Saiyans. The DNA of the Soul….. (Continue down for QnA) Q1. What’s the deal with you scaling Turles to the Tree of Might? That’s like trying to scale King Piccolo to the Rice cooker he was sealed in. Numbs, you dummy. A: First, the rice cooker is Hax-based, not power based. Without its seal, anyone as strong as King Piccolo or Zamasu can easily break out of it. Second, the film barely has any feats worth talking about to scale Turles. Since his lore is speculative, I wanted to rely on concrete feats rather than on headcanon/assumptions that people will likely not agree on. As such, the Tree was an essential aspect of his film and overall character, I had to make do with what was presented, even if fans may believe his overall scaling is underwhelming. At this point, if you’ve seen my previous videos, this is nothing new. So As I said, don’t take it too personally, I just wish to give a new insight into his feats rather than simply saying “he’s strong.” Q2. Numbs, you forgot his appearance in [insert media here] you dummy NPC! lol A: I’m aware Turles appears in Extreme Butoden and other DBH spin-offs, but I had to remove them because it made the video unnecessarily bloated, as I like to at least have the points I bring up be relevant to his overall power. So sorry to the two people who wanted me to mention him being referenced in shin budokai but it doesn’t change my overall findings and conclusions. The only thing I was going to include that was removed from my final script was trying to connect turles relation with Bardock in the games to the anime special, as potential evidence its canon to movie 3 but otherwise, you’re not missing much else in terms of context. Q3. Are the guidebooks valid to scale Turles? A: The answer is yes. Not that is not to say it’s always 100% accurate. Not duh it’s not all the time. However, Since Turles’ backstory is vague, the scans and guides help paint a picture not just regarding Turles’ power and his overall personality. That is why I brought up the tree of might because technically, it is an external power and without it, Turles’ growth stagnates. That is why I wanted to emphasize his character growth in this video because Turles is not naturally strong but if you allow him to become powerful through his external sources, it’s more in character to do so and jump to levels he normally cannot reach. That is why if you ever wanted to know why he has yet to achieve ssj1, 3, god, blue, whatever, it’s because he’s not like Goku who trains. He cheats his way to the top and why he loves his fruit. Q4: Isn’t the Bardock Special canon to Movie 3? A: Maybe. That’s up to you to decide. Since I didn’t want to make an objective claim that it MUST be canon to movie 3, I simply argued how it COULD be possible without contradicting Koyama or Toriyama’s statements, while still being in its own movie dimension and therefore its own scaling. Not everyone will agree it is because of production dates, etc, but I want to at least give both sides a fair chance and argue from feats and lore perspectives. Q5: Why did you bring up his power levels if it has no correlation to the anime power levels? A: People like to make up their own fan-made power levels for characters not given official numbers. I thought it would be a neat extra inclusion in relation to Turles’ power and talk about how strong he could have been as a low-class Saiyan since people rarely mention his great ape form. Plus, if you want to somehow connect him to anime scaling, Turles being above the phantom Saiyans can be a potential method to rely on but that’s only if you think it’s valid. Also, yes, I know, the video is long…I talk too much….Shut up. I can’t help it. XD
I think the concept that Turles couldn't have destroyed the planet (due to not being able to destroy the tree) is pretty interesting because I think it's stated in a guide (at least El Manga Legndario/Le Manga de Legend) that it takes a PL of 10,000 to do so. Even without that his PL still would've been higher than the Vegeta that threatened to destroy the planet with his Galick Gun. Him blocking the SBC point blank was impressive considering how well that move punches above its weight class. Well, unless you think he was just tougher than his PL would imply like Goku said about Nappa being unphased by his blast above (that should've been above his) PL when someone like Raditz took damage from a child with a PL that should've lower than (or on par with) his. But of course, these movies are made knowing there'll be inconsitencies with other films and the main continuity (despite being of a similar timeline) so I just go with Koyoma's "stronger than the last villain Goku faced" statement when it comes to Turles.
Turles was a whole demon. He's like Raditz but could just shit on the Kaioken multipliers. He was THAT dude after eating Tree of Might fruits (interesting concept too)
Turles is the original Goku Black, he's quite cool honestly. I have always wanted to see a Kakarot in frieza armor. Really cool character even though he's quite bland!
Turles is underrated imo. He has a character, you just have to look for it. He's a low-class Saiyan that, due to likely spending most of his time on the far fringes of Frieza space never spent much time around other saiyans and as such never really learned what it meant to be a "true saiyan", likely gained his "true saiyan is evil" mindset from survivors of saiyan attacks. He fills the void he has in his mind with various pleasures (as seen in XV2 when he talks about the benefits of joining him as "all the food, drinks, and women you could want".) but no matter how many fruits he eats he's left unsatisfied. "Canon" Turles never finds this peace, Legends Turles does find this peace after he discovers what it means to be a true Saiyan when fighting SSJ Shallot with no regrets. Heroes also finds this peace, but unfortunately Turles always dies shortly after finding this inner pride/peace.
I agree, he has such an interesting background/personality that you only find out if you look closely. And him fighting Vegeta in Heroes and dying right after finding out what it actaully means to be a Saiyan is such a good ending for him.
Turles, I hope one day we get some form of true redemption of his character flaws, becoming a true saiyan and, hell, see him achieve his super saiyan form out of pure merit.
We already did in the heroes manga. He died facing goku black while saving goku and vegeta. Couple chapters after, he came back and the manga shows how much he has changed
I hope Budokai Tenkaichi 4 keeps up the insane what-if scenarios. I want to see Turles take on the Goku Doll, Ginyu in Goku’s body, Goku Black, Bardock, Goku Jr., and then Kid Goten. Great video, regardless. Xenoverse 2 REALLY loved using Turles for these things. I hope Janemba is sometime soon.
Wouldnt whatever seed the tree of might started in be basicly a rare candy for kais? In the zamasu arc, kais are mentioned to create planets and the tree of might requires an entire planet to grow and gives the person eating the fruit a big powerboost of which for all we know could be permanent. Create a planet, grow a tree of might and repeat the process over again until you're as strong to rival angels and even zeno, kais live extremely long so they got all the time to do it over and over again
The fact that turles was stated to have rivaled first form frieza and take over his empire and surpass him means that, along with his zenkai boosts, since he is a saiyan, would've made him into possibly solar system level. Cell would've been ass fucked when he traveled back and buu would've been nuked before he would've grown powerful enough
Turles an interesting character even if he’s not canon imagine he learned the fruits of his saiyan heritage and finds out about super saiyan 4 and has tree of night as extra boost after many years of training in some pyramid of time if he became s good guy and learned of god ki Then he has super saiyan god forms on top of his super saiyan 4 with tree of might powers. His zenkai boosts would be out of this world of impressive gains after near death experiences since he has his tail.
8:54 damn he’d be able to go up against final form Frieza as a great ape then but he’d die as soon as Frieza starts using more of his power in small outputs
I really like your scaling videos of these guys, keep it up! I think that we probably shouldn't use regular trees and the size of it as a comparison for the Tree of Might, after all it is a magical tree, allegedly used by gods, i think the statement by Yamcha and Turles' subordinates gives credence to the fact that the tree has above planet level durability: Yamcha thinks it can be destroyed with the power to destroy the planet (which means that they could blow up the Earth if they wanted to), but that is corrected to be not enough (if "nobody" can destroy it, with the confirmation that they can use planetary force, that means planet busters can't destroy it), thus, blowing up the tree should be an above planetary feat, and killing Turles required that, he should have Planetary + power and durability going by the movie alone with no scaling to the Z anime, the fact that he soloed the same group that could blow up the Earth if they wanted to confirms this.
I like Turles alot, because he reminds me, of us Germans similiar, to how Vegeta does, but while he is royalty, Turles represents to me, what our ancient Germanic tribes were. A bunch of ruthless warriours. Even the war drums, that you can hear in his main theme in XV2 and the misty scenery of the tree of might also fit into our representation perfectly well. If you take away the fact, that they are an alien race, that invades Earth, you would get exactly, what we are and that's, what I like him for. I feel a spiritual connection, to that.
I think the most interesting thing about him is obviously the tree of might and just what one could accomplish with it and reaching powers that are truly insane and unlocking unique forms only by this method
What's dope is the Fruit of the Tree wa godly in nature, that's why it boosts your power so much even off 1 bite and is so hard to destroy. Turles has a lot of universal knowledge just like Frieza as he was 1 of the elites for a long time.
he's probably around the 400,000 mark after eating the fruit since he was smacking around kaioken x10 goku who wouldve been at 300,000. his base pl was stated at 19,000 so this means the tree of mights fruit gives him about a 20x power boost, and he ate a second one before goku used the spirit bomb which would have shot him up to a power level of 8 million. so thats about how strong turles was when he died, strong enough to take on freezas first 3 forms, which for a saiyan is fucking insane. if you dont wanna count the second fruit thats fair i guess but even then turles was still strong enough to smoke the whole ginyu force by himself. he would definitely be a threat to freezas army and maybe a threat to freeza himself if he kept eating the fruit
Movies take place in a different timeline and the movies based on release determine the strength of the villains as koyama states each villain that appears in the films is stronger than the previous
I think such a great content of u is deserved to have more sub and views bro. Such a great channle of you need to have a wider reach only if u use the community tab
I’m strangely convinced every Turles we’ve seen is somehow the same Turles we’ve first seen in TTOM, and I’m not even saying everyone should believed that lol.
People say that Turles is bland but I always see the point of his character being the complete opposite path goku walk very interesting. Unlike Goku he’s obsessed with strength through artificial enhancements, to the point it is his final end goal. While Goku drink the potential unleash magic water and senzu beans it’s to further push himself in his training. Turles prefer only taking battles he know he’ll win, as well as knowing when to retreat. He’s a pragmatist at heart which fits a saiyan low class title since he’s too weak to be an elite, too cowardly to push the utmost limits of his saiyan biology and become stronger. So he has to resort to other means, he’s the anti-thesis to the saiyan race yet still pride himself as one of them.
They think he's bland because they don't look deeply into his character. Also, Heroes showed that turles is a complex character with the development he got
Turles was a alright character still wished he unlocked a dark variation equivalent to SS. He's gotten close ones but not the exact type of thing I'm looking for yet from his character.😤
if vegeta considers the fruit of might "cheating" then the gang using senzus is ultra cheating. fruit of might seems kinda fodder in comparison tbh. it's a lesser amp than most transformations and 99% of the time doesn't even catch the dub unless it's the "super ultra evil diabolical" fruit of might enhanced by a literal dark demon lord. (a bucket of kfc to a hungry gt goku is probably a better amp)
Perhaps, but a senzu is merely healing and while that does give an advantage it doesn't make one any stronger (unless they are a Saiyan during the sagas that zenkais actually mattered in terms of the power increases they granted... or are Cell after he blew himself up, though he didn't need a senzu for that power boost) whereas the Tree of Might fruit does make you stronger, but also does so through no effort of your own, making it a cheap power boost that's not really earned if we were to look at it in a way that Vegeta might then the fruit is literally just relying on power that isn't yours to get stronger which is something he would hate as evidenced by how he literally hated himself for choosing to throw away his pride to get the boost from babidi in the Buu saga, but didn't see any other way to get Goku to fight him. In other words, to Vegeta it's a matter of principal and effect that makes him dislike the use of the Fruit. Also, yeah I agree senzus are also cheating though if you ask me.
@@EnergyBurst2 do u think it would've made any difference for gohan (or goku for that matter if he continued fighting) if cell didn't catch that good shit? 🤔 in fact, now that i think about it, gohan might've been able to dust off perfect cell easier if he had been able to quickly munch on a senzu. he just needed 1arm to high-diff plus goku and vegeta's help. so maybe with 2 arms he wouldn't even need they help. but i guess it's a bit contentious It is very interesting how Vegeta hates himself for using any "shortcuts" like babadi. I do agree it's definitely in character for him to bash turles as it goes against his pride ideology. IIRC he even says "geez, i hate when i have to use these..." when trunks gives one to him. So it makes sense, i'm just poking fun at fruit of might being literal plant food fodder lol From the summary, the writing in ball heroes seems decent. That scene, it was kinda heartwarming, even. but idk about seriously checking it out cause... the consensus seems that it's non-canon fanfic cancer
@@paul_particularlyunhappynut Everyone's bound to have their opinions. I know most people hate Heroes, but I would suggest you check it out and see for yourself. Personally? I love it. I know, it's not cannon, but hey, so aren't most movies, yet they are among the best arcs the Z-Fighters have (Janemba, Bojack and A13 are really good imo). It was also confirmed that Heroes IS cannon, albeit a different kind; Xeno Goku is the same Goku from the movies that fights Cooler, Slug, etc, which I think it's brilliant. If we really analyze it, is that so much different from Future Trunks? He's not the "main" Trunks, but he is a great character, and I would suggest people to look at Heroes the same way. It is all very fan service, sure, but done right and not fan servicing simply for the sake of it. It does have a plot, and an interesting one at that (if you're a geek like me that likes to analyze all the possibilities and what-if's regarding time/space continuum/breaking realities). Hell, I think even GT (albeit not cannon as well) is worth checking out, and while I don't want to go there, it did some good things (some even better than Super). All in all: Check Heroes out. Go with an open mind. And hey, if you don't like it, at least now you should know why you didn't. Also, sorry for the long text but just another point: Another thing Heroes did right imo? Introducing the Demon Realm Race. If Gods, Angels, Kais and Priests are a thing in DBS, so should demon gods, demon androids, etc. It also could be an interesting arc, especially given Zamasu's views- maybe too philosophical for Dragon Ball, but I would love it).
@@TheSolication nah, no need to say sorry. in fact, you picked just the right guy. typing an outerversal numeric amount of words can be fun sometime. (aka "sperging"). i did read all of it. am'i a fan of what ifs? depends i guess, sounds familiar. this is probably not the best example, and u probably don't know the game danganronpa v3. but basically, there's "what if" modes and it's kinda trash. the alternate interactions are fun at first, but it's gets pretty boring after awhile. (but also because there's no main plot, so this might be a bad comparison) i might check it out. but that said, i should probably watch Z buu before i do that, lol. (wow dragon ball fan didn't watch the whole series no wayyy)
@@paul_particularlyunhappynut Cool, man. I apreciate it. I know Danganronpa, though I never played it. And I know it mostly because the "bear" was trending in social media some time ago. From what you told it seems like a good comparison, and there are dragon ball games that do that, like Supersonic Fighters and Budokai Tenkaichi 3. I loved them, but I can see you will not :p Buu saga... oh, boy. Well, I recomend for you to see it for yourself.
It Appears that they are Making Movie Villains Canon in Dragon Ball Super Like they Made Broly Canon, Maybe they will Bring Turles in to it as well Then he will be Broken when it Comes to Power.
lets just say if they were to bring him back in DBS/movies i could see him as an anti hero 2nd have u had any thoughts of making a video about who would between the crusher corps vs the ginyu force
I think you're forgetting that the tree of might provides fruits that increases your power so it can't be destroyed by them by that time. I would say that it does need a planetary level of destruction to destroy the tree or maybe more.
does the power of fruit distort turles ability to achieve ssj or something, or does it simply channel the potential of ssj transformation into his base form?? that would be cool, but this could explain why he went from low 30,000's to almost 500,000 with a single bite of the fruit just from the chi of earth alone, i bet the fruit does more than just give you power it most also channel the sayians ability to get stronger through fighting/near-death/ hidden s cells/ etc.
At this point I think we should just consider the movies as part of the DBZ anime continuity along with GT... the movies are full of inconsistencies but the anime/manga is full of inconsistencies as well.... The movies definitely aren't part of the original Manga, therefore they're non canon... but they were intended to be part of the DBZ anime continuity and they're even based off the arcs that they were made during... the characters even have flashbacks to the anime and the movies feature anime exclusive characters such as Pikkon and Garlic Jr etc... and then GT features movie exclusive villains like Cooler... and the movies never state that they're set in an alternate timeline/dimension or anything like that..... Toriyamas statement about the movies just means that they're not part of his original manga... Even DBZ is full of non canon material, so just because the movies arr non canon doesn't mean that they aren't part of the DBZ anime continuity
Turles could be Goku Half Brother, Cousin or Uncle, sayians definitely like to F around, Raditz looks too much like Vegeta meaning that Goku mother cheated with King Vegeta and Fasha could be Turles Mother from Bardock and that would explain why Bardock "doesnt knows" him
Turles was fighting x20 Goku , x20 Goku was able to hurt final form frieza I believe Goku could’ve beat frieza in his 2form with x20. In frieza 2nd form his power level was 1mil so if Turles was able to beat Goku x20 he is at least 2nd form frieza level aka around 1mil or a lil higher bc the fruit. They dif can destroy a planet. Turles lowball is Flt he was fighting with X20 goku
actually turtles is a bit stronger than Vegeta cause in Saiyan saga Vegeta power level is 18K while in the movies turtles power level is 19k but when turtles ate the fruit later on in the movie he became even stronger
No he doesn’t piccolo is the same power level as vegeta in the saiyan saga. And turles wrecked his shit. Also he was able to out speed and overpower a times 20 kaioken goku 💀
SDBH main continuity arcade as well as the manga and anime follows the scaling of the DBS anime series. Its written as a continuation to the DBS anime and it's stated to be from that continuity post ToP confirmed by both Suzuki and Higuchi Wataru Heroes producers. Also Xeno Goku doesn't scale to Demigra as he never once fights him in the arcade, manga or anime continuities. In the arcade he simply fights alongside the other Time Patrol members as they fight against the team of Demigra, Towa, Mira and Dabura. In the end of the fight Xeno Trunks and Supreme Kai of Time finish off Demigra and the arcade doesn't have any absurd feats that fans like to claim. Also Ultimate Mission X is not connected to the arcade, manga and anime and is a different continuity and scaling to those. The SDBH trailers also are a different continuity and scale from the main story of the arcade or promo anime.
Bro you lose me by saying it’s as durable as most trees after we see it resist blasts… your logic is specious because the calculations would mean they should at least damage the tree. Uhhghh I wish this bad math logic trend for videos would have died years ago.
I wonder if he'd be destroyed by his own power by trying to eat every fruit on that tree or that his men would take some behind his back. I wish the z fighters started snacking on the fruit and ganged up on turles
Dragon ball hero’s are above Mulitversal they got to Outter to boundless 🤦🏽xeno Goku power can Threatened the real world, which is me and you and also the game world where they are from making them outter to boundless
Turles was a alright character still wished he unlocked a dark variation equivalent to SS. He's gotten close ones but not the exact type of thing I'm looking for yet from his character.😤
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Saiyans. The DNA of the Soul…..
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Q1. What’s the deal with you scaling Turles to the Tree of Might? That’s like trying to scale King Piccolo to the Rice cooker he was sealed in. Numbs, you dummy.
A: First, the rice cooker is Hax-based, not power based. Without its seal, anyone as strong as King Piccolo or Zamasu can easily break out of it. Second, the film barely has any feats worth talking about to scale Turles. Since his lore is speculative, I wanted to rely on concrete feats rather than on headcanon/assumptions that people will likely not agree on. As such, the Tree was an essential aspect of his film and overall character, I had to make do with what was presented, even if fans may believe his overall scaling is underwhelming. At this point, if you’ve seen my previous videos, this is nothing new. So As I said, don’t take it too personally, I just wish to give a new insight into his feats rather than simply saying “he’s strong.”
Q2. Numbs, you forgot his appearance in [insert media here] you dummy NPC! lol
A: I’m aware Turles appears in Extreme Butoden and other DBH spin-offs, but I had to remove them because it made the video unnecessarily bloated, as I like to at least have the points I bring up be relevant to his overall power. So sorry to the two people who wanted me to mention him being referenced in shin budokai but it doesn’t change my overall findings and conclusions. The only thing I was going to include that was removed from my final script was trying to connect turles relation with Bardock in the games to the anime special, as potential evidence its canon to movie 3 but otherwise, you’re not missing much else in terms of context.
Q3. Are the guidebooks valid to scale Turles?
A: The answer is yes. Not that is not to say it’s always 100% accurate. Not duh it’s not all the time. However, Since Turles’ backstory is vague, the scans and guides help paint a picture not just regarding Turles’ power and his overall personality. That is why I brought up the tree of might because technically, it is an external power and without it, Turles’ growth stagnates. That is why I wanted to emphasize his character growth in this video because Turles is not naturally strong but if you allow him to become powerful through his external sources, it’s more in character to do so and jump to levels he normally cannot reach. That is why if you ever wanted to know why he has yet to achieve ssj1, 3, god, blue, whatever, it’s because he’s not like Goku who trains. He cheats his way to the top and why he loves his fruit.
Q4: Isn’t the Bardock Special canon to Movie 3?
A: Maybe. That’s up to you to decide. Since I didn’t want to make an objective claim that it MUST be canon to movie 3, I simply argued how it COULD be possible without contradicting Koyama or Toriyama’s statements, while still being in its own movie dimension and therefore its own scaling. Not everyone will agree it is because of production dates, etc, but I want to at least give both sides a fair chance and argue from feats and lore perspectives.
Q5: Why did you bring up his power levels if it has no correlation to the anime power levels?
A: People like to make up their own fan-made power levels for characters not given official numbers. I thought it would be a neat extra inclusion in relation to Turles’ power and talk about how strong he could have been as a low-class Saiyan since people rarely mention his great ape form. Plus, if you want to somehow connect him to anime scaling, Turles being above the phantom Saiyans can be a potential method to rely on but that’s only if you think it’s valid.
Also, yes, I know, the video is long…I talk too much….Shut up. I can’t help it. XD
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The tree would kill not just the planet but people too meaning the tree who take life energy from the people on earth
Just quit scaling and UA-cam already
I think the concept that Turles couldn't have destroyed the planet (due to not being able to destroy the tree) is pretty interesting because I think it's stated in a guide (at least El Manga Legndario/Le Manga de Legend) that it takes a PL of 10,000 to do so. Even without that his PL still would've been higher than the Vegeta that threatened to destroy the planet with his Galick Gun.
Him blocking the SBC point blank was impressive considering how well that move punches above its weight class. Well, unless you think he was just tougher than his PL would imply like Goku said about Nappa being unphased by his blast above (that should've been above his) PL when someone like Raditz took damage from a child with a PL that should've lower than (or on par with) his.
But of course, these movies are made knowing there'll be inconsitencies with other films and the main continuity (despite being of a similar timeline) so I just go with Koyoma's "stronger than the last villain Goku faced" statement when it comes to Turles.
Tell me, please. Where I can read daizenshu 6?
Turles was a whole demon. He's like Raditz but could just shit on the Kaioken multipliers. He was THAT dude after eating Tree of Might fruits (interesting concept too)
that intro goes hardddddddd
Ikr
Honestly my favorite dragon ball scaling series on youtube. Excited for this one!
Turles is the original Goku Black, he's quite cool honestly. I have always wanted to see a Kakarot in frieza armor. Really cool character even though he's quite bland!
Well, he's still a goku, being evil doesnt change his bland character
@@youtubestudiosucks978 yeah I know.. I said those 2 exact things in my comment..? 🤭
Raditz is technically the original goku black
@@tebelel7150 Turles*
Turles is underrated imo. He has a character, you just have to look for it. He's a low-class Saiyan that, due to likely spending most of his time on the far fringes of Frieza space never spent much time around other saiyans and as such never really learned what it meant to be a "true saiyan", likely gained his "true saiyan is evil" mindset from survivors of saiyan attacks.
He fills the void he has in his mind with various pleasures (as seen in XV2 when he talks about the benefits of joining him as "all the food, drinks, and women you could want".) but no matter how many fruits he eats he's left unsatisfied.
"Canon" Turles never finds this peace, Legends Turles does find this peace after he discovers what it means to be a true Saiyan when fighting SSJ Shallot with no regrets. Heroes also finds this peace, but unfortunately Turles always dies shortly after finding this inner pride/peace.
I agree, he has such an interesting background/personality that you only find out if you look closely.
And him fighting Vegeta in Heroes and dying right after finding out what it actaully means to be a Saiyan is such a good ending for him.
Turles, I hope one day we get some form of true redemption of his character flaws, becoming a true saiyan and, hell, see him achieve his super saiyan form out of pure merit.
We already did in the heroes manga. He died facing goku black while saving goku and vegeta. Couple chapters after, he came back and the manga shows how much he has changed
@@Ashley_J.W holy shit, it's Ashley Williams!
I hope Budokai Tenkaichi 4 keeps up the insane what-if scenarios.
I want to see Turles take on the Goku Doll, Ginyu in Goku’s body, Goku Black, Bardock, Goku Jr., and then Kid Goten.
Great video, regardless. Xenoverse 2 REALLY loved using Turles for these things. I hope Janemba is sometime soon.
That voice line was so fire and well done holy shit
Turles and broly interaction is legendary. One has swag, the other is a beast. They dont care about each others opinions
The Sayian Botanist! (I couldn't think og anything clever to say)
That's actually really cool
Wouldnt whatever seed the tree of might started in be basicly a rare candy for kais?
In the zamasu arc, kais are mentioned to create planets and the tree of might requires an entire planet to grow and gives the person eating the fruit a big powerboost of which for all we know could be permanent.
Create a planet, grow a tree of might and repeat the process over again until you're as strong to rival angels and even zeno, kais live extremely long so they got all the time to do it over and over again
Maybe it goes up by 10k in powerlevel tho 🗿
Well, the Fruit of Might is said to be a meal that Core People (the kai species) consume.
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That raises an excellent question though, how the hell did Turles get fruit meant for the gods?!
@@johnnygyro2295 Yeah, that’s the very confusing part.
The fact that turles was stated to have rivaled first form frieza and take over his empire and surpass him means that, along with his zenkai boosts, since he is a saiyan, would've made him into possibly solar system level. Cell would've been ass fucked when he traveled back and buu would've been nuked before he would've grown powerful enough
Bro went into dokkan’s story mode💀, keep up the good work
That intro's harder than my alimony payments 🙏
Turles an interesting character even if he’s not canon imagine he learned the fruits of his saiyan heritage and finds out about super saiyan 4 and has tree of night as extra boost after many years of training in some pyramid of time if he became s good guy and learned of god ki
Then he has super saiyan god forms on top of his super saiyan 4 with tree of might powers.
His zenkai boosts would be out of this world of impressive gains after near death experiences since he has his tail.
The broly video will take a while I guess with so many variations. Do you want to make a video on the movie henchmen or the shadow dragons?
Turles is my favorite DBZ villain/character. I hope they give Turles the Broly treatment and revive the character in super making him canon
Glad to see you back!
I've waited so long for your Turles video Thanks a lot bro!!!
Great video
Honestly due to the hero logic Turles can adapt to power for whatever planet he lands on
8:54 damn he’d be able to go up against final form Frieza as a great ape then but he’d die as soon as Frieza starts using more of his power in small outputs
Underrated character
I really like your scaling videos of these guys, keep it up!
I think that we probably shouldn't use regular trees and the size of it as a comparison for the Tree of Might, after all it is a magical tree, allegedly used by gods, i think the statement by Yamcha and Turles' subordinates gives credence to the fact that the tree has above planet level durability:
Yamcha thinks it can be destroyed with the power to destroy the planet (which means that they could blow up the Earth if they wanted to), but that is corrected to be not enough (if "nobody" can destroy it, with the confirmation that they can use planetary force, that means planet busters can't destroy it), thus, blowing up the tree should be an above planetary feat, and killing Turles required that, he should have Planetary + power and durability going by the movie alone with no scaling to the Z anime, the fact that he soloed the same group that could blow up the Earth if they wanted to confirms this.
I like Turles alot, because he reminds me, of us Germans similiar, to how Vegeta does,
but while he is royalty, Turles represents to me, what our ancient Germanic tribes were. A bunch of ruthless warriours.
Even the war drums, that you can hear in his main theme in XV2 and the misty scenery of the tree of might also fit into our representation perfectly well.
If you take away the fact, that they are an alien race, that invades Earth, you would get exactly, what we are and that's, what I like him for. I feel a spiritual connection, to that.
I think the most interesting thing about him is obviously the tree of might and just what one could accomplish with it and reaching powers that are truly insane and unlocking unique forms only by this method
What's dope is the Fruit of the Tree wa godly in nature, that's why it boosts your power so much even off 1 bite and is so hard to destroy. Turles has a lot of universal knowledge just like Frieza as he was 1 of the elites for a long time.
Great video!
19:19
Numbers finally got the collab with seth
I want to see Turles take on the Goku Doll, Ginyu in Goku’s body, Goku Black, Bardock, Goku Jr., and then Kid Goten.
thank u for cac bio but i dont run away from fights and new sub lmaoo
Thank you for the great content bro
Ohhh you worked hard on this. I never heard about a lot of this
THERE HE IS! MY MAN!
0:02 This man is NOT Gojo with that heaven and earth line 💀 (Turles is GOATED)
Great Job
I actually quite like how turles turned around from Vegeta's influence in heroes
16:40 Holy shit, that's one team up I didn't see coming.
W video man fr
Nice to see that no matter which character, Heroes guys are consistently multiversal+
he's probably around the 400,000 mark after eating the fruit since he was smacking around kaioken x10 goku who wouldve been at 300,000. his base pl was stated at 19,000 so this means the tree of mights fruit gives him about a 20x power boost, and he ate a second one before goku used the spirit bomb which would have shot him up to a power level of 8 million. so thats about how strong turles was when he died, strong enough to take on freezas first 3 forms, which for a saiyan is fucking insane. if you dont wanna count the second fruit thats fair i guess but even then turles was still strong enough to smoke the whole ginyu force by himself.
he would definitely be a threat to freezas army and maybe a threat to freeza himself if he kept eating the fruit
Turles was badass 🔥🔥
Love this videos
Movies take place in a different timeline and the movies based on release determine the strength of the villains as koyama states each villain that appears in the films is stronger than the previous
This is an amazing video you should bardock next
When i first saw Turles in DBXV2, i thought he was kinda cool.
I think such a great content of u is deserved to have more sub and views bro. Such a great channle of you need to have a wider reach only if u use the community tab
I’m strangely convinced every Turles we’ve seen is somehow the same Turles we’ve first seen in TTOM, and I’m not even saying everyone should believed that lol.
Crusher Corp. Vs Freezers army
People say that Turles is bland but I always see the point of his character being the complete opposite path goku walk very interesting. Unlike Goku he’s obsessed with strength through artificial enhancements, to the point it is his final end goal. While Goku drink the potential unleash magic water and senzu beans it’s to further push himself in his training. Turles prefer only taking battles he know he’ll win, as well as knowing when to retreat. He’s a pragmatist at heart which fits a saiyan low class title since he’s too weak to be an elite, too cowardly to push the utmost limits of his saiyan biology and become stronger. So he has to resort to other means, he’s the anti-thesis to the saiyan race yet still pride himself as one of them.
They think he's bland because they don't look deeply into his character. Also, Heroes showed that turles is a complex character with the development he got
Lord slug next plz 🙏
Turles has a serious addiction to that fruit. I hope he goes to rehab and overcomes it.
When’s the broly or Janemba video coming out
NEVER!!!!!! (jk, eventually.....but which one will happen first i wonder?)😉
@@Numbers2133 shallot?
Turles was a alright character still wished he unlocked a dark variation equivalent to SS. He's gotten close ones but not the exact type of thing I'm looking for yet from his character.😤
if vegeta considers the fruit of might "cheating" then the gang using senzus is ultra cheating. fruit of might seems kinda fodder in comparison tbh. it's a lesser amp than most transformations and 99% of the time doesn't even catch the dub unless it's the "super ultra evil diabolical" fruit of might enhanced by a literal dark demon lord. (a bucket of kfc to a hungry gt goku is probably a better amp)
Perhaps, but a senzu is merely healing and while that does give an advantage it doesn't make one any stronger (unless they are a Saiyan during the sagas that zenkais actually mattered in terms of the power increases they granted... or are Cell after he blew himself up, though he didn't need a senzu for that power boost) whereas the Tree of Might fruit does make you stronger, but also does so through no effort of your own, making it a cheap power boost that's not really earned if we were to look at it in a way that Vegeta might then the fruit is literally just relying on power that isn't yours to get stronger which is something he would hate as evidenced by how he literally hated himself for choosing to throw away his pride to get the boost from babidi in the Buu saga, but didn't see any other way to get Goku to fight him. In other words, to Vegeta it's a matter of principal and effect that makes him dislike the use of the Fruit. Also, yeah I agree senzus are also cheating though if you ask me.
@@EnergyBurst2 do u think it would've made any difference for gohan (or goku for that matter if he continued fighting) if cell didn't catch that good shit? 🤔
in fact, now that i think about it, gohan might've been able to dust off perfect cell easier if he had been able to quickly munch on a senzu. he just needed 1arm to high-diff plus goku and vegeta's help. so maybe with 2 arms he wouldn't even need they help. but i guess it's a bit contentious
It is very interesting how Vegeta hates himself for using any "shortcuts" like babadi.
I do agree it's definitely in character for him to bash turles as it goes against his pride ideology. IIRC he even says "geez, i hate when i have to use these..." when trunks gives one to him. So it makes sense, i'm just poking fun at fruit of might being literal plant food fodder lol
From the summary, the writing in ball heroes seems decent. That scene, it was kinda heartwarming, even. but idk about seriously checking it out cause... the consensus seems that it's non-canon fanfic cancer
@@paul_particularlyunhappynut Everyone's bound to have their opinions. I know most people hate Heroes, but I would suggest you check it out and see for yourself.
Personally? I love it. I know, it's not cannon, but hey, so aren't most movies, yet they are among the best arcs the Z-Fighters have (Janemba, Bojack and A13 are really good imo). It was also confirmed that Heroes IS cannon, albeit a different kind; Xeno Goku is the same Goku from the movies that fights Cooler, Slug, etc, which I think it's brilliant.
If we really analyze it, is that so much different from Future Trunks? He's not the "main" Trunks, but he is a great character, and I would suggest people to look at Heroes the same way. It is all very fan service, sure, but done right and not fan servicing simply for the sake of it. It does have a plot, and an interesting one at that (if you're a geek like me that likes to analyze all the possibilities and what-if's regarding time/space continuum/breaking realities). Hell, I think even GT (albeit not cannon as well) is worth checking out, and while I don't want to go there, it did some good things (some even better than Super).
All in all: Check Heroes out. Go with an open mind. And hey, if you don't like it, at least now you should know why you didn't.
Also, sorry for the long text but just another point: Another thing Heroes did right imo? Introducing the Demon Realm Race. If Gods, Angels, Kais and Priests are a thing in DBS, so should demon gods, demon androids, etc. It also could be an interesting arc, especially given Zamasu's views- maybe too philosophical for Dragon Ball, but I would love it).
@@TheSolication nah, no need to say sorry. in fact, you picked just the right guy. typing an outerversal numeric amount of words can be fun sometime. (aka "sperging").
i did read all of it. am'i a fan of what ifs? depends i guess, sounds familiar. this is probably not the best example, and u probably don't know the game danganronpa v3. but basically, there's "what if" modes and it's kinda trash. the alternate interactions are fun at first, but it's gets pretty boring after awhile. (but also because there's no main plot, so this might be a bad comparison)
i might check it out. but that said, i should probably watch Z buu before i do that, lol. (wow dragon ball fan didn't watch the whole series no wayyy)
@@paul_particularlyunhappynut Cool, man. I apreciate it.
I know Danganronpa, though I never played it. And I know it mostly because the "bear" was trending in social media some time ago. From what you told it seems like a good comparison, and there are dragon ball games that do that, like Supersonic Fighters and Budokai Tenkaichi 3. I loved them, but I can see you will not :p
Buu saga... oh, boy. Well, I recomend for you to see it for yourself.
I've said this before. Now with time travel and the multiverse having been introduced. ALL OF THIS IS NOW CANON. Technically....
Ik this is unrelated, but could you make a video on how strong Shallot's evil brother is?
So ruthless so powerful
Non cannon
Disowned by bardock but inherented bada$$Ness. Everything kakorot could've been.
It Appears that they are Making Movie Villains Canon in Dragon Ball Super Like they Made Broly Canon, Maybe they will Bring Turles in to it as well Then he will be Broken when it Comes to Power.
lets just say if they were to bring him back in DBS/movies i could see him as an anti hero 2nd have u had any thoughts of making a video about who would between the crusher corps vs the ginyu force
I think you're forgetting that the tree of might provides fruits that increases your power so it can't be destroyed by them by that time. I would say that it does need a planetary level of destruction to destroy the tree or maybe more.
does the power of fruit distort turles ability to achieve ssj or something, or does it simply channel the potential of ssj transformation into his base form?? that would be cool, but this could explain why he went from low 30,000's to almost 500,000 with a single bite of the fruit just from the chi of earth alone, i bet the fruit does more than just give you power it most also channel the sayians ability to get stronger through fighting/near-death/ hidden s cells/ etc.
@Numbers2133 --- What if Gero added DNA from Tree of Might, Saibaman, and/or Yeti?
The original Goku Black.
W vid ngl
Maybe Dr Gero make turtles. If he will get or has Goku DNA. Easy
At this point I think we should just consider the movies as part of the DBZ anime continuity along with GT... the movies are full of inconsistencies but the anime/manga is full of inconsistencies as well.... The movies definitely aren't part of the original Manga, therefore they're non canon... but they were intended to be part of the DBZ anime continuity and they're even based off the arcs that they were made during... the characters even have flashbacks to the anime and the movies feature anime exclusive characters such as Pikkon and Garlic Jr etc... and then GT features movie exclusive villains like Cooler... and the movies never state that they're set in an alternate timeline/dimension or anything like that.....
Toriyamas statement about the movies just means that they're not part of his original manga... Even DBZ is full of non canon material, so just because the movies arr non canon doesn't mean that they aren't part of the DBZ anime continuity
Turles could be Goku Half Brother, Cousin or Uncle, sayians definitely like to F around, Raditz looks too much like Vegeta meaning that Goku mother cheated with King Vegeta and Fasha could be Turles Mother from Bardock and that would explain why Bardock "doesnt knows" him
Still wanting him to get ssj1
Turles maybe inspired Kishimoto to create Kaguya character
How strong is Paragus?
34:16 i dont understand were the hyper level comes from
Dbz movie 3 is amazing
29:12 ayooo
Turles was fighting x20 Goku , x20 Goku was able to hurt final form frieza I believe Goku could’ve beat frieza in his 2form with x20. In frieza 2nd form his power level was 1mil so if Turles was able to beat Goku x20 he is at least 2nd form frieza level aka around 1mil or a lil higher bc the fruit. They dif can destroy a planet. Turles lowball is Flt he was fighting with X20 goku
Literally bible related
Turles scales below Sayian Saga Vegeta.
actually turtles is a bit stronger than Vegeta cause in Saiyan saga Vegeta power level is 18K while in the movies turtles power level is 19k but when turtles ate the fruit later on in the movie he became even stronger
no
No he doesn’t piccolo is the same power level as vegeta in the saiyan saga. And turles wrecked his shit. Also he was able to out speed and overpower a times 20 kaioken goku 💀
So… what about Capsule Goku?
SDBH main continuity arcade as well as the manga and anime follows the scaling of the DBS anime series. Its written as a continuation to the DBS anime and it's stated to be from that continuity post ToP confirmed by both Suzuki and Higuchi Wataru Heroes producers.
Also Xeno Goku doesn't scale to Demigra as he never once fights him in the arcade, manga or anime continuities. In the arcade he simply fights alongside the other Time Patrol members as they fight against the team of Demigra, Towa, Mira and Dabura.
In the end of the fight Xeno Trunks and Supreme Kai of Time finish off Demigra and the arcade doesn't have any absurd feats that fans like to claim. Also Ultimate Mission X is not connected to the arcade, manga and anime and is a different continuity and scaling to those. The SDBH trailers also are a different continuity and scale from the main story of the arcade or promo anime.
Bro you lose me by saying it’s as durable as most trees after we see it resist blasts… your logic is specious because the calculations would mean they should at least damage the tree.
Uhhghh I wish this bad math logic trend for videos would have died years ago.
14:01 would this not make xenoverse a canon dimension?
Anime raditz moves faster than light. If Turles was stronger and faster than raditz… that means he is also faster than light… not Mach speed
Raditz, Nappa, and Turles were wasted and should've been brought back to face the Z Fighters.
Id imagine after eating the tree of might fruit he would be around vegetas at the start of the namek saga prior to his second zarbon fight
I wonder if he'd be destroyed by his own power by trying to eat every fruit on that tree or that his men would take some behind his back. I wish the z fighters started snacking on the fruit and ganged up on turles
Dragon ball hero’s are above Mulitversal they got to Outter to boundless 🤦🏽xeno Goku power can
Threatened the real world, which is me and you and also the game world where they are from making them outter to boundless
each movie villain was intended to be stronger than the last
Answer: very strong but not stronger than frieza
Turles > Goku Black
Good video unfortunately super is trash
Dub>sub
Bro imma sub
Turles was a alright character still wished he unlocked a dark variation equivalent to SS. He's gotten close ones but not the exact type of thing I'm looking for yet from his character.😤