The Fort Hood shooting unfortunately proved the terminal capability of the 5.7 round. Using possibly the weakest manufactured projectile made for 5.7 , the shooter killed all 13 people who were hit center mass. All of those wounded were hit in arms , legs etc and were left with devastating injuries including a single shot shattered femur which is the largest and most dense bone in the human body.
@@swamp1634 it actually does. Terminal effectiveness is just that, how effective the round is with the end result of terminal damage. One doesn’t have to be armed to gauge that.
@@swamp1634 That's where you're wrong. He fired a lot of shots but his average hit count was just 2.5 shots per victim and that includes those shot more than 3 times and those shot just once. Also included are the young, strong, MEN who attempted to rush the shooter and were cut down by the 5.7x28 round. You will rationalize your personal bias no matter what knowledge you're exposed to, but the Ft. Hood shooter definitely did NOT "spray bullets" as you have been inculcated to parrot by your favorite internet expert.
@@JoshuaRowell-o8m Among those deceased in the shooting Frederick Greene, one of the men who charged the shooter, was shot 12 times. Michael Cahil, another man to charge the shooter, was shot six times. Aaron Nemelka, who was lying down, was shot 3 times. Jason Hunt, who was also lying down, was shot 3 times. The only people I can find whom were shot one time are Francheska Velez, a pregnant woman shot thru the heart. Kham See Xiong, a man shot in the head. Perhaps you could provide me more info on the rest of the deceased? Or correct any inaccurate info here?
There absolutely is, which is why I tried to use a wide spectrum of it as much as possible but sourcing it even when you are in the ammo business is a tricky thing. Thanks for commenting and Happy Holidays!
Ss198lf penetrates 13 inches in gel and also tore thru several Christmas hams that I bought to test. Also set up windshield to see what it would do thru windshield.. I more than trust my life with it after my tests. Have no second thoughts about carrying it. Hell it did more damage than my 10mm Underwood on meat targets.. I am good.
This is like the only Handgun I carry for Self defense along with the Sig Saucer P320 m18. 5.7x28mm is pretty deadly with reloaded chaos controlled facturing ammunition. 🙏🏽
You really need to shoot a 5.7 to know it's a badass round. It makes gallon jugs do the dance very well compared to any 9mm round I have shot. I prefer small, fast, light, with next to no recoil for follow-up shots. When I'm carrying a 5.7 with a 20 round mag I never feel under-gunned. I can't say that for the 9mm. Though the 5.7 is a full-size pistol, it's very light and maneuverable.
@@jimbob465 if you did the research and looked through real life scenarios, you would realize the 5.7 is better but it’s okay bro I know you’re just trying to cope cause u can’t afford 5.7x28 lmfao. God bless and hope nothing but the best for ya 👍🏽
If you want to see the real potential of the 5.7×28 round get some black dragon fang from Vangaurd or Elite Ammunition, if you want the best rounds for self defense, damage and lethality get some ammo from R&R Weapon Systems, their fragmentation rounds are the best 5.7×28 out there for self defense, particularly the IS130s
That's because it's a poor choice. It produces very inconsistent results and usually underpenetrates. Why would anyone trust their life to something like that?
Awesome caliber! Secret service used it and probably still does! Plenty of stopping power, as speedy and made to tumble in the body etc. foolish haters are just dumb and jealous!
Secret Service protects the leader of the free world. I give them a bit of leeway because of that fact. Yes, I HATE idiots that carry 5.7 to protect themselves. Unless you are a FFL employee that is transporting hundreds of guns to/from a gunshow (and a juicy target for MS-13), then you have NO valid argument for your life or your risk being more valid than the risk that you expose the community to when using 5.7.
5.7x28 out of a handgun is not penetrating deeper in ballistic gel than any other recommended defensive handgun caliber. How is this round more dangerous to the public?
@@youtubewatcher4792 I do not believe it is dangerous to the public. The only thing dangerous to the public is people who have mental challenges/problems. Those people should probably not be able to have guns until they are diagnosed and determined to be better. What’s a problem and concern to the public, as the leaders we have they continue to blame guns, knives and weapons on why people are being killed and hurt, instead of blaming people with problems and trying to get more help. Here in Oregon there is hardly anywhere with any room available for troubled teenagers and people with mental problems. Trust me I know this because my daughter had some struggles and it took forever to get her into a place or two and it was very challenging and there wasn’t enough help for these people and kids! They spend more money trying to make laws to take rights away from law-abiding citizens who are using guns for defensive purposes and hobbies like we have for hundreds and hundreds of years, instead of using the money to help people who have mental struggles. Also it doesn’t help, when you have school teachers that are telling your kids they can be a boy or a girl or whatever they want whenever they want and confusing them and taking rights away from the parents. On another note, the 5.7 x 28 round is a great round and awesome for self-defense.
@@thorman944 What are you talking about? Have you ever actually taken a moment to research 5.7's penetration characteristics at all? Being able to penetrate soft body armor does not automatically equate to being good at penetrating people or barriers. In fact, 5.7 presents no more risk than any other common handgun round in regards to general overpenetration. People carrying .40 S&W pose a greater risk than 5.7 in that regard. Please actually do just a tiny bit of research man, it's not that hard.
Carbon took the words right out of my mouth. Also there's these things called hollow points that people use to avoid over penetration. There have been many many penetration tests done comparing this round to a 9 mm. The nine-millimeter always penetrated further. This round is good at piercing Kevlar. Its design is to cause massive wound channel through the stretching of one's inner organs. That's the effect that a rifle round has. This round has the same effect because it's moving that fast.(a mini rifle round). Regular pistol bullets are pretty much making a hole with very limited if not any stretching going on. That's why there's a little bullet does so much damage. It also starts to tumble when it loses speed, causing more damage. It's all quite technical. Not for the simple minded.
This is the most underrated EDC weapon to date. As another commenter said, it’s a devastating round to the human body that’s why the SS carried/s it! The length gets to me in the car, but it’s better than coughing up a couple grand for a compact variant. The light weight makes up for the fact it’s a little long to be comfortable while carrying appendix though. Plus, with 23rds of this potent shit you really feel safe given you’re comfortable with your weapon. All in all 10/10 EDC for those wondering and a great video. Always A+ content.
@@johnryan6658 yea not one round. What’s devastating is when there’s 22 other ones in you (through you) before you get 1 round off. But I promise you would still be struggling even if I just hit you one time
@@austinedrington2011 Yeah, yeah, everyone thinks they're John Wick until they're in an actual life of death situation. Let me clue you in. You ain't John Wick. In such a situation, the piss poor penetration will get you killed. Those rounds aren't going through. Hence, the Secret Service stopped using it.
Excellent, coherent video. Seems like a soft shooter with minimal recoil or muzzle flip. But what about racking the slide? For some seniors with a little arthritis, a difficult slide would be a deal breaker. Any old timers out there have experience? This firearm could be a great home defense tool. Thank you.
Would have been great if you shared with us the manufacturer of the ammo you were using. We can certainly guess but these days there are several companies that make these rounds now...
12 to 18 inches is the standard for a 10% block. There is no standard that I am aware of for a 15% block. This is not to discount the results observed, but we should not say that less than 12 inches doesn't meet the standard in a 15% block as we would expect less penetration to begin with
That is totally the case which is why we state our 15 percent concentration. I will be more careful about that distinction in the future. Thanks for viewing and for the tip. Happy Holidays.
Don't forget that the FBI/IWBA spec is 12 to 18 inches in 10% organic ordnance gelatin and not Clear Ballistics gel. They are not the same thing and don't behave the same way.
@@johnryan6658 The distance between skin and heart or lungs is only about 2" you also need to remember that normal pistol calibers operate with a different mechanism, crushing and punching a plug while 5.7 and rifles are about hydrostatic shock.
I’ve seen a few ballistics gel and body armor test for the 5.7, but it doesn’t shine like it did with that chicken. The chicken test truly show cases how devastating the round is in actual tissue and makes me rethink ballistic gel test. It’s also obvious the lighter grains are optimized for a longer barrel. Imagine a 60-65 grain a max for the pistols. Beyond devastating.
I haven't seen any 60 grain 5.7 anywhere, but I do know of light grain 357sig ammo that gives you the same velocity with more FPE I'll take 357sig over 57 any day of the week
Are you planning on making a video on the new 30 super carry pistol caliber? I've thought about buying a pistol chambered in 30 super carry but the ammo is next to impossible to find.
It's always interesting hearing "stopping power". back in the late 80's 9mm was considered anemic. Now the 9mm guys make the same claim against the 5.7x28mm. I on-body carry a 43x but carry a Ruger 57 with me in a bag (havent figured out how to comfortably carry on body) In a pistol format there isn't another handgun that has the capabilities of the 5.7 and the "stopping power" is undeniable. Great video!
Is this range open to public or your private range? I just purchased the newest FN 57 mrd to add to my collection. Going to put the delta point pro on it that’s sitting in my safe. I already have the Ruger 57. I’m not sure why I bought it but I’ve been wanting one so now I have one. I daily carry a Glock 19 and sometimes a colt defender. I may carry the FN if it doesn’t seem to bulky. I also live really close to Findlay. I go to Buffalo Trading every now and then.
Correct. The Five seveN in particular is a niche gun, and not all people are FN fans. [Some feel it's unpatriotic to buy non-US weapons, and that is their right. But, it's also the right of those who want to buy FN irrespective of where it is sourced]. In any event, I very much doubt that FN have the capacity to produce in such huge quantities, as they are probably still busy producing half the world's machine guns!
@@smibru Good point! 5.56mm Nato is also an FN-designed round, now I think of it. It seems most/some 9mm weapons are also non-US! So, maybe it shouldn't matter, but it seems it does. Wow. Complicated.
good weapon i have m&p 57 which is 22 plus 1 only problem i have with my 5.7 is finding a higher capacity clip and finding ammo that is worth the dollar a round, 5.7 is cheap if bought online in bulk im just not paying 1+for round unless that round is doing 2k feet per second or better which is most 27-36-40 grain rounds do the vmax shoots 1700-1750 out of 5.2 in barrel from rock and ruger but don't quite know best ammo is vanguard, R&R and Elite Ammunition. cheapest round that is best is monumental vo from vanguard which is 36 grain hollow point with the biggest wound channel and deepest penetration traveling at a decent average of 2050-2150 feet per second out of a 4.8 barrel i have 5 inch on m&p 57 so maybe 50 -100 fps and the other 57 pistols are 5.2 inch which is a little better
With the right ammo. The FN SS90/SS190 ammo, FN SS198LF ammo and especially the Elite Ammunition T6B ammo, Elite Ammunition Devestator ammo and Elite Ammunition S4 ammo. The very best is the Elite Ammunition T6B ammo. It will defeat level III+ body armor and has a velocity out of an FN 5.7 handgun at around 2,550 ft./s. to in excess of 2,600 ft./s. in some cases. That is the ammo that I keep in mine and it is definitely worth the money!
Are the wound tracks thick /fat/wide enough for trauma? Or do you suppose this round requires several follow up shots with better placement than say a hotter 9 or .40 round ? If your answer is yes then no it's simply a round that requires military grade ammo to be normal at causing the same effective wound cavities as a standard larger round .
The round is overrated and expensive. 9mm is as effective and better at hard barriers, plus it is affordable and widely available. 5.7 will never overtake 9mm in terms of use. It is all hype.
ss190 will absolutely penetrate level 3. It was specifically designed to do so. SS198LF (27gr high velocity lead free... basically LF+P) will penetrate some soft armor. Elite ammunition makes several rounds that have shown to penetrate level 3 as well. One of them resulted in their getting a bogus raid by the ATF, because apparently our government found it too bothersome to simply buy a box and test it themselves. The round was legal by definition... but they were pressured to change it. The newer variants are pretty much equally impressive, if not more so. If you're looking for defense against armored assailants, the major ones to avoid are the ss197sr (Hornady polymer tip), ss200 (JHP), ss201 (FMJ standard), and ss195lf (27gr high velocity hollow point).
Too much hype about caliber. Effectiveness is all about shot placement and control ability. Caliber makes no difference if you cant hit anything with it.
Isn’t that a P90 with a 10” barrel? Comical how many of these content creators don’t include the top of the line defense 5.7 from the various boutique manufacturers like elite ammunition that make rds that truly demonstrate this calibers capabilities but label their videos as “a test of the 57’s defense capabilities “. And a shot out to his friend that I assume wants the world to know his name and that he has a huge gun collection.
Ask the Green Berets who used the 5.7 in Iraq (as they field test many weapons) what they think of the caliber. One friend had fifteen good hits on a Haji to terminate the encounter. Not impressed at all. BTW, many different bullet configurations.
Thanks for viewing and commenting. You bring up a salient point.....chickens are not people and practical field knowledge is crucial. Thanks for sharing that knowledge with our viewers and I hope you continue to share.
@@AmmoMart I appreciate your work. I don't want to be viewed as a smartazz, but the reports were not good. The damage done to the chickens might occur if they were frozen (not saying they were) but at 98.6F, human body temp, as you know, there is less resistance to the bullet, hence a clean hole. I have seen a lot of GSW, there is nothing like a caliber rifle! Thanks again sir.
Very interesting! As a complete accident the chickens were thawed, and at outdoor temperature because I try to pick them up on the way to film and they typically sit out for an hour or two while we film the other material. I appreciate your insight for sure and any knowledge related to the actual application of the caliber is priceless. Thanks again and Happy Holidays!
Good video. Appreciate the effort. It’s still just a .22 caliber bullet moving slower than a rifle. Even the standard issue 5.56 rifles regularly require multiple hits to stop the bad guy. Which is why there is a push to have larger calibers for the military.
That's because a heavier 62gr Armor penetrating bullet is coming out of a 14.5" Barrel which it was never designed to do. It was designed around a 20" Barrel. Even still, the 62gr + M4 is more effective than you give it credit for. The SEALS, Green Berets, Delta all use the 5.56 as their Primary. It domed Osama Bin Laden. A 55gr 5.56 out of a 20" Barrel (Think M16, or any Rifle) thats nearly 3,500fps. In Vietnam the wounds inflicted by the M16A1 were devastating. Entrance the size of a toothpick, exit, the size of a cantaloupe with other random exits from the round tearing itself apart, creating a half dozen or more wound tracks. It is because of the Field Reports/Photo/Video of the effectiveness of the Americans Black Rifle, and the 5.56 that the Soviets dropped the large, slow 30 Caliber, 7.62x39 and invested Millions creating a new round, Building Millions of new rifles, Multi Millions of new magazines, accessories etc. This culminates during Vietnam in 1974 as the AK-74 and it's 5.45x39 Projectile still the primary Russian round to this day. Thank you Eugene Stoner.
Remember that this cartridge was purpose-designed by FN for military use in close-quarters battle (CQB), out of their PDW and handguns chambered for the cartridge. It was also designed to penetrate soft-body armor when using the military-issue round developed by Fabrique National, namely the SS190. The 5.7x28 FN cartridge was designed to deliver similar or superior performance to 9x19mm NATO (9mm Parabellum/Luger), but at less penalty in weight and bulk, allowing soldiers to carry more rounds for the same weight. In other words, the civilian-legal ammunition for this cartridge is not going to possess the same attributes as the stuff FN makes for special operations, SWAT, etc. use. That said, Speer - who are a widely known and respected firm which has been supplying police departments with ammunition for decades - have just come out with a JHP load for 5.7x28 FN, and if their past products are any indication, it ought to be a good performer. Your basic point is correct, but just wanted to supply some context that this cartridge was not developed, per se, for civilian use - but for special military operations and personnel. The basic appeal of something like the 5.7x28 FN for a civilian looking for a capable self-defense handgun and load is that the 5.7 has modest recoil, high magazine capacity and can be shot more-accurately than heavier recoiling cartridges. It may be that the over-penetration risk is less also, compared to other types of handgun ammunition. The main problem for common folks is that 5.7x28 is expensive compared to more-established cartridges such as 9x19mm or 38 Special or any of the other older designs. And it isn't widely available everywhere at present.
@@corvetteman0714 stopping power is such a facade it doesnt exist what does exist is efficiency through hydraulic shock or hydrostatic shock which the 5.7 doesn't do either of (most rounds are under 2000 fps at the muzzle much less through a person) so saying stopping power of the 5.7 is a joke in the sense it's not amazing performance its average for a caliber of its size and energy wound tracks only seem good usually because of tumbling (which is very 2 dimensional) so most people could handle a 5.7 as good as a 380 which isnt a man stopper but it ain't anything yo scoff at
@Disgruntled Simp Mod it doesnt because in order for true hydrostatic shock to occur with the permenant wound cavity it has to travel over 2000 fps as it goes through a target not just on impact
It is not legally defendable to carry this round in many jurisdictions, and it is IMMORAL to carry this in any jurisdiction. The goal for any CCW permit holder is to stop the threat with as few shots fired and as little potential danger to innocent bystanders. ANY round designed to defeat body armor will pass through an attacker and put innocent bystanders at risk. Your #1 job is to not hurt innocent bystanders, #2 is to protect yourself. THIS ROUND is great for SWAT or high-speed military that is going up against really bad people with body armor, but it is horrible for anyone else. THIS round prioritizes #2 and sacrifices #1 - which is a total failure. I hate saying anything that could be considered anti-2A because I am a staunch supporter, but 5.7 is not a valid CCW option.
So much misinformation. The 5.7 is a high-speed .22. Civilians do not have access to "SWAT" or "high-speed military" 5.7 ammo. Civilian 5.7 ammo DOES NOT penetrate Level II or Level III body armor.
Our company is grounded in the belief that the 2nd Amendment upholds our right to religious freedom. The pamphlet is meant merely to remind our customers of this idea. Thanks for viewing and God Bless.
Whaaa! I don’t like the pamphlet! Whaa! The calibers not lethal enough! Whaaa! He said something racist that offended me! Whaa! Scary….. Even the gun crowd has become a woke crowd of soft little entitled babies!
![Is 5.7x28mm Just Overpriced .22 Magnum? [Part 2]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/oMdaQVCEOYw/mqdefault.jpg)
The Fort Hood shooting unfortunately proved the terminal capability of the 5.7 round. Using possibly the weakest manufactured projectile made for 5.7 , the shooter killed all 13 people who were hit center mass. All of those wounded were hit in arms , legs etc and were left with devastating injuries including a single shot shattered femur which is the largest and most dense bone in the human body.
@benmorall7664 Someone spraying a bunch of unarmed people done doesn’t prove terminal effectiveness
@@swamp1634 it actually does. Terminal effectiveness is just that, how effective the round is with the end result of terminal damage. One doesn’t have to be armed to gauge that.
@@benmorall7664 So it’s capable of killing people, sure. This doesn’t prove it does more damage than say, 9mm.
@@swamp1634 That's where you're wrong. He fired a lot of shots but his average hit count was just 2.5 shots per victim and that includes those shot more than 3 times and those shot just once. Also included are the young, strong, MEN who attempted to rush the shooter and were cut down by the 5.7x28 round.
You will rationalize your personal bias no matter what knowledge you're exposed to, but the Ft. Hood shooter definitely did NOT "spray bullets" as you have been inculcated to parrot by your favorite internet expert.
@@JoshuaRowell-o8m
Among those deceased in the shooting
Frederick Greene, one of the men who charged the shooter, was shot 12 times.
Michael Cahil, another man to charge the shooter, was shot six times.
Aaron Nemelka, who was lying down, was shot 3 times.
Jason Hunt, who was also lying down, was shot 3 times.
The only people I can find whom were shot one time are
Francheska Velez, a pregnant woman shot thru the heart.
Kham See Xiong, a man shot in the head.
Perhaps you could provide me more info on the rest of the deceased? Or correct any inaccurate info here?
Funny, I am originally from Dayton/Miamisburg, OH. Love my 5.7's. Thanks for the demo's.
Greg May I ask questions
There is a huge variance in the performance of available 5.7mm ammunition.
There absolutely is, which is why I tried to use a wide spectrum of it as much as possible but sourcing it even when you are in the ammo business is a tricky thing. Thanks for commenting and Happy Holidays!
@@AmmoMartI want the SS190 steel penetrator but we cant have those, only the tyrants get those
Ss198lf penetrates 13 inches in gel and also tore thru several Christmas hams that I bought to test. Also set up windshield to see what it would do thru windshield.. I more than trust my life with it after my tests. Have no second thoughts about carrying it. Hell it did more damage than my 10mm Underwood on meat targets.. I am good.
This is like the only Handgun I carry for Self defense along with the Sig Saucer P320 m18. 5.7x28mm is pretty deadly with reloaded chaos controlled facturing ammunition. 🙏🏽
Chaos controlled, is this a type of projectile
@@nicoscarfo4486 right, I buy them from the company and I reload them in 5.7x28mm.
DOOM I've seen these projectiles before, do they preform better than R&Rs defense ammo
@@BIGALEX_DRDOOM I'm wanting to get into reloading for the 5.7, what all do I need to handload it
You really need to shoot a 5.7 to know it's a badass round. It makes gallon jugs do the dance very well compared to any 9mm round I have shot. I prefer small, fast, light, with next to no recoil for follow-up shots. When I'm carrying a 5.7 with a 20 round mag I never feel under-gunned. I can't say that for the 9mm. Though the 5.7 is a full-size pistol, it's very light and maneuverable.
The newer 9mms coming out have mostly 20rd standard mags too bro....
@@jimbob465but they don’t have the ballistics nor the recoil that 5.7 provides
@@Rooooogboi true, 9mm has much better ballistics....
@@jimbob465 it actually doesn’t lmfaoooo, but okay
@@jimbob465 if you did the research and looked through real life scenarios, you would realize the 5.7 is better but it’s okay bro I know you’re just trying to cope cause u can’t afford 5.7x28 lmfao. God bless and hope nothing but the best for ya 👍🏽
Great informative no nonsense video, saw that you had many more and now I just subscribed !
You should try out vanguard’s 5.7 “BLACK^FANG-OBSIDIAN DRAGON” ammo. They also have other types I believe
Got 1 box of 25. They do small batches and are often sold out. Seems to be good stuff. I chronographed at 2175 out of FN 57.
Read that their current batches are under powered ammunition. Yes the bullet looks cool but it is under powered.
If you want to see the real potential of the 5.7×28 round get some black dragon fang from Vangaurd or Elite Ammunition, if you want the best rounds for self defense, damage and lethality get some ammo from R&R Weapon Systems, their fragmentation rounds are the best 5.7×28 out there for self defense, particularly the IS130s
Elite Ammunition S4 is great. It is simply the SS195/198 projectile loaded to max pressure with remarkable quality control. 2400+ fps from a PSA Rock
@@keres993 everytime I look at their site everything says not available
I NEVER have a problem on getting inventory . . NEVER . . . My orders always get filled@@nicoscarfo4486
nico I've heard that R&R rounds jam a lot. have you had good luck with them?
@@neilsmith3986 the R series maybe they
Wow, and people think this will not be good enough to stop a bad guy!
May stop a bad guy, but the cost of the ammo will certainly preclude much practice.
It will but the ammo is expensive AF.
That's because it's a poor choice. It produces very inconsistent results and usually underpenetrates. Why would anyone trust their life to something like that?
@@johnryan6658😮😮😮 the 5.7??
@@yncpollo yes.
Awesome caliber! Secret service used it and probably still does! Plenty of stopping power, as speedy and made to tumble in the body etc. foolish haters are just dumb and jealous!
Secret Service protects the leader of the free world. I give them a bit of leeway because of that fact. Yes, I HATE idiots that carry 5.7 to protect themselves. Unless you are a FFL employee that is transporting hundreds of guns to/from a gunshow (and a juicy target for MS-13), then you have NO valid argument for your life or your risk being more valid than the risk that you expose the community to when using 5.7.
5.7x28 out of a handgun is not penetrating deeper in ballistic gel than any other recommended defensive handgun caliber. How is this round more dangerous to the public?
@@youtubewatcher4792 I do not believe it is dangerous to the public. The only thing dangerous to the public is people who have mental challenges/problems. Those people should probably not be able to have guns until they are diagnosed and determined to be better. What’s a problem and concern to the public, as the leaders we have they continue to blame guns, knives and weapons on why people are being killed and hurt, instead of blaming people with problems and trying to get more help. Here in Oregon there is hardly anywhere with any room available for troubled teenagers and people with mental problems. Trust me I know this because my daughter had some struggles and it took forever to get her into a place or two and it was very challenging and there wasn’t enough help for these people and kids! They spend more money trying to make laws to take rights away from law-abiding citizens who are using guns for defensive purposes and hobbies like we have for hundreds and hundreds of years, instead of using the money to help people who have mental struggles. Also it doesn’t help, when you have school teachers that are telling your kids they can be a boy or a girl or whatever they want whenever they want and confusing them and taking rights away from the parents. On another note, the 5.7 x 28 round is a great round and awesome for self-defense.
@@thorman944 What are you talking about? Have you ever actually taken a moment to research 5.7's penetration characteristics at all? Being able to penetrate soft body armor does not automatically equate to being good at penetrating people or barriers. In fact, 5.7 presents no more risk than any other common handgun round in regards to general overpenetration. People carrying .40 S&W pose a greater risk than 5.7 in that regard. Please actually do just a tiny bit of research man, it's not that hard.
Carbon took the words right out of my mouth. Also there's these things called hollow points that people use to avoid over penetration. There have been many many penetration tests done comparing this round to a 9 mm. The nine-millimeter always penetrated further. This round is good at piercing Kevlar. Its design is to cause massive wound channel through the stretching of one's inner organs. That's the effect that a rifle round has. This round has the same effect because it's moving that fast.(a mini rifle round). Regular pistol bullets are pretty much making a hole with very limited if not any stretching going on. That's why there's a little bullet does so much damage. It also starts to tumble when it loses speed, causing more damage. It's all quite technical. Not for the simple minded.
Got a PDW for the house in 5.7x28mm... really nice plus having some of the hotter loads I can mix and match in the mag
This is the most underrated EDC weapon to date. As another commenter said, it’s a devastating round to the human body that’s why the SS carried/s it! The length gets to me in the car, but it’s better than coughing up a couple grand for a compact variant. The light weight makes up for the fact it’s a little long to be comfortable while carrying appendix though. Plus, with 23rds of this potent shit you really feel safe given you’re comfortable with your weapon. All in all 10/10 EDC for those wondering and a great video. Always A+ content.
The Secret Service stopped using the 5.7 because of its weak performance. Devastating it is not.
@@johnryan6658 yea not one round. What’s devastating is when there’s 22 other ones in you (through you) before you get 1 round off. But I promise you would still be struggling even if I just hit you one time
@@austinedrington2011
Yeah, yeah, everyone thinks they're John Wick until they're in an actual life of death situation. Let me clue you in. You ain't John Wick. In such a situation, the piss poor penetration will get you killed. Those rounds aren't going through. Hence, the Secret Service stopped using it.
@@austinedrington2011
Yeah, it doesn't work for the Secret Service, but I'm sure it'll work for you.🙄
Excellent, coherent video. Seems like a soft shooter with minimal recoil or muzzle flip. But what about racking the slide? For some seniors with a little arthritis, a difficult slide would be a deal breaker. Any old timers out there have experience? This firearm could be a great home defense tool. Thank you.
Would have been great if you shared with us the manufacturer of the ammo you were using. We can certainly guess but these days there are several companies that make these rounds now...
12 to 18 inches is the standard for a 10% block. There is no standard that I am aware of for a 15% block. This is not to discount the results observed, but we should not say that less than 12 inches doesn't meet the standard in a 15% block as we would expect less penetration to begin with
That is totally the case which is why we state our 15 percent concentration. I will be more careful about that distinction in the future. Thanks for viewing and for the tip. Happy Holidays.
Don't forget that the FBI/IWBA spec is 12 to 18 inches in 10% organic ordnance gelatin and not Clear Ballistics gel. They are not the same thing and don't behave the same way.
@@johnryan6658 The distance between skin and heart or lungs is only about 2" you also need to remember that normal pistol calibers operate with a different mechanism, crushing and punching a plug while 5.7 and rifles are about hydrostatic shock.
@@PineyJustice
Both of which are meaningless if the bullet does reach something vital.
@@johnryan6658 And you certainly don't need 12" to reach something vital.
Just got mines in to day,hence why im here. Cant wait to try it out
I’ve seen a few ballistics gel and body armor test for the 5.7, but it doesn’t shine like it did with that chicken. The chicken test truly show cases how devastating the round is in actual tissue and makes me rethink ballistic gel test. It’s also obvious the lighter grains are optimized for a longer barrel. Imagine a 60-65 grain a max for the pistols. Beyond devastating.
I haven't seen any 60 grain 5.7 anywhere, but I do know of light grain 357sig ammo that gives you the same velocity with more FPE I'll take 357sig over 57 any day of the week
60gr 5.7 rd would have the ballistics of a 5.56 at 500 yards....
There are the subsonic 5-7 rounds
They wouldn't have enough velocity to do much at all.
@@jimbob465
How do you figure that? I seriously doubt that a 60 gr 5.7 round would have even half the velocity of a 5.56 of the same weight.
Based on this, my Ruger57 is an good EDC weapon.
FN is alot better than S&W or the Ruger
@janicejohnson1334 and it costs about 500 more
@@janicejohnson1334SW MP5.7 is better than FN’s, tempo barrel shoots better, better ergonomics, higher capacity, better trigger, lower cost. And opinion wise better looking
Hey Big Fella, you remind me of a USMC Drill Instructor. I really enjoy watching your channel. Do continue! Marcel, in Yuma
Thank you so much for your kind comments and watching our content. We will certainly continue and hope you enjoy the upcoming material. Semper Fi.
Are you planning on making a video on the new 30 super carry pistol caliber? I've thought about buying a pistol chambered in 30 super carry but the ammo is next to impossible to find.
Matt and I certainly are and it will be out within the next few weeks. Stay tuned and be safe.
@@AmmoMart Also, would love to see you cover the .327 Federal Magnum caliber in defensive loads!
It's always interesting hearing "stopping power". back in the late 80's 9mm was considered anemic. Now the 9mm guys make the same claim against the 5.7x28mm. I on-body carry a 43x but carry a Ruger 57 with me in a bag (havent figured out how to comfortably carry on body) In a pistol format there isn't another handgun that has the capabilities of the 5.7 and the "stopping power" is undeniable. Great video!
The intro helped my adhd 👍
Good results from a small caliber
Is this range open to public or your private range? I just purchased the newest FN 57 mrd to add to my collection. Going to put the delta point pro on it that’s sitting in my safe. I already have the Ruger 57. I’m not sure why I bought it but I’ve been wanting one so now I have one. I daily carry a Glock 19 and sometimes a colt defender. I may carry the FN if it doesn’t seem to bulky. I also live really close to Findlay. I go to Buffalo Trading every now and then.
Well the holes put in that meat were probably 10 times bigger than that 5.7 mm bullet so ill have to say the proof is in the chicken lol
awe shoot! lol, no body armor test?
I dunno, as "somewhat" cool the 5.7 cartridge is, I just think it's for a very niche user market.
9mm used to be super niche in the US.
Its slowly becoming 10mm
Correct. The Five seveN in particular is a niche gun, and not all people are FN fans. [Some feel it's unpatriotic to buy non-US weapons, and that is their right. But, it's also the right of those who want to buy FN irrespective of where it is sourced].
In any event, I very much doubt that FN have the capacity to produce in such huge quantities, as they are probably still busy producing half the world's machine guns!
@@dennisleighton2812 9mm is a non-US round and .40 is a US round so I guess it doesn't really matter to some folks or most are hypocrites!
@@smibru Good point! 5.56mm Nato is also an FN-designed round, now I think of it. It seems most/some 9mm weapons are also non-US! So, maybe it shouldn't matter, but it seems it does. Wow. Complicated.
Your accuracy blows goats
In this round bullet weight would have been important info to pass on😮
Help. Would a CMMG 5.7x28 8” barrel with Subsonic ammo (62g) be good Choice for Home Defense base on great Price on the Firearm? Thanks. Gory
good weapon i have m&p 57 which is 22 plus 1 only problem i have with my 5.7 is finding a higher capacity clip and finding ammo that is worth the dollar a round, 5.7 is cheap if bought online in bulk im just not paying 1+for round unless that round is doing 2k feet per second or better which is most 27-36-40 grain rounds do the vmax shoots 1700-1750 out of 5.2 in barrel from rock and ruger but don't quite know best ammo is vanguard, R&R and Elite Ammunition. cheapest round that is best is monumental vo from vanguard which is 36 grain hollow point with the biggest wound channel and deepest penetration traveling at a decent average of 2050-2150 feet per second out of a 4.8 barrel i have 5 inch on m&p 57 so maybe 50 -100 fps and the other 57 pistols are 5.2 inch which is a little better
They're called 5.7 because they cost $5.70 per round ... true story!
That's funny......thanks for viewing!
Dead🤣🤣😅
LOL no kidding
🤣😂🤣😂
A year from now, people won't realize that this statement was a joke. 🤔
Palemtto State Armory has 150 rnds 69.99 less than .50 cents a round.
Not after shipping costs, but yeah cheapest online sales even with shipping cost compared to other sites,🤨.
What kind of slow motion rig did you use
Cool!
Nice
So 5.7 is better then 9mm ?
With the right ammo. The FN SS90/SS190 ammo, FN SS198LF ammo and especially the Elite Ammunition T6B ammo, Elite Ammunition Devestator ammo and Elite Ammunition S4 ammo. The very best is the Elite Ammunition T6B ammo. It will defeat level III+ body armor and has a velocity out of an FN 5.7 handgun at around 2,550 ft./s. to in excess of 2,600 ft./s. in some cases. That is the ammo that I keep in mine and it is definitely worth the money!
Are the wound tracks thick /fat/wide enough for trauma? Or do you suppose this round requires several follow up shots with better placement than say a hotter 9 or .40 round ? If your answer is yes then no it's simply a round that requires military grade ammo to be normal at causing the same effective wound cavities as a standard larger round .
@@U.S.Dept.ofHoeflation Dead is dead...If you think you will brush off being shot with 5.7...Good luck!
The round is overrated and expensive. 9mm is as effective and better at hard barriers, plus it is affordable and widely available. 5.7 will never overtake 9mm in terms of use. It is all hype.
@@sg696 lol all calibers all overrated
Sir ?
The 5.7x28 ss190 round
Will it penetrate body armor
Like lever 3 or 3A ?
Thanks
Not level 3 I don't think, but I've seen videos of it going through level 2 soft vests no problem.
ss190 will absolutely penetrate level 3. It was specifically designed to do so. SS198LF (27gr high velocity lead free... basically LF+P) will penetrate some soft armor.
Elite ammunition makes several rounds that have shown to penetrate level 3 as well. One of them resulted in their getting a bogus raid by the ATF, because apparently our government found it too bothersome to simply buy a box and test it themselves. The round was legal by definition... but they were pressured to change it. The newer variants are pretty much equally impressive, if not more so.
If you're looking for defense against armored assailants, the major ones to avoid are the ss197sr (Hornady polymer tip), ss200 (JHP), ss201 (FMJ standard), and ss195lf (27gr high velocity hollow point).
The green tip or dragon fang rounds does more penetration
Jay at Elite Ammunition is the 5.7 guru and makes the best ammunition.
T6B
@@melissasmess2773 no doubt I have EA ammo different variety
I like my 9mm 147gr hollow points 👉
That ammo sucks. You need the boutique stuff. But reliability isn’t there for that stuff either.
Elite ammo or vanguard outfitters
5.7 is my baby
You can get a 27 grain at save psi pressures at 2800 fps from this pistol. Let’s me know how that works out for you if you get hit. 🤦♂️
If all you people think the 5.7 has no terminal capabilities, let someone practice on you and then let us all know how it turned out. Deal?
Shame he did not use the good ammo from elite ammunition or vanguard outfitters FN is pretty bad
Funny. I just watched a vid with those rounds and accuracy sucked. FN did not.
Killed that chicken dead😂😂😂😂
tumbling roung
Too much hype about caliber. Effectiveness is all about shot placement and control ability. Caliber makes no difference if you cant hit anything with it.
I will never own a 5.7. Inferior to the mainstream cartridges that already exist.
Isn’t that a P90 with a 10” barrel? Comical how many of these content creators don’t include the top of the line defense 5.7 from the various boutique manufacturers like elite ammunition that make rds that truly demonstrate this calibers capabilities but label their videos as “a test of the 57’s defense capabilities “. And a shot out to his friend that I assume wants the world to know his name and that he has a huge gun collection.
I really wanted to like this round, but after research I've come to the conclusion that it's an overpriced centerfire 22 magnum.
Really? Haters everywhere.
Ask the Green Berets who used the 5.7 in Iraq (as they field test many weapons) what they think of the caliber. One friend had fifteen good hits on a Haji to terminate the encounter. Not impressed at all. BTW, many different bullet configurations.
Thanks for viewing and commenting. You bring up a salient point.....chickens are not people and practical field knowledge is crucial. Thanks for sharing that knowledge with our viewers and I hope you continue to share.
@@AmmoMart I appreciate your work. I don't want to be viewed as a smartazz, but the reports were not good. The damage done to the chickens might occur if they were frozen (not saying they were) but at 98.6F, human body temp, as you know, there is less resistance to the bullet, hence a clean hole. I have seen a lot of GSW, there is nothing like a caliber rifle! Thanks again sir.
This smells of total internet fudd lore nonsense.
Not good.
Very interesting! As a complete accident the chickens were thawed, and at outdoor temperature because I try to pick them up on the way to film and they typically sit out for an hour or two while we film the other material. I appreciate your insight for sure and any knowledge related to the actual application of the caliber is priceless. Thanks again and Happy Holidays!
Good video. Appreciate the effort.
It’s still just a .22 caliber bullet moving slower than a rifle. Even the standard issue 5.56 rifles regularly require multiple hits to stop the bad guy. Which is why there is a push to have larger calibers for the military.
That's because a heavier 62gr Armor penetrating bullet is coming out of a 14.5" Barrel which it was never designed to do. It was designed around a 20" Barrel. Even still, the 62gr + M4 is more effective than you give it credit for. The SEALS, Green Berets, Delta all use the 5.56 as their Primary. It domed Osama Bin Laden.
A 55gr 5.56 out of a 20" Barrel (Think M16, or any Rifle) thats nearly 3,500fps. In Vietnam the wounds inflicted by the M16A1 were devastating. Entrance the size of a toothpick, exit, the size of a cantaloupe with other random exits from the round tearing itself apart, creating a half dozen or more wound tracks.
It is because of the Field Reports/Photo/Video of the effectiveness of the Americans Black Rifle, and the 5.56 that the Soviets dropped the large, slow 30 Caliber, 7.62x39 and invested Millions creating a new round, Building Millions of new rifles, Multi Millions of new magazines, accessories etc. This culminates during Vietnam in 1974 as the AK-74 and it's 5.45x39 Projectile still the primary Russian round to this day.
Thank you Eugene Stoner.
Remember that this cartridge was purpose-designed by FN for military use in close-quarters battle (CQB), out of their PDW and handguns chambered for the cartridge. It was also designed to penetrate soft-body armor when using the military-issue round developed by Fabrique National, namely the SS190. The 5.7x28 FN cartridge was designed to deliver similar or superior performance to 9x19mm NATO (9mm Parabellum/Luger), but at less penalty in weight and bulk, allowing soldiers to carry more rounds for the same weight.
In other words, the civilian-legal ammunition for this cartridge is not going to possess the same attributes as the stuff FN makes for special operations, SWAT, etc. use. That said, Speer - who are a widely known and respected firm which has been supplying police departments with ammunition for decades - have just come out with a JHP load for 5.7x28 FN, and if their past products are any indication, it ought to be a good performer.
Your basic point is correct, but just wanted to supply some context that this cartridge was not developed, per se, for civilian use - but for special military operations and personnel.
The basic appeal of something like the 5.7x28 FN for a civilian looking for a capable self-defense handgun and load is that the 5.7 has modest recoil, high magazine capacity and can be shot more-accurately than heavier recoiling cartridges. It may be that the over-penetration risk is less also, compared to other types of handgun ammunition.
The main problem for common folks is that 5.7x28 is expensive compared to more-established cartridges such as 9x19mm or 38 Special or any of the other older designs. And it isn't widely available everywhere at present.
DOWN IN OHIO
SWAG LIKE OHIO
CUZ UR IN OHIO
Stopping power 🤣 literally as much energy as a 380 would have from a 5 inch barrel
Get shot with one, and I bet you won’t be laughing.
@@corvetteman0714 stopping power is such a facade it doesnt exist what does exist is efficiency through hydraulic shock or hydrostatic shock which the 5.7 doesn't do either of (most rounds are under 2000 fps at the muzzle much less through a person) so saying stopping power of the 5.7 is a joke in the sense it's not amazing performance its average for a caliber of its size and energy wound tracks only seem good usually because of tumbling (which is very 2 dimensional) so most people could handle a 5.7 as good as a 380 which isnt a man stopper but it ain't anything yo scoff at
@@corvetteman0714 the laughter isnt saying as it's so puny but more towards that it's overhyped as 5.56 performance in a pistol which is bs
@Disgruntled Simp Mod it doesnt because in order for true hydrostatic shock to occur with the permenant wound cavity it has to travel over 2000 fps as it goes through a target not just on impact
Dead is dead...
Dont review this gun anymore please
It is not legally defendable to carry this round in many jurisdictions, and it is IMMORAL to carry this in any jurisdiction. The goal for any CCW permit holder is to stop the threat with as few shots fired and as little potential danger to innocent bystanders. ANY round designed to defeat body armor will pass through an attacker and put innocent bystanders at risk. Your #1 job is to not hurt innocent bystanders, #2 is to protect yourself. THIS ROUND is great for SWAT or high-speed military that is going up against really bad people with body armor, but it is horrible for anyone else. THIS round prioritizes #2 and sacrifices #1 - which is a total failure. I hate saying anything that could be considered anti-2A because I am a staunch supporter, but 5.7 is not a valid CCW option.
So much misinformation. The 5.7 is a high-speed .22. Civilians do not have access to "SWAT" or "high-speed military" 5.7 ammo. Civilian 5.7 ammo DOES NOT penetrate Level II or Level III body armor.
Lol, wow. Just wow.
This is the most inane, retarded shit I've ever heard about this caliber.
Ok Elmer Fuddstein
Thormann944: you need to back up troop and check your headspace and timing.
Hum... I dunno, sort of meh to me? Great info though. :>0
Until somebody makes a smaller carry version of a 5.7, it will continue to be a fringe, expensive caliber.
The bullet ballistics won't be maintained with a shorter barrel...
Blah blah blah.
What’s up with the weird religious pamphlet you guys put in the ammo you sell
They are probably religious. What does it say?
Our company is grounded in the belief that the 2nd Amendment upholds our right to religious freedom. The pamphlet is meant merely to remind our customers of this idea. Thanks for viewing and God Bless.
Whaaa! I don’t like the pamphlet! Whaa! The calibers not lethal enough! Whaaa! He said something racist that offended me! Whaa! Scary…..
Even the gun crowd has become a woke crowd of soft little entitled babies!
@@JohnnyB21401 you’re the only one who’s triggered and crying about it ya baby!
nice forehead cam dorkus
The most overpriced and overrated round of all times
Good...Leave them all for me.
@@erictrippe2778yep ! Ill take his share!
You do not know squat.
@@greggtrubee9565 and I bet you squat to piss,🤣😂
@@greggtrubee9565
Maybe, but I bet the Secret Service does. They stopped using the 5.7 because of its poor terminal performance.