As usual, great content from beginning to end! I'm very happy for you that you got "sponsored" by XMG to produce such a great material for us. Thank you! I'm very very happy with my Eluktronics THICC-15 with a 3900X. I decided to go with the X variant because of it to be future proof. I can easily sell it to a desktop user (to run it at full 105W TDP) in the future should (hopefully! fingers crossed 🤞🏻) we get Zen 3 support... I also daily run it ManualOC via ZenStates at 3.8GHz AC @ 1.09375V when gaming and at 3.0GHz AC @ 1.00V for web browsing and daily work. At 3.0 GHz, it runs very quiet, and fast for my taste. Once again, thank you for your patience! Great job! 👍🏻
@@danman1287 so the answer is yes. But why would you do it? Because the performance of the 3900 is similar (or better) than the 3900X, especially because it allows a bit extra in OC because it is native 65W..different than the X variant that is 105W
@@leovbernardo I wasn't considering it. I was surprised u can just change the cpu when the manufacturer origin pc doesn't even offer it as an option. They have the amd 3950x which is overkill for me.
Thank you for this very in depth review. I purchased one of these from Elutronics (THICC15) and have been using your videos to tweak the PPT/EDC/TDC numbers and have gotten pretty interesting results as well. Cheers!
[ update November 10, 2020. " We are more and more confident that there might be a successor model of XMG APEX 15 at some point next year. " ] aight .. - ill wait until mid 2021 for a Zen 3 in my new gaming laptop , hopefully successor to Apex 15 cooling stays awesome with improvement on fan noise
Thanks for the diff CPU comparisons! It’s a lot of help to those who have the chance to select from a list of AMD Ryzen CPUs but do not know which is the best for the tasks they use most. I would have preferred a more extensive list of current games though!
Would love to, but unfortunately it already took me two weeks and not much money left to purchase some of the more recent ones. Too bad Cyberpunk 2077 wasn't available ;) Wish there would be more game demos with benchmarks built-in like SOTTR. Awesome feature
Great video&content, it was a joy to watch till the end!! Congrats for it and thanks to @Xmg to support a talented reviewer! I've choosen the 3600 for better thermal&power efficiency/cooling but for what I've seen the cooling solution is more adequate for 2 dies as the heat output is just too much to be handled by such a small transfer surface. The 3800x results are intriguing atleast and I'm considering it and 3700x as a viable upgrade if zen3 doesn't get released to apex 15 b450 (really hope not...). As a proof of concept, this laptop is a marvel. The GPU works really well for it's 115w thermal output with room to squeeze it further (really hope you make a video regarding gpu perf gain over oc&uv) and the cpu choice... well, Apex 15 is a power house for sure! Thanks @CoreZair!
Thanks for your kind words :) Glad you like it. Well I agree about the 2 CCD thermal transfer story, but just in case of full load scenarios of course. In light & medium loads and gaming you benefit from the overall lower package power of the 3600/3700X over the 3900/3950X. And yes video about the GPU tweaking is coming :) +10% GPU perf are possible for me, but not much more. It's okay-ish I think. I am more interested in undervolting to reduce noise :) works like a charm in this notebook :) -5 to -8dBA possible
Wieder extrem interessant. Falls Du Dich erinnerst, ich habe das gleiche Notebook mit 3950x. 😉 RAM habe ich aber bei 3200 MHz gelassen und ja nach Deiner Anleitung getuned. (Schaut euch das an Leute, es lohnt sich!) Die Samsung Bausteine verbrauchen mir bei 3600 MHz zu viel Leistung und um sie wirklich stabil zu kriegen, werden die Timings doch wieder schlechter. Da läuft das System mit den sehr getweakten Timings mit 3200 MHz und dafür rd. 5W mehr Leistung für die CPU schneller (CB20). Mein CB20 Highscore liegt seit heute bei satten 7668 Punkten... Das muss aber im ersten Lauf klappen, sonst geht das Teil auf 78W PPT runter. So wie Du es auch sagst. Leider. 🤷🏼♂️ Ich werde mal probieren, wie sich Undervolting auf Star Citizen auswirkt. Soll Multithreading bis 16 Cores unterstützen. Schaltet man während des Spiel auf Entertainment Mode runter, gehen sofort die FPS runter. Guter Beleg dafür wie CPU lastig das Spiel ist. In dem Spiel habe ich aber auch schon Boosts über 4,2 GHz gesehen. Einmal bis 4,4... Das soll das Apex 15 gar nicht können. 😅 Bin gespannt, ob ich thermisch was rausholen kann, ohne dass die FPS leiden. Danke auf jeden Fall schon mal für dieses wieder klasse Video! 👍🏻
Yes and no. It works, but the results are worse than what I can achieve manually. I guess it is not well optimized for 65W TDP mainboards without LLC control. So kind of works. Maybe the following versions will be improve :)
@@TechModLab Ah, I see. I was thinking that it may be worth trying/testing because it is a nice "automatic" tool and I have not heard of anyone using it with our kind of desktop-laptop hybrid machine. I thought that it may not be great for the OC, but would be nice to use to find the perfect undervolting spot. But I guess you beat me to it! How far is it from the manual outcome by the way? Like far off? Or just a couple of steps off in terms of voltage and clock? Thanks for the reply by the way!
Dear CoreZair, this is again to thank you for this awesome work. It is still very useful to me. I switch from the 3900x to a 3950x, and finally to a 3700x which was the most useful for my use case (music production, so single core speed is quite important, but more cores running count too) I managed to enter your settings and have, for the 3700x, the ability to run it at 4.2 GHz @1,219V without problems. Is there a way to squeeze out more voltage from the apex to have a higher speed clock ? Inputting 4.3 at the same voltage yields blue screens. Again I am very grateful for the awesome content you bring to the community ;-)
Thank you for the warming words! Well 4.3 should be doable with higher voltages yes, but you should keep an eye on your total power draw (PPT or package power draw works too). The 3700X got 1 CDD and runs hotter as 2 CCD CPUs. So you should prevent going above 88W. Maybe even 80W depending on your personal preferences. But tbh i don't think you would notice the difference between 4.2 and 4.3 GHz. It's just 2.4% for potentially a lot more power draw and temperature.
Short update. Had to increase the voltage of the 3950x CPU to 0,981V to run the undervolting and manual OC stable at 3.6GHz all core. CB20 was 8495 Points. 😳 I mean... Wow! PPT via HWMonitor 91.2W Package temperature 76 Celsius. Thank you so much, your videos are really great stuff! Ist schon echt beeindruckend! Fast 8500 Punkte im CB20, und der bleibt knapp unter 80 Grad. Unglaublich. Ich stelle dabei aber die Lüfter manuell auf Maximum. Ich denke, das erhöht die Vergleichbarkeit. Allerdings auch die CB20 Punktzahl. 😉 Star Citizen looks fine as well. CPU Score is a bit lower than wirhout manual OC, but as the system runs cooler, the GPU score has increased a bit. All in all more or less the same FPS in game, but the system runs nearly 10 degrees Celsius cooler! Which is great! In 3.11 the FPS are better. Unbelivable! 👍🏻 Vielen Dank Dir!
Sounds awesome :) I think 91W under full load is fine if your thermal compound can handle it. In games the power draw is lower than default anyway, as you observed too, and so are the temperatures. I think about upgrading to 12 cores since the 3900 can run 3.9ghz all core just fine. But not sure yet. Two CCD processors tend to run on slower memory timings since they put more stress to the memory controller. Not sure if I want to go back to slower memory again ':D Oh and yes, more cooling power also lead to little more performance. Most modern computers are slower in summer than in winter ;) full fans give you an advantage but are annoying for your ears hehe
If you want 12 cores, maybe wait till next year and take a 5900x? Hopefully Clevo upgrades the BIOS of the Apex in Q1 2021... On the other hand 3900x should be availiable on Ebay in bigger numbers soon too... 😉 Because I would not bet too much, that Clevo upgrades the Bios so that we could use Zen3... But... maybe... 5950x... in my Apex... Would be not too shabby... 🤣🤣 If I would just use the Apex for gaming, I maybe could go higer in CPU frequency... But runs smoothly at the moment and I am very happy with the reduced temperatures. Without manual OC and Undervolting the CPU reached over 90 degrees every now and then... Typicall was 80-85 degrees Celsius (PPT ~80 Watts). After I had put the fans on maximum... Now with UV and OC in the 70s without loss in gaming performance. And to be honest, 50-60 FPS in space and now up to 80 FPS in „High“ settings on spacestations ist extremely good for Star Citizen. (Once I even saw 100 FPS on „Hur L3“-Spacestation... ✌🏻) All in 3.11 which runs smoother in this regard than 3.10. ☝🏻 And all this performance from a laptop... This is insane! 😁👍🏻
Just for the CB20 junkies of us: 3950x 3,7 GHz manual OC all core 1.031 V (CPU) undervolting 100,81 W PPT 171 F / 78 Grad Celsius 8688 Points... 🤪🤪🤪 Can you believe this? But it is true... Fans set to max manually Monitoring software HWMonitor ZenStates to apply manual UV and OC 3DANDSTUFF: Big thank you! Makes really fun to test this out after chatting with you! 👍🏻👍🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
@@TeKieler72 Awesome! But be careful now. I am not sure how high your TDC (processor current) is at the moment. Better don't exceed 60A, or maybe 60A + 10% = 66A for too long. I am not sure how hot the Power ICs (VRMs) get. Better don't overload them. For gaming that's fine, since there is no full load applied. But full load renders could be too much over longer periods of time.
3DAndStuff , thanks! I am aware of that. The 3,7 GHz is just for gaming. PPT is around 60W in Star Citizen. Temperatures did not exceed 75 degrees Celsius. Just slightly more than at 3,6 GHz. But of cause. Just for gaming. The temps were fine using CB20 with 78 degrees Celsius. But 100W are 100W... 🤷🏼♂️ of cause. TDC I am not sure, did not looked on it. But Der8auer dialed 75 TDC and 90 EDC in in RyzenMaster in his Video. So I think the Apex should - theoreticaly - handle it. 🤷🏼♂️
Hey! I have a question about the OC/UV for these CPUs in Apex 15. Is it actually possible to run these OC/UV when unplugged from the AC outlet? So, on battery basically. For example, take the lower TDP ones, like the 65W manual profiles then run Cinebench R20 MC while unplugged. Asking because when I tried this myself, the laptop shuts down after some time, as if something tripped. If I plug back the AC power, it will boot back up and run R20 just fine. So, I believe it is power-related, something about power delivery from the battery specifically. But I'm not sure if this is actually normal behavior or not. What do you think? When you unplug the laptop, regardless of power profile, you can see PPT limit changes to 28W (from 65W when plugged in) in Ryzen Master, is this indeed the issue? Thank you so much!
I have the 3900X from Metabox which is a Clevo NH chassis, after about 6 months temps reach up to 120 degrees celcius, even after re-pasting and cleaning heatsink/fans, these Ryzen laptops need a permanent laptop cooler or be used in an above average room temperature.
There could be other reasons. Especially since you had better temps in the beginning, right? Sounds like there is something broken. I got a 3900 running at 96W PPT with ManualOC and it reaches 83°C after 2 minutes CB20 loop at roughly 23°C room temperature. I use Artic MX-4. So as I said there must be something wrong with yours. With which settings your 3900X is running? Max PPT?
Hallo and thanks for the video. Doe this laptop work with the APU Ryzen 7 4700G for example? They offer very good performance with the opportunity to switch to the lower end integrated gpu when needed
The Renoir CPUs are officially not supported, but could boot anyway, not sure though. But XMG said in another post once that the integrated GPU will definitely not work, because the CPU related display lanes are not connected to any display output.
Unfortunately I got no hardware to test those two. BUT the 3700X in 65W Entertaibnment mode shows similar performance to the Ryzen 4800H and 4900H. So maybe that helps you out already? Unfortunately the 4800H and 4900H notebooks do only come with the RTX 2060 in their maxed out configuration. You can expect 6800 points in TimeSpy with the RTX2060 mobiole, while the RTX2070 mobile pushes 7800 points. The RTX2070 is roughly 15% fast and got 2GB more VRAM. That's all I can say to a hardware comparison so far.
I don't know exactly to be honest, never tried out. I use it as a desktop replacement. But I would expect less than 60 minutes with the 3950X and up to 90 minutes with the 3600. It's not a lot but usually enough to get to the next AC wall plug.
Hey question, I have one of these with a 3900 and a RTX 2070 and when I first got it my GPU temps were around 57C idle without doing much work, nowadays my gpu temps are 65C doing the same stuff. Any ideas why this might be? should I try cleaning out my fans? I've had it for about 6 months.
First thing would be to check your warranty if you are allowed to open the machine et cetera, if it's not an original XMG. It could be bad thermal paste already, but impossible to say. More likely is that some circumstances changed. Maybe you use a different fan profile? Quieter fans would lead to higher temperatures of course. Or "the same work" is not the same in the end. Maybe your load is higher than before. Maybe maybe. Impossible to clarify what's correct for me ^^
@@WenYSiow well after those tests and all the forum posts about overclocking you can see that the lower end CPUs do not overclock that well on average. If you buy a higher "tier" CPU you get a somewhat better silicon. For example the 3600XT should outperform the 3600 on average in terms of OC. The same I saw with the 3800X vs 3700X in this video. The XTs should be better. But there is no guarantee you get a good one of course, they are sold to meet the specs, not overclocks. Best silicon seems to be in the 3950X by the way.
@@TechModLab what you said is true as well, but maybe I'm just too unlucky since two of my friends can do like 4.3ghz on their 3600 non x/xt with only using around 1.2v while mine need 1.275v for 4.0ghz, maybe my friends got latest chip from 2020 while I got the one made in 2019
this question came up several months ago already. Tom from XMG answered that it should be possible, but no guarantee and it's not by XMG or Clevo tested whatsoever. It's a hacky solution. But yes, in theory you can achieve PCIe 3.0 x4 speeds. Not good, but not bad too.
Hallo. Was mache ich falsch? Mein Laptop will das Upgrade von einem 3700x auf einen 5600x nicht erkennen. Black Screen, kurzer Fan Spin und das war es dann schon. Die Tastatur leuchtet aber mehr passiert nicht. Bitte dringend um deine Hilfe. Gruss
the XMG APEX 15 from 2020 with B450 chipset does not support Ryzen 5000 (Zen 3). A new BIOS AGESA version would be required, but Clevo refused to work on an update, because their support from AMD's software engineers is very limited. If you want an upgrade you have to buy the latest APEX 15 MAX with B550 chipset.
Noch eine kurze Frage: Wie deaktivierst Du das ControllCenter3.0? Ich finde das weder im Autostart noch bei Windows Dienste... Das setzt mir aber die Settings in ZenStates sofort zurück, bei jedem Neustart, so dass ich die Settings nicht rein kriege. Über RyzenMaster komme ich nur auf 3,55 GHz bei 0,96875 V. 3,6 bei 0,975 haut nicht hin. Müsste ich V steigern. Was wieder mehr W und eine größere Hitze nach sich zieht. Und im Betrieb switched der Rechner zT vom OC einfach zurück in Standard. Wie kann das denn sein? Ohne Neustart, einfach so. Danke Dir!
To deactivate the ControlCenter in Windows 10: Task Manager -> Services -> "open services" text on the bottom -> deactivate "Control Center Hotkey service" (use manual mode if everything is grayed out). Reboot after that. To apply your ManualOC more easily I can recommend to use "ZenStates" as shown in the video. Switch to german now... 3.55GHz ist nicht schlecht bei 16 kernen. Check mal mit CB20 wieviel Watt (package power) du bei deinen Einstellungen verbrauchst. Prinzipiell könntest du auch auf über 88W gehen, da im Gaming-Betrieb niemals Volllast erreicht wird. 3.6GHz sind also drin, die 50MHz mchen jetzt aber die Gans nicht fett ;) Renderst du gelegentlich?
That will help me a lot. Thank you! I could activate the settings in RyzenMaster but the OC will be deactivated after a normal reboot. With 3,55 GHz and 0.96... V a had 87Watt PPT and a CB20 of 8230 Points. Not that bad. 😁 I use the Apex for Videoediting as well. ✌🏻
@@TeKieler72 Ryzen Master can't apply settings automatically after a reboot. Memory settings are different, they do get applied in BIOS. You HAVE TO use third party software to apply ManualOC automatically. ZenStates is good as mentioned before. Over 8000 points are awesome :)
Worked! CB20 with 8338 points after using ZenStates. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 Mindblowing for a Notebook I think. Danke Dir! Jetzt muss ich das noch in Star Citizen testen. 🤞🏻
As usual, great content from beginning to end! I'm very happy for you that you got "sponsored" by XMG to produce such a great material for us. Thank you!
I'm very very happy with my Eluktronics THICC-15 with a 3900X. I decided to go with the X variant because of it to be future proof. I can easily sell it to a desktop user (to run it at full 105W TDP) in the future should (hopefully! fingers crossed 🤞🏻) we get Zen 3 support... I also daily run it ManualOC via ZenStates at 3.8GHz AC @ 1.09375V when gaming and at 3.0GHz AC @ 1.00V for web browsing and daily work. At 3.0 GHz, it runs very quiet, and fast for my taste.
Once again, thank you for your patience! Great job! 👍🏻
I have origin pc eon-15x amd 3900...u mean I can just put in the 3900x?
@@danman1287 Is it the same form factor/barebone as the Eluktronics THICC-15 and Apex 15?
@@leovbernardo yes
@@danman1287 so the answer is yes. But why would you do it? Because the performance of the 3900 is similar (or better) than the 3900X, especially because it allows a bit extra in OC because it is native 65W..different than the X variant that is 105W
@@leovbernardo I wasn't considering it. I was surprised u can just change the cpu when the manufacturer origin pc doesn't even offer it as an option. They have the amd 3950x which is overkill for me.
Thank you for this very in depth review. I purchased one of these from Elutronics (THICC15) and have been using your videos to tweak the PPT/EDC/TDC numbers and have gotten pretty interesting results as well.
Cheers!
[ update November 10, 2020. " We are more and more confident that there might be a successor model of XMG APEX 15 at some point next year. " ]
aight .. - ill wait until mid 2021 for a Zen 3 in my new gaming laptop , hopefully successor to Apex 15 cooling stays awesome with improvement on fan noise
Thanks for the diff CPU comparisons! It’s a lot of help to those who have the chance to select from a list of AMD Ryzen CPUs but do not know which is the best for the tasks they use most.
I would have preferred a more extensive list of current games though!
Would love to, but unfortunately it already took me two weeks and not much money left to purchase some of the more recent ones. Too bad Cyberpunk 2077 wasn't available ;)
Wish there would be more game demos with benchmarks built-in like SOTTR. Awesome feature
Fantastic video, just what we needed.
Great video&content, it was a joy to watch till the end!! Congrats for it and thanks to @Xmg to support a talented reviewer! I've choosen the 3600 for better thermal&power efficiency/cooling but for what I've seen the cooling solution is more adequate for 2 dies as the heat output is just too much to be handled by such a small transfer surface. The 3800x results are intriguing atleast and I'm considering it and 3700x as a viable upgrade if zen3 doesn't get released to apex 15 b450 (really hope not...). As a proof of concept, this laptop is a marvel. The GPU works really well for it's 115w thermal output with room to squeeze it further (really hope you make a video regarding gpu perf gain over oc&uv) and the cpu choice... well, Apex 15 is a power house for sure! Thanks @CoreZair!
Thanks for your kind words :) Glad you like it.
Well I agree about the 2 CCD thermal transfer story, but just in case of full load scenarios of course. In light & medium loads and gaming you benefit from the overall lower package power of the 3600/3700X over the 3900/3950X.
And yes video about the GPU tweaking is coming :) +10% GPU perf are possible for me, but not much more. It's okay-ish I think. I am more interested in undervolting to reduce noise :) works like a charm in this notebook :) -5 to -8dBA possible
@@TechModLabhello, thank you for the great tutorials. about ccd: does it mean this laptop has different cooling solutions for 3700x and 3950x?
Wieder extrem interessant. Falls Du Dich erinnerst, ich habe das gleiche Notebook mit 3950x. 😉
RAM habe ich aber bei 3200 MHz gelassen und ja nach Deiner Anleitung getuned. (Schaut euch das an Leute, es lohnt sich!)
Die Samsung Bausteine verbrauchen mir bei 3600 MHz zu viel Leistung und um sie wirklich stabil zu kriegen, werden die Timings doch wieder schlechter.
Da läuft das System mit den sehr getweakten Timings mit 3200 MHz und dafür rd. 5W mehr Leistung für die CPU schneller (CB20).
Mein CB20 Highscore liegt seit heute bei satten 7668 Punkten...
Das muss aber im ersten Lauf klappen, sonst geht das Teil auf 78W PPT runter. So wie Du es auch sagst. Leider. 🤷🏼♂️
Ich werde mal probieren, wie sich Undervolting auf Star Citizen auswirkt. Soll Multithreading bis 16 Cores unterstützen. Schaltet man während des Spiel auf Entertainment Mode runter, gehen sofort die FPS runter. Guter Beleg dafür wie CPU lastig das Spiel ist.
In dem Spiel habe ich aber auch schon Boosts über 4,2 GHz gesehen. Einmal bis 4,4... Das soll das Apex 15 gar nicht können. 😅
Bin gespannt, ob ich thermisch was rausholen kann, ohne dass die FPS leiden.
Danke auf jeden Fall schon mal für dieses wieder klasse Video! 👍🏻
Does the new Ryzen CTR from 1usmus works with this laptop? Have you ever tried using that? It seems to be a good tool for UV/OC
Yes and no. It works, but the results are worse than what I can achieve manually. I guess it is not well optimized for 65W TDP mainboards without LLC control.
So kind of works.
Maybe the following versions will be improve :)
@@TechModLab Ah, I see. I was thinking that it may be worth trying/testing because it is a nice "automatic" tool and I have not heard of anyone using it with our kind of desktop-laptop hybrid machine. I thought that it may not be great for the OC, but would be nice to use to find the perfect undervolting spot. But I guess you beat me to it! How far is it from the manual outcome by the way? Like far off? Or just a couple of steps off in terms of voltage and clock? Thanks for the reply by the way!
Dear CoreZair, this is again to thank you for this awesome work. It is still very useful to me. I switch from the 3900x to a 3950x, and finally to a 3700x which was the most useful for my use case (music production, so single core speed is quite important, but more cores running count too)
I managed to enter your settings and have, for the 3700x, the ability to run it at 4.2 GHz @1,219V without problems. Is there a way to squeeze out more voltage from the apex to have a higher speed clock ? Inputting 4.3 at the same voltage yields blue screens.
Again I am very grateful for the awesome content you bring to the community ;-)
Thank you for the warming words!
Well 4.3 should be doable with higher voltages yes, but you should keep an eye on your total power draw (PPT or package power draw works too). The 3700X got 1 CDD and runs hotter as 2 CCD CPUs. So you should prevent going above 88W. Maybe even 80W depending on your personal preferences.
But tbh i don't think you would notice the difference between 4.2 and 4.3 GHz. It's just 2.4% for potentially a lot more power draw and temperature.
Very interesting video. Is it possible to use the amd ryzen 5xxx series cpu in this machine, too? Did make XMG a BIOS Update for it?
Short update. Had to increase the voltage of the 3950x CPU to 0,981V to run the undervolting and manual OC stable at 3.6GHz all core.
CB20 was 8495 Points. 😳
I mean... Wow!
PPT via HWMonitor 91.2W
Package temperature 76 Celsius.
Thank you so much, your videos are really great stuff!
Ist schon echt beeindruckend! Fast 8500 Punkte im CB20, und der bleibt knapp unter 80 Grad. Unglaublich.
Ich stelle dabei aber die Lüfter manuell auf Maximum. Ich denke, das erhöht die Vergleichbarkeit. Allerdings auch die CB20 Punktzahl. 😉
Star Citizen looks fine as well. CPU Score is a bit lower than wirhout manual OC, but as the system runs cooler, the GPU score has increased a bit.
All in all more or less the same FPS in game, but the system runs nearly 10 degrees Celsius cooler! Which is great!
In 3.11 the FPS are better. Unbelivable! 👍🏻
Vielen Dank Dir!
Sounds awesome :) I think 91W under full load is fine if your thermal compound can handle it. In games the power draw is lower than default anyway, as you observed too, and so are the temperatures.
I think about upgrading to 12 cores since the 3900 can run 3.9ghz all core just fine. But not sure yet. Two CCD processors tend to run on slower memory timings since they put more stress to the memory controller. Not sure if I want to go back to slower memory again ':D
Oh and yes, more cooling power also lead to little more performance. Most modern computers are slower in summer than in winter ;) full fans give you an advantage but are annoying for your ears hehe
If you want 12 cores, maybe wait till next year and take a 5900x? Hopefully Clevo upgrades the BIOS of the Apex in Q1 2021...
On the other hand 3900x should be availiable on Ebay in bigger numbers soon too... 😉
Because I would not bet too much, that Clevo upgrades the Bios so that we could use Zen3...
But... maybe... 5950x... in my Apex... Would be not too shabby... 🤣🤣
If I would just use the Apex for gaming, I maybe could go higer in CPU frequency...
But runs smoothly at the moment and I am very happy with the reduced temperatures.
Without manual OC and Undervolting the CPU reached over 90 degrees every now and then... Typicall was 80-85 degrees Celsius (PPT ~80 Watts). After I had put the fans on maximum...
Now with UV and OC in the 70s without loss in gaming performance.
And to be honest, 50-60 FPS in space and now up to 80 FPS in „High“ settings on spacestations ist extremely good for Star Citizen. (Once I even saw 100 FPS on „Hur L3“-Spacestation... ✌🏻)
All in 3.11 which runs smoother in this regard than 3.10. ☝🏻
And all this performance from a laptop... This is insane! 😁👍🏻
Just for the CB20 junkies of us:
3950x
3,7 GHz manual OC all core
1.031 V (CPU) undervolting
100,81 W PPT
171 F / 78 Grad Celsius
8688 Points... 🤪🤪🤪
Can you believe this? But it is true...
Fans set to max manually
Monitoring software HWMonitor
ZenStates to apply manual UV and OC
3DANDSTUFF: Big thank you! Makes really fun to test this out after chatting with you! 👍🏻👍🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
@@TeKieler72 Awesome! But be careful now. I am not sure how high your TDC (processor current) is at the moment. Better don't exceed 60A, or maybe 60A + 10% = 66A for too long. I am not sure how hot the Power ICs (VRMs) get. Better don't overload them.
For gaming that's fine, since there is no full load applied. But full load renders could be too much over longer periods of time.
3DAndStuff , thanks! I am aware of that.
The 3,7 GHz is just for gaming.
PPT is around 60W in Star Citizen. Temperatures did not exceed 75 degrees Celsius. Just slightly more than at 3,6 GHz.
But of cause. Just for gaming.
The temps were fine using CB20 with 78 degrees Celsius. But 100W are 100W... 🤷🏼♂️ of cause.
TDC I am not sure, did not looked on it. But Der8auer dialed 75 TDC and 90 EDC in in RyzenMaster in his Video. So I think the Apex should - theoreticaly - handle it. 🤷🏼♂️
4:37 Sorry ladies, you may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.
Hello, could you please test this amazing notebook with Corona Renderer 1.3 benchmark? =) Thank you so much!
Hey! I have a question about the OC/UV for these CPUs in Apex 15. Is it actually possible to run these OC/UV when unplugged from the AC outlet? So, on battery basically. For example, take the lower TDP ones, like the 65W manual profiles then run Cinebench R20 MC while unplugged. Asking because when I tried this myself, the laptop shuts down after some time, as if something tripped. If I plug back the AC power, it will boot back up and run R20 just fine. So, I believe it is power-related, something about power delivery from the battery specifically. But I'm not sure if this is actually normal behavior or not. What do you think? When you unplug the laptop, regardless of power profile, you can see PPT limit changes to 28W (from 65W when plugged in) in Ryzen Master, is this indeed the issue?
Thank you so much!
I have the 3900X from Metabox which is a Clevo NH chassis, after about 6 months temps reach up to 120 degrees celcius, even after re-pasting and cleaning heatsink/fans, these Ryzen laptops need a permanent laptop cooler or be used in an above average room temperature.
There could be other reasons. Especially since you had better temps in the beginning, right?
Sounds like there is something broken.
I got a 3900 running at 96W PPT with ManualOC and it reaches 83°C after 2 minutes CB20 loop at roughly 23°C room temperature. I use Artic MX-4.
So as I said there must be something wrong with yours.
With which settings your 3900X is running? Max PPT?
Hallo and thanks for the video. Doe this laptop work with the APU Ryzen 7 4700G for example? They offer very good performance with the opportunity to switch to the lower end integrated gpu when needed
The Renoir CPUs are officially not supported, but could boot anyway, not sure though. But XMG said in another post once that the integrated GPU will definitely not work, because the CPU related display lanes are not connected to any display output.
@@TechModLab that makes sense. Thanks.
Any new updates about zen3? Any luck?
@@SS-sx8yt Not yet. But hopes are high, Zen3 works on desktop B450 mainboards, we got B450 too, so why not? :)
wish to see u compare it to mobile offerings from intel and amd
Unfortunately I got no hardware to test those two. BUT the 3700X in 65W Entertaibnment mode shows similar performance to the Ryzen 4800H and 4900H. So maybe that helps you out already? Unfortunately the 4800H and 4900H notebooks do only come with the RTX 2060 in their maxed out configuration. You can expect 6800 points in TimeSpy with the RTX2060 mobiole, while the RTX2070 mobile pushes 7800 points. The RTX2070 is roughly 15% fast and got 2GB more VRAM.
That's all I can say to a hardware comparison so far.
But I have a question, how much time the battery last with the 3700x? and how much time does it need to be fully charged?
I don't know exactly to be honest, never tried out. I use it as a desktop replacement. But I would expect less than 60 minutes with the 3950X and up to 90 minutes with the 3600. It's not a lot but usually enough to get to the next AC wall plug.
Hey question, I have one of these with a 3900 and a RTX 2070 and when I first got it my GPU temps were around 57C idle without doing much work, nowadays my gpu temps are 65C doing the same stuff.
Any ideas why this might be? should I try cleaning out my fans? I've had it for about 6 months.
First thing would be to check your warranty if you are allowed to open the machine et cetera, if it's not an original XMG. It could be bad thermal paste already, but impossible to say. More likely is that some circumstances changed. Maybe you use a different fan profile? Quieter fans would lead to higher temperatures of course. Or "the same work" is not the same in the end. Maybe your load is higher than before. Maybe maybe. Impossible to clarify what's correct for me ^^
nice video
Too bad my 3600 cannot even handle 4.0ghz at 1.25v, it will reboot randomly during idle =(
Sounds like you got a bad one :( Sorry mate!
@@TechModLab yup I'm too unlucky at winning silicon lottery for amd cpu, my old fx6300 and fx8350 ran very bad at overclocking as well
@@WenYSiow well after those tests and all the forum posts about overclocking you can see that the lower end CPUs do not overclock that well on average. If you buy a higher "tier" CPU you get a somewhat better silicon. For example the 3600XT should outperform the 3600 on average in terms of OC. The same I saw with the 3800X vs 3700X in this video. The XTs should be better. But there is no guarantee you get a good one of course, they are sold to meet the specs, not overclocks.
Best silicon seems to be in the 3950X by the way.
@@TechModLab what you said is true as well, but maybe I'm just too unlucky since two of my friends can do like 4.3ghz on their 3600 non x/xt with only using around 1.2v while mine need 1.275v for 4.0ghz, maybe my friends got latest chip from 2020 while I got the one made in 2019
can i request 🙏 do this laptop handle egpu？ using m.2 slot 3.0 and sacrifice the hdd speed😅
this question came up several months ago already. Tom from XMG answered that it should be possible, but no guarantee and it's not by XMG or Clevo tested whatsoever. It's a hacky solution. But yes, in theory you can achieve PCIe 3.0 x4 speeds. Not good, but not bad too.
@@TechModLab thanks for reply，ordered 2070 3600 😂 for gaming purpose ，🙏thank you very much
Hallo. Was mache ich falsch? Mein Laptop will das Upgrade von einem 3700x auf einen 5600x nicht erkennen. Black Screen, kurzer Fan Spin und das war es dann schon. Die Tastatur leuchtet aber mehr passiert nicht. Bitte dringend um deine Hilfe. Gruss
the XMG APEX 15 from 2020 with B450 chipset does not support Ryzen 5000 (Zen 3). A new BIOS AGESA version would be required, but Clevo refused to work on an update, because their support from AMD's software engineers is very limited.
If you want an upgrade you have to buy the latest APEX 15 MAX with B550 chipset.
@@TechModLab Thanks fot the reply. Sad that i bought the CPU. So the max Upgrade for the 2020 Apex 15 would be 3950x?
Noch eine kurze Frage: Wie deaktivierst Du das ControllCenter3.0?
Ich finde das weder im Autostart noch bei Windows Dienste...
Das setzt mir aber die Settings in ZenStates sofort zurück, bei jedem Neustart, so dass ich die Settings nicht rein kriege.
Über RyzenMaster komme ich nur auf 3,55 GHz bei 0,96875 V. 3,6 bei 0,975 haut nicht hin. Müsste ich V steigern. Was wieder mehr W und eine größere Hitze nach sich zieht.
Und im Betrieb switched der Rechner zT vom OC einfach zurück in Standard. Wie kann das denn sein? Ohne Neustart, einfach so.
Danke Dir!
To deactivate the ControlCenter in Windows 10: Task Manager -> Services -> "open services" text on the bottom -> deactivate "Control Center Hotkey service" (use manual mode if everything is grayed out).
Reboot after that.
To apply your ManualOC more easily I can recommend to use "ZenStates" as shown in the video.
Switch to german now...
3.55GHz ist nicht schlecht bei 16 kernen. Check mal mit CB20 wieviel Watt (package power) du bei deinen Einstellungen verbrauchst. Prinzipiell könntest du auch auf über 88W gehen, da im Gaming-Betrieb niemals Volllast erreicht wird. 3.6GHz sind also drin, die 50MHz mchen jetzt aber die Gans nicht fett ;) Renderst du gelegentlich?
That will help me a lot. Thank you!
I could activate the settings in RyzenMaster but the OC will be deactivated after a normal reboot.
With 3,55 GHz and 0.96... V a had 87Watt PPT and a CB20 of 8230 Points. Not that bad. 😁
I use the Apex for Videoediting as well. ✌🏻
@@TeKieler72 Ryzen Master can't apply settings automatically after a reboot. Memory settings are different, they do get applied in BIOS.
You HAVE TO use third party software to apply ManualOC automatically. ZenStates is good as mentioned before.
Over 8000 points are awesome :)
Worked! CB20 with 8338 points after using ZenStates. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Mindblowing for a Notebook I think.
Danke Dir! Jetzt muss ich das noch in Star Citizen testen. 🤞🏻