The De-Evolution of HULK Across the MCU

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  • Опубліковано 8 лют 2025
  • The Incredible Hulk is an iconic character within Marvel Comics and has become even more popular after being adapted into the MCU and joining the Avengers. But through Age of Ultron and into Infinity War and Endgame something about the character has changed in a way Captain America, Iron man, and Thor have not. By Phase 4 is Bruce Banner even the same character anymore and what will he be once Doomsday and Secret Wars finally arrive?

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  • @Fantagonistic
    @Fantagonistic  21 день тому +57

    Which movie did Hulk best?

    • @dadeleemurphy85
      @dadeleemurphy85 21 день тому +18

      Norton, Bana, and distant 4th, Ruffalo.
      Third place would go to Tatiana Maslany as She-Hulk because, she actually tried but the show just sucked.

    • @outstandingdogmarron2567
      @outstandingdogmarron2567 21 день тому +21

      Ang Lee's Hulk from 2003, it actually shows that the Hulk is a manifestation of childhood trauma, also the desert fight and Absorbing Man fight are great.

    • @r3n3gad33
      @r3n3gad33 21 день тому +11

      Planet Hulk

    • @TheOnslaught616
      @TheOnslaught616 21 день тому +7

      Incredible Hulk by far

    • @Fantagonistic
      @Fantagonistic  21 день тому +1

      @ The desert parts were great.

  • @Nerdtendo6366
    @Nerdtendo6366 21 день тому +189

    The best depiction of the Hulk in the MCU is somehow a 10 second joke in Deadpool & Wolverine

    • @futurefoundation-t2s
      @futurefoundation-t2s 21 день тому +33

      I mean, I really like Hulk in the first Avengers movie, and some of his moments in Age of Ultron. But yeah, after that it was a downfall spirral in his appearences

    • @chiquita683
      @chiquita683 21 день тому +19

      ​@@futurefoundation-t2sOnly good hulk was Ed Norton but Marvel wanted to be cheap and not pay him so we got the goof ball Hulk instead, he was never a threat in post Iron Man MCU

    • @pinkyogurt6359
      @pinkyogurt6359 21 день тому +11

      ​@futurefoundation-t2s
      Avengers hulk was pretty good but some tiny nitpicks is that his eyes should be gamma green and he should walk upright not hunch like a gorilla. 2008 I think was perfect look wise. He was a little weak but made up with it with his intimidating aura

    • @SPIDERMANISOVERRATED
      @SPIDERMANISOVERRATED 21 день тому +5

      ​@pinkyogurt6359 I don't like his face he looks too human he doesn't have the exaggerated features like 2008 or comic hulk

    • @mr.iiconic
      @mr.iiconic 20 днів тому

      ​@@chiquita683he was definitely a threat in Avengers. Severe revisionism.

  • @r3n3gad33
    @r3n3gad33 21 день тому +139

    Why do the writers hate The Hulk? He's an icon, yet they ruined his character? The Russos admitted that they have no idea on what to with Hulk, yet they're going to direct the next two Avengers and ruin his character even more. Why is this studio so incompetent?

    • @elskeletor3566
      @elskeletor3566 20 днів тому +10

      All the Russo's had to do was watch The Incredible Hulk TV show.

    • @she-venom9842
      @she-venom9842 19 днів тому +6

      Not just Hulk look how how they hate his family they make She Hulk an ugly mary sue and they made his son ugly with that lame haircut

    • @j-sant-animations8105
      @j-sant-animations8105 19 днів тому +5

      Something about rights just like Spiderman. Sony owns Spiderman solos but as long as he’s sharing his movie with others (Tony in the first, Fury in second, and Dr Strange in the third), we still get his movies.
      Edit: this is about why he can’t properly progress with his own solo movie

    • @imperialpresence1173
      @imperialpresence1173 19 днів тому

      @@elskeletor3566 they one that got canceled?

    • @imperialpresence1173
      @imperialpresence1173 19 днів тому

      @@she-venom9842 she venom...she hulk was the superior hulk from day one..i myself thing self control is a far better trait than just smashing and killing

  • @Sjono
    @Sjono 20 днів тому +51

    Most MCU directors hate Savage Hulk and only use him to make other characters look good

  • @chunkyking8225
    @chunkyking8225 21 день тому +299

    Seriously what did hulk do to deserve this

    • @CrimsonEdits-m2h
      @CrimsonEdits-m2h 21 день тому +37

      Let's be honest nothing

    • @syndrome5372
      @syndrome5372 21 день тому

      They just hate men and angry strong smash man was too masculine so they used him to clumsily 'end toxic masculinity'

    • @chiquita683
      @chiquita683 21 день тому +53

      Got played by Mark Ruffalo, that much soy in anyone's system, even the hulks, would cause some permanent damage

    • @Kidwander
      @Kidwander 21 день тому +8

      @@chiquita683he kissed scarlet Johansson whiles you ain’t

    • @pinkyogurt6359
      @pinkyogurt6359 21 день тому +33

      Russo brothers have never worked out a day in their life and it shows in their trash writing of a character who's sole purpose is to represent power.

  • @thetdizzyyy
    @thetdizzyyy 21 день тому +106

    Disney fumbled with the hulk so hard, there are so many cool stories and dynamics with the Hulk that could’ve made him one of the most popular MCU characters

    • @imperialpresence1173
      @imperialpresence1173 19 днів тому +1

      then why did the hulk tv series get canceled?

    • @imperialpresence1173
      @imperialpresence1173 19 днів тому +2

      i read enough hulk comics in my youth to know ANYONE...could be a hulk....in the marvel universe if you look at the color green too long you run the risk of becoming the hulk....when you're just one of hundreds of hulks...then being a hulk is no special

    • @DesX42S
      @DesX42S 18 днів тому

      The first Hulk movie in the MCU was the worst performing movie in the franchise until the Eternals…let that sink in.

    • @thetdizzyyy
      @thetdizzyyy 18 днів тому +2

      @@DesX42S to be fair a lot of people didn’t know it was part of the MCU. I loved this movie as a kid (even had the tie in video game) and I had no idea Ruffalo and Norton were supposed to be the same hulk, even the design and look of hulk is different.

    • @thetdizzyyy
      @thetdizzyyy 18 днів тому

      @@imperialpresence1173 probably because of the current MCU Story, hulk has no real place in the story. They changed him into smart hulk for the plot in endgame and now they don’t know what to do with him. And now that She Hulk has a show and most ppl don’t care abt hulk I doubt he will be anything more than a side character in the future.

  • @elskeletor3566
    @elskeletor3566 20 днів тому +93

    The real issue is that Ed Norton was Fired and The Hulk lost any direction because no one else understood the character and the actor who played him Did.

    • @imperialpresence1173
      @imperialpresence1173 19 днів тому +6

      ed norton..the only person that could ever understand the hulk?...because the hulk is so ....deep...

    • @DesX42S
      @DesX42S 18 днів тому +3

      You’re joking, right?

    • @DavidMartinez-ce3lp
      @DavidMartinez-ce3lp 18 днів тому +31

      ​@DesX42S No, Feige made the decision to make Hulk family friendly starting in the first Avengers. So yeah, Edward Norton was the only one who actually wanted to portray him as a deeper and tragic character.

    • @DavidMartinez-ce3lp
      @DavidMartinez-ce3lp 18 днів тому +12

      ​ @imperialpresence1173 He is, but even if they didn't want to develop the character more. They didn't even do the bare minimum of using him more for the action scenes in Infinity War and Endgame.

    • @RulerX.
      @RulerX. 15 днів тому +6

      @@imperialpresence1173you clearly have never read any comics about the hulk.

  • @Starpion88
    @Starpion88 21 день тому +63

    I think it says something when the Hulk from Earth’s Mightiest Heroes, who also had his backstory glossed over like a grand majority of the characters (at least to my somewhat limited knowledge), still manages to be much more complex and go through much more development than this one. And I still really like the MCU’s Hulk. But they did him dirty. I’d love to have seen another solo movie with him! Show some of that development rather than just glossing over it!

    • @stevereynolds5684
      @stevereynolds5684 21 день тому +20

      EMH has one of the best representations of the conflict and mental discussions/compromises between the Hulk and Banner. It sucked that they mostly abandoned him in the later episodes.

    • @Fantagonistic
      @Fantagonistic  21 день тому +18

      @@Starpion88 I’d love to see the Hulk side taken more seriously as a character like he was in EMH.

    • @cruzcamel
      @cruzcamel 10 днів тому +1

      Didn’t love EMH, but by far one of the best moments from it was when a new-to-this-century Captain America tells an aggressive Hulk that based on his observations, underneath all that anger is actually a Hero, not a monster. This was the first time Hulk had ever heard that from anyone.
      Excellent character defining moment from Both of them.

    • @justasmartguy7299
      @justasmartguy7299 7 днів тому

      Yes they could do a movie hulk vs red hulk and adapting planet hulk and world war hulk

  • @Panimal98
    @Panimal98 21 день тому +101

    Thor: Ragnarok was the last time I took him seriously. Was he silly? Sure. But we can't deny punching Surtur in the face goes hard. On that note, Waititi took ALL the wrong lessons of Ragnarok when making Love & Thunder.

    • @shroomer8294
      @shroomer8294 21 день тому +11

      The MCU did Korg dirty as hell

    • @Panimal98
      @Panimal98 21 день тому +15

      ​@shroomer8294 Korg is just Taika in CGI. I found him funny in Ragnarok, but in L&T I wanted him out. I think Waititi characters are like all comic relief characters. They're funny if they don't overstay their welcome. At least for me.

    • @SuperCecileC
      @SuperCecileC 21 день тому +7

      Agreed, after Ragnarok Hulk became incredibly lame...
      They never made a better Hulk than the Norton's one anyway.

    • @Panimal98
      @Panimal98 21 день тому +6

      ​@@SuperCecileC I like Ruffalo better as Banner, though. At least in the first Avengers film.

    • @SuperCecileC
      @SuperCecileC 21 день тому

      @@Panimal98
      I have to agree, he did a good job especially with the body langage.

  • @ura4321
    @ura4321 16 днів тому +17

    Now Rumor is Red Hulk will get nothing but a four minute screen time.

    • @jabig1
      @jabig1 7 днів тому

      It's a Captain America movie.

  • @captnkale2720
    @captnkale2720 21 день тому +45

    I just don’t appreciate how they’re giving one of Hulks biggest villains up to someone else. And Hulk himself hasn’t even had a movie since 2008. Don’t get me wrong I’m a lil excited about Captain America but bro there’s so many villains he could have why not give Hulk his own movie with Thaddeus

    • @Fantagonistic
      @Fantagonistic  21 день тому +12

      Such a shame Leader and Red Hulk will be known as non-Hulk villains

    • @dannypalin9583
      @dannypalin9583 20 днів тому +7

      Not just his villains, but his allies. Korg and Meik were friends with the Hulk in the comics. Waititi gave them to Thor.

    • @captnkale2720
      @captnkale2720 20 днів тому +3

      @@Fantagonistic thank you!! I love the MCU but they’re really dropping the ball with what they’ve been putting out. I rather have quality over quantity right now. It seems like they’re just worried about pumping out shows and movies rather than give us quality work that’ll take a lil longer to get out to the viewers.

    • @captnkale2720
      @captnkale2720 20 днів тому +3

      @@dannypalin9583 omg I literally forgot all about that. This one kinda hurts when I think about it. They stole Hulk’s complete storyline on Sakaar and gave it to Thor. Why use such a major and raw storyline for another character. Hilley favorite character and I feel they just been doing him dirty

    • @captnkale2720
      @captnkale2720 20 днів тому +1

      Sorry meant *Hulk is my

  • @incursiogakill2849
    @incursiogakill2849 20 днів тому +24

    Straight up murdered the hulks character

  • @sirduck600
    @sirduck600 20 днів тому +8

    I’ve made it my head canon that Edward Norton’s hulk is a variant and he’s still out there somewhere

  • @Jam-og1km
    @Jam-og1km 21 день тому +16

    Hulk's cameo in Deadpool could at least show whoever's writing these things that people want to see the real Hulk again

    • @lingricen8077
      @lingricen8077 17 днів тому +1

      what cameo

    • @finnilebo5067
      @finnilebo5067 17 днів тому +3

      ​@@lingricen8077When Deadpool is searching for a New Wolverine in the Multiverse, he ends up in a Universe where Wolverine fights the Hulk at one point. You only see Hulk's back.

    • @CryosisOfficial
      @CryosisOfficial 13 днів тому

      @@finnilebo5067 You see his face in the reflection of Logan's claws.

    • @finnilebo5067
      @finnilebo5067 13 днів тому

      @@CryosisOfficial Indeed, thanks for mentoning it.

  • @biggezee
    @biggezee 20 днів тому +15

    The Incredible Hulk movie was based off of an 80's tv show that not too many people probably didn't watch or too young to remember it.

  • @Saltyaf38
    @Saltyaf38 7 днів тому +1

    Seriously, I wish more people appreciated the 2008 Hulk movie before it was popular to say that 'new Hulk bad.'

  • @BoxingFan4Life
    @BoxingFan4Life 20 днів тому +16

    Ed Norton’s hulk will always be the best. Recasting him was a travesty

    • @alanmanrick5593
      @alanmanrick5593 10 днів тому

      I loved Banas hulk.

    • @curtainjerker699
      @curtainjerker699 9 днів тому +1

      Could not agree more. Man, did that movie have edge and soul. One of my favorite Marvel movies ever.

  • @Sky_8D
    @Sky_8D 21 день тому +46

    I don’t get why Disney screwed over the hulk in this way hulks main thing is being a rage monster so you take that away and he’s just a shell now it would be like removing the blindness from daredevil

    • @heroblue2
      @heroblue2 21 день тому +12

      He is a straight white man. The MCU can't have that! It's simply ludicrous! You can't have strong white men in the MCU unless it's Deadpool and Wolverine.

    • @AppleFrogTomatoFace
      @AppleFrogTomatoFace 21 день тому +5

      because hulk is perfect representation of toxic masculinity, and through the movies they are showing how they think about it.

    • @SPIDERMANISOVERRATED
      @SPIDERMANISOVERRATED 21 день тому +1

      ​@@heroblue2captain America

    • @dbemerald4178
      @dbemerald4178 21 день тому

      "It would be like removing the blindness from Daredevil" So what I'm hearing is that Disney is the Superior Iron Man

    • @gocharsispa2558
      @gocharsispa2558 21 день тому

      Well since none of you dumb shits know the actual answer, it’s because Disney doesn’t own him and want to minimize his usage. Same problem with Spiderman. Except Spiderman actually makes money.

  • @redjirachi1
    @redjirachi1 16 днів тому +5

    It's like there were Hulk movies that fell through a crack in time

  • @candour5343
    @candour5343 14 днів тому +5

    OG hulk drinks nuclear waste, MCU hulk drinks soymilk

  • @mikedemopoulos2210
    @mikedemopoulos2210 7 днів тому +1

    I think a lot of this is do to the Universal Contract. Not being able to do a Hulk solo film under the MCU makes it very difficult to show these developments on screen. You only have so much time in these shows/movies that he’s in

  • @heroblue2
    @heroblue2 21 день тому +20

    Agreed. Hulk has been completely nerfed. We lack the back story of Prof Hulk, and instantly, She-Hulk was immediately introduced as a better hero and more skilled somehow through the power of having been born with ovaries, where in the MCU, automatically makes you a better and stronger hero than any male counterpart 😂😂😂

    • @shroomer8294
      @shroomer8294 21 день тому

      Your comment has big "destiny is stored in the balls" energy

  • @negavenom
    @negavenom 21 день тому +45

    They turned the hulk into soy hulk as I like to call him.

    • @Hibublub
      @Hibublub 21 день тому +3

      That’s so fucking amazingly unfunny

    • @TheyCallMe_TC
      @TheyCallMe_TC 21 день тому +9

      SULK

    • @negavenom
      @negavenom 20 днів тому +4

      @@Hibublub I'm not trying to be funny, that's just how I see him now after endgame.

    • @negavenom
      @negavenom 20 днів тому +1

      @@TheyCallMe_TC Good one XD

    • @mr.iiconic
      @mr.iiconic 20 днів тому

      ​@@Hibublub and unoriginal

  • @celwenileran2135
    @celwenileran2135 10 днів тому +3

    Alternate version of Hulk where he drank gamma irradiated soy milk and turned green but remained a human.

  • @someothercobra8360
    @someothercobra8360 10 днів тому +2

    Now that you've pointed It out I don't think I will ever forgive Disney for not giving us the Hulk Gladiator drama instead we get Hulk girl boss edition

  • @TimpossibleOne
    @TimpossibleOne 20 днів тому +4

    This is why I implore people who don't know the comics to watch The Hulk before watching The Incredible Hulk. That way you get to see how he became the Hulk and what his relationship is with the Ross family and the military.

  • @mikeshao3838
    @mikeshao3838 21 день тому +4

    binged watching all your videos. just keep it coming bro, nice job

  • @DavidMartinez-ce3lp
    @DavidMartinez-ce3lp 18 днів тому +5

    They dropped the ball hard on Hulk. Just give him mercy and kill him off already. What's even the point of having the character anymore? They'll just keep making him into a joke.

  • @DamplyDoo
    @DamplyDoo 21 день тому +11

    Just compare the mcu hulk, to that comic where hulk is the last living creature on earth. THAT hulk is way too metal for Disney

  • @Minetic
    @Minetic 21 день тому +12

    Sadly the only good Hulk content we will ever get is still in the comics

    • @curtainjerker699
      @curtainjerker699 9 днів тому

      Always wished I could see Bruce Jones' Vol. 2 run from 2002 adapted. It's so dark and adds the shadowy organization hunting fugitive Hulk. He's the best when he's constantly on the run. And shaved head Hulk?? SO badass!

  • @seyerus
    @seyerus 13 днів тому +3

    Never forgive them for what they did to Hulk and Thor.

  • @jlhanlon1980
    @jlhanlon1980 21 день тому +8

    I saw both Hulk (2003) and The Incredible Hulk (2008) in theaters, as he's one of my favorite Marvel characters. Apart from some slight history changes, and Hulk getting too big, I prefer the 2003 version. He's still closer to comic accurate in that film. In the comics, Hulk can lift over 100 tons, jump 3 miles, run 300 mph, heal instantly, has an eternal homing beacon to wherever he calls home, and changes his size when he's angrier. Although the Hulk doesn't change his size as often in the comics as he did in the film, he has been taller when he was Green Scar in World War Hulk and shorter as Grey Hulk with various other heights throughout his comic book run. I never got why people complained about how he looks kind of too green and cartoonish, that's how he looks in the comics. Also the special effects are very good for him, as you can see his pores, his veins, when water runs off his body, his muscles moving, and the bullets bouncing off his body. I like Norton's version, but I did not like how he couldn't jump far and did not heal rapidly. I think my favorite thing about the movie was the Abomination. For anyone that actually read all of that, sorry for the rant.

    • @Fantagonistic
      @Fantagonistic  21 день тому +2

      @@jlhanlon1980 I loved the green shade they used in the 2003 version. Also you could feel Hulk’s rage so viscerally whenever he moved in that one.

    • @AppleFrogTomatoFace
      @AppleFrogTomatoFace 21 день тому

      @@jlhanlon1980 i personally think the last fight is bit underrated. I know it wasn’t actually good, but concept was awesome. He kinda fought literal zeus.
      I wonder how it would been if 2003 hulk fought thanos. Lol

    • @captnkale2720
      @captnkale2720 20 днів тому

      @@jlhanlon1980 gotta say man i appreciate your comment. You did not miss with anything you said

  • @syndrome5372
    @syndrome5372 21 день тому +9

    Hulk was used in the mcu ad a clumsy metaphor for killing toxic masculinity.

  • @thelunaist2014
    @thelunaist2014 21 день тому +8

    Disney must have just hated Hulk since they kinda owned him but couldn't make a solo movie as Universal owned those solo movie right iirc for the longest time until recently.

    • @club2772
      @club2772 12 днів тому

      That explains a lot. IG I’m willing to except the state of hulk same as the venom situation.

  • @Collato
    @Collato 21 день тому +4

    Honestly, I think it's because of the recasting of Edward Norton. If the Hulk wasn't one of the biggest and most recognizable characters in Marvel I have a feeling they would of wrote him out if they could. I feel like War Machine was also completely underutilized for this reason. I just find it weird that they are willing to not use Black Panther now since the actor's passing but re-casted Banner with no in-universe explanation whatsoever why he looks completely different. I think it would of been cool with all this multidimensional and time stuff for the two Banners to be actually two different Banners who meet and through this meeting Ruffalo Banner learns how to be Prof. Hulk. Obviously foresight since the multi stuff happens after End Game but you get the idea.

    • @Fantagonistic
      @Fantagonistic  21 день тому +1

      @@Collato I honestly expect a meeting of the two actors as a possibility for Secret Wars.

  • @thursdaysproduction3290
    @thursdaysproduction3290 11 днів тому +1

    08 hulk was the best.. I don’t care for his love life but I would like more of a background story

  • @MrDman21
    @MrDman21 20 днів тому +2

    "That not Hulk, that Go-gart Hulk!"

  • @alicemargatroid52
    @alicemargatroid52 15 днів тому +1

    so hyped you finally made a hulk video

  • @FrozenPyro06
    @FrozenPyro06 14 днів тому +3

    10:36 is the realest segment of the video

  • @Blumpkin-Pie
    @Blumpkin-Pie 18 днів тому +3

    My son and I watched the incredible
    Hulk last night…. He couldn’t believe how bad ass and scary hulk use to be… sure they touched on in avengers 1 and avengers 2 a little but not since.

  • @therealtt
    @therealtt 16 днів тому +2

    They just don’t care about hulk in the MCU at all to the point where HIS villains are the main villains of a CAPTAIN AMERICA MOVIE and not a hulk movie. They just don’t know what to do with him because of the drama with universal and the rights issues.

  • @kevinxero
    @kevinxero 5 днів тому +1

    Great video thanks

  • @TheZoobZoobs
    @TheZoobZoobs 10 днів тому

    Hulk and Bruce becoming one was a storyline in Infinity War that was shot, completed and somehow removed from the final movie where they have a moment to talk, Hulk telling Bruce how he feels and them coming to terms with what they are, but nah, Hulk getting character growth? To hell with that

  • @artemiswillhelm2633
    @artemiswillhelm2633 10 днів тому +1

    Good video and analysis dude! Keep it up c:

  • @Meldrick-jv7sy
    @Meldrick-jv7sy 19 днів тому +2

    I wish MCU Hulk was portrayed the same way as EMH Hulk.

  • @TheeKingRayzor
    @TheeKingRayzor 21 день тому +5

    I had a dream last night about The Hulk returning to his roots, and getting his rematch with Thanos.
    I miss The Original Hulk!

    • @thetitanhater
      @thetitanhater 21 день тому

      They should've done a movie between Infinity War and Endgame, being a Hulk Solo Movie.
      We see the aftermath of IW, then it skips to The Blip Era and Bruce actually living a normal life and being somewhat happy, despite all of the sadness The Blip caused.
      Then, all of the sudden, he gets into a accident and dies, but The Hulk revives him and then he comes back, and then the rest of the movie and Bruce and Hulk battling eachother, while we see Bruce's Backstory and get to understand how The Hulk feels, the movie would've ended with Bruce and Hulk understanding eachother and putting a end to their battle, but instead of having Soy Hulk, we would have a More smart and stronger version of Hulk going after Thanos, having a 1v1 and then eventually winning the barehand contest with Thanos (And then losing to the gauntlet but doesn't matter, he would've alr lost the barehanded 1v1), which would've brought back Hulk's confidence.
      Note: About the hulk movie in-between, a villain would've been a nice thing for Bruce to deal, like some sort of Crazy Doctor that is planning to evolve humanity by using Gamma Radiation and turning people into Hulks, would've been insane to see a Army-like scene from Avengers 1 but instead of aliens it's just a bunch of weaker versions of Hulk.

  • @kieroncampion120
    @kieroncampion120 21 день тому +4

    He abandoned Natasha for the same reason he abandoned Betty.
    There's no future with him.

  • @rickjboi2115
    @rickjboi2115 12 днів тому +1

    Bro we NEED Rick Jones. He’s probably the most important character for the Hulk

  • @somanwokoye
    @somanwokoye 20 днів тому +3

    Didn’t know John Mulaney has a UA-cam channel

  • @GoldenGoblinSupport
    @GoldenGoblinSupport 21 день тому +37

    My theory has always been that Hulk was turned into a soyboy due to woke Disney perceiving him as literally "toxic masculinity". What better way to combat a green, super strong manly monster superhero than by turning him into... well... Phase 4 Hulk.

    • @FUh_Que_-
      @FUh_Que_- 21 день тому +5

      Bingo

    • @mr.iiconic
      @mr.iiconic 20 днів тому +6

      My theory is incompetent people are at the helm

    • @theketaminekid1241
      @theketaminekid1241 20 днів тому +3

      Meds

    • @redjirachi1
      @redjirachi1 16 днів тому +3

      Where did you even get the culture war from this?

    • @mr.iiconic
      @mr.iiconic 16 днів тому

      @@redjirachi1 they force their agenda into everything just like the liberals they hate so much

  • @austinrock7636
    @austinrock7636 18 днів тому +1

    It’s just crazy the timing on you making this and me looking for it lol

  • @DiigitalLove
    @DiigitalLove 14 днів тому +1

    Great video and all, I just want to mention you sound so much like Chef John from Food Wishes it's crazy. Same inflections and everything

    • @Fantagonistic
      @Fantagonistic  14 днів тому

      @@DiigitalLove Second time I’ve heard that, lol. Did not know who that was before! 😂

  • @alexanderthomas4425
    @alexanderthomas4425 20 днів тому +7

    When hulk started dating black widow first thing I said was where the fuck is Betty

  • @briandaleske5139
    @briandaleske5139 19 днів тому

    I agree with what was just mentioned, that’s about missing moments about the HULK, and how Bruce finally figured out a way to coexist with Hulk, to later become SmartHulk.

  • @owencoles2798
    @owencoles2798 13 днів тому +2

    I did and didn’t realize how much of hulk’s story is not shown. It’s a real let down.

  • @Caztendo
    @Caztendo 13 днів тому +1

    Hulk was one of marvels big three along with Spider-Man and wolverine but the movies didn’t give them enough justice Spider-Man and wolverine got it but it took awhile for wolverine to get up there

  • @The_Texorcist
    @The_Texorcist 20 днів тому +2

    I love the phase 1 hulk. He was not just a monster but a scary monster. It fit the whole Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde thing with banner being a meek soft mannered guy who has this monster inside of him. The hulk was a monster of pure rage while the later films portrayed him as a big oaf and later getting rid of the hulk persona all together. Now I get it… that phase one version of the Hulk wouldn’t be right for any avengers team so I understand why they soften the character up a bit. Still though I do prefer the phase one version.
    On top of that, I also prefer the phase one version of Bruce Banner way more than the Ruffalo version.

  • @israelruiz8706
    @israelruiz8706 16 днів тому +1

    Tbf the reasom we didnt get a big hulk origin story is because it hadnt been that long since that other hulk movie had come out.
    Its a different continuity but it worked as a spiritual sequel. Which in that context it works well but years later revisiting hulk 2008 just feels odd

  • @martezdetroit3164
    @martezdetroit3164 21 день тому +1

    Great video Pal....well done 💪

  • @thedeadpoolwhochuckles.6852
    @thedeadpoolwhochuckles.6852 21 день тому +8

    Why does Hulks son look like George Costanza?

    • @Fantagonistic
      @Fantagonistic  21 день тому +1

      @@thedeadpoolwhochuckles.6852 If that voice and personality start coming out if him it could win me over.

  • @thatonedudegames
    @thatonedudegames 12 днів тому +1

    I hate how he looks just like a green Mark Ruffalo. Give Hulk his own face!!!

  • @mathias_c_2756
    @mathias_c_2756 21 день тому +5

    Everyone wants the rage monster back or at least an actual version of Banner and Hulk at peace with each other but still being the Incredible Hulk (EMH the best example or more recent the Marvel Rivals version), but things aside for current MCU hulk, It's even an awful adaptation of Professor Hulk, at least the comic version of him did silly things like using guns or going all brawn despite having mental locks to prevent him from going savage, there was also the whole closure between Banner and their personas being merged with help of Doc Samson. MCU didn't even try to go in depth in that aspect. Or, if they wanted the other modern smart hulk, they could have used Doc Green for the future Maestro route if they are even hinting at that in the future. (considering we don't know the procedures Banner went during the Blip, even with the scrapped Infinity war and Endgame scenes)

  • @HailEarendil
    @HailEarendil 21 день тому +5

    Mark Ruffalo was a poor choice.

  • @majinwarwulf
    @majinwarwulf 20 днів тому +2

    Hulk was defeated by the two greatest MARVEL villains of all time. Bad Writing and Licencing Rights.

  • @TyrantJaeger
    @TyrantJaeger 18 днів тому +1

    Blame Universal for refusing to make anymore Hulk movies for the MCU.

  • @gigagod3384
    @gigagod3384 16 днів тому +1

    The problem all started in Age of Ultron where Hulk lost a 1v1 with Iron Man. This completely shattered Hulk as character since it meant that the Hulk was a complete liability with 0 purpose for being on the team. Why have this unstable rage monster on the team who goes on rampages and turns on the team if he’s not the strongest member and secret weapon?

  • @darrylblake9680
    @darrylblake9680 9 днів тому

    Hulk went through all these phases in the comic books as well. The only people who wouldn't know this are people who don't read comics. And my guess, if they keep with the stories of hulk, we are going to see Bruce and Hulk split in Banner's attempt to get rid of the hulk completely and instead creating a monster hulk. One so savage that there is no good and evil, just anger at everything.

  • @sahilhossain8204
    @sahilhossain8204 11 днів тому +1

    Lore of The De-Evolution of HULK Across the MCU momentum 100

  • @austinrock7636
    @austinrock7636 18 днів тому +2

    Thank god people are talking about this more. They need to replace Mark mannn

  • @aibdan-si7fk
    @aibdan-si7fk 13 днів тому

    I always thought the explanation was Bruce using the infinity gauntlet is why he’s “smart hulk”
    Plot armor, I guess.

  • @windandfireproductions5358
    @windandfireproductions5358 21 день тому +17

    They massacred my boy
    Literally my 3rd favorite marvel character

    • @SwiftSSJ
      @SwiftSSJ 16 днів тому +1

      First Two? (I'm curious if you Don't mind sharing)

    • @windandfireproductions5358
      @windandfireproductions5358 13 днів тому +1

      @@SwiftSSJspider-man and Wolverine
      Yours?

    • @SwiftSSJ
      @SwiftSSJ 13 днів тому

      @@windandfireproductions5358 Wolverine, second is tied between cyclops and nightcrawler

  • @BrownMan-gg7dx
    @BrownMan-gg7dx 12 днів тому +1

    I would have rather them continued the story with Edward Norton. I know it was some negotiation issues behind doors as to why he didn't continue the role of Bruce but his story was so interesting and improved heavily over the 2003 hulk movie.

  • @jesterhead4393
    @jesterhead4393 10 днів тому

    Honestly we need a really good writer who cares about the hulk to come in and turn him into the maestro, it’s the only way to save him

  • @shanechannel7066
    @shanechannel7066 9 днів тому

    *Explanation*
    Universal still owns the distribution rights to Hulk. Thats means if Marvel made make a solo Hulk movie, they would be contractually obligated to give Universal first pick to release the movie in theaters under the universal name. Universal doesn't have to accept the offer, but they still get first dibs. Thats also means Universal would get majority box office revenue over Disney/Marvel. Marvel can still use Hulk freely as a team-up or supporting character, but not as a solo lead. That explains why things keep happening to the hulk off-screen. Since Hulk movies have never been a box office cash cow, Marvel is perfectly happy keeping him as a b-cup and letting Universal collect royalties on the side.

  • @ericramos5144
    @ericramos5144 9 днів тому

    They had hulk looking like Ronnie from jersey shore 😂

  • @flynnoldman3542
    @flynnoldman3542 20 днів тому +1

    They could have covered alot of this if they would have made a Hulk movie showing how they become Smart Hulk. Plus to compensate for a lack of an origin story, I consider the Incredible Hulk movie with Eric Bana sort of an "unofficial marvel movie".

  • @dmwanderer9454
    @dmwanderer9454 11 днів тому

    My problem is that Hulk was literally killed off. The MCU Professor Hulk is just Banner in a Hulk flesh suit, with the Hulk persona being completely erased

  • @nstooge
    @nstooge 19 днів тому +2

    Marvel be like….Hey, let’s slowly make Hulk into a woke wimp….

  • @coolwata105
    @coolwata105 19 днів тому +2

    De-Evolution is far too proper a description.
    They NEUTERED
    the Once Incredible HULK😡.
    I kept waiting for his arc to come full circle especially after Ragnarok.
    They were on a mission to destroy this character and SheHulk was the final nail in the coffin.

  • @jokuvaan5175
    @jokuvaan5175 21 день тому +1

    "Somehow the Hulk returned... with character change"

  • @bobbywilliams2839
    @bobbywilliams2839 20 днів тому +3

    I'm a huge hulk fan and that's why I hate the MCU now. Especially how they are introducing red hulk.

    • @Fantagonistic
      @Fantagonistic  20 днів тому +1

      @@bobbywilliams2839 Red Hulk who doesn’t act like Red Hulk not fighting Hulk is such a disappointing choice.

  • @RealCoachMustafa
    @RealCoachMustafa 16 днів тому

    In pro wrestling, the term used to describe a character like MCU Hulk is "jobber." A jobber exists only to show how much stronger the other guy is. And that's what MCU Hulk does. He only exists to show the audience how strong is Iron Man, Thor, Thanos, She-Hulk, etc.

  • @astastaria538
    @astastaria538 13 днів тому +1

    The MCU truly did ruin the Hulk and did him dirty. The fanfare of the Hulk has been watered down by Disney and he is no longer viewed as the strongest amongst nor feared members of the Avengers.
    Also by not having Betty included where is the set-up for Red She-Hulk

  • @James-vx2om
    @James-vx2om 11 днів тому

    One of the most powerful hero and now he’s doing yoga

  • @iTs_ThE_qUeNcHiEsT
    @iTs_ThE_qUeNcHiEsT 21 день тому +1

    A hulk movie in between infinity war and endgame would be AWESOME 8:45

  • @taqresu5865
    @taqresu5865 13 днів тому

    At the very least, I think they could have at least elaborated on whatever vision Wanda showed Bruce in Age of Ultron. They made it a point that Wanda wanted to get him to Hulk out, and they used her other mental trips to reveal pivotal character moments.
    Maybe they could have had Banner relive the domestic abuse from his father Brian. Diving into his trauma worked for Ang Lee's Hulk. At least that would have given Bruce some much needed development. It would also help us feel for him as he's shivering in fear on the Quinjet later, and maybe even tie into his romantic relationships since he never had a stable parental role model.
    But no... We sadly don't get anything like that.

  • @GeneralProfessor
    @GeneralProfessor 11 днів тому

    Hulk was sacrificed so that the Black Widow could have her "Beauty and the Beast" story. That's why she "tamed" him (and in doing so the fundamental concept of his character was destroyed).

  • @johnnyt71982
    @johnnyt71982 20 днів тому +1

    Can't be having strong male characters can we. They did this to him and Thor to make Captain Feminism the strongest character in Endgame.

  • @griff1240
    @griff1240 19 днів тому

    Hulk really needs another solo movie, and they probably should’ve kept Norton

  • @mkingISTP
    @mkingISTP 14 днів тому +1

    The hulk represents masculine rage and they hate masculinity

  • @AmbassadorofSalem
    @AmbassadorofSalem 6 днів тому

    This is where "women probably aren't even comfortable around you" gets us

  • @EE-iv5ej
    @EE-iv5ej 13 днів тому

    They turned the Incredible Hulk to the Credible Hulk

  • @seiferblade9180
    @seiferblade9180 15 днів тому +2

    Such a shame. Love the Incredible Hulk and what he’s capable of. Everyone should be at least a bit apprehensive around him but we see how he’s portrayed after Avengers. Sadly if we ever want to truly see him it will just be in comics now. He’s a joke (literally) now until he’s rebooted. Also agree, way too much off screen character development. I didn’t watch She-Hulk but seeing him in that has just ruined this movie version of him for me as well. For me, I need a reboot to bring me back

  • @mediamanjamessmith251
    @mediamanjamessmith251 20 днів тому +1

    7:31 I honestly hate how we all said “Wow, the Hulk feels fear, what great character development” and the directors said “No, Hulk was just fed up with Bruce constantly calling on him”

    • @Fantagonistic
      @Fantagonistic  20 днів тому +2

      @@mediamanjamessmith251 I remember reading that once, but it is just so obviously incorrect, even within the movie itself that it’s crazy they’d ever say that.

    • @mediamanjamessmith251
      @mediamanjamessmith251 20 днів тому +1

      @ I know right. If you take into account what the Hulk is (the manifestation of Bruce’s anger from the age of 5) it makes sense why he would be scared as despite being a powerful brute, Hulk is mentally a 5 year old child (hence his behavior and childlike way of speaking in Thor Ragnarok)
      SIDE NOTE: From my research this is what occurs when personalities split due to said disorder (the age of development is the age the off shoot personality exhibits) which really surprised me that Stan Lee went to such efforts when developing Bruce & Hulk’s backstory (or it was somehow an incredible coincidence… pun absolutely intended)
      ADDITIONAL NOTE: Grey Hulk/Joe Fixit should have been introduced before Smart/Prof Hulk was, perhaps in Infinity War as a reaction to Savage Hulk refusing to participate (which would feed into his name “Fixit”). This is because, Smart/Prof Hulk is the perfect union between the controller (Bruce), Id (Savage Hulk) and Super Ego (Grey Hulk/Joe Fixit) to explain why Smart/Prof Hulk has the facets of personalities, abilities and powers of all three while still being one

  • @devenstrouse1929
    @devenstrouse1929 21 день тому +2

    Bruce Banner/Hulk were my favorite thing about the first Avengers

    • @Fantagonistic
      @Fantagonistic  21 день тому +2

      @@devenstrouse1929 He was quite good in there. I was disappointed to lose Norton, but the writing really won me over.

  • @John93965
    @John93965 19 днів тому +2

    I just want to say good video from the guy. But the Hulk’s relationship with Black Widow wasn’t really that bad and doesn’t deserve the hate that it gets.

    • @Fantagonistic
      @Fantagonistic  19 днів тому +3

      @@John93965 With at least some reference to Betty I really think this new relationship would have been received better.

    • @John93965
      @John93965 19 днів тому

      @@Fantagonistic Pfft. Betty Ross is so boring and old news.

    • @arglebargle5531
      @arglebargle5531 9 днів тому

      ​@@John93965 huh? She's been arguably the most violent member of Hulk's core cast for over a decade at this point.

  • @briandaleske5139
    @briandaleske5139 19 днів тому

    I hope someday, that a new different (INCREDIBLE HULK) movie, could get made, that’s about a variant of Bruce who became Hulk.
    I imagine the variant of Bruce Banner, is in his early twenties, and I imagine a full reveal about how Bruce became Hulk.
    Plus to add the many issues that (Bruce Banner) had gone through, before he finally figures out ways to handle, his other self known as Hulk.

  • @briandaleske5139
    @briandaleske5139 19 днів тому

    I also hope the M.C.U. makes a live-action (INCREDIBLE HULK) show someday.
    I strongly feel this way, it can show off a proper origin, that reveals the day when Bruce, first turned into Hulk, and the long journey he goes on.
    In addition I imagine Bruce’s journey, lasts for four years, until the day Bruce finally figures out a way, to control the transformation of becoming the Hulk.
    I imagine the way he does it, is due to the knowledge he had gained, by three different types of teachers, one in Buda meditation, the other in Temper Control, and the other in Mental Understanding.
    “On a side note; I imagine that the First Season of the (INCREDIBLE HULK) show has ten episodes made for it.”
    “And if the First Season becomes a success, then I imagine that twelve episodes, would be made for the Second Season.”

  • @hypergrizzly4778
    @hypergrizzly4778 21 день тому +2

    Disney ruins everything until pixar steps in to fix them

  • @darthkreed
    @darthkreed 8 днів тому

    I'm telling y'all... Bring back Norton Hulk!! And Betty!! Ruffalo Hulk is a Multiverse variant!!!!😂😂😂