Very well explained. Here’s the situation; Muslims, or any other minority in a community, understands the importance of secular values in a society. Even the Muslims of Pakistan support secularism when they migrate to a non-Muslim country. They do it in principle, though they may not be aware of it. Unfortunately they refuse to accept this in Pakistan. I agree though that it is mostly due to their misunderstanding of the term and to some extent their hypocrisy.
False. Just because they "support secularism" in another country in not hypocrisy. Let me divide this into two points. 1- They don't "support secularism" it's what they get and thus will make sure to get the liberties that it gives (which are inline with the Islamic ideology). This does not mean they agree with the ideology but that they have to submit to it as "the law of the land" 2- It's only natural that a person would think of his/her benefits. For example any Muslim India would want a secular India over a hindhu nationalist India. But this does not mean they would not want a Islamic India over a secular India. It's just that it's the a realistic possibilty and thus something is better than nothing
Sir assalam o alikum I love your videos a lot. I learnt much from this channel. It opened the doors of my brain. It led me to think in a new way. My thinking was radical, anti-development of society, conservative and much more. I did not want to listen and a talk about a single word about secularism, communism, nationalism and liberalism etc. But after knowing their meanings and explanations now I don't debate against them in gathering with friends. Sir keep your struggle in the same way. I am enjoying your videos a lot because I am preparing for CSS exam. I also request you to make videos on IR Topics. It would help me and other more students. Thank you sir.
Great sir... Here in india we call it 'positive secularism' or 'Hindustaniat' - secularism & humanism(insaniyat/ manavata) in the land of religions and religious being... Thanks sir .. really I love watching
Taimur saheb, keep this going. We can all be religious, if we want to, but the state shouldn't. Love from Allahabad. Most of the maulvis in India ACTUALLY believe in secularism in my experience. They value the love and harmony between Hindus and Hindis (muslims). I love my Pakistani people but just like the state of Israel, it seems like it was a 'psy-op' by the Brits in order to keep India divided and stressed ad infinitum.
The Maulvis believe in secularism because the Muslims are a minority. If Muslims were the majority, these maulanas without any doubt would advocate the implementation of Sharia law. Maulanas are no different from the right wing Hindus, just that in the latter case they want a Hindu state instead of an Islamic one.
@@meetshah1892 secularism for Indian maulanas mean freedom to give triple talak, freedom to have 4 wives, freedom to have sharia courts etc Taimoor Rahman is taking whatever these maulanas say at face value and hailing them as preachers of secularism which is extremely stupid! Even RSS leader Mohan Bhagwat said that Hindutva is incomplete without muslims. Hence proved RSS is secular!
Great vid as always, sir! I was wondering if you planned on making another vid on PTI and economics of Naya Pakistan. I’d love to hear your thoughts now that another year has past.
Dear Sir, I realized one thing that when u r in a condition with less power then u can make accord with groups which we normally consider a rivalry like in misaq e Medina. But when u r in power then u can implement Islamic codes.
The reason Indian Jamaat is emphasizing so much on secularism and constitutionalism is because they are smaller in numbers. Had they been a majority in India they would have demanded nothing short of Shariya laws. This is just a survival tactic
Mullah and hypocrisy are synonymous, they love secularism in India and abhore the same in Pakistan, and their argument in support of their double standards is that Indian constitution is secular whereas Pakistan constitution is Islamic.
@md kaifiReally Muslim persecution in India?? Look at the persecution of minorities in Pakistan. www.uscirf.gov/news-room/releases-statements/uscirf-troubled-denial-food-aid-pakistani-hindus-and-christians gulfnews-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/gulfnews.com/amp/opinion/op-eds/rape-of-5-year-old-marwa-and-a-mother-of-three-in-pakistan-the-cycle-of-unimaginable-cruelty-continues-1.1599826215652?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=16018924763648&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fgulfnews.com%2Fopinion%2Fop-eds%2Frape-of-5-year-old-marwa-and-a-mother-of-three-in-pakistan-the-cycle-of-unimaginable-cruelty-continues-1.1599826215652 www.dawn.com/news/1378009 www-samaa-tv.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.samaa.tv/news/2020/08/karachi-lyari-pre-partition-hindu-temple-demolished/amp/?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=16018925767289&_ct=1601892646649&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.samaa.tv%2Fnews%2F2020%2F08%2Fkarachi-lyari-pre-partition-hindu-temple-demolished%2F www.dawn.com/news/1098452 www-voanews-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.voanews.com/south-central-asia/pakistani-police-demolish-mosque-minority-ahmadi-sect?amp&usqp=mq331AQRKAGYAfvro6uEorusoAGwASA%3D&_js_v=a2&_gsa=1#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.voanews.com%2Fsouth-central-asia%2Fpakistani-police-demolish-mosque-minority-ahmadi-sect%3Famp%23referrer%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com www.dawn.com/news/791491/125-christian-houses-burnt-over-blasphemy These articles are from Pakistani, Gulf and American Newspapers not from Indian sources. Now would you condemn these incidents like we Indians condemned the destruction of Babri Mosque. As an Indian I have the courage to stand out against the injustice done to my people. Would you speak up against the injustice done to Asia Bibi??Does it not break your heart when you hear these incidents in your country?? After all as you just said we are humans at the end of the day I am just asking you.
@@nitishsaxena1372 what if state forces secularism on you??? That should not happen in india but also shouldn't be happening in Pakistan!!! Balance that.
Fabulous ! Explanation Sir , if I'm not a part of political science but to lesson your's lectures that made my mind very comprehensive and extensive . Sir a big groud of appluases for you . I'm a literary my mean that , doing English literature .
Hi Sir, thanks for explaining. I have a question. if definition of 'secularism' is something that you explained then on the base of this, in secular state definitions of majority/minority need to be different. I mean why then we characterise groups on the base of religion and count them as minority and majority, if religion has no relation with state
Sir plz elaborate the word "independence" in the text that you attributes to the JUH. Which independence was took place that time in 1919 at which muslims were supposed to entered upon contract with Hindus??????? Plz i am not getting the point properly
Sir plz discuss this topic in detail in pakistan context. And how to deal with serious issues as well as the Objective Resolution..we as lay man and being as muslims are unable ti disentangle the intricate relationship between islam, a religion of complete code of conduct of life, and secularism.. How can we make a law repugnant to islamic injunctions. I am not radical Islamist nor i object secularism.
And in India the case may be of the majority and the minority. However in pakistan the case is opposite. Moreover, the Treaty of madina was of wholly different nature.
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Taimur bhai ap ne bari achi tara explain kia ha .way of your speaking is impressive. mera sawal ye ha ke dunyia ki aik maroof secular state ne halia dino ma aik khas mazhab ku target kerte huwe ju initiative lia ha us ku tu aik side pe kerden lakin bad ma France ke PM ka reply ju show ker raha ha ke politics aur religion is not separated yet in France and according to their law all citizens regardless of their origin, race or religion are treated as equals before the law and respecting all religious beliefs. Laws tu hamare ider bhi bohat se bana howe han. muje umeed ha ke ap muje is ke bare ma guide karen gae ke kia masla ha aur kiun kisi bhi ur secular state ne aur kisi secular shask ne ye tak nahi kaha ke ye galat ha aur france secularism ku badnam ker raha ha, take ma un logo ku bata sakon ju ab muj se hanste howe pochte han ke kahan gae secular ?.
@@sagarlohana1989 he’s a Marxist. His entire reasoning behind these videos is to educate Pakistanis and establish secular socialist republic. And hey, did you know Pakistani Hindus have grown at a faster pace than Indian Hindus. Here in my city, Karachi (though I’m an ethnic Baloch from Quetta), you’ll find over a 100 Hindu temples? Don’t listen to your times now or Republic TV/Bharat, actually look from the civil perspective.
@@mul-el3657 100 temples in karachi. Please share link (that being said from a reliable source). Anyway let's believe it without link/evidence for now but still I don't even want to start thinking what a horrible condition the mandirs will be in. I've seen images of mandirs in Pakistan or to put it more correctly the renovated mandirs of Pakistan and its just awful. Your talking about 100 so called temples in karachi well not even in a hundred years will karachi have a temple like delhi has a mosque like jama mosque or like taj-ul in bhopal. Just the construction of one (and first) mandir in islamabad shaked entire Pakistan and slogans that 'deen khatrey M hai' and then fake people like you talking big and trying to make out as if Pakistan is just as secular and liberal as most western countries and like India.
Taimur sb, I would nudge you towards Irfan Ahmad's Islamism and Democracy in this regard. That will tell you why we should not be surprised. JIH and similar postures by other organisations is what political theory mandates when it is set in motion in its interaction with the state. I am sure you will also incorporate a more nuanced analysis that has come in the wake of the works of Tala Asad, Saba Mahmood etc Humeira Iqtedar too has worked in the context of Pakistan. thanks.
Yes, I have same views but,does secular mean to adopt modernim(western culture) which pollute our indigenous culture? Does secular mean to put your religious golden teachings set aside and follow trending and modern clothes, life style and hate religious intelligentsia etc? Secular model of democracy in Turkey during Ataturk era, promoted the real meaning but also introduced measures to eliminate the orthodox concept of wearing religious outfits and a man was not allowed to have religious affiliations etc. Plz help me to clear my query. I will wait for your reply with agog. Thanks.
What happend in Turkey is termed as kemalism which means to develop you need to modernise and westernise both. Definately you dont need to westernise in order to modernise.
Sir, most of the time, we've listened to the argument that our Prophet (P.B.U.H) connected religion and politics to form the Riyasat-e-Madina. So, what's the counter-narrative for it?
Handing power to clergy in Pakistan today is tantamount to giving power to people strongly associated with the Jagirdari nizam. That will roll back the wheel of history.
Whaaa Dabur Duz kardiya mulaaO ko💖💖💖😘 Please tell about Iran Make some video about it It seems theocratic state But it is giving rights to all religion in its parliament they have seats Plus we don't see proper capitalism or communism being followed there Please put some light on it
Sir bat yeh hy keh yaha secularism ki rejection pe kuch ulema ki dukan chal rahi hy. India me agr aisa na karen to inki being khatre me par jaigi.... Waha us ki acceptance zaroorat hy wqt ki.
Great lecture 👍 Your definition about secularism is correct but Indian state is not deal with the same concept of French secularism Indian government can interrupt between Religion & state if law & order is concerned, like triple talaq case, Masjids locked due to pandemic etc. Today I knew about My Indian Ulemas great thoughts about secularism because of you I still can't believe on My ears🤩 that they are so much liberal. Thanks a ton sir 💐😇
The ulemas are not liberal. They say this because India is not a Muslim majority state. If they could implement Sharia law in India, they would. They are no different than the right wing Hindus who want a Hindu state.
Secularism toh atheism nahi hai mangaya...lekin Modi ko support karna, aur Masjido ko band karne meh khusi manana pakka Mulhideen hai. Aise larkiyo ke bacche bhi mulhid hote hai ya kissi aur mazhab ko follow karte hai. Aap apne iman ko mazbuut rakkhe
I think Taimur issues you raised, btw very well, can only be termed as “Pakistani Islam” a concoction of a class that wants to perpetually rule the poor masses of this artificial country.
I understand you put titles in English for search results but could you please add an indicator for the actual language spoken during the video? As another question Janis varoufakis is suggesting some kind of global protest about the treatment of Julian Assange. I was thinking peoples of the world could boycott something British and America. Gandhi made salt... what do you think would be an effect area to protest the Assange case? A world boycott of British and American telecommunications services? I'm just thinking the boycott should relate to Assange in some way...
The language used is Urdu/Hindustani for mainly Pakistani and Indian audiences. Comrade Taimur is from Pakistan so his content usually addresses regional and local issues which in this case is incorrect understanding of Secularism among Pakistani Ulema (religious scholars).
@@Taimur_Laal it's ok. Do you have any thoughts on an effective Assange Protest? I think its clear only the people organising will be able to save him now. Well what's left of him after the torture and God knows what else the British and American establishments are doing to him. I don't want to put you on the spot just idea hunting, I think a global peoples boycott but I'm still not sure what would be most effective....
Although your analogies are very well thought but direct comparison with across the border is not correct, plus you cannot compare Christianity & Islam , the political aspirations in Islam are not that same as in Christianity
Interesting video, but honestly I don't agree with your interpretation of secularism. It is understandable you want to present something in a more acceptable way for Pakistani viewers. But if you want to do justice to the topic, you should discuss all the broader aspects associated with secularism. I would quote two main sources here which can give the readers a true definition of secularism: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism Secularism may refer to any worldview or principle which defines the secular at a given context, and prioritizes, justifies or promotes it over the non-secular.[1][2] "Secularism" has a broad range of meaning. While its definition as the separation of religion from civic affairs and the state is the most common,[3] it may connote anticlericalism, atheism, naturalism, banishment of religious symbols from the public sphere and much more. As a philosophy, secularism seeks to interpret life on principles taken solely from the material world, without recourse to religion. It shifts the focus from religion towards "temporal" and material concerns. . . Secularism may be categorized into two types, "hard" and "soft". "Hard" secularism considers religious propositions to be epistemologically illegitimate and seeks to deny them as much as possible. The "soft" variety emphasizes tolerance and liberalism.[9] www.britannica.com/topic/secularism Secularism, any movement in society directed away from otherworldliness to life on earth. Yes, you can twist the interpretation, make it compatible with religion, but in essence, secularism is in direct conflict with religion or any system based on divine inspiration.
Of course atheists are secular. But not all secular people are atheists. Hence, my criticism that those who equate secularism with atheism are incorrect stands. Plus I’m not trying to make things palatable. But I am trying to culturally contextualise them.
Sir you are taking what they say on face value! If you listen to offical BJP statements, they sound as sweet and as progressive as these statements by some ulemas! Secularism for Indian ulemas mean freedom to have 4 wives, give triple talak, have sharia courts! I too am against modi and bjp but please don't try to secularise Indian ulemas and maulanas in western sense! They are as bad as pakistani ulemas or as good if you think otherwise!
In jamaton me kaion ko secularism tab yad aaya jab Jinnah inhen marane ke liye Hindustan me chhod gaye. Inki kismat se Congress ek secular party thi aur Hindustani itane khunkhar nahin the. Phirbhi ye jamatain Jinnah ke pas ray leni gayi ki ab kya karain. Jinnah ne direction di ki tum Muslim religious parties bane raho, jabaki Maulana Azad ne unhen secular party, Congress ko join karane ki salah di thi. Aaaj Pakistan me 30 % se do tin % non Muslim hain. Bankiyon ko markat ke bhaga diya. Jabki Bharat me Muslim ka % dugana ho gaya hai. Political Islam ne mulku ko two-nation theory ke base par banta hai ya vahan problem khadi ki hain.
jis mazhab ki base p ap log riyasat c deen ko alehda krna chahty hain wo dusry incomplete deen hain na k Deen Islam, ye ek mukammal Zabta e Hayaat h r is main har kisi k haqooq darj hain,hamain un ko practice main lana h,(asal masla rule of law na hone ka h,na k rules ko change krne ka Dear Doctor sab).
You missed the point that being secular is beneficial when in minority and when in majority you have to give rights to the minority. We have to come out of bigotry.
Sir, you are good in political philosophy but you can never apply it principles to shariah. Secularism: ulema dislike in Pakistan bcz it is going to be true Islamic state. Support to secularism in India bcz Muslim are minority.
What I have read about secularism is different from your narrative. Secularism emerged in west against the dominance of religious dogmas and interference with rationality and later used in different settings and orders to suit their environment. Though the secularism narrated by you is good for all human beings and Muslims too but the tolerance without the name of secularism had been in practice in the state of Madina at prophet (pbuh) time in Islamic history. Moreover, this jamat e hind no good for Muslims in India.
@@khizerliam9776 west separates religion from state altogether while here secularism means justly and equally treating the believers of all religions while practicing one's own and that is farce in reality.
@@naturegirl4803 that is the natural culmination of it.when you are going to leave out religion from legislation you get separation of religion and state and if you do mix the two then by definition you will be creating different classes of people based on their religious Identity and that's what is described in this video,watch it properly....you can never have secularism (of any defination) if you wish to involve religion in legislative processes neither you can attain equality in any meaningful way...
@@khizerliam9776 the interpretations by different Islamic scholars build different discourses for people in Muslim world and people get convinced to their understanding and mental capacity. While the true meaning lies in Quran. Nevertheless Quran gives own standard and criteria for understanding life without the neo developed word like secularism.
there is different context here in India, here secularism is just a saving from hindu rashtra, here BJP wanted to impose hindu laws in muslim personal things, that's why here in India we support secularism, here in India there is laws prevalent in our contexts that discriminate on the basis of religion, like quota, citizenship law etc etc,
اگر کوئی لبرل سیکولر ریاست بناے اور اس میں کسی ایک مذہب کی تعلیمات کے خلاف چلا جائے تو اس کی اجازت ہے،اس کو استحقاق ہے،لیکن مذہبی ریاست اپنے فیور میں کوئی قانون بنائے تو اسے استحقاق نہیں؟کیا یہ منصفانہ بات ہے؟
Maulana wo bhi secular. Aapko india ke musalmano ka secularism ke liye pyar hai kyonki hindu abhi 80 % hain. Agar kal ko hindu 50% se kam ho jaayein to inki language kya hogi is mamle par ye to sab jaante hi hain. 😇
Don't you think these religious figures are taking such a stand at a time in india , where if you utter anything about their religious would get easily trolled or called a kind of terrorist. The same ulemas would have taken an overtly religious stand and invoked the prowess of their God. Also don't you know that political stand is taken by parties or religious groups purely based on numerical strength? The true intent of politicians is known only when they have the power to rule or when they the power to dictate it.
Very well explained. Here’s the situation; Muslims, or any other minority in a community, understands the importance of secular values in a society. Even the Muslims of Pakistan support secularism when they migrate to a non-Muslim country. They do it in principle, though they may not be aware of it. Unfortunately they refuse to accept this in Pakistan. I agree though that it is mostly due to their misunderstanding of the term and to some extent their hypocrisy.
False. Just because they "support secularism" in another country in not hypocrisy. Let me divide this into two points.
1- They don't "support secularism" it's what they get and thus will make sure to get the liberties that it gives (which are inline with the Islamic ideology). This does not mean they agree with the ideology but that they have to submit to it as "the law of the land"
2- It's only natural that a person would think of his/her benefits. For example any Muslim India would want a secular India over a hindhu nationalist India. But this does not mean they would not want a Islamic India over a secular India. It's just that it's the a realistic possibilty and thus something is better than nothing
@@burhanahmad2825so we should forcefully convert all Muslims in non Muslims countries because they have this secret agenda? 🤔
Sir assalam o alikum
I love your videos a lot. I learnt much from this channel. It opened the doors of my brain. It led me to think in a new way. My thinking was radical, anti-development of society, conservative and much more. I did not want to listen and a talk about a single word about secularism, communism, nationalism and liberalism etc. But after knowing their meanings and explanations now I don't debate against them in gathering with friends.
Sir keep your struggle in the same way. I am enjoying your videos a lot because I am preparing for CSS exam.
I also request you to make videos on IR Topics. It would help me and other more students.
Thank you sir.
It is very brave of you to admit to your faults. Few people can do that.
Great sir...
Here in india we call it 'positive secularism' or 'Hindustaniat' - secularism & humanism(insaniyat/ manavata) in the land of religions and religious being...
Thanks sir .. really I love watching
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Kashmiriyat bhi jod deta isme. Jahan teachers ko hindu sikh hone ke karan alag karke maar diya gaya.
We need to support people who support pluralism. Indian Ulemas who support Secularism need support.
And those ulema of Pakistan who call islami mulk Pakistan need to be chopped
Taimur saheb, keep this going. We can all be religious, if we want to, but the state shouldn't. Love from Allahabad. Most of the maulvis in India ACTUALLY believe in secularism in my experience. They value the love and harmony between Hindus and Hindis (muslims). I love my Pakistani people but just like the state of Israel, it seems like it was a 'psy-op' by the Brits in order to keep India divided and stressed ad infinitum.
The Maulvis believe in secularism because the Muslims are a minority. If Muslims were the majority, these maulanas without any doubt would advocate the implementation of Sharia law. Maulanas are no different from the right wing Hindus, just that in the latter case they want a Hindu state instead of an Islamic one.
@@meetshah1892 secularism for Indian maulanas mean freedom to give triple talak, freedom to have 4 wives, freedom to have sharia courts etc
Taimoor Rahman is taking whatever these maulanas say at face value and hailing them as preachers of secularism which is extremely stupid!
Even RSS leader Mohan Bhagwat said that Hindutva is incomplete without muslims. Hence proved RSS is secular!
Read surah maida sir esp ayah number 44 to 47 don't see these so called scholars from jih anf jamiath
It's prayagraj now farooqui ji
Thank you so very much for covering this topic. Loving more from you in India about India and politics
Secularism in INDIA 💜❤️😘🥰💋💗😇🤩
Secularism in Pakistan 💩🤭🤢🤮🤧🤕😷😡
-50 shades of Ullema
Read "Faith based violence and Deobandi militancy in Pakistan" by Jawad Syed, Edwina Pio and Tahir Kamran.
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Great vid as always, sir!
I was wondering if you planned on making another vid on PTI and economics of Naya Pakistan. I’d love to hear your thoughts now that another year has past.
Dear Sir,
I realized one thing that when u r in a condition with less power then u can make accord with groups which we normally consider a rivalry like in misaq e Medina. But when u r in power then u can implement Islamic codes.
Thank you sir ap ny concept clear kr dea & ap ka smjhany ka mathed bhi exclent hy
Good see that you people are talking about we Indian Muslims.
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Taimur Sir please start adding keywords to you videos so that more people can find them.
Ghungroo seth🤔😁😄??
really??hahaha. you are great sir.
The reason Indian Jamaat is emphasizing so much on secularism and constitutionalism is because they are smaller in numbers. Had they been a majority in India they would have demanded nothing short of Shariya laws. This is just a survival tactic
True. But a survival tactic that proves that secularism preserves the freedom of religious worship.
@@Taimur_Laal
He's a closet Sanghi.
Mullah and hypocrisy are synonymous, they love secularism in India and abhore the same in Pakistan, and their argument in support of their double standards is that Indian constitution is secular whereas Pakistan constitution is Islamic.
@md kaifiReally Muslim persecution in India?? Look at the persecution of minorities in Pakistan.
www.uscirf.gov/news-room/releases-statements/uscirf-troubled-denial-food-aid-pakistani-hindus-and-christians
gulfnews-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/gulfnews.com/amp/opinion/op-eds/rape-of-5-year-old-marwa-and-a-mother-of-three-in-pakistan-the-cycle-of-unimaginable-cruelty-continues-1.1599826215652?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=16018924763648&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fgulfnews.com%2Fopinion%2Fop-eds%2Frape-of-5-year-old-marwa-and-a-mother-of-three-in-pakistan-the-cycle-of-unimaginable-cruelty-continues-1.1599826215652
www.dawn.com/news/1378009
www-samaa-tv.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.samaa.tv/news/2020/08/karachi-lyari-pre-partition-hindu-temple-demolished/amp/?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=16018925767289&_ct=1601892646649&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.samaa.tv%2Fnews%2F2020%2F08%2Fkarachi-lyari-pre-partition-hindu-temple-demolished%2F
www.dawn.com/news/1098452
www-voanews-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.voanews.com/south-central-asia/pakistani-police-demolish-mosque-minority-ahmadi-sect?amp&usqp=mq331AQRKAGYAfvro6uEorusoAGwASA%3D&_js_v=a2&_gsa=1#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.voanews.com%2Fsouth-central-asia%2Fpakistani-police-demolish-mosque-minority-ahmadi-sect%3Famp%23referrer%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com
www.dawn.com/news/791491/125-christian-houses-burnt-over-blasphemy
These articles are from Pakistani, Gulf and American Newspapers not from Indian sources. Now would you condemn these incidents like we Indians condemned the destruction of Babri Mosque. As an Indian I have the courage to stand out against the injustice done to my people. Would you speak up against the injustice done to Asia Bibi??Does it not break your heart when you hear these incidents in your country?? After all as you just said we are humans at the end of the day I am just asking you.
@md kaifi secularism means the state should be secular, it doesn't necessitates the citizens to be secular in their personal lives.
@@nitishsaxena1372 what if state forces secularism on you??? That should not happen in india but also shouldn't be happening in Pakistan!!! Balance that.
I am your fan Sir since 5 years good to see you on UA-cam :)
Great job... good definition of secularism...
Sir please make Playlists . So we can easily find tour videos on specific topic
Oh that was shocking to know. Thanks for give us ilm . ❤
Really liked your new expression with mixed sarcasm 🤩
Fabulous ! Explanation Sir , if I'm not a part of political science but to lesson your's lectures that made my mind very comprehensive and extensive .
Sir a big groud of appluases for you .
I'm a literary my mean that , doing English literature .
Very good sir, issi tarah videos banaya karein khaas kr css pey, q k hum LUMS mey tou nahi ja saktey. Sir please just focus on css related videos.
❤️Secularism
❤️Indo-Pak Brotherhood
❤️Socialism
Where r u from?
@@ANUP_YADAV830 Pakistan
Hi Sir, thanks for explaining.
I have a question.
if definition of 'secularism' is something that you explained then on the base of this, in secular state definitions of majority/minority need to be different. I mean why then we characterise groups on the base of religion and count them as minority and majority, if religion has no relation with state
Correct. In a truly secular state religious distinction would become irrelevant.
Sir plz elaborate the word "independence" in the text that you attributes to the JUH.
Which independence was took place that time in 1919 at which muslims were supposed to entered upon contract with Hindus???????
Plz i am not getting the point properly
JUH was created in 1919. Independence took place in 1947.
Tnx
Thank you and love you from India🇮🇳
Sir plz discuss this topic in detail in pakistan context. And how to deal with serious issues as well as the Objective Resolution..we as lay man and being as muslims are unable ti disentangle the intricate relationship between islam, a religion of complete code of conduct of life, and secularism.. How can we make a law repugnant to islamic injunctions. I am not radical Islamist nor i object secularism.
And in India the case may be of the majority and the minority. However in pakistan the case is opposite. Moreover, the Treaty of madina was of wholly different nature.
Pakistan need more people like you most importantly Muslim needs more people like you
Sir G shayri mashriq.nay jo farmaya us k kya...? Qoom mazham say hay mazhab jo nahi tum b nahi ......plz explain...
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Aslam o Alikum sir, Secular subjects konse hoty h jo kise bh islami madarsa mein teach key jty ha?
Very well sir ...outstanding.
very informatic vidieo
Main Di Khan jaise conservative ilake mein rehta hoon yahan agar Maine kah diya ki main secular Hun to log meri jaan hi le lenge 🤣🤣🤣
Dera Ismail Khan & Taank.....
Agar Panjaab mn rehta to itna conservative naa hota
Taimur bhai ap ne bari achi tara explain kia ha .way of your speaking is impressive. mera sawal ye ha ke dunyia ki aik maroof secular state ne halia dino ma aik khas mazhab ku target kerte huwe ju initiative lia ha us ku tu aik side pe kerden lakin bad ma France ke PM ka reply ju show ker raha ha ke politics aur religion is not separated yet in France and according to their law all citizens regardless of their origin, race or religion are treated as equals before the law and respecting all religious beliefs. Laws tu hamare ider bhi bohat se bana howe han. muje umeed ha ke ap muje is ke bare ma guide karen gae ke kia masla ha aur kiun kisi bhi ur secular state ne aur kisi secular shask ne ye tak nahi kaha ke ye galat ha aur france secularism ku badnam ker raha ha, take ma un logo ku bata sakon ju ab muj se hanste howe pochte han ke kahan gae secular ?.
Sir you really know the art of pedagogy and how to elaborate in a humorous way.Thank you for this insight
Xx z ZZ
Thank you sir mind blowing information ❤❤
Very Nice Taimur Sir...Please make few more video in Indian Muslims context we lack such voices here.
Love from India
And what about Pakistani hindus
@@sagarlohana1989 he’s a Marxist. His entire reasoning behind these videos is to educate Pakistanis and establish secular socialist republic. And hey, did you know Pakistani Hindus have grown at a faster pace than Indian Hindus. Here in my city, Karachi (though I’m an ethnic Baloch from Quetta), you’ll find over a 100 Hindu temples? Don’t listen to your times now or Republic TV/Bharat, actually look from the civil perspective.
@@mul-el3657 100 temples in karachi. Please share link (that being said from a reliable source). Anyway let's believe it without link/evidence for now but still I don't even want to start thinking what a horrible condition the mandirs will be in. I've seen images of mandirs in Pakistan or to put it more correctly the renovated mandirs of Pakistan and its just awful. Your talking about 100 so called temples in karachi well not even in a hundred years will karachi have a temple like delhi has a mosque like jama mosque or like taj-ul in bhopal. Just the construction of one (and first) mandir in islamabad shaked entire Pakistan and slogans that 'deen khatrey M hai' and then fake people like you talking big and trying to make out as if Pakistan is just as secular and liberal as most western countries and like India.
Theek hai phr konsa kanon best hoga? Which one is the best kanon
Muje urdu jyada smaj nhi aati tabhi sir ki explanation dekhke samjne ki puri kosis karta hu 👍,Me gujarati hu basically
Oh gujarat, the most progressive state of india.. Right😁
Gujarat!
From Indian🇮🇳 state of Guj or Pak🇵🇰 city of Guj?
@@ANUP_YADAV830gujrati is 🇮🇳 language.
🇵🇰 Gujrat speaks Panjaabi
Love the new dynamic, vibrant way of starting video sir...💞 😊
When minority then demand secularism
When once majority No secularism 😮
Allama Iqbal s famous quote deen e mullah fasaad e fe sabillilah
Taimur sb, I would nudge you towards Irfan Ahmad's Islamism and Democracy in this regard. That will tell you why we should not be surprised. JIH and similar postures by other organisations is what political theory mandates when it is set in motion in its interaction with the state. I am sure you will also incorporate a more nuanced analysis that has come in the wake of the works of Tala Asad, Saba Mahmood etc Humeira Iqtedar too has worked in the context of Pakistan. thanks.
You are aware of reality but yeah, it is good way of attracting people.
professor sb bhit acchha kaam kar rahe hain allah khush rakhe.
Bilcul sahi kaha aapne
I really want to meet with u sir but I'm from sukkur it's very difficult to visit Lahore 😢
In some of your videos earlier as well you were not able to pronounce Jamiat Ulama e Hind Rather you were saying Jamiat Ulama e 'Ehl' e Hind 😂😂😂
Yes, I have same views but,does secular mean to adopt modernim(western culture) which pollute our indigenous culture?
Does secular mean to put your religious golden teachings set aside and follow trending and modern clothes, life style and hate religious intelligentsia etc?
Secular model of democracy in Turkey during Ataturk era, promoted the real meaning but also introduced measures to eliminate the orthodox concept of wearing religious outfits and a man was not allowed to have religious affiliations etc.
Plz help me to clear my query.
I will wait for your reply with agog.
Thanks.
No we don’t have to adopt Western culture. We are not Europeans. We are who we are.
@@Taimur_Laal Thanks a bunch🤗🤗🤗
Even arab culture is western to us and harmful to indigenous culture
What happend in Turkey is termed as kemalism which means to develop you need to modernise and westernise both. Definately you dont need to westernise in order to modernise.
@@71espn who said that arab culture is dangerous to indigenous culture?
Great sir❤
Sir, most of the time, we've listened to the argument that our Prophet (P.B.U.H) connected religion and politics to form the Riyasat-e-Madina. So, what's the counter-narrative for it?
Handing power to clergy in Pakistan today is tantamount to giving power to people strongly associated with the Jagirdari nizam. That will roll back the wheel of history.
@@Taimur_Laal thankyou sir
Thank you sir🙏
MashAllah great sir 😍😍
Love you Guruji..
Sir Turkey ki history par lecture upload karay .Thanks
Yeah
Whaaa Dabur Duz kardiya mulaaO ko💖💖💖😘
Please tell about Iran
Make some video about it
It seems theocratic state
But it is giving rights to all religion in its parliament they have seats
Plus we don't see proper capitalism or communism being followed there
Please put some light on it
Ask the sunni's from Iran or look at the protests against hijab in Iran
Sir bat yeh hy keh yaha secularism ki rejection pe kuch ulema ki dukan chal rahi hy. India me agr aisa na karen to inki being khatre me par jaigi.... Waha us ki acceptance zaroorat hy wqt ki.
Great lecture 👍
Your definition about secularism is correct but Indian state is not deal with the same concept of French secularism Indian government can interrupt between Religion & state if law & order is concerned, like triple talaq case, Masjids locked due to pandemic etc.
Today I knew about My Indian Ulemas great thoughts about secularism because of you I still can't believe on My ears🤩 that they are so much liberal.
Thanks a ton sir 💐😇
The ulemas are not liberal. They say this because India is not a Muslim majority state. If they could implement Sharia law in India, they would. They are no different than the right wing Hindus who want a Hindu state.
Comment deleted I don't know why but still I stand with My comment..👍
Secularism toh atheism nahi hai mangaya...lekin Modi ko support karna, aur Masjido ko band karne meh khusi manana pakka Mulhideen hai.
Aise larkiyo ke bacche bhi mulhid hote hai ya kissi aur mazhab ko follow karte hai.
Aap apne iman ko mazbuut rakkhe
We want secularism in Pakistan 👍
Muslimo minority me hote hai to secular ban jate hai majority me hote hai to kattar Islamist hote hai
Finally i can relate Quaid e Azam approach pf constitution making. ❤🖤
This is why we need UCC in India
I think Taimur issues you raised, btw very well, can only be termed as “Pakistani Islam” a concoction of a class that wants to perpetually rule the poor masses of this artificial country.
Artificial country ?!?!?
Sir, what is your opinion on Ghamidi Sb's view on Secularism?
Love you sir g...
hahah in minority they support secularism and majority sharia.
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Agreed muslaman
I understand you put titles in English for search results but could you please add an indicator for the actual language spoken during the video?
As another question Janis varoufakis is suggesting some kind of global protest about the treatment of Julian Assange. I was thinking peoples of the world could boycott something British and America. Gandhi made salt... what do you think would be an effect area to protest the Assange case? A world boycott of British and American telecommunications services? I'm just thinking the boycott should relate to Assange in some way...
The language used is Urdu/Hindustani for mainly Pakistani and Indian audiences. Comrade Taimur is from Pakistan so his content usually addresses regional and local issues which in this case is incorrect understanding of Secularism among Pakistani Ulema (religious scholars).
I'm sorry about that. I should have made clear the video is in Urdu.
@@Taimur_Laal it's ok. Do you have any thoughts on an effective Assange Protest? I think its clear only the people organising will be able to save him now. Well what's left of him after the torture and God knows what else the British and American establishments are doing to him.
I don't want to put you on the spot just idea hunting, I think a global peoples boycott but I'm still not sure what would be most effective....
@@jollyyeholiver1578 no doubt.
Although your analogies are very well thought but direct comparison with across the border is not correct, plus you cannot compare Christianity & Islam , the political aspirations in Islam are not that same as in Christianity
Sir make videos on Muslim political thought..
Allama Iqbal, Almawardi, Al farabi , ...
Here you go. Follow the series on Muslim Philosophers ua-cam.com/video/ydQ3dS6pBVQ/v-deo.html
@@Taimur_Laal Thanks a lot sir...
Interesting video, but honestly I don't agree with your interpretation of secularism. It is understandable you want to present something in a more acceptable way for Pakistani viewers. But if you want to do justice to the topic, you should discuss all the broader aspects associated with secularism. I would quote two main sources here which can give the readers a true definition of secularism:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism
Secularism may refer to any worldview or principle which defines the secular at a given context, and prioritizes, justifies or promotes it over the non-secular.[1][2] "Secularism" has a broad range of meaning. While its definition as the separation of religion from civic affairs and the state is the most common,[3] it may connote anticlericalism, atheism, naturalism, banishment of religious symbols from the public sphere and much more. As a philosophy, secularism seeks to interpret life on principles taken solely from the material world, without recourse to religion. It shifts the focus from religion towards "temporal" and material concerns.
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Secularism may be categorized into two types, "hard" and "soft". "Hard" secularism considers religious propositions to be epistemologically illegitimate and seeks to deny them as much as possible. The "soft" variety emphasizes tolerance and liberalism.[9]
www.britannica.com/topic/secularism
Secularism, any movement in society directed away from otherworldliness to life on earth.
Yes, you can twist the interpretation, make it compatible with religion, but in essence, secularism is in direct conflict with religion or any system based on divine inspiration.
Of course atheists are secular. But not all secular people are atheists. Hence, my criticism that those who equate secularism with atheism are incorrect stands. Plus I’m not trying to make things palatable. But I am trying to culturally contextualise them.
Oh and appreciate your informed opinion. Please comment more. I want to get your feedback on all my videos. Thanks Shah Hussain. :)
Kya aap ki yah video ham apne chainal par daal sakte hain ?
Sure.
@@Taimur_Laal shukriya sir
Sir ek baar aap mere chainal ko visit karen PasmandaDemocracy
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At present Sadatullah husaini is Ameer of JIH not Jalaluddin Omeri.
Thanks. At the time of the news report from which I read it was Jalaluddin sb.
@@Taimur_Laal aap to munfik ho nabike jamaneme bhi aap jaise log the please please aap ghar vapsi karo
Waqf Act pe unka nazariya kya hai zara yeh bhi toh puch le...
Absolutely right, from India
India is not a secular country.
Secularism ka ye maqsad konse awr kiske book mein hai?
www.britannica.com/topic/secularism
Pls make video on partition of india
Plz sir make video on Dr Ali Sharirati of islam his thoughts. As I heard he was a marxist.
Sure. Why not. He was a socialist but he was not a Marxist.
make video about Qanon and explain . thank you
Good video 👍👌
Sir you are taking what they say on face value!
If you listen to offical BJP statements, they sound as sweet and as progressive as these statements by some ulemas!
Secularism for Indian ulemas mean freedom to have 4 wives, give triple talak, have sharia courts!
I too am against modi and bjp but please don't try to secularise Indian ulemas and maulanas in western sense!
They are as bad as pakistani ulemas or as good if you think otherwise!
Sir Pakistan man b to Religious freedom hay but ap agr chahty pakistan Secularism nazriye pay chaly to ye apka or rub ka mamala hay
Well done
In jamaton me kaion ko secularism tab yad aaya jab Jinnah inhen marane ke liye Hindustan me chhod gaye. Inki kismat se Congress ek secular party thi aur Hindustani itane khunkhar nahin the. Phirbhi ye jamatain Jinnah ke pas ray leni gayi ki ab kya karain. Jinnah ne direction di ki tum Muslim religious parties bane raho, jabaki Maulana Azad ne unhen secular party, Congress ko join karane ki salah di thi. Aaaj Pakistan me 30 % se do tin % non Muslim hain. Bankiyon ko markat ke bhaga diya. Jabki Bharat me Muslim ka % dugana ho gaya hai. Political Islam ne mulku ko two-nation theory ke base par banta hai ya vahan problem khadi ki hain.
jis mazhab ki base p ap log riyasat c deen ko alehda krna chahty hain wo dusry incomplete deen hain na k Deen Islam, ye ek mukammal Zabta e Hayaat h r is main har kisi k haqooq darj hain,hamain un ko practice main lana h,(asal masla rule of law na hone ka h,na k rules ko change krne ka Dear Doctor sab).
You missed the point that being secular is beneficial when in minority and when in majority you have to give rights to the minority. We have to come out of bigotry.
Thanks sir...
Lekin yahan Pakistan main log mazhab ko nishana banaty hain .... Jis ki wajah se humare nazdeeq is ki definition aisi ho gai...
Sir, you are good in political philosophy but you can never apply it principles to shariah.
Secularism: ulema dislike in Pakistan bcz it is going to be true Islamic state. Support to secularism in India bcz Muslim are minority.
Ap Sharia or secularism ma kis ko choose karogay
Their is no contradiction between the two hence their is no need to choose .
madrisa system or cast system ko khtam hona chaea
in k hoty hue koi b mulk society kabi taraqi ni kr sakti
Reyasat mazhab sy juda nhy hoskta
Love ur lectures sir .....from srinagar
Where were do u think kashmiri left stand on jandk dispute... And their views about ladakh and jammu
Hi brother🙋🙋🙋
What I have read about secularism is different from your narrative. Secularism emerged in west against the dominance of religious dogmas and interference with rationality and later used in different settings and orders to suit their environment. Though the secularism narrated by you is good for all human beings and Muslims too but the tolerance without the name of secularism had been in practice in the state of Madina at prophet (pbuh) time in Islamic history.
Moreover, this jamat e hind no good for Muslims in India.
How are the secular ideals from West different to what described here in this video?
@@khizerliam9776 west separates religion from state altogether while here secularism means justly and equally treating the believers of all religions while practicing one's own and that is farce in reality.
@@naturegirl4803 that is the natural culmination of it.when you are going to leave out religion from legislation you get separation of religion and state and if you do mix the two then by definition you will be creating different classes of people based on their religious Identity and that's what is described in this video,watch it properly....you can never have secularism (of any defination) if you wish to involve religion in legislative processes neither you can attain equality in any meaningful way...
@@khizerliam9776 the interpretations by different Islamic scholars build different discourses for people in Muslim world and people get convinced to their understanding and mental capacity. While the true meaning lies in Quran. Nevertheless Quran gives own standard and criteria for understanding life without the neo developed word like secularism.
Riyasat e medina i guess current government ka lollipop he hai
What about ethnicity?
Idhar minorities kam hain muslim ziada hai lakin odhar dosra bara mazhab islam hai
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I have heard the opposite. Principles of Islam conform those of secularism.
there is different context here in India, here secularism is just a saving from hindu rashtra, here BJP wanted to impose hindu laws in muslim personal things, that's why here in India we support secularism, here in India there is laws prevalent in our contexts that discriminate on the basis of religion, like quota, citizenship law etc etc,
اگر کوئی لبرل سیکولر ریاست بناے اور اس میں کسی ایک مذہب کی تعلیمات کے خلاف چلا جائے تو اس کی اجازت ہے،اس کو استحقاق ہے،لیکن مذہبی ریاست اپنے فیور میں کوئی قانون بنائے تو اسے استحقاق نہیں؟کیا یہ منصفانہ بات ہے؟
Maulana wo bhi secular. Aapko india ke musalmano ka secularism ke liye pyar hai kyonki hindu abhi 80 % hain. Agar kal ko hindu 50% se kam ho jaayein to inki language kya hogi is mamle par ye to sab jaante hi hain. 😇
Don't you think these religious figures are taking such a stand at a time in india , where if you utter anything about their religious would get easily trolled or called a kind of terrorist. The same ulemas would have taken an overtly religious stand and invoked the prowess of their God. Also don't you know that political stand is taken by parties or religious groups purely based on numerical strength? The true intent of politicians is known only when they have the power to rule or when they the power to dictate it.
the video is not about their intentions but about the definition of secularism.