Jinnah Contradictions in light of Sir Syed | Part 2
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- Опубліковано 9 сер 2018
- Part 2: Jinnah's contradictory statements on secularism and an Islamic system must be seen in the context of Syed Ahmed Khan's radical naturalist reinterpretation of Islam. Its central characteristic was its brutal criticism of Taqlid (which was continued by Iqbal). The Aligarh School not only deeply influenced the intellectual milieu of the Muslim League of the 1940s, it provided the intellectual justification (right or wrongly) for reconciling Islam with modernity, secularism, democracy, and scientific rationalism.
Hence, to turn Jinnah's statements into a justification for theocracy totally misrepresents how opposed he was to the Taqlidi ulema of his times. In contemporary Pakistan, however, when we talk of the imposition of an "Islamic system", it is sadly not Sir Syed interpretation of Islam that we refer to (most of the public is not even familiar with this interpretation). But the interpretation of the opponents of Sir Syed Ahmed Khan. It is the taqlidi and other orthodox ulema whose interpretation of Islam is put forward and sadly also accepted as the genuine Islam.
Have Syed Ahmed Khan, Iqbal and Jinnah lost in the grand project of reforming the Islamic intellectual tradition? Your thoughts...
I have always been amazed at the quality of researchers in LUMS. Such detached intellectual analysis of our past is absolutely necessary. When we study someone else's ideas, we do not immediately have to either support them or criticize them. Thank you, Dr. Rahman, for this analysis.
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We are not capable to understand the invisible matters of Almighty Allah I don't know who shaped the man Sir Syed Ahmed Khan
Today, I understand why Britain give Syed Ahmad Khan the title of "SIR".
Spot on
And same title was granted to Iqbal as well😉
You have yet to get to the point.
@@Thatbeautifulgirl5 guide why they were give the title of sir
@@Thatbeautifulgirl5 اے نبی! اپنی بیویوں سے اور اپنی صاحبزادیوں سے اور مسلمانوں کی عورتیں سے کہہ دو کہ وه اپنے اوپر اپنی چادریں لٹکا لیا کریں،اور اللہ تعالیٰ بخشنے واﻻ مہربان ہے
سوره احزاب آیات 59
Hello sir I am from India, I am an atheist, this is such a beautiful insightful lecture. Thank you so much.
WOW! Sir Sayed Ahmed Khan was an enlightened and logical being of his time. He was far ahead of his time. He seems a very logical person.
Sir make a video on Abul kalam azad and his predictions
Kalam was the only visionary person of that time....
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اے نبی! اپنی بیویوں سے اور اپنی صاحبزادیوں سے اور مسلمانوں کی عورتیں سے کہہ دو کہ وه اپنے اوپر اپنی چادریں لٹکا لیا کریں،اور اللہ تعالیٰ بخشنے واﻻ مہربان ہے
سوره احزاب آیات 59
Secularism is solely a Islamic concept even at the time of prophet (pbuh). Jinnah followed that kind of secularism, neither theocracy imposed by mullah nor extreme secularist views like Mustafa Kamal and other Western religious phobe leaders.
Secularism is islamic concept 😅I can't stop laughing 😅 fanatic islamic terrorist,Im secular 😅
It's really enlightening, Taimur sir. Your videos have huge impact and it has certainly altered the way I used to perceive things. Great job, sir. God bless you and I am hopeful that someday your videos will be guiding the many.
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The only person whom i can listen 24/7 . Mashallah
Very nice lecture ever delivered in Pakistan.
Thank you very for making an intellectual video with reference.
But at 21:55, the claim is made that Quaid-e-Azam's interpretation of Islam is based on the Islamic interpretation of Syed Ahmed Khan, but no reference was provided.
Similarly, at 23:19, Quaid's response was negative to scholars who were following TAQLEEDI approach towards religion.
If possible, please provide above mentioned references as it is the main part and climax of both the videos.
sayed ahmed khan and jinnah were highly secular and progressive..Md. Ali Jinnah was considered as the ambassador of Hindu Muslim unity in the 1920s.. But what made him change his mind is still a mystery.And not only Islam extremists but also Hindu extremists believe that darwin's theory is false . by the way, i am from Orissa and i really like your interpretations.
You are not vlongging the video but teaching the thousands of students about fact ... Thanks Sir Taimur for these Informative videos❤
Sir I m your top fan, but I'm really sorry that u couldn't manage to justice with the conflict ... Nonetheless, it was much informative.... U must have read that Jinnah was much impressed by iqbal's n azad's version of Islam. Moreover, Iqbal's view of Islam was totally opposite to sir syed's one.
You very clearly said in part-1 of your video that when Jinnah referred to Islam as a system for Pakistani state, he was influenced by Sir Syed and it would clarify the apparent contradiction in Jinnah's speeches. You did not touch upon. let alone prove, as to how Jinnah's Islamic content was informed by Sir Syed. Did Sir Syed ever talked about Sharia as basis of the constitution ? Or Sir Syed wanted a state based on Islamic Principles ? Where is the link between Sir Syed and Jinnah's speeches ? It means Jinnah talked about Islam based on his own understanding developed over the years.
I am pre.medical student. I didn't know anything about Pakistan Studies but now I am taking interest in Pakistan Studies😒😞💔💔
Lot of new things from M.A.Jinnah and Sir Syed Ahmed Khan. It's amazing. I don't know what to believe ! !
Sir you have solved one of my biggest questions, I have been swinging between leftist and rightist ideologies but now I am clear
Brother kia tha ?
Apki video dekhkar. Aisa Lag raha ki ab Muslims modern aur reform ho rahe. Hai yah ak achi Suruwat hai . I salute to you sir for good informational lecture.
While I admit this is an amazing interpretation of islam, I do see a few issues. 1)Thinking there is no difference between science and quran, and curtailing a philosophy in that way does not solve certain issues. Also, questionng Hadith and praising quran based on the idea that Hadihs were written later, makes the time, quran was written, auspicious and a fixed point in time. Which is a dangerous idea and that essentially imploded 2)The contradictions Jinnah had can mean another thing, as an enlightened "british" he wanted to rule a place, which again is a problem.
Personally I think Gandhi, Nehru and Jinnah had tons of issues and at the end Punjabis and Bengalis mainly had to bear the burden. We Bengalis are still bearing the burden in a fascist regime in the form of NRC!
I would like to hear from you about a few other things 1)How to interpret stalin 2) A note on partition 3) A note on Gandhi and Nehru 4)Why Pakistan became an islamist state and India is becoming a fascist nation 4) Is there any way we can achieve peace in the subcontinent, like say EU 5) What do you think about "On the eastern question" and Lenin's comment on Pan-islamism?
I love your videos and I seriously wish I had a chance to sit in your class, and that is one of the reason, I would be hating partition :-\ If only India and Pakistan had free passage and I could sit in your class without having to worry about a visa!
Quran is central to us dude.
I see no contradiction in Quran and modern world.
From India
@@kamranmahfooz12 good for you.
@@kamranmahfooz12 There are many contradictions as Islam is an old pagan religion
Really Very very informative sir G...
Unbelievable. He was a man of modern age. Salute from Bangladesh.
Ideology of Sir Syed Ahmed khan was very progressive and no doubt why he became so famous.
Thankyou so much for sharing his thoughts.
Thank you very much to help us in solving this confusion.
Earnest Salute from my heart for this great Soul.
Thank you so much for such enlightened information.
Stay blessed Sir 🙏❤️
Traditional Scholars issued 69 fatwas against Sir Syed.
And?
69 seems a nice number
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Well
it makes so much sense.sir u just cleared all the misconceptions and reservations i had about jinnah,and muslim league.thank u soooo much
Sir, I wish to meet you. Please let me know where is it possible? Outside India/ Pakistan off course.
Lahore nust university
qatal krna hai hamary teacher ko
Excellent, marvellous
Sir Sayyad Ahmad khan, the great, I salute you
Unho ny deen ko buhat noqsan ponchaya
It was not Syed Ahmad khan's fault. He had just overestimated science which was getting popular at that time.
He still is a great man.
Great lecture....👌👌
Gamdhi sahab has written a lot against perwez and sir Syed rahimhullah -
Taimur must hear javid Gamdhi or read his book Meezan
Sahe bol rhy Ho...
Ghamdi sab is a good scholar but its not neccessarily right everytime.
Why are you praising syed ahmed by giving him the title of rehmatullah ?
@@thehumorousfilms3525 kia sach ma Gamdi sab ny rahamtula Likha ha ?
Majority of Muslims Opposed the Partition of India
The majority of Muslims opposed the division of India, which is evident from the fact that most Muslims ultimately did not migrate to Pakistan and stayed back in their homeland (India). Muslim leaders who opposed the partition of India continue to be ignored or misrepresented, which confirms that a false history is being taught.
Original version of Hinduism is"Arya Samaj" which was revived in your West Punjab
I think when Quran says "Who believe in the unseen will be successful in Akhirah". So why people relate it to science.
Science deals with matter only not with the unseen things.
Islam never rejects science and science never discussed religion.
So these are different terms people can go on with both with no issues.
Long year before I was searching this history very well... Thanks a lot from India
Occam's razor Dr.Rahman; the cleaner explanation is that the contradiction lies within Sir Syed's thought as well, & the simple reason is that his priority was Muslim loyalty to the British within a separation from Hindus, not a consistent political philosophy.
I, studied at Aligarh Muslim University. Hindu, used to study in complete safety. In, many courses like m.b.b.s.and engineering non Muslim students out numbered Muslims. It, was a good place to study.
Umda explain kia hy prof sb
Good Lecture.
Sir can you please give us the referencenes in the form of links or please specify the names of books or other material in which all these things are written.
Bahe ghulam ahmad pervaiz k lectures youtube per mojood hen sun lo
Great source of knowledge
Kindly boks ka Nam btaien jaha y sab likha Howa hai or page mention Kar dain pls plz
Hi Sir, i really like your way of teaching, you are a great inspiration.
Which book should i read to study Sir Syed comprehensively ?
Golden lecture sir!
If sir syed is in this era most of his research has gone to a point where quran and science met
I am student of physics . I like you because your work is very helpful to abolish superstitions set in our surrounding densily
Carry on God bless you
Sir..what is the name of this book ..from which u have taken the lecture
Sir Syed Ahmad khan not only reject the Ahadees but also contradicted the Quran in his writings.... Because the existence of Jinnat, Hazrat Ibrahim a.s thrown in fire, Hazrat Musa's a.s miracle of stick , Hazrat Isa a.s birth without Father all are described in the Holy Quran.
Kia app sir sayed ki books k name beta sekty hain..I wanna to read please,,,
sir me phr bhi puchna chahta hu ap kia smajte hein sir syed ahmed khan ke barey me.
“And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: ‘I am going to create a human (Adam) from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud. So when I have fashioned him and breathed into him (his) soul created by Me, then you fall down prostrate to him.” (Quran 38:71-72)
The great sir syed ahmed khan
In Pakistan, the foundation for fundamentalism, extremism, and hate towards non-Muslims was laid by the All-India Muslim League. If you are unsure on this point, read the types of slogans that the Muslim League used and what their leaders and supporters stated to gain support for the partition of India (and creation of Pakistan). Pakistanis still shy away from accepting the truth. -Nasim Yousaf, November 07, 2018
What is the source that sir Syed ahmed khan said all this?
THANK you sir you have cleared my ambiguities
Excellent.......love it!
I would to comment on symbolic representation of Quran the idea given by Syed Ahmed Khan.
Sir, you have mentioned at 6:17 that Syed Ahmed Khan started looking at Holy Quran from new perspective, that is symbolic representation of Holy Text.
I found this point interesting so thought I should share it with you and learn from your feedback/ suggestion/ comment.
The idea of viewing Holy Text as symbols particularly prepositions or descriptions is first started with Charch who were Kristian Philosophers who were unable to philosophically prove the existence of God so during the Reynaisaaance period. So, they realised that philosophical ideas adopted from Greeeek Philosophy is not going to help them prove philosophical or logical basis of their religion so they finally came up with symbolic representation of Holy Text. It helped Charch during Reynaisaaance period to convince that religion is still relevant.
Syed Ahmed Khan got this idea from them and used similar interpretation of Islam. So, it was not a new approach. It was done previously couple of centuries ago by Kristian Preeest Philosophers. However, it doesn't mean there is no symbolic text in Holy Quran. It is there to but exceptional (which is also supported by intellect) not general. Quran is a book of Haq (reality), not symbolism.
So, it was natural for scholars at that time and at this time, to show their response because it was coming from Kristian school of thoughts, may be modern interpretation of Holy Bybal.
This is how I understand.
Wanted to share background of symbolic representation of Holy Text.
Thankyou so much !
Well done. Continue with the topic so that you could educate the people!!! Take care!!
Please make videos on Bartand Russell , please make
Wow...You make things really easy.One question is badly stuck in my mind that how sir Syed could interpret quranic verses that way?He didn't see or observe all that to comment with such surity.Few verses are clear cut mentioned and they can't be just metaphors.
U can get ans by molana ishaq
Great research
Sir koi books bata dein
Sir Syed ki jaha ye sare points detail me milein
Jinnah said Muslims cannot live with Hindus, and still he can be called secular? Congress was secular not Muslim League, ML was a communal party.
Sir with huge respect your information about Ghamidi sb is incomplete.
Why Pakistan did not recreate Aligarh Muslim University in Pakistan like India recreated Punjab University and many other institutions after partition?
Salute to you, Taimurbhai.
Wow I am amazed k ajkal k zamanay mein 1 reformer ka rehna itna mushkil hai magar Sir nay us zamanay mein Islam ko reform kia or Quran ki taseer likhi. Matlab agar hum sab log ikhatay ab bhi hojayen to Mullon ka khatma kar saktay hain jaisay us time pay Sir nay kia
🌹🌹 Brilliant analysis 👍🏼🌹
Aur ziada confuse karny ka shukria🙏.
Jab hum Aristotle or Socrates ki sayings per believe kr lety hn per Hadith per per believe kerny ma kia masla ha ???
یہ تو معاملہ وہی ہوا جو اج عمران خان کے ساتھ ہے۔۔۔۔ ایک طرف مدینہ کی ریاست اور دوسری طرف عملی زندگی۔۔۔۔!
Sir Syed actually promoted the esoteric interpretation of Islam which exists since the time of Prophet Muhammad and a small sect in Islam have been practicing it since the last 1400 years .
Thank you sir for enlightened me..
قرآن اور حدیث برابر کی حیثیت نہیں ہے، قرآن واضع طور پر حدیث سے افضل ہے
Ejaz Ahmed Rizvi I agree.
Suggestion: Sir you should maintain your blog or a website as well. Archives can be organised topic wise etc. And more significant thing is that you should ask people to subscribe the channel so they could become the members of this community. It would be a pleasure if I could create an Intro or outro with your background voice.
NICE ONE
Iam student of aligarh muslim university he was great educationist
100 %good analysis Agree with you sir
Very nice
Sir Karl marks ki political thoughts pe b video banao???
thanks a lot explaining so well
Well explained
Sir plz recommends book
sir har bar kr trah great
Well explained brother
Great sir...
That's just the personal interpretation of sir syed based on his philosophical thoughts he judges Islamic views on the bases of science instead of judging science on Islamic laws, his example is just like a Sufi who through oil lamp reached to the destination but his followers lost in the path
Ahmadiyya Muslim Community also believes in the same ideology of Islam regarding the role of religion and state.
For reference:
"Similarly, the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is the only Islamic organization to endorse a separation of mosque and state."
www.alislam.org/library/ahmadiyya-muslim-community/
If you listen to the Q&A with the 4th caliph of AMC you can understand other concepts of Islam which are more or less similar than what you mentioned but there is a significant difference i.e the second coming of Messiah and arrival of Imam Mehdi.
Ahmadiyya Muslim Community played a vital role in the creation of Pakistan and Allama Iqbal's use to follow the same school of thought as well. Quaid-e-Azam also use to take suggestions from Ahmadiyya communities second caliph through Sir Zafarullah Khan.
All the he things he said had a source but in the end when he establishes the link of sir syed with Jinnah was totally lacking in source. In my opinion, it is his own belief that Jinnah was influence by Syed But real thing is Jinnah was perfect Politician and good politician knows how to engages his followers. After the two nation theory a lot of people have doubts so he disseminated his messages according to his audience. He praises about Islamic principles and motivated those having strong Islamic ideologies and as sub continent is diverse in nature, so he tried to influence other communities in the light secular ideas... So I guess we shouldn't give any wrong interpretation to his ideologies
What to follow of such a person who is unequivocally rejecting Quranic verses. A question to so called real thinkers of Islam, that, 57 islamic states are wrong as per their doctrine ?
Resounding success
Sir aap se be inteha moddebana darkhawast hai ki gulam ahmed parvez or unki thought pr bhi ek video zaroor banayye
Stuff knowledge sir...
Kindly Water Crisis pr bhi video bnae.
Dear sir, please quote the source on Sir Syed's radical views???
Please quote the source on you are syed
👍 thanks sir!
I LOVE YOU 😍 SIR. SYED AHMAD KHAN ♥
Wo deen ko noqsan ponchany waly thy