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With this latest stream result maybe they’ll listen this time.

If the average person made a thing, like the devs have this game, it's not only natural but inevitable that they're going to listen and read and watch what people have to say about that thing... That said, to be 100 percent honest and blunt, if I were the devs of this game, at this point, I wouldn't listen to shit the players have to say... In fact, I would probably find out what they think "Should" happen and do the exact opposite... I sincerely think that the players, not the devs, have ruined this game with their nonstop whining about what the game didn't give them... I didn't start playing at launch, but since 2019, I've heard so much negative feedback, it's insane... And almost NO positive... If any... I love this game and I appreciate it as a body of work that took a lot of people a lot of time to produce and maintain... I play it everyday and I do wish certain things were different and in a lot of cases I just wish they were how they were just a few years ago... But they aren't... If the players would just shut up and quit acting like a bunch of spoiled children who seem like they're owed a game to their specifications, it would stop getting worse... Or they can just keep on and the game will continue it's downward spiral until we're all watching a video about the one dude left on the server who just logs on to farm mountain flower for some reason... I think you're an awesome player and I like a lot of your content, but this whole democratic approach just highlights what I mean... WE, as players, don't have a say in this... The fact that a lot of us act like we do may well be why the devs keep making such "bad" decisions... I mean, at some point, it's only human nature for people to just develop a fuck you attitude toward nothing but negativity in what they've created... I mean no disrespect to you or anyone else... Just wanted to say what never gets said...

This isn't anything new, players have been saying this. I can remember this being brought up like 5-6 years ago. The devs are sadly not very good at the game, both PvE and PVP but it's blatantly obvious on the PVP side.

seems like a good idea. but it wont work. stopped watching at 3:15 seconds.

The you tube content creators are not that great either. All you guys ever do is complain.

Have some of you not already learned after a decade.. ZOS does NOT listen and does not care, at all. They only occasionally try to give illusion of caring, but they don't. Ever since they stopped the Class Rep program, it was the moment they openly stopped caring about ANY feedback. I mean, us oldies do remember that they ignored most of the Class reps feedback also, but.. at least they did have some effect on few things here and there. But after that? Pure downhill for years, mostly bad changes no one asked for and games performance is absolute dog poop. Pvp people have moved to other games.

Yo whoever manages PvP in TESO Is A Genuine F in Retard Dev: Nerfs Jabs 4 Templar Uses Jabs On Stream Dev: tries to grab relic 4+ times being interrupted dev: copies PvP build off someone else still embarrasses Himself. F in, Idiot HEAVY ATTACKING IS A TUTORIAL U F in, RETARD

Respect has gone out the window with ZOS a long time ago. Can't say anything to them in stream without getting banned. Hit em where it hurts and stop giving them money.

Update the sword play for light and heavy attacks. Make the animations look flashy and cool, like in the cinematics. Add War Mammoth's to Cyrodiil, place them like Siege equipment, give us the ability to ride them and damage keep walls. Update the design of current day Cyrodiil. See West Weald and Blackwood? Update the graphics so Cyrodiil looks beautiful. Make us WANT to fight for it. Allow us to place our other characters as house guests/companions.

I might just be hopelessly optimistic, but I don't have any problems with ESO, I freaking love this game. Have for over 10 years now and I don't see that change anytime soon. Sure there are flaws, with it, things that could be done bett,er but overall, I don't have prolems. But I am also just a filthy casual so maybe that's why.

really loved your eso content man, you have awesome ideas, your willingness to play different sets/builds/combos was refreshing in the space. i wanna commend you on your approach and being positive man and owning your shit from the past, super commendable dude. hope you keep having a blast with Destiny, i'll keep watching ya! :)

Did the class rep program actually impact anything though? Seems like it was just lip service, and ZoS took no feedback and just did what they wanted anyway. I agree in your premise, I just don't think they've ever really been interested in listening. 🤷‍♂️

100% agree! Great points! My strike might begin in January when they do their reveal for 2025. If the reveal doesn’t mention Cyrodil or any updates to PvP then I’m done done with ESO plus. Last year they baited us with the PvP announcement in Q4, if they do that again I don’t think I can take the abuse anymore.

Never found PVP in ESO enjoyable because it is not intuitive. Half the time I walk out of PVP duel scratching my head thinking how did I die, or even worse how did I win... and I've been playing since beta. You can hate on me for this all you want but it is just not fun. And god forbid you run into a ballgroup, might as well leave. I played WOW PVP from Classic till Cata, even in its basic form it was complex enough to be fun for experienced players and simple enough for the new player. ESO PVP experience for the new player looks like this: 1. Set yourself up the best you can, based on your skills and sets and join Cyro or BG. 2. Get T-Bagged the entire duration while you cant kill shit. 3. Quit and look-up builds to get better. 4. Try again. 5. Most likely fail again. 6. In 95% cases quit PVP to try it later or never. Hate me all you want but its the reality. Knowledge and skill barrier to entry is too great for it to be fun. Idk about you but most of the ppl I play with have jobs and kids and sinking bunch of hours into something that isn't fun is not going to happen. It would be different if the process of learning would be fun, but it's not.

dude they gave me a forum ban for saying "He was unaware of basic resource management. Thats embarrassing for everyone." To me that's an FU shut up we don't care.

Something very similar to the "representation" system you proposed does exist - the developers have an official discord server for the ESO Content Creator Program that peeps can use to submit feedback and concerns about various aspects of the game. The creators that are a part of it are stream team members, UA-cam content creators, and podcasters primarily, so they do have a lot of folks that can represent all facets of the community. For example, they have Pain and Okuy for solo open world (and BGs), Neli and thepaleorc for large-scale pvp, myself for small-scale pvp, skinnycheeks and Eigh1Puppies for endgame pve, etc. The creators in this discord server bring up concerns that garner a lot of attention and discussion from their respective communities. The devs are pretty receptive to the feedback and bug reports that are submitted there; they interact with posts, let us know that feedback is being passed along to the right departments, etc. This does not necessarily mean that what gets brought up (which is meant to represent what the community has been saying) will be addressed or implemented, but at least that line of communication does already exist. There are a lot of factors that go into addressing feedback that we must not be aware of, and it's that whole process that I wish the devs were a bit more open about so we could understand what is going on, why some feedback is not considered/implemented, and why other feedback is.

They do not give a F about pvp community nor do they ever have. Nothing to apologize or such... just canel your eso+ and to be honest there are plenty of other games to dive into. Dont feed Zo$$$$$ any of your money

I think they should hire people like you with experience with the game and a connection to the community to run the PvP in Zos

I agree with the communication changes. But I think paywalling twitch drops is a terrible idea.

You’re not going to be able to delete negative comments fast enough. Like I said, this exact thing has already been tried. Deleting my comment won’t change that. 🤷🏼‍♂️

I think alot of inspiration for PvP can be taken from Warhammer Online, it was a game with awesome PvP but near non-existant PvE and also a PvEvP. me and my guild leader pushed for the guard skill to come into ESO, now it wasn't done the way we intended but its still something. Scenarios were 2 sides only, and yet it worked. yeah skill gap eventually led to one side being dominant.

They've done this, they still don't listen. Next idea

Besides ZOS not listening to us they actually implement negative changes that nobody asked for while ignoring problems that have set message boards on fire year after year

Just look at Throne & Liberty and you will see how communication with the community works

Sometimes when i hold the attack button, my green and blue bars go up? Weird.

I can see this video is flagged restricted, FYI.

Great take both in your effort to be less toxic and what zos should do to help communication. I agree that eso plus is unneeded. I haven't subbed since coming back and don't know if i will. Seems like one chapter a year and one expansion isn't worth a monthly 15.

I respect what you’re trying to say here. But disagree. It’s not the devs and it’s not the community. It’s investors and shareholders. ESO and any live service game is a business first. Therefore it is their job to make money, and not to make their community happy. They prove this by putting out more “filler” content and “busy work” to keep the people that make the business their money happy. The devs are not unaware of eso problems and limitations but they are beholden to the business they work for, and its profit margins first and foremost. This means they must work within those parameters with the lowest amount of investment cost while trying to gain the highest revenue they can on their return. That’s why the pay shop and pve content/DLC’s are their priority This will never change. And come with limited issues. Any other form of content in this game such as pvp will always take a back burner. UNLESS they can find a way to capitalize on making pvpers spending money like pvers do. Otherwise they will always do the bare minimum because there is no financial incentive to investing in that part of the company. The engine is only getting older too. As an avid pvp only player it sucks to realize this. No matter how much I wish it wasn’t true it is. And I finally understand it now.

please, please include some console representation, and real players, not just elite PC users that play the game very little now. I feel this is the last chance saloon for the developers given what we all witnessed in that battlegrounds stream from Brian, it certainly explains a lot. Just look at the way that they New World devs are working, their latest roadmap is full of information on what's coming and what they're looking at trying, it's a world apart from what we are getting from ZOS.

Zos gives 0 fucks man

Rich lambert has said a lot of the things ppl want in the game just aren’t possible due to the games memory. Game has been through many devs which have built spaghetti code on top of spaghetti code backed by subpar servers. They’d need to completely rebuild the game lol. Which would cost them too much money. The devs at ZoS are just as broke as everyone else. The investors are the ones that control what they can and cannot do to the game. We can ask the devs for changes til we’re blue in the face but money doesn’t materialize out of thin air.

Weren't you fired as a customer? 🤔😅

It's clear that the ESO moderators don't know how to play the game's PVP. You would be one of the guys I would lean on to give guidance on how to improve the game for us 🌻

I hate to say it but they dont care. They only want to work on repackaging the game for 30 buck every year like cod. They have never listened to feedback from players since release. They simply dont respect there player base, theyre in it for the bag. Pvp changes takes forever and help retain a ton of players///// compared to a house they designed in 20 min they can sell for 100$ real life. U tell me whats wrong

As a content creator myself, I completely agree with everything you said. However it will unfortunately fall on deaf ears just like previous attempts with godzilla and others. Zenimax has been doing this for years now. They won't listen nor change. The game will die soon enough

Oh here we go again lol. Better off pissing in the wind brother

I'm watching the developers Battlegrounds stream now and I'm amazed from the low damage of this templar critical hits, what? like just 2.5K critical hits lol.... it makes me feel like a badass I did 7K Molten Whips critical hits in my gameplay video.

2:04 Sekaar, you need to talk with TheRealGodzilla and SawmanUK and IsThereNo1Else and Nyce. This was something tried 2 or 3 years ago... ZOS fudged it back then and I don't think anything has changed. I played PVP exclusively a few years ago and quit because the PVP community wasn't being heard nor was it being represented in any of the updates that came out... for years. I hope I'm wrong... I hope you're able to get ZOS to listen and make positive changes for the PVP community. The PVP element to this game is by far the best PVP I've ever experienced and it would be sad to see it disappear. Good luck man... and even tho I don't play it anymore, I still pay attention to yours and other channels in hopes of one day coming back.

Great constructive ideas for representation in every type of game play. I hope they watch and listen.

thank you for making this

I knew the devs don't really know how to play their game, but this was unbelievable. That warden who bagged Wheeler is a legend.

I'm just over trying to do anything pvp related it's not worth my time to just wait for the queue and Cyrodiil is dead af so whats the point basically gutted half the game

Nerf healing/shields in pvp by 30%. The defacto : I’ll out live your damage by healing / shields back bar and widow you down, is so boring and promotes bad gameplay. That’s why so quit after several years. Every remotely decent player is so incredibly tanky and can pump out decent damage. Now sprinkle in off healers etc, gross.

Realgodzillas attempt with Gina was the gun in face realization they dgaf. Gl though. Genuinely.

Everyone please cancel their eso plus. You don't really NEED that craft bag it just seems like it

They're all good ideas but sadly there's almost anything we can do to make them listen to what the community has to say, either that or they are just ignoring people. Skinny Cheeks tried something similar even trying to get into working for zos but got rejected. That's the difficult part i think, to get them to listen to us.

Man the best hope for the game with skinnycheeks getting hired at ZOS and when they didn’t hire him we all know it’s bc the devs have a tiny operating budget and won’t invest in the game. They have a money making formula and any more than the current DLC release schedule would cost money. Rich lambert has said repeatedly in every single interview he’s ever given things like “I’ve heard this criticism before, we can’t implement X feature bc we can’t do it easily” They won’t balance PvP and PvE separately bc it’s too expensive for them to do.

1. Put in starter builds for new players. 2. Put a free for all mode at the beginning of every game. All queues go into this free for all zone. Max 24 players per free for all. 3. Make the bg roles mean something. No cross healing if you aren’t support. Can pull and cc someone if you are tank on short cool down. Deal Less damage if you are tank but take reduced damage. HP cap of 28k for dps, and healers

when the community say tank meta...devs think of facebook groups with abraams and leopards? when the community say crosshealing...devs think jesus healing sick people up on the cross? all the sh@t happening in cyro have an explanation....

Personally I love the new battlegrounds, specifically the rewards. Hot damn are the rewards great. Also, no amount of feedback is going to help out. ZOS doesn’t care because they don’t make any money from PvP. It’s an afterthought entirely bc so few people play. Perhaps 2000-5000 players queue up a week for battlegrounds (pc na), and only 300 or so play more than 1-3 games. Nobody plays, it’s that simple. The numbers are estimates, but getting on the weekly leaderboards takes about 30-40 games, imagine a leaderboard in a real PvP game that only took 30-40 games to make it, that’s crazy low.