I tried to listen to this piece while cleaning out my pantry but I got distracted and realized that in a coherentialistic world view the topology of the current spacetime continuum can best be represented by a mobius like surface, where the desrupter is the consciousness of the individual observer. Anyways, back to throwing out moldy pasta sauce..
The underlying physics that allow our Multiverse to exist in all It's higher dimensional majesty isn't a cozy night reading by the fire. It's a terrifyingly alien incomprehensibility to us bottom dwellers. It's a great service to have beautiful music like this that doesn't evade avoid perhaps even facilitates a brief glimpse.
This chamber concert was quite challenging consering Schoenberg"s masterpiece. Ligeti worte it during a turnpoint in his writing technique. He did not miss the challenge: this work is a very original masterpiece also, which sums up some features of Ligeti's technique and anticiates other ones.
The kammerkonzert can be considered as the apex of the first creative period of Ligeti (and in my opinion the most fertile). Typically, it is one of his absolute masterworks.
@@ippolit23 It is also a very great work, and I love it very much, including the joke at the very beginning (Beethoven made almost the same one in his op. 81 sonata), but it is more engaged in the "second period", in which individual lins are more perceptible.
I am fairly conservative in my musical tastes especially in 20th century music (Turangalila is about the outer limits for me) but I always have time for Ligeti. Great sonic imagination and he almost always has something genuine to say. I'd take him over Webern any day.
Yep...Ligeti is a composer of simple "tropes" and clear design. It's in the overlap and superposition where the complexity emerges His piano etudes, like Bartok's Mikrokosmos are a great look into the mind of the composer.
B Bee Sorry, but if you say something like that, you can’t call yourself “fairly conservative” in your musical tastes, as there is nothing conservative about this music
@@snugglethorn i listen to lots and lots of modern and ultra modern composed music. There are numerous 20th century composers that are genius. Ligeti of course is a monster - thats a good thing. Webern is right there among the fabulous and is worthy of repeated listening. His string quartets op 22 and op 28 come to mind as well as his concerto and symphony. Heck Webern is awesome across the board. In fact the only op's of webern that i dont listen to repeatedly are the song cycles. And im trying to crack those as well. Note for note Elliott Carter is my favorite - at least right now. His first string quartet in hindsight changed modern music forever. Carter purists rank his entire cycle of quartets as the single most important contribution to the genre in the 20th Century. Babbitt can not be excluded either. And much earlier in the century there are Schoenberg and Bartok. Henze shouldn't be ignored, especially for large scale orchestral. And finally Hindemith - say what you will - wrote symphonic poems under different guises and names that are a supreme contribution to the western tradition. Oh yes in a very different way is Alfred Schnittke. Talk about sonic delights, his first symphony, his first concert grosso and his third string quartet established the genre of polystylism that is incredibly rewarding. The commentaries on his works evoke the most coherent, sublime and mystical writings found on all of UA-cam.
Ecouter Ligeti, c'est abolir le déferlement de bruits et d'images du quotidien pour entrouvrir l'espace d'un ailleurs où la contingence et la représentation cèdent la place à l'immatérialité du sensible. Une fois refermée la porte sur l'agitation du monde, un silence sous-jacent s'installe et une lenteur saisit, préludes à une dilatation de la perception et de la conscience. Dans le courant de l'art abstrait & féérique dont cette oeuvre marque la vitalité et l'intérêt renouvelés à chaque précieuse écoute, le pouvoir expressif de l'architecture sonore rompt avec toute forme de transcription du réel pour s'attacher à l'expression d'un univers impalpable. Couleurs, composition, rythme, constituent un langage qui donne véritablement voix à l'exaltation !
Cher Philippe Circe, tout cela est en effet bellement dit. Mais illustre aussi ce qui m'a toujours gêné avec l'Esthétique et ses analyses des œuvres : on peut s'approcher d'un sentiment "romantique" et subjectif de la musique. Quant à vos corrélations entre l’œuvre et "le réel", j'avoue ne pas les comprendre tout à fait. Bien à vous.
@@ericclemencon3265 Cher ami, disons que, pour faire simple, Ligeti est indicible, tout comme Penderecki que j'admire également dans le style "musique atmosphérique inquiète" qui reflète à merveille si j'ose dire, l'époque que nous vivons .... Bien sûr, tout ceci est de la littérature sujette à caution ;-)
Un petit marécage dense et opaque qui grouille de vie. Swamp Infesté d'insectes, on peut y deviner des formes qui s'aventurent non loin de la surface. 3e mvmt: une montre détraquée ? Ah bon...
note that one quite idiomatic feature links this kammerkonzert to the first period works, and namely to the outstanding cello concerto: the style breaking in the pa approx. middle of the first movement. Reversely, toward rhe end, superimposition of repetitive cells prepare the most original part of the future trends.
There is this moment when Ligeti pieces start to lift off - always the moment when some abominable asshole feels obliged to cough as loudly as possible and ruin a record forever.
Well you can find elements of collage or even pastiche in ligeti's music, which can be realated to posmodernism, yet it is definitely more modern than postmodern. However the latter can also be stressed regarding how individual his style is. I would encourage you to listen to it as the employment of tone, texture, dynamic contrast and the interrelation between different events concerning these elements in overall time, in terms of duration. And last but not least to drop the quotation marks. You won't find harmony in terms of progression and functionality it is true, but it is marvellously harmonious when you come to think and listen in its intrinsic language of tension and release. Forgive me for the snobby language but, ridiculing doesn't really help us to gain a more casual vocabulary to describe it.
Yeah, and it is not an easy one to define too. The term itself is not very helpful either, as it can imply plain and simple the thing that came after modernism. But for example, Boulez who is perhaps the most brutally outspoken advocate of modernism is an exact contemporary of Ligeti, and so is Schnittke. I would say the distinction is how each one defines itself in historical context. Which is to say, the difference between avant-gardeism, the defnition of higher art as to always look, research and invest in further possibilities, techniques and contexts than the established ones; and the approach that understands all the pre-existing artistic tools as an ahistorical palette, and that the syntax in which they're brought together is the only medium that art can occur. In that respect, I think Ligeti's music is closer to modernism, as he's vigourously in search for new sonic and sonorous posiibilities, although not as militantly as Boulez or even Ferneyhough of course. This isn't a recent piece by the way, it is from 1970.
Props to the audience for waiting for the parts to end before having their obligatory coughing fit
all coughing was artificially excluded with phase inversion during the concert
@@kollias_music hahaha is fake
I'm just discovering this composer!, more or less. Didn't know what I was missing!
Such a great piece and performance. Congratulations.
...dense, filigree, resplendent, crystal clear. Thank you.
Excellent! Thanks!
Magnifico Ligeti. Genial interpretacion!
I tried to listen to this piece while cleaning out my pantry but I got distracted and realized that in a coherentialistic world view the topology of the current spacetime continuum can best be represented by a mobius like surface, where the desrupter is the consciousness of the individual observer. Anyways, back to throwing out moldy pasta sauce..
Immenso musicista Ligeti , uno dei piu grandi compositori europei per me e progettista come Xenakis.
The woman on flute is either doing some badass circular breathing, or she has lungs the size of Montana.
Not sure about the flutist, but both clarinets are doing it in the beginning of the final movement (at 15'30). Impressive.
I me I will always love this composer's music.
A flawless performance.
Great performance of an appealing work
5 .53. This work so hauntingly beautiful
00:24 I-Corrente; 05:26 II-Calmo, sostenuto; 11:46 III-Movimento preciso e meccanico; 15:33 IV-Presto
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Magnificent! Points of deep complexity! Bravi a tutti!
Still a fantastic piece! and an absolutely gorgeous performance!
you're mental
thanks for flattering me
Thanks for uploading this video as well as that of boulez. Wonderful music.
The underlying physics that allow our Multiverse to exist in all It's higher dimensional majesty isn't a cozy night reading by the fire. It's a terrifyingly alien incomprehensibility to us bottom dwellers. It's a great service to have beautiful music like this that doesn't evade avoid perhaps even facilitates a brief glimpse.
Tito, so eine tolle Aufführung. Super!
Moltes gràcies per compartir.
Fantastic!
Superb!
Fantastic performance!!
Excelente obra e interpretación!
Gracias.
Such great music
This chamber concert was quite challenging consering Schoenberg"s masterpiece. Ligeti worte it during a turnpoint in his writing technique. He did not miss the challenge: this work is a very original masterpiece also, which sums up some features of Ligeti's technique and anticiates other ones.
Merci pour tes remarques ! Je prend plaisir à les lire et à comprendre les œuvres.
¡¡¡ MAGNIFIQUE ¡¡¡ INTERPRETATION ¡¡¡
Bravo Maestro!
Músicos e obra, igualmente brilhantes, soberbos. Ligeti, o maior dos gênios.
Masterpiece
Orgasmically good, music.
Except for the part at 13:51
This was excellent
The kammerkonzert can be considered as the apex of the first creative period of Ligeti (and in my opinion the most fertile). Typically, it is one of his absolute masterworks.
True. What about the horn trio though?
I agree, everything's balanced perfectly here !
@@ippolit23 It is also a very great work, and I love it very much, including the joke at the very beginning (Beethoven made almost the same one in his op. 81 sonata), but it is more engaged in the "second period", in which individual lins are more perceptible.
Complexo. Exuberante. Sombrio. Simplesmente, Ligeti.
Wow! Beautiful. :)
Superb performance
I love this!
Beauté.
I am fairly conservative in my musical tastes especially in 20th century music (Turangalila is about the outer limits for me) but I always have time for Ligeti. Great sonic imagination and he almost always has something genuine to say. I'd take him over Webern any day.
Yep...Ligeti is a composer of simple "tropes" and clear design. It's in the overlap and superposition where the complexity emerges His piano etudes, like Bartok's Mikrokosmos are a great look into the mind of the composer.
B Bee Sorry, but if you say something like that, you can’t call yourself “fairly conservative” in your musical tastes, as there is nothing conservative about this music
@@snugglethorn i listen to lots and lots of modern and ultra modern composed music. There are numerous 20th century composers that are genius. Ligeti of course is a monster - thats a good thing. Webern is right there among the fabulous and is worthy of repeated listening. His string quartets op 22 and op 28 come to mind as well as his concerto and symphony. Heck Webern is awesome across the board. In fact the only op's of webern that i dont listen to repeatedly are the song cycles. And im trying to crack those as well. Note for note Elliott Carter is my favorite - at least right now. His first string quartet in hindsight changed modern music forever. Carter purists rank his entire cycle of quartets as the single most important contribution to the genre in the 20th Century. Babbitt can not be excluded either. And much earlier in the century there are Schoenberg and Bartok. Henze shouldn't be ignored, especially for large scale orchestral. And finally Hindemith - say what you will - wrote symphonic poems under different guises and names that are a supreme contribution to the western tradition. Oh yes in a very different way is Alfred Schnittke. Talk about sonic delights, his first symphony, his first concert grosso and his third string quartet established the genre of polystylism that is incredibly rewarding. The commentaries on his works evoke the most coherent, sublime and mystical writings found on all of UA-cam.
Webern was the master of minimalism. The Bach of Atonality.
Sadly cut down in his prime ...
@@camsun7326 I don't understand Boulez.
*sob* WHY
No, seriously. I need help.
Ecouter Ligeti, c'est abolir le déferlement de bruits et d'images du quotidien pour entrouvrir l'espace d'un ailleurs où la contingence et la représentation cèdent la place à l'immatérialité du sensible. Une fois refermée la porte sur l'agitation du monde, un silence sous-jacent s'installe et une lenteur saisit, préludes à une dilatation de la perception et de la conscience. Dans le courant de l'art abstrait & féérique dont cette oeuvre marque la vitalité et l'intérêt renouvelés à chaque précieuse écoute, le pouvoir expressif de l'architecture sonore rompt avec toute forme de transcription du réel pour s'attacher à l'expression d'un univers impalpable. Couleurs, composition, rythme, constituent un langage qui donne véritablement voix à l'exaltation !
D'accord avec vous. Et, de plus, c'est très bien dit...
Je suis pleinement d'accord avec vous.
Cher Philippe Circe, tout cela est en effet bellement dit. Mais illustre aussi ce qui m'a toujours gêné avec l'Esthétique et ses analyses des œuvres : on peut s'approcher d'un sentiment "romantique" et subjectif de la musique. Quant à vos corrélations entre l’œuvre et "le réel", j'avoue ne pas les comprendre tout à fait. Bien à vous.
je su también amén,
@@ericclemencon3265 Cher ami, disons que, pour faire simple, Ligeti est indicible, tout comme Penderecki que j'admire également dans le style "musique atmosphérique inquiète" qui reflète à merveille si j'ose dire, l'époque que nous vivons .... Bien sûr, tout ceci est de la littérature sujette à caution ;-)
木管の切り裂くような乱れたフレーズの後の束の間の静寂が印象的。後半部分のピッチカートから始まる同音連打は何を意味してるのか？チェレスタの一音で楽章を終えた後、クラリネットの吃るようなフレーズから始まる楽章。この曲は全体的に、あるモティーフをさまざまな音色で模倣拡大するような曲である気がした。
Bravissimi.
Musica Muova contemporani - superb Concerto de Chambers . muz. Ligeti!
Whoever coughed at the end of the performance loses art privileges
I wonder what Zappa thought about Ligeti and Penderecki. Probably loved them..
so good ...
thanks
Tom Cruise killed it on the violin
Un petit marécage dense et opaque qui grouille de vie. Swamp Infesté d'insectes, on peut y deviner des formes qui s'aventurent non loin de la surface. 3e mvmt: une montre détraquée ? Ah bon...
god, what have i gotten into... it's good tho.
13:24 the UFO is landing
difficult to go back to tonality after this ..
Los movimientos 2nd y 3th sobran; el 2nd por coñazo immenso, el 3th por insustancial. La pieza queda redonda con la la supresión de esas dos paridas
note that one quite idiomatic feature links this kammerkonzert to the first period works, and namely to the outstanding cello concerto: the style breaking in the pa approx. middle of the first movement. Reversely, toward rhe end, superimposition of repetitive cells prepare the most original part of the future trends.
Togli una singola nota e crolla tutto!
Ornette Coleman comes this way
13:14
Ez káros az idegrendszerre!
Et une jubilation pour l’esprit !
Ok, how much does that audience need to cough?
Who else is here because of the coughing on the other video
There is this moment when Ligeti pieces start to lift off - always the moment when some abominable asshole feels obliged to cough as loudly as possible and ruin a record forever.
This music would have been perfect for "Halloween" or "Friday the 13th"!!
Too much ado about nothing
How is this " music " best described ? Experimental noises ? Tuning the instruments in at times surprising harmony ? The 04:00 AM blues ?
Well you can find elements of collage or even pastiche in ligeti's music, which can be realated to posmodernism, yet it is definitely more modern than postmodern. However the latter can also be stressed regarding how individual his style is. I would encourage you to listen to it as the employment of tone, texture, dynamic contrast and the interrelation between different events concerning these elements in overall time, in terms of duration. And last but not least to drop the quotation marks. You won't find harmony in terms of progression and functionality it is true, but it is marvellously harmonious when you come to think and listen in its intrinsic language of tension and release. Forgive me for the snobby language but, ridiculing doesn't really help us to gain a more casual vocabulary to describe it.
Yeah, and it is not an easy one to define too. The term itself is not very helpful either, as it can imply plain and simple the thing that came after modernism.
But for example, Boulez who is perhaps the most brutally outspoken advocate of modernism is an exact contemporary of Ligeti, and so is Schnittke. I would say the distinction is how each one defines itself in historical context. Which is to say, the difference between avant-gardeism, the defnition of higher art as to always look, research and invest in further possibilities, techniques and contexts than the established ones; and the approach that understands all the pre-existing artistic tools as an ahistorical palette, and that the syntax in which they're brought together is the only medium that art can occur.
In that respect, I think Ligeti's music is closer to modernism, as he's vigourously in search for new sonic and sonorous posiibilities, although not as militantly as Boulez or even Ferneyhough of course. This isn't a recent piece by the way, it is from 1970.
Excellent answer.
Ligeti is just very visceral and that's the only way to describe it.
What isn't music?