Hmmm Short Circuit is hit or miss, sometimes they exclusively tell the product without a single added opinion like the Anker Webcam that was very pricey and still looked very bad and they did not bother to say anything but the product. Yet here he was being super nit picky about every detail, so what is it, an uboxing channel or a review channel!? If you do it with this video, do it with all of them...
@@stormblaz82 Was it a sponsored video sponsored by anker?! then yes I would take that with a big handful of salt. But something like this that was reviewed but not sponsored by them yeah that I would trust or at least trust more. Still it's best to do some due diligence and actually check out other reviews if you feel like you want a second or third opinion.
I love short circuit for getting to see the hobbies and passions of the LMG staff and it has definitely gotten me to do research into things I otherwise wouldnt
you can do extended numpad. I bought one of the original everest maxes, and one of the things that is marketed was that they give you a small usb c female to male cable to attach numpad at an extended distance. I've run it like this quite a bit
I also have an everest Max from the Kickstarter, I wonder if the extension cable wasn't included with the smaller Numpad, or if it's not compatible at all?
I'm disappointed they didn't try a high speed USB of their own. IF you can then this would be amazingly modular. (I'd like to see a function module as an option but I know I'm weird.)
@@zebedeesummers4413 me too tbh, was also surprised that there was no mention of using the other “spare” usb C for charging / pass through with other devices and if not why not? As I appreciate the ability to plug it in in the most convenient / aesthetic position but I would also like to utilise them other ports for charging my Phone/ speaker / smart watch etc or plug in a usb memory card/usb adaptor etc. I do like these videos but I sometimes find that they try so hard to avoid making it a review so much that they can miss other details which might be pertinent to the consumer.
@@jakwadd I agree, they often feel like 60% of a review in an awkward spot between at a glance and a full review. Don't get me wrong LTT content is consitantly good this is feels like its between two sweet spots.
@@zebedeesummers4413 yeah they are quite open that they are sponsored videos but they don't quite hit the same as true LTT content due to being semi restricted in their content. The "vibes" feel a bit off to me as it's like they are not trying to shit on a product but also not always prepared to praise it fully either, which sometimes leave me a bit 50/50 about some products and still not clear on if it's worth buying etc. P.s. this isn't a dig at the staff / presenters of these videos as they are all great and it's good to see other members of LTT.
I think you should be able to get a usb-c cable extend for the numpad (usb-c female to usb-c male). Connect one end to the numpad and the other to the side of the keyboard.
@@7DegreesOfFreedom I think it would be silly to do that though, considering if you just plug it into the keyboard you get to keep an extra USB free on your PC instead of using it for the numpad individually.
@@7DegreesOfFreedom huh? It's already got a male USB C on the num pad that connects to a female USB C on the keyboard. Are you connecting the numpad to the computer on it's own? The complexity added to plug it into the keyboard is negligible.
I can definitely recommend putting the numpad on the left side, gives you the mouse space of a TKL but you still have a numpad and the numpad is much more usable for hotkeys in games or programs with a lot of mouse usage.
They know they are not fooling any enthusiast with this, it's just marketing to increase the price. It is not actually for keyboard enthusiasts, it's for gamers, and this channel is like an ad platform for this kind of stuff
@@ronakparikh it's also a major step up for a "big company" to do something this decently. Obviously the enthusiast market is going to want to do things themselves, because that's the point of the hobby, where you have something you can really feel good about because you custom tuned it yourself and did all these mods and hard work to make a nice board. This is just for the gamers who don't want a shit board with super rattly stabs and stuff but can't be bothered to actually do a custom keyboard
@@JC-0108 There is nothing revolutionary here, it is a cheap $50 gaming keyboard with a 1 cent foam and bad lube job for $140. Many pc gamers have built their own computer so I think they are capable of doing a couple mods on their own. This is a really bad value when you look at boards like the gmmk pro or the recent qk65, I would rather save up for those. What I am trying to say is that there are budget $50-$75 gaming keyboards and there are $200-$350 entry level enthusiast keyboards and the $75-$200 range in between is a waste of money but that seems to be the price range this channel is focused on, maybe because that is the high margin garbage with the biggest profits?
@@ronakparikh at the same time, how many options are there for full-sized, backlit, hotswappable keyboards out there? It's this, the Glorious GMMK 1 (the 2 is a 96%) the EVGA Z15 and the Hexgear Impulse. Most keyboards in the space are 60% or TKL, and not backlit, especially on the higher end. Unless there's some miracle option I don't know about, the options for this field are pretty limited, and the Everest might be the best we can get.
One thing I've learned from watching any video about keyboards (standalone or on a laptop) from LMG is that it's subjective as hell. You can see one person flex the s*** out of a board and say there's hardly any flex while someone else will barely flex a keyboard and say that there's too much flex.
keyboard flex is pretty much irrelevant, I don't know why ppl care so much about it. Maybe for some $30 boards, but anything above that won't really twist
+1 for voicing the need for numpads. I really hate the trend of removing them on laptops, even 15/17" ones. Even when you don't have speaker grills on the side or any other excuse.
True, I have to input PIN codes often enough that no numpad is quite annoying. I have a 13" asus with the numpad that pops up on the trackpad. I feel like that's the best way to fit a numpad on a small laptop, because you usually don't use it but when you do you it's decent. While not nearly as tactile as a physical numpad, it's still much better than using the top number row.
Funny, I dread numpads on laptops because I hate having to be skewed in relation to the screen. I even have a separated numpad for those times I need it, but I do like no numpads on my laptops! On desktops, otoh, it's full keyboard always.
@@MacchiStrauss I've had two laptop TouchPads fail on me in my life, which required the use of the numbpad for mouse keys. Maybe I'm just unlucky because it happened to me twice now (and no, it was never liquid spillage or anything obvious like that). So now I require TouchPads on laptops specifically in case this happens.
@@jort93z It does have them it's just under a layer. Pressing fn + 1 isn't any harder than pressing f1. Once you get a QMK compatible keyboard you have as little as 30 keys and still have every single function of a full size keyboard. Having everything right under you fingers instead of reaching for stuff feels great.
(6:22) _adds the numpad…_ "boom! now you've got a TKL" Oh interesting I thought that TKL meant *tenkeyless,* as in no numpad. I guess I was wrong, if _adding_ a numpad makes it a TKL.
So there is a keyboard in the UK market called a Shortboard Leftie and i have a heavily modded one and its great. I replaced the switches with silent switches and put a removable usbc socket in the case so i can use my custom cables. It has the nav and the numberpad on the left side but in the same layout that youd expect, just moved. You could also just get a wireless numberpad for what you need especially if you dont use them all too much
I use spreadsheets a lot so I really couldn't give up my numpad. Function keys are also pretty useful for me especially if for media control but I wanted a little more compact form factor vs full-size so 96% is really working well for me right now. But having the option to remove or have the numpad on the side but still usable like Plouf was saying seems like a pretty nice solution that I could see myself trying out in the future!
2:18 Re: Lubing your own switches. My advice as my friends/coworkers have seen me go down the mechkeeb rabbit hole is that a good lube with one of the prominent switch lubes is the #1 best thing you can do to improve your typing experience, BUT do not do it unless you are really dissatisfied with your standard/factory-lubed switches. Once you start, it's hard to put up with switches that have not been properly lubed, and lubing sessions take sooooooo long. I'm just glad I'm a 60% and only have to lube like 60~70 switches for a board build.
most hotswap boards dont give you the option to do other layouts like split spacebar and also tend to cost a bit more, soldering is a pain but i really find peace in it.
I still can't get over those gigantic coiled cables with giant connectors on them that have become so popular for some reason. I just find them so silly. Then again I'm a bit of a flashlight nerd, so I shouldn't judge.
As much as I love the keyboard hobby, I think coiled cables look ridiculous and all the silly keycap sets with extra symbols or several colors and awful legends seem really strange to me, especially with the adamant dislike of RGB within the hobby. Like, you love these multicolor weird keycaps but hate RGB backlighting?
Those giant connectors can sometimes be useful. Unfortunately not all boards have a USB-C connector. Especially some older custom boards might have a Mini-USB or Micro-USB connector instead. Having there be an extra connector in the cable close to the device means that one can just change the device end of the USB cable from e.g. USB-C to Mini-USB instead of having to run a whole new USB cable when swapping boards. However, most of the time they are just used for looks.
Plouffe mentioning how he likes tactility but thought the 55g switches were a bit too heavy for his tastes makes me think that he'd really like a 45g Topre board-maybe like a Leopold FC980C or something.
I switched to 60% 2 years ago, and I can't go back at this point. My daily at home is an Anne Pro 2 with Kailh Box Whites, my daily at work is a Pok3r with Cherry Browns, and my first 60% was a GK61 with Gateron Optical Silvers
I used to use a Microsoft Sidewinder X6 keyboard back in the days. It had a numpad that was able to be attached to left and right sides. Quite liked the feature.
Anyone else confused when he calls it a TKL when adding the numpad? I though TKL was Ten KeyLess, meaning basically full size keyboard, but without a numpad.
Yeah, It's not a TKL. A TKL has the arrow keys + Del, home, PgUp, etc, and does not have the numpad.... Also, I don't know if he noes, but it is also not a 60% because it does have the arrow keys. It's a 65%.
@@mikeebt The line between 60% and 65% is pretty blurry sometimes. I have what is technically a 60%, since it doesn't have an extra key column on the far right, but I put arrow keys on it by having weirdly sized keys on the bottom right
Left handed num pads are amazing, it's really nice for cad work. You don't need to take your right hand and leave the mouse to type a number in or use the top row numbers with your left hand.
Can't help but feel if you're going to put those cool magnetic feet at the back, adding a space for them at the front and including a few extra would be awesome for those that want to tilt the other (correct?) way.
oooooooooooooo i love this dude hosting! hes so interesting and engaging, gets all the important infomation too, including little tidbits that arent super important but in a good way. love him so much! get him on LTT!
Definitely not everyone's cup of tea. Personally I notice he makes very matter-of-fact statements sometimes, when IMO there's a lot more nuance to those topics than he lets on, and sometimes he'll miss stuff that seem obvious, like just using an extension cable for the numpad to fix one of his gripes (which again comes back to him making matter-of-fact statements). Aside from that though, I do agree that he makes things interesting and engaging, so hopefully he can iron out some of the issues I've personally noticed, cause I would love to see more keyboard videos on the channel.
I have the Everest Max keyboard and it comes with a usbc male to usbc female cable to connect the mumped away from the keyboard. Im assuming you can still do the same with the 60% as i dont see why the would remove that function. but you would have to buy it separately off the website
for the numpad as a seperate connected thing you could get a usb c extension cable with a male and female type c to make it work. as for desktop keyboards ill pass and stick with my trusty old fujitsu siemens kbpc sx d. no rgb, off white and a ps/2 port but durable as hell and very well working.
@richtea78 That’s not true. I got the Everest Max and there was a small female to male usb-c cable in the package. You can use that to connect the both. It shows up in the software as if were directly attached to the main part but otherwise works fine. I think it’s something about needing a cable with all pins.
Just purchased a separate numpad for using excel at my job where we have notebooks, if I get used to it, probably going for tenkeyless on my next keyboard at home to, the only reason I still rock full sized is that heavy number input without numpad is counter productive, having a distance separate pad I can put away after hours seems a good idea, let's see if it pays out
I do not understand the coiled cable... Isn't that to give some stretch if you pulling it away from its normal position often but also springs back neatly?
For anybody who isn't familiar with the term TKL, it means tenkeyless and refers to the "10 keys" 0-9 of the right number pad. TKL boards usually have Home, Page Up/Down, End, Insert, Delete, Prt Scrn, Scroll Lock, and Pause, but no number pad. So saying this is a "TKL.. Kind of" (6:27) or saying it's "between 60% or TKL" (14:10) really isn't accurate. It's 60%+num pad, none of the extra keys that you would find on a TKL, plus keys that literally go against the definition of TKL.
Big fan of what mountain is doing, but im not to keen on the layout with not normal size keys, like a 1u shift. Id rather have a normal layout and not the arrows. They should have made a 60% normal layout and then a 65/70% keyboard.
Anything that allows you to have the number pad on the left side gets bonus points in my book. I'm a CAD specialist and 90% of my workload is clicking on objects and entering values. Not having to take my right hand off the mouse to use the number pad every 2 seconds is a huge productivity boost for me.
I would get a separate numpad then instead, then you can have the numpad wherever you want. Don't really see the point of a keyboard like this when you can just do that
I'm liking this. I just built a GMMK Pro (I know, everyone has one..) with Bobas, TX Stabs, lubed and filmed, foam and all that good stuff. I really enjoy it. It's nice to see you guys getting deeper into the keyboard hobby.
1600 layout! Or FRL (F-rowless) 96%. And if it's on the other side, can be prefixed as lefty- or southpaw. 1800 layouts have F-row and 1400 layouts are missing the numrow, like the Candybar custom mechanical keyboard!
I would like to see a mechanical keyboard with detachable numpad the way the sidewinder x6 was built, I'm still using it after all these years and the conector of the numpad works with no problems at all. And its so easy to attach and detach because of the magnets
How is making the adjustment feet removable a design improvement? It gives you the same standard three height options. Just more small crap to misplace/loose if you don't use them.
If you want a 60% with a numpad just buy/build an ortholinear. It even has space for arrow keys, something that is omitted from many 60% boards fro some reason.
And for the people that don't want an ortholinear, they can also get an F key-less 1800/96% layout keyboard. Definitely a bit hard to find, but they do exist (although for my money, the extra height from a regular 1800/96% isn't that big a deal).
This. ☝️ I recommend to put the Numpad in the middle. That gives it a nice split feel. And it makes orthos usable for me, as someone, who is used to split keyboards at this point.
Man I almost got fooled. I thought you made a mistake calling it a 60% and not a 65% but I got thrown for a loop because of the arrow keys. Honestly I would prefer this 60% layout compared to those that drop the arrow keys. I personally only go for 65% or 80/70% boards. Definitely cant do full size anymore.
This make no sense to be honest, why would you want to put the numpad back on a keyboard that it's made without a numpad in the first place. Just buy a regular keyboard, you have it when you need it, and when you don't, it's really not that hard to spread your arms a couple of inches more. 60% keyboards are really stupid tbh.
it is weird that you can't connect the numpad with the main board with a cable, cause I remember this was a feature of the original version that was a TKL
As a developer I comfortably gave up many keys (I can still combo press F keys in a combination with a dedicated FN key), but I can't give up the arrow keys... So that's a 68% for me!
I've had an Everest Max for a while now and I absolutely love it. Swapped out the Reds for Durock T1s and clipped and relubed all the stabs. Sounds and types great, and the build is solid
They do have a cable that comes separate for the numpad. It connects to the keyboard and you can move the numpad elsewhere. But that's with the Everest Core that I'm using. I dunno how they're doing the 60.
My old keyboard was a 60%, and the reason I changed away was because I found myself wanting the number pad back. Something like this would be ideal so I could have more space on my desk most of the time, then snap in the number pad when I need it.
Honestly if you already have a good 60% I feel like you'd be better off getting a separate numpad. They aren't that expensive and you can get some wired or wireless ones.
What I would do to resolve the issue with the number pad if you want it more offset why don't you buy it like a type-c male to female adapter and then plug it into the front of the keyboard and you can just kind of like have it detached from the keyboard
About putting the numpad on a different location. It does allow an extension cable to go in between. The Mountain Everest Max has this, and I assume the 60% version would as well.
I don't get the reason why to remove function key row - the width is the issue with keyboards, but how removing one row makes in any more ergonomic or usable?
Numpad not having a usb plug/port at the top isn't an issue since you can most like get a female usb c to type a or type c male cable to connect it to your pc or reroute to one of the usb c ports on top of the keyboard. Pretty sure you can just use alternate third party cables too.
As an update. I can say the software has improved but still could be improved more. Usually a restart fixes things. Solid keeb for $10 fron newegg snd $50 for the max recently as well.
What is TKL on a keyboard? (TenKeyLess keyboard) A computer keyboard that does not have a 10-key numeric keypad on the right side. Looks like you could easily do your Numkeys in the distance with usb-c cable extender?
I really want a new lapboard for my couch PC but can't find any with swappable switches. Is there anything out there other than the Razer and Corsair lapboards?
4:20 this look is good on the first week, and after a while, you forget it and yank the keyboard all over the desk, and looking at it now at my desk, it's messy AF. XD
K70 didn't interest me, but I got a k100 with OPX, personally really like it. Just that the top keys (esc, f1-12, etc) are a bit too close to the main body.
You could use the numpad separately from the keyboard: get a USB C extension cable and run it as long as you wanted to have it still usable, but out of your way.
Jono's Note: You can have the Numpad separated, but you'll need to buy this extension cable - mountain.gg/usb-type-c-to-type-c-cable/
I was thinking about such cable when watching the video. :-)
This is exactly the first thing that popped into my mind. I was like, "What's stopping you from using a USB-C extension?'
I was wondering about that. As he was saying that you can’t move the NUM pad, I was sitting here wondering why you can’t just get a cable.
Hmmm Short Circuit is hit or miss, sometimes they exclusively tell the product without a single added opinion like the Anker Webcam that was very pricey and still looked very bad and they did not bother to say anything but the product.
Yet here he was being super nit picky about every detail, so what is it, an uboxing channel or a review channel!? If you do it with this video, do it with all of them...
@@stormblaz82
Was it a sponsored video sponsored by anker?! then yes I would take that with a big handful of salt. But something like this that was reviewed but not sponsored by them yeah that I would trust or at least trust more. Still it's best to do some due diligence and actually check out other reviews if you feel like you want a second or third opinion.
I love short circuit for getting to see the hobbies and passions of the LMG staff and it has definitely gotten me to do research into things I otherwise wouldnt
@바비 소녀들.🇰🇷 preach
wow what a life u got for being so into keyboards
you can do extended numpad. I bought one of the original everest maxes, and one of the things that is marketed was that they give you a small usb c female to male cable to attach numpad at an extended distance. I've run it like this quite a bit
I also have an everest Max from the Kickstarter, I wonder if the extension cable wasn't included with the smaller Numpad, or if it's not compatible at all?
I'm disappointed they didn't try a high speed USB of their own. IF you can then this would be amazingly modular. (I'd like to see a function module as an option but I know I'm weird.)
@@zebedeesummers4413 me too tbh, was also surprised that there was no mention of using the other “spare” usb C for charging / pass through with other devices and if not why not? As I appreciate the ability to plug it in in the most convenient / aesthetic position but I would also like to utilise them other ports for charging my Phone/ speaker / smart watch etc or plug in a usb memory card/usb adaptor etc.
I do like these videos but I sometimes find that they try so hard to avoid making it a review so much that they can miss other details which might be pertinent to the consumer.
@@jakwadd I agree, they often feel like 60% of a review in an awkward spot between at a glance and a full review. Don't get me wrong LTT content is consitantly good this is feels like its between two sweet spots.
@@zebedeesummers4413 yeah they are quite open that they are sponsored videos but they don't quite hit the same as true LTT content due to being semi restricted in their content. The "vibes" feel a bit off to me as it's like they are not trying to shit on a product but also not always prepared to praise it fully either, which sometimes leave me a bit 50/50 about some products and still not clear on if it's worth buying etc.
P.s. this isn't a dig at the staff / presenters of these videos as they are all great and it's good to see other members of LTT.
I think you should be able to get a usb-c cable extend for the numpad (usb-c female to usb-c male). Connect one end to the numpad and the other to the side of the keyboard.
i think what he meant by that was that the numpad should have a different cable that runs directly to the pc. idk
@@numa_kai I think you’re right, because that’s what the normal/full-size Everest numpad does
@@7DegreesOfFreedom I think it would be silly to do that though, considering if you just plug it into the keyboard you get to keep an extra USB free on your PC instead of using it for the numpad individually.
@@7DegreesOfFreedom the keyboard already has that function though ?
@@7DegreesOfFreedom huh? It's already got a male USB C on the num pad that connects to a female USB C on the keyboard. Are you connecting the numpad to the computer on it's own? The complexity added to plug it into the keyboard is negligible.
I can definitely recommend putting the numpad on the left side, gives you the mouse space of a TKL but you still have a numpad and the numpad is much more usable for hotkeys in games or programs with a lot of mouse usage.
Left numpads are superior, full stop
Buy a southpaw75
Left numpads are very cool
@@paklekj4429 Or the keyboard in the video?
@@Xfade81 southpaw75 is superior for left numpad wanters
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Company: we want to target one of the pickiest enthusiast community in the world
Community: NO
They know they are not fooling any enthusiast with this, it's just marketing to increase the price. It is not actually for keyboard enthusiasts, it's for gamers, and this channel is like an ad platform for this kind of stuff
@@ronakparikh tbh it's still much better than what was coming out a few years ago
@@ronakparikh it's also a major step up for a "big company" to do something this decently. Obviously the enthusiast market is going to want to do things themselves, because that's the point of the hobby, where you have something you can really feel good about because you custom tuned it yourself and did all these mods and hard work to make a nice board. This is just for the gamers who don't want a shit board with super rattly stabs and stuff but can't be bothered to actually do a custom keyboard
@@JC-0108 There is nothing revolutionary here, it is a cheap $50 gaming keyboard with a 1 cent foam and bad lube job for $140. Many pc gamers have built their own computer so I think they are capable of doing a couple mods on their own. This is a really bad value when you look at boards like the gmmk pro or the recent qk65, I would rather save up for those. What I am trying to say is that there are budget $50-$75 gaming keyboards and there are $200-$350 entry level enthusiast keyboards and the $75-$200 range in between is a waste of money but that seems to be the price range this channel is focused on, maybe because that is the high margin garbage with the biggest profits?
@@ronakparikh at the same time, how many options are there for full-sized, backlit, hotswappable keyboards out there? It's this, the Glorious GMMK 1 (the 2 is a 96%) the EVGA Z15 and the Hexgear Impulse. Most keyboards in the space are 60% or TKL, and not backlit, especially on the higher end. Unless there's some miracle option I don't know about, the options for this field are pretty limited, and the Everest might be the best we can get.
One thing I've learned from watching any video about keyboards (standalone or on a laptop) from LMG is that it's subjective as hell. You can see one person flex the s*** out of a board and say there's hardly any flex while someone else will barely flex a keyboard and say that there's too much flex.
keyboard flex is pretty much irrelevant, I don't know why ppl care so much about it. Maybe for some $30 boards, but anything above that won't really twist
+1 for voicing the need for numpads. I really hate the trend of removing them on laptops, even 15/17" ones. Even when you don't have speaker grills on the side or any other excuse.
True, I have to input PIN codes often enough that no numpad is quite annoying. I have a 13" asus with the numpad that pops up on the trackpad. I feel like that's the best way to fit a numpad on a small laptop, because you usually don't use it but when you do you it's decent. While not nearly as tactile as a physical numpad, it's still much better than using the top number row.
Funny, I dread numpads on laptops because I hate having to be skewed in relation to the screen. I even have a separated numpad for those times I need it, but I do like no numpads on my laptops!
On desktops, otoh, it's full keyboard always.
I use the function keys way more than the numpad, and the keyboard doesn't have any.
@@MacchiStrauss I've had two laptop TouchPads fail on me in my life, which required the use of the numbpad for mouse keys. Maybe I'm just unlucky because it happened to me twice now (and no, it was never liquid spillage or anything obvious like that). So now I require TouchPads on laptops specifically in case this happens.
@@jort93z It does have them it's just under a layer. Pressing fn + 1 isn't any harder than pressing f1. Once you get a QMK compatible keyboard you have as little as 30 keys and still have every single function of a full size keyboard. Having everything right under you fingers instead of reaching for stuff feels great.
(6:22) _adds the numpad…_ "boom! now you've got a TKL"
Oh interesting I thought that TKL meant *tenkeyless,* as in no numpad. I guess I was wrong, if _adding_ a numpad makes it a TKL.
I’m really liking all of the keyboard coverage we’ve been getting lately.
This! I'd love to see some fully custom builds in the future was well especially with all that CNC gear they have now.
As a 60% user i am JEALOUS of the bottom row having 5 buttons instead of 4. Those arrows being free is a beautiful thing.
So there is a keyboard in the UK market called a Shortboard Leftie and i have a heavily modded one and its great. I replaced the switches with silent switches and put a removable usbc socket in the case so i can use my custom cables.
It has the nav and the numberpad on the left side but in the same layout that youd expect, just moved.
You could also just get a wireless numberpad for what you need especially if you dont use them all too much
I use spreadsheets a lot so I really couldn't give up my numpad. Function keys are also pretty useful for me especially if for media control but I wanted a little more compact form factor vs full-size so 96% is really working well for me right now. But having the option to remove or have the numpad on the side but still usable like Plouf was saying seems like a pretty nice solution that I could see myself trying out in the future!
2:18 Re: Lubing your own switches. My advice as my friends/coworkers have seen me go down the mechkeeb rabbit hole is that a good lube with one of the prominent switch lubes is the #1 best thing you can do to improve your typing experience, BUT do not do it unless you are really dissatisfied with your standard/factory-lubed switches.
Once you start, it's hard to put up with switches that have not been properly lubed, and lubing sessions take sooooooo long. I'm just glad I'm a 60% and only have to lube like 60~70 switches for a board build.
7:20 why shouldn't you be able to do that? Just get a female to male USB-C cable and hook the numpad to the keyboard, like an extension basically.
It reminds me of the Microsoft Sidewinder X6 that the num pad was removable and swappable to either side of the keyboard
most hotswap boards dont give you the option to do other layouts like split spacebar and also tend to cost a bit more, soldering is a pain but i really find peace in it.
Do gaterons work for it
The slider on the bottom of the num pad reminds me of the DJ Hero turntable controller.
I still can't get over those gigantic coiled cables with giant connectors on them that have become so popular for some reason. I just find them so silly. Then again I'm a bit of a flashlight nerd, so I shouldn't judge.
I really want to know about the flashlight enthusiast community now.
As much as I love the keyboard hobby, I think coiled cables look ridiculous and all the silly keycap sets with extra symbols or several colors and awful legends seem really strange to me, especially with the adamant dislike of RGB within the hobby. Like, you love these multicolor weird keycaps but hate RGB backlighting?
Those giant connectors can sometimes be useful. Unfortunately not all boards have a USB-C connector. Especially some older custom boards might have a Mini-USB or Micro-USB connector instead. Having there be an extra connector in the cable close to the device means that one can just change the device end of the USB cable from e.g. USB-C to Mini-USB instead of having to run a whole new USB cable when swapping boards. However, most of the time they are just used for looks.
Plouffe mentioning how he likes tactility but thought the 55g switches were a bit too heavy for his tastes makes me think that he'd really like a 45g Topre board-maybe like a Leopold FC980C or something.
I switched to 60% 2 years ago, and I can't go back at this point. My daily at home is an Anne Pro 2 with Kailh Box Whites, my daily at work is a Pok3r with Cherry Browns, and my first 60% was a GK61 with Gateron Optical Silvers
I used to use a Microsoft Sidewinder X6 keyboard back in the days. It had a numpad that was able to be attached to left and right sides. Quite liked the feature.
Anyone else confused when he calls it a TKL when adding the numpad? I though TKL was Ten KeyLess, meaning basically full size keyboard, but without a numpad.
Yeah I was wondering that too. I think he meant full size but TKL is exactly what you described. Still a good review or an interesting board!
6:00 “I’m pretty on board”
Pun moment missed
Why can't you just use a USB-C extension cable to use your 10-key somewhere else?
6:22 TKL stands for tenkeyless, which means full size but without the numpad, sooo that's definitely not a TKL
its a TK!
Yeah, It's not a TKL. A TKL has the arrow keys + Del, home, PgUp, etc, and does not have the numpad.... Also, I don't know if he noes, but it is also not a 60% because it does have the arrow keys. It's a 65%.
@@mikeebt correct 60% doesn't have arrows
@@mikeebt The line between 60% and 65% is pretty blurry sometimes. I have what is technically a 60%, since it doesn't have an extra key column on the far right, but I put arrow keys on it by having weirdly sized keys on the bottom right
@@luca_sbll oh i see!
Left handed num pads are amazing, it's really nice for cad work. You don't need to take your right hand and leave the mouse to type a number in or use the top row numbers with your left hand.
Can't help but feel if you're going to put those cool magnetic feet at the back, adding a space for them at the front and including a few extra would be awesome for those that want to tilt the other (correct?) way.
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oooooooooooooo i love this dude hosting! hes so interesting and engaging, gets all the important infomation too, including little tidbits that arent super important but in a good way. love him so much! get him on LTT!
Definitely not everyone's cup of tea. Personally I notice he makes very matter-of-fact statements sometimes, when IMO there's a lot more nuance to those topics than he lets on, and sometimes he'll miss stuff that seem obvious, like just using an extension cable for the numpad to fix one of his gripes (which again comes back to him making matter-of-fact statements).
Aside from that though, I do agree that he makes things interesting and engaging, so hopefully he can iron out some of the issues I've personally noticed, cause I would love to see more keyboard videos on the channel.
@@henderhex yeah actually i feel you on that a bit bro. I at least he keeps presenting and perfecting that craft
Love this channel!
Glad you enjoy it!
6:23 "Now you have a TKL". Didn't you mean "now you have a fullsize keyboard, kind of"?
11:30 "and actually I really like them". yeah champ, i totally believe you
Apparently the stabs are lubed with Krytox 205g0
I have the Everest Max keyboard and it comes with a usbc male to usbc female cable to connect the mumped away from the keyboard. Im assuming you can still do the same with the 60% as i dont see why the would remove that function. but you would have to buy it separately off the website
Which mouse should I get that is not a gaming mouse?
for the numpad as a seperate connected thing you could get a usb c extension cable with a male and female type c to make it work. as for desktop keyboards ill pass and stick with my trusty old fujitsu siemens kbpc sx d. no rgb, off white and a ps/2 port but durable as hell and very well working.
The original everest max actually comes with a cable like that, but really short at i think 15cm.
lol my thoughts exactly on the cable. I use my Affermative / lexmark model m battleship for work still
Looks interesting, but neither 60's nor TKL work for me. What would you say is a good choice for hot swappable full size?
Short circuit makes the day better
Have you tried to use the numpad with a usbc extender to se if that works
Editing note - Its nice to not have music when you are trying to hear the the switches. Great video though as always though
I love how Plouffe is simultaneously very critical of products, and not needlessly bashing towards them.
I thought TKL stood for "tenkeyless", as in "without numpad"
What's stopping you from running a cable between the num pad and the keyboard?
My thought exactly. It's a pretty simple fix
It would need to be female to male, but that should work
@richtea78 How would it know?
@richtea78 That’s not true. I got the Everest Max and there was a small female to male usb-c cable in the package. You can use that to connect the both. It shows up in the software as if were directly attached to the main part but otherwise works fine. I think it’s something about needing a cable with all pins.
@richtea78 What do you mean by normal usb-c cable?
Just purchased a separate numpad for using excel at my job where we have notebooks, if I get used to it, probably going for tenkeyless on my next keyboard at home to, the only reason I still rock full sized is that heavy number input without numpad is counter productive, having a distance separate pad I can put away after hours seems a good idea, let's see if it pays out
I do not understand the coiled cable... Isn't that to give some stretch if you pulling it away from its normal position often but also springs back neatly?
I've got to say, 0:23 is one of the least professional things I've seen from LMG. You "think" that the company is called Mountain? You think?
For anybody who isn't familiar with the term TKL, it means tenkeyless and refers to the "10 keys" 0-9 of the right number pad. TKL boards usually have Home, Page Up/Down, End, Insert, Delete, Prt Scrn, Scroll Lock, and Pause, but no number pad. So saying this is a "TKL.. Kind of" (6:27) or saying it's "between 60% or TKL" (14:10) really isn't accurate. It's 60%+num pad, none of the extra keys that you would find on a TKL, plus keys that literally go against the definition of TKL.
this is why 96% keyboards exsist.
Big fan of what mountain is doing, but im not to keen on the layout with not normal size keys, like a 1u shift. Id rather have a normal layout and not the arrows. They should have made a 60% normal layout and then a 65/70% keyboard.
Anything that allows you to have the number pad on the left side gets bonus points in my book. I'm a CAD specialist and 90% of my workload is clicking on objects and entering values. Not having to take my right hand off the mouse to use the number pad every 2 seconds is a huge productivity boost for me.
I would get a separate numpad then instead, then you can have the numpad wherever you want. Don't really see the point of a keyboard like this when you can just do that
USB extension cable wouldn't work for having it off to the side?
I'm liking this. I just built a GMMK Pro (I know, everyone has one..) with Bobas, TX Stabs, lubed and filmed, foam and all that good stuff. I really enjoy it. It's nice to see you guys getting deeper into the keyboard hobby.
I gotta do it Plouffe... 225$ and you`re talking about another 100$ for a custom cable? Wow, Linus is paying ya`ll great!
1600 layout! Or FRL (F-rowless) 96%. And if it's on the other side, can be prefixed as lefty- or southpaw. 1800 layouts have F-row and 1400 layouts are missing the numrow, like the Candybar custom mechanical keyboard!
Did he really just say after plugging in a num pad, "now you have a TKL"?
yeah... facepalm
Pretty cool board 💙 I like the multiple connectors, sound dampening and PBT keycaps :)
I would like to see a mechanical keyboard with detachable numpad the way the sidewinder x6 was built, I'm still using it after all these years and the conector of the numpad works with no problems at all. And its so easy to attach and detach because of the magnets
How is making the adjustment feet removable a design improvement? It gives you the same standard three height options. Just more small crap to misplace/loose if you don't use them.
The keyboard I got is a 1800 Compact version which I like. Only downside is the right control is 1.75u so cheap keycap sets doesn't accommodate.
Theres a lot of cheap dye sub keycaps that has 1.75 u shift
If you want a 60% with a numpad just buy/build an ortholinear. It even has space for arrow keys, something that is omitted from many 60% boards fro some reason.
And for the people that don't want an ortholinear, they can also get an F key-less 1800/96% layout keyboard. Definitely a bit hard to find, but they do exist (although for my money, the extra height from a regular 1800/96% isn't that big a deal).
This. ☝️ I recommend to put the Numpad in the middle. That gives it a nice split feel. And it makes orthos usable for me, as someone, who is used to split keyboards at this point.
@@TheDakes Yes, that's how I use mine, it's great.
OMG! I HATE lights under my keys! I know I'm the exception, but what you're showing would drive me crazy!
Why didn’t he just disconnect the flex cable to show the case better. The way he was holding the case made me scared he might rip the cable anyway
Maybe I missed it but did they switch the LED's to south facing? Also is it compatable with the Media Dock attachement?
Coudn't you connect the numpad to the keybord with a usb-c cable to place che numpad far from keyboard where you want?
Man I almost got fooled. I thought you made a mistake calling it a 60% and not a 65% but I got thrown for a loop because of the arrow keys. Honestly I would prefer this 60% layout compared to those that drop the arrow keys. I personally only go for 65% or 80/70% boards. Definitely cant do full size anymore.
This make no sense to be honest, why would you want to put the numpad back on a keyboard that it's made without a numpad in the first place. Just buy a regular keyboard, you have it when you need it, and when you don't, it's really not that hard to spread your arms a couple of inches more. 60% keyboards are really stupid tbh.
it is weird that you can't connect the numpad with the main board with a cable, cause I remember this was a feature of the original version that was a TKL
As a developer I comfortably gave up many keys (I can still combo press F keys in a combination with a dedicated FN key), but I can't give up the arrow keys... So that's a 68% for me!
I've had an Everest Max for a while now and I absolutely love it. Swapped out the Reds for Durock T1s and clipped and relubed all the stabs. Sounds and types great, and the build is solid
what stabilizers would you recommend for this board?
@@joey7183 I'm still using the cherry stabilizers that it came with
@@EliteProductions3129 oh okay, thank anyways!
Love the Everest Max
but can you rebind all of the keys? a lot of proprietary software limits which ones can and can't be changed
They do have a cable that comes separate for the numpad. It connects to the keyboard and you can move the numpad elsewhere. But that's with the Everest Core that I'm using. I dunno how they're doing the 60.
My old keyboard was a 60%, and the reason I changed away was because I found myself wanting the number pad back. Something like this would be ideal so I could have more space on my desk most of the time, then snap in the number pad when I need it.
Honestly if you already have a good 60% I feel like you'd be better off getting a separate numpad. They aren't that expensive and you can get some wired or wireless ones.
What I would do to resolve the issue with the number pad if you want it more offset why don't you buy it like a type-c male to female adapter and then plug it into the front of the keyboard and you can just kind of like have it detached from the keyboard
1:49 tactile 55 is blue, why are the switches on 1:57 yellow?
I have a feeling that Plouffe sleeps with his glasses on
About putting the numpad on a different location. It does allow an extension cable to go in between. The Mountain Everest Max has this, and I assume the 60% version would as well.
I don't get the reason why to remove function key row - the width is the issue with keyboards, but how removing one row makes in any more ergonomic or usable?
Does anyone know, pls., if the numpad support ALT codes? (combination of ALT+Number on a numpad returns a special symbol). Thanks.
2:30 I wasn't looking for a second and I legit thought they had Anthony come in for one line of text. Sounding so similar there.
Pretty sure you could get a USB-C extension cable to plug it in and use it in the config with the numpad over the mouse.
Thank goodness they have so many keycap sets available because the kb has nonstandard key sizes (+0.25u on the right) so nothing else will fit.
Numpad not having a usb plug/port at the top isn't an issue since you can most like get a female usb c to type a or type c male cable to connect it to your pc or reroute to one of the usb c ports on top of the keyboard. Pretty sure you can just use alternate third party cables too.
As an update. I can say the software has improved but still could be improved more. Usually a restart fixes things. Solid keeb for $10 fron newegg snd $50 for the max recently as well.
Loving the new keyboard guy! I actually don't mind the acoustics of this board for a pre built.
Got myself an Everest Max a month a go and I'm in love
What is TKL on a keyboard?
(TenKeyLess keyboard) A computer keyboard that does not have a 10-key numeric keypad on the right side.
Looks like you could easily do your Numkeys in the distance with usb-c cable extender?
Is it possible to use two numpads at this board? One on the left and one on the right. It would be great for my workflow.
You can definitely have the numpad separately. Mountain include an extension cable in the box. You just hook the usb c's together.
I have the everest-max keyboard and it comes with a female to male cable for the numpad. I presume you can get a custom or third party longer one
I really want a new lapboard for my couch PC but can't find any with swappable switches. Is there anything out there other than the Razer and Corsair lapboards?
Do the USB-C ports support passthrough of any kind, like if I were to use a C-to-C cable to connect my phone to my PC?
4:20 this look is good on the first week, and after a while, you forget it and yank the keyboard all over the desk, and looking at it now at my desk, it's messy AF. XD
Would the Numnpad work, if you connect it via a USB-C extension cord to the keyboard or even directly to the pc?
cant you use a cable to connect the number pad to the keyboard?
K70 didn't interest me, but I got a k100 with OPX, personally really like it. Just that the top keys (esc, f1-12, etc) are a bit too close to the main body.
I have to have the num pad, it's a must for this gamer/streamer, because I used to be an accountant and it's what I have grown to love...
But does it allow usb-c pass through from the unused ports?
The modularity of the keyboard is pretty cool. Hopefully this becomes more of a thing.
You could use the numpad separately from the keyboard: get a USB C extension cable and run it as long as you wanted to have it still usable, but out of your way.