Are Hashtags Segregating The Alternative Community?
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When you Google Goth, Gothic, Alternative, etc you see a sea of white. Even when you type black Goth, black Gothic, poc Goth, etc still a good amount of none poc people.
Haha that is so true. I run into that often myself.. maybe it’s because they are wearing black?
It has to be I've tried googling it but I may find a handful
@Altoid Bazingá yeah, there are a hell of a lot more white goths than goc.
Rain Alt Model True
There's more white goths because there are more whites in general. Non-white goths are also discriminated against by other non-whites. They are criticized for "acting white" and are alienated in their own communities.
"Back in those times in the 90's"
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
*FAINTS AND TURNS INTO DUST*
Hahaha my feelings exactly!!!!
Man...I really miss the 90s! Like....soooo much. Btw, this is random, but in high school, I always wanted to date a goth. I’ve been with my fiancé for five years and I just learned this past year that he was goth in high school, 😂!
I get really happy when I see people of colour in the goth/alternative communities because it breaks stereotypes for both white and people of colour. I've heard some pretty awful things like "Goth is White". To me, goth/alternative is for everyone and it looks awesome no matter race, gender, etc. I can also see both sides of the argument and why people feel the way they do about this. But like you said, back in the 90s, you guys didn't really get to see each other that much, but knowing there are other people like you in the community would bring a heightened sense of comfort and community.
One of my close friends comes from Kenya and she listens to metal and appreciates goth fashion which I find really cool! She wouldn't class herself as goth or metalhead but she is darkly inclined. She's more into Otaku and anime.
Well first off. I love Anime!! And I can see both sides of the argument as well. But I do know how it‘a more important for a person to not feel alone then it is for me to care about being put in a box.
Fetetechini Alfreydu There's a big metal scene in Kenya and Botswana.
I agree with you. We actually had to carve a space into some of these communities because we were always regarded as outsiders in SO many damn ways. From all sides. I think the differences in opinions on using the hashtags and terminology are probably generational. These new babybats are growing up SEEING black and other people of color alternative models and whatnot. It was nowhere near as pervasive when we were growin' up. They may find it divisive or strangely redundant without all the context. Great video! Definitely shared.
Right! I remember when I did alternative pinup modeling there were no black models on the website suicide girls and they accepted my application but I didn’t go through with it. It was just weird to me because I couldn’t have been the first one to fill out an application.
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EXACTLY!! We are ALTERNATIVE for a reason! There isn’t supposed to be a set look, it’s just supposed to be “alternative to the norm” when did that ever entail skin color? Y’all who claim that there’s a set look in this community don’t have the right to call yourselves alternative lmao.
Also Marie, I just came here from your Kai video just exploring your channel and I’ve got to say you’re super cool and seem so sweet yet also very strong when presenting arguments and you just seem like a very genuine creator (which god forbid is quite rare on this platform) so thank you! You’ve earned another subscriber and I look forward to your growth!
Thank you so much Elise! Yes, I don’t want to feel like I have to put on a show or a uniform for someone to deem me alternative. When people argue about what Goth is. We reach the agreement that Goth is a MUSIC based subculture. Not what shop you shop at. Not what skin tone you have. Everyone can listen to music.. if I’m not mistaken.
I totally understand where you’re coming from. When I was getting into the scene I literally searched for black goths/alternative ppl to get their views on the subculture and have some type reassurance of, ‘hey we exist’
And that’s why I made my video, because I know that there are pros to having the hashtags around.
When I was in school I definitely had more hispanic alternative friends than black alternative friends, but of course not as many as white alternative. If talking just goth I knew about 5 (including my sister, lol) and two people of color. But social media was just beginning in those days, nobody even knew the pound sign had a different name, so it would have been much more alienating for alternative poc because you wouldn't be able to search for someone like yourself. If a hashtag helps someone make a connection then it's alright in my book
I like to see people of all colors in the alternative community but when its 90% white it does get old because alot of people look the same and have the same style. And it would be the same if it was 90% black or Asian or Hispanic. The hashtags should go away if it could be a mutual melting pot but realistically that won't happen so yes we still need them in a way.
Oh lord. I was all about the vampire freaks and yahoo chat rooms-that was the ONLY way to find other brown alternative people. I was more in the punk/death metal scene -And I’m from down south. I literally have stories about shows being klan meetings. 😬 It’s still a lot of tokenism in the metal scene but better than it was in the early 00s.
I get kinda annoyed when my experiences are invalidated by younger poc goths because they didn’t live through and be in highschool during peak Manson/columbine era and don’t know how different it was being “othered”.I was that kid that used to get severely bullied, had to change schools, accused of worshiping the devil, etc-and it wasn’t until I hit about late 20s to actually meet other alternative poc in real life. My friend group was white males for the majority of my life.
Ashley Tyler omg that’s crazy and I totally understand it. when I was teenaged black metal head who also lives in the south, albeit not Deep South culture, there were many a shows I had to research to make sure they weren’t just nazi parties/ klan meetings.
s jor crazy right-That fear of skinheads was very real.
@@ashdacraft I'm in texas, shits still a fear girl 😂 also I was a HUGE vampire freaks lover lol but as I got older I kinda drew away from it when I got more into my horses. But I still love the alternative and goth ect looks. 😍
LMAO you're not old, I'm old. I'm 56, no tattoos, only earlobe piercing and I'm a rock/metal kinda girl who has always been fascinated by the Goth lifestyle. I've always thought that hashtags segregate us, however you are right about it helping others find their "one of my kind". I never thought about like that but you're right. If someone is new to anything, it's nice to see someone willing to share their experience to help them out. I'm not Goth and I appreciate it 😉 I'm a little disappointed that the color of someone's skin is an issue in an alternative movement though. I honestly thought it was like you said, welcoming and inviting to anyone who was outside of the "norm" - which by the way doesn't exist. There's nothing normal about normal sometimes 😂❤️ The way you're living your life is closer to normal because you are living as who you are, you are your truth and I have mad respect for people who are brave enough to be who they are and not be concerned about others opinions. Other people's opinions are not your problem 😉❤️❤️❤️
Let me tell you something. I absolutely adore the metal community. They know how to start a party and be chill individuals at the same time! Hmm I knew there was something awesome about you!
I’ve been in the goth/alternative scene for a long time now, and despite being only 28 I have witnessed some pretty wild racism at clubs and shows and online. Some white goths and white alt people have a really bad habit of gatekeeping as if being white was the only correct way to be goth. There’s so much more to being goth than having pale skin! It’s a mindset and a lifestyle and anyone is welcome to join the community!
Goth looks good on everyone in my opinion... it's so customizable and sexy and fun.... there are no rules.... anyone with any features or skin color or hair type or whatever can rock it and they do! I was always a little weirded out growing up that there wasn't really a lot of representation in the alternative community for non-white people... and even less representation the darker people's skin became. I am always so excited to see more diversity being shown in the community! Less homogeny makes the style so much better :)
One of my favorite bands, killswitch engage, had a black singer. Made me so sad when he had to quit for health reasons.
I don't think people meant it in a condescending way "ohhhh you're so CUTE here!!" I think most people are honestly happy and excited to see diversity and poc at shows and shit, I think they're just poorly expressing themselves.
Julianna H5782 i think what she meant was that it sucked that people felt the need to point it out regardless of intention, y’know? Like it probably felt like a reminder that she was a minority in the community.
Howard just did a song with the band and they're going on tour together, hopefully they'll do the song. It gives you goosebumps.
@@elise.2436 that feels shitty, sometimes. I'm not a metal or emo type girl, but I love some of the music. So many times, back in the day especially, at shows the raccoon-tailed bitches would give me the dirtiest of looks and talk the most gate keeping of shit 🙄
I'm glad she pays no mind.
@@nitashajohnson4767 you just made my night!
I am 37 and alternative with some piercings and face tats I totally understand what you are saying it is so true 🔮😍🔮😍🔮😍😤😤✨
People of color who happens to be in that category ..
I get the same thing when I go to concerts. I always loved goth/alternative style and being a metalhead I felt I didn't belong bc I'm black. There was a time I would try to be "normal" to please others. I remember finding poc goth models on Facebook in middle school and being surprised to see someone who looks like me. It took me so long to love myself. I'm 21 now and finding channels like yours makes me happy. Bc of the poc hashtags I gained more confidence and learn to not care what others think. 🖤
Well number one, I’m so happy you have been able to reach that point where you enjoy being who you are no one should feel ashamed to express themselves. And I appreciate you watching my video and sharing your point of view!!🖤🖤🖤
I'm white and not in the whole goth thing just yet, but you made so many good points and straight up told facts. I also LOVE seeing people of color in the goth/alternative communities, and it makes me happy seeing such variety. But it sucks how apparently goth is just a ""white people thing"" when various cultures in other countries adopted the goth aesthetic and made it their own but still don't segregate it or limit it to one race.
I have no clue how it’s a white thing when it’s a music based subculture. Lol I love when people bounce back and forth between what goth is lol
💀Hi 💀, I understand. As a black goth and a metalhead guy I never got any disapproval from anyone except for my mom, but after years of fighting with me she just gave up, and let me wear it. She said I can't wear it when I'm with her, or when I have appointments so the doctor doesn't look at me weird, but the doctor said I dress cool he even played some metal music at my dentist appointment lol 😂 I'm a black goth guy and I'm happy. I'm asexual so I'm not attracted to people, but I did once see a nice looking goth girl wearing tripp pants with the chains, and the handcuffs on the sides of the pants, and she had the black platform shoes. She was so nice to me and my mom, she worked at a Petco. I consider myself asexual, but have a small very small attraction to guys. I like to be the small goth guy and have a taller guy hitting on me lol, no but I've been hit on a lot because I have dimples, because I'm short, and because I'm goth. Mostly by white men, but more black men. But idc I'm 25 I've been goth and a metalhead since I was 14, my mom said I thought it would be a phase by now, I said nope, not a phase 😕. I get compliments on my clothes, but weird looks at the same time. It's always annoying that I'm starting to hate ppl, and compliments I do get, I don't accept them. I honestly don't care for attention I find it highly annoying.
Some of us have been very lucky to not have gone through severe bullying by our peers and cultural communities. I’ve had friends that went through the worst things, but thankfully have been able to come out on the other side proud of who they are. I just want to make sure that I can be around for those who feel alone and misunderstood 🖤🖤
You mean you're asexual but homoromantic. You have no sexual attraction. But romantic or admirational attraction towards males
Peach Quartz No I have neither. I found out that I'm aro/ace.
was the girl who worked at petco dressed up like that while on the clock? i might need to apply there if they let u dress how u want lol
skeet ulrich yes she did. Everything. The Tripp pants, and the Neptune shoes.
Girlllll!!! You sound like me! I was always a black girl into the rock and alternative scene....it was so hard and rare to find others like me and when u find it u stick like glue🤟🏾💋
Lemme just say, as a brown goth I’ve dealt with a lot of shit from others for not looking like a “traditional goth”. In result, I’ve slowly isolated myself from the alternative community (in my local area).
That’s so bizarre to me. People have to understand that things do evolve. If they didn’t.. we would have the goth subculture.
I think you’re absolutely right. I like using alt poc hashtags and whatnot because they are intentional - helping other alt non-white people find each other and see themselves. I also like using as a hint that I am proud of my identity (mixed race) and that I am pro-black, which is important to me to demonstrate (I make art and I see this as a tool for shaping my audience as well)
OMG I used to get the same thing when I went to concerts.
Everything you are saying....all of it....I agree. I do not mind the hashtag, for it is how we found one another.
Right! As I see it, use it or don’t. Not a requirement
@@MarieMunsterful Exactly!
(first of i gotta say Girrrl you gorgeous) and i gotta say regarding the hashtags i agree with you, although im white i struggle wirh finding someone to relate to as well and those hashtags help to... specify (?) the search. the problem i believe is when specific hashtags get used for clout or fetishes (looking at 'grunge' or 'big tiddy goth gf')
Hahaha the last one is a gem!
Girl same for me. I felt the same way when I was younger and I found out about Kpop. I was the weird black girl watching anime and listening to "chinese" music.
As an ex full-time emo (now part-time😂), I did have the worst experience with my black peers. They didn’t get it and didn’t want to, luckily I didn’t change under that pressure. I’m lucky because my mother never bashed me about it and even tried to show an interest. My experience was a mixed bag.
Hash tags are a tool to find threads on Instagram etc but we shouldn't define ourselves by them, they just help you find things online. They're great but we shouldn't just put ourselves into tiny boxes, we're all so much more than labels. Great video, have a great Christmas ❤️🖤
Heavy Metal Momma definitely! I think sometimes us humans tend to like to categorize and put things in order, but we are definitely more than just a label or hashtag.
I for one agree with you. I think a huge reason why I never followed through with becoming or identifying with goth culture was because I didn’t have that support system, especially living in the Caribbean. I had one friend who I could relate to but we when we did try to do our thing, we would get funny looks in from both strangers and family alike. We both struggled with not seeing Black people being goth and felt like we didn’t belong to to the subculture. Dreams kinda fell through. Seeing more people we could relate to now makes my younger self jump for joy, but I think that bus may have already left the terminal 😅
It's a real shame that more alternative bands fronted by POC arent talked about and I think that's where the trouble lies. Its not going to make POC feel accepted in these spaces if there isnt anyone that looks like them to look up to, it's the same thing with movies, representation is so important.
Exactly. I’ve never cared about who accepted me because No one runs this body and this life and my family adored me so that’s all I needed. But I know that it can be lonely for some. Thats why I like the hashtags.
I'm a juggalo and although our subculture is open to EVERYBODY, it is nice to see juggalos of every background, not just white...
It feels good seeing people from all different backgrounds who are into the same thing.
Awww, Marie, I am just always loving on you and your encouraging messages to people. Keep On, Keepin' On, Dahling! 😼💖
Ok, stop reading my diary. I went through the same thing when I was younger. I mistakenly dated white guys on the scene because I thought they liked me when they really just saw me as a rare commodity, like a birkin. I like the hashtag. It serves its purpose, especially for the younger generation. People need to know they are not alone.
Yes, agree with you so much. I may not be a person of color but my best friend who is has expressed this concern because she's alternative like I am. I also agree with the assuming that we worship the devil ect. Even not being a person of color, people still assume that of me because I'm alternative and have tattoos and piercings. I can't imagine what my best friend has to go through.
Not going to lie, I had this problem when I was a lot younger.
I was into Punk, Metal and Goth Style and music as a kid growing up and I was the only Black girl known to the school that skateboarded.
I was just being me but it did make me a target in school for bullying, now I only dress up on certain occasions like shows and closer to Halloween because no one really questions me about it !
Thanks for this information !
There will always be someone around to question you. Don’t be afraid to be you because we only have this one life to express ourselves and love as happy as we possibly can. Much love!
@@MarieMunsterful Totally agree ! 🍄🌿🍂
'i couldn't do that....but i appreciate you anyways'...hahah SHADE GIRL SHADE.
I'm so glad I found your channel! Tattoos? Yes! Skulls? Yes! Alternative? Yes! Goth? Super Yes! I love your point of view and I agree with it. Cheers from this Italian, old Gargoyle 💖
Thank you so much for the lovely compliments!!🖤🖤🖤🖤
You are a beautiful goth woman ! I am glad you brought this topic up! This is coming form a goth herself!
I’m so happy you brought this up because the community is about accepting everyone and it’s always nice seeing a person of color at shows and meet and greats. The people who have a problem are the problem
I have to agree with you on this completely. It sounds so stupid but if you think about it- when people think of goth they always think of pale skin. It’s definitely segregated but I don’t think it gets much attention. I definitely understand about the #POC hashtag- I can see why some people of color feel like you shouldn’t need a separate hashtag since alt is alt. BUT just like you stated, colored goths (mainly black) are hard to find even here on UA-cam. It’s nice to able to find people you can relate to on a racial/cultural level within the community.
Super unrelated : Idk if you would ever do this but I think it would be cool if you did a video going through your favorite scary books or creepy pasta.
I truly understand, I am an alternative black woman. When I look online to look up whether it's about hair, skin, nose, illustrations, ETc. I will always see the lighter-skinned version of the subject I am looking for, or Asians, Koreans, white, just lighter skin versions and until I get to the second page on Google, that's when I would see someone that looks like me.
It can be a search for sure!
Growing up in the goth culture and being white, there was an lot of gatkeeping against black people amongst my peers (and racism). Being so young, I didn't even think twice about it and actually believed at one point that there were not goths who are POC. I'm so glad the culture is changing and feel shitty that I ever thought that way
But gatekeepers like to say it’s a music based subculture at the same time. Everyone of any color can listen and comprehend music. Thanks for watching!!🖤🖤🖤
Peep those 0 dislikes because this is straight facts 👀 come on like to dislike ratio! Love 🥰
I was a part of my local punk scene for a couple years. Mostly looking for friends bc I’m more your classic emo, and the specific group I ended up joining was the least accepting people I’ve ever met. It took me a while to realize bc they put up a good front of “we love everyone”, “wear whatever you want”, “this is the MOST open accepting place”, etc etc. In reality if you weren’t a perfect straight, white, CIS, punk who’d been in the scene for years you were treated as lesser. They were also fine with letting a Transphobic guy be friends with them, talk shit about me, and actually steal my backpack! (I’m trans ftm). As much as I think we want these places to be open and accepting to everyone there’s always gonna be the most power in the ‘socially normal’ people’s hands. It’s no different than anywhere else, even the LGBTQ community has huge biases.
Eww! It’s so dull and boring to be closed minded. Life must be such a drag to be worried to much about the uniqueness in others. How hateful and mediocre. Sorry you had to go through that. Ps I adore the emo kids lol
Im so sick of all this toxic gatekeeping within the goth and alternative scene. I still struggle to find and make friends in the scene :( i went to a goth night at a local club in my city (i live in NZ, not many or any goths in my city lol) was having a fun time on the dance floor swaying like a little creature of the night to Stigmata by Bauhaus. Afterwards whilst chilling outside in the smokers lounge i was getting stared at up and down and ignored any time i tried to interact.
I’m not punk but I was raised by punks so I’m thankful for the attitude towards idiots that they gave me lol
I REALLY appreciated this take on the topic.
I can not imagine the audacity of someone approaching you at a show and calling out your color, and calling it "cute???" Jesus, awful.
I always loved being in the alternative community beCAUSE it's for everybody, and color never seemed to matter. But I mean, I suppose prejudice is everywhere.
Hell, just being an actual goth/metal woman as an adult is unusual. So many women grow out of it. I'm happy to have found your channel, happy to have a new well-spoken grown up elder goth to look up to. 🖤
Yeah, at my high school of nearly 3K people, there was only one black alternative person, & he was more punk than goth (this was the late 90s).
Yeah must of my alt friends were punk in high school
I was always dark inclined as a kid. I didn't meet another girl of color that loved fishnet gloves as much as me till i was 14. Still friends 14 years later. And we both are still goth inspired. I identify as "lazy goth mom" where I still wear all black but literally take zero effort otherwise lol
💕 i love this for you guys!!!
You are so right...! Not that many poc people back in the day before internet to relate to and talk to!! 💓
Just getting into your channel but I just wanted to share my love and support. I came from a small town community that was not very ethnically diverse, so I didn't have a lot of interaction with people outside my own ethnic background until I came to university. And it was through a mutual interest in alternative culture that I bonded with my first friends outside of my own ethnic background. I found that that shared interest made it much easier for us to bridge the gap and come to respect and understand each other's differing perspectives. I hope that in the future that these shared areas of interest can continue to bring people together and help people understand where each other are coming from and embrace the whole spectrum of differences out there. I don't really have a place to say much with regards to the hashtag thing, given my pasty white butt fit pretty well into the whole scene thing, but if it helps people find people they can connect with and relate to, great, imo. The beautiful thing about the alternative community is the fact that it embraces differences and encourages us to embrace who we are.
I don’t see a lot of POC in the alternative world, so it’s nice to see POC embracing the fact that they love being Goth/Emo/Punk/ Whatever The Hell.
The only person who’s also an alternative POC that I watch is SomeBlackGuy (Yes, that’s actually his name on YT).
I think in some sort of far future a LA star trek, perhaps poc and other hashtags won't be necessary, but while society is at this stage of integration and acceptance in general, it's gonna be needed for a lot of communities.
I'm a new subscriber and I love your videos!! I wanted to share something I was told once by an older metalhead. He said, We are all family here all are welcome.
Thanks for subbing. Happy New Year. That’s how it should be. We can be different yet the same. And as an alt community we should be embracing those differences.
I love your energy❤️❤️❤️
I'm just so in love with your channel!
hugs, its ok. i dont care what "color" you ae. its just skin. and i accept your differences, just like you would too. lots of love support and love here!
Also! To add to what you're saying, WE ARE NOT SEEN UNLESS WE DO IT OURSELVES. That's with everything. For example, black kinky/curly hair wasn't becoming normalized until we normalized it ourselves. The same thing can be applied to the hashtag. I look at other like myself for inspiration and I would not have been able to do that without the use of those hashtags. Don't get me wrong. I still enjoy seeing other goths and being inspired by them, but there's a different sense of happiness and inclusiveness of seeing other POC goths that also make me feel seen.
I am not un thw goth scene heavy but am in the punk scene. Ive had thus conversation with poc in the punk scene too and I've found its really split. As far as me, I loooove that hashtags and I love the subculture within the subculture of POC. I love the punk scene and relate a lot with my scene and I love the black community and relate with them much as well. That being said there isnt a huge overlap, at least where I live(in Denver). U have had a couple bands and make it a point that my bandmates or other poc bc I know we connect and understand each other on another level.
I think the hashtags are v important for ppl especially young ppl and I think its important to have at least some friends that understand from first hand existence being an alternative poc
I agree it still is very hard to find people of color that look like you. I had one other goth POC in high school and maybe one in middle school but that was about it.
TheFieryEarthWitch I had friends into the punk scene mostly and my one goth friend I’m not sure if he was Mexican and white or just white lol
@@MarieMunsterful I've always noticed when i was the only one but it seems the more the years go on it became more noticeable because people would point it out but back them for me no one really said much
I grew up in this tiny village in Ireland, and was one of the only alternative kids there. People thought my friend and I worshipped the devil, the priest actually came to my mother's house to 'Express his concerns'. I moved first to Dublin, then to London and feel far more able to be myself... but without the internet and places like VampireFreaks, I would've felt so alone as a teenager.
I’m really sorry you went thru that sweetheart
You’re wicked awesome and gorgeous
Subscribed, your awesome 🖤🖤🖤
Watched your video on Kai, now I’m binging the rest of your content, freaking love you insta subbed
I come across Goth POC on Instagram and that always makes me happy.
Hey girl hey! I feel for you so much on this!
Thank you and hey!
i’m glad i found your channel (:
I am too!!!🖤🖤🖤🖤
The sad part is that the alternative community is that you should like support and respect others because it's just it should not be some sort of segregation I find that absolutely awful considering that until now I thought the entire community was just about like relating to others and the fact that people are judging other people based on the color of their skin is absolutely awful in my opinion ♥️♥️
Finding ppl who look like you in the subculture that interests you is revolutionary. Finding the Afropunk documentary in highschool was life changing it was cool seeing all these non white kids being part of all these different subcultures looking up Black pll in different bands etc like it was nice. Representation matters its about like you said finding people who relate to you culturally as well. Being the only non white is lonely esp depending where you live. The hashtags matter. I'm dark aesthetic inclined I like seeing Black ppl in all sorts of scenes even if I'm not part of it. Its cool and the # make it easier to find ppl who look like you interested in what you like.
Damn, you look so young to be pre-netgoth days! Anyway, I hashtag my photos #maturegoth and #eldergoth and sometimes #disabledandgoth because I think representation within the scene can make goths feel less alone. With goth advertising being primarily young skinny abled people, you'd think that's all there is to us, except it's not. I cannot speak to the black experience but I imagine that's what you are also getting at.
Thank you but I’m in my 30’s lol
MarieMunsterful Well you look like you're in your 20s, then agsin us goths do avoid the sun muahaha 🦇
Emily Rachel Gilley I actually sleep during the day and work noc shift lol so pretty much!
you were my inspo as a kid
Wowww your make up has improved so much just since this video!! Kill it sis😍😍😍
It’s actually about the level of laziness lol tyyy
I rant about it all the time on my Instagram that goth and alternative should not be about race or your natural appearance. Even being white and pale I had goths tell me I couldint be blonde and goth or that I wasint skinny enough. Safe spaces for poc people are good! It doesint explude them from "white goth" contributors cause those hashtags are there bring people together and I think poc people have a right to bond and connect. You can use more then one hastag, pocgoth and goth. I'm thinking of making a video on goth and punk and lgbt culture as a rebellion against the white colonialist norms and bring examples of poc conunities using it to bring back the power they lack in modern society. Thank you for making this video.
My best friend in high school was African American & went to shows with me.. almost killed a b**** for telling her "blacks cant be punk!" But then again in high school the African Americans made fun of her too, cuz she didn't listen to rap or r&b...it was bad but she kept true to herself...f*** 'um, right?!
This was back in 1999 & 2000, btw
You are BEAUTIFUL 🖤
I'm alternative and black and I don't care anymore that I'm the odd one but not in the community. If the community won't accept me by saying OK she's alternative, race nowhere, then what am I to do? If the community is there let me be in it, I've had a hard time being black and alternative in a predominantly religious area.
Okay but namjoon
I know this is an older vid, but those earrings are 😍 i always wonder cos you have some the best ear jewellery! How comfortable is it having stretch and dangles in them? Im male wirh stretch and wear rings through my tunnels. But not sure without the tunnels to support them. You raise a great point on this! I dont like the poc thjnf myself from a white pov because tbh i feel it a bit seperatist. But i think your comments on it are absolutely spot on! I'm glad the community has you Marie! Edit: what was the song at the end of the vid?
The Dangle doesn’t bother me at all. It feels more comfortable than wearing plugs and etc in my opinion. Thank you so much for your comment. I understand about the separation but at the same time for those who feel misunderstood and isolated, I think tags are great for them. Also the song is in my description
*hides my face when you mention BOTDF* I was young! And stupid!
Hahaha listen. I brought one shirt just because jeffree Star went on tour with them so by association I’m just as guilty
U are beautiful in every way💕💕🖤
I got happy when I see poc alts! Yeah, elder moth it is. I think both are ok. I like empowering others as well as becoming one! Goth bless!
See I have the same issue as a punk/rock kind of girl..I'm more alternative tbh but still I don't have a community for me an it kinda really sad.. cause i can't be me cause my whole family judges me..
I grew up in San Antonio, TX and we had/have plenty of goth poc. We didn't look at color, we bonded over our mutual interests. Trust me, if someone would have had a problem with someone's race, I'd put them in their place. I don't deal with racism, there's no room for that crap.
Yasss! As it should be!
MarieMunsterful LOVE your content!! I think the people that make the most noise about things are the outsiders. The people that have no clue what they're even talking about. At the end of the day I always tell people to "do you." Because someone's opinion/ words etc says a lot about them, not you.
Yeah they are doing their way alike weird with tattoos, piercings, clothes, and hairs. I have seem people’s wear. I don’t like to fight with them. I just let them go but if they want to fight with me I say NO I don’t want to fight with them. Just let go. I like nice gothic peoples are good alike you. I know. You know in UK Sophie and her boyfriend are boths gothic together at night. Their men beat them boths but two of gothic don’t want bother and don’t want to talk, and fights with men. It’s very sad Shophie passed away. Men are into jail
for life without parole. Men hate gothic peoples. Men are drunk and laughs. I am agree what you say. I had hard time to understand what you say I am trying. I know it’s hard for me, I am older. I don’t want to tell about my age I am embarrassed. Trust me I am older. 👍😊😘🤟🏽🖤🖤💜💜🙌🏽📱
That’s a sad story!!!
In my humble opinion I feel like certain genres were FORCED onto different groups as a way to split us all up. Like oh only black ppl can be into hip-hop only white ppl can be goth etc. It's a subtle way to keep everyone from getting together and being one big happy human family.
Definitely agree. Music is the rhythm of the soul and you can’t help what speaks to you.
as a scene kid in 2008 with an afro-i would have benefitted so much from being able to find people who looked kinda like me. wouldve saved my hair a lot of relaxation damage tbh
I just thought you were a strong woman with good things 2 talk about so I subscibed. In my 20s & early 30s people thought I was goth or even a bat caver back in the day. I would tell them that I learned makeup & how 2 dress from my Mexican friends back in the 80s. Then they'd look at me funny cause I'm white. I also think it's a class issue as well. Anyway keep doing what your doing.👑
I first started to learn how to do my eyebrows from a friend of mind in middle school who was Mexican. I have scars through my right eyebrow and she helped me out with that! Thanks so much for viewing my video!
@@MarieMunsterfulI work nights.🙋♀️Sorry I didn't respond so soon. The way you do your hair & makeup is beautiful. I just turned 48 & I notice the young people want to label everything. I think the layers of meritocracy want to as well to serve there own needs & make a $. I'm still stuck in the ABC School House Rock of things & don't like excessive identity politics. It jumbles things up from real struggles. Hey but that's just me. I have a lot to learn. There is history of racism in the punk scene. I saw it myself. Had sm goth friends. I was friends with variety of folks & grew up liking variety of music. I like your opinion on the Onision situation. He lives south of me. So surreal in a bad way. My brothers were a lot like him & worse. I feel for those young women & children.
I think eventually we SHOULD be a melting pot but I don't think we're there yet. I feel that it's important for young alt kids of color to feel like any alt subculture is also for them to be a part of, now that there's easier access to the different subcultures that are out there. It might seem like identity politics at first glance but it's really more like "oh you're a person of color and you're into alt music? You're not alone! come on let's get you into some cool bands!"
I’m younger, pasty white, and not completely in the goth community, but I lurk around in it occasionally. From what I’ve seen everyone is separated by more than just race, like the elitists who try to police who and what is and isn’t goth. But I feel it’s kinda... idk, petty? to complain about using the POC hashtag with goth for the reasons you outlined in this video. It’s a way for people to come together with others who share their interests and look like them. Instead of seeing it as something separating the community, we should look at it as a positive that is helping introduce more people to the subculture and focus on what’s really dividing goths.
This was long and rambling, but TLDR: in my opinion using the gothpoc hashtag or others are doing more to unite goths than separate them.
I've also found there to be a lot of subgroups that break up the alternative scene. Like the hardcore goths who act waaaaay too serious. Cough, pretty "deathrockers". I also hate that elitist bullshit still exists in it too.
Dude i feel this shit so hard 😂 its hard trying to be your self even still now and its hard to find that sweet spot , when you get turned down from a job becouse of some one opinions or cant connect with outher family members becouse they think your a satanist (when satan dosent exist) its pretty frustrating to not have people that understand and that are intrested in the same things as you #staywierd
Oh I know what you mean. From time to time I get the “ Jesus loves you and I’ll pray for you” comments lol love that!
i eat and breathe the hashtags. i'm 32..maybe it's an old vs young thing???? maybe you could do that as a part 2..is this hashtag hate a generational thing for black and brown.
also real aol, a/s/l gurlll haha
Haha asl gees haven’t saw that one in a long time! Uugh I’m old
90s? I love you. Lets be BFFs and watch Interview with a Vampire together.
I’ve always been one of those people that if we like the same thing, it shouldn’t matter what someone’s skin tone should be. I’ll admit sometimes it is shocking when you see some one like a black person at a Marilyn Manson concert, but probably no more than seeing a white person at rap concert. In the end, we are all individuals who have their own likes and dislikes.
My goth poc friends are the gothest of all gothiness. 🖤
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Can you tell me what is mean “PLC”? Thank you. 👍😊🤟🏽📱
Poc is people of color
I believe that style and race don't matter like if you're black you can like whatever you like and dress however you want too like it's all cool
But it makes sense that it could make some people feel outside when they mostly see the kind of Goth that's so white that it's blinding lmao 😂🤣
I guess by fashion I'd be considered goth? Idk I just like the look and the makeup. Although while I do like metal I also like other music.
I'm a Native American, indigenous to central america but oddly no one has questioned me for being goth or have made fun of me being goth. Then again I look more Asian than anything else even though so that's why I don't get ppl giving me weird dirty looks. Then again I live in a different time that you grew up in and I live in the UK where race isn't seen as much of an issue here.
Although my very traditional adoptee dad says the gothic boots means you're a butch lesbian 😂
i have been goth since before it was cool so for the last 30 years and i thought the whole point of goth was to be different
As I'm watching the video there's 666 likes and I don't wanna like it cuz it perfect
(Edit) just saw a couple mistakes in my spelling so I fixed it
_was a botdf fan_ 😄...😅
Oooooooo boy!! The pretty edge lords hahaha I adore the scene kids. They were like pretty em is with more confidence lol but some where too hardcore edgy for me
@@MarieMunsterful I totally understand not gonna lie those few coocoo ones made me stop listening to their music lol
I’ve noticed this too. I love the alternative style but when you look it up you only see very pale white people.