DON'T Upgrade Your GPU, Upgrade Your Monitor Instead!
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Video Index
00:00 - Welcome to Hardware Unboxed
01:30 - A Lot of Monitors Are Outdated
03:12 - High Refresh Rates Significantly Improve Gaming
05:10 - New Monitors Provide Benefits Without a Faster GPU
07:36 - HDR is a Game Changer
09:25 - Why Buying a Monitor Makes Sense: Typical Upgrade Paths
15:29 - Awesome Gaming Monitors are Cheaper Than You Think
17:42 - Outro
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DON'T Upgrade Your GPU, Upgrade Your Monitor Instead!
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Instructions unclear, I'm now running a 4k 240Hz OLED with a 1050.
Should look glorious. Even if you turn it down to 1080p.
I mean... Pretty good movie experience. Or you could refresh your memory of the classics like Bioshock, Portal, Mass Effect. Should run just fine.
Don't get swayed by the hype of ever newer, ever more demanding games.
even at 4k 60hz, the experience will still be awesome.
Imagine your 1050 is running flat out , or at least hard enough to turn the fans on rendering Windows at 4k 240hz 😂
Saaaame, i’m running a 4k 240Hz with RX 5700 XT. However, i don’t game much. Desktop and movie experience, though, are incredible.
HU : "Don't upgrade your GPU, upgrade your monitor instead"
Me suffering with 1050ti : "Thanks for the tips tim ❤"
I don't even have a pc🗿
Same, but RX570 xD
I'll keep my 15 years old 24" FHD screen for a while, thank you very much.
"ti"!? show off
i recently upgrade from GTX 1070 which i sold for 1/4 of new rpice from 8 years ago and i swap from old 12 Years old iiyama to used RX 6800XT and cheap gaming monitor from iiyama FHD 100HZ freesync which cost 110 euro best purchase so far! and change from 60hz to 100hz was MASSIVE.
That's Tim.
This is the angriest I've ever seen Tim.
lol
The only times I've seen Tim actually angry are for that godawful Razer 165Hz monitor that was also super expensive, and that Asus laptop that was overheating due to bad vent placement
The emus still won the australia-emu war.
@@BlackJesus8463Hey, wasn't your name "Proprietary Curiez" or something similar before?
Why did you change your name?
full power tim
Moving from 60hz to 144hz is a revelation even on the desktop. Daily computing tasks feel so much more responsive and natural.
Ok but you have to lock games to 60fps anyway.
@@aweigh1010if your computer can handle games at like even 1080p 144 fps why would you lock to 60 fps😂?
@@aweigh1010 I wonder why you think this. There is a slight trick to lock the fps 3 hz below your screen however?
I agree, Think 2019 was when I went 1440P 32 165hz.
Do you not know about VRR? Free sync? Because boy do I have good news for you if not
One important thing to note is how many of those 1080p gamers are on a laptop? That would explain a lot about the statistics.
very good point !
And or cs2 bot accounts
the video is basically promotion for the other channel. I would ignore the information presented
@@yordan9669while this is in part true, the thing is that most people had never seen a mini led, Oled or micro LED in person, also a lot of people had never seen 1440p neither say 4k, so while the intention of the video is likely promotion of the other channel, the things said here are true... My friends get crazy with my Mini Led TV and my OLED monitor, more than with the Fps of my PC... (Even when I have a high end PC)
Also Cybercafe stations, unless Steam has started weeding those out.
The ultimate monitor sales pitch.
truthful benefits are always the best sales pitch
@@BenState sell me this pen
The best sales pitch are the ones with no lies in them. Nice.
If it's giving you the good experience rather than buying expensive gpu and still not getting the visuals and fps benefits to your liking so why not.
@@centuryt3043Basically the video is explaining to gamers than the "extremely high quality, refillable and refined fountain ink pen" writes so much better than the cheap ahh Bic pen
I feel like the HDR section needs a bit more emphasis on "real" HDR hardware, as opposed to the shit-tier edge-lit "HDR" that nearly every monitor seems to advertise these days, but literally looks worse than just turning it off.
I bought an LG tv with that fake HDR and it looked AWFUL. Worst $800 I've ever spent.
if you have an AMD gpu you don't need HDR. the Adrenalin software of AMD has video presets that change colors, etc, and Vivid preset does what HDR does: higher color gamut, darker shadows, brighter highlights, etc. the video presets work on firefox browser. and you can further tweak colors, etc from the Adrenalin software and make it even better.
for video games you can use reshade to make the game look like HDR using different injectors like clarity, colorfulness, etc. you only need 4-6 injectors: clarity(this removes the blur and make everything look much better), lightroom(similar to Photoshop photo editing program), colorfulness(to make the colors pop more), adaptive sharpen, and the other 2 are Fake HDR(if you combine it with other injectors it's like true HDR) and RTGI which is the lighting part of ray tracing. RTGI = ray tracing global illumination. this injector don't have the reflection part of RT. only the illumination. but there is an FPS performance drop. and you can add more injectors like DPX, Curves(another injector that darkens the shadows and brights the highlights), Bloom, DOF, etc. reshade is very underrated.
@@SapiaNt0mata I think you probably haven't seen proper HDR. It's not something that can be done with software.
Your second point about the various software effects that are available being underrated might be true, but I have to disagree with your initial premise.
@@SapiaNt0mata What?
HDR is not another "effect". HDR is about REAL physical brights, blacks, and colors. Not just "brighter" and washed out lights but really brighter lights. Not just "darker" shadows but shadows in which you can actually see something. And not that oversaturated "gamut" but real vivid color gamut. NO software effects can exceed the physical limitations of your old monitor.
@@CrazyPCman "NO software effects can exceed the physical limitations of your old monitor." wrong. i see it in front of my eyes. with lighroom injector you can make the shadows darker without crushing them and make lights brighter(it has shadows, blacks, highlights, midtones, levels so you can tweak the shadows and lighting in depth). then there's curves which darkens the shadows and bright the highlights and there are sliders to tweak the intensity as to not crush the blacks and shadows and tone down the highlights. fake HDR has sliders for the range of light for light sources.
same goes for colors. also, you can use LUT presets and have various color palettes.
btw, you think that a a $280 monitor has real HDR? nope. these cheap monitors have bad HDR. generally speaking, if you think that a $280 monitor is displaying real HDR you are delusional. since you're not getting the real HDR it's better to use cheaper alternative method like reshade. in order to get a real HDR you have to buy an expensive monitor. preferably an OLED or QD-OLED.
I can't understand why people don't realise this simple concept; it's the same as buying expensive DAC's transports and power amps, but keeping the same tiny bookshelf speakers that you got second-hand in exchange for a pair of platforms in the 1970's.
cause people lack knowledge. it's so simple.
Buy a monitor that'll last you the next decade, then upgrade GPU a couple times throughout at most.
I did that bought 2 1440p monitors last year one at 165Hz and the second at 75Hz after saving up post upgrading from a 5500xt to the 3060 in 2022. Now I'm upgrading my GPU to a 7900xt after updating my build from a 5600x to 7800x3d build.
That’s what I’ve done twice now- pretty much I upgrade when new tech comes out that’s a “game changer.” Eg IPS to OLED.
Not how that works
It's not a good time to buy a monitor for the long term. Right now you have to pick your poison between OLED's poor brightness in high APL scenes or Mini-LED's blooming and dim small highlights. I'd wait until OLED monitors can at least reach fullscreen brightness levels of typical LCD screens (~300-400 nits). Even the best OLED monitors right now can only do ~250 nits fullscreen.
If you want to have a decade future proof monitor then why not wait until dp2.1 monitors flood the market 🤔?
I figured this little fact out after I built my first gaming computer. Like many folks, I put all my money into the computer and used a 1080p 60hz TV as my monitor(I know, I know). I thought it would suffice until I could pick up a cheap monitor, which unfortunately was a cheapo 1080p 60hz as well. I honestly had no idea I was killing my experience because no one ever told me what Tim's saying here, the monitor is so important. When I got a "real" gaming monitor, one with 1440p at 165hz, my gaming experience really went full tilt. I thought it was my computer that needed upgrading, it was just the monitor! I wish I knew this from the out and I tell anyone new to this to make at least a high refresh rate monitor a must have item when setting up their gaming rig, it's necessary for best performance. Thank you Tim for highlighting this fact, it's so important!
man!! especially if your specific use case allows high refresh rates. I never knew I would love roblox at 144hz, i feel like the playground bully sometimes lol.
True. Gaming hardware hierarchy is gpu, monitor, cpu. mouse, ram. mobo, psu, case, cooling. keyboard.
It's not something you expect people to not know which is why you rarely see it. It's like buying a fast sports car and limiting it to 20% of its horsepower and being like "I never knew if I unlocked the other 80% then I'd get a much better experience". Getting a fast pc but being stuck on 60hz is like you never bought a fast PC.
@@RestTarRr It's a budget thing mainly, the monitor is always going to be last on the list instead of first. And no, not everyone is going to know this out of the gate, name me any computer build video that talks about the monitor as part of the build or even adds one to the total price, not many do, and that's the truth. It always ends up separately if at all. Tim did good here, and I commend him for it.
@@dragon2knight The monitor kind of gets lumped in with the keyboard and mouse scenario, where you can spend more on the PC because you've got them already kind of thing. I can relate.
My laptop is starting to have issues (3 vertical lines, repeating 3 key and overheating) so I'm picking parts for a new PC and I'm finding the monitor the hardest to choose!
Ha! Joke's on you. I upgraded my GPU, CPU *and* my monitor last year... though that did require me to downgrade my bank account...
You lost me at "only $800".
Am I the only one hit by the recession?
Makes two of us at least.
in 2017 my whole platform upgrade was 650€ (mobo-cpu-ram)
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His advice is sound, give a argument for why it is not?
@@TheReferrer72 it's a joke mate
Jokes are self evident It doesn't read as a joke more like sarcasm mate! A complete fail and apologising for your delivery doesn't help. Context has to be in the TEXT, not your mind because you didn't give readers permission to read your mind.
@@air-iq How is this a joke? It's more like sarcasm.
perfect timing but I have started to avoid consumerism
Based.
This is the way.
Damn you already built your own smartphone/PC? Impressive.
So it's not perfect timing anymore? Since you already started avoiding consumerism
.. how to do that if you still want to play video games?
Bold of you assume I don’t play on a 4K TV. I refuse to pay monitor prices.
They're mainly cheap because they put so many ads in them lol. And I'm pretty sure the latency is typically atrocious on the cheaper ones for TVs (not as important for playing games you would be playing on a TV anyway lmao)
4K60Hz which is still not high refresh rate
Tim argues that people should be upgrading to away from 1080p monitors because upscaling techniques work better at higher resolutions. He seems to be forgetting that people who use upscaling at 1080p might have certain budgetary constraints and GPUs that, upscaling or not, struggle to perform at FullHD, let alone a resolution with nearly double the pixel count.
The video is targeted at people with $800 they’d spend on a GPU.
But it’s also completely elitest trash, plenty of good gaming happens at 1080/60
@@FuncleChuck I can't stand 60Hz on mouse and keyboard it's just awful... But you can have a nice display for 200bucks new or even better one second hand.
@@FuncleChucktry watching the video again but listening this time 😂
@@FuncleChuck A good 1440p 165hz monitor costs 200$ (Dell G2724D). Upgrading monitor is the most noticeable thing you can do also upscaled 1440p looks better than native 1080p
Upgraded to a 1440/144hz VA monitor back in 2018 from a 1080p/24inch/60fps panel, and finally in 2022 to a 34inch 21:9 HDR OLED monitor. Best upgrade of my life.
now upgrade your gtx1650
i'm thinking about a massive jump from 1080p 60hz to 4k 240hz
@@manhdepzai2k3try 1440p first. Its a huge upgrade and the hardware to run 4k at above 120hz can be pricey.
not everyone is that rich tho
the al;ienware dwf right?
For me the monitor prices are screwed up too. The AOC Q27G33XMN cost here in Sweden 405 dollars.....😪 It makes it so much harder to justify it..
Including VAT.
same speculation as with gpus. 4k was supposed to be the standard by 2020. Greediness prevailed
2nd hand shop from overseas.. usually most dealers are willing to ship overseas and you could also score yourself a bargain
Well low end gpus cost even more in comparison, so that monitor definitely is better buy in Sweden.
AOC seems more pricey in EU. Noticed the same checking out AOC in Germany, which made me pick another brand.
Don't upgrade your GPU because your GTX 1050Ti can surely work well with a 1440p 144hz monitor 🤦
Watch a movie on it and tell me how it looks.
@@fredrik4527 I don't think people that are looking for GPU upgrade from 1050TI are watching movies on their PCs. People got TVs for that you know
Where I live, I'd have to sell my liver in order to afford a new monitor so this doesn't apply...
I was given some advice years ago. Build a PC around your monitor resolution and refresh rate target. 1080P 60hz Monitor requires a lot cheaper GPU/system build than a 1440P 165hz Monitor.
Underrated advice tbh
Best advice someone could give, does depend on what games you'll play and settings but still
Same and the gpu I paired with the 1080p monitor is the rx580. Then WFH happened and I upgraded to 1440p 144hz and gave the 1080p monitor to my kid. The plan to upgrade the gpu with my criteria of double performance at 200-300 usd might never happen. Might go with an OLED steamdeck instead for portability and the rx580 can still be decent at 720p for streaming.😊
I've been on a 4k60 monitor since 2015 so my pc always turned out quite expensive. I was lucky to get a 1080 ti for 650 and my sapphire 7800 xt for 540 ar launch so it's not like I've been buying 90 class cards but at 1440p I'd only need a 7600 xt or similar
Id say a higher end monitor with a lower end pc will provide a better gaming experience than the other way round. (Assuming the PC isnt ridiculously underpowered)
I'm not upgrading my 1080p 60Hz monitor any time soon, only if it breaks. Why? Because I don't know what is to game at 1440p at high refresh rate, and I'm happy with it. I suspect once I've seen what, then I'll have to spend on a new monitor and a new GPU to get the most of it. So I prefer to live in ignorance and be happy gaming at 1080p at 60Hz 😂😂 (I don't do multiplayer)
higher resolution(1440p and 4K) means that the image is sharper and less blurry due to more pixels. higher refresh rate is more frames so the image quality is smoother.
once you play a game at 1440p + high refresh rate you will never want to go back to 1080p/60 fps. it's the same as going from 1080p/30 fps to 1080p/60 fps. can you go back to 30 fps? i highly doubt it. if you can afford to at least upgrade to 1440p/144-165hz then go for it. you won't regret it.
@@SapiaNt0mata That's exactly what I've said: "once you play a game at 1440p + high refresh rate you will never want to go back to 1080p/60", because I know that, I don't want to try it properly 😂😂. Right now I have a 1660Ti, and I can ply RDR2 or similar just fine at 1080p60. When I try to play a game that doesn't allow me to do that (lately I don't game that much), then I'll think about upgrading.
Then people buy that higher resolution screen and find out they need a much better gpu to run it properly.. it all depends on your personal setup. Only grab a monitor with a higher resolution if your gpu can handle pushing more pixels.
Yeah, but you can just use a smaller resolution if your GPU isn't good enough to use it yet, which is rarely the case for ALL games. I bet you can get away just fine with games from 2015 at a high resolution no problem, and use a smaller resolution on 2024 games.
@@futuza Running at non native resolution is garbage and looks awful. And upscaling really only doesn't look bad at 4k, primarily because upscaler has just enough input data to work with to make it look decent. I'd rather play 1080p native on 1080p monitor than upscaled on 1440p monitor. Shimmering, sizzling, smearing, blurry soft edges... just no.
@@Micromation Most games have render scale or even DLSS. With Renderscale just the game internally renders at e.g. 1440p instead 4k, while the monitor can remain at 4k. Thats absolutely great and looks identical to real 1440p. For example Quake Champions. Looks identical on Render Scale 1440p on my 4k OLED compared to my previous 1440p monitor
I upgraded my monitor to 1440p high refresh, but then immediately realized I needed to upgrade my RX 580 to a 7900 xt to receive the full benefit of the monitor upgrade
Depends on what games you play and yeah the 580 is deff underpowered for a 1440p high refresh rate experience, but if the lack in GPU isn't so extreme I think 1440p medium settings can look much better than the same game at ultra settings 1080p. For 1440p I believe the 7700XT to be an amazing well rounded entry point.
I did the same thing, but I simply went a barely used 6600xt (Nitro+) for like 1440p.
You don't have to actually get a 7900 XT to enjoy a lot of things at 1440p; it's just they don't age as well for it. The RX 580 could only pull high frames at basically switch graphics 💀.
I have to say moving to a variable refresh rate monitor blew my mind
I personally see no difference
@@zeroxception Yeah, same. The fact that randomly dropping from 67 FPS to 43 doesn't seem to cause tearing is amazing.
Same, combined with going from TN (after VA) to OLED - another SSD moment of upgrade
yes but is not that impressive in the long run, yes I don't have screen tearing anymore and games do feel more snappier, because of higher refresh rate but the image quality, that didn't jumped at all from my previous 1080p 60hz 3D capable screen, in some ways, I feel my new screen has slightly less quality but could be my mind playing tricks.
@@TheZoenGaming vsync my dude. why are you running at a quality that outputs at 43fps?
I already did I, didn't push my gpu beyond 4070 and went with new OLED 1440p 240hz screen. Amazing for fps games and movies
I went for a PC and a 4k TV in 2021. I needed a new TV so I bought one 55'' Sony Bravia 4k 120hz now it has VRR, love the blacks it's a good VA panel, don't notice big difference at 10ms, I don't play esports. Next I will spend my money on a new GPU to allow me a try of 4k and 1440p . I will only change my monitor because I want it bigger than 27'', I want 31.5'' not only for gaming, but for multiple window sports watching, bigger it's better. Movies I watch on the TV, its google TV.
Bought a 4k 43" 144hz qled super thin TV, mounted in the wall and now is the perfect monitor.
Tim’s example at 4:35 of having a 1080p 60 Hz monitor that is upgraded to 1440p 144 Hz is spot on. I jumped from 1080p 60 Hz to 4K 144 Hz and find it a wonderful improvement. I also had the pleasure of gifting that 27” 1080p to someone who was using a 17” 720p.
just upgraded from 144hz TN to 240hz IPS and its a big upgrade
Yeah! Most noticeable upgrade I've ever made to my setup was switching from TN to IPS. That difference in colours was amazing!
@@noer0205 wouldve been far bigger step going to OLED though. Also for the pixel response. OLED is fast enough for the high refreshrate
@@De-M-oN Yeah, I've just made the switch myself from 1080p TN (used TN panels exclusively for like 11 years) to 1440p OLED and I'm still stunned and getting used to the colours.
@@De-M-oN it probably will be and likewise noticeable upgrade when I make the jump to OLED. But I switched to IPS many years ago, when OLED was only available on TVs and very expensive 😅
My PC is also for work-ish things and I buy stuff for a long time, so not quite ready to go OLED yet. Though I am excited to see those near-perfect response times and colours
@@De-M-oN Was thinking about getting oled but as someone who nowadays has more static content than games on the screen I didn't think it's worth it. Also I paid 330 euros for my screen and the cheapest oled was around 600
Went from 1440p 165hz VA to 4k OLED 120hz (LG TV) last year. Complete game changer.
And my previous screen wasn't even bad.
So yeah, until you're in a horrible financial situation, you really shouldn't be using a cheap, old 1080p 60hz LCD screen
My LG CX 120hz HDR10 OLED is 3 years old now and I still love it to bits as a gaming display for my PC. Everything looks and plays amazingly well on it.
There's one key benefit of a new monitor that you missed: you don't have to get rid of the old monitor and having two monitors on your PC can be incredibly useful - gaming on one monitor and chat on the other, for example.
BTW your high-end gaming setup took me back: I did have a RTX 2080 Ti, but I paired it with an Acer Nitro 4k XV273K monitor
BTW2 With regard to OLEDs I think a lot of people are waiting on the results of your burn-in test.
He uploaded an OLED burn in test on the other channel recently
@@rsac43 Yes, but it's only been a few months.
bought an alienware aw3423dwf for 650 euros, refurbished, around 1 month ago, it's mindblowing even upgrading from a really good 1440p 180hz IPS monitor (lg 27gp850)
I used to be on a 6650 XT with a decent-ish $150 1080p 144hz display. I upgraded almost simultaneously to a 4070 and a much nicer 1440p 165hz HDR monitor. Guess what? The monitor was definitely a much more noticeable upgrade.
I'm on a 5600 XT. Felt it was time to upgrade recently, looked at the market and bought a 1440p 180HZ monitor instead. I don't play any AAA games, or not for long if I try them. I love TF2 and get 390 FPS in that. A new graphics card would do nothing for me 99% of the time.
that's because you already had 4070... video says upgrading monitor before... to people having something like 1650 at best
@@divinityaidon’t even bother this guy is r.etarted
@@divinityaibro CANNOT read
Very good video. I went from a 27inch 1080p 144hz tn panel recently to 34inch ultrawide 1440p 144hz va panel for my sim rig and the difference blew my mind.
This doesn't make that much sense. Going to a higher resolution and/or higher refresh rate means you usually end up needing a better GPU. You then throw the bottleneck back to the GPU and end up upgrading it anyway.
Apart from HDR, the only other target audience here would be people with powerful/overkill GPUs running at 1080p 60hz, which is rarely the case.
"You can buy a highend oled that will last you many generations of hardware" - yeah, how about no. There is a reason why no one offers a burnin warranty longer than 3 years, with no options of paying to extend it either... oled is a shortterm purchase, and that's just a fact. For that reason i and many others are still waiting for new tech to emerge without that CONSIDERABLE downside. And if you have a highend gaming monitor from 5 years ago, stuff doesn't really look that much better today. Don't even get me started on hdr barely working in most pc games. In 9 times out of 10 people will gain more from a more powerful pc than a new monitor...
OLED looks a lot better, and that it is fast enough for the high refreshrates is a nice bonus unlike the IPS which are too slow in response time for the higher refreshrate ..
I bought an OLED tv in 2020. Zero burn-in. So I bought an HDR OLED gaming monitor last year and it's fantastic. Most of my games support HDR, and those that don't look much improved over my previous 5 year old 144hz IPS anyway.
My problem with OLED at the moment is burn in
I can't afford to pay that much for a monitor and then not be able to use it for a long time the way I want it and maybe have to pay again for a new monitor a few years later, because there are icons that just stay. I know it is less at this point, but still too much and too expensive for me
I've had my Oled on for 3 years with zero burn in (that's about 16,000 hours). It just doesn't happen with a modern Oled if you are not stupid.
@@Safetytrousers well I can't stand the auto hiding task bar often have stuff that is on the same place on the screen
"It just doesn't happen with a modern Oled if you are not stupid" I don't want to buy an expensive monitor just so I need to watch out how to use it, because it could burn in. This is just way too much money for me if I then have to watch out how to use it. Then I rather keep LCD for now. I often keep my monitors for at least half a decade. Maybe not as main monitor, but as secondary or other use. And an OLED is not the right thing for me there
I saw someone say this. And it still seems to be true "And yes, an OLED panel will suffer burn in and degrade no matter what - the question is how long it will take."
Burn in is still a thing as far as I know. And it will stay for a bit. So either the Monitors need to be way cheaper or last longer. As long as they are expensive and don't last a time that is ok in my eyes without me needing to purposefully change stuff so it lasts longer I am not that interested in it
@@cybernd6426 Half a decade? People are keeping their monitors forever since they do not malfunction and work just as well. I still have my original monitor from 2013 in my home as my secondary screen. That is a decade of use and it will accumulate another decade of a very infrequent use.
@@cybernd6426 Why would my Oled suddenly burn in after 3 years of not? The only thing I do to watch mine is put on a full screen slideshow video on if I go out for a short time.
@@Safetytrousers I would obsess over burn-in, so I stick with IPS
Smart thinking, never thought about it, mostly we are all too busy to think about cpu & gpu upgrades when our monitor still stuck at 60hz
Perfect timing, my 1080p60hz monitor turned 10 ans this year.
Still good, but I was hesitating between a GPU upgrade or a monitor replacement/upgrade.
Thank GOD someone else is saying it. Can’t count how many times I’ve seen someone budget 2k+ for a PC and then wants a 200 monitor.
I personally know a friend who litterly spend 2k for a pc and then bought a 1080p 60hz monitor😂. 1080p 60hz monitors are still technically buyable but it's the absolute lowest end display there is.
You're exaggerating. You can have GREAT monitor for 200...
@@Micromation stop. Dint give anyone advice again if you thing a $200 monitor is appropriate for a $2,000 rig because either you don’t know monitors or how to build a $2,000 pc properly. You’re the person I’m talking about.
Such is the power of Nvidia marketing buying a 4090 will also make you rich and a hit with the girls. (it won't)
@@snarlynx1 If it's freesync you can 250-300€, same monitor but gsynch 450-500€. I wont spend more than 400€ on a 1440p 32'' monitor.
Monitor unboxed propaganda
Yeah! We hate monitors here, Tim! D:
How is reaching out to people with cheap monitors about to buy another GPU to let them consider an alternative purchase propaganda? Ive seen way too many people running high end PC's with a trash monitor.
😂😂
If you play competitive fps, you will get the fast graphics card, the fast refresh rate monitor but will play at 1080p (I’m sure Esports gamers aren’t absolutely wrong), set everything to the lowest possible there is no compromise at being able to see what is meant to be seeing, so they can play it at the highest and stable framerate possible with a monitor that makes use of as much as the system, through the gpu delivers so they have, not exclusively, the lowest possible input lag times
An interesting perspective, well articulated.
Thank you.
I watch my friend game on his PS5 on an enormous 4K TV, and it's impressive as hell.
Instructions unclear, spent $3k on video hardware, playing Elden Ring locked at 60.
4k or 8k is a thing?
Psst, there is a mod that unlocks the framerate of Elden Ring...
1080p TN monitor, right?
@@EmblemParadeI've heard it makes the game hella stuttery, but would love to try it since I'm guessing my 7900 GRE could push 120+ ultra settings at my current 1080p res.
I did just this almost 3 years ago during Covid. Worst mistake ever. Bought a LG 4K monitor to replace my dell ultrasharp 1440p monitor and it immediately rendered my evga gtx1080 useless. Ended up having to overspend again to buy a GPU, during covid again, just to play some current games at 4K. Of course, it was my own fault for not doing proper research at what was needed to run 4K. The $1K 3080 is a daily reminder to not make that mistake again.
Is it at least 10gb 3080?
He did mention this in the video, that you could've just played the games at 1440p on your 4k monitor, until you get your eventual GPU upgrade.
That's what I've been doing, my 1070 is definitely starting to show it's age, that I've started to play newer games at 1080p on my 1440p ultrawide
Here's hoping there'll be a nice sale on some mid end 30 or 40s series soon
I did it the other way around - I bought a 4080 Super to replace a broken 2080ti ,running a pair of 4k60m27" panels . I got tired of seeing the GPU chilling with games maxed out 😂 so replaced one of the panels with a 4k144 32" LG one a month back. Enjoying the results even if it cost a fair deal
Why would you jump from 1080 to 4k?
That's an 8x increase in requirements.
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Great stuff! I've always felt that monitor quality is overlooked in PC building discussions. Cheers
I hadn't considered monitors. I see better at 1080p with a 24" display but if I can go 1440p with crisp text with not too high fractional scaling I'll look into it. Really informative video. Thanks! 😊
2:50 well yes Upscaling does work better if the monitor resolution is high. But guess what you don't need at 1080p? Upscaling.
1080p is poo poo though
Hell yeah, an HD4850 is gonna last forever!!
Thank gawd I still have one lying around somewhere
For certain subset of games we are back to 1080p/60Hz targets with minspec around RX6800, the vast majority of Steam users do not have anything close to this.
Higher fidelity screen is definitelly a luxury rather than the need for most people, but for sure i would love to grab 32" 4K240Hz monitor that my 6900XT won't be able to drive in games I play and work on without upscalers anyway.
This video is super condensed, great information
Best advice ever, biggest upgrade i ever experienced.
The video is well intentioned and I get was he's trying to say - don't neglect including your monitor in your upgrade cycle. But I think Tim got tunnel vision with what he's trying to say. Suggesting a RTX2060S, an old 8GB card, paired with a 4K monitor (the M27U)? See at 12:28
Take a step back and think about that. He'd have us look at a heavily upscaled (prob. with frame gen), clear-as-mud image (albeit on a nice monitor)? Hard no for me.
What about the recommendation right above it which he is also literally talking about, you'd disregard the whole video for that?
You guys do a great job of coming at things from an interesting, other angle
I hope prices will be good at the end of year, I'm moving to a different country and will finally update my setup!
i upgrade my monitor from 1080p to 1440p , now i cant get 60 fps on 1440p
Exactly
Refresh rate upgrade as well? If yes, run it in 1080p and enjoy better image clarity and response times
use DLSS or FSR then if your GPU supports it
DLSS balanced on 1440p requires the same horsepower as 1080p native or thereabouts if your GPU supports it. I went from 1080p 60Hz to 1440p 100Hz, with Gsync compatibility for a decent price of £140, but only about a year after upgrading my GPU first.
this is the deadly upward spiral where an upgrade creates the need for more upgrades
Please do series of productivity setups. Would help as not everyone plays games for majority of their time. Thanks
Channels think twice about making videos for a minority. They do mention productivity for CPU reviews and high end GPUs.
Loved how informative this was, I'm rocking a 6 year old 1080p for a while and feel more justified bumping up into 1440p monitor even if the GPU can't output at that yet
Hey, I just upgraded my monitor two weeks ago, best upgrade ever. Its still 1080p because I only have an entry GPU (rtx3060), but the better colour gamut and high refresh rate really make the difference (from 75Hz to 180Hz).
100% right, but whenever I upgrade my GPU i sell my old one and buy used so i get a pretty good deal. Last time i traded my 3060 for a 6700 for an extra $35
I'm not comfortable buying a used monitor and they don't hold their value as much as GPUs these days.
I want to get a 1440p monitor but as a college student I don't have a lot to spare.
If like me you are stuck with a 1080p monitor, running games at higher resolutions with any type of temporal anti-aliasing improves sharpness a lot and reduces the blurry nature of TAA/DLSS/FSR/XESS
Currently playing Elden ring at 1700p and it makes a huge difference particularly in foliage
This video sounds so incredibly out of touch 😅
He is always talking about high end monitors/ gaming. Someone needs to talk about the high end stuff.
Just because something doesn't apply to you it doesn't mean it's out of touch. This was aimed at people with both the disposable income and the intention of upgrading their GPU soon, so that they get a better deal in upgrading their 1080p 60hz cheapo monitor instead.
I absolutely love my $500 Q7 model of the TCL 55 inch 120 Hz 4K TV. It does have some issues with ghosting at lower frame rate but you can just run it at 60 FPS or use FSR 3.1 and frame generation to get 120 FPS and it works absolutely perfectly fine and is so immersive. Nothing compares to 55 inch TV for gaming except other sizes which cost thousands of dollars
Awesome video Tim. Definitely convinced me to look for a monitor upgrade instead of trying to rationalize a gpu upgrade over my rx 6800
Unfortunately I am stuck on a 60 hz display because there are no modern gaming displays with a 16:10 aspect ratio. 16:9 just isn't suitable for productivity. If any of the big players would make a 2400p high end gaming monitor they would likely make a killing.
How is it not? Just get some card board and over like a tiny bit on the left and right of your screen.
@@mryellow6918 I want more screen real estate, not less. The extra vertical space might not seem like a lot when you just look at the numbers, but makes a huge difference in day to day use.
@@guderian557 then just sit closer or get a bigger screen.
@@mryellow6918 I want to, but as mentioned, there are no 16:10 high end gaming monitors available.
@@guderian557 whats 16:10 got to do with not being able to get a larger screen.
"Many people are using outdated gaming Monitors". Me, with a 200€ IPS lenovo without any adaptive sync that I got some 6 years ago:"Yeah haha, "gaming" monitors haha"
I'm still using my first 144hz 1080p 1ms monitor (Acer Predator GN246HL 24"), that I have had for almost 10 years now (I paid 289€ for it at the time).
Monitors:
1x Asus VE247 24" 1920x1080 60Hz 2ms (DIY wall mounted above) - had this one before the first 144hz monitor.
3x Acer Predator GN246HL 24" 1920x1080 144Hz 1ms (attached to stand listed below) - bought 2 more of these same screens like a year or two after the first one.
Stand - HUANUO Monitor Stand for 3 Monitors (13 - 24 Inch) - picked this arm up in 2020 for ~70€
Got it all hooked still to my "MSI GTX 1080 Ti Gaming X 11G" i got back in August 2017.
4K TV is close enough, right? Right? 😕
@@keithduthie same dawg. :(
I wish more experts would be honest about how subjective this stuff is - they miss out the human element.
I was using a 10 yr old 'smart' TV (1080p/60Hz) with a high spec gaming rig. I decided it was sacrilege to pair this hardware with such an old display.
Bought an LG C2 OLED (4K/120Hz) and the upgrade was not worth the ~€1000 price tag - don't let people convince you the upgrade is always worth it. As long as you are happy with your display, keep using it.
The only thing I was really impressed with was HDR; otherwise I was actually really happy with my 'outdated' old display.
My main monitor is a "Acer Predator GN246HL 24 144hz 1ms" which I have had soon for almost 10 years (bought it for 289€ new at the time).
The screens I have:
1x Asus VE247 24" 1920x1080 60Hz 2ms (DIY Wall Mounted) - monitor I used before the Acer.
3x Acer Predator GN246HL 24" 1920x1080 144Hz 1ms (Mounted on a triple arm stand) - got 2 more of them ~1-2 years after the first one.
still loving my 24G2 from 4-5 years ago thanks to your recommendations. the longevity is fantastic, still great performance for what it is.
Awesome perspective, Tim! Top marks!
Getting a good headset/speakers is another thing to look to upgrade for a better all round experience. Wait for 5000 series for gpu price drops and performance upgrades.
I'm excited to see what AMD offers this time around. Based on the current rumors, they're taking the "make last gen performance more efficient and cheaper" approach.
I like pro consumer rumors. I generally purchase budget>>value>>quality upgrading when things break, become obsolete, or if there is value to improving quality of life. It would be a shame if my cheap headset were to break..
Funnily enough with speakers I still use my Logitech X230s which I've daily drived for 17 years now , they are so good for the age that to upgrade would even now cost a fortune
I would argue a soundcard can also be a great upgrade it you care about good sound. Most people play with onboard sound, but I've been using a dedicated soundcard for over 10 years and don't want to go back. Of course that only makes sense if you're pairing it with a good sound system.
not headset, but headphones. even Philips SHP9500 at $80 is better than a "gaming" headset. you also need something to make the sound better. i use Peter's Equalizer APO which is free and Boom 3D. Boon 3D can make stereo headphones into 3D surround.
it make sense if you already have a perfectly good pc to run at those resolution and fps, but if not, i'd just buy the pc parts first
Lol, he clearly explained throughout the entire video that the new GPUs are not worth at this point -- for now -- for the same price points and that a newer OLED monitor and HDR can greatly improve your experience from the GPU you already own. First, buy a monitor, then buy a GPU later this year if it doesn't work for your gaming and resolutions and FPS experiences. The monitor by itself can erase your perceived problems since monitors display your computer's generated output. A much older 1080p monitor can create a sense that your GPU is no longer on par.
@@2023betterresearch i did watch the entire video as well
@@7663 Okay, so how is this a proper counter argument? His video will evidently not apply to literally all gamers on planet earth. It's something to consider he repeatedly said over and over throughout the video and ended with the same point: something to consider. He demonstrated why you should consider. So why suggest the opposite and say that you should upgrade the PC components first and then the monitor?
@@2023betterresearch i didn't argue? If you have a proper pc it makes perfect sense to buy a good monitor
@@7663 But that's not the point of the video. Your comment is not reflected in the video. We all know that if you have an excellent PC, to then upgrade to a much better monitor. The point of the video is that a lot of gamers think they need to upgrade the PC components when it might not be the culprit of their lackluster experience and to consider a much better monitor first before purchasing PC components like a GPU that might not actually - benchmarkingly speaking - give proper results for the same price points. You stated the obvious in your comment. Tim in his video is not stating the obvious, he is showing us something else that is not evident to most gamers.
It's a common mistake to undervalue the hardware you see, hear, and touch (monitor, keyboard, mouse, and speakers) in favour of making the hardware in your PC case the best it can be. The hardware you directly interact with does a lot to determine the quality of your experience when using a PC.
I change my monitor setup last year. I run an old and weird 25' 1080p TN LG TV-monitor hybrid from around 2011. Then I bought 20' 1600x1200 IPS Dell 2007FPb from 2008 for retro stuff, and it blew my mind, despite being two years older it have a superior color quality. A half year later I exchanged that LG for 32' 4k VA Gigabyte M32UC and the jump in visual quality is insane. I don't plan to upgrade in the nearest few years, certainly not for OLED due to still existing burn-in issues.
I was running a 3070ti and a 60hz 1080p monitor from 2012 till recently. When I upgraded to a 1440p 165 hz monitor, first of all I didn't see any improvement in smoothenes, not the mouse or scrolling, not in games, no advantage in esports shooters. Only disadvantages.
The first one is that every netflix or prime series looks now laggy as hell. While you see minor sharpness increase due to resolution I find it negligible, but it takes 2x the power and halves my fps. I've been playing max raytracing everywhere in 1080p and now even couldn't turn it on.
So I had to upgrade GPU aswell to 4070 ti super to even play games. People with 60 series cards or older 70 series cards should not even think about going 1440p. Go 1080p 165 hz at best if you see the difference with higher refreshrate. For me there is only few 1440p cards on the market. Being 3090/ti, 4070 ti super (non ti and non super mainly being 1080p cards for newer games, because you need at least dlss balanced or peformance to reach playable fps in CP2077 or Alan Wake 2 with everything maxed out in 1440p), and the 4080/super, the only ture 4k card is the 4090.
So 4k is off the table anyways for everyone who doesn't have 4k€ lying around for a rig + monitor. 1440p is just for very high midrange cards where you need to invest at least 1,5k with monitor and gpu to become a playable experience. Every one else is stuck to 1080p. The only exception to this is if you're only playing 6 year old games. Then you can go 1440p even on older cards, but theres only few pople solely sticking to old games.
AMD cards are off the table due to bad RT performance (7900 xt has literally half of the FPS in Alan Wake or CP 2077 what even a 4070ti super can offer). FSR is still far worse than DLSS even with FSR 3.1. Intel has nothing powerfull enough yet.
I barely get 60 fps with DLSS quality in CP2077 with drops to 50 on my 4070ti super in 1440p, with FG I get 90-100. there is no way ppl with weaker cards even the 3090/ti are having really good esperiences in 1440p besides old/indie games.
I listened to you & now Helldivers 2 plays at 38fps when it rains 😢 but I have gsync & 1440p 165Hz so yay me?
Lol.
1080/60 to 1080/165 OR 1440/60
I guess you said: YES.
I made the same mistake
- sadly YT is 60FPS locked.
Else we could now look YT in 2k/165Hz ;+)
Is there no upscaling or graphical tweaks on that game
You bought a new monitor in less than an hour after this came out?
And if so, you might want to watch the video again, as you missed some key points, like the fact that you can turn those settings down until you can upgrade your rig to run the higher resolution.
Also the new swamp biome is tanking everyone's fps, it's a bug. Doesn't matter if you have a 4090, your rig will never be good enough to render its way through the bugs.
If I understand you correctly, you had Helldivers 2 playing at 38 FPS, and then you upgraded your monitor. So you gained a bit of response time and better image quality and no tearing but didn't gain framerate.
I agree.
I bought a 27inch 1440p 144hz HDR monitor (LG Ultragear) and believe me when I tell you it makes a night and day difference. I can see more colours, particle effects finally looks noticable and crisp. Moreover, the overall detail makes the gaming experience looks more immersive.
Thanks for the videos. It's really helpful for me
I spent my entire paycheck on one of those new 32" QDOLEDs to experience HDR gaming for the first time (upgrading from a 32" TN) and HDR is hardly a game changer. Everything looks different but it's hard to call it better. Absolutely not worth the price premium
It just hurts my eyes. I think he's an Aussie so i guess he's used to having his retinas nuked by UV light
very true
Had the opposite experience, got a good price and found the increased brightness and contrast very pleasant and overall was a great and memorable upgrade.
🔥Bro, you HAVE to talk about gaming TVs at some point. You can't continue avoiding this since many PC/console users prefer that experience. Other than that, excellent video!👍🏻
I agree, but unfortunately, I'm already where I want to be monitor-wise. 4K 144Hz is good enough for me. But my 3080 10G is crying. Having to turn down the graphics settings mean I'm not getting the most out of my monitor. I'm hoping the 5080 will be powerful enough and more importantly, reasonably-priced enough. I won't pay the price for a 4090 and worry about it burning down my house.
My friend recently got a new mid-range computer with an MSI MPG 271QRX QD-OLED monitor. Seems like the right thing to do in the current market.
While I can agree to some degree, I think it's absurd that modern games require essentially 4k>=120hz just to minimize the blur, smearing and sizziling introduced by TAA/DLSS/FSR and rendering pipelines that neccessitate temporal upscaling (low res particles, nanite etc).
Also what's really the point of having a high refresh monitor if I only have the hardware to run it at 60hz anyway? I mean sure if I drop below that the monitor can render each frame twice and maintain freesync but that's about it. Motion clarity won't be affected in any way since most modern games essential simulate a 30+ year old LCD with their dogshit TAA and even if you replace that with DLSS that might do a slightly better there's still going to be worse motion clarity compared to a non-TAA game on a 20 year old LCD.
The point I think you're missing is that if you limit yourself to a 1080p/low refresh rate monitor (or whatever you might be at), you can't play at a higher resolution for ANY of your games. If you have a higher resolution monitor, sure you can't play new games at high settings, but your old games? They'll probably run at 1440p just fine, and you can just run the newer games at lower settings/resolutions. It's the choice between limiting everything, and just limiting some.
One thing Tim doesn't mention though is that once you go up a resolution/refresh rate, you won't want to go back. So there is some merit to just staying on a bad monitor so you don't spoil yourself.
even if the framerate is low, the higher refreshrate gives still better motion clarity and less input lag
Better pixel response time gives better clarity even at the same FPS. An OLED at 60fps will look significantly clearer than a VA panel at the same FPS.
@@ascissordollynamedgwen9409 try watching the video next time before commenting 😊
I have many problems regarding your statements about 1080p monitors and then recommending monitors with higher resolutions:
1) Money and electricity consumption are very important. You cant just blindly waste money on a product that increases your electricity bills.That is a very important concern for consumers.
2) Despite the many benefits 1440p and 4k monitors bring, those two are very expensive compared to 1080p monitors. Their prices, especially 4k monitors, are close or the same as mid- or high-tier GPUs depending on the models.
3) Higher resolutions and high refresh rates means wasting more electricity and taxing your own hardware. That means, the consumer is maybe then forced to upgrade the system or in the worst-case scenario, build a new one further wasting money. It depends on the situation.
4) Energy labels and power efficiency: This goes hand in hand with 1). Bigger sized monitors, higher resolutions and refresh rates means the manufacturer didn't seem to bother considering alternatives to reduce power consumption. This increases not only electricity bills but the overall product is more expensive the higher the specs go. Manufacturers, who aren't willing to improve the power consumption by researching technologies and developing new methods to reduce power consumption aren't worth my money. That's why energy labels are there for and people can find out through more researches if the manufacturer was lying about the claims and the efficiency category the manufacturer claimed how good the product is in terms of energy consumption.
5) "Graphics visuals look better on higher resolutions". Please give certain hardware examples as to why that's the case. Me being a developer, it doesn't make sense to make use of certain visual features, when it's only accessible for consumers with expensive monitors. a) It's unfair for other consumers b) you are putting a bit more pressure on the hardware, so what's the point here? Game optimization is important. c) Sure, it is beneficial for video and photo editing as well as production but for average gamers, where is the point? It's a question of taste.
6) Consumers don't always play modern Triple A games. They play also old Triple A games, indie games and retro games. Not all of those games are optimized going above their designed FPS. Many games have either a 30 or 60FPS lock for various reasons. It's because their game engines were designed that way for various different reasons. There are games with mods that disable the FPS locks and can run fine, were other games can't simple handle higher refresh rates because, again, the engines weren't designed that way.
7) Artifacts: Tim, do you know basics of game engines? Artifacts can appear on any resolution. Sure, higher resolutions can reduce more artifacts but the problem with artifacts on 1080p monitors aren't a significant problem to point where it massively bothers the player. If that's the case, then the game was poorly optimized. The problems with visual artifacts also stems from engines how they deal with visuals.
If players see small amounts of artifacts and find this very annoying, then it's subjective.
8) "Games are easier to play on higher refresh rates": I agree that games running on higher refresh rates look more fluid and lively but your point, although true, can be misleading. People can play games at 60Hz (lower or higher) perfectly fine and can have a great experience. Your point trying to justify purchasing monitors with higher specs wont sit well with other people since it's just laughable and doesn't make much sense. Average gamers aren't hardcore speed-runners or competitive players who focus on frame exploitation and they will definitely find monitors with higher refresh rates more beneficial.
9) No, only because a certain high-end monitor is cheap in your region, doesn't mean it's cheap in the other nation. There are nations where high-end monitors are much more expensive than you have suggested otherwise.
10) I don't deny the many benefits monitors with higher specs (1440p or 4k monitors with higher refresh rates) bring. However, there are 1080p monitors with higher refresh rates, too. Players should lower their expectations, what is realistic for them to archive and demands because this is a typical topic for graphic w* loosing their minds willing to waste hundreds and why console players find it amusing those types of gamers waste their money. 1080p monitors aren't terrible and still to this day fulfill the demands of many people. The problems you have presented are largely subjective and motivate people, in certain scenarios, to waste their money, when they don't need to. The utility of higher resolution monitors is subjective and varies depending on individual needs and preferences. For many users, especially those not focused on high-end gaming or professional visual work, 1080p monitors remain adequate and cost-effective. So how come you have not considered this? Especially, when you looked at the survey from Steam.
Tim, please evaluate your own script before presenting your own points.
In case someone fully or you, Tim, disagrees to what I said, you are proving my point, especially 1), 9) and 10).
Thank you pulled the words out of my mouth. This feels like an add for their monitor unboxed channel than actual informative video lol
I moved to 1440p 10 years ago and you have to put a gun to my head to make me go back to 1080P. The difference in visual quality is immense and the difference in price is negligible. By your logic we should still use 480p monitors since they were perfectly adequate 20 years ago.
To point 4) I have forgotten here and there words: The problem with the industry is that, instead of doing research to develop a new technology or improve it more, they just slap any available technology into the product. Thus resulting to the current situation we have where high-end monitors consume a lot of power. That's what I wanted to mention. Many manufacturers don't seem to be willing to invest more time and money to come up with something new in order to reduce the power consumption by a lot. As things stand, 1080p monitors with lower refresh rates to at least 100Hz are the most power efficient monitors, if the overall hardware is not shoddy.
To point 5) I have forgotten to add something. The difference of visual improvements is actually minor. Run a triple A game on 1080p and 60FPS, then go higher with the refresh rates. Then later, go higher with the resolution and refresh rates. Do you notice differences? Depending on the game and monitor, the differences are so minor and others are barely noticeable. What is noticeable for me in some games is that text quality and colors look a little bit more smooth. Whether or not those differences are noticeable, it's really up to personal tastes. Meaning, your point is still baseless and completely subjective. This is a a poor point trying to justify a purchase of monitors with higher resolutions. What's the point if you have already good graphics but then wasting further money just to get slightly better visual improvements? It doesn't make sense. If a game looks visually awful, has excessive and annoying motion blur, too much artifacts, poor rendering of lighting textures, etc., then it's 100% the problem of the game's engine and poor optimization. You are just supporting the idea to unnecessarily waste money when you don't need to.
To point 6) I forgot to add that, even if there are FPS locks, FPS locks are not equal to in-game stutters and big FPS drops. There are plenty games out here with FPS locks that run super smooth. Having a monitor with higher refresh rates and playing a game with either FPS lock or not but experiencing a lot of performance issues I mentioned does not solve the performance issues at all. Meaning, again, the engine wasn't optimized well.
To point 7) Even if there are small, barely noticeable artifacts, what's the point of complaining? Why suggesting seeking monitors with higher resolutions considering, if game engines are well optimized when it comes to rendering visuals, when all is fine and good on 1080p? Your point doesn't make any sense.
Finally: 4k is not everywhere well optimized when it comes to visual alignment. So, why bother using it if it isn't well optimized not to mention it's hardware intensive while playing a triple A game. It doesn't make sense for other people.
Your video is complete BS and only made for graphic w*. I am really sad having this sad because, you guys are actually a great channel and I have ever imagined you put out a video like this with terrible misinformation and advice. Most of the problems you have presented are due to how game engines are. Throwing money at it will not always solve the problem. Your own preferences when it comes to PC gaming are not the same like anyone else. Meaning, your comments are actually propaganda at this point. With this terrible misinformation you are the type of people who are causing unnecessary headache for developers (like me) and further proving points of game companies who don't care about optimization and good visuals even at lower settings forcing the consumer to waste more money for better hardware. Again, this is all because of optimization. Again, throwing money at it will not always solve anything. I will consider unsubscribing because I have high standards and demands when it comes to presenting factual information. This is terrible and needs to be corrected.
As I have said previously: if anyone fully disregards what I have said, then you are proving my point. Just use whatever you need and want, play whatever game and game settings you prefer. Consider what is personally best for you, your hard-earned money and what options are realistic enough for you to realize. Do not listen to this terribly misleading video.
@@benedict9016
"By your logic we should still use 480p monitors since they were perfectly adequate 20 years ago."
I have never said or implied that buddy...
@@forestmanzpedia The difference between 1080p and 1440p is night and day, likewise for 60hz vs 144hz+. If you struggle to see much difference or consider it minor I suggest taking an eye test.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. Currently using the RX590, amazing card for 1080p, it can run everything I've thrown at it at atleast 1080p. I've wanted to go to 1440p for a while now, and with FSR 3.0 just dropping I believe that shouldn't be a problem.
Thanks for this rundown on the state of monitors. I check up on it every few years to decide if it's time to make a move from what I have, and it probably is now. I often find myself wanting a higher refresh so I can read moving text easier in games without the smear-stutter effect it gets, and wishing for better black levels in dark scenes. What I have can't do that. They can't handle forced refresh hacks or improve the picture with any further calibration.
The only thing holding me back is my strong preference for 16:10 (3:2 is acceptable), but that ratio died on desktop monitor in the late 2000's in favor of 16:9. My L220x (2007) is all but retired, and my U2412M (2012) is long in the tooth. Although I've seen a few 16:10/3:2 monitors come out, it's still a unicorn with modern features and it's time to move on and find my next 5~10 year monitor in 16:9.
For anyone wondering why some people like 16:10 when you can just get more vertical pixels with 1440p and up, for me it's a matter of padding for UI/toolbars/etc.. I generally want to have a full 16:9 frame visible with space for toolbars above/below when I'm doing any kind of work or light media consumption. 16:10 provides pretty much exactly the extra space needed for that. It's also nice on games that don't punish your horizontal FOV when you have extra vertical space. I watch a lot of movies in 2.35:1 so I'm already used to letterboxing above and below when watching 16:10 in fullscreen.
Thanks, I'm now playing my games at 720p on my 4K monitor
Makes sense! Just use fsr to increase the resolution from 540p to 720p and you gpu should be just fine!
Thought this would be the FSR 3.1 video. But I agree, FSR 1.0 Ultra performance on my S90C OLED >>> DLSS 3.7 Quality on my 27' 72hz FHD VA at work :)
We're not rushing that out, in-depth testing takes time :D Expect it sometime next week, probably mid week.
@@Hardwareunboxed some already rushed that, and it seems there are some problems like ghosting in Ghost of Tsushima and some artifacts on wet surfaces in Ratchet and Clank, but other than that it seems great, can't wait for in-depth analysis
@@1Grainer1 Yeah low effort clickbait channels already rushed that. High quality ones actually take their time and provide in-depth analysis.
@@HardwareunboxedHi, can you also test dlss performance vs fsr quality at 4k?
@@matejnemec3022 Well some known channels like zWormz,Daniel,Ancient Gameplay,Tech yes city, pretty much have same conclusion its good, it has less shimmering,ghosting etc its not as "same level" as DLSS but if you're in 1440p/4K highly doubt your going to notice much not unless you really pixel hunt.
In the end it will be up to devs how well they will implement FSR on their games.
Bought a ROG SWIFT PG278Q in 2014 and it's still great, 1440p 144hz. Yeah it's TN, but the viewing angels are near 180 and the colors are fine enough. It's TN because IPS just didn't have the response time back then, now there are loads of 1ms IPS panels.
At this point I'm just waiting for OLED panels to not be $600+
Cries in 4 screen 1080p 75Hz.
The problem is you'll NEED a better GPU to run a higher resolution or refresh rate monitor so that the upgrade is worthwhile. Sticking with a 1080p 144Hz display is the best thing I have done. I even have a newer 1440p display I got at a huge discount with existing, about to expire, Lenovo credit and I'm not going to set it up until I upgrade my aging i7-8700 based CPU and 3060Ti.
Why not try the 1440p? It can display a 1080p signal.
You're wrong for waiting
@@Safetytrousers Yes a blurry 1080p.
@@LexusYachtClub I have 1440p on my laptop so I know what I'm missing. My first computer was a TI99/4A and I grew up with pixels the size of your thumb so 1080p doesn't bother me at all. I'd much rather the frame rate than the resolution.
@@sammyfromsydney It depends on the screen. My LG Oled does 1080p like native.
You only think this way 'cause for you, buying a new GPU is never gonna be a problem no matter how overpriced they are. Many people are still stuck with 3-4 generations old GPUs, what do those people benefit from getting a new monitor? It may make the games and stuff they're currently doing look better but at what cost? You could literally get a budget GPU at that cost, and as for the current state of GPUs pricing, I think those people will rather just wait out for the next generation of GPUs/CPUs or whatever their bottleneck is, and buy that. Someone who is on a 1060, unless they win a lottery or giveway or something and get something like a 4070 Ti Super, will not benefit much from getting a new monitor. They will benefit by getting a new GPU though because at least they'll be able to play the games they want right now even if the visuals are reduced/bottlenecked by the poor monitor panel.
words of wisom! This video is just a bad taste
Just straight up useless whine.
His recommendations are based on harware survey and what most people are using. He gave some pretty clear examples. It's not his fault the GPUs are overpriced, neither is someone's lack of finances. If you were unable to find the budget to upgrade in 10 years, maybe you should focus on other things than gaming.
The point of this video is about balances, ofcourse you don't get a 4k 240hz oled when you still run a gt 730. but for people that run say a 3060 or a 4060, getting an oled might be a better idea then say upgrade to a 4070 or a 14600k cpu, especially since an older gen Oled like the LG 27inch 1440p oled can be get for around 700usd(I got mine for that much 4 to 5 month ago, might be cheaper now on clearance sell), or if you willing, from brand like Innocn for around 500usd, even 3440x1440 oled can be bought for around 700, which is way cheaper then LCD ultrawide a few years ago.
I used to ran an ultrawide VA on may main 4090/5950x rigs and a 27inch oled on my secondary rig that have a 11600 and a 3060, on the same game I always prefer the secondary setup due to how good the picture quality of the OLED is, despite having a smaller size and somewhat lower horizontal resolution, now the oled is on my main setup (although I don't own my secondary setup anymore).
@@InfiniteDarkMass That sounds quite elitist. "What's that? You can't afford to spend 100's of dollars on PC hardware, welp guess you just shouldn't enjoy your favorite hobby. That's right people who can barely make ends meet due to the cost of living crisis, you should be more miserable and not enjoy the one enjoyable thing you have left." Over the last 10 years buying things has gotten harder, and GPUs have become more expensive, I'd say it's entirely reasonable that someone who could only buy a 1050 Ti or 1060 would not have had the money to buy any new GPU since then, especially if they skipped Turing as most people don't buy every generation.
Shoot I’m trying to save up and get a 4070 super ti myself it gonna be a while😂 hopefully holiday
Tim, what is the music theme 18:31 of your channel? I'd like to get the entire piece (or album) if any.
Solid video and advice. Thanks!
With all due respect this is BS. What a disappointing video filled with misinformation
4 years ago I went from a 24 inch 1080p 60hz monitor to a 38 inch 3840x1600 120hz one... MASSIVE upgrade
19:10 ok BUT
38 inches?
You using Tiler / multiple windows one monitor?
@@weltsiebenhundertIt's 24:10
Your ppi didn't go up to much but a nice little jump, but gained faster and a larger size.
then you needed at least a 3090ti to play anything new with more than 30 fps even with DLSS.
@@williehrmann that's not true.. haha
Dual screen setup, had a ryzen 1600x nvidia 1070 combo when my oldest 4:3 sony 2nd screen died. Kept my iiyama ProLite B2712HDS (also old) and went with the new (at the time) LG27GL850.
The 1440p resolution unlocked by the screen did put my computer to his knee in some game but it was overall a great experience. Fast forward to 2 month ago. Upgraded my setup with Ryzen 7800x3d and Radeon 7900XT and I'm finally able to fully utilise my LG screen resolution and refresh rate and it's great.
I'll repeat the process when my old iiyama dies but it's more than 14years and its still working xD My question, will my probably future OLED screen last that long ? =P
I would teally love IF you would do sort of chart wich monitor/gpu combinations are a good rational choice! To be honest I really expected to see it in the video. Like what monitor would you suggeste for a combo of r5 3600/rx6600 (currently using 24 1080 ips 75hz 250kd LG)?
I upgraded to 4k monitor last year. Sadly my 3060 cant keep up. So I upgraded to 1080p again. Worse everything, but hey at least I'm getting 90fps again.
You should pay for some English lessons before you get a new gpu.
You mean downgraded to 1080p xD
Why not just buy a better gpu too?
There's a little thing called DLSS performance mode. At 4k it's still going to look far better than 1080p native but it will still be a little bit more demanding than it. Older games you could probably run native or with DLSS quality.
What a nonsense.
The whole market is a nightmare, especially since Corona. Just because monitors improved and got cheaper in comparison to products that are overpriced by up to 500 %, it doesn't mean they're worth the money either.
But sure, get your QD OLED DP 1.2 "true purple experience" today, when playing in 240 HZ later. Apples and eggs, my dear.
5 years ago I bought the LG 32GK650F-B 32" QHD as recommended by you :) I'm now running it with a RTX3070. Not really seeing what would be an upgrade for that price point, back then of about $400
I'm still stuck on an LG 29" 21:9 60Hz 1080p on my main rig, but i barely use that these days.
I did however recently buy an ASUS ROG Flow X13 with the 13" 1920x1200 120Hz glass touchscreen as a travel companion and holy hells does it make a massive difference