also addressing her very obvious OCD and anxiety issues. They clearly go hand in hand. She can't just let go of the papers, not just because she is a hoarder but because she also has an obsessive compulsion towards them. Showing her that the bin lid has germs despite her "sanitizing" it, isn't going to teach her anything because, it's not necessarily the presence of germs as to why she wants to clean stuff, but because it is an obsessive compulsion. When you have OCD, it's basically like being held prisoner by your own mind. Most of the time, you really don't want to have these habits and do these rituals, but you literally cannot help it, you can't seem to stop yourself. It's like you are a puppet and the OCD is pulling all your strings, forcing you to do these things. I have dealt with OCD pretty much my entire life, so I know how it feels. And it is not easy to manage or control the compulsions. To this day, I still have the compulsion to do certain things, but what I have learned is to manage it. To be aware of what I'm doing and to take active steps to get myself to pull on the reins, to snap myself out of it. Been working on it for decades, and I think I have about 90% control of it, but it's still not 100% and it might never be. You literally have to rewire your mind and it takes a LOT of time and work. They were not going to be able to make a dent in Judy's issues in only a few days.
You did an amazing job! I understand how hard it can be especially when people come in and just start touching everything and throwing things out. God bless you for the effort you put forward! I pray you are able to continue to heal and as you heal your home will show it
She's one of the craziest I've seen on this show!
Oh then you missed the lady who after working hard to clear out her hoard, looked straight into the camera and stated she could now see who's been living in the hoard and she could finally prove there was someone living in her home when no one believed her and she couldn't provide evidence. This was her motivating factor in getting rid of the mess - paranoia. 😳
@@AStri-zg5xc can’t forget knife throwing Rick too lol
@@kris.tea.p I have to look that up
@@AStri-zg5xc Which episode was that?
@@AStri-zg5xc the paranoia is based of extreme anxiety. Hoarders hoard for lots of reasons, feeling safe, prepared, it can be a distraction from the anxiety itself,
On a serious note - the cleaners should have understood her panic better. One solution would have been to take pictures and videos of all items and demonstrate to her that she loses none of the stuff
@CurlyG65 facts
Hoarders need the burn their houses
There is a camera man there recording all of her "possessions."
Hoarders always describe their homes as, "Cluttered". There must be a better word than that!
Cluttered must sound more dignified than stuffed to the brim with sh!+
A euphemism for confusion and chaos. "Clutter" sounds like a sweet little old lady with too many knickknacks.
More like a horror show!
Yah, it's called filthy
I don't believe this woman remotely qualifies as a germaphobe. She would not be able to live like that by choice otherwise. I honestly think it's just a defense to living like she does. Another excuse.
"HIIIII!!" AHHHH!!! Get's me every time!
According to this info I read from the Michigan clinic, hoarding can exist on its own or be a part of another mental illness. The most common mental illnesses found in hoarders is depression,obsessive-compulsive disorder,obsessive compulsive personality disorder, and attention deficit-hyperactivity disorder. The contradictory behaviour makes sense.
If this is how laws operate the laws are wrong. People who are mentally ill need to be cared for. It's a problem so solutions need to be found. When a person gets to this state trying to reason with them will not work. They are unreasonable. Someone needed to step in and help a long time ago.
I have so many questions....how is she a germaphobe and live with nice and filth? This is obviously a mind thing someone please keep checking on her!
Hoarding is always a "mind thing".
Phobia: "exaggerated, inexplicable, irrational fear" - Merriam Webster's
This woman needed extensive help before they even tried to clean out.
cory doesn't push her but works with her and i think that's a gift . i think she can trust him.
i'm going to guess that somebody had an abusive step family, which is why she is nice and feeds the mice.
What would really help Judy with her paper obsession is if she started scrapbooking then she can cut out all of the stuff that she likes glue it into ONE book and look at it for years and years. I do this too because i also have problems with hoarding.
She is not going to do that. She hasn't got around to reading the magazines, let alone doing what you suggest. I appreciate it works for you because you are probably on top of it and your house is probably not like Judy's house.
Imagine being called a low life by that. Like lady I’m not a germophobe but you couldn’t even enter my house. Spray Lysol everywhere this lady went.
What an amazing daughter you have! I really hope you both are doing well
I was thinking that the daughter is amazing. I hope she is okay.
Yes! Her ability to directly and firmly communicate with her mother was impressive. It's rare to see this in these shows.
I know it’s less dramatic and suspenseful, but why aren’t these people ‘treated’ beforehand so that when the cleaning process begins they are let go of most items?
Therapy while cleaning clearly doesn’t work
What a horrible disease. This is so sad. She has beautiful children. Bless them.
She needs long term therapy first before the cleaning crew can even attempt to do anything. Otherwise it causes more trauma and the hoarding continues and maybe gets worst. You need to treat the underlying issue before anything else happens.
I always think with the hoarders they should have them close their eyes. Whatever they can remember and ask for can be set aside and everything else is trashed. If they miss it they can get a new one
This has given me clarity because I am diagnosed ocd and have germ issues but I also am not the cleanest person and it hasn’t made sense in my head. I’ve questioned my diagnosis But this helps
She is not a Germaphobe or she wouldn't be throwing mice food she be freaking out and loosing her mind and cleaning non stop
She took food serving to another level. Perhaps she would enjoy working in a food kitchen
How can you be a germaphobe when you live in filth and feed germ infested mice ? Lots of psychological help needed there .
Hoarding exists on many different levels and is more common than we realize. Do we collect items or are we hoarding. There seems to be a fine line.
I think that, unless you are a minimalist-- most of us have a little bit of hoarding in us BUT I always say...If I can ride a skateboard through my house then I can live with that!
Germaphobe that has rats that’s a bit confusing...
Edit: just noticed that it said “ Mice” not “Rat”
She not
I’m a germaphobe with pet rats
@@alir9929 yeah pet rats those are rats that got into her home
@@iil0v3ccats_ It’s still pretty close to the same thing. Same species most likely, they do the same thing, and can carry the same things. Just one is in a cage and another is free roamed.
Also I’m about half way through the episode but I only see mice
@@alir9929 just realized that the caption had “mice” not “rats” 💀
This is so sad. I think there are a few reasons for her hoarding, but this is just a guess:
- Control. She has nothing in her life that gives her a sense of contribution and validation. She is overweight. The only thing that belongs to her that she owns and she can do what she wishes with , is her hoard of "treasure"
-Sunk cost fallacy....she thought she was a clever and astute finding and buying all of these things on sale or collecting them. She gets a rush every time she scores a deal, biochemically her brain rewards her with endorphins, which only happens after repeating the experience time after time. It's learned. *Her life savings are in that house - she can't quit now, or she loses any value in the items* and if she admits she's wrong, it means admitting to herself she wasted all that time and money on something that was never going to make her truly happy
- Protection - The hoard is often allegorical. She is literally building up walls and a maze to keep the pain and naysayers out. She walls off part of her mind and heart because she has tuned her inner voice out, so much so, she has lost the rationale to cope with this. She is threatened....and what do animals do? They fight or take flight. This monster has a hold of her. Look at her eyes, as they are glassy and like she's not actively listening or she is busy coming up with an excuse or an explanation. In her mind, she's being cornered and it's the rest of them who don't understand the value of things. Hoarders don't trust outsiders. The family has probably bothered them for years, so she;s stressed every tine they speak or she avoids them, so there is this inherent defensiveness and anger, but now it looks like she's being ambushed by professionals.
-Grief and loss. Some hoarders lose that special someone or a child in their life and it's easier to plug that hole with things, so densely that she will never have to face it. It's retaliation for the people that bullied them, or abused them or called them crazy.
The daughter crying and realising her mother cared more about trash just decimated her. She just wants the best for her mom and the best way to put it is that it's almost the same as the movie The Exorcist....Reagan was possessed by an evil spirit. Now this woman is not a demon, but her obsession is holding the rational part of her down. You see glimpses now and then of the old her, but just like the movie, the kids of the hoarder wonder if it's really her, or is she telling them what she thinks they want to hear in order to get rid of them. This new her, the hoarding and dismissive her is much stronger than the real her. Hoarding her is better because she gets to do what she wants, is able to hide the pain and root causes and issues and be in control of something. She's afraid to face the old her. And like the movie ? She needs a professional in order to coax the truth from her and learn and teach her how to have the best of both worlds.
Whew, sorry that was long, the show really hit me and I just felt awful for those kids.
You bodied this
@@hmrnsam94 what does that mean?
@@Bigbaymonstermare you really broke it down from a macro level and I respected it
@@hmrnsam94 ahhh..gotcha- sorry! And big thanks ❤️
I guess the problem in some of these cases is that people need to have counseling for extensive period of time before the crew can come and help them. This particular lady needs a psychotherapy, extensive one. Maybe in several month she will be able to let go of stuff. I think that many hoarders after this program return to their old self and get to the same state in their houses pretty fast. You can't just come and clean for them and everyone will live happily ever after. It should be a long process before, hoarders should actively participate in cleaning and then making their house right, and keep therapy for quite some time after before they can safely go on their own.
I'd have to call adult protective services.
That tall guy is very patient
What a shame. They gave her an opportunity and she did not accept it.
She is obviously very sick. She will not get out of this alone and she need to go to a home where they take care of her. Unfortunately, that’s the reality.
Lmaook she puts on gloves yet shes barefoot 🤣🤣🤣
How is she a germaphobe when she lives in a house FULL of it??? that makes no sense
She probably has not taken a shower in a couple decades.
I feel so sad for the daughter!
Man the house is filthy asf 🤮🤮🤮
But you do know it’s not her fault
@@jessicaosullivan9274 who's fault is it lmao
@@jessicaosullivan9274 Yh chill
@@yassin2471 ye but she can’t help it being a hoarder
It’s especially nonsensical to live this way if she’s really a germaphobe
My mom is a self professed “germaphobe” as well. However she takes steak knives and picks at her skin. She has thousands of open gaping sores all over her body. She gets off on letting them scab over them picking the scab off. But yet she washes her hands 50 times a day. Then apples hand sanitizer, she won’t allow shoes in her house, won’t allow me to set my purse on a table. She is constantly telling me to wash my hands. And if we go out to eat she tells strangers how she is a germaphobe. She seems oblivious to the looks she gets right after she says that. People’s eyes dart to the bloody sores covering her entire body that she makes no effort to conceal. Just makes no sense
Man, that must be hard for you to see that, good grief!!
I am a germaphobe, to a point, and I will have to say,. I don't allow purses,or any type of bag on my counter or beds, either...why? Think about where they get placed... bathroom floors, all over, so yeah, nope..haha...
Wow, do you think she is crying out for help with the picking and telling strangers about her condition?
@@RS54321 I’m not sure . She is severely mentally off . And she abused abandoned all of us kids so I can’t say I much care if she is
@@megalou6567 Oh, that is so awful. I'm sorry you were raised so horribly.
They should have told her to pack a suitcase of clothes because she was going to loose the house. That would have sorted out the hoard problem.
Get her a tablet. She could look at all the articles ever published
The one thing that seems to ring true for all of these hoarders is extreme selfishness
And major control issues.
I don't think she understands what a germaphobe is....nothing about her behavior is a personification of a germiphobe.
8:51: touches face and glasses with gloves that are contaminated with rat waste.
It must be very hard to have to admit to yourself that your parent is insane. But, clearly that is the case here.
she seems like such a sweet person. one of the first persons on this show that I've seen seem legitimately grateful for the help/bad about not being able to do better
I saw the whole episode, she is not grateful at all, and calls other people low lives and she is very stuck up.
They never get cleaned
Mental Health will always be learning process for all....this is one
if she’s a caregiver she should be FIRED
This woman needs so much help. She's got serious OCD.
There is also clearly a lot of emotional generational stuff/trauma going on with all the women being so obese. I hope they all got the help and support they needed to navigate this sad situation and beyond.
She says "I don't want them to die." not realizing they carry deadly bacteria. If she died in there, they'd eat her.
I don't know why they don't just demo the place immediately (or light it on fire).
the mice kinda cute lol
Laziness is a true addiction
@CurlyG65 well said
Hoarding is a legitimate symptom of mental illness. These people need help, not to be vilified.
@CurlyG65 didn’t take long for them to appear. Lmfao
“I’m judy and I’m a former food service worker”
Me, watching: (screams)
This show has gone from helping people who have filled their homes with stuff, to exploiting people with severe mental issues for ratings. I don't know how the producers live with themselves.
So sad it's obviously a kind of illness
She is clearly very sick. It's so sad
3:58 Ok, Why would someone throw a perfectly fine looking full bottle of water into a heap of junk far enough that it’s out of reach? WTF? This lady is messed up.
She’s a sick lady. Very sick 🥺
I’m so glad the psychologist called APS. She was not capable of making sane decisions. I’m proud that my partner is a psychiatrist.