Is The Best Flight Performance Enough For Toptier? MiG-29 Apex Predator
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Fuel: Max tank + droptank
Ammo: Air targets
Missiles: 1 R27T 1 R27R 4 R60M
Countermeasures: Depends on map Flares priority or flares only
Convergence: 600 meters
Vertical Targeting: No
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“The aim-7f is basically a carbon copy of the aim-7f” thanks DEFYN lmao
“The missile of all time”
the missile knows where it is
@@buhosunicolas8334 because it knows where it isn’t
The missile didn't know where it was
I could never guess it
2:26 "The AIM-7F right now is pretty much a carbon copy of the AIM-7F" 😂
That makes a lot of sense 😂
Big if true
man is spitting straight FACTS!!
He ment aim7f
@@lilMungo AIM-7M, but yea.
12:24 Gsh-6-30 is gas operated while vulcan is electronically operated meaning you have to shoot first for the barrels to spin, that's where spool up time comes in
From what I've heard from former crew/maintenance workers, and even pilots, the vulcan actually doesn't need to spool up at all.
It's also hydraulic, pneumatic and electronically powered.
Dry spooling gatling guns make no sense, they should fire on trigger pull. After all, they have round chambered just like any other gun.
As for "gas operated" part, that just means that they are started with explosive charge and have limited amount of trigger pulls.
Spool up time does exist, but the Gatling Gun should start shooting immediatly but take time to arrive at 6000RPM
Yes, Vulcan can shoot as soon as the trigger is squeezed
Yes, Vulcan has to spoil up for a second
The thing is tho
If the cannon isn't spooled up beforehand, the first shots are made at a low fire rate, which rapidly increases to the nominal value as the barrels spool up.
Bruh the BR ceiling is still 11.7 I don't care
Yeah, I thought they were bumping it up to 12.3, but I guess suffering brings in more money.
I like how in the devstream the dude say "br decompression is coming" but what we get is a fucking f16 and mig29 at 11.7, while every other br get virtually untouched what a joke gaijin is nowadays
@@IJN_Guy I'm just surprised it even went to 11.7, I expected it to stay 11.3.
@@banyanyas839 Untouched? More like compressed. MiG-21Bis-SAU goes to 11.0, MiG-19s to 9.3 etc
For real
The gameplay from 10:20 until 11:40 is a prime example of what is broken about Air RB. How you're just engaging and disengaging enemies who are blowing up all over your screen in this massive furball. You're not "in" the furball, but you are. It's so ridiculous to see planes like Phantoms and Mig 29s in situations like this, it makes no sense. Idk how to fix it bit it's the reason I have such a hard time just always playing Air RB.
*edit*: Still a great vid once again tho Defyn!
Yeah every aircraft has its advantages and disadvantages but where every match is a furball fight, every other aircraft except fighter plane is bassically dead instead of making the gameplay better and enjoyable gaijin just said "fuck you here the new aircrafts grind it with our "new" premiums so you can get it faster", i love this game been 2 years since i wished they would fix their gameplay loop but every updates is a massive disappointment
The main problem is that the more about realistic missiles you make the game the more real life combat tactics you need to apply. But those where not designed for massive 18 plane fights in a single 128x128km area. For example main BVR tactics messing with situational awareness, dissapering from sight by getting out from an enemy radar scope, cranking to bleed the energy of real life missiles terrain masking, etc. Don't work when there are 5 planes within missile range around you, that's why dessert storm was such a domination even if both sides had the same aircraft and missiles NATO just had 5 different planes shooting from different angles at the Irakis after they got out of their AA bubble.
War thunder is just not able to manage a balanced BVR game without becoming a second DCS
Bigger maps would fix it but average monkey brain wt players like the furball gameplay
@@popmordiscos Yeah my fav missile kill that I've ever gotten in War Thunder was me in the Phantom FGR2 vs an F-14 WAYY off to the side. I launched a sparrow from about 12km out, he launched a pheonix, and I actually had time to crank! I never lost lock, I got the kill and dodged the missile, it was easily the most interesting missile kill I've ever gotten. The only thing needed was to be 20-30km away from the furball to have time to actually execute the crank properly. I saved the replay. Out of all my top tier games, that is still the one situation I want to replicate but you just can't. It was full blown DCS and the WT radar mechanics actually allow this manoeuver, but sadly the game design makes it hard for the average player to learn these things.
@@banyanyas839 What is so hilarious about this is that the game mode is so butchered that they had to give the best missiles at 9.7/10.0 to the strike aircraft, making it so that around those BRs, you can have A10s/Su-25s ESCORTING YOUR HARRIERS AND MIG-21s because they can joust and the fighters can't. It's so dumb lol.
The solution to the missile problem you’re describing IS to make it more like real life. Gaijin should add electronic countermeasures (called infrared jamming). Modern missiles are too strong for flares, so they invented this.
I don’t think the MIG 29 had ECM until later variants. And the B.50 F-16 doesn’t even have ECM other than the ALQ-184, which is obviously a radar based jamming system not meant for IR jamming.
Jamming isnt modeled in DCS but you think gajin will add it to war thunder 😂😂🤣
@@wunderwafelek9740 it... it isn't?
@@jakeman147 They noted in the dev blog for this one that it has ECM suite rather then extra fuel in the area behind the cockpit.
Americans are not ready for this, they cry when neded.
I love how the music started to cut in and play over Defyn's rant .. Almost felt like you could have just faded your voice out as you kept listing the older OP planes ! Either way cant wait to see you in the F16 as well ! GG
17:02 they also nerfed midmap AAA in prop tiers which is a very welcome change(not sure about airfield AAA tho).
i remember a game where our team lost 2 planes to those things not even 2 mins into the match. me being one of them,2-3km altitude going 380ish km/h and that was at 3.3 as well lol
the same day i saw a guy saying the aa got half their team beause the map was too small to gain enough separation from those things
@@shahramtondkarmobarakie1824 it was very annoying (almost unbearable depending on the map and Br)before the nerf, the red areas where almost literally no fly zones, and If you even thinked about flying above a AAA emplacment your plane would be totally yellow with a burning engine with no time, so Glad that they finally nerfed.
Airfield AAA is still the same
Airfield aaa is and will always be the way it is
Hey Defyn, the changelog says something about A6M Zero changes, I didn't notice any difference but it would be interesting to see a new zero vid, if you need a break from top tier.
When a company starts to listen to CCs for advice on balancing its a death sentence
You killed this plane and top tier in the process.
Yeah I've started hating defyn even tho i loved him for so many years , he is a biased crybaby just like the ither content creators
@@WeebLord69 mkay weeblord 😂
@@Janus54 mkay
You really did not watch that video made on the dev server with the R-73 ignoring all the flares an aircraft could throw at it while having ASRAAM manoeuvrability?
@@martijn9568 that was after they were buffed
The missiles were fine, but then for some reason they buffed them
Wtf is wrong with gaijin. They make the r27 completely immune to flares and then update it once and now it's super hungry for flares. How hard is it to make something in the middle
Usa bias.
Whole dev server, mig 29 was dominant. Us fanboys cried about it. R73 got removed. They still cried, so te r27 got nerfed to the point of unusability.
But what with f16?
Every nation, got upgraded f16 with sarh missiles. Best performing plane, with best missiles. Wowow, like we didnt have that in past.... ah yes. F14. Literally i forgot for 1 day. Now f16 claps everything, mig 29 is crying in the corner, and france/germany are thinking about taking the window instead of stairs to go shopping from their apartment at 7th floor.
@Wicked Jaws nah bruh it's not that serious. The r27 needed to get nerfed. I'm just annoyed that they nerfed it too hard so it's basically just a longer range r24 now
@@wickedjaws5400 While I agree, to be fair, the F-16 got ninja nerfed last second and now performs MUCH worse than the MiG-29 in terms of flight performance. Seems like pretty much everyone got hosed.
@@iamishin7675 this update is like a clown now
@@wickedjaws5400 RUSSIA SAFFERS
IGNORE THE KA50/MIGMLD/T80BVM/EXTREMELY HIGH GROUND RB WIN RATE
the devs actually listened to all the bitching and gave everyone what they wanted...
Mig-29 had R-73's removed and R-27T's nerfed.
F-16 got ADF version with AIM-7M's in US and Italian trees
F-14 got moved back to rank 7 so people can grind F-16 without researching attackers.
Well everyone except Soviet mains.
It's not enough. F16 absolutely dominates. R73 nerf was a mistake. RIP Mig29
Have you flown the 16 since it was released? You don’t seem to have.
@@bluemarble5338 it does dominate the mig 29 right now is a joke.
Oh, someone that didn't touch a F-16 gives opinion, cool
@@gansior4744 The F-16 is currently bullying the MiG-29, the F-16's only issue is the FCS system that limits it to 9Gs at high speed
God i love your little rant at the near end of the video, its hilarious and very much true
i think you could also revisit the EJ KAI with its 4 aim 7F and 4 aim 9L
Yeah that things is now just all-all aspect. I mean bad flight performance but i still loved that plane cuz of the radar with AIM7E2's and F's. And with the AIM9L's it'll be actually good. If you are not on the defensive actually that plane can work.
One of best jets right now
I love how the outro music starts as the rant starts to get real. Defyn is the most based wt player i swear.
R-73s got changed as well in the update to more reasonable flare resistance values, so I fully expect the R-73s to be reintroduced to the MiG-29.
Compared to what was on the dev server, I’m surprised to see the MiG-29 in a balanced state (though it still should be 12.0 MINIMUM but I digress).
@@bubblesofthecoast6393 Yeah, very balanced state, 2 good missiles and that's it
Compared to 6 Aim-7Fs on the F-14 with the best radar in the game and 2 Aim-7Ms and 4 of the best IR missile (Aim-9L) on the F-16
It really is a force to be reckoned with, might aswell take away those R-27 from the Mig-29, because it's such a powerhouse and absolutely stomps US teams.
@@Sebastian-yl7nq Let me put it like this. I’d rather any plane get into the game in a worse state and get buffed than something be added in that stomps everyone (like the T-2 or MLD on release).
As for the Tomcat and Viper power duo, I do think these should’ve been increased in br too. Just cause I see one thing as an issue doesn’t mean I’m blind to all other issues
@@bubblesofthecoast6393 spoken like true USA main. UHH i can keep on clubbing with my F-14A and now F-16s yeey. Game balanced.
i played mig29 for 12 hours straight, it's dogshit and bugged to hell, not worth grinding
fuel gauge will bug out, infinite fuel
pitching up will randomly pitch down
radar will randomly track ghost targets even when not trying to lock (No, not TWS lock)
Missiles will fail to warm up for no reason
The actual fuel load isn't accurate to how much fuel your given
You can't turn anywhere above 1100km/h and its ability to bleed speed + horrible acceleration will leave you a sitting duck, go to high to dive on the battle and you get spammed by F14's
literally can't profit with this so I'm giving up and just going back to 9.7
gaijin removes R73 instead of a little nerf, while giving F14 pheonix to ruin toptier for a year
Let’s go MiG-29 content by defyn already!
Damn, Gaijin somehow managed to polarise the discussion about top tier even more with the removal of the R-73s and the addition of AIM-7Ms to the F-16. Why does everyone constantly scream US mains this, Soviet mains that? It's madness, that's what it is.
The cold war never ended.
İts because gaijin clearly favors usa but morons just die in superior planes so they still think russian bias exists.
7M is literally carbon copy of the 7F right now. And it's only difference is the inverse monopulse seeker on par with the skyflash
@@josephrosenbaum3343 doesn't matter , still better than anything everyone else has.
Aim-7M is basically Aim-7F, don't cry Russian Main. MiG-29 always had to be worse, if it was done correctly
Those afterburner flames are so huge
Ah yes, the missle is a copy of itself. Thank you for this life changing information.
12:00 IRL the minigun and vulcan (not 100% about the russian versions but I'm sure they're similar) don't actually need to spool up because it starts shooting as soon as it starts to spin (although it would be lower RPM for the first 10 shots or so). I think there might be an option to spin without shooting but not sure what the use of that would be. Forgotten weapons did a breakdown of it if you want the proof
literally the only gatling cannon comment that has any hint of intelligence...the amount of dunning-kruger with this vulcan shit is hilarious.
The combat in top tier post Rank 8 NEEDS to be more about energy retention and jamming the turn rate of the missile in a dogfight. Right now the gameplay is just about finding the person who isn't paying attention and that's it. Sneak attack, run if someone spots you, keep your distance, no actual interesting BVR fights because the missiles are so freaking different per nation, either they're great or they're trash.
Out of curiosity, how many games do you usually play before you get the good ones you use for the video?
USA mains cried and they get to keep their easy top tier clubbing with F-14s and now F-16s. Why they nerfed R-27T to shit? And why they removed R-73 after overbuffing it to the point of ridiculousness?
I'd love to see a J6K1 revisit, especially since it has been buffed recently
Well, let me be that guy that supposed to tell you about Gsh-6-30. Cannon itself doesn't use electric drive to spool barrels, it uses good old gas operating system, and initial spooling is done by the pneumatic system with a compressed air baloon. Considering this fact, spool time should be quite fast, and pre-spooling not required. And, well, Mig-29 only uses a single-barrel version of a 30-mm.
Have you tried out the CCIP for guns? you have to enable it in Air Battle Settings > option/gyro_sight_deflection. It seems unfinished but I think they have the right idea with the implementation.
CCIP = Constantly computed impact point.. stop using words you dont know in context with something you even know less about
The shit is glitchy I'm confused what it is supposed to do
Isn’t the CCIP for ground targets? It’s on a bunch of planes already. The Harrier and A-10 come to mind
dont use the gyro sight thingy
@@cloaker7237Many 4th Gen jets have CCIP for air to air engagement as well. With a radar lock you have ranging information so the computer can calculate lead.
You're absolutely right with altitude basically being equal to radar locks in top tier. The difference in playstyles I have when in my F-5C vs my F-5E is huge. In the E, I stay nice and low to the ground most of the time, but in the C I'll soar up to mid to high altitude so I can scope out players. Sure, sometimes I'll still get locked in the C, but it's usually easier to survive a radar missile in 10.3 than it is in 11.0, given top tier radars are harder to notch. It also seems like some of them really don't care about chaff. The E is also rough because I'm consistently the lowest br jet in the full uptiers. It absolutely shreds in downtiers tho.
Currently, it's a literal beefed-up MiG-23MLD in every aspect, but still not a game-dictate plane like the Tomcat, which is unfortunate but understandable, considering the platform.
BTW, nice vid as always.
Should have added the R73's but a little less flare resistant than the AIM9L. I hate how US gets 2 rank 8's while people bitched and moaned on the R73's
@@TheLastApplePie shut the fuck up and pipe down,when the russians got the MLD it changed the top teir experience to the migs favor,i saw countless players get aces,the last time i saw an f4e do that was almost 2 years ago,rhe f4e was king over the mig21s for over a year and they gave you the mig23mld to be top dawg to,weve had our f14 for months and its by far the easiest plane to knotch missiles,not to mention any IR missile should be able to hit considering how hot its engines are,but no the r73s were not needed at all,if they added that the f14 and f16 should have gotten ammrams
There was a community vote to add the R73 and the majority voted no.
@@saltysteel3996 they only voted no because they got buffed to be unflarable in the dev server. Nobody complained before the buff
@@TheLastApplePie you mean the same plane twice over?
End of the video rant hit just right.
The M61 in WT spools up, irl it does not
People in the dev server complaining the r27 is a 2 0p they got nerve three times twice and the dev server and again right before launch the mid-29 flight model is weird but this is what happened when people complain and everything get nerfed into Oblivion this also goes for the F-16 but so far the f16 is doing a little better even people need to stop complaining and just let the game develop and I also feel your DEFYN pain on being team killed I've been team killed 12 times today also think to make 23 MLD is a whole another monster with the r60ms I'm getting three to four kills a game with it sometimes I'm also liking the f4j with the helmet sights
While I mostly agree with your points about missiles, I do feel like some missiles should have a bit more flare resistance, because rn it feels like you only really need 1 or 2 flares per missile unless it's an AIM-9L, in which case you might need 3 or 4, so if an enemy sees you launch a missile, all they have to do is press the button and they live. They've made missiles so flare hungry that it becomes literally impossible to kill someone with an IR missile if they have flares and can afford to watch you constantly, for example if you're the last guys left or you're very isolated from the main furball.
Don't get me wrong, I don't want missiles to be like the second dev server R-73, nowhere near that, hell no. Just maybe if R-60's would need 3 or 4 flares instead of 1 or 2, and AIM-9J's, G's and H's needed 4 or 5 so it wouldn't just be "I turn my afterburner off and press a button as soon as I see that red diamond, then I automatically survive".
And even if this doesn't get implemented, at some point missiles are going to have to become more flare resistant, otherwise we'll be flaring AIM-9X's with 4 flares, and what's the point of having such an advanced missile if it barely performs better than what they used in 'Nam? (Slight exaggeration, I know, but still)
8:30
"You can't look everywhere, you can be an absolute owl on Adderall and just spin your head seven thousand degrees, you are still going to be missing some angles" LMAO
2:25 the Aim7 F is basically a carbon copy of itself
Gsh30-6 is gas operated, unlike american vulcan or gau guns. It was a cheaper, and in theory more reliable option. Mainly cheaper tho. It was chosen, because there was no widely available electronic rotation mechanism in soviet union, so thats how it became a ship defense gun. Then, it was adapted to a plane, thus problems with recoil.
Mig 27 was plane that wanted more firepower, so it took the gun
A10 was gun that just wanted to fly, so it took the plane
If you click on the people in the hangar you can throw snowballs at them or make them dance
Can we soviet mains get a somewhat flare resistant missile for once, aim9l's don't see flares so what the fuck?
We cant have that , american mains and content creators like defyn don't like that. He was the one to argue for the removal of r73. He said muh balance when i tried to tell him how shit the r60m is.
Cry more, comrade.
Dropping throttle and flaring will spoof a 9L. This is day zero of a top tier jet that isn't a brick with engines having 9Ls. Give it a week, and you'll have your precious insta-kill R-73s back.
@@nercksrule no need to mock me with that comrade shit, we dont need the r73, and yea your aim9 l bullshit still does not counter it unfortunately. Youl have to llay against it to understand it seems. Atleast reverse the r27 nerf thats all. Seems like you are a troubled kid without a father figure to be angry that much because of a comment
@@nercksrule i do drop my throttle to 0 and spam flares while turning, either aim9L is bugged ot it is semi flare resistant.
I don't know how you're spamming flares but if you just pop with no interval in between then there's your problem you're leading it to you
The way u fly is awsome I feel so jealous while watching...
loved the speech at the end
And people were making fun of when I was actually using proper arguments for why the Mig-29 should be added with the R-73s, as they were on the first Devserver.
But nah, people just pulled out their stupid overused jokes a'la "Haha typical Russian Main" and "cry more"
_God I love this community, has to be one of the most toxic communities out there._
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If they add r73s they would need to buff magic 2s unless they capped r73s at 35gs too. Magic 2s are the most modern missile in game and severely underperforming yet no one talks about it. Same with the 530D even tho its already rlly good is underperforming as well. Only Russia and US is talked about. Kinda of annoying tbh
@@sinxsideways5900 R73 were already nerfed when they first dropped on the devserver, r73 irl can pull 50gs and ingame it could pull 40, the problem was the flare resistance.
@@canaldopau7226 magic 2s can pull just as hard and have even more flare resistance than r73s. Its the most modern missile in game yet they were gonna add the r73 as leaps and bounds better. All they did to make the magic 2 in game was give the magic 1 an all aspect seeker. Pretty dumb
Any chance at a Yak-38 vid? Its still a brick but its now a brick with 4 R-60s at 9.3.
Oh boy I've been teamkilled like crazy too lol, around 50% of my deaths have been careless teammates.
@6:23 that explosion from the MiG-21 was so satisfying
You’re literally the best WT player on UA-cam
@DEFYN Did you ever think about having a post credit scene? Something like Warowl. With your humor and editing you could drop like a 3-7 sec clip at the end to leave everybody on a chuckle and maybe get more retention.
I think the toughest part of the MiG-29 right now is the radar and the stock grind. Mods are SO expensive, 13000 from tier one, and you're a tier higher than almost everything you fight right now, meaning you earn LESS RP from kills unless you find an F-16, enemy MiG-29, or, god forbid, a Tornado.
On top of that, the F-14 is still the king of BVR, but lordie, if you can get past the Phoenixes, you are a terrifying thing to fight. Also a main target of the whole enemy team because "scary top tier"
Well with the nerfed r27t i cant wait for change the r60m for r73
It's gonna happen soon because rn Mig-29 is just underwhelming. You get clubbed in BVR and short range dogfights R-60Ms are just farcical. One panic flare last second and they go for it. R-60s don't even proxy the enemy in this case.
@@vladimirvojtaml Sometimes i think gaijin just fucks the vehicle so they can justify buffing it into the oblivion later
@@vladimirvojtaml They said that with how broken the R-27T were, they didn't need better missiles, that it was going to be a game of getting 2 kills 100% guaranteed by the characteristics of the R-27 and returning to base. But it is something that ALREADY HAPPENED with the MIG-23 (at least the MLD, and MLA), and it is something that I personally hated, and that the R-24 did not ensure a kill as the R-27 did in the DEV SERVER, now it turns out that the patch is out and they are only long-range R-60.
@@DarkLighting115 they just made R-27Ts same like R-24s which mean they're redundant and also took aways the R-73s. They should've done either or. Not both so USA can keep on clubbing as they did for 4 patches.
6:21 ah yes the good old "make this pencil disappear" move
We're not simping for particular nations!!.. I am just trying to have a working game!.. Well said.
GSH 6 30MM is gas operated while Vulcan is not.
gatling guns should not have a spool up time. The firing mechanism is triggered by barrel alignment it shoots right away it's just slower until the rotation reaches full rate.
Good on ya mate.. tell it how it is 👍
America mains complained enough and now they have 2 f-16s
They always gonna get 2 F-16's. Not that it makes a difference
The motion blur on the antlers is killing me😂
The GSh-6-30 should not have a spool up time because it is not electronically spun, it is gas operated.
What this means is that it will shoot immediately and fire faster over time until it’s at 6000rpm. This does not take much time.
"Source? Passed to developers ignored for 3 years." - Gaijin, probably
@@hubris6567 lol
Source - how the gun fucking works.
Wait does the mig 29 have a rotary gun like the vulcan? I thought IRL it had a single barreled revolver cannon
@@squidwardo7074 yeah, it has a single barreled revolver cannon. GSh-30-1, the MiG 27 has the GSh-6-30 6 barreled rotary cannon.
@@jarebare510 i know, i was just meme-ing but unfortunately Gaijin will just ignore it. I mean Spookston posted documents about M1128 having 10 rounds per minute rate of fire from almost 3 years ago but still in game the M1128 have 7.5 seconds instead of 6 seconds. They just removed the cage finally at least.
Well first off - bloody called it perfectly. Nerfed r27t was inevitable and now the state of the game is unlikely to be much if any different than before the patch. I do hope they fix the code soon and we get to see the r73's as they where in 1st dev at least, without them the plane is probably going to feel extremely lackluster once everyone shifts up to 11.7 being a mig23 2.0. Probably going to be unlocking the mig this week to test myself but i hope r27's are at least on par with r24t's though wont get my hopes up especially from what I've been seeing today. Shame to see something get ruined by peer pressure because people see some shorts and get scared, when 90% of people actually voted for everything to be included but in a *balanced* manner.
With current F-16, it wont be a much problem, its a truck. With missiles, it pulls 8Gs max, usually 7G unless you fall below 700kph. Tomcat will be still better. 29 can compete, if they actually give it normal ACM mode and not that vertical crap and buff that radar a bit.
I would absolutely love to see all missiles modeled as close as possible to rl standards within WT - but unfortunately as it stands rn, with cramped af maps - it is going to impossible to implement without everyone dying 3 mins into every match. We are going to need a few changes to high tier jets in order to accommodate these more modern missiles in a way that isn't going to be anything less than a laughable representation of what they should be. Hopefully we can see some action from gaijin on this front during the coming year and can have top tier continue to evolve. People will need to actually learn how to deal with new threats and will have the space in game to manage them appropriately - something i look forward to a lot.
@@honzavasicek I will manage in it, and im sure many others too - unfortunately i doubt it will be the rule though. Even with a few of those changes you mentioned, its not really going to change the match dynamics. Flight performance only reaches so far in top tier as im sure you know - the ability to thin down the numbers and make an impact before the match gets to the final stages is what matters the most. As it stands right now soviet mid/close range armament could legitimately be argued as plain worse, or at most only even, and long range is definitely worse. While it's perfectly fine & historical the US teams have an advantage in long range missiles, it should also be the case that soviet's get their historical close range missile advantage within this BR. Now this should not be to the real life performance of the missiles rn, but balanced in game so that both teams have a 50% chance of winning on average. Thus, Nato kill more early game, and the remaining soviet aircraft can try to make up the difference in the close range engagements - a nice and balanced game dynamic that is probably not what we will be seeing everything staying relatively the same.
İts because of crybaby content creators like defyn with clout cried so much.
Even with r-73 there wont be much difference. Russia still sucks at BVR while America is the most annoying BVR to be dealing with
Defyn are you going to play with the f16 and do you think I should buy the f4j uk?
weird my mig29s radar doesn't lock AT ALL
I came up with a briliant idea of locking with IR and switching to PD but it didn't work then I saw it here so I tried it again the third time and it just doesn't work for me I instantly lose the plane I was tracking
Defyn? Can u maybe make an explonation guide about radars, notching and chaff? Still struggle to get fucking radar missles off myselfe... Guess i cant be the only one.... my J8 gets eaten so often
Tims Variety makes many good tutorials
@@Texas_Engineer_Mike checked them, not helpful at all
J-8B radar is absolute doo-doo, you can only really lock on stuff that is at your altitude or higher, if there is a single tree in the background the radar just gives up. Aspides are pretty good but even the best fox 1 is gonna suck if the radar goes to sleep because there is dust in the way. Just stick to the PL-5B, heck just stick to the J-7E and grind the F16. J-8B currently is just an embarassment of a vehicle.
The "CL-13 is op" argument seems so far away now. Even at the time, it was called OP because it could go like 30km/h faster than the other Sabres. That was it. A MiG could still win a dogfight with it, and it was stuck with the .50s instead of the cannons. Now we have all aspect missiles in the same BR bracket as those poor Sabres, that they have zero chance of dodging and must stay 5km away from anything that carries them.
Look behind you. There's the slippery slope.
Oh, and about that rant at the end - totally agree and support. Constantly breaking balance by adding new vehicles and powercreeping trough entire tech tree is just idiocy to say the least. No matter the nation, no matter the BR, it is just bad design and should be avoided at all costs.
It's smart design. They keep people playing by making the game horrible balance wise so players keep grinding newer better vehicles.
They also sell the shortcut on grinding.
@@hubris6567 it is smart as long as there is no competition, true. People can't just leave because there is nowhere to go for such experience. Bun it is like building a sand castle on a beach, as sone as a wave will come - it will go crashing down. That's why i really wish that some competitors for this type of gameplay will appear on the market. Massive leave of players will either force Gaijin to change, or pull a plug on a War Thunder.
@@gitgood8509 There won't be a competitor. Not only does Gaijin have a massive 10 year headstart and thousands of vehicles (already discouraging investment), the game they're making (military vehicle "sim" - in heavy quotation marks) is in an absolutely niche market and it's not worth investing. You can see the player numbers yourself in the hangar when you log in. Not even reaching 200 thousand concurrent players across the entire world.
The best you can get is DCS and GHPC, neither of which are direct competitors.
@@araknas3981 We all can hope and dream, aren't we? And 100k for a nieche product is a serious amout of people i'd say. Also, a lot of people left War Thunder because of the problems with balance and predatory monetisation, so that number might be quite bigger in theory.
My personal favorite jet rn 😊
It's good to be back.
IDK, love your content, but this one is kinda mhe... You can lay this audio over any top tier plane right now, and it'll make sense, cause the video isn't about the mig29, it's about the missles. Sure, I'm overreacting a bit, but I want to hear more about what tactics you should use, what are the capabilities of the plane. Say, should I go in 1 circle or 2 circle fight against a F16 (in general)
I have qeustion, in description you said you take flares priority or flares only, Why? is that meaning that Chaff is realy indeed absolutely usseles?
Chaff doesn't work against pulse doppler radar in War Thunder. And all of the aircraft that fire Fox-1s at top tier use pulse doppler.
I have to ask, while flying the Mig 29 have you ever run into a few matches where theres that one or 2 pilots who are up high with you and just tunnel vision onto you with radar missiles cause that's literally every match i play in the Mig 29 when I climb
It's a new plane so they just might be curious.
Me in my F-14 at Angels 20 killing MiG-29s that climbed with my AIM-54s:
*_"hehe phoenix tws data link go brrr"_*
Pov: pilots who don't know how to notch and don't carry chaff
@@jonathanoriley8260 shush the amount of people who know how to notch is absurb,almost everyone knows how to knotch then and the f5e is too good at dodging,we put a shit load of time and effort to getting these top teir jets,i think we all deserve for them to hit
@@GamingCheeto yes cause nothcing and chaffing missiles from a f-14 thats 5 miles and closing with majority of their Aim-7f's will work 100% of the time oh don't forget about the second guy a few miles behind him
F4-E vs MiG-23M was the last time the game was in a state even resembling balance and it was FUN ... then they had to kill it with MLD because we simply cant have anything nice and the trainwreck just keeps going from there on ...
ironically enough if gaijin had taken the time to fix the R-73 that they broke on the second dev instead of outright removing it because they wanted to be lazy, then top tier would be decently balanced right now...
@@notharry_141 no, all they need to do is to give R60M (and AiM9G and AiM9L) its historically accurate first gen IRCCM. there is ZERO need for 50g 40 degree offbore capable thrust vectoring missiles right now...
Pretty sure the MiG 29 has a Gsh 30-1 which is a single barrel, recoil-operated gun.
Hi DEFYN, I got a question. How can I evade F14's radar missile head-on in a F5-c? I'm kinda new to the top tier and no matter what I do I always get killed by those
Get down low to the ground
Fly 90 degrees to them, either turn left or right and dive down to the ground. The radar gets notched easy by targets flying sideways to it.
Aim54 you can dodge by just pulling really hard at 600-1000 meters. Aim7f you have to notch it by flying perpendicular to them, and good luck dodging it in head on
You can't dodge aim-7f's reliably you have to break the radar lock
get lo and try to keep them 90degrees on you
I will cover dealing with missiles soon
I ordered the mig 23ML, hopefully itll be a decent plane to grind the USSR trees
It's good jet unless you a noob
Should have just talisman'd the MLD
Hey you should now play with the two new mirage’s since you said that the mirage pain was finally over :)
For the longest time I was a US main wholeheartedly. I don't have any jets yet, mostly because I played almost entirely AB and you basically have to wipe the entire lobby to get the same RP as a 1-2 kill RB game and I never really cared to do so, but the moment they added the MiG 29 it was over. Russia is now my main tree because if they're bringing in 4th gen fighters, at some point they're gonna add Su-27s. Between the 21, 29, and the damn near promise of a Flanker being added, I can't not make Russia my main tree.
I can’t wait for my f16 to get aim-120s and aim9Ms 😁 Then your Russian tree can go bye bye again
@@nathanskupowski4726 Lolwut F16 already has better missiles than the mig
@@TheOneWayDown I know
Please tell me how to get that decal on your left wing with the sword and wings
R27T should be night unflareable and while insane in the dev server, R73 should have similar flare resistance to the 9L with R60 turning (and should be in game)
But then the USA mains wouldn't be clubbing so hard... And we can't have that can we.
6:22 that gsh-30 literally demolished that mig21
MAWS in top tier jets would be nice. Responding to an audio queue is still responding to something, and you still would need to see where the missile is coming from and react accordingly, but at least you'd KNOW if an IR missile is on it's way to you rather than be expected to look in all directions at all times to be ready for anything and still miss something because we don't have 360 degree vision. It's fucking stupid and un fun right now.
What is the term "notching"? I've heard it a few times.
Flying perpendicular to the aircraft because the way pulse doppler radar works is it using the doppler affect by the target moving closer/farther away (this is why early pulse doppler radars don't really work that well if you are flying at the same speed as the target) so if you move left or right to it it thinks you aren't moving at all so it assumes you are part of the background and loses the lock
The engine was nerfed too. So yeah, no miggas this patch
So basically is not the overpowered killing machine that the US mains were shitting themselves over
Cuz it got nerfed in every way because of morons and content creators crying about it. R60m at top tier is a joke , and r27 got nerfed.
@@WeebLord69 knew it would happen, i just find so funny when they say "phoenix are easy to dodge and 7f to notch" as if they didn't have the best radars in game and also 6 of them missiles per aircraft
it was on the dev server lol dumbasses like you know nothin
AFAIK, The MiG-29 doesn't use Gatling or Rotary cannon actions, it's a straight up short recoil action.
I was talking about the mig27
I've been out turning it sim with the A6E lol
What is the reliable engagement distance for the R-27 on the deck and higher up?
For the R27T 8 KM max range in rear aspect. Front is 4.5KM ish.
Bro I am seeing the last month powercreep getting bullied by this new thing, that scares me... 10.7 is going to be as the 9.7 suffer
The MiG-29 doesn't use a Gatling or Revolver cannon. It uses a 2 barrel system where the cannons cock each other after firing and therefor have no spool up at all.
The MIG29 sid in the dev server because it used the gsh30-6 with a lower rpm to stimulate this one
I was asking about the mig27 because the Vulcan spools up if you turn it on before you start shooting
@@DEFYN Oh i didn't realize you kept talking about the MiG-27 and not the MiG-29. My bad.
No sweat :)
I just wish the the enemy tags would disappear like in ground rb when you are in the air it would make the pid important before launching a missile
I agree. Have tags in arcade. No tags in realistic. Keep sim as it is.
No I think tags are fine they just need to get rid of the distance and what plane it is. Just have their name appear. Also have it like sim where you can see everything about their plane at 300 meters. It would be nearly impossible to find planes without tags and radar
@@saltysteel3996 keep tags in realistic but only for allies
tell me please Where i can find this sticker sword on red background??
"Don't feel like getting teamkilled" feed at 11:50 shows defyn having TK'd an f14 and says nothing about it 😂
Epic DLSS reindeer antlers
I don't know what setting I need to adjust so that my plane stops trying to roll level like it's on high tension springs. It makes turning in a low g turn very jittery and counterproductive.
That's just mouse mode for you. Get a stick.
Have you turned off the low alt assist?
@@gato_capitalista I'm not sure, I'll have a look.
@@keevee09 controls>Auto-restrict control... the ground
@Gato Capitalista cheers, yes it is off. Under controls>roll axis double-click I have turned multiplier nd nonlinearity to minimum and turned on "Keep value for disabled axis". The same with pitch and yaw, it is smoother and slower.
Still super salty that they didn't give this to Germany on the basis that every nation only gets 1 rank 8 aircraft this patch. Well guess what, USA got 2 F-16s and Italy got a Tornado AND a F-16 (deserved as they needed it).
But they give German mains 2 DOA strike tornados. Thanks gaijin 👌
Feel really bad for Germany and Britain players rn
I’m sure they’ll get the mig29 912a next or subsequent patch
You can't be too slow to notch. Being slow makes notching easier. Notching is about minimizing radial velocity.
If you're too slow you can't turn to notch
They had to nerf if... This game is more like a swing... There USA on to on one end and USSR on top of the other... I played several games in it today and i feel there ve been HUGE changes ti this plane missilewise sin the dev server... Which sucks 🙄
USA must stand on top it seems.
I was in a game today, cut tail of a B-239 and that yeet still outclimbed me.... even though I was going at 340kt (risking ripping my wings)
@@brunobautista6316 More like Bruno Autista
@@l.bakker7563 😭😭
@@l.bakker7563 very wise of you... Your IQ just dropped into negative digits my lad
@@brunobautista6316 yeah man... Anyways, im really looking forward to see Mig29UTH or M or any other variant really with r73Ms and r77s at BR 14.GodKnowsWhat.. but for now im staying with biplanes just for casual enjoyment 🙃👌
Fair Mig29 can flare msls with afterburner but F16 not.
Defyn the problem you re talking about in the end is not a missile problem, it s a game mode problem. Air rb at top tier is basically arcade and attracts an arcade audience which is fine dont get me wrong. But part of that community doesnt like maps that have the right size to accomodate this planes and missiles so gaijin goes out of their way to nerf them to keep the game playable. I think they should turn rb into actual rb with larger maps and provide people who like the furball with a mode that puts together arcade and rb player in small maps with different settings for missiles
I would do unspeakable things to only play on the big maps.
@@x_Degurechaff_x I now play exclusively sim for that reason. But sometimes I d like to play rb too, however right now I truly despise it at top tier.
Top tier needs to be 4x4 EC maps with a SL and RP multiplier increase.
You can't effectively use the correct methods of evasion when there's literally 7 people slinging missiles at you.
4x4 will make BVR engagements actually viable and fun too.
basically a dcs mission with war thunder controls, I'd love it
Soooooo add back in the r-73s
i think people are on two sides, one that pushes realism and one purely arcade balance like you, i feel like gaijin needs to come out with statements that tell us what are they looking at, cause they do mixed stuff aswell, we need a clear goal, cause adding 4th gen means op stuff, if you balance op stuff then whats the point of having more advanced stuff if they get nerfed to being basically old gen stuff?
I'm going to go on a limb and say that Defyn doesn't want arcade balance. I would describe Defyn as someone wanting fun realism.
As for what Gaijin is looking at? Whatever they think will get more players to buy premium vehicles and for the past 3-4 years that has been pushing into more and more modern vehicles which means continuous power creep.
@@rainsilent they should have made the f-14b as a premium if they wanted to make money
@@Franseven That could be what happens in the future.
@@Franseven you will never get realism in a furball based gameplay. you want realism you can play dcs
@@samtajik9903 I think a good solution for the current aircraft would be EC battles, with the name tags removed, what do you think?