I was there for all 4 days and it was a real treat. I've been involved with racing and a fan for a lot of years never thought i'd see an F1 car on the track at DIS. It was special!!!!
I think because of what happened with IMS, Daytona may never happen, even though the current layout with the front stretch chicane might be perfect for F1 now.
I'm not so sure. IMS had a high g corner with banking and coarse asphalt. At Daytona you don't really pull that many G's on the banking, the asphalt is way smoother, and the banking is harder reducing the side load. I think the bigger issue is the rest of the track: things like the pits not being separated, not enough runoff in T1, etc probably disqualify it from being "certified" by the FIA for F1.
Daytona would be a unique event on the F1 calendar, just like Monza with the high banks. Pirellie would need a very tough tire there though, and the race would be only 52 laps, about the same as Xfinity race there now.
I think it's too dangerous as the F1 cars aren't built to race in packs. The cars would need modifications. It would be an interesting time trial, but still dangerous.
@@xxxYYZxxx The banking is wider than any other F1 track and F1 cars don't really like to draft because of the turbulence off of the back of the cars. But it still would be interesting.
@Antares X not exactly, if you understand the daytona bank's, they require aton of skill if you want to put other cars, with the speed you gain, and other shit, F1's wouldn't work because of many reasons, its not because the track is "bad" its not that what so ever.
Please let them come back! I could hear the cars at the track but wasn't able to get inside.. Please please please come back.... Just once I want to hear and see those V10 F1 cars in person!!
This is awesome. Just that sound at one of my favorite tracks. They did run Indy. I think they could do it here. Monza did have tall banking back in the day
They’d need more chicanes If one of those tyres had a high speed come apart it might kill a driver instantly at the speeds they’d be going. Honestly Laguna Seca or Road Atlanta would be more interesting because of the massive elevation changes in a very short span. That would require way more downforce to hold them on the corkscrew or the final turn at RA and thus slow them down in other areas.
Possibly my stopwatch was slow, but I clocked a 1 minute 48 second lap with this F1 racer. In comparison, the IMSA prototypes were clocking around 1 minute 36 seconds with the printed reports I read. So, it piqued my curiosity of what an IMSA prototype on UA-cam would be clocked at from my same stopwatch. It took considerable effort to find a cockpit/driver's view of an IMSA racer on the same road course for a time comparison. I found one of an AMG GT3 driven by Cooper MacNeil, where he clicked off a 1 minute 50 second lap. It seems that IMSA has a heavy control of what videos are uploaded from its field of competitors. If you can find an IMSA sports prototype at speed from the driver's view, put a stopwatch to it and compare that time to what this Ferrari F1 car did on this video.
LOL,,I stop-watched it as well came in at 147.84 and when I compared it to the IMSA GTLM C8R practice times, the C8R turned laps at 142.364 in 2020 Daytona. I would have thought an F1 would have been much faster.
@@MrGordy41 Thanks for checking on that, much appreciate it! This F1 lap time, even when I didn't have a stopwatch to it, the F1 seemed slower than what I recall viewing an illegal stream, on UA-cam, of the Daytona 24 hour race from January; where the video was a live feed from the driver's view of a top 5 competitor. Sadly, YT pulled the plug on that stream at around the 10 hour mark. I'll venture a guess the Ferrari F1, with being quick in the corners, but the gearing for quick acceleration would hold-down the top speed on the banking and the straight.
@@bloqk16 I found a couple links that might be what you were looking for, both from 2020 Dayton 24 Hr. C8R ua-cam.com/video/JG9_-XXSz9g/v-deo.html Cadillac DP ua-cam.com/video/hoxP3fPWgn8/v-deo.html
If he did not brake to make the kink, he could have gone 3-4 seconds quicker a lap. I also think he is taking the back stretch chicane a little conservatively.
he could literally go 10+ seconds quicker. massive amounts of time on the table pretty much everywhere. braking into T1, the kink (should be flat or close to), and the bus stop chicane are probably all 3+ seconds lost in each.
Cool but too bad it’s not an active team & driver who could actually drive the car close to the limit. This guy is nowhere close but I understand there’s too much at stake for a private owner to risk an off. Great hearing that power but not great hearing those super early lifts. 🤷🏻♂️
To the people saying F1 should run here. You guys forgot about the infamous 2005 GP at Indy. F1 tires arent designed to handle the forces generated on banked turns for long periods. Pirelli and F1 could develop a tire for the purpose. But it wouldn't be worth it for one race.
Well they got Zandvoort on the calendar now, turn 3 and the last corner are banked there. it may need a new special compound but the real problem was that in 2005, there was multiple tires suppliers, so if you weren't ready for Indy it was on you. I can't see that ever happening again with the one-supplier strategy they got now.
The actual problem was with the grooved surface on the banked corner that caused heavy stress on the tyres. Bridgestone didn’t have as much of an issue as Michelin did thanks to their American subsidiary Firestone being the sole tyre supplier of IndyCar.
f1 cars have a clutch located below the paddle shifters that has to be manually activated. Once you pull that in you decide when to release it and off you go
Why not an F1 race on the Daytona Road course? Top end speed and technical driving!!!!! (oh yeah!! 20 drivers (most of which) have never driven the track)
@@tanoooo you know the record in race of a F1 car is 372.5 km/h. When the F1 has V10 engines, they could reach 375kph. In 2005, BAR-Honda registered a speed of 397 km/h in the desert of Mojave, USA and established an unofficial speed record of 413 km/h in Utah.
I don't think that the driver was really familiar / comfortable with the layout of the track. He didn't drive any portion of the track nearly as aggressively as it could have been done.
It'd be practically impossible to get Daytona to FIA Grade 1 specifications without bypassing the oval entirely (at which point why bother). Indycar already has issues with Indianapolis and Pocono with the high speeds of contemporary Indycars. Any crash on the banking would produce severe injuries due to the lack of runoff (SAFER barriers can only do so much) and would probably be fatal if the car is clobbered by other cars like Antoine Hubert's death. Banking of any kind is usually frowned upon in F1 following the 2005 US GP at Indy also. Zandvoort is the exception that proves the rule as they negotiated with the FIA for their 18 degrees banked final turn or about half of Daytona's 31 degrees banking
More or less for safety. 18 degrees of Zandvoort was pushing it but Zandvoort is a classic circuit. Also Zandvoort is coming out of a relatively slow section (for F1). Whereas Daytona they’d be flat out coming out of the infield until halfway down the back straight. Crash barriers are good but there is a limit.
The reason why they sound like that is because they (this particular car anyway) have 10 cylinders bouncing around at 18,000 RPM, pumping out about 800 horsepower from 3 liters. That’s the sound of a technical masterpiece.
This is pretty embarrassing... who is 'driving' this car? Parading the car, would be a more accurate description. Clearly not anyone who has even raced karts.
Wait... So F1 Cars are able to drive on Ovals? I´d say add at least 1 Oval Race to the Calendar so we can have some big crashes! (With hopefully very good safety so the driver only has minor damage to his body like a broken elbow or something, so he wont die)
You should want an F1 oval race because it's a different style of racing and so you can see how the drivers adapt to this form of racing, not because the crashes. Even most Nascar fans will tell you that the crashes are only interesting for 10 seconds before you wish that it hadn't have happened.
American stock fan here who makes strictly F1 content so I’ll defend the F1’ers here. This will never happen unless you want everyone to die. F1 cars are built on aero dynamics and top end 15% higher. The massive speed advantage comes at costs. Stock is sturdier and built more for average times aka why they measure average speed. There is no “average” speed in f1 bc technical skill dictates braking zones and down forces - hence why circuits have 18-24 turns, different angles, and elements An oval track would literally just breed drivers going +230 mph and whoever can get an inside edge wins. So the worlds most competitive and technical drivers, ALL IN OPEN WHEEL COCKPITS, asked to gain the one single advantage they can... speed. Not to mention how ridiculously sensitive to dirty air F1 cars are. And traction on of all that. So if you want to see a car literally take flight on a Daytona bank and multiple drivers to die, sure. Let’s go to Daytona boys haha. But I can promise you it’s not F1 fans being snobs. Give em a chance. The beauty is in the technicals not just raw speed. A late brake to me is much sexier than a top end average lap time
I was there for all 4 days and it was a real treat. I've been involved with racing and a fan for a lot of years never thought i'd see an F1 car on the track at DIS. It was special!!!!
I think because of what happened with IMS, Daytona may never happen, even though the current layout with the front stretch chicane might be perfect for F1 now.
I'm not so sure. IMS had a high g corner with banking and coarse asphalt. At Daytona you don't really pull that many G's on the banking, the asphalt is way smoother, and the banking is harder reducing the side load. I think the bigger issue is the rest of the track: things like the pits not being separated, not enough runoff in T1, etc probably disqualify it from being "certified" by the FIA for F1.
Daytona would be a unique event on the F1 calendar, just like Monza with the high banks. Pirellie would need a very tough tire there though, and the race would be only 52 laps, about the same as Xfinity race there now.
I think it's too dangerous as the F1 cars aren't built to race in packs. The cars would need modifications. It would be an interesting time trial, but still dangerous.
@@xxxYYZxxx The banking is wider than any other F1 track and F1 cars don't really like to draft because of the turbulence off of the back of the cars. But it still would be interesting.
@@xxxYYZxxx there aero in packs is trash. They’d all crash and fall off the bank
Bring back the v10 and v12. I know they drank more fuel but Damn!! They sounded way meaner
It would be awesome to have an actual race there.
Bonkasneeze yea man and it would change with circuit of the americas every year
Also, let it be on the oval
Short shifting half throttle and not hitting top gear. I dont blame them!
The amount of opportunities for overtaking on these tracks would be astronomical.
@Antares X not exactly, if you understand the daytona bank's, they require aton of skill if you want to put other cars, with the speed you gain, and other shit, F1's wouldn't work because of many reasons, its not because the track is "bad" its not that what so ever.
Please let them come back! I could hear the cars at the track but wasn't able to get inside.. Please please please come back.... Just once I want to hear and see those V10 F1 cars in person!!
I think they're the V8s but honestly they sound similar
@@TNTHammer I'm surprised and pleasantly thrilled to see you here
@@TNTHammer The car in the video is a V10.
The sound of the flyby on the straights had to be awesome.
0:49
This is awesome. Just that sound at one of my favorite tracks. They did run Indy. I think they could do it here. Monza did have tall banking back in the day
Yeah, back in the day when the cars were nothing like today's cars. It's not really a good comparison
So long as michelin doesnt bring the tyres...
@@christopherjefferson3561
I see someone remembers the worst F1 race ever.
They’d need more chicanes
If one of those tyres had a high speed come apart it might kill a driver instantly at the speeds they’d be going.
Honestly Laguna Seca or Road Atlanta would be more interesting because of the massive elevation changes in a very short span.
That would require way more downforce to hold them on the corkscrew or the final turn at RA and thus slow them down in other areas.
theres a reason open wheel cars dont race at Daytona
What a sound! Nothing like Ferrari Power!
Wait. Did his transmission just shift down like 6 gears in like 2 seconds.
Yes, and it's an old car.
Its an f1 car... duuh
F1 is like that
Dahhhhhhh
These particular cars could downshift faster.
F1 during Speed Week would be great,
It must have been a hell of a playday. :)
I would imagine that driver just hated it when they told him to keep in under 5 tenths..
Driver didn't seem to mind much... kept it around 2 tenths in some places like the bus stop.
Possibly my stopwatch was slow, but I clocked a 1 minute 48 second lap with this F1 racer. In comparison, the IMSA prototypes were clocking around 1 minute 36 seconds with the printed reports I read. So, it piqued my curiosity of what an IMSA prototype on UA-cam would be clocked at from my same stopwatch.
It took considerable effort to find a cockpit/driver's view of an IMSA racer on the same road course for a time comparison. I found one of an AMG GT3 driven by Cooper MacNeil, where he clicked off a 1 minute 50 second lap.
It seems that IMSA has a heavy control of what videos are uploaded from its field of competitors.
If you can find an IMSA sports prototype at speed from the driver's view, put a stopwatch to it and compare that time to what this Ferrari F1 car did on this video.
LOL,,I stop-watched it as well came in at 147.84 and when I compared it to the IMSA GTLM C8R practice times, the C8R turned laps at 142.364 in 2020 Daytona. I would have thought an F1 would have been much faster.
@@MrGordy41 Thanks for checking on that, much appreciate it!
This F1 lap time, even when I didn't have a stopwatch to it, the F1 seemed slower than what I recall viewing an illegal stream, on UA-cam, of the Daytona 24 hour race from January; where the video was a live feed from the driver's view of a top 5 competitor. Sadly, YT pulled the plug on that stream at around the 10 hour mark.
I'll venture a guess the Ferrari F1, with being quick in the corners, but the gearing for quick acceleration would hold-down the top speed on the banking and the straight.
@@MrGordy41 he is not going as fast as F1 can go, you can also see that he is shifting more sooner than he can. it can go much faster trust me
@@bloqk16 I found a couple links that might be what you were looking for, both from 2020 Dayton 24 Hr.
C8R
ua-cam.com/video/JG9_-XXSz9g/v-deo.html
Cadillac DP
ua-cam.com/video/hoxP3fPWgn8/v-deo.html
@@ylzerb6188 Yes, I would have to imagine so. It would be great to see an F1 race come to Daytona.
v10 with slicks ;)
If he did not brake to make the kink, he could have gone 3-4 seconds quicker a lap. I also think he is taking the back stretch chicane a little conservatively.
The car is stuck, not as great as it sucessors, plus the driver is decent.
he could literally go 10+ seconds quicker. massive amounts of time on the table pretty much everywhere. braking into T1, the kink (should be flat or close to), and the bus stop chicane are probably all 3+ seconds lost in each.
This is what you can do if you are SUPER rich, and can purchase/collect F1 Ferrari's. You get the factory on special events.
0:48 Listen to that v12 in the background it sounds so majestic
I was there! A great event!
Cool but too bad it’s not an active team & driver who could actually drive the car close to the limit. This guy is nowhere close but I understand there’s too much at stake for a private owner to risk an off. Great hearing that power but not great hearing those super early lifts. 🤷🏻♂️
Revving very low too?
Is that the new Camry?
Fuel milage is going to be horendus.
mmm when an f1 car sounded like an f1 car
really weird too see that thing on slicks
I was thinking the exact same thing
this could have been the fastest f1 track
even faster than monza
probably not faster than Bahrain oval
How about if Indycars ran the roadcourse at Daytona?
love the banking
To the people saying F1 should run here. You guys forgot about the infamous 2005 GP at Indy. F1 tires arent designed to handle the forces generated on banked turns for long periods. Pirelli and F1 could develop a tire for the purpose. But it wouldn't be worth it for one race.
Well they got Zandvoort on the calendar now, turn 3 and the last corner are banked there. it may need a new special compound but the real problem was that in 2005, there was multiple tires suppliers, so if you weren't ready for Indy it was on you. I can't see that ever happening again with the one-supplier strategy they got now.
The actual problem was with the grooved surface on the banked corner that caused heavy stress on the tyres. Bridgestone didn’t have as much of an issue as Michelin did thanks to their American subsidiary Firestone being the sole tyre supplier of IndyCar.
It’s been 71 years ..until a F1 car returns on an oval track
its not an oval
Finally some cool stuff
I was wanting to see an F1 race on the tri-oval, no needing to shift gears just hug the wall
Who's driving the car
There is hope for a possible IndyCar race on the road course at Daytona in the future
Bring F1 here come on !
It would be really dangerous in the banking
@@bkkz33 u got indycars going around here it wont be that bad i assume
They dont go to Daytona lol
Also f1 cars arent the same as indycars.
@@bkkz33 Far faster now. They have more downforce, less drag, and more efficient hybrid engines.
Mais attaque, 'tin ! Si je pouvais profiter d'un outil comme ça, je ne ferai pas du tourisme comme tu nous le montre !
I been waiting for years for Atari pole position 3 Forza Ferrari .
Somebody plug my remote into Forza please.
F1 fans be like: "what a slow ass pit!"
Is this a 1999 ferrari?
Is that an F1-2000?
This is F399, isn't it?
@@kurimuultimate8449 yes
@@SS454LS6 which of the two?
@@4ll4nb31l It's the F399. I was a bit confused by the front inner end plates being red, but you can see the sidepods have the F399 outter step up.
What happened with the clutch at takeoff? Is it an autoclutching manual?
f1 cars have a clutch located below the paddle shifters that has to be manually activated. Once you pull that in you decide when to release it and off you go
Why not an F1 race on the Daytona Road course? Top end speed and technical driving!!!!! (oh yeah!! 20 drivers (most of which) have never driven the track)
It'd be interesting to see where they'll put the start/finish (I know there is already a start/finish but that's on a banking.
Now the cars might be too fast. They would be doing almost 240 mph at the line maybe.
@@ethanweeter2732 too much drag from the aero. 220 tops is my guess
Anybody know how fast they were going?
he looked like he was reaching speeds of 230mph on the last straight
@@datsie14 definitely not. 230mph is 370kph those cars couldnt even reach that speed in their age never mind setup
@@tanoooo you know the record in race of a F1 car is 372.5 km/h. When the F1 has V10 engines, they could reach 375kph. In 2005, BAR-Honda registered a speed of 397 km/h in the desert of Mojave, USA and established an unofficial speed record of 413 km/h in Utah.
@@johnhenry9453 bruh wow never knew that
F399
Badass
why did he slow down for the kink, hes got more than enough lightness and downforce to get through it flat out
I don't think that the driver was really familiar / comfortable with the layout of the track. He didn't drive any portion of the track nearly as aggressively as it could have been done.
Sweet
Looks awesome but dangerous as fuck
is that the 2002 ferrari?
No, should be the F399 from 1999 : )
Music!!!!!!!
Why @FORMULA 1 doesn't race in here?
dangerous
It'd be practically impossible to get Daytona to FIA Grade 1 specifications without bypassing the oval entirely (at which point why bother). Indycar already has issues with Indianapolis and Pocono with the high speeds of contemporary Indycars. Any crash on the banking would produce severe injuries due to the lack of runoff (SAFER barriers can only do so much) and would probably be fatal if the car is clobbered by other cars like Antoine Hubert's death. Banking of any kind is usually frowned upon in F1 following the 2005 US GP at Indy also. Zandvoort is the exception that proves the rule as they negotiated with the FIA for their 18 degrees banked final turn or about half of Daytona's 31 degrees banking
More or less for safety. 18 degrees of Zandvoort was pushing it but Zandvoort is a classic circuit. Also Zandvoort is coming out of a relatively slow section (for F1). Whereas Daytona they’d be flat out coming out of the infield until halfway down the back straight. Crash barriers are good but there is a limit.
They use km/h and not Liberty/oil baril so it's incompatible
Would be wild to have f1 at Daytona ... ...fia would never ever go for it ... way to dangerous
The road course probably but yeah
F2004?
F399 from 1999
Please F1 give us these engines back in modern F1, V6 hybrid is a terrible sound more like a flymo lawnmower .
Ferrari F2000
Damm thing sounded like it was gonna pop going into the bus stop
angry buzzing bees
The reason why they sound like that is because they (this particular car anyway) have 10 cylinders bouncing around at 18,000 RPM, pumping out about 800 horsepower from 3 liters. That’s the sound of a technical masterpiece.
Ferrariman601 the whole point of stock car racing is for it not to be a technical masterpiece.
@@F-Man The engine sounds were all high pitched back then (NASCAR & Formula 1)
@@brotatochip7001 stock cars are...well...stock. And F1 cars have all these electronics
@@Goldblasterblaze Yeah, but WOT in a stock car back then was basically just off idle for an F1 engine back then 😝
OK
He drives too slow around the curves.
He’s not a professional driver
This is pretty embarrassing... who is 'driving' this car? Parading the car, would be a more accurate description. Clearly not anyone who has even raced karts.
Hey atleast he gets to drive it, unlike you :)
This guy is driving very slowly. A F1 can go much faster. Specially through the curves. This is grandmother cruising
The engine would blow up if he went full throttle around those banked curves
Wait... So F1 Cars are able to drive on Ovals? I´d say add at least 1 Oval Race to the Calendar so we can have some big crashes! (With hopefully very good safety so the driver only has minor damage to his body like a broken elbow or something, so he wont die)
Nah, that won't happen...suddenly all the F1 snobs would have to change their attitude towards turning left.
If your only desire for F1 to have an oval race is to have big crashes, you need to have your priorities checked....
You should want an F1 oval race because it's a different style of racing and so you can see how the drivers adapt to this form of racing, not because the crashes. Even most Nascar fans will tell you that the crashes are only interesting for 10 seconds before you wish that it hadn't have happened.
American stock fan here who makes strictly F1 content so I’ll defend the F1’ers here.
This will never happen unless you want everyone to die. F1 cars are built on aero dynamics and top end 15% higher. The massive speed advantage comes at costs. Stock is sturdier and built more for average times aka why they measure average speed. There is no “average” speed in f1 bc technical skill dictates braking zones and down forces - hence why circuits have 18-24 turns, different angles, and elements An oval track would literally just breed drivers going +230 mph and whoever can get an inside edge wins. So the worlds most competitive and technical drivers, ALL IN OPEN WHEEL COCKPITS, asked to gain the one single advantage they can... speed. Not to mention how ridiculously sensitive to dirty air F1 cars are. And traction on of all that. So if you want to see a car literally take flight on a Daytona bank and multiple drivers to die, sure. Let’s go to Daytona boys haha. But I can promise you it’s not F1 fans being snobs. Give em a chance. The beauty is in the technicals not just raw speed. A late brake to me is much sexier than a top end average lap time
@@CYMotorsport damn well put my man!