Jinnah Contradiction? | Part 1
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- Опубліковано 9 сер 2018
- Jinnah made many speeches that are totally secular and other speeches where he supports an Islamic system of governance. Here I have put all these famous quotations together. Was Jinnah merely contradicting himself for political mileage? Or was there something else going on? Watch part one of vlog. It will set up the question that I will answer in part 2.
Jinnah was a clever man; he used the Muslim identity and Islam as a way to gain support for the creation of an independent Muslim state.
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Dr. Taimur Rehman Sahub, appriciate your courage to choose this sensitive issue to discussed. The state of Pakistan glorified the persanality of Muhammad Ali Jinnah @ Quaud e Azam and Dr. Sir Muhammad Iqbal @ Allama and the peoples assumed that these peoples are not human beings and the state of Pakistan potraired these persanalities as saint which are not taking any wrong decision in their political career and in their private life. Majority of peoples believed that this Pakistan befire 14 August 1947 there are no population lived in this area and after the 14th Aughust 1947 the peoples are lived in this area. This is very sensitive and touche issue because the peoples of Pakistan have no courage to accept that Muhammad Ali Jinnah and Dr. Sir Muhammad Iqbal are ordinary human beings and they respect these persanalities as prophets or saints. Thanks.
Sir kindly keep on uploading lectures. Highly eye opening for the ones who are curious to know. Thanks
Today Pakistan's minorities doesn't have same constitutional rights as Muslims. Thus 2nd class Citizen.
In Pakistan and India, only leaders who were recognized by the British were considered champions of freedom. This points to a colonial mindset and inferiority complex.
@ Jinnah was a drooling fanboy of Tagore btw! :-) He respected him as much as he disliked Gandhi. #JustSaying
P.S. Jinnah was as anglicized, if not more, as Nehru and company.
Very good Lecture.
What a information you collected for us🔥❤️
Surprised wow 😍
So insightful, love it.
very brilliant sir I love the way you explain the topic in very easy method as well as I follow your methodology so thanks sir
I must appreciate your attempt to cite apparently contradictory quotes from Jinnah. You are right there is no contradiction in Jinnah's speeches/statements. I would argue when he has talked about Sharia-based constitution, a state-based on Islam's principle and an economy based on Quran and Sunnah, it makes abundantly clear that he did never envisage a secular Pakistan. Because religion has no public role in a secular state. His famous August 11 speech is also grossly misunderstood. He is not saying "religion has nothing to do with the business of the state". Rather, he is saying, "you may belong to any religion, caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the state." It means belonging to a religion/caste will not entail any discrimination by state. Subsequent sentences in the same paragraph make it abundantly clear that Jinnah is talking about discrimination on the basis of religion/caste. Your quote from Jinnah's speech relating to "theocracy" is also out of context and it clearly indicates unawareness of post-renaissance trajectory of modern nation state. Rejection of theocracy does not necessarily mean affirmation of secularism. Theocracy is not just about public role of Islam/any religion in politics or constitution, it is a whole system based on an organized ecclesiastical authority, which has never existed in Muslim societies/civilization. It also explains as to why we have not been able to appropriately translate concepts like theocracy and secularism in Urdu/Arabic/Persian. Because these categories have never existed in history of Muslim civilization.
theocracy = مذھبی پیشواؤں کی حکومت۔ ملاؤں کی حکومت
Secularism= صلح کلیت
It is clear that Theocracy is NOT Islamic government. Secularism is not a negative term like (La-deen-yat).
This is the best reply
sir agar wo secular state banana chahte the to phir aledge kis bat ki india se?
I think every man grows knowledge base while he ages, thats called evolution in mind development that effects your way of thinking and practices. We must understand that Quid-e-Azam when he achieved the goal of creation of Pakistan, then after 14th august 1947 what speeches he made and what idea he had, after on hand experience of a free country. Those speeches and knowledge base should be take as more of his firm believe and idea about fate of this country. In your own video there are dates mentioned. All those speeches which where around august before 14th 1947 has the tilt toward the generalize idea of state which is obvious if any election is going to take place, you would engage more population by presenting abstract ideas to encapsulate overall following. Later on when he, in other words own the election and came into power then he surely had to play on front foot and organize his abstract ideas to practical model which he discussed in speeches 1948 mostly. Thank you for your videos I really appreciate your work. We as nation need very rational and candid analysis on overall history in order form a rich collective culture with true understanding that might make us a great nation.
part 2 ka intezar hai sir
Sir ji great. Kia time pay aap ki video aai hai. My puzzled mind is satisfied enough.
Now that's awesome
Great sir
thumbs up,,,, apne iskander mirza ka hawala dya,, us ka koi autobiography he?
Dr. Rehman,
With all due deference to Mr. Jinnah:
His pronouncements n soundbytes are not all that "contradictory", if you see them in tandem with the audiences.
It is a rather clever ploy he employed.
To Western audiences, serve the cool soundbytes of a secular Pakistan. (A big joke).
But to the domestic Muslim audience, it was all about Sharia, theocracy "advised" n all about continuation of a 1300 yr legacy.
End of the day, he was a shrewd lawyer n politician. So he tooted different horns, based on the audience. I see no "contradiction" at all, if one keeps this angle in view.
He fought for Pak on the basis of the two-nation theory which postulated that Hindus n Muslims were fundamentally incompatible n therefore could not coexist in one nation. This was / is the bottomline.
The "secular" soundbytes are hogwash - playing to the appropriate gallery.
PP
Thanks for proper referencing!
Dr taimor sb please please make a video about our foriegn policies & how our army effect on this.. With overall history
But unfortunately what happened with MR mandal please tell this also
Allama Mashriq's Grandson was Discouraged from Writing the Truth About Partition
When scholar and historian Nasim Yousaf (grandson of Allama Mashriqi) was writing on the freedom movement of the India sub-continent and the partition of India, he was told that writing anything against the partition of India or the leadership that endorsed it would be frowned upon. He was advised to stay with the Pakistani and Indian establishment’s version of history. But his conscience did not permit him to accept this recommendation and he wrote the truth of what he found based on his knowledge from his family, Khaksars and extensive research.
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India word derives from Indus, which is a river and whose more then 80% part is in Pakistan.
b4 1947 No Pakistan
India was a Greek name. But for the Northern part of the India Peninsula. Which is the present day Pakistan.
The name given to the Indian peninsula by Muslims was Hindustan. Which is a compound word, Hind being Arabic, meaning Black or dark, and the suffix Stan, which is Perisian meaning country or province.
This peninsula had no local name of its own. It was divided into many kingdoms and each had it's own name.
@@GovExamsJobsofIndia
No India either
Just an artificial state named British India created by Brits
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Sir want to guide can guide me sir please?
Sir please ap 1 vlog series bnye....partion sy ly kr current date tak.....
Jis m ap wo history btaye jo hmy nhi prhai gi.... please sir
Splendid
Many Punjabi Pakistani forget one character in the creation of Pakistan and that personality is Sir Sultan Mohammed Shah. Mohammed Ali Jinnah Punja was a follower of Sir Sultan Mohammed Shah. In Ismaili tariqa followers are very religious but also at the same time very religious. That's the main reason why they feel conflict in the personality of Quaid.
What is your problem with religion .........taimoor bhai you r old enough to understand ........just you have read the Niccolò di Bernardo dei Machiavelli ,Antonio Francesco Gramsci ....please read the quran bible and religious stories especially stories of prophets........once read them please its my kind request to you ............i was also effected by philosophy .......but when i read the quran i was shocked .quran destroyed my all philosophical and historical concepts.
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Aap kya sochte h ki partition nahi hota to 1.Pakistan India m hota, ya 2.India Pakistan m hota, ya
3.Dono ek hote (there iwas no topic of Hindu vs Musalman). As we saw it in history of our rulers that hindu rulers have muslim population and muslim rulers have hindu population and both type of rulers have mixed army.
Where JINNAH tried to be secular mostly were foreign audience in. The contrary where Mohd Ali Jinnah portray himself to be an Islamic was mostly Muslim audience. Even this is todays's narrative of Pakistan. Pakistan follow footprints of Mohd Ali Jinnah but to blame India it draw confusion from Gandhi.. Biggest contradiction is Pakistan is ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN
Well said Taimur Saheb
beautiful lecture based on reality
Politics and religion are not to be mixed. This seemingly simple statement is not that simple. To understand the essence of the statement one has to have understanding of religion and politics both. But then all religions are not the same and within a certain religion there are various sects. This makes the matter even more complex. But since the religion in this discussion/video is islam so one needs to have an understanding of the essence of Islam. It is a complete code of life as opposed to popular belief among seculars that it's a set of religious ceremonies and prayer/Worship rituals(Namaz,Rosa, hajj). Worship ritual is hardly 15 to 20 percent of Islam. The rest of Islam deals with social behaviour i.e. how a person should conduct him or her self in day to day life interacting with fellow human beings, and animals and the environment.
Politics is one of the many things that humans do or come across in daily life. And whatever we humans do is guided by a set of rules/guudlines/principles which are influenced by society , experiences, religion etc. As Muslims we have firm belief that Islam is a complete code of life . So when we indulge into an activity the bounds(ideally speaking) are determinded by Islam. And politics is no different.
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Politics like eating,sleeping, playing sports, driving a car , lifting weights in the gym etc is very non religious activity in essence. However Islam provides its followers guidelines as to how conduct ones self while carrying out aforementioned activities. I believe Quaid e Azam understood this and made the statement that "Religion and Politics are not to be mixed" in this context.
کیا ستر سال بعد بھی جناح صاحب کے بیانات کے مطابق ہم فیصلہ کریں گے
Biggest contradiction in Jinnah's statement there is that the country would be a democratic one embodying principles of islam. Islam and democracy are incompatible. There's not one islamic nation today that is democratic. Also the fact that he hadn't even realise or thought of any kind of constitution goes to show that he didn't think or know what kind of country he was trying to make. He just thought I need a country for the muslims and that's it. No constitution, no economic policy, no education policy, nothing. You can not found a 20th century country on the basis of 6th century religion / principals. If religion is between man and God, then why did he use religion as a political tool to break a nation?
11 Augest ki taqrer Jinnah sb ki . us k bary ma ap ka kia khyal hy
تقسیم ہند کی مجھے آج تک سمجھ نہیں آسکی جب قائداعظم نے سیکولر پاکستان کی بات کی تھی جو درست ہے اس تقسیم سے برصغیر کے عوام کو فائدہ ہوا اس تقسیم نے بہت سے نئے مسائل پیدا کئے جن میں کشمیر کا مسئلہ سرفہرست ہے برصغیر کا حل کنفڈریشن ہی تھا
Dr sb, are you aware of Mr Jinnah's agreement with Pir of Manki Shareef?
We Must Counter Lies with Facts
The people of Pakistan and India should demand the declassification of the historic documents of all leaders (including Allama Mashriqi) who opposed the partition of India. The people have a right to this information and to find out the truth behind the division of India. We must counter lies with facts.
@MD NAHID ANJUM Good question. Pakistani teachers lack knowledge about Allama Mashriqi. Moreover, Pakistani establishment will not let the truth to be known about the partition of India. Under the circumstances, in schools and colleges, teachers will continue to teach fabricated history. Here is most recent article written by Allama Mashriqi's grandson: Khaksar Martyrs' Day
facebook.com/KhaksarMartyrsDay
@MD NAHID ANJUM Yes, you are right. MUST READ: "Why Allama Mashriqi Opposed the Partition of India"
facebook.com/Why-Allama-Mashriqi-Opposed-the-Partition-of-India-by-Nasim-Yousaf-677747399290905
Peer Reviewed Article: "India’s Partition in the Face of Opposition: An Unveiled Perspective"
Published by "Harvard Asia Quarterly" (Spring 2009, Vol XII, No. 2).
facebook.com/IndiasPartitionInTheFaceOfOpposition
U r v talented guy
ابوالکلام ازاد کے مطابق ازادی صرف ہندوستان کو ملی۔
ہندوستان میں مسلمان ازاد نہیں ہوگے اور پاکستان میں اسلام نہیں رہے گا
Google Allama Mashriqi's prediction about Pakistan and India
And remember Taimoor sab, Jogandar Nath was 1st Law Minister of Pakistan who flown to india on official flight and NEVER CAME BACK. to ab aap log khud andaza laga lain k in logo ko in high posts pay laganay k bad k milta hai (maine socha zara, tasweer ka 2ra rukh b dhikha du)
11th Aug speech is always misunderstood. It is clearly mentioned in Islamic history and law that all those who are not muslims can enjoy their life as they deem fit, except hindering islamic rules or customs.
Or suno! The cap which u people call as Jinnah cap, was given by a a cleric, Molana Ashraf Ali Thanvi, renowned scholar of Deo-Band (a University of Islamic teachings estb in 1866).
It is so sarcastic that Jinnah was inclined towards Secular state. Bcz, it is much difficult to carve out a state in sub-continent in the name of a religion (Islam) which is still been hated by other religions such as Hindus. saying that we will develop a secular state bcz India is a hindu state...hahaha....Even, Nehru announced india to be a secular state and as per these so called seculars, jinnah was in favor of secular state as well, so what was the need for both of them to carve out 2 states of same ideology ?.... Fake stances are fake. No need of Sohail Waraich. History leaves no debt on future generations.
Jogandar Nath left because of our administration's anti-hindu policies.
India is only secular in name.
Pakistan was built for muslims to live and practice their religion freely
Not to impose our religion on others like the hindu's did to us.
The quaid was a pragmatist first and foremost. He accepted the help of some deobandi splinter groups because ML had low support in punjab, the deobandi stronghold.
Jinnah was just a politician and after the bitter defeat of Muslim League in the general elections of 1939 .....came to the conclusion that due to resistance by the muslim elite (especially landed elite with their influence in rural muslim india) islam had to be used as a rallying call because of the influence of this elite and the mullah on the poor,illiterate muslim masses......and the same landed elite which was pre-dominantly Unionists once joined Muslim League ....only then the Muslim League was able to win 97% of seats in the general elections of 1945........Jinnah wanted Pakistan to be an all inclusive modern Muslim Democratic Republic....not a theocracy which these religious parties now claim themselves to be the champions of Pakistan ideology ....moreover Maulana Mududi and his Jamat e Islami demonised word SECULARISM equivalent to a vulgar invective....because they knew that ....in such a situation their brand of Islam won't be accepted and their power of exploiting the religious feelings of a common Pakistani won't be possible .........
If Jinnah really wanted to creat a secular state, why did he ask for partition. India was creating a secular constitution and many of muslim leagues demand were accepted like separate electorate and reservation of seats in assemblies. Please reply on this.
Because he felt that Congress was dominated by Hindus and that India would not be truly secular.
@@Taimur_Laal thanks for your reply sir. I recently came across your channel. Please upload more videos on history of the undivided india. It gives us more wider perspective.
- Your student from India.
Qaid e Azam was a human. He can have a change of opinions.
Sir you are a gem bs lafz nhe ha mare pas sir sir sir
Quaideazm was telling everyone yes yes ..
He know he will not do it😂😂😂
it seems you just read NFP's Muslim Modernism
ایک خطعہ ذمین پاکستانی مسلمانوں کو نصیب ہوا ہے۔ امید کی جاسکتی ہے کہ آج نہیں تو کل اس خطعہ ذمین کو ایک آیڈیل اسالامی حکومت میں ڈھال دیا جاۓ۔ لیکن اگر اس بد بخت ابوالکلام آزاد ( نام نہاد آزاد) کا کہنا مان کر مسلمان ھندوستان میں رھنا پسند کرتے تو پاکستان میں بسنے والے مسلمان بھی ایسے ہی حالت سے دوچار ہوتے جیسے آج ھندوستان کے مسلمان دوچار ہیں۔پاکستان کا بننا انتہائ شاندار تحفہ ہے جو مسلمانان ھند کو نصیب ہوا، افسوس کہ اب تک اس تحفہ کی نہ قدر کی گئ نہ اس سے صحیح طرح فایدہ اٹھایا گیا، امید ہے کہ انشالله اس میں ایک عمدہ طرزِ حکومت کا نفاظ ہوگا۔
Agr Sohail Wiraich uss waqt zindaa hota ! Sir wouldn't it be better if you'd said agr Sohail wiraich uss waqt peda hoa hua hota :) :)
I guess the sentence you spoke in the very opening of the video is a shocking one. correct me please if I'm wrong ,thanks, Love you ! :)
Jinnah made one law minister who was hindu but later he had to resigend and came back to India and died in a dippression. Secular India made three muslim it's president. Many muslims were made minister, chief minister. MPs, MLAs, justice, chief justice in supereme court.
sir contradiction to ek aur bhi h, aap mujhe ye bata dijie ki jab partition ho raha tha aur jinnah saab bhi secular state chahte the to wo partition kyun kara rahe the jabki India ek secular state h?
Give me a big reason that is in written for above question if u have and don't make reason by yourself. Thank You
You can reax your own book for that and you will get the answer that you need its written by a hindu in india "legend and reality h.m seervai"
@@levicodm1961 what i realise, is that divide a country is useless. India may reach more heights then it reach today and pakistan would be not a begger if India was not divide into two.
He called direct action in which lakhs of people massacared
Make a video on Kashmir please sir
Please make videos on Bartand Russell please make please make.
Bartand? 😂😂😂
sir beautifull shirt.
Do read book of Senator javaid jabbar "Pakistaniat". Best book on creation of Pakistan, why it was created.
I met Dina Wadia in USA many times, she said her dad took classes in drama and acting to make believe he is a Christian King....i was shocked...
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If we agree with you sir than what is the purpose of creation of Pakistan???
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اگربقول اپ کے جناح صاحب ایک سیکولر ملک بنارہے تھے تو پھر متحدہ ھندوستان کے کیوں مخالف تھے؟ ھندوستان بھی تو ایک سیکولر ملک ہے ۔
بلکل بھائ جی اب انسان اتنا بھی بیوقوف نہی کے ان باتوں کومان لے ۔ 100ُ فیصد اسلام کے لیے بنا تھا ۔
But Pakistan has been partitioned not freed... So far Pak has been under America's hammer..... We are partitioned from India but still we are under America's slavery....
Kiun k wh india....ko hindu state...smjty thy secular nhi..
Dr. Critique ye kia baat hoi? This is just your own supposition that Jinnah supposed so.
محمد علی جناح بنیادی طور پہ ایک موقع پرست انسان تھے جن کو بس دل تھا کہ وہ ایک ملک کے حاکم بن جائیں۔
Being such a recognised Lecturer, you are supposed to understand the meaning of 'Context'
Disappointed.
What
Their is no contradiction.If Islam promotes democracy it means every person is equal but for the state sovereignty is the major point which in Islamic view belongs to God so khalifa of the Muslim state needs to be Muslim which is uptill now in pakistan.
ACTUALLY JINNAH IS OF THE VIEW THAT RELIGION WILL NOT INTERFERE IN THE AFFAIRS OF THE STATE UNTILL IT IS NOT A PRACTICAL SHAPE OF ISLAM
Allama Iqbal par video banaye
The modern society does not look like what you see in Pakistan, India, golf, Europe, USA. Is it a disaster for humanity.. yes, off course because at some point this world will turn around and stop building bombs, weapons, tanks etc. then what will be that magic? It is you may call solo- community. What is it? It is, you have two sets of communities one is led by man dominance (likely religious base) while the other one is sitting behind women's freedom. So, women's freedom (where you have free transportation and housing if someone is unable to afford it) and situated in the middle of town where someone can assess everything that he or she needs. The 2nd community is led by man in dominant (carrying religious faith or simply man in power to run all kinds of matters, may or may not hide his woman). So, man-dominant society is situated in the surroundings of the community led by women's freedom (who may or may not like marriage). Or you may put each community either side but cannot mix them with each other. That will be the solution to any modern needs, help, work, service, recreation, entertainment or whatever.
Sir ,with due respect that you might not deserve ; I ask you if Jinnah did not want an Islamic state then why he abandon Congress and left his struggle for Hindu - Muslim Unity ? Also your all quotes that you quoted from his addresses are in sequence to each other ; there is no contradiction in them .It is your biased thoughts that drew you to quote others biased quotes of Jinnah . Well, it means(Not Theocratic state)vivid from words see some better dictionary like OALD since Muslims were divided into many sects so being a states man he mentioned the new state not to be ruled by any sect but by pour Islam.Second ,(That has nothing to do with the business of the state ----"again he explained it " but in a political sense as citizens of Pakistan) Equality concept of Islam ;Either you are weak in English or unable to understand his intellectual addresses ! For example we consider your claim to be true then also all Muslims of the subcontinent made Pakistan by their votes and they voted for Islam ; Pakistan ka matlab Kia ......
LA ILAHA ILLALLAH !
Dear Taimur Shaib . I fully agree what you are trying to say , but as a Pakistani I have long disconsolate my self with these question of how Pakistan was created and on what principle. I think majority of us quite fed of these theories, I just want to say that I want my county just any normal country in the world. JUST A NORMAL COUNTRY, Jinnah said that Jinnad did that ...bla bla bla.......Just a normal country. No matter how it was created . Just forget the history . as history is like a clay and every one make something out of it as per his wish
Those who forget the hostory are bound to repeat it 😑
I don't see any hint of secularism in the speeches of the Quaid which u have categorised as "Secular". Apparently QuaideAzam wasnt religious but from his speeches one can tell that in his heart he believed in Islam and it's principles which is quite evident when he says that the principles of Islam are as applicable today as they were 1300 yrs ago. He probably had some reservations abt SOME Mullahs and their interpretation of Islam. He understood that Islam guarantees the rights of non Muslims living under Muslim rule. Not once has Quaid eAzam used the word secular in the speeches u have quoted. It is my understanding that he wanted a system / constitution which in spirit was not against Islamic principles. A state where Muslims along with ppl of other religions could practice religion freely and not be dicriminated against. A state where a Muslims and other religious minorities would be Catagory 1 citizens in the eyes of the state. And that is essentially the spirit of Islam. Islam even forbids it followers from talking bad abt Gods of other religions. And the Quaid understood this.
sir jo hum ne prha vo to totally change he.
Beacause our history is censored man wake up the govt doesnt want you to know the truth
جناب ان کہنے کا مطلب یہ تھا کہ پاکستان کو اک ماڈرن مسلم شٹیٹ بنانے کا نہ کہ theocratic شٹیٹ بنانے کا جس میں ملا کا وضع کردہ اسلام نہ ھو۔ اور دوسری بات یہ کہ اسلامی اصولوں کے مطابق کہاں لکھا ھے غیر مسلم کے حقوق اسلامی ریاست میں یکساں نہی ہیں یا جو حقوق اک مسلم کے ہیں وہ غیر مسلم نہی کہنے کا مطلب یہ بحثیت انسان اسلام میں سب کے حقوق یکساں ہیں
Lal the bourgeoisie of left 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
Our Politicians and freedom fighter pre independence were no different from the one's present today .... they were the same manipulative, self contradicting selfish liers like the ones we have now. unknown Nehru used Gandhi to displace popular Patel as the first PM of india. Gandhi betrayed Subash Chandra Bose of (INA) who was responsible for the downfall of to the British India. Gandhi who once said that 2 nations on religion would be built over his dead body , openly supported Khilafat movent....and turned his eyes over the killing of hindus in Calcutta before independence. Iqbal who wrote Tarane Hind ends up in pakistan. Abdul Kalam who is a hard core islamist ends up in India. etc etc. Gandhi a South African who had never seen India...suddenly becomes the most powerful leader in INC bypassing stalwart like Tilak and Gokhle ...and many others. We in India are told that we got our independence by non violent means is the biggest bullshit and lie .... this way we have betrayed thousand of forgotten freedom fighters across the length and breth of undivided India who died unknow in british india Jails like (kala pani) etc.
Creatiion of India & Pakistan is full of contradictions and hidden agenda.....some truth are begining to surface ...most we will never know.
Nehru and Gandhi created secular nation but he created nation based on Religion
Islam is a complete code of life.take our prophet life he was at that time he was at 1time he was prophet but on the other hand he was lawmaker,general,politician,leader,bussiness man.only his life tell what is islam Islamic state don't need separate system for politics and religion
If he was secular then what is the need to create Pakistan?
کوٸ تضاد نہیں انہوں نے صاف کہا ھماری تہزیب ثقافت الگ ھے
You are over intellectualizing a straightforward matter; it is a contradiction, and the reason is also straightforward, since Jinnah was a trial lawyer and he said whatever he felt was most opportune, in the moment, to win his case. Also, if the true objective was to create a secular state, then why oppose the Congress' agenda of a secular & united India in the first place?
I think Jinnah saab have personal issues with the freedom fighters of that time.
HUM KISSISE KAM NEHI
India, Pakistan aur Bangladesh, ye teeno mulk ka awam faith k bare me, soch aur behavior se ekhi tarah hai. Inke paas apna dharm mannahi kafi nehi, Muslim ho to Hinduoko galia dena, aur Hindu ho to Muslims ko galia denehi suchcha Musalman aur khati Hindu hone ka manme ajeeb tarah k ek format bana liya. Alag-alag nampe teeno mulkmehi moujud kattarone, prem-muhabbat ko chodkar, hamesha hinsa, nafrat, baatneka, daraneka ek khatarnak package me dharm ko andar kar diya. Logoko dilse demagtak, lohu-piyas ka khushise iss tarah biswaska palan-posankohi ab dharm bata ja raha hai. Lekin ye v to such hai, samajme jab issi tarah khal-soch ka badwa hote, tab vo samaj kavi sudharte nehi. Ye samajhne k liye koi vishal bidwan ya fir scientist hone ka zarurat nehi hote; Seref ek sawal k bagar. Keya hai vo sawal? Vo hai, sarkarka kaam keya? Sarkar ka kaam keya Jantako Sowarg/nark,Jannat/duzakh, Heaven/hell dena? Jantako Ye saab deneka shamta authority sarkar pass hai keya? Such baat to yehi hai, ye sab dene ka power Sarkarka pas na hai, na kavi tha, na rahenga. Jantaone v keya kavi sarkarka pass Sowarg/Jannat/ Heaven mangte? Nehi mangte. Q k maang tabhi jaej aur sahi hote, jo dene k liye sarkarka pass moujud hote. To jo cheez sarkar ka tarafse dene k liye, aur janta ka tarafse lene k liye hotehi nehi; oossko q hum politics me daalte? Iss ka matlab ye nehi, samajme dharm ka koi zarurat nehi hai. Albat hai. Lekin kiss hat tak, aur kaise? Iss ka jabab milne k liye firse vohi purana sawal karneka jarrurat hote - Sarkar ka kaam keya?Sarkar kaam, deshka jantaone haar wakt jo vastovik pereshaniya mushkilatme deen guzarte vo sab hatana. Jaise roti, rozi, nokri, shiksha, health, karobaar ...; ye saab kaam sahi tarikase karne k liye achcha policies banana, aur vo saab lagu karna. Ek achcha adhunik mulkme ekhi dharm k log nehi rahte. Sarkar sare dharm milkar jo aam janta baante oosko liye policies mutabek kaam karenge. Aur janta jo-jo dharm maante shanti k saath dusro ko nafrat karneke bagair apna dharm paalan karenge. Tabhi shanti ka samaj milte.
Ab aiyeji dusre sawalpe. Sarkar vo sare policies kaise karenge? Maine, karenge to kiss adharpe? Jaise agriculture, industry k liye policies karna padenge to vo koun dharm k adhar pe (Hindu dharm ka Ved Purana, Islam ka Quran, Isaiyoka Bible ..) karenge? Karnese keya koi faida milenge? Vo sare granthme keya iss bareme kuch likhkha hai? Nehi hai to, upko practical adharpehito karna padega? Ab uphi sochiyeji chaul, daal, gehu... ; aur industrial productions zada karne k liye upko koun dharm-granth ka sahara lena hoga? Aur ek example dete; upka betika zada bukhar chad gaiyee. Iss paristhitime keya up Pharmacy me jaakar bolenge, bhai mera betiki bahut bukhar, jaldi ek page Hindu Paracitamol dijiye? Ya fir bhai please jaldi kadke ek page Muslim Dispirin dijiye! Aisa kuch kahenge to tab keya bolenge dukandar? Jab koi bolenge, ye Hindu makan ka kirai kitna, tab keya sochenge vo log? Haa ye such, Hindustanka karigarone ghar/makan/dalan sundar karne k liye apna karukaj jarur karenge; lekin ghar banane k liye jo naap lenge, vo foot ho aur meter, jo v ho, vo sare duniyame ekhi hote. Hindu Foot, Muslim meter, Jain-Boudh inch kavi hotehi nehi. Jab Angrezone nehi aiya tab v jo naap lete vo haar dharm ka logoko makan banane k liye ekhi tha. To assalme upka parivarme harroz jo saman ka zarurat hote, vo dharm ka baat nehi, baat bazarka.
Zara thande demagse sochiyeji, upka saath mera koi dushmani hai keya? Na maine upko pehchanta, na up hamko. Tab v jab upne mera naam padenge, turant upko maanme yehhi khelenge, ye saale Musalmaan ek number ka harami, Hinduko janm dushman, issme shak karenge, to humko khatam hone se koi rook nehi paenge. Lekin upka Hinduttiya keya aise hinsa ka talim dete? Aise laagta nehi humko. Q k hamara bhashame hum mainly Hinduttiya ko pehchante do kavi k madhdhamse. Rabindranath Tegore aur Kavi Kazi Nazrul Islam. Tegore Hindu Musalmonoko beech santi kaem rakhne k liye Hindu culturese dono me “Rakhi Bandhan/Bhai” kiya. Aur Nazrul Islam, Hindu Mitholigy ka adharpe, Radha-Krishan ka prem ko glorify karne k liya itna ooche starpe kirtan, Shama sangeet (Shama ma k liye) aur nazm likhkha, jo kisi v naapse aam baat nehi. Mashur gaiyek Anup Jalotajine Nazrulji ka kuch gane gayia. Fursatme thoda dhiyan dekar sunenge, to up ko v zarur pata chalega vo sab kiss level ka geet hai. Netaji Shuvash Chandra Bosh jaise vishal hastiya keya khamokhai Nazrul ka “Durgama giri kaantaar moroo …” ko Hindustanka azadika gane manah?
Abtak hum jo bola vo koyee nayee baat nehi. Aur agese jo bolna chahta hai, vo up kahi vabishma k liye, upka pita-mata-beta-beti parivar samaj kehi heet k liye. Ye mai 105% dawi k saath bolneka himmat rakhte. To aiye thoda jaankari lete keya hai vo baat?
Keya up jaante India, Pakistan aur Bangladesh ye teeno mulk pratirakhsa/defense k liye haar saal kitney paisa kharch karte? Billion dollars. Iss haalme ek prosatav kalpana kijiyeji, ek reunion hua aur teen deshka sare borders mit giya, koi borders nehi rahega, tab keya honge? Jo mera logic kahte, very fast defense kharch kam-se-kam adha ho jaenge. Q K tab padosan desh ka vitar ek Chinahi rahe jaenge hoomki k hisab se. Ek khatsehi zada paisa bachenge jo janhit k liye haat khul k kharch karneka ek bade mouka milenge. Sarkar gaon me kaam karenge logo ko paisa milenge. Jab paisa milenge tab Gehu, Chaul k saath apna beti bohu k liye do leepstick v kharid karenge. Jaha leepstick Banate ooha do char labour ka jarurat hotehi honge. Aisehi to samaj k liye economy kaam karte. Khair, ek baat up khudhi sochoyeji, India + Pakistan + Bangladesh = Ye Akhand Hindustanme koun cheez ka kami hai? Sochkar upka dilkohi puchieji. Aur v baat hai, up jab ek honge tab Chinako himmat nehi honge Hindustan ko saath jabardasti karneka. Ek kahawat hai dushmanka dushman mitro ban jate. Jab up ek honge tab America, Europe aur sare advanced desh v oonko interest k liyehi upko saath khada honge. Baat yehi khatam nehi, jab India + Pakistan + Bangladesh = Indopakbengal = Adi Hindustan jo v kahiye honge, tab Adi Hindustan kudhhi mukhtar banneka laek ho jaenge. Hindustan ko suchchai aur imandarise call deneka takat honge. Bol payenge ao bhai sare saark desh ek jot hokar tarikhme pahlebar ek naiyee chapter khole, maine, Bhutan + Maldives + Nepal + Srilanka + Pakistan +India + Afghanistan + Bangladesh = Akhand Hindustan = Duniyaka tamaam deshse behtarin ek bhukhand, jaha haar cheez assanise milte. Lekin ye sare baat ek kalpana hai. Vaastavik me ye ek assmbhab prostavana se bagar aur kuch nehi. Lekin ye baat v to sahi hai, iss issuese har log kohi ek sawal karneka haq bante. Aur vo hai, ekathha nehi ho payenge ye to samajh liya, lekin q nehi ho paenge isska karan to zara bataiye sriman/janab? Issko do bade karan 1) Dharm, aur 2) Ati-Rasrtovad (Rashtrobaadka saath jab dharm aur dusrose nafrat jodte tab vo Ati-Rashtrovad baan jate. Jab logone khatreme padte tab, sahanubhuti nehi ooltaa dusre mulk ka logko maza milte. Iss tarah hinsa Ati-Rashtrovad k liye achcha hote lekin insaniyat k liye nehi ) Itihaas/ Tarikhko sahi dhangse dekhna hoga. Jo Europen countries sou-sou saal ek dusre ke saath yuoodh kiya kar te the, ab vo upka ankhoke saamne European union bana liya. Oonko pass demag hai to humko andar kuch nehi? Up keya upko boodhdhihin ooloo mante? Nehi maante to up v boliyeji - HUM KISSISE KAAM NEHI.
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All these "heroes" have been dead a long time and we're still paying for their blunders.
Blunders was devided muslims in three nations
Fact is that it was the nawabi n landowning elites n the educated Aligarh types that foresaw diminished importance in an independent India.
And saw a huge n juicy oppty in splitting the country on religious lines with a nicely concocted two-nation theory. This theory incidentally was RIPed when Bangladesh split less than 25 yrs later.
Jinnah was seen as the urbane, suave, articulate n charismatic face of this elite, whose designs were plain selfish n nefarious ab initio. He did a commendable job for them, got them their prized goal.
My view is that once the objective was achieved, he n his elite cohort had little or no clue on the next steps. That because the elites were busy in jockeying for spoils n positions of power, manipulating the fledgling system for maximum personal gains. Add the mullahs' demands n the chaos gets only more interesting.
Follow the sequence of events post 14 Aug 1947, and u will see the sense of what I am trying to state.
I am afraid that it is pretty much the same ethos in Pak till date.
what is his gender?
Male.
جناح صاب کو سیکولر ریاست بنانے کی ضرورت ہی کیا تھی ؟ ان کے پاکستان سے اچھی اور بہتر سیکولر ریاست انڈیا تھی اور ہے ۔ آپ اس سوال کا جواب دیں ۔
Very very misleading and out of context selections of Syed Moudoodi's writings and speeches with bad intent to damage the image of a renowned scholar of Islam who is also flag bearer of Islamisation in Pakistan. In fact these people are all out to create the anti-Islamic atmosphere in Pakistan and for this secularism suit them. It is not a random activity but a foreign funded service. Our neighbourer India values so much to such elements. These were the people behind the Women Day phenomena this year and the last year. In fact Taimur Rahman is nourished and brought up in the musical and secular environment with no touch of Islam. Rather hate against Islam has been instilled in his mind deliberately. He does not oppose Islamisation in the light of Quran and Sunnah but distortion of facts. These are very dangerous creatures for Islam and Pakistan. In fact these are the unfortunate people whose elders spent their lives in maligning Islam and Islamists because that was their livelihood. They were paid by their foreign masters. Taimur Rahman's tricky conversation speaks of this legacy. Why is he so against Jamaat-e-Islami and praises Jamiat-ul-Hind because this suits his secularist vision. In fact, despite the propaganda of these so-called intellectual professors, Syed Moudoodi's Jamaat-e-Islami is advancing the cause of Islamization in Pakistan and secular powers are on the decline so it is in the interest of Taimur Rahman and the like-minded to target religious people and religion so that they do not lose ratings and rewards abroad as anti Islam activists. More over he is taking courage to belittle the person of the Great Quaid-e-Azam and making him a controversial.
Most of the people like Gentle Raja has no idea what Islam is? I mean calling Moudoodi a Muslim is a disgrace of Islam. Just because some know little does not make him Muslim. Lets say that music is against Islam than why Allah gave such good voice to his prophet Solomon who use to sing and sing freely. So this Muslim like Raja does what Islam stand for actually I Raja is one of those Hindu who joined Islam to ghumra us like Mudododi
If this is true then India is secular. why they chalked out separate home land for muslims. In antagonism to Hindus, they not even partitioned Greater India but left the whole region in caos due to their populism.Islam is an assimilative religion. Islam was not in danger by Hindus. If Islam had been then it could not have spread or maintained its hegemony for hundreds of years in first instance. These politicans have done a great harm to the people of this land by their selfish interests and rhetoric including our Quaid.
Sir Syed ki soch hi sare jhagde ki jad thi.
mr so called ph.d teacher.. u quoated .. jinnah said .. nonsense it will be amodren stat not islamic state... u dont know actually a true islamic state is a modren state.. but ur eyes are closed for knowledge....
U r right he wanted secular pakistan ..
یہ کیسی مذہقہ خیز بات کرتا ہے کہ علامہ کا اس پر اثر ہی نئیں تھا حالاکہ اقبال وہ تھا جس کے کہنے پر وہ دوبارہ ہندوستان آنے کو رضامند ہوا اور جس نے اسےمسلم لیگ کا صدر بنوایا
یہ کہتا اقبال سے متاثر نئیں تھا
The ideology of Muslim league would be Islam what does he means by this you have shared all Indians nonsense because pakistan came into being in the name of islam not secularism if secularisim than why not united India why pakistan ?
Pervez Rind I have explained this in an other video.
Sorry i did not watch that I thought this video lack info that too but I may be wrong I’ll watch it thanks for reply
Jinnah was a Politican
Pakistan banne se kis ko fayda hoa Muslims. Hindu. Sikhs. Masih ?
Pakistan ne jogindharnath Mandal ke sath kya Kiya nahru /liyaqat karar Ka kya Kiya
سچ تو یہ ہے کہ ایم اے جناح مسلمانوں کا غدار تھا-
Bilkul
Politics like eating, sleeping, playing sports, driving a car , writing and email etc is a very non religious activity in essence. All very "worldly" activities as some might say. How ever Islam being a complete code of life provides it followers guidelines as to how to conduct themselves during the aforementioned activities and other so called worldly activities . I believe the Quaid understood this and made the statement that "religion and politics are not to be mixed" in this context.
ACTUALYL ISLAM WILL BE THE RELIGION OF STATE NOT OTHER RELIGION
Jinnah sb koi religious nahi tha. Wo totally westernised tha. Khalid bin saeed apni kitab Pakistan, the phormative Phase mein likha hy k us apni zindagi mein sirf aik dafa Namaz parhi aur wo bhi Eid ki Namaz. Jub India mein Khilafat Movement shroo hoi to Mr Jinnah ne es mein koi part play nahi Kia. Jub Gandhi ne kaha to app ne na sirf refuse Kia balke ese aik jazbati slogan kaha.
Muslim league bhi koi religious party nahi thi.
Mr Jinnah was champion of minority rights in India. He always talked about one third representation and rights of Muslims in all departments /services which Congress was not prepared to give. If they had agreed to these demands of Mr Jinnah, there would have been no Pakistan.
Jaswant Singh admitted that not Muslim league but Congress made Pakistan
o bhai itni c bat h islam men tamam aqlyto ko mazhabi azadi hasil h jasy madina mn th. ye secularism ka keera ptani kha se ajata h