A New Gaming Keyboard CONTENDER!! - Lemokey L3
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- Опубліковано 27 тра 2024
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Keychron makes a lot of great keyboards, but they're usually seen more as an office keyboard... until now! Keychron's new sub-brand Lemokey is here with their first keyboard -- the L3 -- and Plouffe is here to see if Keychron can keep their high quality and stylish designs while being a worthwhile contender in the gaming keyboard space.
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Keychron (kind of) has a new keyboard
0:41 Unboxing
3:16 Dongle storage?
3:43 Other misc. features
4:37 Design and switch impressions
8:31 Sponsor - War Thunder
8:58 Thoughts on macro buttons
9:43 Typing test and sound impressions
11:17 Battery and RGB
12:22 Polling rate, competition, and pricing/availability
14:35 Overall thoughts
15:40 Outro - Наука та технологія
Looks like the Female USB-C to Female USB-A is supposed to be used as a wireless USB extender.
@blakebarks got it also right stating Also so if the battery dies you can quickly pull off the dongle and hook it into the keyboard for wired use. Very underrated and I totally disagree with him at 3min mark. Female to female with cable allows this kind of emergency quick swap, especially with included a to c cable.
My Logitech mouse has the same sort of adapter. I keep the dongle at the edge of my desk and when I need to charge the mouse I can just unplug the dongle and use the same chord to charge.
Plus let’s be real, we all have piles of usb c to A cables lying around anyway if you just want to go wired all the time
LMG falling at thoroughly checking again
@@LoightaFluwid it’s a short review, it’s not that deep buddy.
My 58 year old wife, heavily experienced in many decades of typing and office work, sees Plouffe be unhappy with a 116 at 97% ... and she says "a young guy with a Hawaii shirt and a pink hat on gets results like that, the world has changed" ... I think she means that in a good way.
She typed slowly for many decades, or she had the wrong kind of keyboard.
@@metallurgico i think she meant that the look of the guy and the results from typing were impressive not she couldn't do better...
@@accelement3499 - exactly.
@@metallurgicoI think when she started to work, typing was mostly done by women (that's why the comments about a man typing quite well). At 58, she was also the last generation of workers that used a typewriter.
Don't look down on older people's typing skills. They had to manually correct mistakes back then. There was no delete or backspace buttons. We have it easy now.
@@metallurgico116wpm is top 1%
Pretty sure the dongle is just so that you can place the wireless receiver close to the keyboard on your desk.
Also so if the battery dies you can quickly pull off the dongle and hook it into the keyboard for wired use. Very underrated and I totally disagree with him at 3min mark. Female to female with cable allows this kind of emergency quick swap, especially with included a to c cable.
I see the break that LMG took was put to good use 🙄
@@bonanzabrandon6877lol it's an unboxing. You think they can suddenly discover every small use case that manufacturers offer. Grow up.
@@joelconolly5574 "small use case" yeah sure, unplugging the dongle to plug in a wireless keyboard to recharge the battery is a very niche scenario. Maybe you should grow up and lay off the copium.
Im assuming its because he is a primarily wired user, and barely uses dongle/bluetooth with his keyboards so he is not as experienced with the little things/conveniences.
The c to a “adapter” is an extender so you can use it with the cable and have your dongle near your keyboard
Exactly, basically all wireless mice do this as well. MUCH better than plugging it in directly to the PC. If someone doesn't know this means they are not using wireless peripherals.
After watching one of your reviews I picked up a K5 from Keychron, best keyboard I have ever used, picked up another for work. Something about the way the keys feel, the build quality. Just great keyboards.
The little plastic lamp on the front is just for novelty, theres no LED behind it. You can take apart the keyboard and pop out the yellow part to make it less distracting, or remove it entirely.
Theres quite a bit of flex on the sides of keyboard when pressing down on the keys, but almost no flex in the middle. It seems like theres screws on the side that would help stabilize the sides, but they are too short and so are just for show. Foam will wear down over time, so this could change.
The stabilizers on most of the larger keys are not great, a fair bit of wobble. It may be possible to replace these with 3rd party ones.
The macro key caps in the left can be changed out with the included playstation themed caps, but they are smaller, so there will be large gaps around the keys. Red ones are angled like regular keys, grey ones are aligned. Not sure if there are alternative large key caps that they can be switched out with.
Banana switches sound great IMO, sound nice and muted.
Had an issue with the right mouse movement assigned to a key with VIA in wireless mode instead activating the right mouse click. Works fine in wired mode.
2.4ghz wireless mode seems to comnect instantly with minimal to no delay.
Mine just arrived and I'm really impressed.... keeping in my mind this is my first high-end mechanical keyboard. I got the silver case with white keys, and banana switches. Everything feels and sounds great, and the build quality is incredible. I'm actually not a gamer, and got this for video editing.
So two months have passed, what is your experience? Also will 2.4Ghz will be fine for controlling media from 2 meters? I have bad experience with K6 that I have troubles even writing in youtube search using BT.
I’m so curious what that little yellow industrial light looking thing on it was.
i believe it is a little yellow industrial light type device
Yooo I've been watching SC for years and NEVER knew they put soft music in the background until just now watching a video through a new pair of audiophile headphones and a dedicated amp/dac that I just got.
Mind blown.
Would love to see an open firmware keyboard like this that competes with Wooting. It's rare to find a single design in gaming hardware that is so significantly better than the others. If there were a QMK/VIA compatible hall-sensing keyboard out there though...that's the competition we need for the gaming keyboard space.
thats what i was saying to myself a bit ago i love the rapid trigger and changeable activation points on say the wooting or steelseries but im a huge fan of the fit and finish of Keychrons boards if they were to ever venture into hall effect switches id just throw my money at them.
I think shortcircuit should be a "short quick review after a week" channel. First the unboxing and usual stuff. Come back in one week to tell your opinion in the same video. That way, less mistakes. But ofcouse more time taken. Not like the video releases the day the product gets out there anyway.
This looks interesting, basically a Keychron with 2.4 Ghz. If they do eventually do well and come up with smaller layouts I would consider it.
This issue is that for $200 it’s not keychron prices
@@Readyplayer11 It is for their Q series, more of a premium aluminium construction and mounting, or I think some of the less common layouts. Hopefully they do expand on this new model/brand and maybe it will be a bit more affordable.
That female to female adapter is used to reduce latency and keep a stable connection when you have your PC under your desk. It's a gaming keyboard so odds are you'd probably use it with a tower PC, or if you use it with a gaming laptop then it probably already has USB type A ports. It's probably meant more for an extender than an adapter, though you can use it for either
I often use the macros for shortcuts when typing in word documents like for headers, bullet, number, etcs.
The high pitched sound is pretty annoying in the video but other than that: if it had a full sized variant this seems to be the perfect keyboard to me. Bonus points if the extra buttons were pre mapped to something like F13 onwards
I've got the Keychron V1 wired with BOBA 4ut switches. The Keychron cases do seem to be very well made and any with hot swappable switches are so nice.
Oh I think the blue and black versions look sick. Love the spaceship / industrialish looking theme on this one.
The USB C adapter came how it should have - they provide you with a USB - C cable already
Love my Keychron Q1 Pro! Well, I had to change out the default keycaps for cherry profile, but then I was in love!
Good to see it have 2.4GHz wireless option. Model without knob side would be good too.
Nice style. I prefer extras on top or to the right though. I'd rather have my esc column be the only thing on the left side.
Just bought this keyboard last week, and it arrived yesterday and then I put Gateron KS-3 Milky Yellow Pro switches in it and OMG is this keyboard like heaven(compared to any other keyboard I've ever owned)
3:54 - They have plenty of non-hotswappable keyboards. Even versions of the same keyboards, somehow. - As in, when you go to a product-page of a keyboard, you could choose between what kind of switches. And a whole bunch of them have the option to get, say, red/blue/brown switches that have white light only, but aren't hot-swappable for some reason, but then you also get the option for hot-swappable versions, but they're RGB-lighting only. - I don't really understand why not for the white-only ones, but anyway. - Unless the description is incomplete...
The adapter is made intentionally that way and it's common layout for all wireless keyboards. This enables people to 1. place their wireless dongle in a close proximity to the keyboard while still being hidden and 2. easily charge the keyboard by simply plugging out the dongle and attaching the wire to the keyboard
which shine through keycaps would you recommend?
Just bought a Keychron V6 and love it. Massive upgrade from an old Steelseries Apex M800. Although I do miss the macro keys and more in-depth RGB control. Which is one of the only gripes I have with this keyboard. RGB control is limited. I miss the Nyan cat idle animation.
"Someone in Boston is gonna be mad"
Me laughing my ass off on the T
😂😂😂
keychron k0 on bluetooth never had any issues, just need to recharge often
@ShortCircuit are the 4 macro keys on the left side swappable with regular keycaps??
I have a Keychron 60% Full keyboard with blue keyswitches and the Bluetooth has never let me down. (Edit: It's 96% not 60%)
60% full keyboard? That's 2 conflicting things. 60% is a keyboard that's only 60% of a normal full keyboard. Just say 60% and leave ot at that you don't add the full part.
@@TheGamingMexican69maybe it was like a full assembled keyboard instead of a barebones kit
Bluetooth needs both emitting and receiving sides to work for a good experience. I have perfectly working Bluetooth headphones and accessories that make love with my laptop but with my desktop it’s a whole different experience
@7897sebas you would still only call it a 60% keyboard. When you say that it's 60% its the style of keys and how they are arranged. A TKL will be almost the same as a full keyboard, except it doesn't have the number pad and buttons over on the edge of the keyboard.
Bluetooth for the K1 Keychron has let down too many times to the point I hated it for a long time until figure out that the antenna just sucked.
The K4 Keychron just works great though.
im rocking the k8 pro but i sure do LOVE the industrial look on them and they are built very well
I went from a K8 Pro to the Lemokey L3. I used to like my K8 Pro, but the L3 takes sophistication to the next level (not just looks but typing feel).
This is actually great, I wanted to replace my K3 and given I have a thunderbolt dock that different laptops use, 2.4ghz wireless is great, rather than messing around with Bluetooth profiles. Yay!
Keychron is large enough to not need kickstarters anymore but it looks like an upfront cash grab for a minimally different product they would have no issue releasing on the main brand. This can't be 3x as good as a K8 wireless or the other QMK keyboards. Companies can't keep getting away with putting "gaming" in the product title to charge a premium.
The bizzare part is that its pretty much the same as their Keychron Q3 Pro. Same price too
still looking for a full-size keyboard with swappable switches.
This. All i want is a full sized swappable keyboard with 4-5 markos on the left (also dont need a knob imo)
Lol, it's definately Keychron. And I've got the extra macrokeys on my Q0 PLus anyhow. Actually, there are five on that.
Which means, I've got not one, but two dials. I mean, of course I have a dial-version of my main keyb, About the position of the plug, my main is on the left and the cable leads to the left - the Q0+ is on an angle so the plug in the middle is fine, which leads to the rights, along with the cable for the mouse.
Yes, it's keyb, mouse, pad for me.
Man I wish I saw this video a month ago. I got the Q1 Pro and I'm so happy with it but damn, this looks perfect for my aesthetic.
I got my Q1 Pro on friday and build it with Gateron Northpole Boxed Red and i really like the switch. They feel extremly smooth and sound great. I also like the really low actuation force.
I don't like heavy switches and i hate tactile(i don't know why but every tactile i ever tried feels scratchy) and i don't like clicky because they are to loud. Linear is the best switchtype in my opinion. They are great in every circumstances but that's peronal preference.
To the wireless debate. I don't get it. Most high end custom keyboards are extremly heavy and stay stationary almost all the time. Did you really need wireless on a device you only move a couple centimeter ever so often? It makes no sense for me. On a mouse, yes, but a mouse is a device you constantly move around and a cable can be destracting.
13:21 ISO vertical enter IS THE BEST!!!
the work louder products also seem interesting, are you gonna check them out?
Love TKLs, too bad this wasn't around when I got my K8.
How's the build quality of this compared to the q3 max? I want wireless and tkl or 75% layout
I don’t care about the polling frequency or any other gaming thing. But I highly prefer a 2.4GHz dongle over bluetooth because I can put the dongle in my monitor, and connect that via Thunderbolt to either my work or private laptop. The only question I’d have is, is there a Keychron mouse that connects to the same dongle?
I wish more keyboards had split spacebar options - I love it on my system76 board, one key is just such a waste of the thumbs
Any chance i could get a keychron q3 pro vs lemokey l3 comparison video?
Can you use the same 2.4hz dongle with a keychron mouse?
they have great customer support. my 5 switch just stopped working and they first offered me a new board, i said it's less than a year old like come on, they sent me a brand new one no cost.
Waiting on my keychron Q14 Alice southpaw to be delivered. Looking forward to having a split layout.
I adore my Feker Alice 80 - its such a natural layout. The gasketing is amazing
Are you guys ever going to review any FULL keyboards?
"This keyboard whomps" Dude! An OG Recess fan? Hell yeah! You love to see it.
I hope they make another version that uses a K2 75% layout.
does anyone know which site he is using to do the typing test?
I debated for a few months whether to preorder that keyboard or not. Having not had a Keychron I was on the fence esp at $200+, and yes, I know it's not "that expensive" for mechanical keyboard these days. However, that's a lot of money for me to commit to a keyboard especially since a good mouse makes more of a difference when gaming than the keyboard...at least in my experience though I'm not a pro e-sports gamer. If I am going off this pseudo general review/unboxing, then I do like the keyboard overall and if it's readily available in a month or so I might take a chance. I've been using a Hyper X Alloy Origins Core with aqua switches and it's been ok. I like a metal chassis, but Hyper X didn't dampen it much or enough, but it's not too bad.
I really like the Nuphy keyboards, definitely worth checking out
No feet is a deal breaker for me. Having a higher typing angle just feels better to me. Maybe in V2 version if this does well.
2:50 I wouldn't find the dongle being female to female to be an issue. I assume most people would use it as I do my mouse. Putting the dongle in clear sight of the keyboard and then when the battery on the keyboard gets low just unplug the dongle and plug in the cable
the new spacebars legit sound better. I had literally placed paper towel under my old K3 spacebar to dampen the sound. My new board though is great out of the box
WAIT NOOO I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR THIS KEYBOARD LAYOUT FOR YEARS AND I GAVE IN AND GOT A WOOTING LAST WEEK T_T
why does LTT have a random vinyl record stamper in the background
I went from logitech to keychron at the same price point keychron feels such a better board with the ability to do actual maintenance, I'm hooked on their products jow
logitech feel like ewaste keyboards with rgb sometimes if you compair to keychron
My G413 is double hitting some keys some days, fixes itself others, then other keys like enter miss every 3rd time I hit them, fixed itself again, and this on repeat for the past year or two after owning it for a few years now... I mean I paid 70$ I think it was for it so for a mechanical keyboard from a big brand with aluminum frame that's not bad, but definitely sub optimal.
Strange as the 1-3$ logitech keyboards I've used all my life used to last me 5-8 years, so for their "premium" one to start having trouble ~1 year in is.... disappointing..
@mataskart9894 my logitech was missing presses then doubling them up. Kind of stumbled across keychron and now won't go back to logitech. As little time I have used it feels way better product then what some one like logitech was offering.
Love the Plouffester. I just heard something that made me think Nicholas had left LTT, so I looked up his most recent video - and it was only a month ago so hopefully I just misunderstood and Plouffe is still with LTT.
Wardrobe is aggressively Buffett. DOOO IIIIT!!!
I really wish there was a keyboard like this but with an extra USB port on it to plug my mouse into...
The circle thing in th background is distracting somehow
"I've definitly done better"
- Plouffe on every keyboard when he does the writing test
If anyone knows of shine through keycaps for south facing RGB keyboards that are worth buying, please let me know. Not a huge fan of the Glorious pudding caps i have, but I've been curious about the side printed caps
What the heck is that little pink creature in the background to the right of Plouffe? Looks like it has little heart eyes 😂
For the space bar there is a easy mod: Just put a few layers of tape inside of the key cap.
id consider it if it werent tkl. Good non tkls are becoming hard to find. im rocking the steelseries apex pro for now, but getting bored of it.
yeah i rather have numpad too but its hard idk why its so hard to find full size keyboards
I have to ask ... why do you use keyboard typing tester in WPM? Since not all words are of same length ... seems kinda pointless ... why not CPM? BTW i just got my Keychron K10 Pro and absolutely love it.
Got the V6 for work and the Q5 for home.
Please cover Full Size Mechanical Keyboards
I hope @ShortCircuit looks at the ROG Strix Scope II 96 Wireless keyboard. If going on features alone and seeing a few UA-cam reviews, that might be the one I'm most interested in. Personally, I like having a numpad and with the Scope II you get a semi compact full layout. The only gripe I see is the 1k polling rate, otherwise it looks like a great keyboard from a mainstream company that still allows you to hotswap switches and keys.
More full sized keyboards please! So weird to add another extra row on the left of macro keys, but remove the numpad like wut.
My only gripe with Keychron keyboards is the LED layout.. It makes it very difficult to find key caps that are compatible with the placement of the LED. South facing RGB is rough. I own two Keychron keyboards and enjoy them besides that point.
I got a really good-looking side print keycap kit for my K8 Pro. Bought on Etsy
yep same here, its wierd i dont see any option, for shine through/side print.
the space silver is goddamn beautiful.
Anyone old enough to remember Maya and softimage having to use a hardware dongle for each seat?
Spoofing those things is pretty f****** epic!
Downside of a female to male USB-C adapter is that it's much less likely to fit next to the other things you have plugged in. So just letting you adapt to a cable sounds way more convenient.
I just wish they could do pre-order campaigns or drops instead of Kickstarter. I won't back any more Kickstarter projects so unless they have it on their site, I'm completely disinterested. Sounds nice though.
I have no real interest in keyboards, but I come here to watch entire herds of people who do. It's a rare spectacle.
This is a really odd product for keychron to release. Its essentially just the Keychron Q3 Pro which is the exact same price?
It’s the same dongle set up that comes with my glorious model O. I hate it too
shine through keycaps on a south facing board, mhm yep.
But does it razer?
I can't see "Lemokey" without reading it as "Le monkey".
Need to know what dans new silent keyboard is. Finding a good silent board is impossible
The trouble with 2.4GHz dongles is the security. It has been demonstrated that such dongles from reputable companies (Microsoft, Logitech) are vulnerable to not only wireless key logging, but also key injection. That's something to keep in mind if you use such dongles, and something that should be more broadly known. Maybe LMG should talk about it any time there is a wireless dongle involved.
Why was the price blacked out?
It's kinda weird trend: remove keys from the right and add them to the left xD
It's so you have more room for the mouse - it is a simple yet smart solution.
i hate extra keys on the left, stuffs up my homing. Just went 65%, who needs all those keys anyway XD
@@mycosyssoftware developers and networkers, try typing up an ip address on the number row.
@@arnarn4112 you'd buy a bigger table ;)
"Extra feet, which is always nice."
Review the Asus ROG Strix Scope II 96 Wireless, its a very good keyboard
Cool, a keyboard made for me Lemo. Also , for the first time someone actually says it right.
You gotta add those adjustable feet so people can kill their wrists faster!
I believe you when you say that you use everything cabled, because you don't know the purpose of the dongle adapter + cable. :D
it sounds like ps2 era lego game building
Am I the only one that would love a keyboard with two or more dongles and being able to switch between them instead of bluetooth? Hate BT connectivity to PCs...
I use the K8 on Bluetooth and it's perfectly fine.
250 polling rate is "just" 8ms, that doesn't suck as there is nobody who can tell the difference anyway!
A just-wired version of this would be nice. I am just interested in the extra column for macro keys.
Keychron/Lemokey are the few keyboard companies that provide ISO keyboards.
Why did you not open it?
So sad Chumlee isn't working with pawn stars anymore
"I'm guessing", "I'm not sure", "I don't know".
I sure hope you respond to the questions you had but if not, could you please check those things BEFORE filming the video?
This bugged me too. The review gives an off-putting attitude of not caring at all.
@@arnarn4112They excuse it with "This is just a first impression channel".