One thing to keep in mind with 38 miles of range even if you have a 50 mile commute is that every single day you will use that 38 miles and then only do 12 on gas. If it gets 24mpg after the EV range then you'd only use 0.5 gallons a day for 50 miles which works out to 100mpg. In a 7 passenger big heavy brick shaped vehicle that's amazingly impressive.
What? That's miscalculation. .. You are using only gas usage in calculation but while calculating mileage you added ev km also to wrongly calculate 100mpg... You should say 100miles per $ amount (both ev charging cost and gas cost)
@@akhere07 While true,home electricity is vastly cheaper than gas for propulsion. So in my example, in order to go 38 miles you need to use about 18kWh of electricity. At the national US average of about 13.5 cents that would cost $2.34, or 6.2 cents a mile for that 38 miles. That same 38 miles with the 23mpg the gas Outlander gets in the city at $3.50 a gallon would be $5.76. Which means the PHEV saves you $3.42 a day, or on 6 days a week (work plus one shopping day) saves $20.52. at 50 out of 52 weeks a year that's 1026 bucks. Now comes the problem. The gas edition with AWC comes in at about 32k. The PHEV, more like 40k. That means about 8 years to pay the difference with just that much charging. Now you know why PHEVs aren't popular unless they get significant rebates. In Canada some provinces the PHEV gets 10 grand off making it the obvious choice. The only way it makes sense is if you can force other people to pay some of it for you.
Don’t be conned by the 7 seat stuff. Have you seen the legroom, or tried the headroom? It’s a marketing gimmick. It’s not quite so impressive when you consider that you can only carry very young children in that third row.
Since the battery is only 20kwh (less than an original Leaf), just charge it at home overnight and save time, money, and hassle. If you’re trying to quick charge a PHEV, you’re wasting your own time. That’s what the gas engine is there for.
38 mile EV range is good for my daily use. I used to own a 2014 Chevy Volt with 38 mile range and I only needed the engine once per month or two. Yet I still could take a long road trip using the engine instead of the fast charging networks that we have today.
I am getting 107 mpg in my Audi Q5 PHEV. Six days a week I drive just below the battery limit. My previous car was a BEV and I have no regrets switching to a PHEV.
My 18 outlander phev has 65k in under a year. No problems and 40 mpg avg. Bought it as a leftover on the lot. Great car. Bought after Nathan's last review with it!
@Jethro Stuff Not Enough...that's for sure. My sister was in an accident almost a year ago on Feb 6th and has been on life support in Vancouver Washington, I live in Joshua tree so I make the 2k round trip quite frequently. Approx.15 hrs straight through and 1,012 miles one way. Had BMW I3 and loved it but not good for a road trip like this. So phev splits difference for me as I commute locally otherwise for college and work.
@Jethro Stuff Small world! Beautiful place beside the Hayden island Bridge. Hahaha I commute from hillsboro when I'm up there so that Bridge is the bane of my existence currently. Below is my sister crash story. I share it in hope to find what caused accident. Was inconclusive Last night, Portland Fire & Rescue (PR&R) responded to a rollover accident at 10:00 pm around 3400 SW Scholls Ferry Rd. American Medical Response (AMR) arrived first on the scene and treated a female victim about 30 feet from the damaged car. When PF&R’s Truck 4 arrived, they assisted with moving the victim further from the car, which had caught fire and started to burn through the power lines above. PF&R's Water Tender 16 arrived and worked to extinguish the fire, which had burned through the power lines and started arcing on the ground near the car. Fire crews, along with AMR, were then able to assess the victim away from the dangers of the burning car, due to the bravery of two Portland citizens - Eli Bowden and Michael Hartung. Before Crews could arrive, these two young men were parked near the accident, waiting for rescue crews when the car caught fire. Without concern for their own lives, they pulled the one victim from the car and took her to a safer place away from the car so she could be treated. The victim was critically injured during the accident and was unconscious when Eli and Michael pulled her out of the burning car. Because of their courageous acts, she has a fighting chance to survive. The accident victim was quickly assessed by AMR and was entered into the Trauma System. The condition of the victim is unknown at this time. PF&R would like to thank both Eli and Michael for their bravery!
Hi, we've had our '23 Outlander for 6 months now and a few observations. - all values decrease in cold weather - we get best results around 20-25 degrees C (our summer) - easily get a range of 80km (49 miles) - easily get combined hybrid (ie zero EV charge) of
@@savannahjackson8513 Still happy with it :) I would love to drive around Queenstown - it handles so well - awesome 4WD. Down side is the cold in winter will possibly reduce your range for 3 months of the year - maybe 65km and steep hills drain the battery faster, but is an ideal Queenstown SUV (assuming you drive mostly 50-80km a day)
@@gmilne13 That’s great. Thanks for replying. Yes, I only drive about 50-60 kms a day… but occasionally we do road trips, so we wanted an ev, but didn’t want range anxiety driving around NZ
So what's your point?? You installed 220v charger, why don't you say results of charging of 220v??? Or differents between charging times of 110v and 220v???
@@momcilopucar8749 You may want to consider something less aggressive next time, like “how have you liked the 220? What differences have you noticed? Thanks!” That’s all. Have a nice day. 😊
Exactly! Great real world review guys👌 Day to day I do 20 miles top! All idle time will be electric and pre-heat the interior for winter will be too! I'm waiting to get mine, 2 weeks left!
Here's my 1 year 10k miles follow up I have 63 mpg in dash since new. I've towed a trailer four times in the appalache Hills and used the roof rack 6 month. I never do more than 150 miles/day (1 time/month). It's been an awesome suv. It handles a lot better than my 2015 v6. I've change the crappy 18 in falken before the delivery. I've stayed with 235 60 18 summer and winter (studded Conti Xtreme winter). If you're on the fence, I'd say just buy it.
I recently bought a Jeep GC 4xe with a rated 26 miles of EV range. After roughly 1000 miles, it's still showing 160 miles of range on the gas engine. I think this is the sweet spot between gas vs electric for now. As the Cannonball run(s) showed, road trips in an EV aren't there yet. Sure, there is the added complexity and weight, but the PHEV has a lot of advantages.
38 miles of range is insanely good. What's even more amazing is that it uses chademo, which is basically level 3 charging speeds. I haven't seen another PHEV that does level 3 charging speeds. The chademo charger gives a ton of options. Let's say you have a 70 mile round trip journey and the place you're stopping has a chademo charger. Well you can stop, charge and do the entire 70 miles on battery. Level 2 chargers aren't plentiful and I feel that more PHEVs should still give access to level 3 charging, but just lower the charge rate. Anyway, this looks like a great compromise for those that live in an apartment and might not always have access to a charger.
i gotta say, i'm impressed with this PHEV, especially for the size. If you have a shorter commute or need a weekend warrior car, you could likely drive without gas for months.
Had mine for 5 years and most of the time it was town driving so always electric, but when I wanted to hitch up my 1.5t caravan and head away it was using the gas and electric combination with none of the range limitations of a pure electric. Made it a great choice for me.
Ok so I have a 2023 Outlander GT. Some points: A) city driving is beautiful. Plug in at home use no fuel. B) Except when it’s real cold. The engine will come in fairly regularly to generate heat. C) I suspect the car did slow down the fast charging at 80% as that saves your battery life. D) the overall value of this vehicle is also based on your need for comfort and luxury. Which this vehicle has. People miss that the Rav4, doesn’t even have real leather. E) overall I’ve been very happy with my 2023 Outlander. The car feels excellent, and the warranty is fantastic.
The new Outlander PHEV is amazing. All the reviews I've seen can't believe how well it handles for a mid size SUV. I wouldn't worry much about reliability - the only thing that went wrong with my 2014 was a dodgy cruise control switch over 8 years and 108,000 km. With a genuine 38 miles of EV range most will do 90% of their driving in EV mode and that means the gas engine is only on a 10% duty cycle. It's a shame it's a bit overpriced.
Phev's aren't designed for fast charging. The battery is too small to take 50kw for a long period of time. Total EV's don't stay at peak charging rates long.
I'm all for larger battery size and faster charging rates in PHEVs. Land Rover PHEVs have 38 kWh batteries now, for example. RAM 1500 Revolution with range extender may be considered a series PHEV, with battery capacity over 100 kWh, most likely. Great evolution and options for people like us in mountain regions where PHEV gives us the natural backup plan.
@@ThatGrizzlyGuy They're not portraying to be experts. They're just taking us along for the ride. If you're so angry with UA-camrs, maybe you should get rid of UA-cam.
Thanks for the review: CHADEMO works like this post 50% battery it does slowdown the charge because 50% of lithium Ion got enough energy to create resistance for ion flow o load new energy, So Mitsubishi got its own mechanism. 38KW first 50% of battery post 50% based on the battery temperature it slows to approx 27KW post 80% it slows to approx 15KW ~ 10KW Overall time to reach first 50% 15 mins 80% 30 mins 100% 55 mins Total KWH it might take is 16 to 17KWH
Great review! you covered both the pros and cons. Really enjoyed the video. Also driving on b5 was a great idea (there's a sweet spot on the accelerator where you don't use energy at all and just coast along that's the best for downhill sections at lower speeds. But you can also drive as a normal person and let the computer think of all the hard stuff)
Loved my 2015 PHEV. Absolutely no problems other than front callipers seizing through lack of use (common on electric/hybrid). Would have bought another but no longer selling in U.K. ☹️
Mitsubishi outlander Phev is most sold in my area right now like local deal sold 20 in a week including mine 😀 crazy also you get a 7000 rebate from my local and provincial government
I chose a PHEV because the charging infrastructure in my area is abysmal. In the summer I get well over 100mpg. In the winter it's more like 60-70mpg because it idles the gas engine to get heat. I also do very regular 500 mile day trips through the spring to the fall so charging would be a huge hassle. When I trip I can just gas and go like a regular car and then all my around town and daily work commutes can be in EV mode. The main drawback with PHEVs is the extra cost will only pay for itself in gas savings after many years, so it's a hard sell. People need to think of these as gas mitigation gas powered vehicles, like a hybrid with an advantage, rather than a short range EV with an extender. For any advantages you really do need to plug it in religiously.
You only get 38 pure electric miles when you run the battery from 100% to 0% (VERY bad for battery life) AND it 's warm out AND you're not on the highway. Double the battery capacity and you've got something close to right. That way you'd get 40-50 pure, real-world electric miles between charges without buring it down to 0%. Most folks would at that point only run gas on road trips.
9:56 I grew up in Southern California and when I graduated high school in 2004, someone gave me a gift certificate to In-N-Out. I moved to Colorado Springs a few days later and never got the chance to use it. Well, I still have the gift certificate and now Colorado has In-N-Out.
Nice video thanks guys. I get nearly 100km EV in mine so maybe you have the heater on in the cold weather? Just a note...there is no "transmission" to lug around and only a 'small' battery to lug compared to an all EV so all balances out. I'm so happy with this car.
The charger is fine, it's the car, batteries only charge at top speed if two conditions are met, first they are at low state of charge, 2nd they need to be inside a particular temperature interval, usually between 20°C and 40°C. Neither of those conditions were met in this test so the speed obtained is what is to be expected.
Not really, EA gets a bad wrap because they are the most used and largest CCS charging network in the US. Yes I agree that third party charging networks are crap compared to Tesla's super charging network that is why more Manufactures are building their own. If and when super charger open up to non Teslas I think you will see similar issues because all though the CCS plug is standard though out the US each car manufacture uses different software to charge, again I could be wrong.
@@Georgeionescu205 I think there a West coast-based company, they don't do a lot of DC fast charging to my knowledge they are mostly focused on home AC charging. I think one of the chargers in Alaska that used was a flow DC charger
@Zoltán Kárpát it does in my area, there are no fast charges and heading to our family's cottage we would get there with not much range left in the winter time. And we usually have several vehicles and we all couldn't charge once we get there. Maybe in a few more years the dc charging station drought will change and a bev would be the way to go.
Three weeks into ownership, my fuel gauge has not moved and the consumption reads 0.7l/100km. My commuteallows near 100% EV. Local fast charge gives first 7kW free. Took 30 min, starting at 20kW/hr and finishing at 10kW/hr. Personally, with a big PV, home charging suits me better.
The new outlander phev has a heat pump, like the rav4 prime. So cabin heat is from the battery. Unlike the hyundai/kia offerings which require the engine to run for heat.
Why wouldn't it be... It's a PHEV, by design the gas engine will kick in to help get to speed and then shut off. That's exactly how my 4XE works, it spends about 60% of it's time in all electric and only 40% running the engine.
The main issue with this car from many reviewers is the harsh ride over pot-holes. There is a sharp shudder. If they work on that for the next model I'll buy one. It's a good value car. Though I'd prefer a 5 seat model too. And one without that horrible orange strip in the interior would be even better.
I'm getting between 45-55 miles on EV around town and close to 50 when going on the interstate. Zero gas in the last week. If you really floor it then the engine kicks in for a little while. The comments about weight didn't include a comparison of the weight of what a 300 mile battery would be.
"Just say no to CHAdeMO." For the life of me, I can't comprehend how difficult it could possibly be for Nissan to convert the Leaf and this vehicle -- and any others in its world-wide product line -- from CHAdeMO to CCS. CHAdeMO at this point will always be an exercise in watching charging stations evaporate over the coming years. As for the "carrying around a heavy engine" talk, there is virtually nothing in the automotive world heavier than "a battery pack." There just can't be any doubt whatsoever that "carrying around a bigger battery pack" for more range will be much heavier than "carrying around a combustion engine" -- and, of course, the combustion engine will likely provide somewhere around twice the range that any "bigger battery pack" ever would. And, also of course, it just won't take a half an hour or an hour or however long it will take to charge that bigger battery, to "fully charge" that combustion engine's fuel tank. A plug-in hybrid makes plenty of sense for a lot of people.
As a reference: Ford Mustang Shelby GT 500 2 door coupe with V8 engine is almost 4200 pounds. Other Mustang GT coupes are almost 4,000 pounds. Tesla Model 3 Long Range 4 door sedan with large trunk is about 4,000 pounds. With a 350 to 400 mile range, drive for 4 or 5 hours, stop to plug in, take a piss, eat a snack or have lunch while charging to 80%. Drive an additional 3 hours and 200 miles and stop at the hotel to call it a day. How many 1,000 to 2,000 mile hurry up vacation road trips do most people take in a year?
In the U.S. and Europe, correct. Chademo is still widely used in Japan. It’s unfortunate that they don’t offer a non-Japanese version with CCS, but that would add a lot of design and manufacturing cost.
If you do away with Chademo plugs just imagine how many 350kW CCS units will be clogged up with slow charging PHEVs using them. I have recently seen 2 Land Rover PHEV owners being berated by Tesla owners (we have no superchargers in this part of Scotland so Tesla owners have to use the local 50kW DCFC) for plugging in their 50kW capable cars that take less time to charge than a Tesla a 50kW unit due to the LR’s smaller battery pack. I have to declare ani Teresa - I own a Mini Cooper SE (BEV) and a diesel Land Rover Defender- before you ask the price of the Defender PHEV is ludicrously high here in the U.K. - it costs me less to own a BEV and a diesel 2020 Defender than to buy the Defender PHEV.
is there a screen to tell how many kw is left in the battery when the ice kicks in?-- ie with the chevy volt-- the battery charge will say 16+ kw on full charge and then ice kicks when the battery is around 5 to 6kwh--- thanks
Given how cold it was, I'm surprised you got the range that you did. I'm hoping to see other reviews in milder climates getting closer to the full range. I still don't quite understand why the MID said 38 miles on 90% charge. I wonder what it would have said if you had been able to top it off to 100% charge.
Bear in mind that most BMSs (battery management systems) slow down the charging rate of a public fast charger as the battery gets near full because ideally they don't want you to charge above 80% with a lithium-ion battery or let charge drop much below 20%. I think that's the issue you were experiencing during charging on this video, not a grid problem or a charger problem.
Dude it’s not just really good that they includes a S AWC on the vehicule , it is actually the very first AWD SUV plug in hybrid that came out 8 years ago in Europe and made a killing
Nice video, but pls note, you would have come even further by cruising on B0, and 14.35 into the video, it's not RPM you see it's actually x10KW so how much power the ICE uses. When the battery is depleted, the car run in hybrid mode, so you still get efficient driving, reducing the total amount of fuel used.
The max charging speed for gen.4 Outlander PHEV when using CHAdeMO charger is ~38 kW, but that is only the max while the typical charging speed typically will be smaller. However, the car is rated to be able to charge from 0% to 80% in ~38 minutes. Moreover, when charging with CHAdeMO charger the car should stop charging at 80%. Going past 80% is not recommended, because the charging speed will fall down significantly which is what it can be seen in the video where it shows only 6 kW charging.
I came to say the same thing. This car will NOT charge at 50kW. And EVERY EV slows down drastically at 80% on a fast charger. In addition, you're driving in 33F temp, so unless you turn the interior heat completely off, you're going to run the heat pump to keep the cabin warm. There's no way to get full range with the heat on. You don't seem to know anything about the car you're testing. It doesn't make your review very valuable. You need to research the vehicle you're testing before you embarrass yourself like this. I am glad to see the car can perform as well as it did for the weather conditions and terrain it was driven in. 2.6 miles per kWh is pretty good for a car this size, the weather conditions, and I'm assuming you had the heat running the entire time.
@@KalleSWBeck Pretty simple reason... More opportunities to charge and get "bonus" Electric Mode driving when we happen to encounter a good charger near our destinations, even when stopping only for a smaller amount of time. L3 could be 5x faster than L2 -- even just 3x faster would be of value, to reduce charge time from 2 hours to 40 minutes hour for example. More like it! L3 chargers are available by the Clark Planetarium, for example.
@@normt430 I tried to buy or lease one, visited 3 dealers in So Cal, they said the SEL premium (Touring) for demo only not for sale for now . They gladly offering the SE trim.
Was the heater turned on or off during this test? And btw, it doesn't have a transmission 😂. The gasoline engine is directly coupled to the front wheels at a certain rpm.
PHEVs make sense in 2 cases. Commuters with destination charging at low cost and one at home and people that live at elevation and work down in town or vise versa where a lot of regen capacity is good and car still works during blackouts. Other great uses would be first responders, construction, rural busses etc
I daily commute short distances my mileage always average 43miles to 60miles consistently currently total 7000KM averaged at 3.9L/100KM 6 times visited petrol pum at 360L approx. between battery depleted on a full tank I got average of 6.6L/100KM
In the news today, last quarter of 2022 it cost more to charge an ev (even charging at home) than fill a gas tank! Just as predicted by the “conspiracy theorists” a decade ago! LOL!
Why are you guys surprised? Charging at a higher state of charge with a fairly small battery (20kWh), the charge rate will be lower than the peak rate. It will slow down as it tops off.
Like the early days of computers, we’re dealing in bytes not gigs, buy in is substantial and the ICE alternative is mature, efficient and proven. This is definitely one technology I can wait for to catch up to expectations. Thanks TFL (Nathan and Andre). PS I’ll take a 3x3, fries, shake and a nap 😆👍
Nice Video. Ok guys I know you know how batteries charge but I will explain it too you again. You plugged in at 57% which is on the down side of the DC charging curve so you were never going to see max charge rate. Than you tried to charge it to 100% on a DC fast charger knowing that the car and the charger will drastically drop down charging speed at 80% to protect the battery. It may drop even slower because it is only a 20 KW battery. I'm in know way saying that EA doesn't have its own issues. I'm complaining because TFL for the most part focuses on the negative not the positive and does not explain why things maybe happening. Here is my take, charging may be slow because as you said it was cold so the charger was cold and the battery was cold. My guess is because an PHEV does not use its battery all the time so the battery may never get warm especially if it is not in the engine bay. You plugged in at 57% on the down side of the charging curve, the battery is small so it probably peak charging only happens below 25%. Then you tried to charge to a 100% on a DC fast charger. A PHEV with a DC port is stupid the best way to charge a PHEV in my mind is on ac with at least a 7.2 KW on board charger.
@@RichardJoashTan okay my reasoning why a DC fast charge is stupid on a plug-in hybrid, if you just want to run on battery only for longer trips why not just buy an EV. With a plug-in hybrid with a DC fast-charge all you're doing is carrying around an extra drivetrain. I wouldn't buy one
this is so bad you guys dont understand charging curves....no, that is the real dcfc speed for that size pack at that state of charge with no preconditioning.......its for once not the station....
What is the Mileage of this car when driven in Hybrid mode (battery charged + gas engine running)? I don't have a charging station at my apartment or at work. It would be difficult to go routinely to a charge station.
I've heard it gets 26 mpg with the battery depleted. If you don't have access to consistent and cheap charging, just buy a regular hybrid of some kind, don't get the PHEV versions. The bigger battery that you don't charge with a plug is just added weight with no added benefit to you. For an example, the Kia Sorento Hybrid gets 2 mpg better than the Sorento PHEV when the engine is running.
Come on guys… charging curves. There is no issue, it only charges at 50 Kw for the first few kWh. Phevs are compliance cars that made sense with the tax credit but now it doesn’t qualify so it’s DOA.
It does use a heat pump for chilly temperatures, but there are a couple of reviews around on UA-cam showing it running the engine for a bit when first started if it is really cold. In that case the engine will be used for heat and battery charging like a generator so at least you don't just run a gas engine only for heating the cabin.
Don't see why they put a chademo plug on it, even Nissans new EV went to CCS. But there isn't much point to fast charging a PHEV anyway, spend an hour to charge and you can go though that in 40 minutes on the freeway. And it probably costs more to fast charge then just drive on gas. What PHEVs are really best at is charge it at home every day and it's really inexpensive to drive. Some people can even charge for free at work. We had a Niro PHEV, it was great in the summer getting over 1000 miles on a tank of gas (or 115mpg) but in the winter it had to run the gas engine all the time for the heater to work, so range and gas mileage was cut in half to 500-600 miles per tank. We now upgraded to an Ioniq 5 full EV.
Well, Chademo is silly in US market. But I could see situations for fast-charging a PHEV, if you arrive at your destination for a short period before returning, or if stopping for longer than just to get gas on a road trip, it would be nice to be able to top up the battery.
Eh, mine is coming as per the dealer in 3-4 weeks. However, they want to charge a "mandatory" $2500 for an additional road package that includes floor mats, paint protection etc. really disappointed. Hope to get something useful instead, like winter tires on the rims, at least or they will have no deal for me.
@@akhere07 Yes, scammers. Called the few more dealers and found only one who would not charge anything extra. But waiting time will be about 6 months again. So I negotiate with my existing dealer and they reduced their charge for package described above from $2500 to $1500. Should be ready for pick up next week.
I think GM with the second gen Volt was closer to real day to day EV use or even the i3 Rex with about 100 miles range and a gas engine to be able to extend the range. However the i3 Rex crippled the gas side a little too much with too small a tank to be able to really make it road trip worthy. Most people would be driving in EV mode most of the time and only be in gasoline mode for longer trips or unplanned additional routes and detours if the manufacturers would target a 50-100 real miles range on EV power. There is too much toxic stuff out there about everything has to be BEV only. I think that is just wrong headed approach. One size does not fit all. I was hoping that the Prius Prime was going to give us more battery range. These PHEV's really need to give us that 50-100 miles all EV range for the day to day and gasoline or even diesel for long range or extending the range. I would love to see the Ford Maverick offer a PHEV for 2024 with decent range on EV mode. That would be a fantastic combo swiss army knife vehicle.
@@johnb7430 I know on the Volt the car knows how long the gas has been in there and will force you to burn it off. The fuel tanks on these are different. They pressurize the tank to preserve the fuel so it doesn't go bad as fast. I think on the Volt it is like a year before the car will force you to use the fuel. For something like this I would treat it like I do my lawn and power equipment. I found a couple local gas stations that have ethanol free gas. It is pricey, but considering how often I use it the fact it doesn't go bad nearly as fast is a bonus. I think I saw that the Ford Powerboost truck also has a pressurized tank system. I assume that most of these are now using a similar system.
for the i3 to retain it's EV classification (compliance), it had to have a software limited fuel tank. but yes the tank was small and the engine was a 2 cylinder motorcycle engine.
@@saeedhossain6099 The later i3 with the larger battery with the Rexx would be pretty nice. Sadly people are asking as much for a used one as you can buy a new Bolt so it isn't practical unless prices come back down to reality. There is a software update to unlock the software limit to the amount of fuel you have access to in the tank. I think it is like an extra half a gallon or something like that, but that tank is a little small to rely on it for a road trip. It really was designed as a good city car.
@@rapide12345 not according to the build sheet, unless it's different in different markets, which i can't see them doing, the manufacturers sticker says it's a jatco Ecvt transaxle.
Definitely something fishy going on with that charge scenario. If both the car and station should get 50kW, but its only getting 18kW and then 6kW... that's not right. The few times I used fast chargers for our eGolf we always charged around 40kW.
Does the engine charge the battery at any point? Or is it strictly plug charge only? Will people buy this car for the EV tax credit (if available) and then never use the battery?
Every PHEV can be used like a traditional non-plug-in hybrid that self charges, but doing so is (afaik) always less efficient than the same car with a traditional hybrid drivetrain, solely because of the extra weight shipped by a phev. Also, some phevs with AWD, facilitate that by running the rear axle electric only, and with a much weaker starter/charger/motor up front. Meaning that pure electric driving is rwd only, and if u want full time AWD, you'd need to run the gas engine. That's the case with all Volvo T8s. And lastly, some phevs still want the gas engine to be warm for some function or another, and so it will run the gas engine at start up in colder temps for a time, regardless of settings. Meaning that phevs may be less suited to winter driving than traditional hybrids or full BEVs for some people's use cases (Also, some phevs really skimp out on their onboard chargers. Volvo T8s I think are limited to 3.7kw charging, regardless of how beefy a level 2 charger you hook it up to, so there's no reasonable reason to ever use a public charger. You'd be there for hours for any good amount of charging, and at a busy charger, that'd be poor form)
@@Cal94 Most PHEVs can have the gas charge the battery. The Outlander is probably on the extreme end of current PHEVs where the ICE will charge the battery more often than the others. There are settings where you can suggest that it not charge the battery as often.
I owned the previous model for 5 years, when the battery is depleted the engine starts and runs as a generator to power the electric motors to provide drive. If you are stationary and don’t need power to the motors the generator will be dumping charge into the battery. There is also a battery save button so if you want to save the charge in the battery and just run the gas engine you can. Again the gas engine is running as a generator to power the motors directly. I only used that function on long trips where I wanted to save the battery for town driving. Was a great car for my circumstances, town driving with the occasional long trip.
@@devonport68 current model charges the battery to 80% with engine idling, in 94 minutes. Say while camping for example. Driving in Charge mode charges the battery to 80% while driving.
Seems like all these videos I've watched of you guys with EVs half the time their is issues with the chargers. It takes longer than filling up a gas car already but adding in issues with changers seems frustrating
chademo, CCS, doesn't matter, it's too expensive to pay for a fast charger on a 20 kWh battery. But the chademo does allow for V2H charging to provide emergency energy to your home if needed.
This vehicle is made for Japan with no extra cost to provide Chademo in worldwide sold cars: it is simpler to keep it on together with AC plug rather than remove it and leave just an AC port the way most PHEVs are built.
sorry guys but for whatever reason Outlander PHEV despite saying supports 50kw charging you be lucky to ever hit over 20kw charge rate. Mine has never bounced over 20
One thing to keep in mind with 38 miles of range even if you have a 50 mile commute is that every single day you will use that 38 miles and then only do 12 on gas. If it gets 24mpg after the EV range then you'd only use 0.5 gallons a day for 50 miles which works out to 100mpg. In a 7 passenger big heavy brick shaped vehicle that's amazingly impressive.
What?
That's miscalculation. ..
You are using only gas usage in calculation but while calculating mileage you added ev km also to wrongly calculate 100mpg...
You should say 100miles per $ amount (both ev charging cost and gas cost)
@@akhere07 While true,home electricity is vastly cheaper than gas for propulsion. So in my example, in order to go 38 miles you need to use about 18kWh of electricity. At the national US average of about 13.5 cents that would cost $2.34, or 6.2 cents a mile for that 38 miles.
That same 38 miles with the 23mpg the gas Outlander gets in the city at $3.50 a gallon would be $5.76. Which means the PHEV saves you $3.42 a day, or on 6 days a week (work plus one shopping day) saves $20.52. at 50 out of 52 weeks a year that's 1026 bucks.
Now comes the problem. The gas edition with AWC comes in at about 32k. The PHEV, more like 40k. That means about 8 years to pay the difference with just that much charging.
Now you know why PHEVs aren't popular unless they get significant rebates.
In Canada some provinces the PHEV gets 10 grand off making it the obvious choice. The only way it makes sense is if you can force other people to pay some of it for you.
Don’t be conned by the 7 seat stuff. Have you seen the legroom, or tried the headroom? It’s a marketing gimmick. It’s not quite so impressive when you consider that you can only carry very young children in that third row.
@@Vinnie101a Perfect for puppers though.
@@Snerdles : Definitely. You’ve nailed that one. David. Just not good for humans unless they’re puppy size tho. 🐶
Since the battery is only 20kwh (less than an original Leaf), just charge it at home overnight and save time, money, and hassle.
If you’re trying to quick charge a PHEV, you’re wasting your own time. That’s what the gas engine is there for.
Yep 👍
@@liquidcooled877 Yup, and you are also wasting your money especially when the fast charge rates are based on time.
I didn’t understand this either.
38 mile EV range is good for my daily use. I used to own a 2014 Chevy Volt with 38 mile range and I only needed the engine once per month or two. Yet I still could take a long road trip using the engine instead of the fast charging networks that we have today.
I am getting 107 mpg in my Audi Q5 PHEV. Six days a week I drive just below the battery limit. My previous car was a BEV and I have no regrets switching to a PHEV.
Because of charging network? I assume not Tesla.
I have a 2018 Cadillac CT6 2.0E plug-in and also just over 100 mpg. Also have seen 200 mpg tank of gas and 3,000 miles range!
My 18 outlander phev has 65k in under a year. No problems and 40 mpg avg. Bought it as a leftover on the lot. Great car. Bought after Nathan's last review with it!
65k miles in a year? When do you sleep? 😂
@Jethro Stuff Not Enough...that's for sure. My sister was in an accident almost a year ago on Feb 6th and has been on life support in Vancouver Washington, I live in Joshua tree so I make the 2k round trip quite frequently. Approx.15 hrs straight through and 1,012 miles one way. Had BMW I3 and loved it but not good for a road trip like this. So phev splits difference for me as I commute locally otherwise for college and work.
@@kristianmurin3696 Wow, sorry to hear that. Also, how strange is this: I live in Vancouver, WA.
@Jethro Stuff Small world! Beautiful place beside the Hayden island Bridge. Hahaha I commute from hillsboro when I'm up there so that Bridge is the bane of my existence currently. Below is my sister crash story. I share it in hope to find what caused accident. Was inconclusive
Last night, Portland Fire & Rescue (PR&R) responded to a rollover accident at 10:00 pm around 3400 SW Scholls Ferry Rd. American Medical Response (AMR) arrived first on the scene and treated a female victim about 30 feet from the damaged car. When PF&R’s Truck 4 arrived, they assisted with moving the victim further from the car, which had caught fire and started to burn through the power lines above. PF&R's Water Tender 16 arrived and worked to extinguish the fire, which had burned through the power lines and started arcing on the ground near the car.
Fire crews, along with AMR, were then able to assess the victim away from the dangers of the burning car, due to the bravery of two Portland citizens - Eli Bowden and Michael Hartung. Before Crews could arrive, these two young men were parked near the accident, waiting for rescue crews when the car caught fire. Without concern for their own lives, they pulled the one victim from the car and took her to a safer place away from the car so she could be treated. The victim was critically injured during the accident and was unconscious when Eli and Michael pulled her out of the burning car. Because of their courageous acts, she has a fighting chance to survive.
The accident victim was quickly assessed by AMR and was entered into the Trauma System. The condition of the victim is unknown at this time.
PF&R would like to thank both Eli and Michael for their bravery!
Awesome, more details please. Does yours have the 1500W AC outlets?
Hi, we've had our '23 Outlander for 6 months now and a few observations.
- all values decrease in cold weather - we get best results around 20-25 degrees C (our summer)
- easily get a range of 80km (49 miles)
- easily get combined hybrid (ie zero EV charge) of
I live in Queenstown NZ and have just bought one that I will get in Sept. how’s your opinion of your car now? Still happy with it?
@@savannahjackson8513 Still happy with it :) I would love to drive around Queenstown - it handles so well - awesome 4WD. Down side is the cold in winter will possibly reduce your range for 3 months of the year - maybe 65km and steep hills drain the battery faster, but is an ideal Queenstown SUV (assuming you drive mostly 50-80km a day)
@@gmilne13 That’s great. Thanks for replying. Yes, I only drive about 50-60 kms a day… but occasionally we do road trips, so we wanted an ev, but didn’t want range anxiety driving around NZ
Hi @@savannahjackson8513how has your year of driving the outlander round nz been? I'm in chch n thinking of getting one for the same reasons as you:)
I bought a 2018 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV in 2021 in Denver. It's been a great vehicle for the time I've owned it. I installed a 220V in my garage.
So what's your point?? You installed 220v charger, why don't you say results of charging of 220v??? Or differents between charging times of 110v and 220v???
@Momcilo Pucar 120V charge time from 10% to 100% is about 7-8hrs. 220V charge time from 10% to 100% is about 2h to 2h 45min.
@@momcilopucar8749 You may want to consider something less aggressive next time, like “how have you liked the 220? What differences have you noticed? Thanks!” That’s all.
Have a nice day. 😊
Exactly! Great real world review guys👌 Day to day I do 20 miles top! All idle time will be electric and pre-heat the interior for winter will be too! I'm waiting to get mine, 2 weeks left!
Here's my 1 year 10k miles follow up I have 63 mpg in dash since new.
I've towed a trailer four times in the appalache Hills and used the roof rack 6 month. I never do more than 150 miles/day (1 time/month).
It's been an awesome suv. It handles a lot better than my 2015 v6.
I've change the crappy 18 in falken before the delivery.
I've stayed with 235 60 18 summer and winter (studded Conti Xtreme winter).
If you're on the fence, I'd say just buy it.
I recently bought a Jeep GC 4xe with a rated 26 miles of EV range. After roughly 1000 miles, it's still showing 160 miles of range on the gas engine. I think this is the sweet spot between gas vs electric for now. As the Cannonball run(s) showed, road trips in an EV aren't there yet. Sure, there is the added complexity and weight, but the PHEV has a lot of advantages.
38 miles of range is insanely good. What's even more amazing is that it uses chademo, which is basically level 3 charging speeds. I haven't seen another PHEV that does level 3 charging speeds.
The chademo charger gives a ton of options. Let's say you have a 70 mile round trip journey and the place you're stopping has a chademo charger. Well you can stop, charge and do the entire 70 miles on battery. Level 2 chargers aren't plentiful and I feel that more PHEVs should still give access to level 3 charging, but just lower the charge rate. Anyway, this looks like a great compromise for those that live in an apartment and might not always have access to a charger.
Chademo is also bi-directional and so can do vehicle to home and vehicle to grid.
I'm getting 40-50miles per charge, according to the computer. I'm still under 500miles though. Just picked her up in December!!
i gotta say, i'm impressed with this PHEV, especially for the size. If you have a shorter commute or need a weekend warrior car, you could likely drive without gas for months.
which means you dont need gas......which means this is the wrong choice.
Had mine for 5 years and most of the time it was town driving so always electric, but when I wanted to hitch up my 1.5t caravan and head away it was using the gas and electric combination with none of the range limitations of a pure electric. Made it a great choice for me.
Ok so I have a 2023 Outlander GT.
Some points:
A) city driving is beautiful. Plug in at home use no fuel.
B) Except when it’s real cold. The engine will come in fairly regularly to generate heat.
C) I suspect the car did slow down the fast charging at 80% as that saves your battery life.
D) the overall value of this vehicle is also based on your need for comfort and luxury. Which this vehicle has. People miss that the Rav4, doesn’t even have real leather.
E) overall I’ve been very happy with my 2023 Outlander. The car feels excellent, and the warranty is fantastic.
I have one also in Sydney Australia the highest trim Exceed Tourer. I agree all your points and also buyer's regret.
What is real leather?
Do you use 3rd row?
Btw, is it worth the pay extra CAD9000 for phev if my driving is very less and mainly happens over weekend?
The new Outlander PHEV is amazing. All the reviews I've seen can't believe how well it handles for a mid size SUV. I wouldn't worry much about reliability - the only thing that went wrong with my 2014 was a dodgy cruise control switch over 8 years and 108,000 km. With a genuine 38 miles of EV range most will do 90% of their driving in EV mode and that means the gas engine is only on a 10% duty cycle. It's a shame it's a bit overpriced.
Overpriced?
Definitely not overpriced. Let me know, I can get you the lowest price. 😀
Phev's aren't designed for fast charging. The battery is too small to take 50kw for a long period of time. Total EV's don't stay at peak charging rates long.
You’d think people with an EV channel would know basic EV stuff. But as proven daily, UA-camrs don’t know as much as they portray.
I'm all for larger battery size and faster charging rates in PHEVs. Land Rover PHEVs have 38 kWh batteries now, for example. RAM 1500 Revolution with range extender may be considered a series PHEV, with battery capacity over 100 kWh, most likely. Great evolution and options for people like us in mountain regions where PHEV gives us the natural backup plan.
@@ThatGrizzlyGuy
They're not portraying to be experts. They're just taking us along for the ride. If you're so angry with UA-camrs, maybe you should get rid of UA-cam.
Fr this is real world testing with your every day average joes y’all need to calm down
@@ThatGrizzlyGuy Mitsubishi literally says you can fast charge this vehicle.
Thanks for the review: CHADEMO works like this post 50% battery it does slowdown the charge because 50% of lithium Ion got enough energy to create resistance for ion flow o load new energy, So Mitsubishi got its own mechanism.
38KW first 50% of battery
post 50% based on the battery temperature it slows to approx 27KW
post 80% it slows to approx 15KW ~ 10KW
Overall time to reach first 50% 15 mins
80% 30 mins
100% 55 mins
Total KWH it might take is 16 to 17KWH
It's the car
9 KW at 90% in 20KWH battery is fast by any means tho
It’s meant to be charged overnight, not fast charged.
Bought a 23 Niro PHEV, fortunately have a commute that takes advantage of most of the EV only mode. I did over 800 miles on one tank (8.5 gallons).
same but 2022, bit smaller battery but in 11 months of ownership, it's been 4 fill ups.
Great review! you covered both the pros and cons. Really enjoyed the video.
Also driving on b5 was a great idea (there's a sweet spot on the accelerator where you don't use energy at all and just coast along that's the best for downhill sections at lower speeds. But you can also drive as a normal person and let the computer think of all the hard stuff)
Loved my 2015 PHEV. Absolutely no problems other than front callipers seizing through lack of use (common on electric/hybrid). Would have bought another but no longer selling in U.K. ☹️
Actually, the electric motors are running all the time in the Outlander PHEV.
Mitsubishi outlander Phev is most sold in my area right now like local deal sold 20 in a week including mine 😀 crazy also you get a 7000 rebate from my local and provincial government
California¿
@@jzila9900 when is the last time you you heard someone in the US refer to a provincial government?
@@jghall00 ok dickhead , Never heard of that word before until now
Great review guys
I chose a PHEV because the charging infrastructure in my area is abysmal. In the summer I get well over 100mpg. In the winter it's more like 60-70mpg because it idles the gas engine to get heat. I also do very regular 500 mile day trips through the spring to the fall so charging would be a huge hassle. When I trip I can just gas and go like a regular car and then all my around town and daily work commutes can be in EV mode.
The main drawback with PHEVs is the extra cost will only pay for itself in gas savings after many years, so it's a hard sell.
People need to think of these as gas mitigation gas powered vehicles, like a hybrid with an advantage, rather than a short range EV with an extender. For any advantages you really do need to plug it in religiously.
You only get 38 pure electric miles when you run the battery from 100% to 0% (VERY bad for battery life) AND it 's warm out AND you're not on the highway.
Double the battery capacity and you've got something close to right. That way you'd get 40-50 pure, real-world electric miles between charges without buring it down to 0%. Most folks would at that point only run gas on road trips.
I’ve just bought an outlander phev. I get it in sept here in New Zealand. Really looking forward to it! 😊
9:56 I grew up in Southern California and when I graduated high school in 2004, someone gave me a gift certificate to In-N-Out. I moved to Colorado Springs a few days later and never got the chance to use it. Well, I still have the gift certificate and now Colorado has In-N-Out.
Nice video thanks guys. I get nearly 100km EV in mine so maybe you have the heater on in the cold weather?
Just a note...there is no "transmission" to lug around and only a 'small' battery to lug compared to an all EV so all balances out. I'm so happy with this car.
We need an off-road comparison test to the RAV4 Prime.
The outlander is just better at off road...
That outlander is so sharp
The charger is fine, it's the car, batteries only charge at top speed if two conditions are met, first they are at low state of charge, 2nd they need to be inside a particular temperature interval, usually between 20°C and 40°C. Neither of those conditions were met in this test so the speed obtained is what is to be expected.
Absolutely luv these. Great job guys.
Electrify America is the worst enemy of the automotive electrification in America!
Not really, EA gets a bad wrap because they are the most used and largest CCS charging network in the US. Yes I agree that third party charging networks are crap compared to Tesla's super charging network that is why more Manufactures are building their own. If and when super charger open up to non Teslas I think you will see similar issues because all though the CCS plug is standard though out the US each car manufacture uses different software to charge, again I could be wrong.
@@Georgeionescu205 those are for your house
@@Georgeionescu205 I think there a West coast-based company, they don't do a lot of DC fast charging to my knowledge they are mostly focused on home AC charging. I think one of the chargers in Alaska that used was a flow DC charger
I agree!!
You can thank Volkswagen for Electrify America because of the diesel emissions scandal.
This makes much more sense than a BEV.
no, it doesn't.
@@Poxenium well, in all fairness it did 10 to 5 years ago.
@Zoltán Kárpát it does in my area, there are no fast charges and heading to our family's cottage we would get there with not much range left in the winter time. And we usually have several vehicles and we all couldn't charge once we get there. Maybe in a few more years the dc charging station drought will change and a bev would be the way to go.
@@bartz118 AND I WILL BUY A FULLY LOADED 2023 OUTLANDER PHEV ANYWAY!
@Richard Joash Tan. Hahaha! Good for you.
Awesome, can you guys do a long trip with the car? The epa gas combined rating seems to be much less than the competition's
EPA numbers are almost never right
These is a car that makes a lot of sense it most of your trips are 20-40 miles the just gas efficiency isn’t great
Three weeks into ownership, my fuel gauge has not moved and the consumption reads 0.7l/100km. My commuteallows near 100% EV. Local fast charge gives first 7kW free. Took 30 min, starting at 20kW/hr and finishing at 10kW/hr. Personally, with a big PV, home charging suits me better.
Does the cabin heat come from the battery or the gas engine? Did TFL drive this test with the heat off?
The new outlander phev has a heat pump, like the rav4 prime. So cabin heat is from the battery. Unlike the hyundai/kia offerings which require the engine to run for heat.
considering all the weight in passengers its very good
"Brand new Mitsubishi" and "all good" are two phrases that haven't been paired together in decades @2:25
AND I WILL BUY A FULLY LOADED 2023 OUTLANDER PHEV ANYWAY!
@@RichardJoashTan I can’t wait to get mine! I would high five you if I could!
Around the world they still sell good
Evo X: hold my beer.
Would love to see if that electric motor is still strong after 7 people and luggage, would love to see that test!
Why wouldn't it be... It's a PHEV, by design the gas engine will kick in to help get to speed and then shut off. That's exactly how my 4XE works, it spends about 60% of it's time in all electric and only 40% running the engine.
I think it's 230HP or so, should be no problem for a car that size. Not super fast but not underpowered.
@@whidbeyhiker4364 just thought it would be a cool video
It has 248HP and 332lb-ft, it won't struggle as much as the gas version and also instant torque.
Why are new vehicles tested,tested and tested? There’s no guessing in car production!
The main issue with this car from many reviewers is the harsh ride over pot-holes. There is a sharp shudder. If they work on that for the next model I'll buy one. It's a good value car. Though I'd prefer a 5 seat model too. And one without that horrible orange strip in the interior would be even better.
I'm getting between 45-55 miles on EV around town and close to 50 when going on the interstate. Zero gas in the last week. If you really floor it then the engine kicks in for a little while.
The comments about weight didn't include a comparison of the weight of what a 300 mile battery would be.
Then you have a HYBRID which is not an EV.
"Just say no to CHAdeMO." For the life of me, I can't comprehend how difficult it could possibly be for Nissan to convert the Leaf and this vehicle -- and any others in its world-wide product line -- from CHAdeMO to CCS. CHAdeMO at this point will always be an exercise in watching charging stations evaporate over the coming years.
As for the "carrying around a heavy engine" talk, there is virtually nothing in the automotive world heavier than "a battery pack." There just can't be any doubt whatsoever that "carrying around a bigger battery pack" for more range will be much heavier than "carrying around a combustion engine" -- and, of course, the combustion engine will likely provide somewhere around twice the range that any "bigger battery pack" ever would. And, also of course, it just won't take a half an hour or an hour or however long it will take to charge that bigger battery, to "fully charge" that combustion engine's fuel tank. A plug-in hybrid makes plenty of sense for a lot of people.
As a reference:
Ford Mustang Shelby GT 500 2 door coupe with V8 engine is almost 4200 pounds. Other Mustang GT coupes are almost 4,000 pounds.
Tesla Model 3 Long Range 4 door sedan with large trunk is about 4,000 pounds.
With a 350 to 400 mile range, drive for 4 or 5 hours, stop to plug in, take a piss, eat a snack or have lunch while charging to 80%. Drive an additional 3 hours and 200 miles and stop at the hotel to call it a day.
How many 1,000 to 2,000 mile hurry up vacation road trips do most people take in a year?
Nothing wrong with chademo you fool
In the U.S. and Europe, correct. Chademo is still widely used in Japan. It’s unfortunate that they don’t offer a non-Japanese version with CCS, but that would add a lot of design and manufacturing cost.
If you do away with Chademo plugs just imagine how many 350kW CCS units will be clogged up with slow charging PHEVs using them. I have recently seen 2 Land Rover PHEV owners being berated by Tesla owners (we have no superchargers in this part of Scotland so Tesla owners have to use the local 50kW DCFC) for plugging in their 50kW capable cars that take less time to charge than a Tesla a 50kW unit due to the LR’s smaller battery pack. I have to declare ani Teresa - I own a Mini Cooper SE (BEV) and a diesel Land Rover Defender- before you ask the price of the Defender PHEV is ludicrously high here in the U.K. - it costs me less to own a BEV and a diesel 2020 Defender than to buy the Defender PHEV.
Very impressive
is there a screen to tell how many kw is left in the battery when the ice kicks in?-- ie with the chevy volt-- the battery charge will say 16+ kw on full charge and then ice kicks when the battery is around 5 to 6kwh--- thanks
Given how cold it was, I'm surprised you got the range that you did. I'm hoping to see other reviews in milder climates getting closer to the full range. I still don't quite understand why the MID said 38 miles on 90% charge. I wonder what it would have said if you had been able to top it off to 100% charge.
Bear in mind that most BMSs (battery management systems) slow down the charging rate of a public fast charger as the battery gets near full because ideally they don't want you to charge above 80% with a lithium-ion battery or let charge drop much below 20%. I think that's the issue you were experiencing during charging on this video, not a grid problem or a charger problem.
Does the Outlander heat the cabin with electric, or did it have to run the engine for that?
It must be electric because the motor wasn't running.
electric main drive batteries 🔋 true a heat pump like tesla heat up faster
It has a heat pump
On very cold day gas engine will come up to heat cabin. Ut does have a heat pump. Very efficient ,
has electric heat, previous generation and this one.
I had a similar experience trying to Fast Charge the outlander PHEV. But the fast charger I was using was junk. It cost me a lot too.
At that point, would it be cheaper to just drive it as HEV and skip the charger?
The battery is only 20kw with EA charge $0.41 per kWh, max still less than $10
@@amirdjohan432 Still high for EV driving range under 40 miles. HEV would only use 1 gal. of gas for $3
@@ThisGuyRides sorry my reply for Jon Corra's comment, which he said it cost me a lot.
Dude it’s not just really good that they includes a S AWC on the vehicule , it is actually the very first AWD SUV plug in hybrid that came out 8 years ago in Europe and made a killing
Nice video, but pls note, you would have come even further by cruising on B0, and 14.35 into the video, it's not RPM you see it's actually x10KW so how much power the ICE uses. When the battery is depleted, the car run in hybrid mode, so you still get efficient driving, reducing the total amount of fuel used.
Best demonstration point in video is how sufficiently wide the new OL is when accommodating two “wide-ish” adult males side-by-side. 😮
The max charging speed for gen.4 Outlander PHEV when using CHAdeMO charger is ~38 kW, but that is only the max while the typical charging speed typically will be smaller. However, the car is rated to be able to charge from 0% to 80% in ~38 minutes. Moreover, when charging with CHAdeMO charger the car should stop charging at 80%. Going past 80% is not recommended, because the charging speed will fall down significantly which is what it can be seen in the video where it shows only 6 kW charging.
I came to say the same thing. This car will NOT charge at 50kW. And EVERY EV slows down drastically at 80% on a fast charger. In addition, you're driving in 33F temp, so unless you turn the interior heat completely off, you're going to run the heat pump to keep the cabin warm. There's no way to get full range with the heat on.
You don't seem to know anything about the car you're testing. It doesn't make your review very valuable. You need to research the vehicle you're testing before you embarrass yourself like this. I am glad to see the car can perform as well as it did for the weather conditions and terrain it was driven in. 2.6 miles per kWh is pretty good for a car this size, the weather conditions, and I'm assuming you had the heat running the entire time.
The Outlander PHEV is super appealing in every way but one. I would like it to be the size of a Highlander Or Pathfinder.
I love PHEVs with Level 3 DC Fast Charge capability, like this one and the new Land Rover PHEVs (which have CCS).
Why?
@@KalleSWBeck Pretty simple reason... More opportunities to charge and get "bonus" Electric Mode driving when we happen to encounter a good charger near our destinations, even when stopping only for a smaller amount of time. L3 could be 5x faster than L2 -- even just 3x faster would be of value, to reduce charge time from 2 hours to 40 minutes hour for example. More like it! L3 chargers are available by the Clark Planetarium, for example.
Having that almost obsolete Chademo charger is practically a deal breaker.
Going to hardly ever use the DCFC though. Most of the time, you will just be charging at home on L2.
Not quite. As long as it has a J1772 connector alongside it.
Brake regeneration setting level?
Glad that I will buy a fully loaded 2023 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SEL Premium.
can you find one? 3 local Mitsu dealer in US / So Cal said it's for demo only and can be sell after March
I see +600 for sale on Autotrader. A couple below $40k too!
Those are SE trim. Looking for the SEL Premium
@@amirdjohan432 only 235 in SEL trim and still around $45k. Factor in US federal tax credit and they are well under $40k.
@@normt430 I tried to buy or lease one, visited 3 dealers in So Cal, they said the SEL premium (Touring) for demo only not for sale for now . They gladly offering the SE trim.
Was the heater turned on or off during this test? And btw, it doesn't have a transmission 😂. The gasoline engine is directly coupled to the front wheels at a certain rpm.
PHEVs make sense in 2 cases. Commuters with destination charging at low cost and one at home and people that live at elevation and work down in town or vise versa where a lot of regen capacity is good and car still works during blackouts. Other great uses would be first responders, construction, rural busses etc
I daily commute short distances my mileage always average 43miles to 60miles consistently currently total 7000KM averaged at 3.9L/100KM 6 times visited petrol pum at 360L approx. between battery depleted on a full tank I got average of 6.6L/100KM
I don't see the point of DC fast charging a PHEV, especially the abandoned Chademo standard. Gasoline is the 'fast charge' option for a PHEV.
Kind of like my 2014 BMW i3 (Rex). I’ve been able to drive it to TX from WA and back a few times easily.
I read that this car does not have transmission but you said it's lugging around engine and transmission.
I have seen other reviewers complain about the brake pedal. How has TFL's tester been? Has the brake pedal been going to the floor also?
In the news today, last quarter of 2022 it cost more to charge an ev (even charging at home) than fill a gas tank! Just as predicted by the “conspiracy theorists” a decade ago! LOL!
Why are you guys surprised? Charging at a higher state of charge with a fairly small battery (20kWh), the charge rate will be lower than the peak rate. It will slow down as it tops off.
so how much hp and torque does it put out
289hp
248HP and 332lb-ft, it has a rear biased AWD system.
It Beats the rav 4 version in features unction size and 4wd performance which other channels have already done...next
Like the early days of computers, we’re dealing in bytes not gigs, buy in is substantial and the ICE alternative is mature, efficient and proven. This is definitely one technology I can wait for to catch up to expectations. Thanks TFL (Nathan and Andre).
PS I’ll take a 3x3, fries, shake and a nap 😆👍
Nice Video. Ok guys I know you know how batteries charge but I will explain it too you again. You plugged in at 57% which is on the down side of the DC charging curve so you were never going to see max charge rate. Than you tried to charge it to 100% on a DC fast charger knowing that the car and the charger will drastically drop down charging speed at 80% to protect the battery. It may drop even slower because it is only a 20 KW battery. I'm in know way saying that EA doesn't have its own issues. I'm complaining because TFL for the most part focuses on the negative not the positive and does not explain why things maybe happening. Here is my take, charging may be slow because as you said it was cold so the charger was cold and the battery was cold. My guess is because an PHEV does not use its battery all the time so the battery may never get warm especially if it is not in the engine bay. You plugged in at 57% on the down side of the charging curve, the battery is small so it probably peak charging only happens below 25%. Then you tried to charge to a 100% on a DC fast charger. A PHEV with a DC port is stupid the best way to charge a PHEV in my mind is on ac with at least a 7.2 KW on board charger.
Not me. A PHEV with a DC charge port is pure GENIUS, AND I WILL BUY A FULLY LOADED 2023 OUTLANDER PHEV ANYWAY!
@@RichardJoashTan okay my reasoning why a DC fast charge is stupid on a plug-in hybrid, if you just want to run on battery only for longer trips why not just buy an EV. With a plug-in hybrid with a DC fast-charge all you're doing is carrying around an extra drivetrain. I wouldn't buy one
@@chrishansel9324 better than a huge battery fool
this is so bad you guys dont understand charging curves....no, that is the real dcfc speed for that size pack at that state of charge with no preconditioning.......its for once not the station....
What is the Mileage of this car when driven in Hybrid mode (battery charged + gas engine running)? I don't have a charging station at my apartment or at work. It would be difficult to go routinely to a charge station.
I've heard it gets 26 mpg with the battery depleted. If you don't have access to consistent and cheap charging, just buy a regular hybrid of some kind, don't get the PHEV versions. The bigger battery that you don't charge with a plug is just added weight with no added benefit to you. For an example, the Kia Sorento Hybrid gets 2 mpg better than the Sorento PHEV when the engine is running.
I think Mitsubishi are onto a winner
42 miles for burgers??? Hopefully they were good.
Come on guys… charging curves. There is no issue, it only charges at 50 Kw for the first few kWh. Phevs are compliance cars that made sense with the tax credit but now it doesn’t qualify so it’s DOA.
I wonder if it stays in full ev mode in sub zero temperatures. Or engine will stay on for heat. And a 60miles/ 100km. Mpg.Loop
It does use a heat pump for chilly temperatures, but there are a couple of reviews around on UA-cam showing it running the engine for a bit when first started if it is really cold. In that case the engine will be used for heat and battery charging like a generator so at least you don't just run a gas engine only for heating the cabin.
Don't see why they put a chademo plug on it, even Nissans new EV went to CCS. But there isn't much point to fast charging a PHEV anyway, spend an hour to charge and you can go though that in 40 minutes on the freeway. And it probably costs more to fast charge then just drive on gas. What PHEVs are really best at is charge it at home every day and it's really inexpensive to drive. Some people can even charge for free at work. We had a Niro PHEV, it was great in the summer getting over 1000 miles on a tank of gas (or 115mpg) but in the winter it had to run the gas engine all the time for the heater to work, so range and gas mileage was cut in half to 500-600 miles per tank. We now upgraded to an Ioniq 5 full EV.
Well, Chademo is silly in US market. But I could see situations for fast-charging a PHEV, if you arrive at your destination for a short period before returning, or if stopping for longer than just to get gas on a road trip, it would be nice to be able to top up the battery.
I have 220 volt in my garage, this car would be perfect for me
Should have addressed the uniqueness of how this hybrid system works and some of the cool mechanicals.
Eh, mine is coming as per the dealer in 3-4 weeks. However, they want to charge a "mandatory" $2500 for an additional road package that includes floor mats, paint protection etc. really disappointed. Hope to get something useful instead, like winter tires on the rims, at least or they will have no deal for me.
They didn't tell you about that mandatory package when you put deposit to book?
@@akhere07 Yes, scammers. Called the few more dealers and found only one who would not charge anything extra. But waiting time will be about 6 months again. So I negotiate with my existing dealer and they reduced their charge for package described above from $2500 to $1500. Should be ready for pick up next week.
Good review thanks.
Did you drive on B5 mode all the way?
You would have driven further on B0 and used pedals to slow down.
When is anyone's fast charging experience good?
5-40% got me in 10 minutes, but then speed drops drastically. No point paying for fast charging after 60%
I think GM with the second gen Volt was closer to real day to day EV use or even the i3 Rex with about 100 miles range and a gas engine to be able to extend the range. However the i3 Rex crippled the gas side a little too much with too small a tank to be able to really make it road trip worthy.
Most people would be driving in EV mode most of the time and only be in gasoline mode for longer trips or unplanned additional routes and detours if the manufacturers would target a 50-100 real miles range on EV power.
There is too much toxic stuff out there about everything has to be BEV only. I think that is just wrong headed approach. One size does not fit all. I was hoping that the Prius Prime was going to give us more battery range.
These PHEV's really need to give us that 50-100 miles all EV range for the day to day and gasoline or even diesel for long range or extending the range. I would love to see the Ford Maverick offer a PHEV for 2024 with decent range on EV mode. That would be a fantastic combo swiss army knife vehicle.
They would if they could but the batteries aren't there yet. You can bet that the 50-100 mile range will come though.
I would worry about the gas in the vehicle going bad if there was 100 mile ev only range. Modern ethanol mix fuel goes bad fast.
@@johnb7430 I know on the Volt the car knows how long the gas has been in there and will force you to burn it off. The fuel tanks on these are different. They pressurize the tank to preserve the fuel so it doesn't go bad as fast. I think on the Volt it is like a year before the car will force you to use the fuel. For something like this I would treat it like I do my lawn and power equipment. I found a couple local gas stations that have ethanol free gas. It is pricey, but considering how often I use it the fact it doesn't go bad nearly as fast is a bonus. I think I saw that the Ford Powerboost truck also has a pressurized tank system. I assume that most of these are now using a similar system.
for the i3 to retain it's EV classification (compliance), it had to have a software limited fuel tank. but yes the tank was small and the engine was a 2 cylinder motorcycle engine.
@@saeedhossain6099 The later i3 with the larger battery with the Rexx would be pretty nice. Sadly people are asking as much for a used one as you can buy a new Bolt so it isn't practical unless prices come back down to reality.
There is a software update to unlock the software limit to the amount of fuel you have access to in the tank. I think it is like an extra half a gallon or something like that, but that tank is a little small to rely on it for a road trip. It really was designed as a good city car.
Components are "cross pollinated" with Nissan... Good phrase choice
honestly my only fear is the jatco transmission
what do you mean by Jatco transmission, outlander phev is not cvt. thist has single speed gearbox similar to most of EVs.
It doesn't have a JATCO Transmission, it's not a CVT, it's a single speed trans-axle transmission.
@@rapide12345 it uses the Jatco Ecvt JF011E or the JR712E in the PHEV
@@rustbeltrobclassic2512 The Outlander PHEV has a GKN Multi-Mode E-Transmission
@@rapide12345 not according to the build sheet, unless it's different in different markets, which i can't see them doing, the manufacturers sticker says it's a jatco Ecvt transaxle.
Definitely something fishy going on with that charge scenario.
If both the car and station should get 50kW, but its only getting 18kW and then 6kW... that's not right.
The few times I used fast chargers for our eGolf we always charged around 40kW.
Does the engine charge the battery at any point? Or is it strictly plug charge only? Will people buy this car for the EV tax credit (if available) and then never use the battery?
Every PHEV can be used like a traditional non-plug-in hybrid that self charges, but doing so is (afaik) always less efficient than the same car with a traditional hybrid drivetrain, solely because of the extra weight shipped by a phev.
Also, some phevs with AWD, facilitate that by running the rear axle electric only, and with a much weaker starter/charger/motor up front. Meaning that pure electric driving is rwd only, and if u want full time AWD, you'd need to run the gas engine. That's the case with all Volvo T8s. And lastly, some phevs still want the gas engine to be warm for some function or another, and so it will run the gas engine at start up in colder temps for a time, regardless of settings. Meaning that phevs may be less suited to winter driving than traditional hybrids or full BEVs for some people's use cases
(Also, some phevs really skimp out on their onboard chargers. Volvo T8s I think are limited to 3.7kw charging, regardless of how beefy a level 2 charger you hook it up to, so there's no reasonable reason to ever use a public charger. You'd be there for hours for any good amount of charging, and at a busy charger, that'd be poor form)
@@Cal94 Most PHEVs can have the gas charge the battery. The Outlander is probably on the extreme end of current PHEVs where the ICE will charge the battery more often than the others. There are settings where you can suggest that it not charge the battery as often.
Looks like the Outlander PHEV is made in Japan, so would not qualify for the US tax credit. Would have to be built in North America.
I owned the previous model for 5 years, when the battery is depleted the engine starts and runs as a generator to power the electric motors to provide drive. If you are stationary and don’t need power to the motors the generator will be dumping charge into the battery. There is also a battery save button so if you want to save the charge in the battery and just run the gas engine you can. Again the gas engine is running as a generator to power the motors directly. I only used that function on long trips where I wanted to save the battery for town driving. Was a great car for my circumstances, town driving with the occasional long trip.
@@devonport68 current model charges the battery to 80% with engine idling, in 94 minutes. Say while camping for example.
Driving in Charge mode charges the battery to 80% while driving.
use the fast charger from 20 to 80 % only, the lower the state-of-charge, the higher the charging speed is…
It's a nonstarter with CHAdeMO.
To be continued. 😎🎥
Seems like all these videos I've watched of you guys with EVs half the time their is issues with the chargers. It takes longer than filling up a gas car already but adding in issues with changers seems frustrating
For a burger run, not too bad. In-and-Out double-doubles, I presume?
I'd like to know if you can charge when it's raining very hard.
Of course.
Can you pump gas when it's raining very hard? EV's are no different.
@@mowcowbell hardly find EV charger place with Canopy or cover.
@@amirdjohan432 I charge in my garage, weather not a factor.
@@amirdjohan432 You'll get wet while plugging in, but it's perfectly safe.
Fast charging on a PHEV is… just pointless
CHADEMO dead man walking..... No one should buy a new Chademo equipped car. It's like buying a new VCR.🙄 EA is removing it from their chargers.
chademo, CCS, doesn't matter, it's too expensive to pay for a fast charger on a 20 kWh battery. But the chademo does allow for V2H charging to provide emergency energy to your home if needed.
If everyone took your advice you would have Chademo to yourself!
This vehicle is made for Japan with no extra cost to provide Chademo in worldwide sold cars: it is simpler to keep it on together with AC plug rather than remove it and leave just an AC port the way most PHEVs are built.
sorry guys but for whatever reason Outlander PHEV despite saying supports 50kw charging you be lucky to ever hit over 20kw charge rate. Mine has never bounced over 20
Andreas nose will have its on twitter account LOL
Try the Haval H6 PHEV if you have the chance. It has over 120 miles of EV range
No Haval in the US.
Halva, yes. Haval, no.