Contrary to some comments bellow, I see a lot of plus in that boat. Aft cabin with a little room for baby. A nice roomy and bright pilot house with a fantastic view for when you will sail in higher latitudes. Like Johan said, when at sea, you will appreciate the not so roomy layout below to give you something to grab. One of the middle cabin can be modify to accommodate a washing machine. The other will be perfect for storing lot of big and heavy stuff. You can leave the front cabin for an eventual crew member or more stuff (not too much and heavy in front). Furling main sail and a pair of electric winches are another plus for a light crew. Bow thruster for a boat that size is a must. Lot of space on the deck. Center cockpit. Big davit and support for solar panels. GLUED teak deck (no screw) ! Lot of space in the engine room. If the engine have been well maintained, you know the quality of Volvo Penta engines ;-). A nice four folding blades propeller. Rudder on a skeg. Of course, there is a lot of details you did not show us. Are there some minus we did not see ? How are the sails and the rigging ? The asked price seem reasonable and leave some room for negociation. Well, let see the other boats for a comparison...
Looks like a nice comfortable boat for a family with kids... 150hp is a Huge diesel. Much bigger with more weight and fuel consumption than necessary. I wonder why the original owner went with one that big - did he see it as a motor-sailor? A boat that size could easily get along nicely with one 60-85hp. Not a fan of a cored hull or decks though, especially under water unless its foam. They all develop leaks eventually... better a core that does not absorb water, rot and stays strong.
With the right budget, I’d go looking for a Nauticat 515. Our custom Bruce Roberts is basically a steel copy of the Nauticat 43. Having now lived aboard our pilothouse sailboat for nearly 3 years, I couldn’t go to a boat that i a) couldn’t command from an inside helm, and b) where I couldn’t sit in my raised salon and see all around the boat at all times. Several times we’ve seen vessels dragging down on us at anchor, can keep a proper lookout on passage while dry and warm etc, whereas the submarine salons on most boats - we wouldn’t have a clue what’s going on around us! Things I’m sure you’ve already considered
Mike Santis not at all. The older nauticat designs, i believe it was a 35’ & 42’ designs were considered motor/sailors, but later models were redesigned for modern sailing performance, such as the 43’ and 515. Google/youtube them, they’re unbelievable vessels!!
A awesome boat!! Covert V-berth to work shop. Covert one of the cabins to a pantry. Replace the 27 year old engine. New head plumbing. What a wonderful canvas to make into a perfect boat. The inside helm station is amazing. The only down side I see is the 7' 10" draft. Thanks for another great vid.
I really like this Forgus 52 but two things prevent a sale for me....the almost 8 ft. draft and the balsa core. It does have an almost ideal length of 52 ft. and its displacement of almost 52,000 lb. means it should be sea kindly. Like Malin, I feel a bit closed in and I wouldn't need 5 cabins. I'd turn 2 cabins into 1 large one and 2 others into a work shop/spare parts room. I really like the inside helm station. I'm hoping you two find the right sailboat for your needs and one you both fall in love with!!
If I was going to put down 200k on a boat, I would do my best to hire Johan to inspect it for me. The money for his time, transportation, etc would more than make up for a costly miss when buying a boat. It's something you may want to do as a part time gig Johan, I am sure there are lots of people that would pay good money for someone with your level of knowledge and expertise when it comes to boats and sailing. Always impressed by your keen eye and savvy.
"This is quite hideous actually". Haha, you took the words out of my mouth! And that was before I saw the baby blue lower down! Yeah, too cut up, the original owner must have been a sailing orphanage. Too bad because otherwise there is a lot to like. The raised salon is nice, and the woodwork is beautiful, and I like the cockpit and helm. Looking forward to tomorrow's tour!
The original owner was probably taking groups of 6-8 people on ocean sailing training courses at €1500 per person for a week. Top quality upholstery replacement €5000.
Deck saloon with inside steering station is a major plus in my book, but I have the feeling cramming 6 cabins in a 52ft was a bit too much. Ends up with tight spaces and a bit claustrophobic by the look of it. Galley seems like a nice snug fit for bluewater cruising, lots of things to hold onto... I could see #4 repurposed as a workshop, and maybe #6 as food/spares storage... It's certainly an interesting take.
I thought "This is the boat!" in the beginning, but now think otherwise. Very compartmentalized and a galley for only one! I love the work you guys are doing here. Really forces me to examine what I am looking for in a boat myself.
Exciting, I am on doing this too I did it in 1980 around the world solo at 20, from Belgium and for 8 years, I am going again soon, you picked up a nice one.
I really like this boat. Center cockpit with a pilot house. That's a 👍👍 in my book. I could overlook the small cabins as long as it had some new upholstery... LOL.
I liked the look of that one, but maybe i just like all the nice old wood work. I find lots of new boats feel so plastic to me. Cant wait to see tomorrows find! Cheerz!
The scenery is so beautiful and stunning.Very enjoyable! Reminds me of my trips where I take the good music like the Guns N Roses, Imagine Draongs or the Delta Parole and then enjoy the powerful feeling of the sea. ¡vamos!
Yep, that is THE boat. It is perfect. The center cockpit is convenient for small children. Bow thrusters help for single handed docking. Big windows and internal helm good for being underway and safely keeping an eye on little ones.
Terrific vessel, for the right family. Malin’s comments on the effective use of space for your family are well taken. I live on a small sailboat (Bayfield 32) and appreciate the value of space. Especially when entertaining. It’s so constraining to not be able to get up and comfortably move around when having a few people on board. I’m not sure if the cored hull is a valid concern but I’d be more comfortable with a solid hull. Good tour. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Love the Forgus 52! I can see a lot of use for the extra cabins, that would be wasted by just expanding other spaces, which are clearly big enough. thanks for the walkthrough! I've not met this manufacturer before. (I'm new to boats.)
I love it! I'd probably turn at least one of the bunks into an office space, but what a great boat, where you can have a little bit of division between the social spaces. Kids can all have their own space and grandparents can come and stay too.
Thank you for sharing your search! I am learning a lot about how to be a thoughtful buyer and what items to check out from watching you. The boat is beautiful but I understand why it wouldn't be for you (or me either as I don't like the feeling of being "closed in"). As an adjunct thought - I am also enjoying the glimpses of Sweden and hearing both of you pronounce the names of the places you are driving through! And finally - NICE car, very "scrappy" and probably very nimble as well! Thank you again for sharing!
Yes, for a bunch of separate individuals that boat looks like it would work. Or small people who are couples. It looks like it was cut out to be for long passages but folks get off when they get there. ? It's set up for seating, not space. I love that keel.
Johan, I honestly believe that Malin and you could build your own boat. You know allot about them. I liked the one on this video, and was thinking when you said there were too many cabins, that you could use them for extra storage, but that galley, although nicely designed, was built for someone the size of a monkey. That would be the only thing that would make me walk away.
I have a 50 footer and in all honesty I'd recommend you guys go smaller. It's just too much boat in anything other than nice weather and open room. If you do go that big a bow thruster is mandatory...
This boat seems to be well maintained. I like the layout. Safe galley... Perhaps not a bad choice but you know best. Enjoy the ride. All the best to the 3 of you. 😊
A person loves a particular boat for its esthetic qualities. We generally hate a boat for the lack of practical qualities. Having been through this boat sizing problem from small to big to small again, I’ve come up with a basic rule. Spend 10% of the time looking at the general layout, quality of materials etc, and the rest on the mechanical and practical things, Err on the side of “next size larger “ rather than “next size smaller” up to the point where 2 grown adults are required on Emergency handling. I’ve gone from a 50 (2handed) to a 38 (1 handed). I really miss the big shower head and a good freezer.
Y’all would have to get busy to fill those cabins with kids! Ha ha! I agree that maybe a more open interior would be more desirable. Kids would love that boat, though. Thanks for the tour. Excited about Ran II!
3-4 cabins, yeah, you'll have one to grow on... six! I don't think so for all the reasons you've given. A very nice vessel and I like it, but keep looking. I know what will happen, with you two it will be love at first sight and you'll both know when you find The One. Smile.
Really a nice bluewater cruiser, solid keel and rudder, and i love the possibillity to sit inside on wet or stormy days on passages. A lot potential in a boat like this, and cabins can be used as utility rooms for Washer/dryer, and more. Only drawback i see is it seem a little bit "dark" inside, if compared to more modern cruisers, but looks to be safe and sturdy boat.
You haven't asked for opinions, but still, here's mine. of the two shown so far this is the best for a family. pluses and minuses as you have pointed out. looking forward to more. As a side, a youngster like you are about to have would love hiding from mom and dad in this boat. LOL! Regards, Solomon
Malin looking radiant & beautiful as usual! Even after her recent visit to the hospital and pretty terrifying medical scare. I just love your channel you guys! I would love to learn how to sail someday and I like that you guys give what I would consider to be a more authentic look at selling. You show the realities of it. Not just the smiling, happy, perfect (pretend) or YT side of sailing. Anyway, really excited to see the two of you become three. What an incredible life this tiny human is going to have with the two of you guiding its way through life. Thank you for sharing🙏🌎💜🌏🌴🌍🌈😁
Interesting and those extra cabins could be used for storage but it is a maze and as you seem to say not a lot of room to move about. Looking forward to the next boat tour.
As cozy as this boat is, it looks like it was built to house all the relatives and grandchildren on vacation. It’s a tight mouse maze! Losing some of the small cabin walls would make the boat comfortably spacious!
Yes that's a big bonus having a steering station inside that dog house, looks like a fun but solid ocean cruiser, a bit pricey, lets hope if you choose it, you come in at a much lower price. Boats are boats, and one should never get hung up on a boat before buying it, or else one does end up paying the price. There are so many boats looking for owners, more than there are owners looking for boats, so the market is definitely in your favour.
My Volvo Penta 2003 is older than that and running very well. A quality diesel engine, well maintain, can run for a very long time. An oil analysts can say a lot about the health of the engine.
@@voilierbagatelle6592 Most JD Marines get over 10k hours on the factory top end. There are several blogs with people running their John Deeres over 20k hours with nothing but oil changes. Quality diesels are basically indestructible. The turbos have way more problems than the blocks and top ends though. Lot more moving parts.
Beautiful boat guys. Those extra cabins just offer you more flexibility for a growing family and guests that may come on board from time to time. In any case, I hope you folks get a boat soon that suits you.....I love sailing with you. God bless.
Two hulls is twice the marina / port / entrance fee, two engines is twice the mechanical /electrical maintenance. Most catamarans have crazy exposed rudders which will wreck the hull upon collision with something nasty floating in the water. Catamarans sure are trendy but all their comforts wouldn't make me switch from a monohull, not that I could afford to anyway.
Big roomy boat for you both and your first 1st mate! Don't worry about filling those extra cabins with crew and guests because you're never going to have too much room. Pick the cabins that make the best locations for visitors and convert the others to storage, pantries or workshop? At least temporarily ...
Fergus isn’t really known in uk I didn’t like there was no way to escape from small cabins, looks good for northern hemisphere you’d be baking in the tropics
The cockpit is small because oceangoing sailing craft have been designed to take on and drain overboard wave that have filled that cockpit yet do not threaten the boat with sinking. Currently, there aren't many pleasure boats expressly designed for survival conditions at sea because technology helps us avoid bad weather where possible. Charter could explain the large number of cabins, but the interior was too dark. Although one must go down into a monohull, one must seek a bright interior to avoid depression. Boats today are designed with numerous hatches and windows to brighten the below decks atmosphere. For the long term, I'd be looking for boats in the 47-50 foot class. These two boats were of extraordinary quality.
So lovely to watch your boat hunting process, especially when you video tour boats in person that I've been checking from afar through pictures... Maybe some older 45-55' HRs next? You have such good taste. I appreciate the well-informed perspectives that you both bring, it is very thoughtful and useful content you are creating now, even though you aren't sailing! Best of luck.
Would this boat have suited your needs now? It seemed nice and would have fixed up nicely. One of the 6 bedrooms could have made a decent workshop. It seemed a bit cramped and dark down below though.
1967 I was 6 years old, my pa and I traveled 700 km to pick up this station wagon car for the family, it was a 1959 skoda, pa drove it back home and I was the shotgun rider,I never forget that trip.
I don’t sail I’m just a fisherman I own fishing boats so I have no expertise in sail boats with that said have you ever looked at a catamaran from what I have seen they offer more room.. love your channel good luck on finding a new boat 👍
what a nice boat! it must have been really expensive when new - with all that complex joinery. Lots of great storage and room for crew. Great passage maker I'm sure.
Boom furling or mast furling mainsail? You want boom furling for safety (if the furler jams, you can drop the haulyard to drop the sail, not so with a mast furler) and performance (can have full length batten to shape the sail).
I don’t like to keep harping on it but. You two remind me the many tv shows we have in America. They relate to couples looking for homes. Fixer uppers you might say. They want everything to be just the way they want. All eventually realize they aren’t going to find that. So now begins the process of who is going to give on what. So now they start looking at the bones of the house realizing no matter what happens they are going to have to make some changes. For instance one of you wants a fast sailer but the other wants some that will handle weather. Considering your family situation you throw out the idea of fast. This boat for your situation in your life now would be almost perfect. It will give you a great ride with some adjustments you can have the space you want she has the beam. To me it almost comes down to what you really want I’m not sure it’s a boat with the new baby just around the corner. It’s like a couple buying the first house you more than likely will not be living in that house after you have a family. So it comes down to are you looking for a couples boat or a family home a family home is a big wide boat that won’t go fast but will take care of the family.
I wondered what you thought of those settee cushions? Hideous was a good word. Buttoned cushions are just good places to collect junk. With a little one you will have lots of food crumbs to deal with.
This is going to be fun, so far, I have enjoyed both boats. I like the deck salon boats with steering. You might want this boat after you have three or four kids. ;-)
The Najad 391 is too small for a family for a big ride. Since the Forgus 52 already asks far more space. The Deerfoot 68 from the last video, I think far better. It has more storage space. Your next yacht should already be ice-capable like Ran. If it was a Swedish yacht, it should be a Hallberg Rassy. The Hallberg Rassy is my favorite among the Swedish yacht manufacturers.
We bougth our first boat from Olssons at Henån back in the 1960. It was a small "Eka" with square sails. In that way I can out of experience recommend a boat from that area! Good luck!
Probably the tightness of space below deck is not ideal for filming in regards to lens distortion, though seems to me that visually distinctive spaces could be a filming plus. Regarding cruising experience, I understand why most in the comments feel the many cabins inducive to claustrophobia, but keep in mind that small rooms are easier to heat, so what climate one is planning to do most of one's sailing is an important consideration. And of course for the big swells of ocean sailing tight below deck space is safer. I've only just discovered this very likable couple's channel, anyone know what part of the globe they have in mind cruising? Kinda hoping they do the Baltic, North and Norwegian Seas' coasts. Warmer seas at this point have kinda been over-covered.
Nice size boat, but still cramped due to number of cabins. Also, steering cable and pulleys and other mechanical stuff seems to be hidden under things. An Amel, perhaps super maramu, if you can find at a good price will be very good. Protected helm, dedicated engine room, good steering rack etc.
I assume you mean in mast furling. Personally, well I agree that with two people on a boat that size, mainsail furling is great; however, I would prefer in boom furling. What happens if the wind pipes up and your only able to get the main partially furled? You can not drop the sail, you can ease the sheet and let the sail beat its self to death but that’s not a good option. If an in boom system fails, of course you can always drop the sail. Also with an in boom system you can have a properly battened main sail. I live by anything that can fail, eventually will.
Love the boat! One cabin could be converted to a workshop. Some of the top bunks could be made storage. If it can be sail singlehanded, you might want to think about it. Regards, Dave
My one experience with a mast furling main was that it was very hard to get good sail shape. Might have just been that boat, or the cut of the sail, but I hear boom furling mains are more ok.
I have heard that boom furling is unreliable. I don't know if that's true or not, but there aren't very many boats out there that have it and I don't see it offered on new sailboats.
@@operator0 I'd say in mast furling cause more problems than in boom. Sh*t hits the fan, drop the halyard and you're good. Can't do that with in mast.Plus you'll have better shape with in boom.
The whole pilothouse idea is pretty awesome in colder climes and storms..But guess what ? The Sun's rays are harsh and the Earth not as protected and it used to be and easy to burn to a crisp in direct prolonged exposure. It's harsh now..
Contrary to some comments bellow, I see a lot of plus in that boat. Aft cabin with a little room for baby. A nice roomy and bright pilot house with a fantastic view for when you will sail in higher latitudes. Like Johan said, when at sea, you will appreciate the not so roomy layout below to give you something to grab. One of the middle cabin can be modify to accommodate a washing machine. The other will be perfect for storing lot of big and heavy stuff. You can leave the front cabin for an eventual crew member or more stuff (not too much and heavy in front). Furling main sail and a pair of electric winches are another plus for a light crew. Bow thruster for a boat that size is a must. Lot of space on the deck. Center cockpit. Big davit and support for solar panels. GLUED teak deck (no screw) ! Lot of space in the engine room. If the engine have been well maintained, you know the quality of Volvo Penta engines ;-). A nice four folding blades propeller. Rudder on a skeg.
Of course, there is a lot of details you did not show us. Are there some minus we did not see ? How are the sails and the rigging ? The asked price seem reasonable and leave some room for negociation.
Well, let see the other boats for a comparison...
Too expensive, and my opinion is the same as the lady.
Looks like a nice comfortable boat for a family with kids... 150hp is a Huge diesel. Much bigger with more weight and fuel consumption than necessary. I wonder why the original owner went with one that big - did he see it as a motor-sailor? A boat that size could easily get along nicely with one 60-85hp. Not a fan of a cored hull or decks though, especially under water unless its foam. They all develop leaks eventually... better a core that does not absorb water, rot and stays strong.
Hard to find anything without Balsa core at that price range.
With the right budget, I’d go looking for a Nauticat 515. Our custom Bruce Roberts is basically a steel copy of the Nauticat 43. Having now lived aboard our pilothouse sailboat for nearly 3 years, I couldn’t go to a boat that i a) couldn’t command from an inside helm, and b) where I couldn’t sit in my raised salon and see all around the boat at all times. Several times we’ve seen vessels dragging down on us at anchor, can keep a proper lookout on passage while dry and warm etc, whereas the submarine salons on most boats - we wouldn’t have a clue what’s going on around us! Things I’m sure you’ve already considered
Isn't Nauticat a motor sailboat? And not a sailboat?
Mike Santis not at all. The older nauticat designs, i believe it was a 35’ & 42’ designs were considered motor/sailors, but later models were redesigned for modern sailing performance, such as the 43’ and 515. Google/youtube them, they’re unbelievable vessels!!
A awesome boat!! Covert V-berth to work shop. Covert one of the cabins to a pantry. Replace the 27 year old engine. New head plumbing. What a wonderful canvas to make into a perfect boat. The inside helm station is amazing. The only down side I see is the 7' 10" draft. Thanks for another great vid.
I really like this Forgus 52 but two things prevent a sale for me....the almost 8 ft. draft and the balsa core. It does have an almost ideal length of 52 ft. and its displacement of almost 52,000 lb. means it should be sea kindly. Like Malin, I feel a bit closed in and I wouldn't need 5 cabins. I'd turn 2 cabins into 1 large one and 2 others into a work shop/spare parts room. I really like the inside helm station. I'm hoping you two find the right sailboat for your needs and one you both fall in love with!!
If I was going to put down 200k on a boat, I would do my best to hire Johan to inspect it for me. The money for his time, transportation, etc would more than make up for a costly miss when buying a boat. It's something you may want to do as a part time gig Johan, I am sure there are lots of people that would pay good money for someone with your level of knowledge and expertise when it comes to boats and sailing. Always impressed by your keen eye and savvy.
"This is quite hideous actually". Haha, you took the words out of my mouth! And that was before I saw the baby blue lower down!
Yeah, too cut up, the original owner must have been a sailing orphanage. Too bad because otherwise there is a lot to like. The raised salon is nice, and the woodwork is beautiful, and I like the cockpit and helm. Looking forward to tomorrow's tour!
The original owner was probably taking groups of 6-8 people on ocean sailing training courses at €1500 per person for a week. Top quality upholstery replacement €5000.
lol they where a sailing orphanage
Deck saloon with inside steering station is a major plus in my book, but I have the feeling cramming 6 cabins in a 52ft was a bit too much. Ends up with tight spaces and a bit claustrophobic by the look of it. Galley seems like a nice snug fit for bluewater cruising, lots of things to hold onto... I could see #4 repurposed as a workshop, and maybe #6 as food/spares storage... It's certainly an interesting take.
I thought "This is the boat!" in the beginning, but now think otherwise. Very compartmentalized and a galley for only one! I love the work you guys are doing here. Really forces me to examine what I am looking for in a boat myself.
Two Ran Sailing videos in 1 weekend. What a treat! Looking forward to tomorrow's episode.
Exciting, I am on doing this too I did it in 1980 around the world solo at 20, from Belgium and for 8 years, I am going again soon, you picked up a nice one.
That’s awesome, fair winds!
The Forgus 52 is in my book one of the most perfect and sturdy long distance cruisers in that size range.
It's like a masterclass "how to buy a sailing yacht". Great episode as always!
it totally is
Or how not to 🙂
Malin describes a cat at 17:04. You guys aren’t even sailing and still my favorite sailing channel. ,,,,,,,,,,/),,,,,,,,,fair winds you three.
I really like this boat. Center cockpit with a pilot house. That's a 👍👍 in my book. I could overlook the small cabins as long as it had some new upholstery... LOL.
I liked the look of that one, but maybe i just like all the nice old wood work. I find lots of new boats feel so plastic to me. Cant wait to see tomorrows find!
Cheerz!
Great tour, especially with your details on the specs, as well as the ability to live on and access repair. Thanx.
The scenery is so beautiful and stunning.Very enjoyable! Reminds me of my trips where I take the good music like the Guns N Roses, Imagine Draongs or the Delta Parole and then enjoy the powerful feeling of the sea. ¡vamos!
I really like it that you're not switching to a Catamaran!
Completely agree.
Wow that boat is a maze!
Yep, that is THE boat. It is perfect. The center cockpit is convenient for small children. Bow thrusters help for single handed docking. Big windows and internal helm good for being underway and safely keeping an eye on little ones.
as a former tayana 37 cruiser, i suggest a cruising cat! also, just $700 for the vw? good negotiators!
Terrific vessel, for the right family. Malin’s comments on the effective use of space for your family are well taken. I live on a small sailboat (Bayfield 32) and appreciate the value of space. Especially when entertaining. It’s so constraining to not be able to get up and comfortably move around when having a few people on board. I’m not sure if the cored hull is a valid concern but I’d be more comfortable with a solid hull.
Good tour. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Awesome Galley. Best I have seen on a reasonably sized boat.
Love the Forgus 52! I can see a lot of use for the extra cabins, that would be wasted by just expanding other spaces, which are clearly big enough. thanks for the walkthrough! I've not met this manufacturer before. (I'm new to boats.)
I love it! I'd probably turn at least one of the bunks into an office space, but what a great boat, where you can have a little bit of division between the social spaces. Kids can all have their own space and grandparents can come and stay too.
Wow! how awesome, you guys are doing it right!
Seats covers wonderful for a small child making a lot of mess, easy to clean.
Thank you for sharing your search! I am learning a lot about how to be a thoughtful buyer and what items to check out from watching you. The boat is beautiful but I understand why it wouldn't be for you (or me either as I don't like the feeling of being "closed in"). As an adjunct thought - I am also enjoying the glimpses of Sweden and hearing both of you pronounce the names of the places you are driving through! And finally - NICE car, very "scrappy" and probably very nimble as well! Thank you again for sharing!
Yes, for a bunch of separate individuals that boat looks like it would work. Or small people who are couples. It looks like it was cut out to be for long passages but folks get off when they get there. ? It's set up for seating, not space. I love that keel.
Johan, I honestly believe that Malin and you could build your own boat. You know allot about them. I liked the one on this video, and was thinking when you said there were too many cabins, that you could use them for extra storage, but that galley, although nicely designed, was built for someone the size of a monkey. That would be the only thing that would make me walk away.
I have a 50 footer and in all honesty I'd recommend you guys go smaller. It's just too much boat in anything other than nice weather and open room. If you do go that big a bow thruster is mandatory...
It's got one - right at the start you see it.
I love boat shopping with you guys!
This boat seems to be well maintained. I like the layout. Safe galley... Perhaps not a bad choice but you know best. Enjoy the ride. All the best to the 3 of you. 😊
Nice boat bit as you say lots crammed in there. Not seen a Forbes before so thanks for sharing. Look forward to next boat tour. Andy 🇬🇧
very nice boat, nice and good looking. thanks for sharing. have a nice weekend
"Här har vi då.. .another cabin"... Thats swinglish for you! :)
A person loves a particular boat for its esthetic qualities. We generally hate a boat for the lack of practical qualities. Having been through this boat sizing problem from small to big to small again, I’ve come up with a basic rule. Spend 10% of the time looking at the general layout, quality of materials etc, and the rest on the mechanical and practical things, Err on the side of “next size larger
“ rather than “next size smaller” up to the point where 2 grown adults are required on Emergency handling. I’ve gone from a 50 (2handed) to a 38 (1 handed). I really miss the big shower head and a good freezer.
Good to see you guys, hope all is well.....peace and love......
Nice couple with a dream in his head ..... and many plans in his brains. Nice !
Y’all would have to get busy to fill those cabins with kids! Ha ha! I agree that maybe a more open interior would be more desirable. Kids would love that boat, though. Thanks for the tour. Excited about Ran II!
3-4 cabins, yeah, you'll have one to grow on... six! I don't think so for all the reasons you've given. A very nice vessel and I like it, but keep looking. I know what will happen, with you two it will be love at first sight and you'll both know when you find The One. Smile.
Really a nice bluewater cruiser, solid keel and rudder, and i love the possibillity to sit inside on wet or stormy days on passages. A lot potential in a boat like this, and cabins can be used as utility rooms for Washer/dryer, and more. Only drawback i see is it seem a little bit "dark" inside, if compared to more modern cruisers, but looks to be safe and sturdy boat.
😳 WOW!
😳52 ft and 6 cabins.
😳 Are you going to set up a Nursery (creche) sailboat? Let’s go 👏🏼😃
Let's be rooting for the Big Family of RAN 👏🏼😃
You haven't asked for opinions, but still, here's mine. of the two shown so far this is the best for a family. pluses and minuses as you have pointed out. looking forward to more. As a side, a youngster like you are about to have would love hiding from mom and dad in this boat. LOL! Regards, Solomon
Malin looking radiant & beautiful as usual! Even after her recent visit to the hospital and pretty terrifying medical scare. I just love your channel you guys! I would love to learn how to sail someday and I like that you guys give what I would consider to be a more authentic look at selling. You show the realities of it. Not just the smiling, happy, perfect (pretend) or YT side of sailing. Anyway, really excited to see the two of you become three. What an incredible life this tiny human is going to have with the two of you guiding its way through life.
Thank you for sharing🙏🌎💜🌏🌴🌍🌈😁
Nice video. And nice boat.
Happy for your pregnancy, probably a little girl then😊👍.
God bless❤
Interesting and those extra cabins could be used for storage but it is a maze and as you seem to say not a lot of room to move about. Looking forward to the next boat tour.
A cabin or two can be converted to storage...a place to put a second freezer and a clothes washer?
Johan needs also a working room with all his tools
Open concept on a boat is a dumb idea. The most storage areas the better.
I like the way you both think about functionality, space and privacy. Looking forward to your next boat review. The Mossback Sailor👍👍
As cozy as this boat is, it looks like it was built to house all the relatives and grandchildren on vacation. It’s a tight mouse maze! Losing some of the small cabin walls would make the boat comfortably spacious!
Yes that's a big bonus having a steering station inside that dog house, looks like a fun but solid ocean cruiser, a bit pricey, lets hope if you choose it, you come in at a much lower price. Boats are boats, and one should never get hung up on a boat before buying it, or else one does end up paying the price. There are so many boats looking for owners, more than there are owners looking for boats, so the market is definitely in your favour.
Renovated engine can mean everything, from just some paint to carefully renovated. Soon it will be 30 years old whatever they say about the status.
My Volvo Penta 2003 is older than that and running very well. A quality diesel engine, well maintain, can run for a very long time. An oil analysts can say a lot about the health of the engine.
@@voilierbagatelle6592 Most JD Marines get over 10k hours on the factory top end. There are several blogs with people running their John Deeres over 20k hours with nothing but oil changes. Quality diesels are basically indestructible. The turbos have way more problems than the blocks and top ends though. Lot more moving parts.
There is a Puffin 50 for sale in the Netherlands. Might be above budget but i think she s beautifull. Goodluck and enjoy the hunt
Deeply obsessed by this beauty!
Impressive. Great craftmanship on this one.
Beautiful boat guys. Those extra cabins just offer you more flexibility for a growing family and guests that may come on board from time to time. In any case, I hope you folks get a boat soon that suits you.....I love sailing with you. God bless.
Look at Catamarans! Stable, Roomy, Safe, 2 Engines and space space space and yes they can be bought for 190 grand! 38 to 40 foot range.
Two hulls is twice the marina / port / entrance fee, two engines is twice the mechanical /electrical maintenance. Most catamarans have crazy exposed rudders which will wreck the hull upon collision with something nasty floating in the water. Catamarans sure are trendy but all their comforts wouldn't make me switch from a monohull, not that I could afford to anyway.
@@ChessmasterHex 90% of the time cruisers are at anchor! Twice everything is called back up!
Big roomy boat for you both and your first 1st mate! Don't worry about filling those extra cabins with crew and guests because you're never going to have too much room. Pick the cabins that make the best locations for visitors and convert the others to storage, pantries or workshop? At least temporarily ...
Fergus isn’t really known in uk I didn’t like there was no way to escape from small cabins, looks good for northern hemisphere you’d be baking in the tropics
Thank you for a very informative tour.
The cockpit is small because oceangoing sailing craft have been designed to take on and drain overboard wave that have filled that cockpit yet do not threaten the boat with sinking. Currently, there aren't many pleasure boats expressly designed for survival conditions at sea because technology helps us avoid bad weather where possible. Charter could explain the large number of cabins, but the interior was too dark. Although one must go down into a monohull, one must seek a bright interior to avoid depression. Boats today are designed with numerous hatches and windows to brighten the below decks atmosphere. For the long term, I'd be looking for boats in the 47-50 foot class. These two boats were of extraordinary quality.
So lovely to watch your boat hunting process, especially when you video tour boats in person that I've been checking from afar through pictures... Maybe some older 45-55' HRs next? You have such good taste. I appreciate the well-informed perspectives that you both bring, it is very thoughtful and useful content you are creating now, even though you aren't sailing! Best of luck.
Thanks, I saw that Forgus on blocket and was wondering about the interior and then you do this great review.
nice boat keep looking
I like these boat hunting videos (too) :)
Would this boat have suited your needs now? It seemed nice and would have fixed up nicely. One of the 6 bedrooms could have made a decent workshop. It seemed a bit cramped and dark down below though.
1967 I was 6 years old, my pa and I traveled 700 km to pick up this station wagon car for the family, it was a 1959 skoda, pa drove it back home and I was the shotgun rider,I never forget that trip.
Great looking boat. The larger deck is very nice. Just don’t get your toe under one of those hatch lids!
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I don’t sail I’m just a fisherman I own fishing boats so I have no expertise in sail boats with that said have you ever looked at a catamaran from what I have seen they offer more room.. love your channel good luck on finding a new boat 👍
There's enough mahogany inside that boat to build a rain forest!
what a nice boat! it must have been really expensive when new - with all that complex joinery. Lots of great storage and room for crew. Great passage maker I'm sure.
The fact it is a snug boat, came over well on screen. Waiting till tomorrow. 🤞.😉
A cabin for each day of the week! 😄
I think something with a center cockpit and pilothouse would suit you well. At least I would look for that.
Nice for Charter............
These are great segments! Keep it up!
This pedagree is great boat ,well built and planed .
Boom furling or mast furling mainsail? You want boom furling for safety (if the furler jams, you can drop the haulyard to drop the sail, not so with a mast furler) and performance (can have full length batten to shape the sail).
Palm trees in Sweden? Very nice touch!🍷🍷😎
Congrats on the pup. Best wishes while on the hunt.
I don’t like to keep harping on it but. You two remind me the many tv shows we have in America. They relate to couples looking for homes. Fixer uppers you might say. They want everything to be just the way they want. All eventually realize they aren’t going to find that. So now begins the process of who is going to give on what. So now they start looking at the bones of the house realizing no matter what happens they are going to have to make some changes. For instance one of you wants a fast sailer but the other wants some that will handle weather. Considering your family situation you throw out the idea of fast. This boat for your situation in your life now would be almost perfect. It will give you a great ride with some adjustments you can have the space you want she has the beam. To me it almost comes down to what you really want I’m not sure it’s a boat with the new baby just around the corner. It’s like a couple buying the first house you more than likely will not be living in that house after you have a family. So it comes down to are you looking for a couples boat or a family home a family home is a big wide boat that won’t go fast but will take care of the family.
I love looking round boats
I wondered what you thought of those settee cushions? Hideous was a good word. Buttoned cushions are just good places to collect junk. With a little one you will have lots of food crumbs to deal with.
Kids would love this place...
This is going to be fun, so far, I have enjoyed both boats. I like the deck salon boats with steering. You might want this boat after you have three or four kids. ;-)
The Najad 391 is too small for a family for a big ride. Since the Forgus 52 already asks far more space. The Deerfoot 68 from the last video, I think far better. It has more storage space. Your next yacht should already be ice-capable like Ran.
If it was a Swedish yacht, it should be a Hallberg Rassy. The Hallberg Rassy is my favorite among the Swedish yacht manufacturers.
I took interest in his boat also, guys. She's certainly a solid piece of kit. Glad you reviewed her for me! Great work!
the perfect boat is one that can accommodate 8 for cocktails, 4 for dinner, sleeps 2
We bougth our first boat from Olssons at Henån back in the 1960. It was a small "Eka" with square sails.
In that way I can out of experience recommend a boat from that area!
Good luck!
Probably the tightness of space below deck is not ideal for filming in regards to lens distortion, though seems to me that visually distinctive spaces could be a filming plus. Regarding cruising experience, I understand why most in the comments feel the many cabins inducive to claustrophobia, but keep in mind that small rooms are easier to heat, so what climate one is planning to do most of one's sailing is an important consideration. And of course for the big swells of ocean sailing tight below deck space is safer.
I've only just discovered this very likable couple's channel, anyone know what part of the globe they have in mind cruising? Kinda hoping they do the Baltic, North and Norwegian Seas' coasts. Warmer seas at this point have kinda been over-covered.
Nice size boat, but still cramped due to number of cabins. Also, steering cable and pulleys and other mechanical stuff seems to be hidden under things. An Amel, perhaps super maramu, if you can find at a good price will be very good. Protected helm, dedicated engine room, good steering rack etc.
LOVE pilot house boats!
My advise is Westerly 42 or Amel Super Maramu. But i think you are looking for only northern builders.
I assume you mean in mast furling. Personally, well I agree that with two people on a boat that size, mainsail furling is great; however, I would prefer in boom furling. What happens if the wind pipes up and your only able to get the main partially furled? You can not drop the sail, you can ease the sheet and let the sail beat its self to death but that’s not a good option. If an in boom system fails, of course you can always drop the sail. Also with an in boom system you can have a properly battened main sail. I live by anything that can fail, eventually will.
Love the boat! One cabin could be converted to a workshop. Some of the top bunks could be made storage. If it can be sail singlehanded, you might want to think about it. Regards, Dave
My one experience with a mast furling main was that it was very hard to get good sail shape. Might have just been that boat, or the cut of the sail, but I hear boom furling mains are more ok.
I have heard that boom furling is unreliable. I don't know if that's true or not, but there aren't very many boats out there that have it and I don't see it offered on new sailboats.
@@operator0 I'd say in mast furling cause more problems than in boom. Sh*t hits the fan, drop the halyard and you're good. Can't do that with in mast.Plus you'll have better shape with in boom.
That boat looks sooo cool
The whole pilothouse idea is pretty awesome in colder climes and storms..But guess what ? The Sun's rays are harsh and the Earth not as protected and it used to be and easy to burn to a crisp in direct prolonged exposure. It's harsh now..
Except for the deck saloon it looks a very claustrophobic boat