I was told non-stop for the past 2 years that Multistreaming was how you grow, and what I've learned is not only did it not help me grow, it actively made community building harder, and once again the truth is to actually grow you just need to make discoverable videos or tiktoks, that's it. As always, and as I say at the end of the video, try it for yourself, I hope it helps, but I'll likely never multistream again.
For the chat not being able to see each other across YT and Twitch, the Truffle chat tool has been wonderful. Still need viewers to download the extension (or download the mobile app) themselves, but they can see/chat cross-platform in their own chat view rather than using the stream overlay 👍
I’ve definitely gotten more positive than negative out of multistreaming, several dedicated viewers moved to twitch that i would have never met otherwise, and my vods being in my live section forever is very helpful. I don’t get many live viewers on YT compared to my 35 or so ccv on twitch, but just the vods being there make up for it. Do wish i had the hardware to handle streaming different qualities, though.
I multistreamed for a year, and now streamed on just Twitch for two years. I can confirm that everything you say here is true. Without question, streaming to one place is better than multistreaming. Multistreaming is good when starting out, but that is about it...
@@nandorscozycorner you can also accomplish this by building other platforms and continue to stream on one main platform. If you don’t have your chats, alerts and timing sinked while multi streaming a lot of passerbys will feel neglected and you may waste your time. Everyone has different success stories so it’s hard to navigate. I will say most successful streamers are involved strongly in other platforms beyond going live.
@@nandorscozycorner like I said. Everyone’s got a different road to success. If it works for you that’s awesome. I use TikTok and UA-cam. My buddy Shocktor has tried it all and when he put his focus back on one platform he finds success. 🤷
now that I have a full time job I stream just for my fun and watching the videos in future as fun memories. This helps me with the no viewers curse and I still have fun streaming
Restream has built-in multi chat now. Both chats can read each other's without the need of being on screen. Just turn the setting on inside your obs under the cog wheel in restream chat. Love your channel brother.
I have found that multi streaming to UA-cam and TikTok has been beneficial as long as you’re transparent that UA-cam is your main stream you can get new viewers over from TikTok to UA-cam. Great video as always!
I am just now starting the streaming adventure, and I think my specific content is designed around Twitch live streaming with UA-cam as a basis for edited content and viewship growth on the Twitch channel. The main issue is finding out how my viewers would want to consume tournament footage that can run 2-4hours in length into a UA-cam digestable format. Oh the joys of modern day attempted broadcasting 🙃
Been seeing this in real-time as a bunch of people I watch who are all trying multi-streaming and tbh. It's just not as good. Chat is split. Not as connective. The only advantage it has is that if the viewer amount isn't too big. It makes it more viable to participate but if you enjoy trying to talk to the streamer...their attention is now split and probably lessened. I say, despite EVERYTHING just stick to one platform. Either UA-cam or Twitch. And tbh if you multistream....most will default to twitch. Especially since the UI and functionality is way more pleasing and easy on Twitch. Streaming on UA-cam you are competing not with just other streamers....but literally EVERY single video in someone's sub box, home screen or suggestions. Hell, even Shorts.
In my experience multi streaming to UA-cam and Twitch has been great. My viewers/subscribers on UA-cam here now have a chance to watch my streams easily right here. They get involved in games and sometimes come over to Twitch to join the main chat. Vods being saved forever is great, and I'm slowly working my watch time hours up so I can monetize on here as well. Love your channel and videos man! I think multi streaming works for some, and others not so much. Cheers.
@ It You just have a bias against UA-cam since most of the points in your multistreaming video don’t actually apply to multistreaming. Just YT. IMO it doesn’t “suck” that UA-cam follows the law, especially after how bad things turned out for Twitch after waiting 9 months to respond to the DMCA scandal. IMP it’s not healthy to promote genuinely illegal activities, especially with the amount of workarounds that exist such as gaming music and stuff like Stresmbeats / Schlatt and Ludwig Emporium), but you do you.
You misunderstand, I don't think UA-cam sucks, I love UA-cam. I dislike or think that it sucks that people don't like UA-cam because they are following proper rules. Multistreamers and Twitch streamers split their VoD and think they can get away with copyright, then come to UA-cam and complain. My point in the video is, be aware of this if you're trying to multistream, and I even say personally I have zero issues because I don't use illegal material
Gotta hard disagree on this actually. I stream to UA-cam Vertical which shows up in the shorts feed and to Twitch at the same time. Ever since I found a good way to combine chats, it actually has felt pretty cohesive and honestly, I want people to switch to watching me on Twitch where I currently can monetize better. The amount of watch hours I've been getting from old vertical vods too is probably going to get me monetized here soon as well. That said, all the issues you bring up in the vid I've either overcame or are still an issue. It definitely isn't easy. Good content as always eljay!
Spoke to UA-cam, and they said they're working on combining UA-cam vertical and youtube horizontal chats for multistreaming to both, and I would try that absolutely, because the community is merged. That said, I don't want to encourage viewers to leave one platform for another, I just want the platform they like to be good for them.
Absolutely would be, as it stands the reps I know at UA-cam and twitch have said multistreaming is fairly useless unless you have offline discoverable content like UA-cam videos or tiktoks, so they’re all working to try improve it which is great
How many people r actually struggling with a hetic chat though? Averaging 2-5 views as an average joe i dont see that being an actuall problem. I also think u can only stream at 6000kb to twitch as a partner they limit further for affiliates unless that was changed. As far as streaming on youtube. I thought i seen less views to my videos but i super niched down, changed topics recently, and are trying to gain traction in another niche section. So idk if its people not clicking or youtube not putting my videos out there. I dont think there is really anyway of truly knowing. My videos outside of my orginal niche only hover around 50-100 views in the first week. After a couple days or two weeks i imagine your videos naturally generate less push into the algorithm. I feel this video is for the mid tier or higher tier streamer that has a established or establishing audience that also has the availability to be able to stream part time rather than a casual hobbyist. I work 60hrs a week, put out shorts way more than a edited video, i stream alot more than both because its easy to maintain a schedule around. Like many many people having a full time job with alot of overtime and wanting to maintain a healthy lifestyle or hobby outside of that. Im naturally set up for failure. Been at it for 3yrs, and still cant seem to have consistent growth. Until i super niched and was finally averaging around 100 people per stream. Although with no financial support, and little to no chat interactions. Thank god for the lurkers though. Some if not most were just there to troll my stream given the type of game it was and the community it fosters, and others were there for the value i brought to the niche. Its a roll of the dice, and alot of free time.
Been using Restream for some time now. Your last vid and this one were a big help in me understanding why my YT VOD quality weren't as good. I thought it was just b/c the stream was at 720/60. I've been seeing gradual growth over time on my main communities that I stream to. My work around to this is that I record my streams natively while streaming. Then I can edit it and take out breaks, long sections of general chat that take away from people there just to watch the gameplay restream, swearing or too risque moments etc. Then I upscale it to get the better encoding on YT. I then direct people who find the OG VOD to the playlist that has all of the upscaled replays for that game. Downside - extra editing work. Upside, its gotten my watch hours above 3000 to apply for YPP. For someone who doesn't have time (or skill lol) to do well edited and made 5 - 10 minute videos every few days, this has gotten me to step 1 of YPP. I have a dedicated site that I point people to for anyone who has missed a previous stream where all of my playlists are of all of my past streams to help with this as well. Next - restream multichat is the main thing that allows me to multicast. Without that I doubt I would do it because of the issues you mentioned. First, I do have chat on my screen so its visible to all viewers. Second,, chatters from each platform can talk to each other because chat shows up in the native chat for YT / Twitch / DLive (Kick only has partial integration with this currently). I also have a specific dock for restream chat on my second monitor so I can keep up with it. I can also scroll back to catch up on chat after an intense gameplay section in that dock. You still bring up some really good points that I will need to start considering as I grow. Right now, a lot of your solid points I either have a work around for, or I'm too small for it to be an issue. So far, twitch's TOS for multichat hasn't been a big deal b/c I'm not eligible for affiliate. However, should I ever become eligible, I'll need to then start thinking about what to do. I did like the point you made about each platform having its own community as well - that makes sense and will be another thing I'll have to consider as I grow. Like my YT is mostly streams and stream replays. But, when I do have a chance to drop a video, it probably won't perform as well b/c my community on YT is mostly there for streams and I'll have to work extra to remind my streaming audience that I dropped an actual video the other day. Lastly, after your last vid about multicasting where I commented that I hadn't had issues with restream dropping in a long time - I must have jinxed myself because I think I had a short drop in each of my last 3 streams O_o - it was short and we were back up super quick - but like you said, that could be the difference of people not coming back thinking I ended the stream. I'll be having a chat with RS about that as it is annoying when it does happen. My experience with multicasting has been a positive one with restream overall, but I realize as well that for a lot of your audience, your points are 1000% valid. And they're valid for me as well because as I grow, I'll need to make some choices that's for sure. Always appreciate your vids and your insight! Cheers!
I've only multistreamed twice (three times if you count my short attempt at streaming last year 🤡). The biggest issue I've seen so far is how far behind the UA-cam stream gets if people are actually there watching. Having said that, the next issue is like you mentioned: one chat getting more attention. There was only 1 active person for the majority on the UA-cam chat, but most of my buds were on the Twitch chat. Unfortunately, I haven't taken the time to have both chats on my stream overlay yet. So I was having to look back and forth on my screen to keep an eye out for people chatting. I was upfront with the UA-cam chat letting them know Twitch would have been a better viewing experience, but they were having issues with the site and didn't mind lacking features. I'm still going to give it a go for now. Im trying to give myself the push to work more on editing Shorts and Longform videos.
9:55 This is really interesting. I am wondering why were the livestreams affecting your other videos so much, were they getting recommended instead of your usual edited videos about streaming? Now I am wondering about my case since I just started streaming: I was planning to multistream on both twitch and youtube (I really wanted youtube cause I have an AV1 compatible graphics card and the quality is extremely good but I have unstable upload speed with youtube only for some reason) with gameplay for single player games, and then shortened versions/highlights as edited videos. In that case I guess the targeted audience overlaps a lot more since the base content is the same. Do you think in this case multistreaming will be ok? Although your experiments make me wonder if it may be better to just let the edited videos on youtube (and maybe make an unlisted playlist/separate channel with high quality full vods instead).
I've been multi streaming since I started up again and didn't even think about this being an issue. I really was doing it to get my vods saved since twitch only saves for 14 days.
Different platforms have different audiences.. vastly different sometimes. And they don’t always understand each other - the multi chat makes it confusing and awkward no matter how well done in my experience!
I have always multi stream UA-cam tiktok vertical then twitch full screen with a notice saying full screen here.. worked well in the past to gain more traffic or I would still be at 3 followers on twitches terrible discovery
Thanks for all of the information. I think I will focus more on the UA-cam side for discovery, but I’m not going to multi stream. I might do it at a later time, if I grow big enough like loadedwombat, kitdy or so many other larger streamers do since it works for them, but I’ll definitely be taking a lot of your advice here.
In my case, I made a conscious decision to stay with one platform. The reason is it allows me to focus on the viewers and engage with them, rather than being distracted by a second restream. Furthermore, I can stream at a higher bit rate at 1440p 30fps without splitting the bandwidth or relying on a third party tool to do so. I did consider restreaming on my return after a long break. This video has convinced me to stick to my approach
One thing I really enjoy about UA-cam streaming is the fact that YT actually has an algorithm for your stream, unlike Twitch…however, being a streamer that reacts/listens to music, YT is very impractical for my content :/
Just started out streaming and went straight to multi-streaming... After thinking about it, Gaining randoms on different platforms and then funneling them to your main focused one seems like an all-rounder benefit. So ill say maybe having 1 platform in mind for long term and the others for a bonus if you get lucky with an extended reach of audience and tell them to also follow your other accounts, see which one has the most attraction/you prefer to use then eventually stick with the strongest one. Anyone agree or am i waffling? loool
They may have pretty similar streaming cultures UA-cam and Twitch but how they manage things is so different from each other UA-cam treat everyone equally no matter what type of content creator you are well twitch doesn’t treated equally
Stream Together is an amazing tool, I made a whole video about it a few videos ago, it's essentially the best collaboration tool currently made for streamers, despite what Streamer Twitter is saying.
I multi stream on tik tok and twitch I have had discoverability a lot better on TikTok then twitch but you’re completely right due to this I have been ignoring twitch more then I intend too due to it being two different chats so I’ve started thinking to just focus on TikTok as it’s where most of my viewership is but Twitch is where I started and I don’t wanna stop twitch either
I am by no means a high viewer streamer or offline creator but my viewer numbers on my shorts really took a hit when I tried multistreaming just last week. It took a week of not multistreaming but my views are back to normal for me.
The biggest win I get with multistreaming is for thos that are on twitch the refuse to use UA-cam and vice versa still get to see the streams, what might work better tho is opening a whole new channel for only livestreams on UA-cam if you are feeling the hit you take with views on your videos and shorts would be my suggestion.
personally never understood the concept of multi-streams. as a creator who spends so much time building an audience and tailoring an experience to work well using one platform, throwing it out the window simply for the chance to get some extra views simply never made sense to me.
It’s about streaming to the correct audience, and making content clickable. Issue is multistreaming is often treating UA-cam like a second thought, but as a streamer it needs to be a focus if you’re using it.
I have been doing vertical livestreaming and that has changed my path to content creator to livestreamer I prefer streaming the standard way however my views and subscribers are soo much less
Thanks for this video. I've been multistreaming to basically every platform simultaneously (Twitch, Kick, TikTok, YT both horizontal & vertical) and have noticed that my UA-cam viewers usually just pop in briefly and leave because so much of my stream is tailored specifically for Twitch. I basically have 3 different communities (YT - Brawlhalla, Twitch - VTuber, TikTok - Music) and I've really just been shooting myself in the foot this whole time pretending like I could realistically combine them all. I needed to hear this lol
While I can see it not being a boon for growth in various ways, some of the points you raised feel really odd to me. YT and Twitch chat are merged in my interface, so nothing is getting ignored, and restream bot ferries messages from one platform to another so all of the viewers can see all of the other viewers' messages ┐(´д｀)┌
Am I the only one who thinks this video was aimed more at criticizing how UA-cam Livestreaming works versus multi-streaming? There are some great points in here about Restream using the lowest quality and each chat missing out on what the other is doing, but I don't see how UA-cam's copyright system or making VODS public really counts as a multi-streaming issue. I get he talked about biases and stuff in the beginning, but still. I think it would be neat to talk about the pros and cons of each in their own videos tho, and potential workarounds. Like making your YT VODS unlisted, but putting them in a public playlist on your channel.
I actually love UA-cam streaming, because I focus PURELY on it. As a video maker it is the best platform to stream on. Making VoDs unlisted defeats the whole benefit and purpose of one of the main benefits of UA-cam streaming. TikTok has the same issues with copyright BUT worse, and I say TikTok as well when talking on the copyright.
In your demonstration you showed tour cam at 6k bitrate and it looked awful 😂😂 what camera were you using? My camera doesn't look like that at 6k bitrate and I'm not using a super overpowered camera either Genuinely just curious because alot of your points on this video I 100% agree with but that part stuck out lol
Eh that’s why I stop 🛑 on and off streaming it’s sad getting 2 views every time on twitch 😔 but I guess it’s all about having fun anyways ? And the last UA-cam video you said sticking to a specific schedule and not missing the times maybe that’s one reason why too? 🎉 Will get there eventually going to try sticking to same times starting this week and November you always give good types to follow by
Ehi there Elj, Charlie/Moistkritical released a video wich lead to the exact opposite conclusion. If you could analyze the video and comment it, It would be really interesting :D
I think the difference is essentially, established creators with established audiences will find multistreaming better. Beginners and smaller creators should always still focus on TikTok and UA-cam offline content. This video explains I personally at my size of 25-100 viewers hated the experience but I am VERY interactive with every person in chat, it’s why I stream and watch twitch, someone of Charlie’s size likely doesn’t have those problems. But I’ll watch it again when I’m on more sleep.
@StreamScheme Hi Elj! What I didn't like about that video is how Charlie advised multistreaming always, both to small and big creators, saying there is no valid reason, in any case, to not multistream. I think it could mislead someone. Thank you so much for the fast answer :D
Heyo! I watched the entire thing, it seems he is only talking about revenue, which is meaningless when as a Small to Medium creator you will not earn anything like him in ad revenue. Very disappointed by the video and how cut/dry it was. Ignores the community aspects, ignores discovery, and doesn't understand the privilege that the examples he shows are nowhere near what anyone else has/will see. I've done hundreds of UA-cam streams, and even with well performing VoDs never earn close to that. I recommend watching Ludwigs Stream from today titled "Lets Talk" he reacts to Charlie at about 59 minutes in, and shows all of his analytics as well, which sort've instantly shows that it isn't as cut/dry as Charlie says. At the end of the day, success in this industry isn't whether you stream more, less, on what platform, it's about making offline discoverable content on UA-cam and TikTok.
@@StreamScheme Yeah! (More or less) Exactly what I thought while watching his video. I'm a bit sad too, Charlie really seem a nice guy. In every case, It's not the first time he approaches a topics in quite the superficial way, focusing more on sharing his idea than saying something based on actual proofs. And I understand someone may just want to share their thoughts, but with a pubblic as vast as the one of Charlie, this absolutism may hurt lotta of creators :/ It's what scares me about "UA-cam Avengers", when many people look to a specific figure for answers, blindly trusting what they say. Anyway, I hope that someone will be able to reach Charlie and warn him. He is on good terms with Ludwig, if I'm not wrong, maybe he will listen to him. Thank you again! This comment has no likes or attention, still here you are, talking with me in a long discussion. Chadest steamer ever 🦾
I was told non-stop for the past 2 years that Multistreaming was how you grow, and what I've learned is not only did it not help me grow, it actively made community building harder, and once again the truth is to actually grow you just need to make discoverable videos or tiktoks, that's it. As always, and as I say at the end of the video, try it for yourself, I hope it helps, but I'll likely never multistream again.
How do people find your twitch through the TikTok’s though do you just put text saying your twitch at the bottom?
For the chat not being able to see each other across YT and Twitch, the Truffle chat tool has been wonderful. Still need viewers to download the extension (or download the mobile app) themselves, but they can see/chat cross-platform in their own chat view rather than using the stream overlay 👍
I’ve definitely gotten more positive than negative out of multistreaming, several dedicated viewers moved to twitch that i would have never met otherwise, and my vods being in my live section forever is very helpful. I don’t get many live viewers on YT compared to my 35 or so ccv on twitch, but just the vods being there make up for it.
Do wish i had the hardware to handle streaming different qualities, though.
I multistreamed for a year, and now streamed on just Twitch for two years. I can confirm that everything you say here is true. Without question, streaming to one place is better than multistreaming. Multistreaming is good when starting out, but that is about it...
You need to stream more Shaq Fu
@@nandorscozycorner you can also accomplish this by building other platforms and continue to stream on one main platform. If you don’t have your chats, alerts and timing sinked while multi streaming a lot of passerbys will feel neglected and you may waste your time. Everyone has different success stories so it’s hard to navigate. I will say most successful streamers are involved strongly in other platforms beyond going live.
@@nandorscozycorner like I said. Everyone’s got a different road to success. If it works for you that’s awesome. I use TikTok and UA-cam. My buddy Shocktor has tried it all and when he put his focus back on one platform he finds success. 🤷
now that I have a full time job I stream just for my fun and watching the videos in future as fun memories. This helps me with the no viewers curse and I still have fun streaming
Restream has built-in multi chat now. Both chats can read each other's without the need of being on screen. Just turn the setting on inside your obs under the cog wheel in restream chat.
Love your channel brother.
I have found that multi streaming to UA-cam and TikTok has been beneficial as long as you’re transparent that UA-cam is your main stream you can get new viewers over from TikTok to UA-cam. Great video as always!
I am just now starting the streaming adventure, and I think my specific content is designed around Twitch live streaming with UA-cam as a basis for edited content and viewship growth on the Twitch channel. The main issue is finding out how my viewers would want to consume tournament footage that can run 2-4hours in length into a UA-cam digestable format. Oh the joys of modern day attempted broadcasting 🙃
Been seeing this in real-time as a bunch of people I watch who are all trying multi-streaming and tbh. It's just not as good. Chat is split. Not as connective. The only advantage it has is that if the viewer amount isn't too big. It makes it more viable to participate but if you enjoy trying to talk to the streamer...their attention is now split and probably lessened.
I say, despite EVERYTHING just stick to one platform. Either UA-cam or Twitch. And tbh if you multistream....most will default to twitch. Especially since the UI and functionality is way more pleasing and easy on Twitch.
Streaming on UA-cam you are competing not with just other streamers....but literally EVERY single video in someone's sub box, home screen or suggestions. Hell, even Shorts.
In my experience multi streaming to UA-cam and Twitch has been great. My viewers/subscribers on UA-cam here now have a chance to watch my streams easily right here. They get involved in games and sometimes come over to Twitch to join the main chat. Vods being saved forever is great, and I'm slowly working my watch time hours up so I can monetize on here as well. Love your channel and videos man! I think multi streaming works for some, and others not so much. Cheers.
I love how half of your points are “Multistreaming is bad because Twitch lets you get away with illegal shit and UA-cam doesn’t”
Yeah it sucks, I adore UA-cam streaming and the platform, but the reality is multistreaming just hurts UA-cam streamers I’ve seen.
@ It You just have a bias against UA-cam since most of the points in your multistreaming video don’t actually apply to multistreaming. Just YT.
IMO it doesn’t “suck” that UA-cam follows the law, especially after how bad things turned out for Twitch after waiting 9 months to respond to the DMCA scandal. IMP it’s not healthy to promote genuinely illegal activities, especially with the amount of workarounds that exist such as gaming music and stuff like Stresmbeats / Schlatt and Ludwig Emporium), but you do you.
You misunderstand, I don't think UA-cam sucks, I love UA-cam.
I dislike or think that it sucks that people don't like UA-cam because they are following proper rules.
Multistreamers and Twitch streamers split their VoD and think they can get away with copyright, then come to UA-cam and complain.
My point in the video is, be aware of this if you're trying to multistream, and I even say personally I have zero issues because I don't use illegal material
Gotta hard disagree on this actually. I stream to UA-cam Vertical which shows up in the shorts feed and to Twitch at the same time. Ever since I found a good way to combine chats, it actually has felt pretty cohesive and honestly, I want people to switch to watching me on Twitch where I currently can monetize better. The amount of watch hours I've been getting from old vertical vods too is probably going to get me monetized here soon as well. That said, all the issues you bring up in the vid I've either overcame or are still an issue. It definitely isn't easy. Good content as always eljay!
Spoke to UA-cam, and they said they're working on combining UA-cam vertical and youtube horizontal chats for multistreaming to both, and I would try that absolutely, because the community is merged.
That said, I don't want to encourage viewers to leave one platform for another, I just want the platform they like to be good for them.
@@StreamScheme Combined Horizontal and Vertical chats would be huge for UA-cam!
Absolutely would be, as it stands the reps I know at UA-cam and twitch have said multistreaming is fairly useless unless you have offline discoverable content like UA-cam videos or tiktoks, so they’re all working to try improve it which is great
How many people r actually struggling with a hetic chat though? Averaging 2-5 views as an average joe i dont see that being an actuall problem. I also think u can only stream at 6000kb to twitch as a partner they limit further for affiliates unless that was changed.
As far as streaming on youtube. I thought i seen less views to my videos but i super niched down, changed topics recently, and are trying to gain traction in another niche section. So idk if its people not clicking or youtube not putting my videos out there. I dont think there is really anyway of truly knowing. My videos outside of my orginal niche only hover around 50-100 views in the first week. After a couple days or two weeks i imagine your videos naturally generate less push into the algorithm.
I feel this video is for the mid tier or higher tier streamer that has a established or establishing audience that also has the availability to be able to stream part time rather than a casual hobbyist.
I work 60hrs a week, put out shorts way more than a edited video, i stream alot more than both because its easy to maintain a schedule around. Like many many people having a full time job with alot of overtime and wanting to maintain a healthy lifestyle or hobby outside of that. Im naturally set up for failure. Been at it for 3yrs, and still cant seem to have consistent growth. Until i super niched and was finally averaging around 100 people per stream. Although with no financial support, and little to no chat interactions. Thank god for the lurkers though. Some if not most were just there to troll my stream given the type of game it was and the community it fosters, and others were there for the value i brought to the niche.
Its a roll of the dice, and alot of free time.
i'm small streamers for five years, i get barely chat or no encouragement beside bot, yeah feel little mid tier or higher tier
Been using Restream for some time now. Your last vid and this one were a big help in me understanding why my YT VOD quality weren't as good. I thought it was just b/c the stream was at 720/60. I've been seeing gradual growth over time on my main communities that I stream to. My work around to this is that I record my streams natively while streaming. Then I can edit it and take out breaks, long sections of general chat that take away from people there just to watch the gameplay restream, swearing or too risque moments etc. Then I upscale it to get the better encoding on YT. I then direct people who find the OG VOD to the playlist that has all of the upscaled replays for that game. Downside - extra editing work. Upside, its gotten my watch hours above 3000 to apply for YPP. For someone who doesn't have time (or skill lol) to do well edited and made 5 - 10 minute videos every few days, this has gotten me to step 1 of YPP. I have a dedicated site that I point people to for anyone who has missed a previous stream where all of my playlists are of all of my past streams to help with this as well.
Next - restream multichat is the main thing that allows me to multicast. Without that I doubt I would do it because of the issues you mentioned. First, I do have chat on my screen so its visible to all viewers. Second,, chatters from each platform can talk to each other because chat shows up in the native chat for YT / Twitch / DLive (Kick only has partial integration with this currently). I also have a specific dock for restream chat on my second monitor so I can keep up with it. I can also scroll back to catch up on chat after an intense gameplay section in that dock.
You still bring up some really good points that I will need to start considering as I grow. Right now, a lot of your solid points I either have a work around for, or I'm too small for it to be an issue. So far, twitch's TOS for multichat hasn't been a big deal b/c I'm not eligible for affiliate. However, should I ever become eligible, I'll need to then start thinking about what to do. I did like the point you made about each platform having its own community as well - that makes sense and will be another thing I'll have to consider as I grow. Like my YT is mostly streams and stream replays. But, when I do have a chance to drop a video, it probably won't perform as well b/c my community on YT is mostly there for streams and I'll have to work extra to remind my streaming audience that I dropped an actual video the other day.
Lastly, after your last vid about multicasting where I commented that I hadn't had issues with restream dropping in a long time - I must have jinxed myself because I think I had a short drop in each of my last 3 streams O_o - it was short and we were back up super quick - but like you said, that could be the difference of people not coming back thinking I ended the stream. I'll be having a chat with RS about that as it is annoying when it does happen.
My experience with multicasting has been a positive one with restream overall, but I realize as well that for a lot of your audience, your points are 1000% valid. And they're valid for me as well because as I grow, I'll need to make some choices that's for sure. Always appreciate your vids and your insight! Cheers!
I've only multistreamed twice (three times if you count my short attempt at streaming last year 🤡). The biggest issue I've seen so far is how far behind the UA-cam stream gets if people are actually there watching. Having said that, the next issue is like you mentioned: one chat getting more attention. There was only 1 active person for the majority on the UA-cam chat, but most of my buds were on the Twitch chat. Unfortunately, I haven't taken the time to have both chats on my stream overlay yet. So I was having to look back and forth on my screen to keep an eye out for people chatting.
I was upfront with the UA-cam chat letting them know Twitch would have been a better viewing experience, but they were having issues with the site and didn't mind lacking features.
I'm still going to give it a go for now. Im trying to give myself the push to work more on editing Shorts and Longform videos.
9:55 This is really interesting. I am wondering why were the livestreams affecting your other videos so much, were they getting recommended instead of your usual edited videos about streaming?
Now I am wondering about my case since I just started streaming: I was planning to multistream on both twitch and youtube (I really wanted youtube cause I have an AV1 compatible graphics card and the quality is extremely good but I have unstable upload speed with youtube only for some reason) with gameplay for single player games, and then shortened versions/highlights as edited videos. In that case I guess the targeted audience overlaps a lot more since the base content is the same. Do you think in this case multistreaming will be ok? Although your experiments make me wonder if it may be better to just let the edited videos on youtube (and maybe make an unlisted playlist/separate channel with high quality full vods instead).
I've been multi streaming since I started up again and didn't even think about this being an issue. I really was doing it to get my vods saved since twitch only saves for 14 days.
Different platforms have different audiences.. vastly different sometimes. And they don’t always understand each other - the multi chat makes it confusing and awkward no matter how well done in my experience!
I have always multi stream UA-cam tiktok vertical then twitch full screen with a notice saying full screen here.. worked well in the past to gain more traffic or I would still be at 3 followers on twitches terrible discovery
Thanks for all of the information. I think I will focus more on the UA-cam side for discovery, but I’m not going to multi stream. I might do it at a later time, if I grow big enough like loadedwombat, kitdy or so many other larger streamers do since it works for them, but I’ll definitely be taking a lot of your advice here.
In my case, I made a conscious decision to stay with one platform. The reason is it allows me to focus on the viewers and engage with them, rather than being distracted by a second restream. Furthermore, I can stream at a higher bit rate at 1440p 30fps without splitting the bandwidth or relying on a third party tool to do so.
I did consider restreaming on my return after a long break. This video has convinced me to stick to my approach
Thanks for this bro. I believe trying to multi-stream may have affected my usual viewership on UA-cam.
One thing I really enjoy about UA-cam streaming is the fact that YT actually has an algorithm for your stream, unlike Twitch…however, being a streamer that reacts/listens to music, YT is very impractical for my content :/
I love YT streaming, I focus on it normally, it’s just multistreaming didn’t help
Just started out streaming and went straight to multi-streaming... After thinking about it, Gaining randoms on different platforms and then funneling them to your main focused one seems like an all-rounder benefit. So ill say maybe having 1 platform in mind for long term and the others for a bonus if you get lucky with an extended reach of audience and tell them to also follow your other accounts, see which one has the most attraction/you prefer to use then eventually stick with the strongest one. Anyone agree or am i waffling? loool
They may have pretty similar streaming cultures UA-cam and Twitch but how they manage things is so different from each other UA-cam treat everyone equally no matter what type of content creator you are well twitch doesn’t treated equally
How do you feel about stream together on Twitch, do you think it hurts or helps you?
Stream Together is an amazing tool, I made a whole video about it a few videos ago, it's essentially the best collaboration tool currently made for streamers, despite what Streamer Twitter is saying.
I multi stream on tik tok and twitch I have had discoverability a lot better on TikTok then twitch but you’re completely right due to this I have been ignoring twitch more then I intend too due to it being two different chats so I’ve started thinking to just focus on TikTok as it’s where most of my viewership is but Twitch is where I started and I don’t wanna stop twitch either
1:52 small one and talk? I don't get lot chat or encouragement beside bot, both
I am by no means a high viewer streamer or offline creator but my viewer numbers on my shorts really took a hit when I tried multistreaming just last week. It took a week of not multistreaming but my views are back to normal for me.
That’s really interesting, I only saw issues on long form!
@@StreamScheme like I said I don’t get many views but I got a pretty average amount. I multistreamed and they all went away for a while. 🤷♂️
Love your content, has been helpful getting started on streaming.
The biggest win I get with multistreaming is for thos that are on twitch the refuse to use UA-cam and vice versa still get to see the streams, what might work better tho is opening a whole new channel for only livestreams on UA-cam if you are feeling the hit you take with views on your videos and shorts would be my suggestion.
personally never understood the concept of multi-streams. as a creator who spends so much time building an audience and tailoring an experience to work well using one platform, throwing it out the window simply for the chance to get some extra views simply never made sense to me.
Do you still recommend starting by streaming to youtube even if it does flood your channel like you said?
It’s about streaming to the correct audience, and making content clickable.
Issue is multistreaming is often treating UA-cam like a second thought, but as a streamer it needs to be a focus if you’re using it.
I have been doing vertical livestreaming and that has changed my path to content creator to livestreamer I prefer streaming the standard way however my views and subscribers are soo much less
Thanks for this video. I've been multistreaming to basically every platform simultaneously (Twitch, Kick, TikTok, YT both horizontal & vertical) and have noticed that my UA-cam viewers usually just pop in briefly and leave because so much of my stream is tailored specifically for Twitch.
I basically have 3 different communities (YT - Brawlhalla, Twitch - VTuber, TikTok - Music) and I've really just been shooting myself in the foot this whole time pretending like I could realistically combine them all. I needed to hear this lol
Does Eljay still check out smaller streams and give feedback? I don’t want to be rude and start throwing my twitch around where it’s not wanted lol
I look but nine times out of 10 there’s nothing really to say
While I can see it not being a boon for growth in various ways, some of the points you raised feel really odd to me. YT and Twitch chat are merged in my interface, so nothing is getting ignored, and restream bot ferries messages from one platform to another so all of the viewers can see all of the other viewers' messages ┐(´д｀)┌
Am I the only one who thinks this video was aimed more at criticizing how UA-cam Livestreaming works versus multi-streaming? There are some great points in here about Restream using the lowest quality and each chat missing out on what the other is doing, but I don't see how UA-cam's copyright system or making VODS public really counts as a multi-streaming issue. I get he talked about biases and stuff in the beginning, but still.
I think it would be neat to talk about the pros and cons of each in their own videos tho, and potential workarounds. Like making your YT VODS unlisted, but putting them in a public playlist on your channel.
I actually love UA-cam streaming, because I focus PURELY on it. As a video maker it is the best platform to stream on.
Making VoDs unlisted defeats the whole benefit and purpose of one of the main benefits of UA-cam streaming.
TikTok has the same issues with copyright BUT worse, and I say TikTok as well when talking on the copyright.
In your demonstration you showed tour cam at 6k bitrate and it looked awful 😂😂 what camera were you using? My camera doesn't look like that at 6k bitrate and I'm not using a super overpowered camera either
Genuinely just curious because alot of your points on this video I 100% agree with but that part stuck out lol
It’s the VoD, and it’s zoomed in, I had a lot of motion happening in other parts of the screen so the bitrate died off
Makes sense.. Great content as usual. Thanks again!
If you multistream you can always popout the chat box - I just put it up next to my twitch chat.
Makes detailed guide on how to multistream > Proceeds to tell me I shouldn't multistream... I can't help but feel like there's some mixed signals XDD
End of this video I say to try it first yourself
I don’t gatekeep information
Eh that’s why I stop 🛑 on and off streaming it’s sad getting 2 views every time on twitch 😔 but I guess it’s all about having fun anyways ? And the last UA-cam video you said sticking to a specific schedule and not missing the times maybe that’s one reason why too? 🎉 Will get there eventually going to try sticking to same times starting this week and November you always give good types to follow by
I got banned from your discord and i didont do anything wrong can you help me
Dawg, do you know what type of advice you skip more often than not?
Twitch's standards are so low, I don't care about the platform anymore. If they don't, why should I.
Ok.
Ehi there Elj,
Charlie/Moistkritical released a video wich lead to the exact opposite conclusion.
If you could analyze the video and comment it, It would be really interesting :D
I think the difference is essentially, established creators with established audiences will find multistreaming better.
Beginners and smaller creators should always still focus on TikTok and UA-cam offline content.
This video explains I personally at my size of 25-100 viewers hated the experience but I am VERY interactive with every person in chat, it’s why I stream and watch twitch, someone of Charlie’s size likely doesn’t have those problems.
But I’ll watch it again when I’m on more sleep.
@StreamScheme
Hi Elj!
What I didn't like about that video is how Charlie advised multistreaming always, both to small and big creators, saying there is no valid reason, in any case, to not multistream.
I think it could mislead someone.
Thank you so much for the fast answer :D
Heyo! I watched the entire thing, it seems he is only talking about revenue, which is meaningless when as a Small to Medium creator you will not earn anything like him in ad revenue. Very disappointed by the video and how cut/dry it was. Ignores the community aspects, ignores discovery, and doesn't understand the privilege that the examples he shows are nowhere near what anyone else has/will see.
I've done hundreds of UA-cam streams, and even with well performing VoDs never earn close to that.
I recommend watching Ludwigs Stream from today titled "Lets Talk" he reacts to Charlie at about 59 minutes in, and shows all of his analytics as well, which sort've instantly shows that it isn't as cut/dry as Charlie says.
At the end of the day, success in this industry isn't whether you stream more, less, on what platform, it's about making offline discoverable content on UA-cam and TikTok.
@@StreamScheme
Yeah!
(More or less) Exactly what I thought while watching his video.
I'm a bit sad too, Charlie really seem a nice guy.
In every case, It's not the first time he approaches a topics in quite the superficial way, focusing more on sharing his idea than saying something based on actual proofs.
And I understand someone may just want to share their thoughts, but with a pubblic as vast as the one of Charlie, this absolutism may hurt lotta of creators :/
It's what scares me about "UA-cam Avengers", when many people look to a specific figure for answers, blindly trusting what they say.
Anyway, I hope that someone will be able to reach Charlie and warn him.
He is on good terms with Ludwig, if I'm not wrong, maybe he will listen to him.
Thank you again!
This comment has no likes or attention, still here you are, talking with me in a long discussion.
Chadest steamer ever 🦾
ok
tldr dont multistream
Can’t join your discord the link has expired 🥲
Still works, likely you joined, broke a rule, auto mod banned you, and now you can’t rejoin.