Fuel Storage Station
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
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Taking advantage of lower fuel prices. Now is the time to store. Single wall tanks are more economical than double wall but we encourage the tanks to be kept as constant as possible.
Growing up, when we would go visit my family that lives out in the country, they all had gas and diesel tanks like this, or the gravity ones on tall stands. I've always planned on having them, it just seems excessively convenient to basically have your own gas station at your house. I definitely would love to have enough fuel on hand to avoid buying it during the peak prices in summer, but not so much that it goes bad before using it all.
Using a automatic cutoff nozzle is a first mistake. I used to work for a trucking company with a terminal within 2 miles of the Canadian border. After dropping and picking up the load heading south I pulled up to the single diesel pump at 3 AM to fill my tractor. Imagine my surprise when I discovered the fuel nozzle was frozen?. Every time I squeezed the nozzle it immediately kicked off. The temperature at the time was minus 40 degrees. I finally had to open the passenger door window run the nozzle and hose into the cab and stick the nozzle down on the floor bye the heater outlet. 45 minutes to get it thawed out and after pulling it back outside it still wouldn't deliver fuel. I called the dispatcher and told him what was happening and he woke up the mechanic who showed up 20 minutes after I hung up the phone and unscrewed the nozzle and screwed on a manual old school nozzle which worked just fine. My next trip to that terminal the manual nozzle was still on the pump with a new sign which read
" any driver who doesn't hold the manual nozzle to fuel his truck will be fired on the spot. Use only your fingers to hold the nozzle open." The next day after the sign went up one driver was canned after he fell asleep with a piece of wood to keep the nozzle open so he could climb back into the truck to stay warm. He dumped just over 3000 gallons of fuel before he woke up. The pump was rated at 65 gallons a minute before the automatic nozzle was replaced. After that everybody fueled properly and when spring arrived the automatic nozzle went back on the hose.
It ain't fun when your about to run out of fuel cause the damn automatic nozzle is frozen when it's colder than you ever want to be out in. My second trip took me less than 8 minutes to fill both 300 gallon fuel tanks. The only pain in the rear was waiting the first minute for the gelled fuel in the pump and hose to be pushed out and the warm (50 degrees ) fuel from the buried tank to thaw out the dispenser and gelled fuel in the hose. Then it flowed like summer time. The gelled fuel that went into my tanks instantly melted because I equipped my tractor with arctic fox fuel heaters in each fuel tank and kept the fuel at 40 degrees or warmer even at minus 40 or colder.
Food for thought
James Shanks 3000 Gallons....Holy Shhhheeeeettttt..
Just an idea for ya... your shed that you put the tanks in is nice! I love the roof on it! When I was a manager at the ethanol plant, we used 'explosion proof' walls... I don't really know how 'explosion proof' it was lol, but I do know that we had two cement walls that were ran parallel for each side that were filled with rebar and concrete. The concrete parallel walls had a 6" space between them. (||) So in theory, if there was an explosion, the first wall should crumble, but the second wall would keep structural support and the metal roof, like the one that you have constructed, would blow straight up and off. I know that it's more expensive using concrete blocks etc., but with that amount of fuel... I would hate for anything bad to happen to anyone. Good job though.
The dirty little secret of fuel storage is you have to keep rotating it to keep it viable. Fuel turns to sludge faster than most people realize. Storage with Stabil addative is about 1 yr max. I can't see how you can execute a FIFO inventory management system with this setup. Recommend you choose ONE type of fuel and batch rotate between the three tanks.
+Scott Wolford For gas yes but diesel can store longer.
As for fuel types you will always need gas for chain saws/mowers/other small equipment along with smaller things like dirt bikes and quads that can get around when roads are blocked. For diesel you have the better generators, large trucks and farm equipment so having a mix of fuels is still needed.
Add in that this could be their everyday fuel if they are in the middle of nowhere. Where I am if the local gas station is down its a 20 mile drive to the next one.
+Scott Wolford Using PRI G as the stabilizer in premium gasoline that does not contain any ethanol was stored 3 years with only a slight reduction in power noticed. Cold starts were easy.
+Andrew H Would it be possible to just convert them all to run from ethanol? At least that way you could produce your own fuel (and I think it stores longer).
PRI-G and PRI-D - Far, far superior to stuff they sell at the big box store.
Bio fuels such as ethanol last less than regular gasoline. However, there are small stills available that alow you to produce fuel from waste vegetable oil. If you collect it from restaurants you could give yourself some fuel independance in the meantime and a viable system for longterm.
Diesel needs to be used within a year or you risk Deisel Bug. A big problem for boat users here in the UK where they do not use their boats enough. Unlike me as a live aboard continuous cruiser who has to keep moving.
It has been exacerbated by EU rules stating that diesel has to be 50% bio fuels as they break down faster and generally have a higher water contents. This all helps the agae ("Diesel Bug" )to form and the sludge will fairly ruin your day if it gets into your engine!
Additives only work to a limited degree. You cannot expect them to keep the fuel pristine forever. So better that you use the fuel up and refill when you get to 50 or 60%.
why use battery, pumps, charging issues, etc... our old farm tanks were elevated for good old dependable gravity feed or a raised base in the construction of that shelter
Pumps move the fuel quicker, especially through a filter.
Love the new opening sequence.
Really like the new intro, Scott.
Nice, clean and orderly install, though it looks a bit tight in the shed for getting to the manual pump.
Fuel storage, especially in bulk amounts, is a good prep against volatility in the market, allowing purchase when prices are lower and utilizing on hand supply when they are higher. Also, it is ideal for grid down situations where commercial sales of fuel would be unavailable.
No spill containment required?
I would recommend in line fuel filter/water separator on the diesel at least, can never have enough filtration, Eaton RAYCOR
Not a bad price !
What about grounding for the building and tanks against thunder storms etc ?
What about grounding for static discharge generated by those pumps they are using? This has to be the stupidest fuel storage arrangement ever. It wouldn't have been that hard for them to elevate these tanks so they can gravity feed. As for the moron operating the forklift at the start. Lucky he didn't puncture one of them.
Where I'm in Western Canada it would be around 3600 dollars in diesel the gas would be another 1100 or so. I would have filters on each of those pumps I've done a few tanks now for the company I work for its surprising how much debris is in a new tank. Have a GPI pump on one of the slip tanks it works okay but its slow they are no were near as good as a Fill Rite.
Bet that was a gas to setup. (Couldnt resist)
Nice set up!
I would prefer a manual pump, they are fool proof, no worries about electric or other problems that happen, and they are cheaper.
Nice job. Now your customer has to spend a few more thousand to fill those bad boys! That stuff is not cheap as you would think. When it is delivered buy a fuel co. Again nice job!
Hey just wanted to note that we have been out of gas in central Texas for a week now. I failed to store any and am suffering for it.
(5) gallon gerry cans and a (2) D battery operated portable pump, for next time
Serial number TRHD03 off amazon for $20👍grey and purple. Works great!
ItsVash no, a local contractor built it.
Tell that fork lift operator that one of those levers will tilt the fork assembly so he doesn't have to poke the bottom of the tank with the fork tips, cmon man. And I second the motion for a real mic, cmon man.
great job
Like the new intro, E775!
How much are one of the 300 gallon variety without the fancy pump? I need a big tank to store Ethanol.
I like the new intro .....
Hi. What are your thoughts on a 55-gallon white poly drum hdpe with the triangle with the number 2 in it....for long term gas storage?
I know a red 5 gallon gas jug has the same rating, its just red.
This is quite the controversial subject hard to get a straight answer. Thank you.
How's the fuel driver gonna fill the center tank? Crawl on top of ir?
I use a bike tube with a golf gall on the gas on my tanks ! dont lose any fumes = octane
+Theredneck Prepper huh?
+Jarrod P the tube will expand and contract with no fumes lost
+Theredneck Prepper what does that have to do with octane?
+Jarrod P I can type that much! you will have to do some studding on that bro !
+Theredneck Prepper just trying to understand what "don't lose any fumes = octane means"
Would love to know if there’s been any issues with condensation or fuel storage issues that have popped up along the way. Fixes / Solutions
how long will ethonal free unleaded gas in a 300 gallon last
the fill necks look a lil hard to get to for fuel truck
Alright engineer775, it's time to get a lapel mike. I've been watching for years now. It's time. You film around enough machinery that it would be a great benefit to your viewers. Respectfully.😜
I've noticed a lot of comments about ethanol... ethanol is corrosive because of the acidity (to prevent infection in the process of making booze... combined with CO2 that it produces when it's created...), so tanks that ship the ethanol have to be lined with glass and why it's not piped anywhere.
Just Wonderful content .Where did you get the tanks from?
VERY WAY COOL. and grounds wires?
Thank you for this topic,I have questions regards to Diesel tank structure from which material is made?
Fuel polishing system?
Are these tanks lined on the inside? Wondering about ethanol in the unleaded gas causing rust?Also is there a "best used by date" after filled for each??
+GrandsonofKong Not sure about the tanks, but different states require different levels of fuel, specific amounts you can purchase at a time, fuel storage tags (must be kept on the tanks). Some states are exempt from tax if you are zoned agriculture, which I am. If you live in colder climates and have diesel tanks then you need tank heaters. If you intend to store long-term then you need fuel preparation mix. Gas is organic and will break down, so you need to read up on petroleum fuels and how to best store your supplies.
+IrishLincoln I'm sure you probably know this already, but, Shell mid grade, at least around Charlotte is supposed to be ethanol free. You never really know, but, that's what they claim. I use it in my machinery without the same problems that ethanol gas has given me in the past. Good luck with your tanks. They look well installed.
I once asked the guy at a Station in Oregon(one of two states where you can't pump your own gas), exactly how much Ethanol was in the gas...and he said they are never told only that it can be "up to 10%" was the sticker says. I'm sure it's noted somewhere when the tanker goes out, just never shared...at least from what this guy said.
GrandsonofKong I've heard the same thing. They cut the gas depending on the price of oil and the purchase price from the refinery. I'm sure some poor soul has to figure all that math out in order to make the best profit.
Where do you find someone to buy fuel from?
Keep an eye on your diesel- you get algae growth started in there and it's pretty tough to completely clear it out. From what I understand, the most recent formulation for the ULSD gives it about 9 months before becoming unusable. Rotate that stock and keep it topped off with a quality additive.
+Mike Krueger my experience,( in switzerland), is that Diesel is good for about 24 months. after, its properties really degrade.
+piero san giorgio guys he will put some fuel stabilizer in...
Will the hand pump fitted to the 300 gal gasoline tank reach the bottom of the 500 gal diesel tank if you transfer the pump?
What kind of maintenance they require both the tanks and the shed.
I am going to store some diesel fuel in 55 gallon drums. The drum im pumping out of has to have a vent which will be removing the small cap. Do i need a dehumidifier to keep moisture out of the fuel? Thanks. Rick Hall
Nice fuel storage tanks.. How do prolong the life of your gas? How long before it goes stale?
I'll be using used 55 gallon plastic barrels with the bungs. Price? About 100 bucks. Where I live there are no codes....
Question why? That's why you get it zoned agriculture.
What do they do with the gas when its expired and they refill it with new gas ?
You mentioned Clemson so I feel I must counter with Roll Tide Roll! Thanks for another great video
How long will the diesel last in those conditions?
nice
Gas and fuel lasts longer when it is COOL. I do have a question, do you add any stuff to keep it good in summer or winter? I forget what it is called. Fist up, Fight for Truth.
Not trying to troll just wondering if I saw that one of the two diesel tanks is not level with the other...you almost said level in the video but then saw that they didn't line up...I could be imagining things I guess..... Otherwise that is an awesome set up..something I would like to have in the near future
How close to the tanks can you install the batteries, (they could be a fire hazard)?
Go Tigers!!!
like the intro
Loos good man. Btw who won the contest. It's killing me to know if I was right..
We have just gone through hurricane Matthew and have seen hundreds of trees go down on buildings and other trees. Ice storms and other weather events could wreck your nice setup. You can't mess with Mother Nature!
Why dont you make a vehicle that works on wood gas?
Watch his old videos, he use to have a '65 Ford truck that was converted to woodgas.
Fill whistles on vent line?
worried about a nutjob shooting into the building can you put armor plating five feet up from the ground
Grounding grounding grounding , sparks, lightning, etc
+Frank Harris They must be somewhere..static build-up especially on the Gasoline Tank.
+Frank Harris - And area classification. This would be Class I, Div 1 at the pump and vents, then Class I, Div.2. All conduits with seals as per NEC (NFPA 70) and no arching devices unless rated for the classification. They will also need a grounding means for the fuel truck to clamp onto. However, NFPA 780 would be the publication for lightning protection - which I don't think you need in this case. But static ground for tanks - absolutely!
What type of grounding is best?
+Coco Nice - follow NFPA 70 (NEC) Article 250. If you are looking for a brand, Burndy is the grounding leader. Erico is for lightning protection.
How many gallons is the unleaded
300
isn't this an old video? or is this a new install?
Learned very little from this humble brag video.
If you store gasoline in a 30 gallon steel drum do you need to install a vent?
+Lone Wolf it would be best if you fill it to high and it expands it will bubble and possibly rupture
does the code require a grounding system?
I was wondering the same. I didn't hear anything about grounding the tanks to protect against sparks/static.
How can I get that to Solomon Islands can you help me?
Yea what are the prices of these ?
Can I put premium in there
Have a few questions how might I be able to get In contact with you
You mentioned the tanks need to be 8' off the ground. Yet they are not, so I am a little unclear. Can you please confirm this, perhaps I heard it wrong....Love your videos!
+Jim Roshan Great, thanks for the clarification Jim...Love your videos
the top of the vent pipe where it actually vents to the atmosphere has to be 8 feet off the ground.. gotta clean the old ear canals out...
Great video but the audio is messing with my ears
Would you do this for me in Austin Texas? Serious inquiry.
Hey Engineer775 i have a quick question. Is there any reason why i couldnt use a new 275 gallon oil tank to store gasoline?
I see people storing diesel fuel in them but is there something different about gasoline that im failing to think of?
I wouldn't do it that's too big of a bomb.
@@engineer775
But is the mild steel an issue? A 275 gallon oil tank was just an example. Chances are id downgrade to a 100lb propane tank or something. My real question is more about the material. Can you store gasoline in mild steel containers?
how long will the fuel last in those storage tanks before going bad? thanks
Fuel 18 months of treated. Diesel 3 years + if treated
what are you treating the gas and diesel with. thanks
@@kyleamerica5522
What company is this
gonna show my ignorance here but ON road and OFF road Diesel? what's the difference
I was thinking the same thing. I feel bad for not knowing.
Taxes. The off road is dyed so they can detect if your using it for on road purposes (IE in your truck) and shitting them out of their road tax. You don't pay road tax on the off road.
best answer yet, thanks man
What does on road and off road gas mean?
On road diesel has a 30¢ - 40¢ per gallon tax added to it. Off road does not and is dyed red.
GPI is junk when pumping Gas went through 3 of them and none of them. warranted the first 2 before I just bought a different pump brand
Wish I had your money.
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Right
Do you have snow where this is at?
Natasha Strock yes. One storm last winter was 16 in.
Engineer775 I was just wondering if the snow drifted in. We are in Wisconsin
How much is the 300 gallon tank?
+The Tech Man a 300 gallon tank contains 300 gallons. ;)
+IrishLincoln Totally not what I meant, and you know that. 😒
Use litres for the rest of the world
@engineer775 Scott - can you do a follow-up and talk about refueling the tanks... if the intent is to have a reasonable backup of fuel, how do owners of these setups secure this fuel... is there a concern over fuel theft... etc?
All the eggs in one basket???????
Reuse them for adult beverages 😆
Go Clemson...ur not far from me!
congrats on them winning the championship
This setup is not legal in Ohio.
Go tigers
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