It always amazes me that when these boats flip, the throttle man rarely cuts the throttle. Qatar was still hard on throttle when it was clear they were gonna flip. Victory cut the throttles and it stopped the boat from flipping. I really don't understand it, and I am an offshore racing fan and know alot about it.
This is exactly what i was thinking it was the slowest flip in history seemed like and the throttle man was oblivious. When the Horizon disappears you might want to back it down a little. 🙄
Seems like it's like riding a wheelie on a street bike , you modulate the throttle and if it starts to flip you can tap the back brake or try to come off the gas
@@hiramrodriguez4323 lol is that not literally every sport. That's a dumb excuse. I just don't think it's as popular. Formula 1 and soccer are becoming more popular in the US now more than ever🤷🏾♂️. It just depends what's popular at the time. Maybe one day.
Wow all these views of this are incredible. Glad everyone was ok tho. Question to those that might know, was the 2 coming so close and taking the air down force or side draft off the other a probable aide to this wreck? Nascar and NHRA are the obvious comparisons with the air down forces and drafts so interested to see or find out if something occurred causing the 2 to go up?
I'm guessing it was the extra air off the front of the lead boat that caused it to go over. If second boat was back a bit further, there wouldn't have been so much air.
The reason for this crash was because Qatar approached the leading boat much too close and when it was midway along the leading boat it came into a zone of the higher pressure air being thrown out from under the leading boat. These boats, travelling at that speed ram air under their hulls and they are marginally stable. That sudden change of conditions meeting a zone of slightly higher pressurised from the bows while its own could not escape as the hulls were too close, caused the incident. Once the angle of attack/ incidence became greater , the boat lifted. The leading boat did not suffer, because her conditions basically remained the same. I wonder if as an emergency a small drag parachute tied to the transom would have saved the day and for normal control a tailplane and a rudder at the back would add another control system if ever the boat becomes airborne, as with rudders and throttle alone one cannot meet control in all conditions or states these fast boats may get into. I feel the pilots should be given a detailed course in the aerodynamics showing the states when these boats are travelling alone, near one boat and when sandwiched between two boats.
Good points. Amazing how the trailing boat was affected by air or climbing the rooster tail of the leading boats. Then the incident with the leaders, all related. I think an adjustable front wing like unlimited hydro use to dump the air that's going under the tunnel and force it over the top of the boats would work on this hull design. It sure does on unlimited. Most of the time anyways. Lol
They need several automatic air pressure barometer sensors mounted up by the sponson bow points that are tied to either solenoid tunnel tabs and or engine rpms. Like the Guardian's are for protecting the engine failures but also from air pressure within the front portion of tunnel to reduce rpms and or speed. All within a quarter of a second though. LOL. GOD Bless
Watch the video of the 8000hp Spirit of Qatar on its 244mph run at Lake Of The Ozarks USA in 2014. This is a "shootout" where the boats can get up to 40mph before they reach the starting buoys. On the first run Qatar's chutes deployed at just over 100mph and they only ran 210. Their last run of the day they were at 150mph and the bows started to rise. Throttleman John Tomlinson(he and Steve Curtis are the two best Stick men in Offshore racing) cut the throttles bringing the bows back down to the water. Driver Sheikh Hassan al-Thani kept the boat on track and radar clocked them at 244mph. I have to congratulate Tomlinson for likely saving the boat and to say that they most likely would have broken 250 if the wind had not caused the forks to rise up. Well done JT and Sheikh Hassan!!
These guys are EFFING NUTS !!! Is it me or does a front "Wing" make some sense here since EVERYONE seems to be going Nose UP and over... Tea Kettle over Ass if you will. If it were me....I'd start playing with a wing up front....maybe even between the two hulls up front? The tech is there....been here actually.... A Gyro controlling a nose downforce wing.... When not needed its neutral.... When nosing up....wing deploys for down force. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? P.S I PRAY these guys walked away from these Horrific crashes.... Going from 150+ to Zero Ain't fun.
For the Spirit of Qatar 95 and Spirit of Qatar 96, Each Race Boat has at least 2 Spare Engines at the Race Sight. The Engines are regular sent back to Modena, Italy for rebuild. By the time The Point of No Return has been reached, in a Blow Over, the Throttles have been longed closed. Therefore Zero Water Ingesting. For a Stuff, Major Engine Damages, since time is so limited to react.
Looked like Koenigsegg came in and tapped them. Even if they didn't touch, the aerodynamic turbulence from being that close at that kind of speed... Bump drafting always puts someone in the wall.
Do you know the name of this boat? I never knew that Koenigsegg sponsored a powerboat, I'd love to know more about how this came to be and I can't find more infos bout it
actually no... in some cases it makes it worse.. The prop's lift the tail of the boat and backing off the throttles drops the rear of the boat even more (turns boat into a sail)..
Cats have a very fine line where you can trim them especially when you get into speeds above 150mph. .the bottom is flat and becomes like a lifting airfoil ..a canard on the front would prevent this ..
I liked how the boat actually flew upside-down in the air for a brief moment. Proves the hull's shape is both hydrodynamic and aerodynamic. Perfect for idiots who can't afford both a boat and a plane.
Why would they not have a wing that pops out at over certain angles Thus allowing it's nose to be flown or trimmed down and stabilized ? (as soon as its auto activated the steering wheel just needs to be pushed forward as in like a plane! the only time the wheel can be moved forward is when the system is activated all other times its locked and the wing retracted ) It would cost stuff all to incorporate and save lives and no doubt more important to them Money !!
it all happens in a nano second. NASCAR wings work after the crash. You're all trimmed out for maximum speed on the edge doing 100 or way more. Then something unsettles the boat like air or water and bingo you over. It's a fine line even in calm water. It's greed that gets you in trouble. The other boat is creeping away slightly you have to ask yourself do I trim more or let him go and be safer. Other boat has more power and is trimmed in a bit more so you compensate by getting more of your boat out of the water and you're gone.
I thought the same thing..a gyro for an rc plane is like $30..it will make the plane super stable even on windy days. Just a matter of having the proper wing and and programmable software and sensors that can read angle as well as rate of angle change...nobody on the planet is faster than a. computer...try ridding a 200 hp motorcycle with traction control...lay it over in a corner and pin the throttle...the computer is fast enough to let it slide a little...just to let ya know you are close to the edge...and than catch it..and do it again....anything to make boat racing safer is a good thing.
You call that an experienced boat driver? I call it a shit driver. The boat's nose is starting to raise and he still has it under acceleration instead of immediately decelerating to stop the boat from flying further. You call that professionalism?
Not for nothing but both these boats had plenty of time for the throttle man to pull back because a boats natural tendency to nose dive when you pull off power is extreme...
The WHOLE point of being a catamaran/air entrapment hull design is to get OUT of the water. On cars you NEED ground contact to go fast, on boats the opposite, REDUCE the friction. By your logic, race planes should stay on the ground to avoid crashing.
It would have to be automated at a certain angle. The whole point of a catamaran is to lift the boat out of the water via air entrapment. Well, and better ride/wave management too. Less hull in water, the faster it goes,....until it's going backwards.
That was intentional. If Ive ever seen one. ID be busier than a 3 legged goat in a ass kicking contest on the dock after that dirty hit.. That was just wrong!! And damned expensive to boot.
It can be done with electronics...I just bought a 6 axis gyro for my rc plane...it flies flat and level even if it's windy...freekin $21.00...I bet whoever organizes the races dont want nuthin to do with it...sick and sad as it is, flying cats is part of the draw...crashcar would go bankrupt if cars never crashed....to me the best wrecks are the ones where the drivers dont get hurt
Knuckle Dragger that’s not permitted - at these speeds everything on the hull must be fitted and cannot move. The canopy used to be taken from the F16 fighter plane
The other boat purposely trying to cut him off. You can clearly see him change his path right into the boat when he sees him coming up from the rear. Thats bs
I must not be understanding correctly what "saved it" means in a powerboat racing crash.....he flopped it upside down!? Very expensive saving it no doubt.
Doug Sogge If you watch a little longer you will se what I mean. The first one flips and crashes yes, but the second boat(towards the end of the film) saves it brilliantly(the blue Victory team boat)
The confusion comes from the fact that, grammatically speaking, your use of "it" should refer to the first boat, the subject of the first sentence, but "it" in actuality refers to a different boat. Just letting you know so you can mitigate any issues in the future.
It always amazes me that when these boats flip, the throttle man rarely cuts the throttle.
Qatar was still hard on throttle when it was clear they were gonna flip.
Victory cut the throttles and it stopped the boat from flipping.
I really don't understand it, and I am an offshore racing fan and know alot about it.
The difference between bravery and stupidity
This is exactly what i was thinking it was the slowest flip in history seemed like and the throttle man was oblivious. When the Horizon disappears you might want to back it down a little. 🙄
Seems like it's like riding a wheelie on a street bike , you modulate the throttle and if it starts to flip you can tap the back brake or try to come off the gas
Come off the throttle too far and too quick and stuff it, a far worse scenario.
"I have a one speed, GO!" - Charlie Sheen
I poured a whole package of Pop Rocks in my mouth once. That was pretty intense
Omg I want some pop rocka
probs made the same sound
😆
Some mighty massive action over there.
Too bad there is so little support for, and no coverage of, this type of racing in the USA, where it began.
It's because it's just millionaires having fun. Can't relate to the general public.
@@hiramrodriguez4323 Billionaires*
@@hiramrodriguez4323 lol is that not literally every sport. That's a dumb excuse. I just don't think it's as popular. Formula 1 and soccer are becoming more popular in the US now more than ever🤷🏾♂️. It just depends what's popular at the time. Maybe one day.
@@BiggHogg870I don’t know anyone who watched soccer in the US. Just doesn’t appeal to Americans like basketball, baseball, football, wrestling
@@slappinsteve3852 and "NASCAR" and Roller Derby and farmnicating, with a greased Pig, in Grandma's Feather Bed.
Cool to see a race with many boats instead of time attack.
Spirit of Norway, Jotun!!!
That was pretty epic. Not saying it was good that they crashed but it was still pretty interesting lol
bro didnt let off at all. said fuck it we riding it out
Side drafting dude needs to get into NASCAR for that to work.
Gooooood vid
One minute you in boat, next minute in submarine...
And before becoming a sub it's a plane.
The throttle man needed to pull back a little bit I know no one ever wants to let off but at least you will finish the race right side up.....
Nice save. Your fired
the ballin level is off the charts
No camels were injured
Canards. You need canards on these things.
As with all racing machines, the crashes are the best part, they really draw the crowds. NASCAR discovered the pot o gold long ago.
Wow all these views of this are incredible. Glad everyone was ok tho. Question to those that might know, was the 2 coming so close and taking the air down force or side draft off the other a probable aide to this wreck? Nascar and NHRA are the obvious comparisons with the air down forces and drafts so interested to see or find out if something occurred causing the 2 to go up?
I'm guessing it was the extra air off the front of the lead boat that caused it to go over. If second boat was back a bit further, there wouldn't have been so much air.
The reason for this crash was because Qatar approached the leading boat much too close and when it was midway along the leading boat it came into a zone of the higher pressure air being thrown out from under the leading boat. These boats, travelling at that speed ram air under their hulls and they are marginally stable. That sudden change of conditions meeting a zone of slightly higher pressurised from the bows while its own could not escape as the hulls were too close, caused the incident. Once the angle of attack/ incidence became greater , the boat lifted. The leading boat did not suffer, because her conditions basically remained the same.
I wonder if as an emergency a small drag parachute tied to the transom would have saved the day and for normal control a tailplane and a rudder at the back would add another control system if ever the boat becomes airborne, as with rudders and throttle alone one cannot meet control in all conditions or states these fast boats may get into.
I feel the pilots should be given a detailed course in the aerodynamics showing the states when these boats are travelling alone, near one boat and when sandwiched between two boats.
Carmel Pule' bbl has o
Good points. Amazing how the trailing boat was affected by air or climbing the rooster tail of the leading boats. Then the incident with the leaders, all related. I think an adjustable front wing like unlimited hydro use to dump the air that's going under the tunnel and force it over the top of the boats would work on this hull design. It sure does on unlimited. Most of the time anyways. Lol
Throttle guy was sipping a latte or something??? Making a sammich??
Flipping burgers
side drafting only works effectively in NASCAR...
They need several automatic air pressure barometer sensors mounted up by the sponson bow points that are tied to either solenoid tunnel tabs and or engine rpms. Like the Guardian's are for protecting the engine failures but also from air pressure within the front portion of tunnel to reduce rpms and or speed. All within a quarter of a second though. LOL. GOD Bless
If its a cat it just needs a wing in front..rc planes have a gyro..even in gust wind the plane flys straight..$30
I would love to see this action off the coast of Jersey or Florida. What happened come back.
The front end of the boat should be a bit heavier so is not easy to flip God bless and keep it comin'
Was that Al Thani at the helm?
Yeah, you see nothing but sky and you keep the throttle on full. Real smart.
Gotta cut that throttle even if it drops you seconds.
Watch the video of the 8000hp Spirit of Qatar on its 244mph run at Lake Of The Ozarks USA in 2014. This is a "shootout" where the boats can get up to 40mph before they reach the starting buoys.
On the first run Qatar's chutes deployed at just over 100mph and they only ran 210. Their last run of the day they were at 150mph and the bows started to rise.
Throttleman John Tomlinson(he and Steve Curtis are the two best Stick men in Offshore racing) cut the throttles bringing the bows back down to the water. Driver Sheikh Hassan al-Thani kept the boat on track and radar clocked them at 244mph.
I have to congratulate Tomlinson for likely saving the boat and to say that they most likely would have broken 250 if the wind had not caused the forks to rise up.
Well done JT and Sheikh Hassan!!
Why don't they back off the throttle to avoid the flip ?
Once you have that much air it's too late with these cats
It’s too late there’s no brakes to slow you down fast enough once it’s happening
Self testing wouldn't find the problem, the racing boat on the side squeeze more air into the belly caused the flip.
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Damn cats are always trying to fly
Didn't know Koenigsegg had a race boat
Jonathan Rodgers
Jonathan Rodgers mister Bord Eeker, was the guy that owned this boat
@@OffshorePowerBoatRacingVideos His name is Bård Eker
Bård Eker was an industrial designer and partner at Koenigsegg at the time. He joined the spirit of Norway team
May i have another view from another angle please
Cheers
At times like this I bet the drivers wished he knew just a little more about Bernoulli’s equation..🤔😳🤣
Rubbin' is racin' !!! Just tradin' a little gel coat.
These guys are EFFING NUTS !!! Is it me or does a front "Wing" make some sense here since EVERYONE seems to be going Nose UP and over... Tea Kettle over Ass if you will. If it were me....I'd start playing with a wing up front....maybe even between the two hulls up front? The tech is there....been here actually.... A Gyro controlling a nose downforce wing.... When not needed its neutral.... When nosing up....wing deploys for down force. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
P.S I PRAY these guys walked away from these Horrific crashes.... Going from 150+ to Zero Ain't fun.
best boats have active areodynamic etc stuff but that just make them go faster. and reach new limits when they will still flip
For the Spirit of Qatar 95 and Spirit of Qatar 96, Each Race Boat has at least 2 Spare Engines at the Race Sight. The Engines are regular sent back to Modena, Italy for rebuild. By the time The Point of No Return has been reached, in a Blow Over, the Throttles have been longed closed. Therefore Zero Water Ingesting. For a Stuff, Major Engine Damages, since time is so limited to react.
well what are you guys take me water skiing dude
Are they Supposed to go upside down ??????
Looked like Koenigsegg came in and tapped them. Even if they didn't touch, the aerodynamic turbulence from being that close at that kind of speed...
Bump drafting always puts someone in the wall.
Do you know the name of this boat? I never knew that Koenigsegg sponsored a powerboat, I'd love to know more about how this came to be and I can't find more infos bout it
@@Clyman974 Bård Eker is an industrial designer and partner at Koenigsegg at the time. He joined the spirit of Norway team for some time.
@@pederstrmKollenborg Thanks for the info! Never knew that.
How many of these boats flipped??? 8 10 ???
If they throttled back a bit at the right time would the nose come down and prevent the crash?
actually no... in some cases it makes it worse.. The prop's lift the tail of the boat and backing off the throttles drops the rear of the boat even more (turns boat into a sail)..
Very risky to go that fast, but I'll bet it's a rush and it's fun to watch!
Se adotassem os Flaps da Nascar e asas com Downforce esses fenômenos poderiam ser minimizados
Chopper pilot: "Incoming"
Reaction time seems to be a problem
rotorwash?
I imagine it was the airflow pushed aside by the other boat in contact that lifted it like that...?
Wouldn't you think they would design an airo foil at the front of the boat to bring the front back down? When it rises up ?
? What is the trim for ? Oh yeah; to keep the bow down!!
Signed: Back Seat Driver
P.S. Stay safe and live long
I always thought hydroplaning was the word to use when accidents like this happened.
Hydroplane is a kind or boat
Airspeed is alive ..v1 rotate😂
Full toga
He called v1 at 100 knots
LMAO
ROTATE
@@peterjensen6844 He rotated alright!
Cats have a very fine line where you can trim them especially when you get into speeds above 150mph. .the bottom is flat and becomes like a lifting airfoil ..a canard on the front would prevent this ..
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Yeah I'm sure boat designers never thought about a way to prevent this.
@@tylerbonser7686 - /S.....
I liked how the boat actually flew upside-down in the air for a brief moment. Proves the hull's shape is both hydrodynamic and aerodynamic. Perfect for idiots who can't afford both a boat and a plane.
Jesus, know when to let off the throttle.
All I can hear, is the Miami vice theme song
why did he not take off the throttle, so slow
at those speeds it wouldn't have dome anything.
So, 2 boats start to get air and 1 boat survives because he eased off the throttle, not surprising.
Blind skipper. Tunnel vision.
Madness I say, mmmmmmmaaaaaaaadddddddnnnnnnnnneeeeeesssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Watched a side-by-side blow over in San Diego bay many moons ago
Immediately, my mind jumps to the Miss Madison and Miss Circus Circus double blowover in San Diego in 1988.
I guess I missed the part where its saved
Who was the second boat that got some air
@@emiliogreenwood8190 That would be Victory. Name of boat. He flipped too but didn't go over.
the save is the boat that did't flip "he almost fliped, was a great save"
@@trevor5290 team victory
was the guys save?
Go to the light.....
😁
Cant trim a cat too to high.. when you get to those upper speeds she will fly..
Why would they not have a wing that pops out at over certain angles Thus allowing it's nose to be flown or trimmed down and stabilized ? (as soon as its auto activated the steering wheel just needs to be pushed forward as in like a plane! the only time the wheel can be moved forward is when the system is activated all other times its locked and the wing retracted ) It would cost stuff all to incorporate and save lives and no doubt more important to them Money !!
+Wombat situation room My thoughts exactly. Sort of like the roof flaps in NASCAR that deploy when they get airborne.
it all happens in a nano second. NASCAR wings work after the crash. You're all trimmed out for maximum speed on the edge doing 100 or way more. Then something unsettles the boat like air or water and bingo you over. It's a fine line even in calm water. It's greed that gets you in trouble. The other boat is creeping away slightly you have to ask yourself do I trim more or let him go and be safer. Other boat has more power and is trimmed in a bit more so you compensate by getting more of your boat out of the water and you're gone.
Wombat situation room ruin boat racing too.
I thought the same thing..a gyro for an rc plane is like $30..it will make the plane super stable even on windy days. Just a matter of having the proper wing and and programmable software and sensors that can read angle as well as rate of angle change...nobody on the planet is faster than a. computer...try ridding a 200 hp motorcycle with traction control...lay it over in a corner and pin the throttle...the computer is fast enough to let it slide a little...just to let ya know you are close to the edge...and than catch it..and do it again....anything to make boat racing safer is a good thing.
Because they aint pussies, thats why.
You call that an experienced boat driver? I call it a shit driver. The boat's nose is starting to raise and he still has it under acceleration instead of immediately decelerating to stop the boat from flying further. You call that professionalism?
Looked like the v-drive cut the car off....and had to know that the prop blast off his props would pack up under the cat...
blackbirdxx928
Didn't see a v-drive. Or a v-bottom. Or a car.
Try again.
Elas anda a quantas milhas por horas e kilometros
Do they Rebuild that or junk it?
Rebuild
Man this is sweet.
Εδώ βλέπουμε ότι κάποιοι πετάνε και χωρίς φτερά λες στο μέλλον να καταργηθούν τα φτερά
When your bow starts to lift, it might be a good idea to throttle back.
Actually clickbait.
Not for nothing but both these boats had plenty of time for the throttle man to pull back because a boats natural tendency to nose dive when you pull off power is extreme...
oh no boat is lifting out of water, what to do? pedal to the metal!
These boats should have a cannard wing that prevented these flips.
The WHOLE point of being a catamaran/air entrapment hull design is to get OUT of the water. On cars you NEED ground contact to go fast, on boats the opposite, REDUCE the friction. By your logic, race planes should stay on the ground to avoid crashing.
Shouldn’t there be a fuel cut at 20degrees from horizontal.
:53 Racin is rubbin...and doing 150mph 360's!
A 360 would have been perfect. This, unfortunately, was a 180.
I believe I can fly. I guess not today.
Tumbnail looked like a blimp. Or even a space ship.
How about fitting an down force wing on the front of the boat
It would have to be automated at a certain angle. The whole point of a catamaran is to lift the boat out of the water via air entrapment. Well, and better ride/wave management too. Less hull in water, the faster it goes,....until it's going backwards.
Cool those rich Arabs can afford it.
That's what happens when you drive an airplane on water. It wants to fly
swear cats always land on there feet
That was intentional. If Ive ever seen one.
ID be busier than a 3 legged goat in a ass kicking contest on the dock after that dirty hit.. That was just wrong!! And damned expensive to boot.
He probably will not bump into anyone else again lol
It wasn't the bump itself, it was the extra air coming off the nose of the lead boat. Too much extra air under the hull caused it to go over.
R.i.p
What about submarine racing......wouldn't be much for fans to watch thou......bahahaha
So id have adjustable trim on front to stop that...
It can be done with electronics...I just bought a 6 axis gyro for my rc plane...it flies flat and level even if it's windy...freekin $21.00...I bet whoever organizes the races dont want nuthin to do with it...sick and sad as it is, flying cats is part of the draw...crashcar would go bankrupt if cars never crashed....to me the best wrecks are the ones where the drivers dont get hurt
Knuckle Dragger that’s not permitted - at these speeds everything on the hull must be fitted and cannot move. The canopy used to be taken from the F16 fighter plane
The other boat purposely trying to cut him off. You can clearly see him change his path right into the boat when he sees him coming up from the rear. Thats bs
Who was at fault?
It was his fault for getting in the boat.
@@billyjohnson1009 lol
Why would you not avoid the other boat. The right side boat drifted into him and lifted him up. Idk man was that on purpose
Who wants to race a boat that will at any given time just become airborne and land upside down...
Up. Up. Up. And away
No V bottoms i wonder why 47 apache any day
I don't get it. How did he "save" it?
Les Qatari regarde, finance ou ce prélasse devants leur smartphone pour regarder un tel spectacle ?
I must not be understanding correctly what "saved it" means in a powerboat racing crash.....he flopped it upside down!? Very expensive saving it no doubt.
Doug Sogge If you watch a little longer you will se what I mean. The first one flips and crashes yes, but the second boat(towards the end of the film) saves it brilliantly(the blue Victory team boat)
Victory team saves his boat, the blue one in the back he caught some wind and slowed down.
+Doug Sogge At 25 seconds you see two boats pointing skywards...
The confusion comes from the fact that, grammatically speaking, your use of "it" should refer to the first boat, the subject of the first sentence, but "it" in actuality refers to a different boat. Just letting you know so you can mitigate any issues in the future.
and that is supposed to be racing?