Why I HATE the F-16 in War Thunder! [Outdated]
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0:00 The problems
4:35 How to play - Ігри
Ethan, that’s what I like to call a skill issue.
OH here we go.
@@N-L3 hehehe
Nahhh Ian gone lie it was amazing at launch but something definitely messed up the missles aim 9Ls it’s weird I hoped on a costume battles for about 2 weeks and everyday I noticed my missles missed and got flared crazy it’s weird
@@omnipotent-man8365 still nice rocket if you slave it whit apg-66
The f16 is restricted in so many way along with the mig
The F-16's flight model is mildly disapointing but missiles requiring less flares is excellent.
thing can one circle the mig17 which is essentially the only aircraft that could go toe to toe with the j7e and tomcat
Skill issue for your gs it’s your pilot wanna turn better turn off that damn after burner also all missiles changed
Why do I keep seeing this sentiment I swear non of you are flying it at the speeds it's meant to be flown at, even a spitfire can't turn for shit if it was going it's max speed, we have to take fights in this below 500 knots and for turning
"there isnt really any bias in air RB"
Su-11 wants to have a chat with you
Premium bias is real, A5C is still 10.0 even after the Br changed. Su25k (and TT) are both 9.7 instead of atleast 10.3 and Av8A is 9.7 IIRC. Xp50 at 4.0 is absolutely awful though if you're not in a zero or spitfire than can just outturn it, even though you can't outrun it
ok let me just... XP50 XP55 P51H F2G F4U 4B P47D28/M1 RE, P38K (at 5.0 despite being the direct competitor of the Hornet and the Ki83 that sit a whole BR above and have worse agility) F80C F89D F3D F5C (shouldnt have flares) A10 A6E F8U/E (bUt MuH wInGs bro you pull 14g snaprolls at mach 1.1 and you wonder why you snap? YOUR PLANE IS A MIG19 WITH AOA AND FLARES) F4E being now basically the US mirage 2k, F104 AT FUGGIN 9.3??? F14 TOMCAT??? PLEASE?? NO BIAS?? jesus christ, you and Perennial play America only.
@@kingghidorah8106 i sense.. commieboo
the F-89D sucks since the proximity munitions rework, you can throw 50 rockets at a Tu-4 and get a „Hit“ party
@@saika4043 F89D is obsolete, but what about the first version which is the one people is actually -using- spamming?
Commieboo? Bish, i main America, i am however aware of the BS. You're an US inbalance apologist.
@@meerbee2910 the av8 isnt actually that good. Its been powercrept which is really disappointing because it used to be a menace so the fact that it isnt that good means they fucked something up along the way. Probably giving every Russian tom dick and douchebag r60s for whatever fucking reason
I like how mig-29 is more maneuverable than f-16 while having worse avionics and larger size classic gaijin
But avionics and size don't matter in this case
the Draken is also larger and got worse avionics than the F-5E and it is equal to a MiG29 in a dogfight, where logic?
@@sodkijezu8748 let them muriturds cope
The F-16 has enough acceleration where you can quickly go 0% airbrakes to 500 mph and turn around quickly then reactivate and slowly accelerate back to mach. The one issue is that its placement of its M61 feels very offset and will be very hard to hit air shots you could hit with the F-14 (8:10 is a good example) especially since you can't crank your AOA very easily making dogfights more challenging. Other than the gun and turn speed I would say it's very good. The AIm7M will hit every shot as long as they aren't flying more than 45 degrees before you even shot the missile. The Aim-9L is good if your enemy isn't looking and the Aim-9G/H is good if your enemy is looking
I'm not sure how you got to the conclusion that the 9G/H are good when the enemy is looking cuz any IR missile is shit as long as the enemy is looking at you. And 9G/Hs aren't particularly flare resistant either.
War thunder - a game that have a realistic game mode where a plane designed to be the best dogfigher missing around half a roll rate and is outturned at higher speed by a starfighter
“Skill issue” is literally wrong when it comes to the f16 anyway. Most that don’t like it are very good at other jets. It’s just that this one is by design way different that almost all previous jets. If anything, “training/technique issue” would be more appropriate. The f16 needs to be flown more like a super-prop or mig15 than other top tier jets. Where you keep speed in the bank, and try to dump it when it’s time to turn fight, then use the power/altitude to get the speed back. TLDR: almost every top tier jet is a delta wing, this one isn’t, don’t treat it like it is. You are allowed to dislike it, but please stop saying it’s bad. For example, I don’t like bf109 cause I’m used to zeros, but that doesn’t make the 109 bad.
I think you actually said the opposite of the F-16's playstyle. You don't need to keep speed in the bank to dump your engine is so powerful and your energy retention is so high that you can basically afford to start at corner speed because you don't lose any speed.
@@appa609 yea, I mean more for the purpose of being able to avoid a sticky situation if you don’t want to be in it. But I agree, with good positioning you really wouldn’t need it in the first place
The difference is that you are the bf109 while literally every single other jet at top tier is a zero
@@justamicrowave2572 most dogfights irl takes place below 800kmh which is F-16's sweet spot for turning. In WT everyone goes on full burner 24/7, mach 1.1 or faster.
@@justamicrowave2572 the difference is... slow the fuck done once in a while and it outperforms EVERY other jet
“Why is my missile is going for flares” laughs in R60M
Something happened to the AIM-7F , it doesn't track nearly as well. I started missing tons of shots I made before the patch .
I’m so glad I’m not the only one who has this problem. Out of nowhere my aim7 rarely ever goes to target when I have a good lock or it just explodes in mid flight. The tracking has also gotten a lot worse for a middle that can pull 25gs
I feel like the new look up mode causes more misses than it fixes; If they have chaff it nearly always loses lock even if they're in a head-on, aslong as they're above you the radar sucks
@@h4r0ld59 Sekret DOKUMENTS, TOVARISCSHAMERICANSKKY
I stopped using the Aim 7M on this plane & started taking all 6 9L’s. I’ve noticed that if you hold a radar lock you can launch the 9L out from a further distance & it seems to track better & ignore flares a little more.
Interesting
ya cause it slaves the seaker, im not the best to explain it but it basically helps to get a more reliable lock somehow
How much further?
The F-16s G limiter is there, but it's funny. How many Gs you can pull depends on your weight. At minimum fuel load, you can pull 11 Gs. And to fix the manouvering, simply slow the mother fuck down, you're going mach Jesus the whole video, stay between 350-450 knots unless you want alot of energy for a Sparrow or some shit. My advice is bring 20 mins if fuel+drop tank. That way, it's the same as having the max fuel load, minus the drop tank, but you can dump the fuel if you need to. Really wish Gaijin would let us dump fuel from internal fuel tanks.
Hej Perennial!
Can you play the draken? Ironically it got a “G-limiter” now to counter flat spin! It’s a turn fighter that can’t turn anymore
Apparently it got removed... rollback lol
Asymetric loadouts are best. Just figure that at the end of the game, when you have used all your missiles optimally, you'll have a clean jet anyway.
I wish I had the F-16 even if it sucks, one of my favorite planes and since Im not playing a lot right now I dind't get it before the F-14 turned into rank 8, so now I need the whole A-10 line, wich is very annoying.
Great video as usual Perennial. Keep it up!
It definitely doesn't suck. It may have some issues but it is one of the easiest planes to fly. And is very fun
@@rexxmen not easy but certainly not that hard either. Average f16 players I’ve seen are absolute dogshit
f16 is an amazing aircraft, this content creator is too accustomed to f14 and is attempting to shit on a phenomenal aircraft, you can control all your engagements wether you wanna boom and zoom or turn fight however it requires more than 2 brain cells to fight.
When dogfighting your optimal speed should be 600-500mph depending if you want to take the flight vertical or downwards
In normal match, carry:
4x aim9l
2x aim7m
drop tank +20min
As outlined in video, it's best to go straight or to the right depending on wether you face us/ussr not
Go mach one then climb at 30-40* angle until 6-8km
Pick off any high altitude fighters
When in bvr always crank once you have launched missile
(Note- you will beat every single jet in bvr unless it is mig 29, if so notch and chaff immediately so you can take him to dogfight)
After high altitude adversaries are handled, dive down on enemy team and fling those boom sticks
tl:dr -this cc is a bit clapped and suffers from skill issue, you want to orbital strike
Energy management is key as if your hold afterburner without managing speed you will get vibe checked
Have fun with 3 kills minimum per game
@@justtypical8604 problem is it’s not fun and f16 and the Mig 29 are the only ones with a g limiter. Also aim 9m isn’t even added yet bruh you mean aim 7m? Plus, you have to go slow to outturn people and that’s the last thing you want. If you wanna boom and zoom all day I would just play props instead and I would have more fun out of it.
@@justtypical8604 also, 3 kills per game minimum is a dream if your missiles actually hits and ignore all factors that’s affected by gaijin’s spaghetti coding or sometimes the missiles goes straight for your own teammates
You can flare while g-locked by using periodic flares.
If you walked into the F-16 expecting turd which bleeds its speed in a single turn like the tomcat then this jet is not for you, this isn't a 1 trick pony whose only overrated but nearly irrelevant ability up its sleeve (rating) is meant for, you're meant to use your airbrakes to get within its best maneuvering speeds, but I suppose speed management isn't something the Top Gun movies teach you, I'm not surprised that someone who calls the tomcat the best jet ingame says the F-16 sucks, literally all your complaints translate to "massive skill issue" or swallowed some reformist propaganda
I have had the R27ER literally track and kill aircraft I wasn't locked into, and they weren't close to each other, but rather several km away.... I have no idea why, it's like it's a FOX3 just going off, it makes 0 sense, it's only been happening routinely since the update too... Will need to go play western sparrow throwers now and see if it's the same.
Just saying someone complaining about f16 or f5c feels so spoiled. Like f16 dominates matches and currently has just mutch more than for example mig 23 which goes against it almost every game. This is the last thing u can complain about, you rost op plane in the top tier not being op enough
The R27T still isn't working that well, it has ECCM yet gets fooled by a single flare. But yea im constantly able to 1 flare aim 9Ls
I hated the F-16 when I first got it too, then I learnt how to air brake and love it now.
I really only see the F-16’s good because I have to spam 40 flares for Aim 9Ls in the Mirage 2000
How dont content creators realize that you can press airbrake and slow down to 1000km/h or so, and then out-turn anything there is while abusing your thrust to weight ratio. It really isnt that hard.
Exactly. The MiG-29 and F-16 are in the same boat of having enough power that they can just dump all airspeed and UFO around. Once their nose is on target, just throttle back up and rocket ship back into the fight. It's not that hard, he's actually just suffering a skill issue. Radar missiles are a bit weird at the moment, but at least the radar on the F-16 doesn't get chaffed.
FR Bro he starts with "You can cry skill issue" bros literally explaining a hard skill issue while saying "Stay fast" bro no you're literally shit.
Server issues makes sense. I have had multiple matches where my rounds from the Volcan on the f1 pass completely through a plane with no hit markers or damage done. Also the random missles doing an instant 90° turn or passing you harmlessly only for it to magnetically return to you.
I think that later models will have these issues solved - it is already happening, similar how later Mig-23 versions are much better than earlier.
Nice paint btw.
Oooh... This might explain also why the GSH-23 on the F-5C is also completely unimpressive all of a sudden.
However, the AIM-9E seems to feel/behave better than before... Or that might be because the other missiles feel worse.
What are you smoking? I want some of it. The F-5C doesn’t have a GSH-23 as that’s a Russian 23mm Gatling gun. I forget what it has specifically, but it has two 20mm guns on the nose
American cannons have been bugged for a while. Playing one of the cannon Corsairs used to be so fun but for months they have been underperforming.
Yeah, I've definitely noticed that the M's will just randomly pull 90 degree turns for no reason.
Meth mode is my favorite description of how these missiles have been acting.
I like your videos, pls keep them up :)
People saying skill issue are boring, even as a joke, like its getting tiring in this games community.
Skill issue
@@metalfight1234 Not funny
Seriously ikr, it's the only war thunder comeback that the community knows. Instead of listening to his points and evidence AND experience they just go to the comments and type "Skill issue" like little bitches.
@@N-L3 yet you laughed at 2 other skill issue comments💀
@@141menace I knew you were gonna reply to that, also I laughed sarcastically you sadistic bastard.
"It's the pilot, not the plane."
4:30 the SU-57 is way WAY too underrated
Bind mb5 to change control mode an you can turn faster
To be fair IRL the F-16A (ESPECIALLY the A) did have BOTH a G limiter and AoA limiter. The M2KC only had a G limiter.
I'm not saying that it should remain this way, I'm just saying that might be why. And that, even if removed, it wouldn't really change all that much, the F-16A even without the limiter just isn't capable of pulling insane amounts of AoA like other jets are due to the design of the A version, and more specifically and especially the early block A models like we have. There were multiple remedies to increase AoA and specifically instantaneous turn rate and instantaneous AoA on the F-16C, in both the physical design of the F-16 (like including a larger air intake) and in its flight control computers/fly-by-wire system.
irl most planes cant survive 13g turns. Either we get both, or none. Anything inbetween is a disadvantage to someone
Yeah my opinion exactly. All Planes should have 9 g Maximum Limits.
But couldn't the limiters be disabled?
@@Boris_The_Turtle not on all planes or all models. Most planes now do have some type of switch or button to turn off any limiters, but they didn't always.
@@hazeldsr well actually they can, it's just the risk/chance of damaging or destroying the airframe is very high. But they can absolutely survive 13G's.
They're limited for the pilot more than the plane, however it does ALSO have the advantage of saving the airframes. In WT we don't have to worry about either since neither of them are real.
Finally someone else who acknowledges the crazy que times.
Oh no! Four whole minutes in the video! Other youtubers keep quiet about it, because they remember very well the snail argument that BR decompressing will cause longer queues (and you probably play on the SA server, where everyone flies for the USA. On other servers there are no such problems)
@@Scorchluck when most top tier matches last 5 whole minutes yes 4 minute que times where 5 nations have more than enough people to fill up a match it becomes annoying to have to wait
Can't say the same. My longest at 12.0 was 2 minutes. Most are 40s to 1m 20s. The quality of matches increased for me, more fair fights.
If you use radar the aim 9L is a bit more reliable
Yes when I am firing a radar missles it decides to try and fly to Africa
You make this video and I just lose a game 7v1 vs an f16, I think we all just need to be better lmao
The only good things that people managed to squeeze out of the SU-57 is the paint jobs and Top Gun: Maverick.
dude, you can just airbrake and literally outrate everyone in 2 circle fight, literally has the best rate speed in the game (and irl, unless it's the raptor or other supermaneuverable jets), no need to worry about compression
Whats up with the long queue time at 12.0 br right now?😢😢
Use Sim controls in RB. Then you'll turn like crazy.
This is why I think this game will die soon. When the best strategy in high tier is to spam missiles are whatever target you see, you’ve kinda got a not very well thought out game mode.
Now they changed massively the IR missiles
And Aim-9L is nerfed / buffed depending on how you look at it
Same here, I kinda dont like the F-16 as well. Its not as fun to fly as the mig29
also 9L for flare resistance nerfed
I swear I feel like I can beat the f16 while flying an f8 crusader. I mean I actually have a 77% win rate in that plane with over 400 matches and that’s even considering that half the turns you take instantly rip both of its wings. I still have an almost 60% win rate in the f16 but man that plane just doesn’t feel right. I bring up the crusader to point out that I’m specifically good with planes that are designed to dogfight, like the f16. I understand that going into fights at almost Mach 1.3 will destroy your ability to turn and that you want to dump speed in exchange for AOA, but that’s the problem; you gotta get down to like 400 km/h to be able to pull 9 G’s when it should be a little more than twice that speed with you pulling much harder. The f16 just currently doesn’t do that. It’s a plane that was purpose built to be unstable with a reclined pilot seat because the expectation was always that youd be pulling 800 km/h turns at much higher AOA. Also why the hell does the reclined seat literally not even matter at all lmao? There’s just so many problems and it’s been bringing me back to the f14 even with its dogshit missiles. Holding out hopes that this is a case of they just weren’t ready and will learn as they go and make the necessary changes to the flight model as they learn, but it’s gaijin so I know that even if that happens it’s going to be atleast a year from now.
so here me out about the aim7,s, don't use them like your a tomcat or MiG, use them in pop up attacks against medium alt targets in head ons at 5km( use ACM mode) , I've noticed that even if you immediately crank after firing and even lose lock you will still get the hit ( i don't know why but the aim7 will still track ) I can reliably get two kill in head ons because of ground attackers flying at 1000/1500m barely have room to evade
( when you crank don't do anything crazy like a full 90 crank, just 30 or 40 degrees out of your targets way/direction is enough, I think this happens because even if your radar is showing that your lock is getting weaker the plane you fired at is still being "painted" by energy from your radar and your missile having a head on firing solution makes it very easy for the aim 7)
so to recap in steps
stay low and fast so its harder for tomcats and mig29's to hit you and give your aim7 adequate speed of your rail
use ACM mode to quickly acquire a target within 8km/7km, then fire at max of 5km or min of 3.5km ( if target is on the deck/to low dont use your aim7 )
after the missile has left your rail crank either 30 degrees left or right of your target ( whichever way is not going to get you shot immediately )
when your aim7 looks to like its absolutely going to hit break your lock and immediately rinse and repeat the previous steps for the next target
after your out of sparrows haul ass back to your team and be good bait for your teammates that climbed and re enter the fight at the back of the pack
Sitting here in my block 50 in DCS consuming a strong drink 🍷
DUnno about warthunder in general but in DCS you dogfight at around 300-450 knots, nobody flies with mach 1.2 all the time.
yeaa warthunder is.. not particularly realistic., going 300-450 knots will get you killed in second's
I mean...
Looks cool...
The problem with the aim-9L right now is that it’s taking the “L”
It's not really a skill issue if you have an opinion, I was really hyped for the F-16 and now that i have it it's just the same thing over and over again. Plus the matchmaking time is horrible.
"akin to an angle of attack limiter"
No, it's literally just an angle of attack limiter. If you look at charts of turn rate vs Mach number / airspeed at certain altitudes it'll hit 22 or 24 peak (depending on model) and flat line like a plateau there. That's explicitly the angle of attack limiter.
You are spot on
@@perennialE I'm not actually sure if it was to limit G forces tbh. If you pull too much AoA you can have boundary layer separation where the air over a wing is no longer attached.
The only aerodynamic object I know of off the top of my head that intentionally flow separates is a parachute.
So flow separation is something you *really* want to avoid. And that's what those leading edge chines on the hornets, vipers, and the GR.7 do. They create vortexes which are super turbulent at high AoA, turbulence is normally bad. *But* it's also 'sticky', better to have a turbulent vortex glued to the top of your wing then laminar airflow that's separating off.
@@hypersonichobo4263 AoA limiter and G-limiter are separate. AoA limiter is mostly useful at low speeds
I agree with this. I'd take the kfir or the mirage f1 over this. Was very disappointed with the f16.
Gaining rents the servers, IMHO that is the root of the problem. That is why it takes so long to fix issues.
6:50 missiles are not doing missile things
thats also called skill issue, and seryously? complete seconds for people to react to rounds? really? sounds like late guiding of the aim
edit: i mean, some things make sense but the rounds being slow af and predictable is completely wrong also the f16 has the best turning the tiers 7 and 8, but i do agree with the poor actuation of the rounds when hitting something
Believe it or not, the F-16 is actually completely fine. You may not have noticed this, but planes like the MiG-21bis, the J-7E, F-14A, the Viggens, the Drakens and most other aircraft at 10.3+ can only pull a sustained 11Gs, which the F-16 can do on the deck. I've tested this myself across a wide range of speeds, and I come up with the same result every time. So why does the F-16 feel like it turns so slowly? It's because it has the same "quirk" that the J-32B has. The J-32B can maneuver pretty well within a certain sweet spot, but it accelerates extremely quickly due to the fact that it's a subsonic airframe with a Rolls-Royce Avon duct-taped to its ass. The J-32B wants to turn in one direction, but the engine is constantly trying to push it forward. Result? It feels like shit in a turn unless you slow down, unless you want the wings to pop off.
5:36 that’s how I play any just that has speed, no matter their names or nation, always be like a bee😂
Its a great plane but the problem is almost every other plane is artificially greater lol
they changed how ALL missiles react with any type of countermeasures to make missiles not as annoying for people who have just a few flares
F-16 players complaining it’s not strong enough
Me in my F4J crying cause my flares don’t work against all the insane missile spam from F16s and Mig29s I see 9/10 matches.
br issue
i'm good with AIM7 on F14 but 2 is not enough at all
Play the mig 29 somehow that jet and all of its weapons always finds the target. Even test flying a plane I can pull more G without my pilot. Passing out pretty much the company saying everything that they make in. Russia is better than everything that anyone else makes Abrams tank, junk Bradley junk A-10 warthog useless really breaks my heart. I really love this game. I’ve been playing it for 10 years. It was somewhat fair back in the day with World War II armor now World War II versus Cold War era vehicles just the other day and a 10 warthog came into a game on arcade with tiger tanks. Come on man that’s stupid.
He'll ya another right hand air rb bro 🤣. We are the few.
I enjoy a ton the F-16, especially the missiles. Always great for dogfights, never had complained about it, except repair costs.
f16 has been buffed over the past few months since its been added so maybe thats why he didnt like the plane back then
Have you ever heard of its effective maneuvering speeds? Of course you're the guy who called the tomcat the best ingame so you're probably just a tomcat fanboy or a reformist, anyway keep the F-16 at 580 to 780 kmh in a dogfight, thank me later
Having up to 6 Sparrows as well as the capacity to carry aim 54s, which if actually launched at proper distance, altitude, and at targets travelling towards you relatively, will hit, makes it better than a plane that carries 4 missiles that take 1 flare to dodge, and only 2 sparrows. Also, no TWS radar that auto locks onto enemy targets in a band a cross your screen (works like hmd sometimes in a dogfight, not that you need that with the various acm modes, but it's really useful) that also works for slaving sidewinders without a hard lock. I think each has their own perks, friend, and I'll take the high AOA fighter that can compete in the rate fight because it carries better armament, and is simply more agile in almost every scenario other than a 1v1.
I mean.... The whole matchmaking has been explained to be a compromise for like over a year now. If you want decompression then matchmaking times will suffer has literally always been gaijins stance.
Don’t know if it’s related but I’ve been in servers where everyone has been lagging
the only bias is premium bias.
I get it but im not in it for the f16 f14 im in it for the beeter planes like the fa 18
the f16's fly by wire proba won't allow you to turn as sharply at higher speeds, the mirage is a delta wing and so even if there was a g limiter you probs wouldn't even notice as it bleeds speed rapidly in only small turns.
yeah but the M2K isn't as painful to fly at high speed as the Falcon, so that still doesn't make any sense, there is no reason for this stupid AOA limitation on the Falcon
@@jaek__ yeah exactly. Why did they start to add realist aoa limiter just now? You put it on every aircrafts or you don’t put it at all
nailed it talkin about getting too the other team befor they have finished talkin about Russian or USA bias loool 110% on point
to my knowledge most if not all 4th-5th gen aircraft have some sort of g limiter built into them irl. its used to keep the airframe from bending under Gs and to have more stable control of the aircraft, however this can at any point in time be disengaged for extra maneuverability. for example the flankers are some of the most maneuverable aircraft in the world but only can achieve this if the system that limits the plane is turned off
Only the FBW ones. The F-14/F-15 do not. The Mig-29 has a soft one that can be pulled past. The Su-27 has one that can be disabled. The F-18's G-limiter can be overridden from 7.5 to 9. Idk euro stuff. The F-16 has a hard limiter at 9G's
@@appa609 that’s probably because pulling a lot of Gs is bad for the plane and the pilot
F5c cannons are bugged and they won't do damage or even hit
I refuse to play it anymore
Yes, An angle of attack limit is the exact same thing as a g limit
Its not and the F-16 is limited to exactly 28 Units of AOA
it is not the same lol
@@SanyaTheNightWitch69420 other aircrafts are limited/can achieve how much?
I love how he is getting a ton of kills and still complain😂
I find it funny how people say the F-16 sucks yet it’s the #1 Plane I’m fighting against alongside the damn F-14 and for a good reason. Even with the AoA limit it still pulls AoA way better and more reliably than the Mig-23 ML ever will along with superior Thrust to Weight and Low Speed Stability. I have to grind my ass off to get the MiG-29 to be just as competitive.
Gluttons who would not be satisfied by all the riches of heaven
The F16 has just been a giant disappointment
Nevermind the ridiculously stupid Russian missiles that might as well have nothing in their code about flare or chaff detection. If Russian weapons in the game performed at all like they do in real life, they'd be just as much a danger to themselves as they are to us
The F-16 is not a plane made to pull a lot of AoA like the Mirage 2000, the FBW computer makes it fly like no other plane in the game since you cant just put the mouse where you want and make the plane "drift" (as much) like in other planes like the Mig-21, also the limiter gets stronger the faster you go so you need to slow down before trying to turn tightly
There is no glimiter only an AOA limiter, The F-16 is limited to exactly 28 Units of AOA
@@SanyaTheNightWitch69420 28 degrees?
This is 100% skill issue. I've been defeated in 1v4s by f16s. If when I first started I'd blame it on my lack of skill or knowledge. But anyone complaining about the f16 is the need to put more time in because there's an insane disparity between f16s and every other plane in the game when the pilot is an expert
skill issue as many times as you want in the comments but i just cannot get myself to like the f16 and alot of people i know feel very similarly about it wich is super upsetting because the f16 is one of the most anticipated aircraft to ever come to warthunder and no despite what some people may tell you the f16 doesnt have a g limiter im pretty sure its more akin to an angle of attack limiter than anything i just want to know why the f16 cant participate in the over exaggerated flight models of the rest of war thunder fun fact the mirage 2000 had a g limiter and it uhhh was taken away before it came to the live server why this didnt happen to the f16 is beyond me okay i have to. 1 minute of words -makrsu
War Thunder players discover what cornering speed is:
And that's why I use the F-14 or the new Russian fighter jet but also I'm just getting to the F-16
Missiles requiring less flaring is pretty balanced, especially in a front aspect. US players just aren’t used to how the Russians aircraft players had to play.
DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO FIX THE “ can’t play Warthunder due to lack of internet connection” BUG!!!!
Im playing it rn, crazy world
I think Gaijin just overcorrects everything including the Vulcan, F-16 turn rate, and Aim-9L flame resistant
I have the same problem
If the Mig29 had the same G limiter the F16 would actually counter it but Gaijin cant have another nation be stronger the Russia
You are playing it wrong. Low speed turns is what this plane performs best at
FINALLY somoene sees it
How absolutely dare you!
He one flared the mig 29 in a clip so at least it’s fair
The same happen with r24r they socks now mig 23mld sucks now!
MTI doesn't work very good
As a player who is maining the F-16, I have zero issues with the plane outside of the borked instructor. You climb, use your radar and Aim-7M's to BVR fight, and then orbital strike people with Aim-9L's. Haven't noticed much is any of a change in the flare resistance of Aim-9L's or Magic-2's. Haven't run into the 7M's doing crazy shit more times than I can count on one hand either. However, the times I have had it happen, I noticed all but one were when I was shooting into a hoard and presumably, the missile couldn't pick a target and decided to die instead. I am almost always shooting at high altitude, isolated targets, which is the best employment anyways.
The missiles perform just fine. The radar is fantastic. The flight performance is cracked in a way most players aren't used to at all. Never before have I had a plane that is so hilariously fast and rates so well at speeds between 800-1000km/h that I can almost consider myself completely untouchable with proper positioning. I don't even feel threatened by Fulcrums unless their energy state is similar to mine or I got surprised by one. Anyone claiming the plane is bad likely has a case of skill issue.
Or is stock. Ive stock grinded a few of them now (MLU, ADF, and Netz) and they handle rather horrendously until you get the boosters upgrade. Wasnt a fan of the thing at first, then after the booster upgrade, it became muuuch better. The roll rate and ability to point the nose was just sluggish without it. With it its pretty good though.
@@ovrwrldkiler Counter - Anyone making a general opinion on a plane that isn't spaded should frankly just be ignored...
Bro you're just missing the spicy documents, need to upload them to the forums
That is just skill issue not the F-16 itself