EVILLLLL!!!!! (Continue down for QnA)... Q1. How is shaking a universe not Universal Level? A: As presented in my video, shaking an object doesn’t equate to power accurately. Unlike in DBS, where Goku and Beerus’ shockwave was stated to be destroying not just the universe but its very space-time, Movie 12 Goku going all out was shaking things within other world but no indication he was borderline collapsing its space-time. Hence why it’s only beyond universal IF and only IF it was Infinite in size. There is no middle ground. Either you agree with the cosmology lore or not, therefore, it downscale or upscale Movie 12 Goku and the Janemba’s power. Q2. Why did you use Alan Guth’s theory to upscale the Other World? A: The size of Other World is still contentious to this day. We just know its big enough to contain the Universe size Heaven, but the main point I wanted to make was that it can be hundreds, millions, to beyond trillions of times bigger than the living universe. Verifying the infinite size statements by the guidebooks and even if that’s not the case, it COULD allow fans to upscale Goku and Gogeta’s feats IF accepted and allowed. Not saying it must be as big as Alan Guth theory’s, as not many will agree with it but that to assume Other World is smaller compared to the living universe is disingenuous. Q3. How do you come up with those calculations? A: I did not come up with those specific calcs, I just added my own extensions to them. SethTheProgrammer and other users on VSBattle Wikia made a simple calculation formula that anyone can use for any franchise when its applicable. Its in the description to further breakdown how I and many others can use it. Q4. What is Nigh-Omnipresence? Does that mean Janemba’s omnipotent? A: No, it just means he’s everywhere but within the confines of a 3D to arguably beyond 5D reality. He’s not omnipotent on some outerversal or boundless logic, I was merely explaining how high he could go for his speed stats when highballing is allowed since I know fans like to really see how far Dragon Ball scaling can go especially for movie villains. Q5. Why do you validate Koyama’s Opinions a lot? A: He’s the screenplay writer and creator of the movie villains. To act as if his intentions when writing the films don’t matter, when he clearly had a lot of limitations that prevent him from being accurate to the anime or manga scaling, especially when Toriyama allowed Koyama and the movie staff complete freedom to come up with whatever scenarios, such as the Bardock Special that Toriyama himself praised, then yes, Koyama’s opinions should be considered not as primary evidence but as secondary evidence to support the idea that Janemba may or may not be universal, or that Janemba’s self-contained scaling doesn’t need to correlate to the anime or past movies. Q6. Why do you validate promo materials when they often overhype things just to sell a product? A: Although true, its ultimately based on preponderance of evidence. Since the franchise itself agree and support the idea of Janemba being an abstract entity or can go beyond dimensions and so on, sure, you could say it’s a highball scaling but to assume there is no evidence to suggest that’s the case, especially when Dragon Ball Heroes views all forms of marketing, games, anime, crossovers, etc, as canon, especially when this video is meant to be a Composite scaling for Janemba, its allowed to be used for these types of topic. Q7. So what are your thoughts on Broly Vs. Janemba? A: Imma be honest, I don’t care. (XD) I’m well aware people don’t like Koyama’s biased opinions towards Broly but I also know people don’t like the overhype of Dragon ball Dimensional cosmology scaling, so one way or another, If I say one side is stronger than the other, I’m still gonna get flagged. The only real intention from me is to provide all the evidence I can find, to give the viewers a chance to come up with your own conclusions, while still acknowledging any contradictions or counterarguments. So if you do think Janemba is stronger than Broly regardless of Koyama’s opinions, that’s fine, I’m just being as informative as possible on info most fans are not aware of. Btw, please don’t be toxic in the comment section. My good friend Stride is just trolling and I’m just sarcastic with how I handle disingenuous DB fans who overly criticize other people’s scaling. My content is all in good fun, so if I get something wrong, no prob, I don’t wish to intentionally spread false info just for my own headcanon. I just hope people get a kick out of my vids.
@@Ethan-wr2os interview from toriyama, not a lot of people are aware of that but buu exists since immemorial times alernating between destruction and hibernation cycles, bibidi found him and gave him a physical form, babidi is also bibidi clone not his son, also buu is the amalgamation of evil thoughts, he's a condensed of pure evil
I'm glad you used the Infinite Zamasu comparison because that's essentially what Janemba has become. He just shows up, causes issues, gets sent to time out until he decides to cause problems in another universe either by his own evil will or by the whims of another evil entity that can get access to him. He is truly the crackhead of all time.
@@thalmoragent9344why didnt they just use zeno from the start with majin buu? He's from beyond the universe so seems appropiate that the kais and gods of destruction should deal with that mess instead of the main cast
@@Eclipse-nm6wf have you thought that maybe you're so in love with dragonball that you're willing to special plead for a show of which the creator doesnt even bother to remember what he did not even by google search? You love the show more then the creator of the show does and if the creator doesnt care to remember then neither should you. If you want to be yandere so much for something that doesnt even notices you then i'm single as a pringle. Get in my bushes so i can ignore for a week and then get scared when i relax in my garden
Whoever’s reading this comment , you’re eternally worthy of having superpowers like Janemba’s power , because you’re power level is OVER NINE THOUSAND , thanks for existing
thank you. im homeless and this content is all i have to feel any familiarity or comfort. you have no idea what that comment means to me bro. just gave me a lil more energy to keep pushin. thanks for that. i been on my own since graduating high school and its crazy how calm that shit made me.
One thing for sure, if Jamemba was accurately depicted to be an incarnation of Evil itself he would be a primordial force that only the grand priest or Zeno can defeat.
@@mohamedkhider6998 yes, it was mentioned by king yenma in the movie (it's because of Janemba reality warping power + sealing King yenma in a soul barrier [the jellybeans thingy that encasing the checkout])
Janemba is so under appreciated!!!! I absolutely love his design the fact that he’s just evil and damn that SSJ3 transformation is the best ever!!!! Has always been my favorite movie!
I like to believe that any form and appearance of janemba is still him and every appearance of him is canon to him (such as SDBH) because it was stated that janemba can appear anywhere that has evil energy and can warp that reality. With this logic he should be able to be in any verse
@@theJplease yeah but their just normal human level so you can take them on, it's not like dying is possible for ghost so you can always comeback for round 2 and beat the shit out of them
These videos are incredible! I can definitely tell you put a lot of work into something like this with all the content you have to review. I do have a question though. Will you be making a video on Hatchiyack?
Can't you argue that Heroes has some degree of fictional transcendence? I've heard people argue that since characters were stated to be able to destroy the real world, this is the case. If not I guess DB 4D is still the strongest iteration of Dragon Ball.
Oh Don't worry.....There is a reason why I'm intentionally doing Broly last. ALLL those specific topics will need to be handled properly. Until then, my videos are more so establishing consistency in narrative scaling for general fans. You can definitely argue they can go that far when you REALLY hype up heroes scaling but it doesn't really influence the overall rest of the video. Keep out for Broly when I talk about that can of worms.
BEFORE I watch the video, I just want you guys to know that this guy can warp reality, manipulate matter, bankai teleport, regenerate, clone, and his sword can cut through small dimensions (universes) he's arguably stronger than Buuhan.
Cut through small dimensions fr? Also i genuinely believe jenamba with his skillsets and how quickly he adapts to his opponent is equal or even stronger than buuhan
in this movie goes says something along the lines of (to 1st form janemba) you should be proud.. only majin buu has pushed me this far (as goku goes ssj3) ive always assumed the movie was after goku's time ran out after going ssj3 for goten and trunks. then in the anime when goku and vegeta come back to fight buutenks and buuhan vegeta talks about already seeing goku go ssj3 in the afterlife.... remember piccolo told vegeta he wouldn't be able to keep his body in the afterlife....
Janemba cannot be defeated by UA-cam comments because UA-cam will just block all the negative comments. man, this entire thing with everyone involved in any medium claiming who is the strongest, makes me feel like 'fug it, General Rildo is the strongest Dragon Ball character'.
It is the incarnation of the concept and idea of evil, wouldn’t he be omnipresent? Because evil in dragon exist as a overall energy and not just a emotion
This was an pretty interesting video of the power structure of Janemba, it was nice to get the info from your perspective on how or to where Janemba scales, I’ve always found Janemba an really interesting movie villain that can reach to insane heights in power for the most part.
Damn, there's so many underrated YTrs with amazing videos, and you take the cake man, you should gain more traction with your constant amazing videos soon! Keep going man, we believe in you!
I know the vids about Janemba, but even in Dragon Ball Hero’s, Dabura gets jumped by Buu and Absorbed once again, let my Boy do something other then get absorbed constantly by the same fat Piece of Bubblegum, even Janemba got the Dabura Treatment.
Something else that debunks the “all movies take place in one timeline” belief is that Fusion Reborn references the Namek Saga yet it has villains from World’s Strongest which references Piccolo’s sacrifice yet he’s alive and Tree of Might which has all the Z Fighters alive on Earth. (No reason to go to Namek) Also Tree of Might and Lord Slug take place when the Namek Saga would’ve occurred.
I think people who always go for a *"hyperbole"* argument are kind of weasels. 1. how are they going to say it's hyperbole every single instance it happens? 2. They don't know if the English definition of "X word" is fully interchangeable with the Japanese version. I feel like if you argue it's "hyperbole" then it's your job to make sure that there's a definable hyperbole interpretation in both languages, otherwise it's just *_COPE_* and denial.
Those aren't easter eggs tho they are literally the characters and they belong there. Are those versions the exact same as the other versions debatable they could be stronger and faster than the versions we know even but saying we can't scale the movies together at all is disingenuous imo. Because certain movies are shown and implied to happen to the others like the cooler movies and the broly movies so some type of canon is there and they are applicable even to gt in many instances.
In my head canon i always saw movie 12 as an alternative universe where ultimate gohan defeated buu. Would explain why vegeta is still dead and he was revived at that point and elder kai never gave his life to goku for him to come back to earth to fuse witn Gohan so he would still be dead. I think in that movie's timeline Super Buu was defeated by gohan before he could abosrb gotenks and piccolo and eventually gohan himself
Iv always thought dudes probably even stronger then Buuhan fr maybe even the Vegito back in the but saga. always though the movie must have taken place a few years after the buu saga and for whatever reason Goku and vegeta were dead lol
Super’s bringing back ‘90 movies concepts into the canonic manga. We now have 2 legendary canonic Sayans, we got our new canonic Goku-like villain in black Goku, a new Super Nameccian in Universe 6 folks and in Super Piccolo and many others. Even Gogeta is now Manga Canonic with the latest chapters. I hope Dragonball will bring back the Janemba concepts as well since it was one the most beloved Movie Villains among fans!
I really want janemba to be the final boss of dragon ball super Like he is literally the satan of dragon ball but like ×100 someone like totally out of all the universes capabilities
Goku saying there's no time in the other world is such bullshit. The whole point of the Sayin saga is that Goku's on a time limit and needs to train with King Kai before the sayins get to Earth. When the Nappa fight was happening, King Kai said they took too long training, and Goku needs to hurry. How could they too long anything if no time is flowing? Goku probably thought there was no time cause he couldn't see anywhere, so it must be gone.
What I find hugely terrifying is that a universal threat like Janemba was unleashed because of an easily avoidable accident. Janemba was not summoned via some ritual or created by a mad scientist, but because a dude bro employee was slacking off and being reckless. That's insane.
The bruce lee vs baragon and baby gamera and fusion reborn cameos thing are false equivalences due to context. The former is two random fighters fighting each other for sport that happen to resemble the people and things they were based upon. Baby Gamera is a turtle that just looks like what it was based on. They are legally distinct enough to be their own people but familiar enough for folks to get the reference. Fusion reborn has a bunch of cameos of established dbz characters that exist within the universe of dragon ball itself showing up in the background to seize gohan. They aren't randos that happen to look like the characters. The whole subplot of the movie is people coming back from the dead.
The video started out interesting - comparing movies, citing Koyama, etc., but once you got to the "math", you totally lost me. That's a bit too OCD for a video on a cartoon 😂
The films should be in a separate timeline that scales in some way to the original anime. But there's still some time between each arc that could allow the films to happen. At least with Jenemba. Maybe not the other films
i think janemba should be one of the final villains in the dbz series, being that he is the incarnation of evil and hell itself it just only makes sense
And here I was thinking that Cooler’s Dragon Ball Heroes segment went too far. Janemba’s a beast, lmao. I’m normally not all that fond of villain characters who are unintelligible, but Janemba’s abilities and fighting style do more than win me over. Great video!
the more I watch your videos the more I wonder if you're so smart and good in math, why tf would you make dragon ball videos and not work for good amount money?
If you heard of drip sauce or middletrack, you might wanna back up your beliefs on Dragon Ball cosmology . Because they view the verse on a higher meta level scale not just 5D.
Fusion Reborn Movie Super Jenemba Attack Potency Low-Ball:- Above Boundless Mid-Ball:- Above Boundless with Multiple Layers High-Ball:- Above Boundless with Infinity Layers. Reason:- Super Saiyan transformation is Immeasurable, Irrelevant Speed and transcends Math stated by Akira Toriyama himself later Transcends Math means automatically beyond Tiering System( boundless is under Tiering System) cuz Tiering System is a part of Math. And Super Jenemba one shot Super Saiyan 3 Goku. Speed Low-Ball Comparison:- Irrelevant Speed. Mid-Ball Comparison:- Irrelevant Speed High-Ball comparison:- Irrelevant Speed.
When Goku "shakes the universe" it's simply a screenwriter's device for making him look strong and cool. I think analyzing it with facts and figures is pedantic and kind of misses the whole point
I would have loved if they had a Janemba arc in db-super right after the Zamasu arc. He going after trunks for traveling threw Dimensions. And giving janemba a better story like did with Broly
I wanna see Janemba bully the group to a point where maybe even Beerus is a little nervous and forces goku and vegeta to fuse. But janemba needs to be one of the next enemies besides cooler
Janemba should realistically be nigh-omnipotent or at the very least a multiversal reality warper but he is by far the single dumbest big bad in DB. Even more stupid than Kid Buu. If he used his powers correctly and knew the full extent of what he was capable of there was no way in hell he was losing to anyone in DBZ at that point. He actually has a more impressive feat than Zamasu as he was warping hell, the mortal universe, the Kai realm and everything in between just by existing.
Janemba is Buu without the nonsense and on an entirely other level and I love it. No getting pulled around by the main cast and their schemes to stall for time and no pride to get in his way. He's pure unadulterated evil
So I kinda take it like at 8:07-8:30 to be like that scene at the end of the movie Men in Black 2 I believe it was, when Tommy Lee Jones opens a locker door for Will Smith and the see into a lobby with being walking around that look giant to them and they look small to the being behind the locker door. Somewhere in that space is another door that opens up to the same thing, over, and over, and over infinitely.
i wouldn't be surprised if Janemba ended up being one of the old movie villains to gain a canon adaptation within Super,dude has everything going for him AND could be used for Buu to become relevant (since the guy tends to be put with Buu lots)
Well he easily showed that he overpowered Super Sayian 3 Goku with ease so it to take him and Vegeta both being Gogeta , and Jamneba wasn't no where near his level Gogeta decimated him very quickly in no time , so there you go
EVILLLLL!!!!!
(Continue down for QnA)...
Q1. How is shaking a universe not Universal Level?
A: As presented in my video, shaking an object doesn’t equate to power accurately. Unlike in DBS, where Goku and Beerus’ shockwave was stated to be destroying not just the universe but its very space-time, Movie 12 Goku going all out was shaking things within other world but no indication he was borderline collapsing its space-time. Hence why it’s only beyond universal IF and only IF it was Infinite in size. There is no middle ground. Either you agree with the cosmology lore or not, therefore, it downscale or upscale Movie 12 Goku and the Janemba’s power.
Q2. Why did you use Alan Guth’s theory to upscale the Other World?
A: The size of Other World is still contentious to this day. We just know its big enough to contain the Universe size Heaven, but the main point I wanted to make was that it can be hundreds, millions, to beyond trillions of times bigger than the living universe. Verifying the infinite size statements by the guidebooks and even if that’s not the case, it COULD allow fans to upscale Goku and Gogeta’s feats IF accepted and allowed. Not saying it must be as big as Alan Guth theory’s, as not many will agree with it but that to assume Other World is smaller compared to the living universe is disingenuous.
Q3. How do you come up with those calculations?
A: I did not come up with those specific calcs, I just added my own extensions to them. SethTheProgrammer and other users on VSBattle Wikia made a simple calculation formula that anyone can use for any franchise when its applicable. Its in the description to further breakdown how I and many others can use it.
Q4. What is Nigh-Omnipresence? Does that mean Janemba’s omnipotent?
A: No, it just means he’s everywhere but within the confines of a 3D to arguably beyond 5D reality. He’s not omnipotent on some outerversal or boundless logic, I was merely explaining how high he could go for his speed stats when highballing is allowed since I know fans like to really see how far Dragon Ball scaling can go especially for movie villains.
Q5. Why do you validate Koyama’s Opinions a lot?
A: He’s the screenplay writer and creator of the movie villains. To act as if his intentions when writing the films don’t matter, when he clearly had a lot of limitations that prevent him from being accurate to the anime or manga scaling, especially when Toriyama allowed Koyama and the movie staff complete freedom to come up with whatever scenarios, such as the Bardock Special that Toriyama himself praised, then yes, Koyama’s opinions should be considered not as primary evidence but as secondary evidence to support the idea that Janemba may or may not be universal, or that Janemba’s self-contained scaling doesn’t need to correlate to the anime or past movies.
Q6. Why do you validate promo materials when they often overhype things just to sell a product?
A: Although true, its ultimately based on preponderance of evidence. Since the franchise itself agree and support the idea of Janemba being an abstract entity or can go beyond dimensions and so on, sure, you could say it’s a highball scaling but to assume there is no evidence to suggest that’s the case, especially when Dragon Ball Heroes views all forms of marketing, games, anime, crossovers, etc, as canon, especially when this video is meant to be a Composite scaling for Janemba, its allowed to be used for these types of topic.
Q7. So what are your thoughts on Broly Vs. Janemba?
A: Imma be honest, I don’t care. (XD) I’m well aware people don’t like Koyama’s biased opinions towards Broly but I also know people don’t like the overhype of Dragon ball Dimensional cosmology scaling, so one way or another, If I say one side is stronger than the other, I’m still gonna get flagged. The only real intention from me is to provide all the evidence I can find, to give the viewers a chance to come up with your own conclusions, while still acknowledging any contradictions or counterarguments. So if you do think Janemba is stronger than Broly regardless of Koyama’s opinions, that’s fine, I’m just being as informative as possible on info most fans are not aware of.
Btw, please don’t be toxic in the comment section. My good friend Stride is just trolling and I’m just sarcastic with how I handle disingenuous DB fans who overly criticize other people’s scaling. My content is all in good fun, so if I get something wrong, no prob, I don’t wish to intentionally spread false info just for my own headcanon. I just hope people get a kick out of my vids.
you're truly peak scaler i always look fowrd to your vids they make my day
Do how powerful is xeno goku
@@kennyflores7629 it's pretty easy to understand and doesn't really require an entire video
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Please, make video about Goku from Dragonball evolution
Janemba, is just on another level. Janemba is what I imagine Bibidi was trying to replicate when he first created Buu
Bibidi found buu and gave him a physical form, he never created him
@@AbyssalBlue24 He created him, where are you getting the notion that he "found" Buu?
@@Ethan-wr2os interview from toriyama, not a lot of people are aware of that but buu exists since immemorial times alernating between destruction and hibernation cycles, bibidi found him and gave him a physical form, babidi is also bibidi clone not his son, also buu is the amalgamation of evil thoughts, he's a condensed of pure evil
@@AbyssalBlue24 Interesting lore right, is there another Buu type creature in the other universes. What do you think?
@@TimmyJim well not that i'm aware of but he said there's probably someone who replaced dabra as the demon king in the makai
I'm glad you used the Infinite Zamasu comparison because that's essentially what Janemba has become. He just shows up, causes issues, gets sent to time out until he decides to cause problems in another universe either by his own evil will or by the whims of another evil entity that can get access to him. He is truly the crackhead of all time.
Well, Zamasu was eventually erased, so I guess that means Zeno has to deal with this one 😅
@@thalmoragent9344why didnt they just use zeno from the start with majin buu? He's from beyond the universe so seems appropiate that the kais and gods of destruction should deal with that mess instead of the main cast
@@youtubestudiosucks978They didn’t know Zeno at the time and beerus was asleep
@@Eclipse-nm6wf have you thought that maybe you're so in love with dragonball that you're willing to special plead for a show of which the creator doesnt even bother to remember what he did not even by google search?
You love the show more then the creator of the show does and if the creator doesnt care to remember then neither should you.
If you want to be yandere so much for something that doesnt even notices you then i'm single as a pringle. Get in my bushes so i can ignore for a week and then get scared when i relax in my garden
@youtubestudiosucks978
Dude what was that hostile ass response for?
Whoever’s reading this comment , you’re eternally worthy of having superpowers like Janemba’s power , because you’re power level is OVER NINE THOUSAND , thanks for existing
Right back at ya. Thank you superstar. 😁
@@colormegeeky Your welcome
@@colormegeeky Thanks
Same to you brother 💯💯🤜🏾🤛🏾
thank you. im homeless and this content is all i have to feel any familiarity or comfort. you have no idea what that comment means to me bro. just gave me a lil more energy to keep pushin. thanks for that. i been on my own since graduating high school and its crazy how calm that shit made me.
One thing for sure, if Jamemba was accurately depicted to be an incarnation of Evil itself he would be a primordial force that only the grand priest or Zeno can defeat.
You been watchin DB Hakai lol
@@Shayster-_- Don't know what that is but it sounds metal
@@ten-thousandbees8453Same. Where can I find that?
@@ten-thousandbees8453
I dunno, wouldn't he be on part with an Angel? As a demon? But, he wouldn't be the only one, surely.
@BlusterTheBenevolent it's a fanmade dragonball manga where goku is a god of destruction.
Friendly reminder that this dude broke the seal that separated the living world and the dead just by EXISTING.
Wait did he?
@@mohamedkhider6998 yes, it was mentioned by king yenma in the movie (it's because of Janemba reality warping power + sealing King yenma in a soul barrier [the jellybeans thingy that encasing the checkout])
Janemba is so under appreciated!!!! I absolutely love his design the fact that he’s just evil and damn that SSJ3 transformation is the best ever!!!! Has always been my favorite movie!
He isn't just evil, he is Evil itself.
Aweee yisss
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I like to believe that any form and appearance of janemba is still him and every appearance of him is canon to him (such as SDBH) because it was stated that janemba can appear anywhere that has evil energy and can warp that reality. With this logic he should be able to be in any verse
Imagine Janemba coming to the real world and causing havoc on our reality.
@@adeleinetheartist8267 That world be crazy💀 especially is he merged us with hell oooh what da heeeeeell💀
@@theJpleasecan’t have shit in Detroit
@@theJplease yeah but their just normal human level so you can take them on, it's not like dying is possible for ghost so you can always comeback for round 2 and beat the shit out of them
So basically Janemba is a Multiversal Singularity like Unicron
Honestly I love that idea
Janemba is a literal manifestation of the idea of evil.
@JohnM80915 Are you a Berserk fan?
@@adeleinetheartist8267are you s DragonBall fan?
@@Svnfold yeah whats up
@@Svnfold No.
These videos are incredible! I can definitely tell you put a lot of work into something like this with all the content you have to review. I do have a question though. Will you be making a video on Hatchiyack?
very likely but probably after my movie villain marathon.
1. Fat janemba (DBZ): multi galazy level
2. Super janemba: low universal level
3. Super janemba (dark dragon ball): low multiversal level
4. Dark janemba (SDBH): low complex multiversal (6D)
Can't you argue that Heroes has some degree of fictional transcendence? I've heard people argue that since characters were stated to be able to destroy the real world, this is the case. If not I guess DB 4D is still the strongest iteration of Dragon Ball.
Oh Don't worry.....There is a reason why I'm intentionally doing Broly last. ALLL those specific topics will need to be handled properly. Until then, my videos are more so establishing consistency in narrative scaling for general fans. You can definitely argue they can go that far when you REALLY hype up heroes scaling but it doesn't really influence the overall rest of the video. Keep out for Broly when I talk about that can of worms.
Dragon ball even in the main continuity is FAR beyond 4D, there’s so much you don’t know yet man where do I start
@abhaypatel605 they know they just can't accept it just want to downplay
Let’s be honest, people would pay to watch Godzilla blast Beerus away.
It would be fun for beerus
Janemba is that fucking guy. Fav dbz villain ever, rewatched fusion reborn and he was just made off violence
BEFORE I watch the video, I just want you guys to know that this guy can warp reality, manipulate matter, bankai teleport, regenerate, clone, and his sword can cut through small dimensions (universes) he's arguably stronger than Buuhan.
Cut through small dimensions fr?
Also i genuinely believe jenamba with his skillsets and how quickly he adapts to his opponent is equal or even stronger than buuhan
the way people try to make sense out of DBZ is so fuckin funny. toriyama didnt plan for ANY of this at all. so cringe lmao
good video anyway. good editing
Man you really deserve more subs, your style and thouroughness is great
Numbers you need to do more of these, definitely one of the most underrated content creators
in this movie goes says something along the lines of (to 1st form janemba) you should be proud.. only majin buu has pushed me this far (as goku goes ssj3) ive always assumed the movie was after goku's time ran out after going ssj3 for goten and trunks.
then in the anime when goku and vegeta come back to fight buutenks and buuhan vegeta talks about already seeing goku go ssj3 in the afterlife.... remember piccolo told vegeta he wouldn't be able to keep his body in the afterlife....
Janemba cannot be defeated by UA-cam comments because UA-cam will just block all the negative comments.
man, this entire thing with everyone involved in any medium claiming who is the strongest, makes me feel like 'fug it, General Rildo is the strongest Dragon Ball character'.
A character that can shake a universal realm being multi solar system 🤢🤮what a downplay
It is the incarnation of the concept and idea of evil, wouldn’t he be omnipresent? Because evil in dragon exist as a overall energy and not just a emotion
Simply immaculate.
This was an pretty interesting video of the power structure of Janemba, it was nice to get the info from your perspective on how or to where Janemba scales, I’ve always found Janemba an really interesting movie villain that can reach to insane heights in power for the most part.
Could you please do one of these for Z Broly?
Damn, there's so many underrated YTrs with amazing videos, and you take the cake man, you should gain more traction with your constant amazing videos soon!
Keep going man, we believe in you!
I know the vids about Janemba, but even in Dragon Ball Hero’s, Dabura gets jumped by Buu and Absorbed once again, let my Boy do something other then get absorbed constantly by the same fat Piece of Bubblegum, even Janemba got the Dabura Treatment.
Something else that debunks the “all movies take place in one timeline” belief is that Fusion Reborn references the Namek Saga yet it has villains from World’s Strongest which references Piccolo’s sacrifice yet he’s alive and Tree of Might which has all the Z Fighters alive on Earth. (No reason to go to Namek) Also Tree of Might and Lord Slug take place when the Namek Saga would’ve occurred.
I love Janemba's design. I wish he had more personality on his second form.
This sunny guy really hates your guts.
Because I dont respect frauds.
Are you going to do an analysis on how powerful Dabura is?.
I think people who always go for a *"hyperbole"* argument are kind of weasels. 1. how are they going to say it's hyperbole every single instance it happens? 2. They don't know if the English definition of "X word" is fully interchangeable with the Japanese version. I feel like if you argue it's "hyperbole" then it's your job to make sure that there's a definable hyperbole interpretation in both languages, otherwise it's just *_COPE_* and denial.
Those aren't easter eggs tho they are literally the characters and they belong there. Are those versions the exact same as the other versions debatable they could be stronger and faster than the versions we know even but saying we can't scale the movies together at all is disingenuous imo. Because certain movies are shown and implied to happen to the others like the cooler movies and the broly movies so some type of canon is there and they are applicable even to gt in many instances.
In my head canon i always saw movie 12 as an alternative universe where ultimate gohan defeated buu. Would explain why vegeta is still dead and he was revived at that point and elder kai never gave his life to goku for him to come back to earth to fuse witn Gohan so he would still be dead. I think in that movie's timeline Super Buu was defeated by gohan before he could abosrb gotenks and piccolo and eventually gohan himself
Bro your intros are broken...by broken i mean ABSOLUTELY OP... they're DOPE AF!!!
Why is pretty much evil incarnate weak to petty insults? if anything that should empower Janemba.
Such a Good Video bro! And you just know some people will still have a problem with it.
A video scaling Good/Fat Buu would be interesting
How strong even is godzilla anyway??
Iv always thought dudes probably even stronger then Buuhan fr maybe even the Vegito back in the but saga. always though the movie must have taken place a few years after the buu saga and for whatever reason Goku and vegeta were dead lol
This freaking intro... this is the coolest sh*t alive!!!
Super’s bringing back ‘90 movies concepts into the canonic manga. We now have 2 legendary canonic Sayans, we got our new canonic Goku-like villain in black Goku, a new Super Nameccian in Universe 6 folks and in Super Piccolo and many others. Even Gogeta is now Manga Canonic with the latest chapters.
I hope Dragonball will bring back the Janemba concepts as well since it was one the most beloved Movie Villains among fans!
I really want janemba to be the final boss of dragon ball super
Like he is literally the satan of dragon ball but like ×100 someone like totally out of all the universes capabilities
Dragonball was so great back in the days, but man, did they drop the ball. Inconsistent power lvls. Too many transformations. No new ideas.
Goku saying there's no time in the other world is such bullshit. The whole point of the Sayin saga is that Goku's on a time limit and needs to train with King Kai before the sayins get to Earth. When the Nappa fight was happening, King Kai said they took too long training, and Goku needs to hurry. How could they too long anything if no time is flowing? Goku probably thought there was no time cause he couldn't see anywhere, so it must be gone.
After all of this, I've just come to the conclusion that because no Movie Characters scale to each other, Meta Cooler just blitzes Broly & Janemba.
What I find hugely terrifying is that a universal threat like Janemba was unleashed because of an easily avoidable accident. Janemba was not summoned via some ritual or created by a mad scientist, but because a dude bro employee was slacking off and being reckless. That's insane.
The bruce lee vs baragon and baby gamera and fusion reborn cameos thing are false equivalences due to context.
The former is two random fighters fighting each other for sport that happen to resemble the people and things they were based upon.
Baby Gamera is a turtle that just looks like what it was based on.
They are legally distinct enough to be their own people but familiar enough for folks to get the reference.
Fusion reborn has a bunch of cameos of established dbz characters that exist within the universe of dragon ball itself showing up in the background to seize gohan. They aren't randos that happen to look like the characters. The whole subplot of the movie is people coming back from the dead.
2st excluding the creator
I just love Dragon Ball!!🤯🤯🤯
Don’t we all
The video started out interesting - comparing movies, citing Koyama, etc., but once you got to the "math", you totally lost me. That's a bit too OCD for a video on a cartoon 😂
Wait so social media can harm Janemba?
I'd put him between Super Buu and Buu Gotenks absorbed, most probably closer to the latter.
The films should be in a separate timeline that scales in some way to the original anime. But there's still some time between each arc that could allow the films to happen. At least with Jenemba. Maybe not the other films
i think janemba should be one of the final villains in the dbz series, being that he is the incarnation of evil and hell itself it just only makes sense
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Imo I say Fusion Reborn is the timeline where Majin Vegeta's sacrifice was able to kill Majin Buu.
It's so weird talking about the movies when every authority on them contradict each other to some degree
This totally sucks. Why? Cause the pathetic good guys always win.
And here I was thinking that Cooler’s Dragon Ball Heroes segment went too far. Janemba’s a beast, lmao.
I’m normally not all that fond of villain characters who are unintelligible, but Janemba’s abilities and fighting style do more than win me over. Great video!
I can’t believe I’m hearing about cosmic infiltration in a video about Janemba
People really think ssj1 Goku from ROF beats janemba
Maybe Monkey D Luffy Solos tho 😂 Best Part
the more I watch your videos the more I wonder if you're so smart and good in math, why tf would you make dragon ball videos and not work for good amount money?
he can get paid in yt+it his own decision
The bojack lowball is horrendous
Song at 22:10
If you heard of drip sauce or middletrack, you might wanna back up your beliefs on Dragon Ball cosmology . Because they view the verse on a higher meta level scale not just 5D.
I like middletrack but not drip sauce considering drip thinks that dragon ball has the most powerful cosmology which is not the case at all.
Fusion Reborn Movie Super Jenemba
Attack Potency
Low-Ball:- Above Boundless
Mid-Ball:- Above Boundless with Multiple Layers
High-Ball:- Above Boundless with Infinity Layers.
Reason:- Super Saiyan transformation is Immeasurable, Irrelevant Speed and transcends Math stated by Akira Toriyama himself later
Transcends Math means automatically beyond Tiering System( boundless is under Tiering System) cuz Tiering System is a part of Math.
And Super Jenemba one shot Super Saiyan 3 Goku.
Speed
Low-Ball Comparison:- Irrelevant Speed.
Mid-Ball Comparison:- Irrelevant Speed
High-Ball comparison:- Irrelevant Speed.
This is a very high ball
Anyone else here from DBM?
Ehehehaha
😂😂
Janemba creat another demansion
When Goku "shakes the universe" it's simply a screenwriter's device for making him look strong and cool. I think analyzing it with facts and figures is pedantic and kind of misses the whole point
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I think it being Pedantic is the point, this is a power scaling video.
Keep it up. The algorithm is doing its job now you're going to blow up soon
Glad I found your channel. You're mad under-rated bro, keep up the good content! 💯
I would have loved if they had a Janemba arc in db-super right after the Zamasu arc. He going after trunks for traveling threw Dimensions. And giving janemba a better story like did with Broly
For his next appearance, Janemba should get bullied by Vegito
I wanna see Janemba bully the group to a point where maybe even Beerus is a little nervous and forces goku and vegeta to fuse. But janemba needs to be one of the next enemies besides cooler
using real word math and science to explain how strong gokus ssj3 is was so fuckin cringe jeezus
Ur so corny bruh 😭
You Spicy pepper 📉
Janemba is kinda cute
The yellow form, or the red form? I can agree on the yellow form.
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He's handsome
0:27 one Gogeta
Saiyanenigma music whooo
Janemba should realistically be nigh-omnipotent or at the very least a multiversal reality warper but he is by far the single dumbest big bad in DB. Even more stupid than Kid Buu. If he used his powers correctly and knew the full extent of what he was capable of there was no way in hell he was losing to anyone in DBZ at that point. He actually has a more impressive feat than Zamasu as he was warping hell, the mortal universe, the Kai realm and everything in between just by existing.
Someone get Janemba in Breakers. Will be a nice change of pace after Zamasu's sermons that last the entire match.
Janemba is Buu without the nonsense and on an entirely other level and I love it. No getting pulled around by the main cast and their schemes to stall for time and no pride to get in his way. He's pure unadulterated evil
So I kinda take it like at 8:07-8:30 to be like that scene at the end of the movie Men in Black 2 I believe it was, when Tommy Lee Jones opens a locker door for Will Smith and the see into a lobby with being walking around that look giant to them and they look small to the being behind the locker door. Somewhere in that space is another door that opens up to the same thing, over, and over, and over infinitely.
i wouldn't be surprised if Janemba ended up being one of the old movie villains to gain a canon adaptation within Super,dude has everything going for him AND could be used for Buu to become relevant (since the guy tends to be put with Buu lots)
Great Video !
You brought up so many details from guidebook, video games etc…
Well done, mate !
“Toeiama”
This is pretty good scaling right here nothing to high and nothing to low im subscribing!👌
Well he easily showed that he overpowered Super Sayian 3 Goku with ease so it to take him and Vegeta both being Gogeta , and Jamneba wasn't no where near his level Gogeta decimated him very quickly in no time , so there you go
Of course, still a Lord Luud Victim, Sadly, 👨🏻🦳
Great video!
Wow.
I know the strongest goku is from a Japan movie that was beyend fictional i think i am surprised jamemba is this powerful 🙈
Bro wouldn’t survive a Cod lobby he’s weak adf
It’s Always Fun when one of these Drop. Incredible Video, can’t wait for the Weirder Villains like Hirudegarn and Hatchiyack.
great video
I swear it is
Janempa = Fat baby
Janemba = humanoid
This was a fantastic video, I'm looking forward to seeing where you'd put Lord Slug at
i think janemba hidden hes real power he didn't use it all