Besides ZOS not listening to us they actually implement negative changes that nobody asked for while ignoring problems that have set message boards on fire year after year
As a content creator myself, I completely agree with everything you said. However it will unfortunately fall on deaf ears just like previous attempts with godzilla and others. Zenimax has been doing this for years now. They won't listen nor change. The game will die soon enough
Leave it Adam, there are other MMORGs and RPGs which are waaaaay better than spaghetti code ESO. Poe 2 dropped, you got TnL, New World etc. I even left it for New World cause it’s 100% better than ESO. Just leave it behind ESO is dead already.
@@juffe_h1666 New World is a great game but it's 1/10th the size of ESO and the pvp isn't as nearly fun. Both are great games but to say one is way better than the other is just ignorant or you just burnt out playing too much
@@ESO_PRIMEnah I like New World combat more tbh. There is no spamming skills and 40 min fights for a few kills. If you are better it shows, no sets will carry you etc. It’s just my opinion 🤷🏻♂️ I respect any other opinion, but for me personally ESO is Outdated, cause they never care about combat, broken sets, PvP and even endgame Pve is non existent in ESO. The bosses look all the same, the theme of the dungeons looking arse etc. It’s just to flawed nowadays. ESO is Bigger but it feels dead compared to New World.
Sekaar, this is a good message for game comunity, a well thught message. Sadly as time goes, it clearly shows that companies who can *made $2bn since game launched* will surely not listen to gamers in terms of 'game balance' or any other topics really. Don't get me wrong. I strongly believe that "Creative People" who work for Zenimax and Bethesda, are amazing, well trained in every aspect of artistic side of the game and game design. However those companies are big and global companies which are ruled by extremely wealthy people. Those in charge don't give a single "F" about "the creative" side of the product. The only thing that matters is when game still makes big money for 'them', rest doesn't really matter. Play for fun and don't sweat about it, or.. apply for a job there and see how much an employee 'word' - on improving the game' is worth to them. Cheers!
@@Official_JakeClips it’s been done before. It lasted less than a year. ZoS does not want your feedback. They’ve made that very clear on multiple cases. In sone cases, directly stated it.
It's clear that the ESO moderators don't know how to play the game's PVP. You would be one of the guys I would lean on to give guidance on how to improve the game for us 🌻
I hate to say it but they dont care. They only want to work on repackaging the game for 30 buck every year like cod. They have never listened to feedback from players since release. They simply dont respect there player base, theyre in it for the bag. Pvp changes takes forever and help retain a ton of players///// compared to a house they designed in 20 min they can sell for 100$ real life. U tell me whats wrong
Eso has eso problems like zos team hostile to player base. However T and L dispite all it's friendly approach will be a very p2w game. So sad that had they nailed the p2w aspect they would had be slightly better than eso. Eso is still by far one of the best non p2w mmo.
@@jasonchui111bro even eso is p2w lol with them releasing new dlcs with broken sets then nerf when something newer comes out, quit eso years bc devs will never listen
@Bvrrr by your definition then no mmo is not p2w. Expansion always comes with op stuff. This is called power creep. If new stuff does not make you stronger then where is the progression in mmo? Why even bother to play new expansion if stuff is not to make you stronger and thereby progress you into the next level? Is a strawman argument you put here. Till the day eso sells golden mats with crowns or just out right allows you to buy sets without playing the content then eso is not p2w.
2:04 Sekaar, you need to talk with TheRealGodzilla and SawmanUK and IsThereNo1Else and Nyce. This was something tried 2 or 3 years ago... ZOS fudged it back then and I don't think anything has changed. I played PVP exclusively a few years ago and quit because the PVP community wasn't being heard nor was it being represented in any of the updates that came out... for years. I hope I'm wrong... I hope you're able to get ZOS to listen and make positive changes for the PVP community. The PVP element to this game is by far the best PVP I've ever experienced and it would be sad to see it disappear. Good luck man... and even tho I don't play it anymore, I still pay attention to yours and other channels in hopes of one day coming back.
What do you mean they don't cater to PvP. The last few update have been trying to improve the PvP and with the new BGs were changed due to callouts from the community. A lot of what was implemented was posted by PvPers and most PvP is Cyro and that's bad due to lag. BG is literally a TDM mode where Cyro is more of a Conquest. When you have a bunch of people crying about 3team BGs is super unfair due to teams, teaming against one team, or the major death/kills will go down cuz now it's not your team against 2 other teams. One issue i hear bring up is this is hurt my KD. Like kD is even a minute thought for an actual ESO player.
@@Klowd9888 I really hope you're being sarcastic. Lets pretend you aren't. That means you are suggesting that a modicum (a portion) of an annual update to this game is "catering" to a community that hasn't seen an update since BGs were implemented. I don't understand your argument "trying to improve PVP with changes to BGs". That's not an update to PVP that's adjustments to conditions of victory. An UPDATE is adding the Imperial city PVP zone. An UPDATE is adding the Battle Grounds PVP system... Those are UPDATES... that's getting something NEW. Not getting something new is adjusting and tweeking existing systems. It's truly sad that ZOS has duped the current PVP community into believing they are getting something major from them with just minor adjustments to existing systems.
@@vladimirsviridov7114 no other mmo plays like this one, the endless theory crafting and ideas are sick, but they don’t bring enough attention to ALL the sets in the game. Ex: if shattered fate gives you 8k pen, why is something like OG spriggans gear giving you 3k pen still? Those 2-4 set bonuses don’t even come close to trying to equal/balance it out. Think about it if you buff up new sets why not buff the old ones too. 🎉
dude they gave me a forum ban for saying "He was unaware of basic resource management. Thats embarrassing for everyone." To me that's an FU shut up we don't care.
Man the best hope for the game with skinnycheeks getting hired at ZOS and when they didn’t hire him we all know it’s bc the devs have a tiny operating budget and won’t invest in the game. They have a money making formula and any more than the current DLC release schedule would cost money. Rich lambert has said repeatedly in every single interview he’s ever given things like “I’ve heard this criticism before, we can’t implement X feature bc we can’t do it easily” They won’t balance PvP and PvE separately bc it’s too expensive for them to do.
Agreed with everything except skinny cheeks helping PvP…he is a PvE player and doesn’t know shit about PvP lol his suggestions for sets would have made PvP virtually impossibly to play in the current meta.
I think his ideas would have brought a fresh new meta into the game with a lot more creativity between builds tbh. I actually was a big fan of what he had to say
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Update the sword play for light and heavy attacks. Make the animations look flashy and cool, like in the cinematics. Add War Mammoth's to Cyrodiil, place them like Siege equipment, give us the ability to ride them and damage keep walls. Update the design of current day Cyrodiil. See West Weald and Blackwood? Update the graphics so Cyrodiil looks beautiful. Make us WANT to fight for it. Allow us to place our other characters as house guests/companions.
@@OhhLocky No, axe the minority of the playerbase so we can actually GET new pvp updates, furnishing limit increases, and cutting lag. The game is in it's current state because of older console support.
Respect has gone out the window with ZOS a long time ago. Can't say anything to them in stream without getting banned. Hit em where it hurts and stop giving them money.
Great take both in your effort to be less toxic and what zos should do to help communication. I agree that eso plus is unneeded. I haven't subbed since coming back and don't know if i will. Seems like one chapter a year and one expansion isn't worth a monthly 15.
This is a much more constructive video about eso's problems. We need more of this rather than people like hoarcrux simply saying "dead game" etc. Zos know they need to change big to keep dedicated players, they just need helpful info on how and what to change.
The issue is that this has all been done before. It’s all been said before. ZoS has made it very clear that they care less about player retention and more about a new player revolving door. When they receive feedback, they accuse the players of crying and essentially tell them to suck it up. They tanked the class rep program by choosing people who knew very little about the game and tried to turn it into a player rep program that focused on insignificant aspects of the game like housing. We tried for years to get ZoS to listen to players who actually knew what they were doing and it always ended up being a dead end because they would simply ignore the feedback or chose to pander to new players in an unhealthy way. ESO could have had one of the best MMO communities in the market, and did when the players took it upon themselves, but it inevitably falls apart because they receive no support from ZoS. They’re too concerned with money grab schemes which is evident in almost every aspect of the game. Sometimes it simply feels like you’re playing a mobile game on PC/console. Their pursuit of making casual players happy has just crippled the game’s community. That’s why a lot of us left and why there was a huge exodus of vet players a few years back. It’s seriously unfortunate. And don’t even get me started on the “Stream Team”. 🤦🏼♂️
there was a reddit thread where the redditor shared his opinion on PVP, and he basically got shit on because PVE and RP players dont give a fuck about PVP players. Little do they know, when PVP players die out, the game will follow. Just look at the population decrease over the last year. 1 year ago daily active was like 25k. Today its 13k. Sad because ESO is one of the best PVP MMOs out. I wish the Devs cared. They are going to kill their game.
They're all good ideas but sadly there's almost anything we can do to make them listen to what the community has to say, either that or they are just ignoring people. Skinny Cheeks tried something similar even trying to get into working for zos but got rejected. That's the difficult part i think, to get them to listen to us.
I respect what you’re trying to say here. But disagree. It’s not the devs and it’s not the community. It’s investors and shareholders. ESO and any live service game is a business first. Therefore it is their job to make money, and not to make their community happy. They prove this by putting out more “filler” content and “busy work” to keep the people that make the business their money happy. The devs are not unaware of eso problems and limitations but they are beholden to the business they work for, and its profit margins first and foremost. This means they must work within those parameters with the lowest amount of investment cost while trying to gain the highest revenue they can on their return. That’s why the pay shop and pve content/DLC’s are their priority This will never change. And come with limited issues. Any other form of content in this game such as pvp will always take a back burner. UNLESS they can find a way to capitalize on making pvpers spending money like pvers do. Otherwise they will always do the bare minimum because there is no financial incentive to investing in that part of the company. The engine is only getting older too. As an avid pvp only player it sucks to realize this. No matter how much I wish it wasn’t true it is. And I finally understand it now.
Im so glad u talk about this issues in eso, definitely sorcers and nightblades are a big roblem they can one shot you, sorcer is almost inmortal with high metigation, barriers, great mive set with also a stun and high dps, then you have the nightblades with their great healings, one shots and invisibility, forgetting about classes like necro and arcanists.
Players and content creators would be amazed at how much the dev managers would start to listen if we all just stopped buying crown poison & soul gem crates for only 1 month, it's not the ESO plus sub, because the finance team would then have to report to the true bosses.
really loved your eso content man, you have awesome ideas, your willingness to play different sets/builds/combos was refreshing in the space. i wanna commend you on your approach and being positive man and owning your shit from the past, super commendable dude. hope you keep having a blast with Destiny, i'll keep watching ya! :)
I think alot of inspiration for PvP can be taken from Warhammer Online, it was a game with awesome PvP but near non-existant PvE and also a PvEvP. me and my guild leader pushed for the guard skill to come into ESO, now it wasn't done the way we intended but its still something. Scenarios were 2 sides only, and yet it worked. yeah skill gap eventually led to one side being dominant.
100% agree! Great points! My strike might begin in January when they do their reveal for 2025. If the reveal doesn’t mention Cyrodil or any updates to PvP then I’m done done with ESO plus. Last year they baited us with the PvP announcement in Q4, if they do that again I don’t think I can take the abuse anymore.
1. Put in starter builds for new players. 2. Put a free for all mode at the beginning of every game. All queues go into this free for all zone. Max 24 players per free for all. 3. Make the bg roles mean something. No cross healing if you aren’t support. Can pull and cc someone if you are tank on short cool down. Deal Less damage if you are tank but take reduced damage. HP cap of 28k for dps, and healers
Player representation is an idea I really like, the only issue I foresee with it is, who do you pick for it? How do you apply and how do we filter out the people with actual feedback vs the people who just wanna talk negative to the devs. I would say content creators is one way but content creators don’t have the same experience in game as people who play casually or people who only duel, or people who only do pve so on and so forth. The wide variety of player skill levels is difficult to gather opinions from all. I think something they can do easily is send a survey out to player emails being anonymous and actually taking into consideration reasons as to why people don’t do certain content, what the players want to see, and so on to get a real grasp on the whole community rather than specific players speaking for the masses. Rome wasn’t built in a day lads just gotta keep pushing for what we want.
Rich lambert has said a lot of the things ppl want in the game just aren’t possible due to the games memory. Game has been through many devs which have built spaghetti code on top of spaghetti code backed by subpar servers. They’d need to completely rebuild the game lol. Which would cost them too much money. The devs at ZoS are just as broke as everyone else. The investors are the ones that control what they can and cannot do to the game. We can ask the devs for changes til we’re blue in the face but money doesn’t materialize out of thin air.
please, please include some console representation, and real players, not just elite PC users that play the game very little now. I feel this is the last chance saloon for the developers given what we all witnessed in that battlegrounds stream from Brian, it certainly explains a lot. Just look at the way that they New World devs are working, their latest roadmap is full of information on what's coming and what they're looking at trying, it's a world apart from what we are getting from ZOS.
You know i agree and hope you can get to zos i really do. As ive ventured off into other mmos like 4-6 different ones I always found myself spoiled by the great combat system eso has. Smooth mostly less now than usual. I feel zos dont realize what they have going for them and all theyd have to do is fix things. 10 years later and still get combat bugs, random load screens in cyrodil, stuck in floors from meteors, and i get this 0 stam recovery then have to visit the cheese monger portal. I feel we need to think back to where this game really took a plunge. I know some like dislike hybridization some do. Update 35 with longer dot ticks i feel hurt damage as pvp players can purge. Tank meta id hate to say put a cap in pvp with battle spirit but at this point not sure what else to suggest as players dont want to die but this is pvp! Also little different topic guild store and mail revert back to 30 days terrible change. Bgs go back to three teams increase score to win they're so short it takes longer to start and find a match. Que system for bgs something has to be done. I feel too old sets we all have access too buff them give them a change to create more build diversity. Many sets have died over the years for pvp and pve. Yolokrin which use to be meta for tanking died when oaken and arcanist came out it could use a nice change. Ill end on this note Ive played eso since before 1 tamiriel as dont expect it to be what it use to be but evolve into something better. The game has the tools that just needs some small and large gaps filled for changes with fixes. So yes im trying to be positive i love eso be lying if i said i didnt! So enjoy your day everyone.
I'm just over trying to do anything pvp related it's not worth my time to just wait for the queue and Cyrodiil is dead af so whats the point basically gutted half the game
Gladly take a break. Good plan. I always read the forums. My fav is the PTS server. So much information there as to whats coming up. Warnings from the player base go unnoticed, and they introduce sets that cause toxic tendency. Sadly cant beat em join em. *Cough* tarnished *cough*
Nerf healing/shields in pvp by 30%. The defacto : I’ll out live your damage by healing / shields back bar and widow you down, is so boring and promotes bad gameplay. That’s why so quit after several years. Every remotely decent player is so incredibly tanky and can pump out decent damage. Now sprinkle in off healers etc, gross.
Okay... This video is one of many that asked for the same thing that many players over a decade have suggested. And truth is, they will never listen. Why? Because they don't have to listen. Why they don't have to listen? Because 12k minimum players on average still have their ESO plus and spend hundreds a month on the game. And so, ZOS only cares about making money through crappy means. Instead of just listening to the community and making the game fun. Sincerely, I would not put a ton of time and energy in this game. Don't make the same mistake other streamers make. Zos will not listen.
I'm watching the developers Battlegrounds stream now and I'm amazed from the low damage of this templar critical hits, what? like just 2.5K critical hits lol.... it makes me feel like a badass I did 7K Molten Whips critical hits in my gameplay video.
@ yeah that is obviously going to have a much harder critical hit than jabs lmao. Ive hit 12-15k crit whips, imagine jabbing someone 3 times for 12k each 😂
Hey man this is such a great video, I dont PvP much but I do fully understand how you PvP'rs are feeling about PvP. I spend a lot of time watching certain streamers who only PvP and I do see their soul dying more and more everyday, its sad. I really hope ZOS see's this. I think ZOS needs to bring one of you PvPrs who know this inside out onto the team to help with making some or all of the changes needed to fix this. I remember the Intro video for ESO from 10 years ago, It was amazing!!! And then the game came out and everyone was like WTF. Again, great video man!
If the average person made a thing, like the devs have this game, it's not only natural but inevitable that they're going to listen and read and watch what people have to say about that thing... That said, to be 100 percent honest and blunt, if I were the devs of this game, at this point, I wouldn't listen to shit the players have to say... In fact, I would probably find out what they think "Should" happen and do the exact opposite... I sincerely think that the players, not the devs, have ruined this game with their nonstop whining about what the game didn't give them... I didn't start playing at launch, but since 2019, I've heard so much negative feedback, it's insane... And almost NO positive... If any... I love this game and I appreciate it as a body of work that took a lot of people a lot of time to produce and maintain... I play it everyday and I do wish certain things were different and in a lot of cases I just wish they were how they were just a few years ago... But they aren't... If the players would just shut up and quit acting like a bunch of spoiled children who seem like they're owed a game to their specifications, it would stop getting worse... Or they can just keep on and the game will continue it's downward spiral until we're all watching a video about the one dude left on the server who just logs on to farm mountain flower for some reason... I think you're an awesome player and I like a lot of your content, but this whole democratic approach just highlights what I mean... WE, as players, don't have a say in this... The fact that a lot of us act like we do may well be why the devs keep making such "bad" decisions... I mean, at some point, it's only human nature for people to just develop a fuck you attitude toward nothing but negativity in what they've created... I mean no disrespect to you or anyone else... Just wanted to say what never gets said...
everyone here forgets, ZOS was acquired by microsoft... as a business, if pvp is only 5% of the player base, id by all means not put any budget towards it. unfortunately this is the case here lol. they spend 2 billion, and they need to make their 2 billion back, so pvp is dead, it wont get better
Have some of you not already learned after a decade.. ZOS does NOT listen and does not care, at all. They only occasionally try to give illusion of caring, but they don't. Ever since they stopped the Class Rep program, it was the moment they openly stopped caring about ANY feedback. I mean, us oldies do remember that they ignored most of the Class reps feedback also, but.. at least they did have some effect on few things here and there. But after that? Pure downhill for years, mostly bad changes no one asked for and games performance is absolute dog poop. Pvp people have moved to other games.
I either completely get my ass kicked in pvp or struggle bus it out. Lot of the time my dots are avgeraging only 2-300 dmg and light attacks are coming out 900 max with abilities maybe braking 2k which i know my character isnt optimized but thats a load of shit. I tested my character against a dark elf and my character regardless of circumstance does 1/2 the dmg he can do in a single hit even on a crit. Idk what they are doing for mechanics but its wildly out of tune
@viciousct8176 I have had the same problem for 10 years playing this game of constantly not being able to do damage. I have divine sets, on low tier armors, and purple gear. If the passives for dmg weren't calculated as they are or passives like healing taken by 4% were removed and given a crit value like the fur ball players then I might believe you.
@viciousct8176 after 10 years I don't think I'm that under developed mentally I think that the Argonains get a bad damage scaling in pvp. Wpn dmg passives stack weird
Did the class rep program actually impact anything though? Seems like it was just lip service, and ZoS took no feedback and just did what they wanted anyway. I agree in your premise, I just don't think they've ever really been interested in listening. 🤷♂️
You’re not going to be able to delete negative comments fast enough. Like I said, this exact thing has already been tried. Deleting my comment won’t change that. 🤷🏼♂️
This isn't anything new, players have been saying this. I can remember this being brought up like 5-6 years ago. The devs are sadly not very good at the game, both PvE and PVP but it's blatantly obvious on the PVP side.
I enjoy eso. It's the only game I play, so I have no comparison. In the 4 years I've played I don't see much interest in player input. Especially since they were purchased. There's just no incentive because I don't think this games going to be around in 5 years. I think the major software overhaul they did was for a different product they plan on pivoting to. I'm probably wrong about this but it looks that way me. Thx for great content
I mean the harshness was neccesary I dont play eso anymore because it seems like zos only wants money and doesnt care about the elder scrolls or the community. Also I just dont have fun anymore cause it seems like theres no reason to grind or really play.
Lol ZOS lost interest in ESO Pvp a long time ago and I doubt they'll start caring now... I uninstalled the game after update 44. I don't want to waste my time and money anymore.
They do not give a F about pvp community nor do they ever have. Nothing to apologize or such... just canel your eso+ and to be honest there are plenty of other games to dive into. Dont feed Zo$$$$$ any of your money
and yes lets give the streamers more and better shit like always. (smh) i used to watch alot of ur stuff but no. now i will go back to deltias old stuff. lmfao. no thanks. ur only here to help urself.
Pay to win will alway exist………So let’s all just admit it that ZOS doesn’t care about the average player or the new ones. I’ll talk about under 50pvp where a golden god can have a full monster set and all the trimmings and can’t be killed with 6 players beating on them. How are new people going to compete with players able to use sets they can’t have or get on lvl 30chareters. Oh and not to forget the guys who spend $100 on a brand new character to have all the skill lines that a cp charter have just to beat up on the little guys.
Never found PVP in ESO enjoyable because it is not intuitive. Half the time I walk out of PVP duel scratching my head thinking how did I die, or even worse how did I win... and I've been playing since beta. You can hate on me for this all you want but it is just not fun. And god forbid you run into a ballgroup, might as well leave. I played WOW PVP from Classic till Cata, even in its basic form it was complex enough to be fun for experienced players and simple enough for the new player. ESO PVP experience for the new player looks like this: 1. Set yourself up the best you can, based on your skills and sets and join Cyro or BG. 2. Get T-Bagged the entire duration while you cant kill shit. 3. Quit and look-up builds to get better. 4. Try again. 5. Most likely fail again. 6. In 95% cases quit PVP to try it later or never. Hate me all you want but its the reality. Knowledge and skill barrier to entry is too great for it to be fun. Idk about you but most of the ppl I play with have jobs and kids and sinking bunch of hours into something that isn't fun is not going to happen. It would be different if the process of learning would be fun, but it's not.
Personally I love the new battlegrounds, specifically the rewards. Hot damn are the rewards great. Also, no amount of feedback is going to help out. ZOS doesn’t care because they don’t make any money from PvP. It’s an afterthought entirely bc so few people play. Perhaps 2000-5000 players queue up a week for battlegrounds (pc na), and only 300 or so play more than 1-3 games. Nobody plays, it’s that simple. The numbers are estimates, but getting on the weekly leaderboards takes about 30-40 games, imagine a leaderboard in a real PvP game that only took 30-40 games to make it, that’s crazy low.
Destiny is the same as eso, i could say it is even worse Cheaters overrun mid-high end pvp and bungie pulls a blind eye on it (because xim is not really a cheat soft, but basically grants you aimlock) We get much less events (only 4 repetitive events per year, no difference in gameplay) Every year you pay for dlc that gives you a season content with some guns, 80% of which are repeats with different perks After a month of each "arc" game dies down and streamers grind pvp challenges they made for themselves or go play other games You can argue that 2 subs emblems are good, but that is just another way bungie can trigger people with fomo I love both of this games, but they share alot of the problems and equally as bad feedback analysis Better comparison would be PoE team in this matter
No disrespect but how many of the same exact video has to be made over the course of a decade for the community realize theyve been talking and pleading to a brick wall, theyll never listen 😂
I might just be hopelessly optimistic, but I don't have any problems with ESO, I freaking love this game. Have for over 10 years now and I don't see that change anytime soon. Sure there are flaws, with it, things that could be done bett,er but overall, I don't have prolems. But I am also just a filthy casual so maybe that's why.
Nothing wrong with that! The game is catered towards playing casually which is fine. I, like many others, have other play styles that are incredibly neglected and quite frankly ignored for the most part.
$15/month subscription for inventory slots, no thanks. Crappy rewards, no thanks. Item sets do not work as intended, no thanks. Pvp instances are so laggy and zergy that it's unplayable, no thanks.
@@konkats-tg7pfit’s different when you’re playing it but when ypu play eso all you see is 50 players and then you crash or lag so bad you might as well have crashed.
Dude this is never gonna happen they can’t take constructive criticism just quit it’s sad to say we all love the game but they are just gonna milk it until it dies they don’t care what we say all these people have been working on the game saying they are working on it for years. The lead PvP combat designer stinks eggs at the game. The game has been going down hill sense one tam. Removal of skill gaps lack of funding servers. The unionization of the studio was the final nail in the coffin the game is done move on.
I think sekaar is aware of this and is actively trying to not be apart of that crowd now, Its fine to be mad at a game but having no constructive critisism doesnt help anyone.
@VisualBliss. I used to follow content creators, but not anymore. It's like what happened recently to asmgold. You guys get caught up with your followers who want hate on everything, and to keep your UA-cam numbers up, start saying what they want to hear. You guy lose yourself in their misery.
Def better than that zos PvP video 😂 I completely agree with this video! Me and my friends keep saying nerf balorgh, I love it, you love it, but it’s a staple rn
Tbh I’ve had a hard time making anything new because I’ve felt that the PvP side of the game is stale so it’s hard to find inspiration. I’m trying to be better and slowly fix things both with the game and with my own view as a content creator but it’s not an overnight thing.
@@Sekaar I’ve been playing since day 1, been watching your builds for some time, I’ve got similar things nothing exact, but I respect it. All I can say is I was very surprised to see one of the Top PvP influencers and creators for the game be so bad at it, no offense just speaking truth as any pvper would agree 😅 try this build out for your nightblade Lightning staff/SnB Oakfather rally cry markyn balorgh. Honestly goated. The new soulcleaver is good for Imperial city as well. If you crit funnel health an add I’m getting 10-20k heals every 2 seconds for 10 seconds (only in IC as they have ads to hit, which getting that heal in PvP is insane) Very fun I main the blade, but I brawl mostly. Still haven’t seen that build on UA-cam, very surprised I’d be more than happy to see it leaked 🥰 Ps: using contingency as well unless I’m running cleaver, then I use funnel health but it’s phenomenal in bgs
Besides ZOS not listening to us they actually implement negative changes that nobody asked for while ignoring problems that have set message boards on fire year after year
Realgodzillas attempt with Gina was the gun in face realization they dgaf.
Gl though. Genuinely.
Everyone please cancel their eso plus. You don't really NEED that craft bag it just seems like it
Eso plus is nothing compared to the crown store
Yup! I cancel once they do their January reveal for 2025. If the reveal sucks & no mentions of PvP I’m done
This 100% i did this and own all the chapters and dlcs I want to play. Best move I ever made.
PvP is so broken right now
@@shadowcat9420 i've been in New World the past month, what's broken this time around? Seemed fine a month ago. lol
As a content creator myself, I completely agree with everything you said. However it will unfortunately fall on deaf ears just like previous attempts with godzilla and others. Zenimax has been doing this for years now. They won't listen nor change. The game will die soon enough
Man, Godzilla disappeared! 🥲
@ESO_PRIME off the map 😕
Leave it Adam, there are other MMORGs and RPGs which are waaaaay better than spaghetti code ESO. Poe 2 dropped, you got TnL, New World etc. I even left it for New World cause it’s 100% better than ESO. Just leave it behind ESO is dead already.
@@juffe_h1666 New World is a great game but it's 1/10th the size of ESO and the pvp isn't as nearly fun. Both are great games but to say one is way better than the other is just ignorant or you just burnt out playing too much
@@ESO_PRIMEnah I like New World combat more tbh. There is no spamming skills and 40 min fights for a few kills. If you are better it shows, no sets will carry you etc. It’s just my opinion 🤷🏻♂️ I respect any other opinion, but for me personally ESO is Outdated, cause they never care about combat, broken sets, PvP and even endgame Pve is non existent in ESO. The bosses look all the same, the theme of the dungeons looking arse etc. It’s just to flawed nowadays. ESO is Bigger but it feels dead compared to New World.
Sekaar, this is a good message for game comunity, a well thught message. Sadly as time goes, it clearly shows that companies who can *made $2bn since game launched* will surely not listen to gamers in terms of 'game balance' or any other topics really.
Don't get me wrong. I strongly believe that "Creative People" who work for Zenimax and Bethesda, are amazing, well trained in every aspect of artistic side of the game and game design.
However those companies are big and global companies which are ruled by extremely wealthy people. Those in charge don't give a single "F" about "the creative" side of the product.
The only thing that matters is when game still makes big money for 'them', rest doesn't really matter.
Play for fun and don't sweat about it, or.. apply for a job there and see how much an employee 'word' - on improving the game' is worth to them.
Cheers!
Do you have discord? I am working on creating a group to submit feedback regarding PvP and we’re discussing potential specific changes
hell yea, I'd love to be a part of that. Discord is right here discord.gg/6TcRZ43N
Boys if they won’t listen to skinny is there really any chance of change let’s be real ?
@@Official_JakeClips it’s been done before. It lasted less than a year. ZoS does not want your feedback. They’ve made that very clear on multiple cases. In sone cases, directly stated it.
@cpttekashi they don't need to listen as long as they maintain the cash cow known as Housing and all those who dump their pension checks into it
@@cpttekashi they do listen to him 👀 he’s in a chat with them and offers great feedback
Good on you for trying to make positive changes for ESO
comment in support and to promote the video, Zos please listen to the players
It's clear that the ESO moderators don't know how to play the game's PVP. You would be one of the guys I would lean on to give guidance on how to improve the game for us 🌻
1 more thing many games have become great and better listening to their players!
I hate to say it but they dont care. They only want to work on repackaging the game for 30 buck every year like cod. They have never listened to feedback from players since release. They simply dont respect there player base, theyre in it for the bag. Pvp changes takes forever and help retain a ton of players///// compared to a house they designed in 20 min they can sell for 100$ real life. U tell me whats wrong
Just look at Throne & Liberty and you will see how communication with the community works
Eso has eso problems like zos team hostile to player base.
However T and L dispite all it's friendly approach will be a very p2w game. So sad that had they nailed the p2w aspect they would had be slightly better than eso.
Eso is still by far one of the best non p2w mmo.
@@jasonchui111bro even eso is p2w lol with them releasing new dlcs with broken sets then nerf when something newer comes out, quit eso years bc devs will never listen
@Bvrrr by your definition then no mmo is not p2w. Expansion always comes with op stuff. This is called power creep. If new stuff does not make you stronger then where is the progression in mmo? Why even bother to play new expansion if stuff is not to make you stronger and thereby progress you into the next level?
Is a strawman argument you put here. Till the day eso sells golden mats with crowns or just out right allows you to buy sets without playing the content then eso is not p2w.
Sometimes when i hold the attack button, my green and blue bars go up? Weird.
2:04 Sekaar, you need to talk with TheRealGodzilla and SawmanUK and IsThereNo1Else and Nyce. This was something tried 2 or 3 years ago... ZOS fudged it back then and I don't think anything has changed. I played PVP exclusively a few years ago and quit because the PVP community wasn't being heard nor was it being represented in any of the updates that came out... for years.
I hope I'm wrong... I hope you're able to get ZOS to listen and make positive changes for the PVP community. The PVP element to this game is by far the best PVP I've ever experienced and it would be sad to see it disappear. Good luck man... and even tho I don't play it anymore, I still pay attention to yours and other channels in hopes of one day coming back.
What do you mean they don't cater to PvP. The last few update have been trying to improve the PvP and with the new BGs were changed due to callouts from the community. A lot of what was implemented was posted by PvPers and most PvP is Cyro and that's bad due to lag. BG is literally a TDM mode where Cyro is more of a Conquest. When you have a bunch of people crying about 3team BGs is super unfair due to teams, teaming against one team, or the major death/kills will go down cuz now it's not your team against 2 other teams. One issue i hear bring up is this is hurt my KD. Like kD is even a minute thought for an actual ESO player.
@@Klowd9888 I really hope you're being sarcastic. Lets pretend you aren't. That means you are suggesting that a modicum (a portion) of an annual update to this game is "catering" to a community that hasn't seen an update since BGs were implemented. I don't understand your argument "trying to improve PVP with changes to BGs". That's not an update to PVP that's adjustments to conditions of victory. An UPDATE is adding the Imperial city PVP zone. An UPDATE is adding the Battle Grounds PVP system... Those are UPDATES... that's getting something NEW. Not getting something new is adjusting and tweeking existing systems. It's truly sad that ZOS has duped the current PVP community into believing they are getting something major from them with just minor adjustments to existing systems.
Just try other MMO’s. PvP in this game is unbalanced.
@@vladimirsviridov7114 I don't play ESO anymore because of lack of attention to PVP.
@@vladimirsviridov7114 no other mmo plays like this one, the endless theory crafting and ideas are sick, but they don’t bring enough attention to ALL the sets in the game. Ex: if shattered fate gives you 8k pen, why is something like OG spriggans gear giving you 3k pen still? Those 2-4 set bonuses don’t even come close to trying to equal/balance it out. Think about it if you buff up new sets why not buff the old ones too. 🎉
dude they gave me a forum ban for saying "He was unaware of basic resource management. Thats embarrassing for everyone." To me that's an FU shut up we don't care.
Man the best hope for the game with skinnycheeks getting hired at ZOS and when they didn’t hire him we all know it’s bc the devs have a tiny operating budget and won’t invest in the game. They have a money making formula and any more than the current DLC release schedule would cost money.
Rich lambert has said repeatedly in every single interview he’s ever given things like “I’ve heard this criticism before, we can’t implement X feature bc we can’t do it easily”
They won’t balance PvP and PvE separately bc it’s too expensive for them to do.
Agreed with everything except skinny cheeks helping PvP…he is a PvE player and doesn’t know shit about PvP lol his suggestions for sets would have made PvP virtually impossibly to play in the current meta.
I think his ideas would have brought a fresh new meta into the game with a lot more creativity between builds tbh. I actually was a big fan of what he had to say
$2 billion in profits lol there is zero excuses for this company
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thank you for making this
Update the sword play for light and heavy attacks. Make the animations look flashy and cool, like in the cinematics. Add War Mammoth's to Cyrodiil, place them like Siege equipment, give us the ability to ride them and damage keep walls. Update the design of current day Cyrodiil. See West Weald and Blackwood? Update the graphics so Cyrodiil looks beautiful. Make us WANT to fight for it. Allow us to place our other characters as house guests/companions.
That sounds like even more lag being added to cyrodiil
@apaullo89 cut support for older consoles, that will fix all lag
@@basedcrusader8205 Okay so your idea is to axe off a % of the player base for a fucking mammoth.
@@OhhLocky No, axe the minority of the playerbase so we can actually GET new pvp updates, furnishing limit increases, and cutting lag. The game is in it's current state because of older console support.
Respect has gone out the window with ZOS a long time ago. Can't say anything to them in stream without getting banned. Hit em where it hurts and stop giving them money.
Great constructive ideas for representation in every type of game play. I hope they watch and listen.
Great take both in your effort to be less toxic and what zos should do to help communication. I agree that eso plus is unneeded. I haven't subbed since coming back and don't know if i will. Seems like one chapter a year and one expansion isn't worth a monthly 15.
This is a much more constructive video about eso's problems. We need more of this rather than people like hoarcrux simply saying "dead game" etc.
Zos know they need to change big to keep dedicated players, they just need helpful info on how and what to change.
Thanks! I’m trying to be better. If you can, share the video with your friends! I’m trying to spread the word on this video.
The issue is that this has all been done before. It’s all been said before. ZoS has made it very clear that they care less about player retention and more about a new player revolving door. When they receive feedback, they accuse the players of crying and essentially tell them to suck it up. They tanked the class rep program by choosing people who knew very little about the game and tried to turn it into a player rep program that focused on insignificant aspects of the game like housing. We tried for years to get ZoS to listen to players who actually knew what they were doing and it always ended up being a dead end because they would simply ignore the feedback or chose to pander to new players in an unhealthy way. ESO could have had one of the best MMO communities in the market, and did when the players took it upon themselves, but it inevitably falls apart because they receive no support from ZoS. They’re too concerned with money grab schemes which is evident in almost every aspect of the game. Sometimes it simply feels like you’re playing a mobile game on PC/console. Their pursuit of making casual players happy has just crippled the game’s community. That’s why a lot of us left and why there was a huge exodus of vet players a few years back. It’s seriously unfortunate. And don’t even get me started on the “Stream Team”. 🤦🏼♂️
@@Sekaar Will do! we all love this game an need this convo on how to keep it going with zos.
zos will turn back to eso right after their new mmo sinks like the titanic...until then eso in autopilot
there was a reddit thread where the redditor shared his opinion on PVP, and he basically got shit on because PVE and RP players dont give a fuck about PVP players. Little do they know, when PVP players die out, the game will follow. Just look at the population decrease over the last year. 1 year ago daily active was like 25k. Today its 13k. Sad because ESO is one of the best PVP MMOs out. I wish the Devs cared. They are going to kill their game.
Very nice video and very good ideas!
What is wrong with nightblades? They are fine atm.
They're all good ideas but sadly there's almost anything we can do to make them listen to what the community has to say, either that or they are just ignoring people. Skinny Cheeks tried something similar even trying to get into working for zos but got rejected. That's the difficult part i think, to get them to listen to us.
I respect what you’re trying to say here. But disagree. It’s not the devs and it’s not the community. It’s investors and shareholders. ESO and any live service game is a business first. Therefore it is their job to make money, and not to make their community happy. They prove this by putting out more “filler” content and “busy work” to keep the people that make the business their money happy.
The devs are not unaware of eso problems and limitations but they are beholden to the business they work for, and its profit margins first and foremost. This means they must work within those parameters with the lowest amount of investment cost while trying to gain the highest revenue they can on their return. That’s why the pay shop and pve content/DLC’s are their priority This will never change. And come with limited issues. Any other form of content in this game such as pvp will always take a back burner. UNLESS they can find a way to capitalize on making pvpers spending money like pvers do. Otherwise they will always do the bare minimum because there is no financial incentive to investing in that part of the company. The engine is only getting older too.
As an avid pvp only player it sucks to realize this. No matter how much I wish it wasn’t true it is. And I finally understand it now.
absolute based gamer, regardless of any opinions Sekaar is a cool person; a class rep system esq thing would be great
Im so glad u talk about this issues in eso, definitely sorcers and nightblades are a big roblem they can one shot you, sorcer is almost inmortal with high metigation, barriers, great mive set with also a stun and high dps, then you have the nightblades with their great healings, one shots and invisibility, forgetting about classes like necro and arcanists.
Players and content creators would be amazed at how much the dev managers would start to listen if we all just stopped buying crown poison & soul gem crates for only 1 month, it's not the ESO plus sub, because the finance team would then have to report to the true bosses.
With this latest stream result maybe they’ll listen this time.
really loved your eso content man, you have awesome ideas, your willingness to play different sets/builds/combos was refreshing in the space. i wanna commend you on your approach and being positive man and owning your shit from the past, super commendable dude. hope you keep having a blast with Destiny, i'll keep watching ya! :)
You absolute legend. Thanks for the kind words 💜
I think alot of inspiration for PvP can be taken from Warhammer Online, it was a game with awesome PvP but near non-existant PvE and also a PvEvP. me and my guild leader pushed for the guard skill to come into ESO, now it wasn't done the way we intended but its still something. Scenarios were 2 sides only, and yet it worked. yeah skill gap eventually led to one side being dominant.
100% agree! Great points! My strike might begin in January when they do their reveal for 2025. If the reveal doesn’t mention Cyrodil or any updates to PvP then I’m done done with ESO plus. Last year they baited us with the PvP announcement in Q4, if they do that again I don’t think I can take the abuse anymore.
Need matchmaking option that actually works for PVE
1. Put in starter builds for new players.
2. Put a free for all mode at the beginning of every game. All queues go into this free for all zone. Max 24 players per free for all.
3. Make the bg roles mean something. No cross healing if you aren’t support.
Can pull and cc someone if you are tank on short cool down. Deal Less damage if you are tank but take reduced damage.
HP cap of 28k for dps, and healers
You're a pver shut up
I think they should hire people like you with experience with the game and a connection to the community to run the PvP in Zos
Player representation is an idea I really like, the only issue I foresee with it is, who do you pick for it? How do you apply and how do we filter out the people with actual feedback vs the people who just wanna talk negative to the devs. I would say content creators is one way but content creators don’t have the same experience in game as people who play casually or people who only duel, or people who only do pve so on and so forth. The wide variety of player skill levels is difficult to gather opinions from all. I think something they can do easily is send a survey out to player emails being anonymous and actually taking into consideration reasons as to why people don’t do certain content, what the players want to see, and so on to get a real grasp on the whole community rather than specific players speaking for the masses. Rome wasn’t built in a day lads just gotta keep pushing for what we want.
The representation somewhat already exist there is a discord with stream team members, other youtube content creators and what not.
Rich lambert has said a lot of the things ppl want in the game just aren’t possible due to the games memory. Game has been through many devs which have built spaghetti code on top of spaghetti code backed by subpar servers. They’d need to completely rebuild the game lol. Which would cost them too much money.
The devs at ZoS are just as broke as everyone else. The investors are the ones that control what they can and cannot do to the game. We can ask the devs for changes til we’re blue in the face but money doesn’t materialize out of thin air.
please, please include some console representation, and real players, not just elite PC users that play the game very little now. I feel this is the last chance saloon for the developers given what we all witnessed in that battlegrounds stream from Brian, it certainly explains a lot. Just look at the way that they New World devs are working, their latest roadmap is full of information on what's coming and what they're looking at trying, it's a world apart from what we are getting from ZOS.
what is different on console version except addons? Any pleas pc players make to better the game will always benifit console surely?
You know i agree and hope you can get to zos i really do. As ive ventured off into other mmos like 4-6 different ones I always found myself spoiled by the great combat system eso has. Smooth mostly less now than usual. I feel zos dont realize what they have going for them and all theyd have to do is fix things. 10 years later and still get combat bugs, random load screens in cyrodil, stuck in floors from meteors, and i get this 0 stam recovery then have to visit the cheese monger portal. I feel we need to think back to where this game really took a plunge. I know some like dislike hybridization some do. Update 35 with longer dot ticks i feel hurt damage as pvp players can purge. Tank meta id hate to say put a cap in pvp with battle spirit but at this point not sure what else to suggest as players dont want to die but this is pvp! Also little different topic guild store and mail revert back to 30 days terrible change. Bgs go back to three teams increase score to win they're so short it takes longer to start and find a match. Que system for bgs something has to be done. I feel too old sets we all have access too buff them give them a change to create more build diversity. Many sets have died over the years for pvp and pve. Yolokrin which use to be meta for tanking died when oaken and arcanist came out it could use a nice change. Ill end on this note Ive played eso since before 1 tamiriel as dont expect it to be what it use to be but evolve into something better. The game has the tools that just needs some small and large gaps filled for changes with fixes. So yes im trying to be positive i love eso be lying if i said i didnt! So enjoy your day everyone.
I'm just over trying to do anything pvp related it's not worth my time to just wait for the queue and Cyrodiil is dead af so whats the point basically gutted half the game
Gladly take a break. Good plan. I always read the forums. My fav is the PTS server. So much information there as to whats coming up. Warnings from the player base go unnoticed, and they introduce sets that cause toxic tendency. Sadly cant beat em join em. *Cough* tarnished *cough*
ESO could go online in Cyrodiil and get responses live. They choose not to because I doubt they want to change any code.
To work together one side needs to admit they don't know whats wrong and unfun about what they are doing
They really need to hire someone who knows the combat system!
Nerf healing/shields in pvp by 30%. The defacto : I’ll out live your damage by healing / shields back bar and widow you down, is so boring and promotes bad gameplay. That’s why so quit after several years. Every remotely decent player is so incredibly tanky and can pump out decent damage. Now sprinkle in off healers etc, gross.
Okay... This video is one of many that asked for the same thing that many players over a decade have suggested.
And truth is, they will never listen. Why? Because they don't have to listen. Why they don't have to listen? Because 12k minimum players on average still have their ESO plus and spend hundreds a month on the game.
And so, ZOS only cares about making money through crappy means. Instead of just listening to the community and making the game fun.
Sincerely, I would not put a ton of time and energy in this game. Don't make the same mistake other streamers make. Zos will not listen.
I agree with the communication changes. But I think paywalling twitch drops is a terrible idea.
I'm watching the developers Battlegrounds stream now and I'm amazed from the low damage of this templar critical hits, what? like just 2.5K critical hits lol.... it makes me feel like a badass I did 7K Molten Whips critical hits in my gameplay video.
You’re comparing a stacked molton whip to jabs?
@@viciousct8176 3 stacks of that red buff so yeah stacked molten whips.
@ yeah that is obviously going to have a much harder critical hit than jabs lmao. Ive hit 12-15k crit whips, imagine jabbing someone 3 times for 12k each 😂
Hey man this is such a great video, I dont PvP much but I do fully understand how you PvP'rs are feeling about PvP. I spend a lot of time watching certain streamers who only PvP and I do see their soul dying more and more everyday, its sad. I really hope ZOS see's this. I think ZOS needs to bring one of you PvPrs who know this inside out onto the team to help with making some or all of the changes needed to fix this. I remember the Intro video for ESO from 10 years ago, It was amazing!!! And then the game came out and everyone was like WTF. Again, great video man!
If the average person made a thing, like the devs have this game, it's not only natural but inevitable that they're going to listen and read and watch what people have to say about that thing... That said, to be 100 percent honest and blunt, if I were the devs of this game, at this point, I wouldn't listen to shit the players have to say... In fact, I would probably find out what they think "Should" happen and do the exact opposite... I sincerely think that the players, not the devs, have ruined this game with their nonstop whining about what the game didn't give them... I didn't start playing at launch, but since 2019, I've heard so much negative feedback, it's insane... And almost NO positive... If any... I love this game and I appreciate it as a body of work that took a lot of people a lot of time to produce and maintain... I play it everyday and I do wish certain things were different and in a lot of cases I just wish they were how they were just a few years ago... But they aren't... If the players would just shut up and quit acting like a bunch of spoiled children who seem like they're owed a game to their specifications, it would stop getting worse... Or they can just keep on and the game will continue it's downward spiral until we're all watching a video about the one dude left on the server who just logs on to farm mountain flower for some reason... I think you're an awesome player and I like a lot of your content, but this whole democratic approach just highlights what I mean... WE, as players, don't have a say in this... The fact that a lot of us act like we do may well be why the devs keep making such "bad" decisions... I mean, at some point, it's only human nature for people to just develop a fuck you attitude toward nothing but negativity in what they've created... I mean no disrespect to you or anyone else... Just wanted to say what never gets said...
everyone here forgets, ZOS was acquired by microsoft... as a business, if pvp is only 5% of the player base, id by all means not put any budget towards it. unfortunately this is the case here lol. they spend 2 billion, and they need to make their 2 billion back, so pvp is dead, it wont get better
Have some of you not already learned after a decade.. ZOS does NOT listen and does not care, at all. They only occasionally try to give illusion of caring, but they don't. Ever since they stopped the Class Rep program, it was the moment they openly stopped caring about ANY feedback. I mean, us oldies do remember that they ignored most of the Class reps feedback also, but.. at least they did have some effect on few things here and there. But after that? Pure downhill for years, mostly bad changes no one asked for and games performance is absolute dog poop. Pvp people have moved to other games.
Oh here we go again lol. Better off pissing in the wind brother
I like turtles 🐢
I either completely get my ass kicked in pvp or struggle bus it out. Lot of the time my dots are avgeraging only 2-300 dmg and light attacks are coming out 900 max with abilities maybe braking 2k which i know my character isnt optimized but thats a load of shit. I tested my character against a dark elf and my character regardless of circumstance does 1/2 the dmg he can do in a single hit even on a crit. Idk what they are doing for mechanics but its wildly out of tune
Bro that’s not their issue, that’s a build issue.
@viciousct8176 I have had the same problem for 10 years playing this game of constantly not being able to do damage. I have divine sets, on low tier armors, and purple gear. If the passives for dmg weren't calculated as they are or passives like healing taken by 4% were removed and given a crit value like the fur ball players then I might believe you.
@@Metalmenace_ I hit around 5-6k damage on average with noxious breath, sometimes higher. It’s a build issue my guy.
@viciousct8176 after 10 years I don't think I'm that under developed mentally I think that the Argonains get a bad damage scaling in pvp. Wpn dmg passives stack weird
@viciousct8176 It'll say 6k maybe 9k damage but ends up doing 1k to 2k with about 3k pen
They've done this, they still don't listen. Next idea
Did the class rep program actually impact anything though? Seems like it was just lip service, and ZoS took no feedback and just did what they wanted anyway.
I agree in your premise, I just don't think they've ever really been interested in listening. 🤷♂️
Not really but from failure we learn so hopefully with new players with new perspectives then maybe things can change.
You’re not going to be able to delete negative comments fast enough. Like I said, this exact thing has already been tried. Deleting my comment won’t change that. 🤷🏼♂️
This isn't anything new, players have been saying this. I can remember this being brought up like 5-6 years ago. The devs are sadly not very good at the game, both PvE and PVP but it's blatantly obvious on the PVP side.
I enjoy eso. It's the only game I play, so I have no comparison. In the 4 years I've played I don't see much interest in player input. Especially since they were purchased. There's just no incentive because I don't think this games going to be around in 5 years. I think the major software overhaul they did was for a different product they plan on pivoting to. I'm probably wrong about this but it looks that way me. Thx for great content
bro legit who cares about twitch, game needs a whole lot more updates than helping streamers.Totally agree on the boycot though
I mean the harshness was neccesary I dont play eso anymore because it seems like zos only wants money and doesnt care about the elder scrolls or the community. Also I just dont have fun anymore cause it seems like theres no reason to grind or really play.
I can see this video is flagged restricted, FYI.
Lol ZOS lost interest in ESO Pvp a long time ago and I doubt they'll start caring now... I uninstalled the game after update 44. I don't want to waste my time and money anymore.
Weren't you fired as a customer? 🤔😅
that was hoarcrux
They do not give a F about pvp community nor do they ever have. Nothing to apologize or such... just canel your eso+ and to be honest there are plenty of other games to dive into. Dont feed Zo$$$$$ any of your money
last i look at eso twitch there was less than 1k people watching and that was evening time. kinda bad for a mmo.
seems like a good idea. but it wont work. stopped watching at 3:15 seconds.
and yes lets give the streamers more and better shit like always. (smh) i used to watch alot of ur stuff but no. now i will go back to deltias old stuff. lmfao. no thanks. ur only here to help urself.
Pay to win will alway exist………So let’s all just admit it that ZOS doesn’t care about the average player or the new ones. I’ll talk about under 50pvp where a golden god can have a full monster set and all the trimmings and can’t be killed with 6 players beating on them. How are new people going to compete with players able to use sets they can’t have or get on lvl 30chareters. Oh and not to forget the guys who spend $100 on a brand new character to have all the skill lines that a cp charter have just to beat up on the little guys.
Never found PVP in ESO enjoyable because it is not intuitive. Half the time I walk out of PVP duel scratching my head thinking how did I die, or even worse how did I win... and I've been playing since beta. You can hate on me for this all you want but it is just not fun. And god forbid you run into a ballgroup, might as well leave. I played WOW PVP from Classic till Cata, even in its basic form it was complex enough to be fun for experienced players and simple enough for the new player. ESO PVP experience for the new player looks like this: 1. Set yourself up the best you can, based on your skills and sets and join Cyro or BG. 2. Get T-Bagged the entire duration while you cant kill shit. 3. Quit and look-up builds to get better. 4. Try again. 5. Most likely fail again. 6. In 95% cases quit PVP to try it later or never. Hate me all you want but its the reality. Knowledge and skill barrier to entry is too great for it to be fun. Idk about you but most of the ppl I play with have jobs and kids and sinking bunch of hours into something that isn't fun is not going to happen. It would be different if the process of learning would be fun, but it's not.
Zos just suspended me again , down with ESO lol I hope POE 2 & Chrono Odyssey Kills Elderscrollsonline
Personally I love the new battlegrounds, specifically the rewards. Hot damn are the rewards great.
Also, no amount of feedback is going to help out. ZOS doesn’t care because they don’t make any money from PvP. It’s an afterthought entirely bc so few people play. Perhaps 2000-5000 players queue up a week for battlegrounds (pc na), and only 300 or so play more than 1-3 games. Nobody plays, it’s that simple. The numbers are estimates, but getting on the weekly leaderboards takes about 30-40 games, imagine a leaderboard in a real PvP game that only took 30-40 games to make it, that’s crazy low.
Its you..? lol
Destiny is the same as eso, i could say it is even worse
Cheaters overrun mid-high end pvp and bungie pulls a blind eye on it (because xim is not really a cheat soft, but basically grants you aimlock)
We get much less events (only 4 repetitive events per year, no difference in gameplay)
Every year you pay for dlc that gives you a season content with some guns, 80% of which are repeats with different perks
After a month of each "arc" game dies down and streamers grind pvp challenges they made for themselves or go play other games
You can argue that 2 subs emblems are good, but that is just another way bungie can trigger people with fomo
I love both of this games, but they share alot of the problems and equally as bad feedback analysis
Better comparison would be PoE team in this matter
No disrespect but how many of the same exact video has to be made over the course of a decade for the community realize theyve been talking and pleading to a brick wall, theyll never listen 😂
I might just be hopelessly optimistic, but I don't have any problems with ESO, I freaking love this game. Have for over 10 years now and I don't see that change anytime soon. Sure there are flaws, with it, things that could be done bett,er but overall, I don't have prolems. But I am also just a filthy casual so maybe that's why.
Nothing wrong with that! The game is catered towards playing casually which is fine. I, like many others, have other play styles that are incredibly neglected and quite frankly ignored for the most part.
$15/month subscription for inventory slots, no thanks. Crappy rewards, no thanks. Item sets do not work as intended, no thanks. Pvp instances are so laggy and zergy that it's unplayable, no thanks.
Throne and liberty
New world
in castle sieges all i see... 1000green dots vs 1000 red dots spamming aoe skills... are kiding me mate?
@@konkats-tg7pfit’s different when you’re playing it but when ypu play eso all you see is 50 players and then you crash or lag so bad you might as well have crashed.
@@konkats-tg7pf can't even have 1/10 of that on eso without it becoming unplayable 🥱
Dude this is never gonna happen they can’t take constructive criticism just quit it’s sad to say we all love the game but they are just gonna milk it until it dies they don’t care what we say all these people have been working on the game saying they are working on it for years. The lead PvP combat designer stinks eggs at the game. The game has been going down hill sense one tam. Removal of skill gaps lack of funding servers. The unionization of the studio was the final nail in the coffin the game is done move on.
The you tube content creators are not that great either. All you guys ever do is complain.
I think sekaar is aware of this and is actively trying to not be apart of that crowd now, Its fine to be mad at a game but having no constructive critisism doesnt help anyone.
@VisualBliss. I used to follow content creators, but not anymore. It's like what happened recently to asmgold. You guys get caught up with your followers who want hate on everything, and to keep your UA-cam numbers up, start saying what they want to hear. You guy lose yourself in their misery.
Def better than that zos PvP video 😂 I completely agree with this video! Me and my friends keep saying nerf balorgh, I love it, you love it, but it’s a staple rn
Tbh I’ve had a hard time making anything new because I’ve felt that the PvP side of the game is stale so it’s hard to find inspiration. I’m trying to be better and slowly fix things both with the game and with my own view as a content creator but it’s not an overnight thing.
@@Sekaar I’ve been playing since day 1, been watching your builds for some time, I’ve got similar things nothing exact, but I respect it. All I can say is I was very surprised to see one of the Top PvP influencers and creators for the game be so bad at it, no offense just speaking truth as any pvper would agree 😅 try this build out for your nightblade
Lightning staff/SnB
Oakfather rally cry markyn balorgh. Honestly goated. The new soulcleaver is good for Imperial city as well. If you crit funnel health an add I’m getting 10-20k heals every 2 seconds for 10 seconds (only in IC as they have ads to hit, which getting that heal in PvP is insane)
Very fun I main the blade, but I brawl mostly. Still haven’t seen that build on UA-cam, very surprised I’d be more than happy to see it leaked 🥰
Ps: using contingency as well unless I’m running cleaver, then I use funnel health but it’s phenomenal in bgs
I have almost 12,000 hours in ESO .I don't do pvp and I regard myself as a casual player .If I wasn't happy with the game I wouldn't play it .