I agree, detachable is better. But then again, engineering is all about compromises, if you want a compact laptop, don't complain about a non-detachable battery or higher temps. If you want performance, don't complain about the weight and battery life. And if you want everything, don't complain about the price.
I have an ASUS ultrabook from work and had the chance to open it up to upgrade the SSD. IMO the battery was effectively removable. It was a just bunch of lithium ion cells taped together in a series/parallel config and connected to the motherboard. If it goes bad I can just unwrap the package, order a bunch of cells from alibaba and rebuild the thing. It's really the manufacturer's insistence on doing unibody construction that's made upgrading laptops a pain. A lot of stuff you have to completely remove the motherboard because the mounting points are below it, coz the boards were initially designed for laptops with openings at the bottom which they no longer have now.
Am I dreaming or what?? 2020 and no soldered CPU nor RAM sticks, easy access to "guts", CR 2032 BIOS battery?? Laptops ain't my thing but I've bookmarked that site.
this is a clevo nh55ac barebone, and laptop like this will continue to exist in the future. usually clevo comes with removable mxm graphics too. too bad the 2070 is soldered on this model, perhaps you can wait for the 17 inch AMD barebone with even more freedom. there will be a intel 17 inch model coming soon for the 10th gen socket.
@Michael Martin Yeah, sure, until a BGA gpu burns and you'll have to replace a whole freaking system, potentially wasting thousands of dollars. With an MXM it is a simple swap, just like on a desktop PC. So sad that Clevo remains the only laptop vendor in the world who still more or less understands this. And no, Nvidia doesn't "sell" MXMs to anyone. They don't even provide reference designs since 2017 (AMD since 2014). Almost (only HP, Toshiba and Apple got their boards exclusively from Nvidia and AMD) all MXM boards are manufactured by laptop vendors themselves, just like desktop GPUs are by theirs. I myself had an MXM (675M) burn on me- the socketable nature of the standard was the saving grace. Swapped it with a 780M and it still runs perfectly with OC'd vbios after 5 years. So yes, I have firsthand experience of MXM's sheer superiority and stand firmly by my words.
To be fair, Wifi6 is capable of going faster than gigabit. Not saying I don't wire everything, but wireless is technically faster than most people have wired internet.
@@kdb424 The problem with WiFi only is not speed. The problem is that you need an adapter as soon as you have to configure a router or when you install a new OS and need to download the WiFi-card driver.
@@kdb424 Yeah, but WiFi6 is super new, very few stuff have/support it. Besides, no matter how fast it theoretically is, it's still unstable by nature and even WPA3 is not as secure as cable. Besides, some things just don't work well with wifi, or don't work at all. Cable just beats wifi in any way, besides comfort.
I love how you can get to all the components. Being able to upgrade the cpu, could make this platform last a long time. Thats really cool. I Also checked out the website, if i was shopping for a laptop i would be picking this up.
Seconded. Hell I've been considering getting a laptop for when I'm travelling for quite some time now and seeing how good it is I was about to go search the prices online.... And hten he said it's a prototype. Bummer :(
@@primodragoneitaliano and if you ever move to a desktop or your existing desktop cpu dies, you can always grab that 16core beast and slot it straight in ;-)
@@primodragoneitaliano It's not really a prototype, you can buy this machine from XMG or any other clevo reseller :) I'm planning to get it as well. In Poland you can get this model with 3900x, RTX 2070 2x 16gb RAM and evo 970 for like 1800 euro, which I think is great value for money.
XMG has been pretty explicit about the fact that it only works with 3200MHz native RAM NOT XMP overclocked stuff. That's what the timings were so bad on the kit they sent you. It's JEDEC rated on the standard SPD for a base speed of 3200MHz WITHOUT XMP. Use the kit they sent you, and 3200MHz should work.
Correct: we officially support DDR4-3200 JEDEC. We have a list of compatible and tested modules in our FAQ. But if end-users want to use our BIOS Setup and make other modules work, we won't stop them. :) // Tom
@@Taraquin83 It looks like for now we have to use the more "basic" memory and upgrade it later on when JEDEC high frequency kits become mainstream. One of Clevo resellers lists some unspecified 3000MHz CL16 as available option (their max) which was added after testing on their side. 2666 on the other hand is common and you can look for CL 15-14 to counterbalance the frequency. I hope by the time Ryzen 4000 goes full on 3600-4000 MHz JEDEC kits will be a thing without premium tax.
NOICE ONE on the LN Roman! :) The hard shutdown at 10:20 was the boards EC Amps hard limit (~97.5A) being exceeded (No way to alter this via BIOS or software). Using LN kept it afloat...but that's what a regular user will experience when trying to utilize the 3950X in any NH5xAx in a similar fashion. Only wish they would allow these AMD CPUs to be combined in models with a 200W 2080S in MXM flavor.
6943 point at 55W is amazing! 126 points per watt - that's on par with the efficiency of the 4000 mobile series. And he didn't mention a key part - contrary to the 4000 series, this CPU can be undervolted! Meaning that one can potentially get the CPU to work even more efficiently than shown in the video!
Hi guys, this is the official XMG Support, live from Taiwan! We're happy to see this review on der8auer's channel and we'd like to invite you to ask all your questions around XMG APEX 15 under this comment. We'll try to answer everything as fast and as in-depth as we can! Cheers, Tom (Feel free to upvote for visibility)
Getting the CPU stuck to the cooler is an issue so old AMD should be ashamed of not trying to address it on AM4. All it takes is a pressure plate to come down and lock the CPU on all sides, like Intel is doing forever now...
@@sbeezynukka OK, thx. I'm searching for a solution to bring temperature down and avoid noisy ventilation. The only thing I have in mind is to drill a hole under the case and stick a good old PC ventilator near the CPU/GPU...
Cool to see the new Clevo computers going strong! Reminds me of my old laptop "Clevo P651rs-g" :) Close to what you did with LN2, I soldered on 2 slim water blocks on to the copper heat-pipes, with quick-connect water-hoses on the outside of the laptop's case. This made the i7-8700hq and GTX1070 run close to desktop performance while connected to water, and still be a laptop to bring out of the home office. For anyone Interested in "external laptop cooling": The pump, reservoir, radiator, fans and a 12Vdc power supply was used separately from the computer. Copper water blocks bought from AliExpress or equivalent with a small hose size to fit inside a laptop case. Only water hoses connected the laptop to the cooling solution. Fanspeed was dynamic based on a thermistor and pumpspeed was at 100%. *Note: Soldering copper blocks to the heatpipes is something i won't attempt again, it requires very high temperature from a blow torch.
They could add a pair of quick disconnect couplings for optional external water loop :-) A docking station with adequate radiator could unlock the full desktop power.
That is a very interesting option, the pipeline is kind off already there, just add quick connects and you are set. It will be an expensive set up, but you get the best of both worlds.
Hey dude, have you successfully checked out one of this laptop? I try to check out but there is no 'US' in the list to choose for shipping...no idea why..
I don't know if enough people tell you this, but I really appreciate that you do every single one of your video in English as well as German, I know that doubles your work load and that you could just do German videos with English subtitles, but I really appreciate it being dyslexic!
What a great looking workstation laptop! A little less plastic and a lot more aluminium or magnesium would be nice just for durability but you can't deny it's got the important stuff inside.
they probably are or using Microsoft translations.. usually the languages for software are done by people in house that happen to speak the languages or if some one in the community volunteers to send them all the translations then they'll update them.
One of the key differences on the 3700X versus the 3950X is the amount of L2 cache and L3 cache. There is 100% more L2 cache and 100% more L3 cache on the 3950X, so the additional cores are not being limited by a reduced relative cache per core. If I understand it correctly, that is why there is basically no detriment to CPU performance. I am not sure if or how the power limits would affect it overall, but this could explain why it did not lose performance like in other situations when SMT is enabled/disabled.
THANK YOU @der8auer your the only reviewer/youtube that i've seen that has the correct single threaded for the 3950X i have one on a AIO Castle 360EX cooler and i get between 499, 505, 510 in single threaded test on r20 depending on what's running in the background and ever since i got it since release day.... i could NEVER get the 520+ other popular reviewers have been getting no matter what i did stock,OC,PBO you name it.... and i could never figure out why.... unless they have absolutely NOTHING running in the background which is VERY UNREALISTIC in normal real world usage as they like to called it.. anyways thank you for that now im at ease lol....
I checked the prices in the configurator and am pleasantly surprised. Awesome product both for the price and in general. I just wish I had ~3200 euros for my dream build.
der8auer has shifted interest onto laptops too. That's nice, some people prefer laptops over desktops, but problem lies on current battery technology. Waiting for it to evolve and high-performance laptops don't need to tethered all the time
this is a CLEVO nh55ac barebone for anyone interested in highly customizable laptops. XMG is a distributor of clevo, barebones are somewhat popular in asian countries. power delivery of the laptop much exceed the cooling capability of the stock cooler. there are lots of custom water/air hybrid cooler made for clevo barebones, at home you can run on water and push 140w to the cpu.
@@Catalinddm this is a clevo nh55ac, if you prefer heavy lifting you should checkout clevo's other flagship 17 inch models, 5kg+ for the laptop and 1.3kg per 330w of power brick.
Lol, I still have mine... with the Shintel Atom Dual Core... the slowest crappiest most annoying CPU ever made... it was useless at release... it been sitting on a drawer for a long time... fixed the cooling, added the 2GB RAM, added an SSD and still slow as turtle... but this new AMD 4000 series look like a small incremental upgrade, I think I am going to wait for Atom 10980HKS I am sure Shintel will release one soon ROFL... It is amazing what AMD has accomplished in just a few years after releasing the first ryzen... they seem to draw power from dark matter... holy cow 35watts kicking 90watts arse... amazing.
You know, in would actually like to see a very low power chip in it, just out of curiosity. Cool video as usual my man! BTW, still waiting for that pink TIM to hit the market :)
@@xmg_gg i was thinking about going even lower, just of curiosity about your cooling solution and it's ability to go maybe "passive" BTW, can you comment about the hax values in the BIOS? Why was this the system you choose? Cool laptop anyway and thanks for the engagement, it's not every day that you see a company actually listen to the curiosities of potential costumer, but let me tell you this, it increases the chances of them becoming actual ones :)
I wanna see what the Liquid Metal (Conductonaut?) does. Why not just go all SSD and skip SATA, for overall speed performance? I guess if you buy an extra battery or two, then you could use it for longer while unplugged. Is the battery hot-swappable presumably?
One question Roman: What if you kept the 3950x which is a higher binned CPU and disabled a few cores? make it a 8 Core 16 Threads while in gaming.. What kind of performance would we see then?
Disappointing that they didn't nickel-plate the coldplates, given all the enthusiast features that notebook has. Maybe they can fix that before release.
Well you just showed me the laptop that I want, love the fact that I can buy the base model w/ a 2070 and update the processor later on down the road as the 3600x is not a bad CPU to start with. Also considering the the upcoming gen of 4000 series desktop CPU's should still be using the AM4 socket so that should be a killer option. Always love watching your content man - you never disappoint and expand my knowledge in this space
Just seen this video and, as usual, I'm amazed. I'd like to see the temperatures on that Sammy's m.2 though; that's not what I would have chosen for my OS HDD in this instance, they just get too hot for my liking and all that plastic doesn't really help with heat dissipation. Anyway, thanks for the upload. Your ingenuity is second to none. Keep 'em coming please. 😎
I don't understand everyone's distaste for plastic chassis on laptops. If they can take the money wasted on using metal for better cooling it would be a win in my book. I've yet to have a plastic laptop crack on me; maybe I'm an exception? I'm a function over form type of person though. If I was in the market for a mobile workstation this one looks amazing.
Just a thought. Wouldn't it be more effective keeping the heatpipes just above 0 degrees celsius? The reson i was wondering was because the water in the heatpipes freezes when they're below 0 degrees celsius and then only the copper would transfer the heat making it less efficient.
I think you should've benchmarked a multiplayer game as well since we're talking about cpu's. Games with high player counts (like battle royales) require a lot of cpu performance, so I'm sure the comparison with the 3700x would've made more of a difference there.
I have the Sager Notebook (USA) varient of this sitting in the cart right now... all the new, slim, sleek stuff coming out with the 4000 series is neat, but I think I'm leaning towards this beast lol
Holy shit I want this laptop, please make it all metal on the outside There's no point in making a laptop future proof if made from plastic that cracks/deforms easily and starts making creaking noises after a while once you carry this laptop with you. I will keep my eyes on this laptop and how it will be when it's actually released, I like where this is going.
Is the GPU soldered on? Really like that it seems to be welcoming those who want to detach parts/upgrade stuff themselves when the laptop starts showing age. But if the GPU is soldered it seems a bit strange to go that route. I've owned a Clevo P751DM for 5 years now. It's a chunky Clevo with a desktop CPU just like this one. It hasn't missed a beat apart from last Winter the 980M fried and stopped working. I replaced it myself with a new replacement from a reseller in China. Chucked it in, repasted and re applied thermal pads.... and it's worked like a dream ever since. However, i would like to upgrade in the next year or 2. The Apex 15 looks like my cup of tea for sure, but if there are any soldered parts - it's a complete deal breaker for me.
I'd rather it be completely open to build. Say you buy it without some parts. I'll use the CPU I have as a spare, the RAM I already have and so on. It's time laptops become just as customizable as desktops. I want my laptop to uniquely my build.
The chassis is pretty much finished. The vent holes as seen in the laptops will be kept as seen. We will start shipping pre-orders to end-customers by end of this month. // Tom
Seems brilliant, would love a 17 inch version though, also is it a slightly different chip to the desktop ones, is it a 65w cpu or is it a normal desktop chip that is limited by the motherboard to 65w?
While the plastic cases clevo has made don't feel that premium the plastic really is stronger and holds up better then you would think. Ive seen a door (yes a wood door of all things) fall and hit one on the wrist rest and do almost 0 damage
i would like to see a test or a series of benchmarks games and workloads how much is the difference between ddr4 3200mhz and 3200mhz cl16... or one more in between 19 lets say. is this even noticable? shouldn't you go for the 3200mhz 21cl for example vs the 2666mhz 16cl? the latency is that big of a difference? 🙄🙄🙄
18"-19" (or even 21") variant with vapor chamber like it was in clevo p870 series, but improved, MXM new gen GPU slot, 4 DIMM slots so could be maxed out 128gb of ram, 2 sata slots, 1080p 144hz 1ms IPS panel with 100% adobeRGB, good sound hardware, 4.2 sound system))) Dreams :)
Some say liquid cooling a phone is stupid. I disagree. This is going in the right direction for sure, can't wait to have an LN2 bottle with me that I can use liquid nitrogen to cool my laptop, my phone and my watch.
that is pretty cool really surprised you was able to get as much as you did out of it on the stock cooling config I know what ya saying about the casing but agree with others its not necessary a bad thing it looking like that throw in a nice panel and I'd be good with it perhaps strengthen it up a bit but yeah its fine
You know you're doing something questionable when your pet cat (or whatever pet you have) is questioning what you are doing!!! LOL That is a pretty sick machine though but will be a challenge to get to Australia.
Detachable battery in 2020? It's a win in my book.
I think all Clevo chassis have easily removable batteries.
It's almost like its not a problem to do that, but manufacturers keep saying it's a problem.
I agree, detachable is better. But then again, engineering is all about compromises, if you want a compact laptop, don't complain about a non-detachable battery or higher temps. If you want performance, don't complain about the weight and battery life. And if you want everything, don't complain about the price.
I have an ASUS ultrabook from work and had the chance to open it up to upgrade the SSD. IMO the battery was effectively removable. It was a just bunch of lithium ion cells taped together in a series/parallel config and connected to the motherboard. If it goes bad I can just unwrap the package, order a bunch of cells from alibaba and rebuild the thing. It's really the manufacturer's insistence on doing unibody construction that's made upgrading laptops a pain. A lot of stuff you have to completely remove the motherboard because the mounting points are below it, coz the boards were initially designed for laptops with openings at the bottom which they no longer have now.
@@sabishiihito Most of them
Am I dreaming or what?? 2020 and no soldered CPU nor RAM sticks, easy access to "guts", CR 2032 BIOS battery?? Laptops ain't my thing but I've bookmarked that site.
Thank you! // Tom
If every manufacturer follows suit, laptops could catch up to desktops with custom build capabilities.
61Wh... It's not gonna be a good laptop... It'll be a crazy AIO mini PC...
this is a clevo nh55ac barebone, and laptop like this will continue to exist in the future. usually clevo comes with removable mxm graphics too. too bad the 2070 is soldered on this model, perhaps you can wait for the 17 inch AMD barebone with even more freedom. there will be a intel 17 inch model coming soon for the 10th gen socket.
@Michael Martin Yeah, sure, until a BGA gpu burns and you'll have to replace a whole freaking system, potentially wasting thousands of dollars. With an MXM it is a simple swap, just like on a desktop PC. So sad that Clevo remains the only laptop vendor in the world who still more or less understands this. And no, Nvidia doesn't "sell" MXMs to anyone. They don't even provide reference designs since 2017 (AMD since 2014). Almost (only HP, Toshiba and Apple got their boards exclusively from Nvidia and AMD) all MXM boards are manufactured by laptop vendors themselves, just like desktop GPUs are by theirs. I myself had an MXM (675M) burn on me- the socketable nature of the standard was the saving grace. Swapped it with a 780M and it still runs perfectly with OC'd vbios after 5 years. So yes, I have firsthand experience of MXM's sheer superiority and stand firmly by my words.
RJ45 socket has to come back to laptops. This wifi only trend is a massive BS! Nice to see some that still have it.
Wait what? You mean to tell me there non-ultrabooks without ethernet?
@@LA-MJ well i think on notebook too. I see 1 from asus m4xxda series with r3 3200u
To be fair, Wifi6 is capable of going faster than gigabit. Not saying I don't wire everything, but wireless is technically faster than most people have wired internet.
@@kdb424 The problem with WiFi only is not speed. The problem is that you need an adapter as soon as you have to configure a router or when you install a new OS and need to download the WiFi-card driver.
@@kdb424 Yeah, but WiFi6 is super new, very few stuff have/support it. Besides, no matter how fast it theoretically is, it's still unstable by nature and even WPA3 is not as secure as cable. Besides, some things just don't work well with wifi, or don't work at all. Cable just beats wifi in any way, besides comfort.
I love how you can get to all the components. Being able to upgrade the cpu, could make this platform last a long time. Thats really cool. I Also checked out the website, if i was shopping for a laptop i would be picking this up.
agreed, although i dont think you will ever need to upgrade that cpu... its better than my expensive big desktop in performance, lol.
Seconded.
Hell I've been considering getting a laptop for when I'm travelling for quite some time now and seeing how good it is I was about to go search the prices online.... And hten he said it's a prototype. Bummer :(
@@primodragoneitaliano and if you ever move to a desktop or your existing desktop cpu dies, you can always grab that 16core beast and slot it straight in ;-)
@@socks2441 Yep ! My current PC still runs strong (i7 5820K) buut an upgrade wouldn't be unwelcome that's for sure :)
@@primodragoneitaliano It's not really a prototype, you can buy this machine from XMG or any other clevo reseller :) I'm planning to get it as well. In Poland you can get this model with 3900x, RTX 2070 2x 16gb RAM and evo 970 for like 1800 euro, which I think is great value for money.
XMG has been pretty explicit about the fact that it only works with 3200MHz native RAM NOT XMP overclocked stuff. That's what the timings were so bad on the kit they sent you. It's JEDEC rated on the standard SPD for a base speed of 3200MHz WITHOUT XMP.
Use the kit they sent you, and 3200MHz should work.
Correct: we officially support DDR4-3200 JEDEC. We have a list of compatible and tested modules in our FAQ. But if end-users want to use our BIOS Setup and make other modules work, we won't stop them. :) // Tom
@@xmg_gg Is this likely to change in the near-ish future? Could a bios/uefi update enable better compatibility?
@@xmg_gg If you use the Crucial 3200cl22-sticks, would it be possible to tune them a bit to improve performance?
@@Taraquin83 Not sure. On our side, we are committed to strictly follow the JEDEC AVL from our ODM for now. // Tom
@@Taraquin83 It looks like for now we have to use the more "basic" memory and upgrade it later on when JEDEC high frequency kits become mainstream. One of Clevo resellers lists some unspecified 3000MHz CL16 as available option (their max) which was added after testing on their side. 2666 on the other hand is common and you can look for CL 15-14 to counterbalance the frequency. I hope by the time Ryzen 4000 goes full on 3600-4000 MHz JEDEC kits will be a thing without premium tax.
what a legend
linus tech tips pointed me here
NOICE ONE on the LN Roman! :)
The hard shutdown at 10:20 was the boards EC Amps hard limit (~97.5A) being exceeded (No way to alter this via BIOS or software).
Using LN kept it afloat...but that's what a regular user will experience when trying to utilize the 3950X in any NH5xAx in a similar fashion.
Only wish they would allow these AMD CPUs to be combined in models with a 200W 2080S in MXM flavor.
I honestly would throw my bank account at the laptop you just described, if only
Well, at least one person is paying attention. Nice hardware doesn't mean much with cancer firmware castrating it.
6943 point at 55W is amazing!
126 points per watt - that's on par with the efficiency of the 4000 mobile series.
And he didn't mention a key part - contrary to the 4000 series, this CPU can be undervolted! Meaning that one can potentially get the CPU to work even more efficiently than shown in the video!
honestly a really great price as well, like seriously, there's laptops with half the cores and gpu power that cost twice as much.
I'm a simple man. Subscribed to your channel for owning a Nissan GT-R.
Solid r34 in the Profile picture
@@der8auer for a sec i thought u talk about rule34 there
No person is perfect...
der8auer: hold my ln2 pot (famous overclocker and owns a gtr)
Same
Hi guys, this is the official XMG Support, live from Taiwan! We're happy to see this review on der8auer's channel and we'd like to invite you to ask all your questions around XMG APEX 15 under this comment. We'll try to answer everything as fast and as in-depth as we can! Cheers, Tom (Feel free to upvote for visibility)
Hello! Nice to see you here. Are you planning to do a Ryzen 5600(x) and 3060 Max-P model before february?
Getting the CPU stuck to the cooler is an issue so old AMD should be ashamed of not trying to address it on AM4.
All it takes is a pressure plate to come down and lock the CPU on all sides, like Intel is doing forever now...
Maybe you should ask De8aurer to make one? All the reviews would use it for their test beds. .
I’m using carbonaut in my laptop for that specific reason when it gets here in a few days
@@sbeezynukka Do you get better cooling performance with the carbonaut than the stock solution of the APEX15 ? What are you results ?
@@PadBoll I’ve ran it since day one so I wouldn’t know how the stock paste does.
@@sbeezynukka OK, thx. I'm searching for a solution to bring temperature down and avoid noisy ventilation. The only thing I have in mind is to drill a hole under the case and stick a good old PC ventilator near the CPU/GPU...
Okay, Seasonic I get it.
It's the heart cuz it pumps electricity.
I have been trying to figure that out for a while.
Bruh
Cool to see the new Clevo computers going strong!
Reminds me of my old laptop "Clevo P651rs-g" :)
Close to what you did with LN2, I soldered on 2 slim water blocks on to the copper heat-pipes, with quick-connect water-hoses on the outside of the laptop's case.
This made the i7-8700hq and GTX1070 run close to desktop performance while connected to water, and still be a laptop to bring out of the home office.
For anyone Interested in "external laptop cooling":
The pump, reservoir, radiator, fans and a 12Vdc power supply was used separately from the computer.
Copper water blocks bought from AliExpress or equivalent with a small hose size to fit inside a laptop case.
Only water hoses connected the laptop to the cooling solution. Fanspeed was dynamic based on a thermistor and pumpspeed was at 100%.
*Note: Soldering copper blocks to the heatpipes is something i won't attempt again, it requires very high temperature from a blow torch.
I've never seen anyone just randomly ln2 a laptop. Haha I love it. Great content. Wish it was at least gen4 and gen 3 nvme. But still a nice laptop
Finally a Clevo reseller doing some smart marketing! Giving a development unit to an overclocker without limits and letting it speak for itself.
谢谢
They could add a pair of quick disconnect couplings for optional external water loop :-)
A docking station with adequate radiator could unlock the full desktop power.
That is a very interesting option, the pipeline is kind off already there, just add quick connects and you are set. It will be an expensive set up, but you get the best of both worlds.
3950X with 65 in eco mode...fuhh it's getting interesting in the portable market🔥
I don't think Intel finds this interesting at all xD
@@kumbandit yeah they had laptops with desktop CPU-s long before this
I am ordering one of these. This is a dream laptop, so many upgrade possibilities.
Thank you! Let us know if you have any questions! // Tom
Hey dude, have you successfully checked out one of this laptop? I try to check out but there is no 'US' in the list to choose for shipping...no idea why..
13:07
71 vs 96 would be a huge difference :P
just a small mistake
69 tho....nice
In German you spell the numbers backwards. Happens alot to me as well
@@derehrenturke1126 so that's why you lost 2 of them 😂😂
Home office working elements:
Laptop: Done
Charger: Done
Mouse: Done
Liquid nitrogen cooling system: Done :V
I don't know if enough people tell you this, but I really appreciate that you do every single one of your video in English as well as German, I know that doubles your work load and that you could just do German videos with English subtitles, but I really appreciate it being dyslexic!
i hope we will see more crazy OC perform in next videos. Cool channel
If the case keeps the price down, i dont care if it feels/looks from 2010
I' gladly pay 250 or 300EUR more for a proper metal case, tbh...
@@motozest7856 Exactly. Imagine putting this chip in an Alienware notebook... mmmm
Awesome, about time they made something like this, removal battery, easy to open and upgradeable ticks boxes
What a great looking workstation laptop!
A little less plastic and a lot more aluminium or magnesium would be nice just for durability but you can't deny it's got the important stuff inside.
7:48 Same in finnish. It feels like the translations are coming straight from google translator.
they probably are or using Microsoft translations.. usually the languages for software are done by people in house that happen to speak the languages or if some one in the community volunteers to send them all the translations then they'll update them.
AMD realy has to up their software ... thats still the biggest no-buy point in their GPU´s
It's almost like Ranjesh and Pajeet ran it through google translate to hindi, and then back to other languages... Oh, wait....
i'm sure alot of people will appreciate replaceable battery, easy access to internal component and of course the mounting cpu. just perfect.
reminds me of how the old thinkpads were designed. cool device
One of the key differences on the 3700X versus the 3950X is the amount of L2 cache and L3 cache. There is 100% more L2 cache and 100% more L3 cache on the 3950X, so the additional cores are not being limited by a reduced relative cache per core. If I understand it correctly, that is why there is basically no detriment to CPU performance. I am not sure if or how the power limits would affect it overall, but this could explain why it did not lose performance like in other situations when SMT is enabled/disabled.
9:45 the single core performance of tho 3950x is nearly the double of the multi core performance of my CPU
THANK YOU @der8auer your the only reviewer/youtube that i've seen that has the correct single threaded for the 3950X i have one on a AIO Castle 360EX cooler and i get between 499, 505, 510 in single threaded test on r20 depending on what's running in the background and ever since i got it since release day.... i could NEVER get the 520+ other popular reviewers have been getting no matter what i did stock,OC,PBO you name it.... and i could never figure out why.... unless they have absolutely NOTHING running in the background which is VERY UNREALISTIC in normal real world usage as they like to called it.. anyways thank you for that now im at ease lol....
I checked the prices in the configurator and am pleasantly surprised. Awesome product both for the price and in general. I just wish I had ~3200 euros for my dream build.
der8auer has shifted interest onto laptops too. That's nice, some people prefer laptops over desktops, but problem lies on current battery technology. Waiting for it to evolve and high-performance laptops don't need to tethered all the time
it is the equivilent to a sports car with a cheapish looking body or interior, but with a big twin turbo engine to get the work done when it needs to
this is a CLEVO nh55ac barebone for anyone interested in highly customizable laptops. XMG is a distributor of clevo, barebones are somewhat popular in asian countries. power delivery of the laptop much exceed the cooling capability of the stock cooler. there are lots of custom water/air hybrid cooler made for clevo barebones, at home you can run on water and push 140w to the cpu.
You have one of the best tech channels on UA-cam. I love your content. Always very innovative and interesting!
Damn, I just bought my wife a laptop. If I'd known, I would have waited... Is the LN included when you preorder or? Cheers Roman. Love your vids.
But this notebook alone without power adaptor weighs 2.6kg . Pretty heavy for a laptop .
@@fleurdewin7958 I want to make my wife a powerlifter so this will help. Lmao
@@Catalinddm this is a clevo nh55ac, if you prefer heavy lifting you should checkout clevo's other flagship 17 inch models, 5kg+ for the laptop and 1.3kg per 330w of power brick.
Looks like it's nearly time to upgrade my Asus "Eee" PC 1000 HE.
I remember these 🤣 mine broke in travels.
Nah, don't bother. It's gonna be just a marginal upgrade.
Lol, I still have mine... with the Shintel Atom Dual Core... the slowest crappiest most annoying CPU ever made... it was useless at release... it been sitting on a drawer for a long time... fixed the cooling, added the 2GB RAM, added an SSD and still slow as turtle... but this new AMD 4000 series look like a small incremental upgrade, I think I am going to wait for Atom 10980HKS I am sure Shintel will release one soon ROFL...
It is amazing what AMD has accomplished in just a few years after releasing the first ryzen... they seem to draw power from dark matter... holy cow 35watts kicking 90watts arse... amazing.
You know, in would actually like to see a very low power chip in it, just out of curiosity.
Cool video as usual my man!
BTW, still waiting for that pink TIM to hit the market :)
You can make your Ryzen CPU go low-powered by using our "Quiet" Performance profile with 28W PPT in XMG APEX 15. // Tom
@@xmg_gg i was thinking about going even lower, just of curiosity about your cooling solution and it's ability to go maybe "passive"
BTW, can you comment about the hax values in the BIOS? Why was this the system you choose?
Cool laptop anyway and thanks for the engagement, it's not every day that you see a company actually listen to the curiosities of potential costumer, but let me tell you this, it increases the chances of them becoming actual ones :)
I love how insane in german is just straight up KRANK
Your cat has a really nice resting place. Thumbs up for that.
Just the small things like using a proper thermal paste is another reason this is so good!
How long until we see a Threadripper 3000 based notebook? :)
xD
The power brick would actually be brick sized, but, oh, so worth it!
Would you imagine that? Still be way more portable than Shintel attempt to show off a 28 cores 5GHZ all core boost... 😂😂😂😂
I'd buy that.....
ok a briefcase-sized one not impossible if people wanted that kind of portable power 20inch screen just to start power!
Got this laptop coming early July, literally can't wait.
all hair user friendly/modular designs, having an actual Ethernet Port like things should, removable Battery, Et Cetera.
The last time I was this early was when Athlon was still a thing
In theory, this thing will still run an Athlon as well :-)
Better check out LowSpecGamer scrub!
Athlon still is a thing! 3000G ftw!
I wanna see what the Liquid Metal (Conductonaut?) does. Why not just go all SSD and skip SATA, for overall speed performance? I guess if you buy an extra battery or two, then you could use it for longer while unplugged. Is the battery hot-swappable presumably?
11:55 its like the cat from "alice in the wonderland" :D
One question Roman:
What if you kept the 3950x which is a higher binned CPU and disabled a few cores? make it a 8 Core 16 Threads while in gaming.. What kind of performance would we see then?
3900x its a good chip on it own spend the bucks on the mem
Disappointing that they didn't nickel-plate the coldplates, given all the enthusiast features that notebook has. Maybe they can fix that before release.
Well you just showed me the laptop that I want, love the fact that I can buy the base model w/ a 2070 and update the processor later on down the road as the 3600x is not a bad CPU to start with. Also considering the the upcoming gen of 4000 series desktop CPU's should still be using the AM4 socket so that should be a killer option.
Always love watching your content man - you never disappoint and expand my knowledge in this space
Woo, a laptop has a CPU with more cores than my desktop.
Just seen this video and, as usual, I'm amazed. I'd like to see the temperatures on that Sammy's m.2 though; that's not what I would have chosen for my OS HDD in this instance, they just get too hot for my liking and all that plastic doesn't really help with heat dissipation. Anyway, thanks for the upload. Your ingenuity is second to none. Keep 'em coming please. 😎
finally opening up and upgrading won't be messed up decision
Very nice reviewer no hype no dramas. Subscribed
I'm going to try and use bubblegum as my thermal compound like he did.
LAN Party here we come. Someday!
I don't understand everyone's distaste for plastic chassis on laptops. If they can take the money wasted on using metal for better cooling it would be a win in my book. I've yet to have a plastic laptop crack on me; maybe I'm an exception? I'm a function over form type of person though. If I was in the market for a mobile workstation this one looks amazing.
This guy functions! // Tom
I love how der8auer’s thermal paste is pink
immer wider cool neue Videos von dir zu sehen egal ob es in Deutsch oder Englisch ist.
I highly doubt that 2nd M.2 slot is running PCIe2, it's probably only using 2x PCIe3 lanes instead of 4x
Great video as always
exactly my thoughts, no way they are using gen2 in this thing
@@mscd9676 We will clarify this and reply shortly. // Tom
Aren't pcie 3x2 and pcie 2x4 equal in bandwidth?
@@gautamdiwan5952 yes, except one is only using 2 lanes
What an awesome product!
The price conversion i am running makes this a really solid deal for what you get.
Just a thought. Wouldn't it be more effective keeping the heatpipes just above 0 degrees celsius? The reson i was wondering was because the water in the heatpipes freezes when they're below 0 degrees celsius and then only the copper would transfer the heat making it less efficient.
bought one. can't wait it to be delivered
Really enjoy this video keep up the good work - especially with the liquid nitrogen hehe
I think you should've benchmarked a multiplayer game as well since we're talking about cpu's. Games with high player counts (like battle royales) require a lot of cpu performance, so I'm sure the comparison with the 3700x would've made more of a difference there.
respekt dein englisch is echt gut! man hört zwar den dialekt aber trotzdem nice!!!
I have the Sager Notebook (USA) varient of this sitting in the cart right now... all the new, slim, sleek stuff coming out with the 4000 series is neat, but I think I'm leaning towards this beast lol
Where is the 17" version then I would buy one, Please a 17" model!!!
Holy shit I want this laptop, please make it all metal on the outside
There's no point in making a laptop future proof if made from plastic that cracks/deforms easily and starts making creaking noises after a while once you carry this laptop with you.
I will keep my eyes on this laptop and how it will be when it's actually released, I like where this is going.
Absolute madlad. Liquid nitrogen in a notebook. Keep being you man. Also the phone has some camera app that you use to see framing?
Is the GPU soldered on? Really like that it seems to be welcoming those who want to detach parts/upgrade stuff themselves when the laptop starts showing age. But if the GPU is soldered it seems a bit strange to go that route. I've owned a Clevo P751DM for 5 years now. It's a chunky Clevo with a desktop CPU just like this one. It hasn't missed a beat apart from last Winter the 980M fried and stopped working. I replaced it myself with a new replacement from a reseller in China. Chucked it in, repasted and re applied thermal pads.... and it's worked like a dream ever since. However, i would like to upgrade in the next year or 2. The Apex 15 looks like my cup of tea for sure, but if there are any soldered parts - it's a complete deal breaker for me.
GPU is part of the mainboard. For MXM graphics, check out XMG ULTRA 17. // Tom
that labtop beats some of the desktops that is insane
most*
@@mscd9676 depends what you talk about heavy work load perhaps but for gaming na ;D
I'd rather it be completely open to build. Say you buy it without some parts.
I'll use the CPU I have as a spare, the RAM I already have and so on. It's time laptops become just as customizable as desktops. I want my laptop to uniquely my build.
This laptop has a CB Score of almost 7k which was what my 3900x is stock. That's nuts.
I hope that they keep the vent holes on the bottom of the laptop or maybe even add more of them
The chassis is pretty much finished. The vent holes as seen in the laptops will be kept as seen. We will start shipping pre-orders to end-customers by end of this month. // Tom
great video, most interesting ive seen in at least two weeks!
my friend got new BIOS for this machine, 1.07.02. They removed restrictions on the ppt, edc, tdc. Maybe you can rerun again after updating the bios?
Ask your buddy if he wants to share that bios?
Its all locked in mine :/ where did he get the bios?
Trying LN2 on a Laptop?? OK, this is going to be Good!!
Kind of expected a liquid metal TIM application too!!
Seems brilliant, would love a 17 inch version though, also is it a slightly different chip to the desktop ones, is it a 65w cpu or is it a normal desktop chip that is limited by the motherboard to 65w?
The 3950X is the standard Desktop CPU, being told by the BIOS to run in Eco-Mode @65W (up to 88W PPT). // Tom
While the plastic cases clevo has made don't feel that premium the plastic really is stronger and holds up better then you would think. Ive seen a door (yes a wood door of all things) fall and hit one on the wrist rest and do almost 0 damage
Clevo changed the BIOS thanks to your video
now u can not do all the adjustments anymore :)
Levono should take notes, we need a thinkpad with this design language
Evga SR2 classified motherboard on the wall is awesome!!!!
i would like to see a test or a series of benchmarks games and workloads how much is the difference between ddr4 3200mhz and 3200mhz cl16... or one more in between 19 lets say. is this even noticable? shouldn't you go for the 3200mhz 21cl for example vs the 2666mhz 16cl? the latency is that big of a difference? 🙄🙄🙄
Depend your software.
1. Need small latency
or
2. Need more bandwith
sometimes they doesn't care about latency
18"-19" (or even 21") variant with vapor chamber like it was in clevo p870 series, but improved, MXM new gen GPU slot, 4 DIMM slots so could be maxed out 128gb of ram, 2 sata slots, 1080p 144hz 1ms IPS panel with 100% adobeRGB, good sound hardware, 4.2 sound system)))
Dreams :)
Some say liquid cooling a phone is stupid. I disagree.
This is going in the right direction for sure, can't wait to have an LN2 bottle with me that I can use liquid nitrogen to cool my laptop, my phone and my watch.
that is pretty cool really surprised you was able to get as much as you did out of it on the stock cooling config I know what ya saying about the casing but agree with others its not necessary a bad thing it looking like that throw in a nice panel and I'd be good with it perhaps strengthen it up a bit but yeah its fine
Fan sounds loud! But it is in a laptop so fair play
😂😂 liquid nitrogen on a laptop well done sir. such a der8auer thing to do 👌👌
You know you're doing something questionable when your pet cat (or whatever pet you have) is questioning what you are doing!!! LOL That is a pretty sick machine though but will be a challenge to get to Australia.
The soldered GPU is the deal breaker for me
A solution to liquid metal on copper??? staying tuned der8auer!
You should do a vrm analysis next or since it's a prototype you're not allowed?
You can send it to a jewel shop to gold plate the contact areas.
Gaming benchmarks for stock performance and temperatures would be nice as well
The internals remind of my ThinkPad P71. Hey!, what's that pink paste you're using?