passing by, giving support btw, with the battalion box, for shooters, you can also go with 10 quarrellers, 10 thunderers and 12 rangers (using all the cloaked backs, including the warriors ones, they are 16 in total, and the other 4 you can use for unit champions) in 7th edition the "suggested" longbeards (by the book) were warriors with masks, white beards, and gold almost everywere
@@CherudexGamingsweet thanks for the quick reply! Hopefully a quick starter force to get on the table. My club is pretty lenient with proxies so will be all good!
@@DecrepitGaming I know they updated the longbeards to have their own box (I can't remember if they were an alternative to the Hammerers or the Iron Breakers), but you used to be able to upgrade a unit of warriors to longbeards by gluing a mask to cover their faces.
It has been my intention to make more detailed videos on where to start and what I would buy. I will get around to it once life gives me a break. Thank you for taking the time to leave me a comment
You can definitely make Longbeards from the Warriors in the battalion box. Also, Rangers from the quarreler/thunderer box. I haven’t been able to find any reason to run basic Warriors in any configuration. Core- Rangers, quarrelers and/or thunderers. Might as well give everybody great weapons since, unless you’re using the builds from the arcane journal, you’re not going to be getting many charges anyway. And if by some miracle you actually get off a charge, and have the initiative, and are up against lightly armoured models, you can always claim hand weapons and shield since the great weapons don’t replace the hand weapons. Also, plenty of options to create both lords and thanes from the basic Warriors/Longbeards boxes. Not to mention BSB’s.
Great reply earnest. I am glad to hear that the basic troops are easily converted. As you say it’s probably wise to arm everyone you can with a great weapon as your probably hitting last anyway and may as well do as much damage as possible
The Warriors box comes with dopey little masks that you’re supposed to glue on to indicate that they’re Longbeards. I don’t bother. I just use heads that have horned helmets and paint the beards white and grey. For the Rangers I just use the quarrelers as normal but paint the clothing in browns and greens, armour black with a light dark bronze drybrush, and since I give them shields, muted colors and dark bronze furniture.
I’ve had some decent results using line infantry (hammerers, Longbeards and/or iron breakers) in units of 24... 8x3. You can take up to 4 casualties before you lose the full rank bonus and you get 8 potential attacks at AP-2. This box is excellent value, and everything can be used with a little imagination. Blocky is dwarfs. The current units are so much better than the first generation Warriors/quarrelers.
The troops in the battalion box look great it’s really the iron breakers that don’t “do it for me “ I am fortunate that I still have a unit of old metal iron breakers in a box somewhere in my shed. Almost time to dig some stuff out. I agree that the battalion box is good value it’s the additional stuff that will break the bank, an example would be your 24 man units which by the way is a great number for a unit. Problem is the £52.50 boxes are 20 strong, so either we are talking proxies or £105 for a unit of iron breakers or hammerers. Starts to get expensive quickly doesn’t it. Not a big deal for some folks but a big deal for others.
I think that when you dig out your old Ironbreakers, and get a good look at then, you’re going to see that they’re not very different from the new plastics. Monopose, smaller overall and still basically just a dwarf in full armour with a bit of beard sticking out. The old metal hammerers were even worse. Absolutely the same model with the exact same pose... repeated. I actually traded my old metals for boxes of the AoS dispossessed dwarfs, and am merrily painting them using more current techniques. The best, in game, waac (🙂) use for the Ironbreaker/Drakes box is to build them as Irondrakes in units of 5, to maximize the number of torpedoes you can take. As far as price goes, remember that the AoS boxes were 10 per, not 20 so you’re only paying £26 per box, comparatively. The bloody things were $55 a box of 10 over here, as AoS models. Last point, you can use thematic unit fillers in larger units or just stick a few odd, appropriately painted, models in. It’s easy to convert Warriors, from the battalion box, to hammerers, for example. The Warriors come with the option of setting them up with great weapons, held in two hands, just like the Hammerers. The only problem is that all the two handed weapons are great axes. But it’s a minute’s work to snip the hammer head off the hand weapons and replace the axe head.
@@earnestwanderer2471 all valid points, and I quite possibly have the rose tinted glasses on when thinking about the old metal models. I will buy some of the new ones before I make any further comment. I also wasn't taking into consideration just how easy it is to convert plastics. a pair of side cutters and some plastic cement, job done.
Indeed they have, I can't agree with anyone that claims inflation or luxury hobby. At the end of the day they are reselling old miniatures that have paid for themselves already. The new stuff being a bit more expensive than the old stuff I could understand. I would recommend the battalion box to anyone thinking of a Dwarf army. Then I would recommend 3rd party manufacturers for all the bells and whistles miniatures. Anyone who complains that your miniatures are not official is a gimp/simp. Do not be put off the game by the cost, make it work. Heck I remember recently seeing an official article promoting the use of unit fillers (something I would never have dreamt GW would ever have done).
Don’t they. I’m not just imagining it then. They probably look better in the flesh so to speak than they do to me in the pictures. I will find out when I pick some up.
@@DecrepitGaming They aren't bad, but they do shift from the rest of the infantry and I guess that's why it was done. So the elite units could stand out more.
Great video, shame on the GW prices. As a new player to old world and warhammer tabletop its very off putting that the price of entry is so high. Would love for you to do more video's like this, showing a recommended list on OW builder, comparing prices, talking about items, etc. and maybe recommended proxys, 3d prints etc. Well done, grest job on the video. In other news, got my 6th battle against my friend tomorrow, hes currently 3-2 up in our bretonnia v TK battles. Hes going with skaven tomorrow so will be a nice change of opposing army for me, trying out my ushabti with bows and screaming Skull Catapult for the first time 😁
Thank you for your support dragon heart lad. Your pal will struggle Skaven are pretty weak on paper which is a damn shame but they still have a few tricks up their furry sleeves so maybe he will pull off a surprise, ushabti with great bows are excellent although maybe wasted against skaven, screaming skull is also excellent make sure to pay for skulls of the foe. Combine it with casket of souls for maximum pain :). Enjoy the game and report back on my next live stream or with your own batrep
@@DecrepitGaming Brother MANY Blessings on your Soul! We will bring SONG BACK! Otherwise we need to play it via... I don't know what.... Man Juicy Armies! Make 2 Videos. One Showing your Free Folk, the Other the Lannisters! (That Beautifull SCUM^^)
This was an enjoyable video. I would love to see it expanded into how much the "cheapest" dwarf army would be. Or how much a "competitive" army would be. Showing both GW prices and 3rd party alternatives to adjust the price. I know thats a lot of work but would make for great videos and its something no one else is really doing right now.
@@DecrepitGaming Just found your channell but will check through what else you have. :) I played Stunties in 6th Ed - love the models and fluff. But went for Orcs 6 Goblins after that and never went back...
@@DecrepitGaming Oh yeah. I am a sucker for Brian Nelson´s Orcs mainly, humble Orc wariiors. And Orcs in general. But the most fun is a classic, mix of the classic stuff IMHO.
Looking forward to painting vids of these little guys.
passing by, giving support
btw, with the battalion box, for shooters, you can also go with 10 quarrellers, 10 thunderers and 12 rangers (using all the cloaked backs, including the warriors ones, they are 16 in total, and the other 4 you can use for unit champions)
in 7th edition the "suggested" longbeards (by the book) were warriors with masks, white beards, and gold almost everywere
Thank you for that information. I do think the battalion box is good value and I’m super happy that I can build long beards and rangers out of it
Do you think you could build something like this?
===
Rangers [997 pts]
Warhammer: The Old World, Dwarfen Mountain Holds
===
++ Characters [85 pts] ++
Runesmith [85 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Full plate armour
- Shield
- Oathstone
- General
++ Core Units [443 pts] ++
10 Rangers [153 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Crossbows
- Throwing axes
- Heavy armour
- Shields
- Ol' Deadeye (champion) [Brace of pistols]
- Standard bearer
- Musician
10 Quarrellers [140 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Crossbows
- Heavy armour
- Great weapons
- Shields
- Veteran (champion) [Brace of pistols]
- Standard bearer
- Musician
10 Thunderers [150 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Handguns
- Heavy armour
- Great weapons
- Shields
- Veteran (champion) [Brace of pistols]
- Standard bearer
- Musician
++ Special Units [369 pts] ++
10 Longbeards [152 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Great weapons
- Heavy armour
- Shields
- Elder (champion)
- Standard bearer
1 Gyrocopters [65 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Brimstone guns
- Full plate armour (armoured fuselage)
10 Longbeards [152 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Great weapons
- Heavy armour
- Shields
- Elder (champion)
- Standard bearer
++ Rare Units [100 pts] ++
Gyrobomber [100 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Brimstone gun
- Full plate armour (armoured fuselage)
---
Created with "Old World Builder"
[old-world-builder.com]
@@bighammyrfc the braces of pistols for the shooting champs are not that good, also, is better to make a big 20 longbeards unit instead of 2 small
@@CherudexGamingsweet thanks for the quick reply! Hopefully a quick starter force to get on the table. My club is pretty lenient with proxies so will be all good!
You should be able to make rangers and longbeards in the battalion box as they are made from the crossbow and warrior sprees respectively
@@alanmander5603 longbeards have their own kit. It’s a duel kit with hammers
I hope so
@@DecrepitGaming I know they updated the longbeards to have their own box (I can't remember if they were an alternative to the Hammerers or the Iron Breakers), but you used to be able to upgrade a unit of warriors to longbeards by gluing a mask to cover their faces.
very informative, any chance you have this written down somewhere? lol
It has been my intention to make more detailed videos on where to start and what I would buy. I will get around to it once life gives me a break. Thank you for taking the time to leave me a comment
You can definitely make Longbeards from the Warriors in the battalion box. Also, Rangers from the quarreler/thunderer box. I haven’t been able to find any reason to run basic Warriors in any configuration. Core- Rangers, quarrelers and/or thunderers. Might as well give everybody great weapons since, unless you’re using the builds from the arcane journal, you’re not going to be getting many charges anyway. And if by some miracle you actually get off a charge, and have the initiative, and are up against lightly armoured models, you can always claim hand weapons and shield since the great weapons don’t replace the hand weapons. Also, plenty of options to create both lords and thanes from the basic Warriors/Longbeards boxes. Not to mention BSB’s.
Great reply earnest. I am glad to hear that the basic troops are easily converted. As you say it’s probably wise to arm everyone you can with a great weapon as your probably hitting last anyway and may as well do as much damage as possible
How do you convert the warriors to longbeards and quarrelers into rangers?
The Warriors box comes with dopey little masks that you’re supposed to glue on to indicate that they’re Longbeards. I don’t bother. I just use heads that have horned helmets and paint the beards white and grey. For the Rangers I just use the quarrelers as normal but paint the clothing in browns and greens, armour black with a light dark bronze drybrush, and since I give them shields, muted colors and dark bronze furniture.
I’ve had some decent results using line infantry (hammerers, Longbeards and/or iron breakers) in units of 24... 8x3. You can take up to 4 casualties before you lose the full rank bonus and you get 8 potential attacks at AP-2.
This box is excellent value, and everything can be used with a little imagination.
Blocky is dwarfs. The current units are so much better than the first generation Warriors/quarrelers.
The troops in the battalion box look great it’s really the iron breakers that don’t “do it for me “ I am fortunate that I still have a unit of old metal iron breakers in a box somewhere in my shed. Almost time to dig some stuff out. I agree that the battalion box is good value it’s the additional stuff that will break the bank, an example would be your 24 man units which by the way is a great number for a unit. Problem is the £52.50 boxes are 20 strong, so either we are talking proxies or £105 for a unit of iron breakers or hammerers. Starts to get expensive quickly doesn’t it. Not a big deal for some folks but a big deal for others.
I think that when you dig out your old Ironbreakers, and get a good look at then, you’re going to see that they’re not very different from the new plastics. Monopose, smaller overall and still basically just a dwarf in full armour with a bit of beard sticking out. The old metal hammerers were even worse. Absolutely the same model with the exact same pose... repeated. I actually traded my old metals for boxes of the AoS dispossessed dwarfs, and am merrily painting them using more current techniques. The best, in game, waac (🙂) use for the Ironbreaker/Drakes box is to build them as Irondrakes in units of 5, to maximize the number of torpedoes you can take. As far as price goes, remember that the AoS boxes were 10 per, not 20 so you’re only paying £26 per box, comparatively. The bloody things were $55 a box of 10 over here, as AoS models. Last point, you can use thematic unit fillers in larger units or just stick a few odd, appropriately painted, models in. It’s easy to convert Warriors, from the battalion box, to hammerers, for example. The Warriors come with the option of setting them up with great weapons, held in two hands, just like the Hammerers. The only problem is that all the two handed weapons are great axes. But it’s a minute’s work to snip the hammer head off the hand weapons and replace the axe head.
@@earnestwanderer2471 all valid points, and I quite possibly have the rose tinted glasses on when thinking about the old metal models. I will buy some of the new ones before I make any further comment. I also wasn't taking into consideration just how easy it is to convert plastics. a pair of side cutters and some plastic cement, job done.
👍👍
Thanks once again for leaving a comment:)
I would love to get back into Warhammer The Old World (Fantasy) with official products, but they've just priced the game way out of my budget
Indeed they have, I can't agree with anyone that claims inflation or luxury hobby. At the end of the day they are reselling old miniatures that have paid for themselves already. The new stuff being a bit more expensive than the old stuff I could understand. I would recommend the battalion box to anyone thinking of a Dwarf army. Then I would recommend 3rd party manufacturers for all the bells and whistles miniatures. Anyone who complains that your miniatures are not official is a gimp/simp. Do not be put off the game by the cost, make it work. Heck I remember recently seeing an official article promoting the use of unit fillers (something I would never have dreamt GW would ever have done).
TOW has the most alternative miniature options since the setting is generic fantasy.
The 8th edition Ironbreakers, Irondrakes, Hammerers, and Longbeards do look inspired by the old Squat exosuits.
Don’t they. I’m not just imagining it then. They probably look better in the flesh so to speak than they do to me in the pictures. I will find out when I pick some up.
@@DecrepitGaming They aren't bad, but they do shift from the rest of the infantry and I guess that's why it was done. So the elite units could stand out more.
Great video, shame on the GW prices. As a new player to old world and warhammer tabletop its very off putting that the price of entry is so high.
Would love for you to do more video's like this, showing a recommended list on OW builder, comparing prices, talking about items, etc. and maybe recommended proxys, 3d prints etc.
Well done, grest job on the video.
In other news, got my 6th battle against my friend tomorrow, hes currently 3-2 up in our bretonnia v TK battles. Hes going with skaven tomorrow so will be a nice change of opposing army for me, trying out my ushabti with bows and screaming Skull Catapult for the first time 😁
Thank you for your support dragon heart lad. Your pal will struggle Skaven are pretty weak on paper which is a damn shame but they still have a few tricks up their furry sleeves so maybe he will pull off a surprise, ushabti with great bows are excellent although maybe wasted against skaven, screaming skull is also excellent make sure to pay for skulls of the foe. Combine it with casket of souls for maximum pain :). Enjoy the game and report back on my next live stream or with your own batrep
The Answer is this: A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE STARTER^^
But I do love Warhammer Fantasy!
I have, free folk and Lannister’s :) sadly nobody to play it with
@@DecrepitGaming Brother MANY Blessings on your Soul!
We will bring SONG BACK!
Otherwise we need to play it via... I don't know what....
Man Juicy Armies!
Make 2 Videos. One Showing your Free Folk, the Other the Lannisters! (That Beautifull SCUM^^)
Good modern sculpts I'll pay for, but I'm not paying 2024 prices for metal and plastic that I owned back in the 90's.
I can understand that sentiment. Thankfully we have options these days.
so you pre order then
No, there will be plenty of battalion boxes available
This was an enjoyable video. I would love to see it expanded into how much the "cheapest" dwarf army would be. Or how much a "competitive" army would be. Showing both GW prices and 3rd party alternatives to adjust the price. I know thats a lot of work but would make for great videos and its something no one else is really doing right now.
I will have a look at that format. Thank you for your input:)
Started to watch this and got less than 2 minutes in before you are moaning about the price…..
Stunties huh? ;)
Indeed the vertically challenged folk make for a tough army, also very different to my current rabble :)
@@DecrepitGaming Just found your channell but will check through what else you have. :)
I played Stunties in 6th Ed - love the models and fluff. But went for Orcs 6 Goblins after that and never went back...
@@ja37d-34 A good choice, so much variety, very easy to make armies that bare little to no resemblance to each other.
@@DecrepitGaming Oh yeah. I am a sucker for Brian Nelson´s Orcs mainly, humble Orc wariiors. And Orcs in general. But the most fun is a classic, mix of the classic stuff IMHO.