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Personally, I'm holding out for 40,000 nits! If the TV doesn't immediately burn the retinas right out of my eyes the second I turn it on...then I DON'T WANT IT!!!
40,000 nits is satisfactory for watching shows such as the Golden Girls or Alf, but if you really want some true brightness wait for 100,000 nits. 100k nits will require dedicated commercial power line installed to your home, but worth every penny.
@@n815e Unlike Smartphones, ads have crept into all range of TVs. For example in India, you can flind unnecessary apps and promotions in all lower - mid range phones from Samsung but the top end Galaxy S series does not have this issue. Atleast in premium top end TVs, the UX should not be degraded due to big banner ads on the home screen.
@@SumoAustin It is not only about the enthusiast. Even in the top end premium TVs, you get ads degrading the UX. If people are willing to pay for ad free experience (example Apple TV 4K) then they should have the option. Amazon ruined its FireTV Cube (top end streaming device from Amazon) similarly. Imagine buying a SONY, LG or SAMSUNG flagship TV and being greeted by ads on the home screen even after paying $2000.
If I talk to most of my friends, they have no clue what the difference between LED and OLED is, let alone how good OLED is. My guess is that the typical TV buyer doesn't know either.
I have a 77 inch A95L in a room with good blinds, not blackout but they do a good job. I often run my tv at or near minimum brightness. If it’s sunny I’m still under 50% brightness. I couldn’t imagine turning it to 100. At night with the lights of the lower brightness settings still have enough dynamic pop to make my eyes bleed. Why on earth would we ever want it brighter? Are TV manufacturers out of ideas and like what can we improve on now? Let’s make it brighter I guess?? I’m already squinting during explosions in movies and as a gamer I’m finding eye strain with extended use running in and out of dark game environments. The push to brighter is mind boggling.
I agree. I have an older C8 OLED in a light controlled room and have never felt it was lacking brightness. HDR can be overwhelmingly bright at times even in cinema mode. I'm convinced some people watch their TVs outside in direct sunlight.
I say we all just wait until 2030 and then see how much longer we can hold out because you know that all these TV influencers are going to be telling you the same story every year - its the biggest its the brightest it got the widest most accurate colour gamut! Buy the best TV for you at the best price you can get it and as long as it’s working well just enjoy it.
@@RockMathis Agreed. I love ultra bright LCDs and I mostly game on my TV, the biggest use case for BFI and even I find the zealots funny. Even if BFI is at 120hz its not increasing motion clarity to a level thats worth the brightness tradeoff, it makes HDR disappointing on my super bright FALD, on OLED is makes it borderline unusable in a lit room. Hopefully brands will have more reason to make BFI better quickly once displays become much brighter + have ultra power efficient backlights, then APL can be increased to compensate the brightness loss.
It might be useless to those who never have experienced great motion in tvs like crt/plasma or modern tv's with good BFI implementation. To each their own... @eyenmathis4824
It's quite interesting how what I care about completely differs from the mainstream. Smart TV is in the very last position... I'm using an Apple TV anyway. Power consumption plays a role, but as long as it's less than a plasma, I'm happy. OLED is very important, though I'd rather have QDEL or MicroLED. LED/Mini LED is a death sentence, unless it's a dual layer reference monitor. Brand doesn't matter. Preferably not Samsung, but I ended up with a Samsung regardless. Screen size isn't nearly as important as image quality. If you want a bigger image, move closer. Motion performance is important. Image optimization is switched off anyway, I don't want AI upscaling at all, I don't want artificial denoising, I don't want any form of image improvement, motion interpolation, ... I'd be very happy if they exactly emulate the way a plasma displays its image... color by color, "slowly" fading, pulsing longer for a brighter pixel, ...
@@SumoAustin Could be, but I want to see what is there, not what some AI, regardless of how good it is, thinks is there. I'm fine if it doesn't look as sharp. When I watch old VHS tapes, they ought to look like that. I'm quite happy with how the S95C/Apple TV does it. Didn't like how the Shield upscaled, don't like how Sony does it It's impressive, but it still looks artificial. It's a matter of taste and if you like it, great.
@@SumoAustin I will take integer scaling over A.I scaling 1000 times over, better yet, super-scaling, which actually multiplies the internal-resolution, A.I scaling has a heavy latency tax for both user input and video input, not to mention it's just another faux interpolation mode, pixel repetition, integer scaling, super-scaling are all incredible options. Post-production A.I algorithm upscaling is another thing, that can be done in however long you need for it to take, for live video feeds however, it's horrible.
@@SumoAustin Of course it doesn't alter the FPS, it adds latency to video chain, and increases input latency, because by definition whether A.I. or traditional interpolation methods, it's still faux frames, that is non-user input passive frames added in to native frames, that's how the A.I. machine learning works, increasing internal rendering is actually increasing fidelity by a massive scale, just look at Dolphin running Gamecube games in 4K with actual increased internal resolution, or Nvidia DSR 4X 4K super-scaling, Dolphin can take 240p and render it natively in 8K, just do a quick google search of Dolphin emulator 8K vs native and look at the images tab.
@@SumoAustin I think you might want to do a little more research there bud, your all over the place, take a look at the RetroTink 4K and see what it can do with 240p, it can use integer scaling to render 240p video or video games in immaculate 4K, Sony's Reality Creation tech is just pixel mapping, nothing to do with AI, of course latency still applies to video, as well as motion clarity, why would it not, point is, AI is just another poor interpolation tech that for discerning individuals is unwanted and unappealing, no one actually like the soap opera effect.
I used to believe that there is no way i would ever go back to a non OLED tv, but mini led tv's have continued to close the gap when it comes to contrast, so much so that the difference isn't worth the issues associated with burn in. Unless MicroLED is fast tracked and made available to at least premium consumer's affordability, i think more and more people will see the mini led market as the best option for larger sizes and superior brightness.
350 nits full screen would be old-school LCD brightness levels and brighter than consumer level CRTs ever got in full screen. If they can manage 350 then the companies could drive it in a unique way more similar to a plasma or one of the VR displays to really cut down on sample and hold motion blur. Imaginé a native 960 Hz scan out but at 120 frames per second
Momma says MiniLED fanboys are so ornery because they got all that brightness and no contrast Seriously though, I’ll take PERFECT blacks and infinite contrast over brightness. Brightness is only one factor and is the only thing MiniLED is good at. OLED is simply superior in every other way, don’t even get me started on response times for gaming. Until MicroLED becomes available for a reasonable price, LED users will just have to accept they’re using an inferior product to OLED.
Most people (non enthusiasts) just want a large screen at a low price and basically think all TVs are created equal. They really have no idea about TV tech or what contributes to good picture quality, and I'd say most don't care. They think a 4K TV will make everything look great and don't even watch 4K content on it. I've had friends comment on how good my 6 year old OLED looks and have had to explain to them about emissive vs. LED backlit, contrast ratio, HDR, etc. The information is easily available online but most just don't really care.
Who the heck did that survey? I don't care about "smart" features. You can add that with an external device. I want a large 8k bright screen with great upscaling and processing features. Lastly energy efficiency.
Guess I'm keeping my CX for another year. I've got burn-in already so just waiting to cash in that warranty. I was going to choose the S95D, but like I said on your livestream..the matte is an anti-enthusiast move. I may be able to live with that if the TV could actually hit 4k144hz in 10bit rgb, but to launch it with the same oneconnect is borderline criminal in my opinion
As someone who sells TVs i definitely feel like Quality of Smart TV Function, Size, & 4k are just about all the average consumer knows. Hell I might go as far to say the majority doesn't know there's quality difference at all they think they are buying a size and a brand. 4k & smart are the 2 other most common bits of previous information people come in with. Everyone has a question about the smart but honestly most the time I'd say 50% of people who bring up 4k don't know what it means. Never been asked about energy efficiency though lol I think that's something where when people saw it on the survey they are like OH YEA I WANT IT TO BE EFFICIENT but in reality in the store no ones thinking efficiency.
Quantum Dots don't care about how much energy you out through them, they just get as bright as you need and given that we're talking about direct output from QD to produce the light it should be as pure as possible. This should also be easily implemented in manufacturing, because existing LCD factories can be used to make them. Sharp has already said that if they get interest they will license the tech to other companies to make this display tech for next gen TVs. It should be entirely possible for brighter than the Hisense 10K nit TV, with infinite contrast and much lower power consumption. Cost will be far lower than MicroLED too. QDEL is the Holy Grail of 2D picture technology!
I have a hard time with this sort of survey. There are a ton of consumers who either have absolutely no idea what OLED is, believe that OLED and QLED are interchangeable, or believe that OLEDs are just super expensive.
I would easily choose a QDEL over OLED and even MiniLED if for example it could do 500+ nits at 100% window and 1500 nits at smaller windows for HDR highlights. Because with the bigger full screen brightness it will be more consistent. No ASBL and minimal ABL would also make it a winner. Full color gamut and no risk for burn in at all. Yep, that and big enough sizes and it will be the superior choise. That talk of 3700 nits is just for a split second and at 10K Kelvin. So you can tamper that down a lot when using D65 and any sustained HDR specular highlight is one that will dip instantly to much lower "sustainable" nits. Also the "MiniLED will never be like OLED". Sure maybe not in the dark. But it is already looking as good with light in the room 98% of the time. Because the infinite black doesn't matter when you have biological limitations of our eyes. The Veil effect. A deep dark grey is going to look black when next to a "lit up" object. So as MiniLED advances with more zones and fine tuned control. It will be harder to tell the difference. There will be ever smaller advantages of the OLED. People also forget OLED has problems with near black and hence "shadow detail" compared to MiniLEDs that do it right. Most black crush. But not Sony. Vast majority of people watch content with some light on.
What the hell is a multi-stack OLED panel going to cost though?! The problem is already the cost of, especially in 65"+ sizes, my customers often choose MiniLED almost purely because of the price, they want 75", 85 and even 100" TVs, £4500-6000 is way beyond the average consumer's budget and 97" OLEDs are still WAG tellys. If FALD LCD backlights can be improved (or the next thing comes to surpass them before MicroLED is mature) to give dark scenes that look the same as OLEDs outside of highlights that take up a few pixels then OLED will be in trouble. My country is football mad, they want bright and vibrant football, which is one area where OLED is resolutely beaten by bright LCD, so thats a major factor too.
Bare in mind OLED can not reproduce the incredible incandescence of late generation Plasma displays, even less so than the last generation of Kuro, nor can it match the 0.1ms motion response or the 1200 TVL (or so) of motion resolution that they have, they are also a very long way from the incredible greyscale and shadow resolution/detail Kuro's have, and using 4K super-scaling on the FHD RGB-Plasma Kuro's produces higher perceived resolution/fidelity than the "4K" pentile-OLED displays. What will finally surpass them though, is multi-stack Tandem-RGB-OLED with 8K or 16K 10,000 nit HDR.
Does the new sharp technology have the potential to surpass my Kuro? Btw I love my Kuro, it looks amazing even with a low quality streaming - just brilliant. I was hoping to increase the size but replicate the same; appears I have to wait; and yes @FOMO I am European and have a big space (plus a dedicated cinema room with Sony 4K laser projector) but sometimes I want to just sit and not watch a movie but a good series such as Silo or something on my TV in high quality or a game of soccer ⚽️
@@cestmoi7829 2025 is when things get interesting, look for the TCL and Samsung 8K RGB-OLED displays, dual-stack might not be until 2026, by which time 480Hz 8K should be available, as well as good HDR-BFI options, and possibly even RBFI options, so I'd say 2026 for the 8K 480Hz RBFI Tandem-RGB-OLED, and if you want the incandescence of pure phosphors like Plasma, 2027 should add PHOLED to that spec, we may even see 480Hz 12K RBFI Tandem-PHOLED. Of course elQD will have even great incandescence than even phosphors have, and if the decide to update elQD from RGB to 6P colour, it will be pretty incredible and actually really will be like looking through a window, but that's not until 2030-2035, so 2026/2027 will be the first time Kuro and NEO Plasma owners can upgrade to new displays (rather than downgrade).
I agree, really hoping lg especially improved their motion in 2025. 2024 seems like it’s more about processing, would be cool if they focus on motion and improving/fixing other problems in their 2025 tv.
We are sold on LG. My 2020 CX suits my living room with its large windows. So, if the situation occurs later this year, an LG C4 will suffice. No FOMO here!
Image quality and screen size should trump everything else. But modern consumers that spend half of their time staring at the screen of their phone don't seem to care about image quality anymore. Although, if you've never actually watched anything on an OLED, plasma or CRT and the only thing you've known is backlight bleeding, grays for blacks and blooming LCDs, you likely won't know what you're missing. There won't be a true OLED replacement until microLED TVs come in a realistic size and price. Also, IAMF won't be true spacial audio like Atmos, DTS:X and Auro-3D. Upmixing is upmixing. But if you're already using a sound bar for "Atmos", it's not like you're really getting a real Atmos experience anyway.
Nice to see someone knows what he's talking about, how far we have fallen from perfect motion, incredible dot-pitch fill-rates, and fine details, with jaw dropping true hardware accelerated multi-positional sound (EAX).
@@SumoAustin w-oled is actually similar to qd-oled in how it works. It only uses white OLEDS. It uses a colour filter to create the RGB subpixels from the white OLED backlight. The white subpixel is a pass through.
Hmmm. Attractive design? They all look exactly the same from more than a couple of metres away. Size - well I'm European. Smart features? Erm, nearly all "smart" TV features are garbage compared to an add-on dongle. And what surely should be the most important attribute - longevity/reliability/build quality, doesn't even feature here. No wonder the market is being eaten by Chinese junk.
I agree. I’m planning on buying a flash ship 2024 or 2025 Samsung soundbar. If IMAF is worse then atmos or dts x, which I’m assuming it is, I’m hoping companies don’t just decide to go for the cheap route and use IMAF, which will suck.
In the chart even the HDR and Gaming was higher than OLED in "importance" when looking at the Mustard-Yellow (US) bar. OLED doesn't sell as well as some enthusiast think. Last year Samsung sold 3.6% of their entire sales as OLED.
I was planning to go OLED later this year, to repalce my 65" X950G. If the mini-LED's from Sony are well reviewed and the price is right I light forgo OLED as do a lot gaming, especially if I can get a 77" that isn't $4000 Canadian 🥺
I have a Sony OLED (A8H) from four years ago. I think it's around 1000nits, and it's been fantastic- best TV I've ever owned. I honestly think going much brighter would be too bright.
Thank you for all of this news and info, FOMO. I have a question for you about 3D (because yes, I am one of those people that hung on to my LG C6P for 3D!) If those streaming services are already going to provide 3D for the Apple over-priced headgear, do they have any plans to allow 3D streaming to other legacy 3D devices? (I mean, if the capability is already available, couldn't they allow devices like mine to stream 3D for little additional expense?)
Sony for the love of god come out with the x95L in 75” in 2024. That’s my end game TV. Minimal blooming, fantastic contrast and very bright. No risk of burn in. And the new XR clear chip. That’s all I need…
I wish that Samsung and Lg would cede OS development to Roku like Panasonic did with Fire. Although its fair to say just get an external Roku that you can replace when you need to. Even if you had a Roku TV you may well turn it into a "Dumb" monitor when you want to connect a future improved Roku external device to it...
I think it will be hard for me to say no to that Sony 4000-nit miniLED if it comes in 65" or 75". That's potentially HDR impact and color volume we haven't seen before. I'm not saying it will be better than OLED in a pure dark room but probably able to hang. No dimming or burn in issues. It's the return of the backlight master drive and this time with more zones...oh baby!
If Sony X95L 85inch is anything to go by for the quality of future Mini LED tech, i'll never have a second thought about any version of OLED again - Sony just need to not have worse performance in smaller sizes in the same flagship model(s) but with similar flagship prices still. You don't want to sell flagships for cheaper? (smaller sizes) then don't release those versions to begin with.
I think this not stuff is ridiculous. What do you want a piece of the sun in your media room. 14 foot Lambert's was what was the norm for a century. Now we all want to be blinded, unbelievable. John...
That isn't how it works. You need really high nits to get image like it is in real life. If you go outside on a bright summer day and took the brighness measurement of a flower in a feild the nits that flower would put off is higher then what TV's can even do today. So you want TV's to reach the tens of thousands of nits, remember that isn't full screen it's highlights and to show colors that you otherwise couldn't produce. Once they make a TV that produces images exactly like real life it'll probably hit like 50,000-100,000 nits or more and you'd need to carry a cloth with you when you first look at it so that you can wipe up the drool. lol
In fun fact by 2025 New 2 OLEDS technology's called plastic OLED AND Enhanced OLED TVs plastic OLED Has more affordable Enhanced OLED has more brighter
Can you please recommend both a mid-range and high for computer gaming monitor. I am also looking to update my work monitor and color accuracy and price are important.
There's a difference between what lg display/ Samsung display says vs what lg/samsung electronics actually put in their tvs, example : samsung display said 2nd qd oled can do 2000nits but we onlybgot tvs with 1400nits.
So all this talk about gaming features was mostly a waste of time?! Good to know because I was wondering if people only buy TVs for gaming nowadays and I lost track
For me, size and processing tied for first priority then value (different than price). I own several new OLED and mini LED tvs & no tv is perfect so OLED is not a priority. For me, if pricing is the same, I would buy a 98" mini LED that performs 90% of a 77" QD/MLA OLED.
yeah, but anyone watching this video knows more about TVs that 99% of the people - most of your audience cares about size and OLED mostly. And yet knowing so much they still buy Samsung and LG and watch in Filmmaker and Cinema mode...
The G3 has significantly reduced reflections due to use of new polarizer called Vanta Black. I hated the reflections on the G2 and decided to buy a G3 for use in a bright room. Honestly, it’s a huge improvement- the MLA tech definitely increased the brightness and the reflections are not even noticeable!
OLED is dead, too expensive and not affordable at 80+ inches. No point spending 3K+ for a 65-77 inch when you can get a 98 inch QLED which is nigh on as good
Your comment is niche tbh.the vast majority of people buy 65inch and under.Fomo and Brian push for big displays but go into any best buy and you see the vast majority of people buying smaller displays.people look at price and then size, but many don't even consider 75 inches and up for size considerations
@@jamesf8783 I’m “wrong”? It’s all highly subjective but from an objective perspective did you listen to the CES2024 reviews? Obviously not because you would have heard multiple reviewers saying the exact same thing. QLED is nigh on as good as OLED for contrast and blacks. I have a 65A95K, the reality is OLED is dead. Watch the videos and absorb the information being shared…
I always new OLED is not a true deciding factor, simply because movie theatres exists if people can accept that from projectors they be fine with a decent LCD panel
Fomo you could mislead people who are not knowledgeable there is no 3,000 or 3700 nits tv coming out this year or next year. The display panel can be capable of hitting it briefly but the actual tv manufactor wont go that bright because of burn in and shorting the life of the panel so this is all hype and no susbstance.
What I don't understand is why the consoles aren't used for AI processing which is what Nvidia did with the Shield Pro. A PS5 or XSX would upscale content massively.
@@techsamurai11 Simple answer is that they're not equipped with the specialized image processing chips to do that. Real-time processing is really hard without specialized hardware designed specifically to run that type of load. Running it on the PS5's general-purpose AMD GPU will never be close to as efficient.
@@pawala7 I thought the Nvidia Shield Pro relied on the Tegra x1 which is much less powerful. Does it have a special chip? They already do temporal upscaling and more for gaming with FSR and TSR.
Panasonic's GUI is decent. It isn't flashy, but it's stable, quick and clean. I have no major complaints. It could have more apps, yes. But the workflow has less noise. I accept it wasn't sustainable for a company like Panasonic to maintain their own OS. I'm sure Panasonic have fully vetted the Fire system properly, as they are always slow to adopt new features, but when they do, it works well.
Ai on my Yamaha receiver spreads out the sound and adds echo. Sometimes it's good but it does make things a bit artificial sounding. Would love to see what Ai video will do.
The brightness is not interested anymore how much the contrast how much does sharpness the detail pop up noise killing skin tone not belir pixel from two metal brightness can kill your TV and your picture it's no OLED tv 😵😎🙃💥🔥is only expensive
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Personally, I'm holding out for 40,000 nits! If the TV doesn't immediately burn the retinas right out of my eyes the second I turn it on...then I DON'T WANT IT!!!
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40,000 nits is satisfactory for watching shows such as the Golden Girls or Alf, but if you really want some true brightness wait for 100,000 nits.
100k nits will require dedicated commercial power line installed to your home, but worth every penny.
@@michael-4k4000 couldn't agree more!
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#1. People want *NO ADVERTISMENTS* on TVs (specially in the UI Home screen).
I think most people don’t care enough, which is why those cheap tvs sell.
@@n815e Unlike Smartphones, ads have crept into all range of TVs. For example in India, you can flind unnecessary apps and promotions in all lower - mid range phones from Samsung but the top end Galaxy S series does not have this issue.
Atleast in premium top end TVs, the UX should not be degraded due to big banner ads on the home screen.
@@SumoAustin It is not only about the enthusiast. Even in the top end premium TVs, you get ads degrading the UX. If people are willing to pay for ad free experience (example Apple TV 4K) then they should have the option. Amazon ruined its FireTV Cube (top end streaming device from Amazon) similarly.
Imagine buying a SONY, LG or SAMSUNG flagship TV and being greeted by ads on the home screen even after paying $2000.
QDEL deserves its own video.
If I talk to most of my friends, they have no clue what the difference between LED and OLED is, let alone how good OLED is. My guess is that the typical TV buyer doesn't know either.
My Great Grandmother knows the difference between an emissive display Vs non emissive.....
They don`t know… they don`t care!
I have a 77 inch A95L in a room with good blinds, not blackout but they do a good job. I often run my tv at or near minimum brightness. If it’s sunny I’m still under 50% brightness. I couldn’t imagine turning it to 100. At night with the lights of the lower brightness settings still have enough dynamic pop to make my eyes bleed. Why on earth would we ever want it brighter? Are TV manufacturers out of ideas and like what can we improve on now? Let’s make it brighter I guess??
I’m already squinting during explosions in movies and as a gamer I’m finding eye strain with extended use running in and out of dark game environments. The push to brighter is mind boggling.
I agree. I have an older C8 OLED in a light controlled room and have never felt it was lacking brightness. HDR can be overwhelmingly bright at times even in cinema mode. I'm convinced some people watch their TVs outside in direct sunlight.
I say we all just wait until 2030 and then see how much longer we can hold out because you know that all these TV influencers are going to be telling you the same story every year - its the biggest its the brightest it got the widest most accurate colour gamut! Buy the best TV for you at the best price you can get it and as long as it’s working well just enjoy it.
What we really need is getting back 120 BFI back! Unacceptable that consumers lost such good feature for motion/gaming.
I don't understand you BFI people lol...seems like such a useless feature
@@RockMathis Agreed. I love ultra bright LCDs and I mostly game on my TV, the biggest use case for BFI and even I find the zealots funny. Even if BFI is at 120hz its not increasing motion clarity to a level thats worth the brightness tradeoff, it makes HDR disappointing on my super bright FALD, on OLED is makes it borderline unusable in a lit room.
Hopefully brands will have more reason to make BFI better quickly once displays become much brighter + have ultra power efficient backlights, then APL can be increased to compensate the brightness loss.
It might be useless to those who never have experienced great motion in tvs like crt/plasma or modern tv's with good BFI implementation. To each their own... @eyenmathis4824
@@RockMathis It can help with motion, though even BFI can't get you to plasma like performance.
You probably didn't game on tube TVs did you?
It's quite interesting how what I care about completely differs from the mainstream. Smart TV is in the very last position... I'm using an Apple TV anyway. Power consumption plays a role, but as long as it's less than a plasma, I'm happy. OLED is very important, though I'd rather have QDEL or MicroLED. LED/Mini LED is a death sentence, unless it's a dual layer reference monitor. Brand doesn't matter. Preferably not Samsung, but I ended up with a Samsung regardless. Screen size isn't nearly as important as image quality. If you want a bigger image, move closer. Motion performance is important. Image optimization is switched off anyway, I don't want AI upscaling at all, I don't want artificial denoising, I don't want any form of image improvement, motion interpolation, ... I'd be very happy if they exactly emulate the way a plasma displays its image... color by color, "slowly" fading, pulsing longer for a brighter pixel, ...
Logged in just to like this. Well said.
@@SumoAustin Could be, but I want to see what is there, not what some AI, regardless of how good it is, thinks is there. I'm fine if it doesn't look as sharp. When I watch old VHS tapes, they ought to look like that. I'm quite happy with how the S95C/Apple TV does it. Didn't like how the Shield upscaled, don't like how Sony does it It's impressive, but it still looks artificial. It's a matter of taste and if you like it, great.
@@SumoAustin I will take integer scaling over A.I scaling 1000 times over, better yet, super-scaling, which actually multiplies the internal-resolution, A.I scaling has a heavy latency tax for both user input and video input, not to mention it's just another faux interpolation mode, pixel repetition, integer scaling, super-scaling are all incredible options.
Post-production A.I algorithm upscaling is another thing, that can be done in however long you need for it to take, for live video feeds however, it's horrible.
@@SumoAustin Of course it doesn't alter the FPS, it adds latency to video chain, and increases input latency, because by definition whether A.I. or traditional interpolation methods, it's still faux frames, that is non-user input passive frames added in to native frames, that's how the A.I. machine learning works, increasing internal rendering is actually increasing fidelity by a massive scale, just look at Dolphin running Gamecube games in 4K with actual increased internal resolution, or Nvidia DSR 4X 4K super-scaling, Dolphin can take 240p and render it natively in 8K, just do a quick google search of Dolphin emulator 8K vs native and look at the images tab.
@@SumoAustin I think you might want to do a little more research there bud, your all over the place, take a look at the RetroTink 4K and see what it can do with 240p, it can use integer scaling to render 240p video or video games in immaculate 4K, Sony's Reality Creation tech is just pixel mapping, nothing to do with AI, of course latency still applies to video, as well as motion clarity, why would it not, point is, AI is just another poor interpolation tech that for discerning individuals is unwanted and unappealing, no one actually like the soap opera effect.
I used to believe that there is no way i would ever go back to a non OLED tv, but mini led tv's have continued to close the gap when it comes to contrast, so much so that the difference isn't worth the issues associated with burn in. Unless MicroLED is fast tracked and made available to at least premium consumer's affordability, i think more and more people will see the mini led market as the best option for larger sizes and superior brightness.
Watch out, all the OLED Karens will be out to get you!
Yea I guess if someone erased your memory of oleds existing 😂 mini led would of been great 10 years ago
3700 nits. meanwhile, full screen brightness and larger windows are still far dimmer than miniled.
Doesn’t matter real hdr is in the highlights not full screen that’s why oled hdr looks the best
And mini led far dimmer than micro led.
That's life. Choices. Contrast, or brightness? For me, in a dark room, contrast. For shure.
350 nits full screen would be old-school LCD brightness levels and brighter than consumer level CRTs ever got in full screen.
If they can manage 350 then the companies could drive it in a unique way more similar to a plasma or one of the VR displays to really cut down on sample and hold motion blur.
Imaginé a native 960 Hz scan out but at 120 frames per second
Momma says MiniLED fanboys are so ornery because they got all that brightness and no contrast
Seriously though, I’ll take PERFECT blacks and infinite contrast over brightness. Brightness is only one factor and is the only thing MiniLED is good at. OLED is simply superior in every other way, don’t even get me started on response times for gaming. Until MicroLED becomes available for a reasonable price, LED users will just have to accept they’re using an inferior product to OLED.
@@copperypuddle3858why don't the drive these mini leds with millions of dimming zones..
Put an led behind every pixle...
Let it run the full image
I can’t remember the last time I used the tv’s apps. Apple TV all the way
Got that right. I only care about bigger and cheaper OLEDs now. 100in please
Most people (non enthusiasts) just want a large screen at a low price and basically think all TVs are created equal. They really have no idea about TV tech or what contributes to good picture quality, and I'd say most don't care. They think a 4K TV will make everything look great and don't even watch 4K content on it. I've had friends comment on how good my 6 year old OLED looks and have had to explain to them about emissive vs. LED backlit, contrast ratio, HDR, etc.
The information is easily available online but most just don't really care.
I hope S90D has improved scaling and lowbitrate performance then last year. I am huge fan of AI Upscaling
They haven’t
How do you know? It's not even out yet. @@NexGenTek
Who the heck did that survey? I don't care about "smart" features. You can add that with an external device. I want a large 8k bright screen with great upscaling and processing features. Lastly energy efficiency.
Yeah, I find it quite disturbing, that 8k isn't even on the list
Guess I'm keeping my CX for another year. I've got burn-in already so just waiting to cash in that warranty. I was going to choose the S95D, but like I said on your livestream..the matte is an anti-enthusiast move. I may be able to live with that if the TV could actually hit 4k144hz in 10bit rgb, but to launch it with the same oneconnect is borderline criminal in my opinion
I have a CX too and honestly, its probably the best TV that LG has ever released along with the G3.
How many hours on your CX?
TCL wide-angle is a HUGE step forward because their TVs SUCK right now.
As someone who sells TVs i definitely feel like Quality of Smart TV Function, Size, & 4k are just about all the average consumer knows. Hell I might go as far to say the majority doesn't know there's quality difference at all they think they are buying a size and a brand. 4k & smart are the 2 other most common bits of previous information people come in with. Everyone has a question about the smart but honestly most the time I'd say 50% of people who bring up 4k don't know what it means.
Never been asked about energy efficiency though lol I think that's something where when people saw it on the survey they are like OH YEA I WANT IT TO BE EFFICIENT but in reality in the store no ones thinking efficiency.
Quantum Dots don't care about how much energy you out through them, they just get as bright as you need and given that we're talking about direct output from QD to produce the light it should be as pure as possible.
This should also be easily implemented in manufacturing, because existing LCD factories can be used to make them.
Sharp has already said that if they get interest they will license the tech to other companies to make this display tech for next gen TVs.
It should be entirely possible for brighter than the Hisense 10K nit TV, with infinite contrast and much lower power consumption.
Cost will be far lower than MicroLED too.
QDEL is the Holy Grail of 2D picture technology!
I have a hard time with this sort of survey. There are a ton of consumers who either have absolutely no idea what OLED is, believe that OLED and QLED are interchangeable, or believe that OLEDs are just super expensive.
I would easily choose a QDEL over OLED and even MiniLED if for example it could do 500+ nits at 100% window and 1500 nits at smaller windows for HDR highlights. Because with the bigger full screen brightness it will be more consistent. No ASBL and minimal ABL would also make it a winner. Full color gamut and no risk for burn in at all. Yep, that and big enough sizes and it will be the superior choise.
That talk of 3700 nits is just for a split second and at 10K Kelvin. So you can tamper that down a lot when using D65 and any sustained HDR specular highlight is one that will dip instantly to much lower "sustainable" nits.
Also the "MiniLED will never be like OLED". Sure maybe not in the dark. But it is already looking as good with light in the room 98% of the time. Because the infinite black doesn't matter when you have biological limitations of our eyes. The Veil effect. A deep dark grey is going to look black when next to a "lit up" object. So as MiniLED advances with more zones and fine tuned control.
It will be harder to tell the difference.
There will be ever smaller advantages of the OLED. People also forget OLED has problems with near black and hence "shadow detail" compared to MiniLEDs that do it right. Most black crush. But not Sony.
Vast majority of people watch content with some light on.
What the hell is a multi-stack OLED panel going to cost though?! The problem is already the cost of, especially in 65"+ sizes, my customers often choose MiniLED almost purely because of the price, they want 75", 85 and even 100" TVs, £4500-6000 is way beyond the average consumer's budget and 97" OLEDs are still WAG tellys.
If FALD LCD backlights can be improved (or the next thing comes to surpass them before MicroLED is mature) to give dark scenes that look the same as OLEDs outside of highlights that take up a few pixels then OLED will be in trouble. My country is football mad, they want bright and vibrant football, which is one area where OLED is resolutely beaten by bright LCD, so thats a major factor too.
Oled will become expensive Michelin to rich people… maybe… or low quality low cost middle range versions… maybe…
What the idiots in that survey fail to understand is some of our favorite old 1080p content looks 4K/UHD on an OLED.
In 2018 you suggested that Plasmonic OLED would eliminate burn-in. Can you give us an update on where Plasmonic development and adoption stand?
Love this guy - he saves me cash as I stick with my current 60” Kuro; he makes me want to wait until next year before I pull the trigger 💰
Bare in mind OLED can not reproduce the incredible incandescence of late generation Plasma displays, even less so than the last generation of Kuro, nor can it match the 0.1ms motion response or the 1200 TVL (or so) of motion resolution that they have, they are also a very long way from the incredible greyscale and shadow resolution/detail Kuro's have, and using 4K super-scaling on the FHD RGB-Plasma Kuro's produces higher perceived resolution/fidelity than the "4K" pentile-OLED displays.
What will finally surpass them though, is multi-stack Tandem-RGB-OLED with 8K or 16K 10,000 nit HDR.
@@Wobble2007 so wait until which year? 😅😳
Does the new sharp technology have the potential to surpass my Kuro? Btw I love my Kuro, it looks amazing even with a low quality streaming - just brilliant. I was hoping to increase the size but replicate the same; appears I have to wait; and yes @FOMO I am European and have a big space (plus a dedicated cinema room with Sony 4K laser projector) but sometimes I want to just sit and not watch a movie but a good series such as Silo or something on my TV in high quality or a game of soccer ⚽️
@@Wobble2007 many thanks for the information 👍🏻👏🏻😃
@@cestmoi7829 2025 is when things get interesting, look for the TCL and Samsung 8K RGB-OLED displays, dual-stack might not be until 2026, by which time 480Hz 8K should be available, as well as good HDR-BFI options, and possibly even RBFI options, so I'd say 2026 for the 8K 480Hz RBFI Tandem-RGB-OLED, and if you want the incandescence of pure phosphors like Plasma, 2027 should add PHOLED to that spec, we may even see 480Hz 12K RBFI Tandem-PHOLED.
Of course elQD will have even great incandescence than even phosphors have, and if the decide to update elQD from RGB to 6P colour, it will be pretty incredible and actually really will be like looking through a window, but that's not until 2030-2035, so 2026/2027 will be the first time Kuro and NEO Plasma owners can upgrade to new displays (rather than downgrade).
Fun fact: OLED is very good for gaming!
Bought a S89C, and is coming this weekend. My first OLED! I have a nice X900E Sony, but I got the FOMO, so I bought a new TV.
I just want better motion interpolation in movies, games and streaming plus more r&d on new technologies for bfi and motion game plus
I agree, really hoping lg especially improved their motion in 2025. 2024 seems like it’s more about processing, would be cool if they focus on motion and improving/fixing other problems in their 2025 tv.
We are sold on LG. My 2020 CX suits my living room with its large windows. So, if the situation occurs later this year, an LG C4 will suffice. No FOMO here!
Image quality and screen size should trump everything else. But modern consumers that spend half of their time staring at the screen of their phone don't seem to care about image quality anymore.
Although, if you've never actually watched anything on an OLED, plasma or CRT and the only thing you've known is backlight bleeding, grays for blacks and blooming LCDs, you likely won't know what you're missing. There won't be a true OLED replacement until microLED TVs come in a realistic size and price.
Also, IAMF won't be true spacial audio like Atmos, DTS:X and Auro-3D. Upmixing is upmixing. But if you're already using a sound bar for "Atmos", it's not like you're really getting a real Atmos experience anyway.
Nice to see someone knows what he's talking about, how far we have fallen from perfect motion, incredible dot-pitch fill-rates, and fine details, with jaw dropping true hardware accelerated multi-positional sound (EAX).
I'm tempted to replace my 4k projector with a 85" mini LED TV, but because I have no FOMO, I'm not in a hurry
*Does 4-stack oled mean 4 layers of oled? How many layers are the 2024 panels using?*
@@SumoAustin w-oled is actually similar to qd-oled in how it works. It only uses white OLEDS. It uses a colour filter to create the RGB subpixels from the white OLED backlight. The white subpixel is a pass through.
That graph shows how many people are actually uneducated when it comes to Televisions
It’s always has been size is more important than function. 😅😮🎉
Hmmm. Attractive design? They all look exactly the same from more than a couple of metres away. Size - well I'm European. Smart features? Erm, nearly all "smart" TV features are garbage compared to an add-on dongle.
And what surely should be the most important attribute - longevity/reliability/build quality, doesn't even feature here.
No wonder the market is being eaten by Chinese junk.
As someone who has a full sonos atmos home theater system, i really hope this IMAF thing doesn't cause problems.
I agree. I’m planning on buying a flash ship 2024 or 2025 Samsung soundbar. If IMAF is worse then atmos or dts x, which I’m assuming it is, I’m hoping companies don’t just decide to go for the cheap route and use IMAF, which will suck.
Quality sound systems will offer every format.
In the chart even the HDR and Gaming was higher than OLED in "importance" when looking at the Mustard-Yellow (US) bar. OLED doesn't sell as well as some enthusiast think.
Last year Samsung sold 3.6% of their entire sales as OLED.
IMO average buyer does not know what OLED is & what its advantages are.
I care if it comes with picture quality and it needs to be a sony qd oled
people still scared of oled they missing out
I was planning to go OLED later this year, to repalce my 65" X950G.
If the mini-LED's from Sony are well reviewed and the price is right I light forgo OLED as do a lot gaming, especially if I can get a 77" that isn't $4000 Canadian 🥺
I have a Sony OLED (A8H) from four years ago. I think it's around 1000nits, and it's been fantastic- best TV I've ever owned. I honestly think going much brighter would be too bright.
Just 50 years later and you can have microLED!!! If you're still alive by that time...
Thank you for all of this news and info, FOMO. I have a question for you about 3D (because yes, I am one of those people that hung on to my LG C6P for 3D!) If those streaming services are already going to provide 3D for the Apple over-priced headgear, do they have any plans to allow 3D streaming to other legacy 3D devices? (I mean, if the capability is already available, couldn't they allow devices like mine to stream 3D for little additional expense?)
Sony for the love of god come out with the x95L in 75” in 2024. That’s my end game TV. Minimal blooming, fantastic contrast and very bright. No risk of burn in. And the new XR clear chip. That’s all I need…
How are the response times? Motion clarity? Unless they compete with OLED I'm not interested, and many others wont be either.
Would there be and option one day of buying a non-smart tv panel and never worried about firmware updates neutering your TV?
AT LEAST 4000 nits, ideally 10000 nits for 2025.
Friends don’t let friends buy into 3D technology 😂
It's not the size that matters, its what you do with it
I wish that Samsung and Lg would cede OS development to Roku like Panasonic did with Fire. Although its fair to say just get an external Roku that you can replace when you need to. Even if you had a Roku TV you may well turn it into a "Dumb" monitor when you want to connect a future improved Roku external device to it...
will the lg c5 get mla tech next year? or will samsung qd oled get a 42" variant in your opinion? good video❤
Knowing brighter OLED is coming, will you put off buying a new OLED TV until 2025 or just get a larger LCD TV this year?
Waiting for brighter QD-OLED with perfect uniformity like my S95B.
I think I'm good for 2-3 years with my 77im S90C. Gonna watch those 100in prices drop
I think it will be hard for me to say no to that Sony 4000-nit miniLED if it comes in 65" or 75". That's potentially HDR impact and color volume we haven't seen before. I'm not saying it will be better than OLED in a pure dark room but probably able to hang. No dimming or burn in issues. It's the return of the backlight master drive and this time with more zones...oh baby!
If Sony X95L 85inch is anything to go by for the quality of future Mini LED tech, i'll never have a second thought about any version of OLED again - Sony just need to not have worse performance in smaller sizes in the same flagship model(s) but with similar flagship prices still. You don't want to sell flagships for cheaper? (smaller sizes) then don't release those versions to begin with.
Pholed or nothing 😉
Quantum dot is king that’s why Oled’s need QD now
I think this not stuff is ridiculous. What do you want a piece of the sun in your media room. 14 foot Lambert's was what was the norm for a century. Now we all want to be blinded, unbelievable. John...
That isn't how it works. You need really high nits to get image like it is in real life. If you go outside on a bright summer day and took the brighness measurement of a flower in a feild the nits that flower would put off is higher then what TV's can even do today. So you want TV's to reach the tens of thousands of nits, remember that isn't full screen it's highlights and to show colors that you otherwise couldn't produce. Once they make a TV that produces images exactly like real life it'll probably hit like 50,000-100,000 nits or more and you'd need to carry a cloth with you when you first look at it so that you can wipe up the drool. lol
AI audio would be helpful BUT is it going to mean yet another soundbar or compatible receiver? If so, YUK!
We need motion advancements like never seen b4 it's about time
Been waiting since 2004 when the Sony FW900 came out.
@@Wobble2007 I seriously don't know what the hold is
motion will truely never be on a level as plasma and crt. We have sample and hold displays now and we need to fake good motion with processing.
Can't it just be reinvented to not tell the difference between the lastest panel and against a CRT and plasma?@@dante19890
In fun fact by 2025 New 2 OLEDS technology's called plastic OLED AND Enhanced OLED TVs
plastic OLED Has more affordable
Enhanced OLED has more brighter
Can you please recommend both a mid-range and high for computer gaming monitor. I am also looking to update my work monitor and color accuracy and price are important.
funny for me ...top 3 ...tied is size and hdr quality, then gaming
Hopefully you have news soon on 98" TV's 😊
There's a difference between what lg display/ Samsung display says vs what lg/samsung electronics actually put in their tvs, example : samsung display said 2nd qd oled can do 2000nits but we onlybgot tvs with 1400nits.
and s95d can only hit 1600 nits despite 3000 nits claim by samsung display.
They make a new TV every year
So all this talk about gaming features was mostly a waste of time?! Good to know because I was wondering if people only buy TVs for gaming nowadays and I lost track
Where’s Japan displays eleap oled product?
Eleap is for smaller RGB OLED like smartphones and tablets
Hope your tongue is feeling better fomo.
For me, size and processing tied for first priority then value (different than price). I own several new OLED and mini LED tvs & no tv is perfect so OLED is not a priority. For me, if pricing is the same, I would buy a 98" mini LED that performs 90% of a 77" QD/MLA OLED.
Yes AI improvements.
yeah, but anyone watching this video knows more about TVs that 99% of the people - most of your audience cares about size and OLED mostly.
And yet knowing so much they still buy Samsung and LG and watch in Filmmaker and Cinema mode...
Say "IAMF" five times in a row 😂
This could be it boys, the Gamechanger we all been waiting for!
Nits wars have started 😜😁😁
New technology has to move on ! In 10 years we will laugh 😆 about tvs today 🤣
I guarantee no one cares about energy efficiency when it comes to TVs.
I want 8k with 4,000nit HDR and better depth perception for a semi-3d effect lol
Why?
8k is uselsss
still prob 200 nits worse case lol, smoke and mirrors oled
Did LG include all the Glare light being reflected off thier super shinny nauseous, inducing screens when calculating those nits?
The G3 has significantly reduced reflections due to use of new polarizer called Vanta Black. I hated the reflections on the G2 and decided to buy a G3 for use in a bright room. Honestly, it’s a huge improvement- the MLA tech definitely increased the brightness and the reflections are not even noticeable!
European people also like big sizes , man 😜😂😂😂
Can ai bump up frame rate
Hfr like Gemini man
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Pholed or nothing 😉
OLED is dead, too expensive and not affordable at 80+ inches. No point spending 3K+ for a 65-77 inch when you can get a 98 inch QLED which is nigh on as good
Qled is not nearly as good as OLED so you're wrong, its not dead not even close.
Your comment is niche tbh.the vast majority of people buy 65inch and under.Fomo and Brian push for big displays but go into any best buy and you see the vast majority of people buying smaller displays.people look at price and then size, but many don't even consider 75 inches and up for size considerations
@@jamesf8783 I’m “wrong”? It’s all highly subjective but from an objective perspective did you listen to the CES2024 reviews? Obviously not because you would have heard multiple reviewers saying the exact same thing. QLED is nigh on as good as OLED for contrast and blacks.
I have a 65A95K, the reality is OLED is dead. Watch the videos and absorb the information being shared…
3700 bits of full white brightness nobody cares…. washed out colors with no pop and a lame game mode. Same story different title.
It’s oled nothing is washed out
@@NexGenTek it’s white oled
@@JBlakeS23 it’ll be the same for QD just liked it is every year
@@NexGenTek which is better than WOLED
What do u know, which technology have u developed before, always thinking that you are always right but you are not. Please keep quite
I always new OLED is not a true deciding factor, simply because movie theatres exists if people can accept that from projectors they be fine with a decent LCD panel
We need 97” OLED less than $5,000! Blue Phosphore is also critical for better TVs!
Also Apple TV is the best interface to use a TV!
yea that’s true 2020 web os was good but these tv companies suck at making good ui even roku is better
no surprise USA is a size queen
Fomo you could mislead people who are not knowledgeable there is no 3,000 or 3700 nits tv coming out this year or next year. The display panel can be capable of hitting it briefly but the actual tv manufactor wont go that bright because of burn in and shorting the life of the panel so this is all hype and no susbstance.
What I was thinking as well.
This stacking tech has shown a 4 fold heat and energy efficient gain at the same brightness.sorry,but you need to do more research
yes, they cant really push them that far even if they are capable of it
I'm fine with my s90c brighteness. Next upgrade is when 90+ qd oled or equivalent are below 5k
I love these FOMO shows. Always so newsy, interesting and fun!
Definitely looking forward to the AI processing in the tvs. Hoping the lg this year can compete with Sony so I can save some money lol
What I don't understand is why the consoles aren't used for AI processing which is what Nvidia did with the Shield Pro. A PS5 or XSX would upscale content massively.
@@techsamurai11 Simple answer is that they're not equipped with the specialized image processing chips to do that. Real-time processing is really hard without specialized hardware designed specifically to run that type of load. Running it on the PS5's general-purpose AMD GPU will never be close to as efficient.
@@pawala7 I thought the Nvidia Shield Pro relied on the Tegra x1 which is much less powerful. Does it have a special chip? They already do temporal upscaling and more for gaming with FSR and TSR.
So now what should I wait until 2025? I was thinking about getting the LG G4 this year. 😊😊
Panasonic's GUI is decent. It isn't flashy, but it's stable, quick and clean. I have no major complaints. It could have more apps, yes. But the workflow has less noise. I accept it wasn't sustainable for a company like Panasonic to maintain their own OS. I'm sure Panasonic have fully vetted the Fire system properly, as they are always slow to adopt new features, but when they do, it works well.
They need to work on better 100% full screen brightness, just OC and give it some heavy cooling...
Watercooled back 😎🔥
OLED is still expensive and it’s still organic! Micro LED technology can’t get here fast enough and a mortal price.
Ai on my Yamaha receiver spreads out the sound and adds echo. Sometimes it's good but it does make things a bit artificial sounding. Would love to see what Ai video will do.
I'm only interested in post OLED technologies at this point, QDEL, QNED etc
3d on your face is far more effective BUT the 3d looks stupid as it was overemphasized for the flat screen 😢😂
The brightness is not interested anymore how much the contrast how much does sharpness the detail pop up noise killing skin tone not belir pixel from two metal brightness can kill your TV and your picture it's no OLED tv 😵😎🙃💥🔥is only expensive
if we are talking oled with HDR than increased brightness IS INCREASED CONTRAST.
Thanks for the video ♥️ ........
Which one is better especially in lifespan... (TCL 43 s5400a) or (Samsung t5300) or (skyworth 43 Google tv)........ please reply 🙏🙏🥰🥰
answered your comment on yesterday's video!
@@stopthefomo thank you ♥️♥️♥️❤️❤️🙏🙏🙏
My G2 has been great and making it brighter has no appeal to me. Meanwhile my QDOLED is the truth. LG needs to adopt QDOLED
SOMETIMES IT PAYS TO WAIT 😮😊