Should Counter Strike be so BRIGHT AND COLOURFUL?

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  • CS2's levels are suspiciously bright and colourful. But does light REALLY bleed like this? I could have gone outside to take a look, but instead HACKED CS 1.6 to display raytracing. As for whether it should be... feel free to discuss whether it should be in the comments section :P
    XASH raytracing - github.com/sultim-t/xash-rt/r...
    CS:GO maps in 1.6 - gamebanana.com/studios/34724
    0:00 - BRIGHT
    0:24 - CS 1.6 raytracing?!
    1:31 - History of CS lighting
    4:01 - Dust2 compared
    5:29 - Italy compared
    6:32 - Other maps
    8:34 - Office
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  • @lufetm
    @lufetm 11 місяців тому +3229

    Yes. We will finally see players in connector on Overpass

    • @goodguyguy5022
      @goodguyguy5022 11 місяців тому +16

      W

    • @liranp5901
      @liranp5901 11 місяців тому +59

      1 smoke and all the map is smoked

    • @Spetsnazty
      @Spetsnazty 11 місяців тому +14

      @@liranp5901I think they toned down the smoke this morning if the UA-cam video I watched was accurate

    • @dudeonlygamingandotherstuf7791
      @dudeonlygamingandotherstuf7791 11 місяців тому +10

      Through from ivy, out middle and through our connector like a speed demon.
      In RTX.

    • @TANNEDTOMBOY
      @TANNEDTOMBOY 11 місяців тому +7

      This, i can finally see people

  • @spinoodii
    @spinoodii 11 місяців тому +3511

    It adds more visual clarity and less depressing washed colors make me feel better playing even if I'm losing

    • @ALPHABYTE64
      @ALPHABYTE64 11 місяців тому +118

      A bit too bright for me

    • @slywolf_
      @slywolf_ 11 місяців тому +94

      Maps look better for sure, but it has had the opposite effect on weapons as they look flat and washed out now

    • @info7414
      @info7414 11 місяців тому +223

      @@ALPHABYTE64 Lower your monitor brightness then

    • @JustXrexX
      @JustXrexX 11 місяців тому +85

      the "depressing" washed colors make the game feel more interesting, just looking at the cs trailer from 2012, the washed colors are giving u a lot of vibes

    • @Gamper1
      @Gamper1 11 місяців тому +70

      Its literally a terrorist situation why would it not be depressing

  • @iWerli
    @iWerli 11 місяців тому +1006

    6:44 honestly, the "5:30am pre-sunrise" look is pretty sick. It would be cool to see that on a map, it would give a feeling of quiet cold sleepyness whereas the normal look feels energetic and loud in the warm afternoon lighting

    • @freezy2755
      @freezy2755 11 місяців тому +21

      Militia?

    • @veeeen
      @veeeen 11 місяців тому +10

      some cs source maps give me a similar vibe

    • @engven2453
      @engven2453 11 місяців тому +5

      More like a sunset than a sunrise. And what did you mean is "pretty sick"?

    • @AnnmusPnda
      @AnnmusPnda 11 місяців тому +8

      Yea like the Ts and CTs had a nice cup of coffee and a light sweater on before they had to head off to the battlefield

    • @EstroMunch
      @EstroMunch 11 місяців тому +44

      @@engven2453 if you’re asking about like the term itself “sick” in this context is just an english phrase for something being really cool

  • @Kevroa1
    @Kevroa1 11 місяців тому +134

    Seeing the different sun positions on the maps made me think that it would be pretty cool for maps to have a randomized time of day for that match.

    • @ububububububububub1667
      @ububububububububub1667 11 місяців тому +62

      night maps with flashlights would be a fun casual gamemode

    • @Fafr
      @Fafr 11 місяців тому +37

      maybe not in competitive, but in casual that would be so cool to have!

    • @morgboat744
      @morgboat744 7 місяців тому +3

      @@ububububububububub1667i’m really hoping we get ANY cool shit for casual. GO had a huge focus on comp play, to the point where it did away with some of the fun stuff. i’m hoping 2 can be a nice in-between

    • @ububububububububub1667
      @ububububububububub1667 7 місяців тому

      @@morgboat744 yeah

  • @existentialselkath1264
    @existentialselkath1264 11 місяців тому +406

    Old lighting gives a grungy look in dark corners. While the new look is more accurate, I wouldn't mind more dirt and grunge textures and decals to account for the new lighting.
    Some wear and tear would do a lot to counter criticism 😏, but maybe it'd hurt visibility so idk

    • @deRNmEpRrMm
      @deRNmEpRrMm 11 місяців тому +14

      Maybe we could even see the green and overgrown Cache we never got in official matchmaking!

    • @waste4245
      @waste4245 11 місяців тому +34

      Definitely miss the old "grunge" already, gotta give it some life

    • @MontySlython
      @MontySlython 11 місяців тому +3

      ​@@deRNmEpRrMm looks terrible in my opinion.

  • @dinithewinny3542
    @dinithewinny3542 11 місяців тому +75

    A hammer 2 editor video would be super sick hope its coming

    • @cringelord91
      @cringelord91 11 місяців тому +9

      Can't wait to get my hands on hammer 2. Also can't wait to learn source 2 basics with 3kliksphilip :D

    • @fridjon
      @fridjon 11 місяців тому

      Isnt it available through hl alyx

  • @Micha-Hil
    @Micha-Hil 11 місяців тому +410

    I don't think bright/crisp/realistic/high-quality graphics matter as much as visual clarity and consistent art direction. I know a lot of people say this and it's kinda repetitive at this point, but you can have a game with low-poly visuals and 64x64 textures and still have it look good with readable enemies and objectives.
    Tag: The Power of Paint is a game that I hold exceptionally close to me even after all these years. Almost all of the graphics are either black-and-white, chromatic, or flat red/green/blue. The game definitely looks flat and unrealistic, but with the three main paint colours each representing a different ability when you interact with them (red = more speed, green = more jump, blue = stick to walls), you're very easily able to figure out what everything is at a glance.

    • @mthacks4297
      @mthacks4297 11 місяців тому +2

      Exactly, look at god of war ghost of sparta imo that game looks amazing even today and it was achieved on such low powered hardware because of art direction.

    • @gangutbayern246
      @gangutbayern246 11 місяців тому +12

      @@mthacks4297 Put the recent Ultrakill in. It's the literal definition.

    • @sulphurous2656
      @sulphurous2656 11 місяців тому +11

      Never expected to see Tag: The Power of Paint come up in a conversation surrounding Counter-Strike's graphics. I love games with environments that follow those clean, minimalist looking color schemes as much as I do places in real life. Though even the dirtier and grimier games from the low poly years have still maintained good readability, something like Unreal comes to my mind.

    • @yoked391
      @yoked391 11 місяців тому +1

      @@mthacks4297 or batman arkham knight

    • @Micha-Hil
      @Micha-Hil 11 місяців тому +6

      @@gangutbayern246 Dude, Ultrakill is the bomb. Raise the roof, yo.
      The game's visuals come straight out of the PSX era but still has incredible stylization with all of its creative enemies, weapons, sound design, UI elements, and just aesthetics in general. Alongside its nutty gameplay. Because, y'know.
      Good game is good.

  • @addiebuss9060
    @addiebuss9060 11 місяців тому +16

    One of my big takeaways from this is how lighting works in CS2. It very much looks raytraced, while still retaining the performance of being (mostly) pre-calculated. Valve really does have some clever tactics up their sleeve

  • @sry4lagg
    @sry4lagg 11 місяців тому +296

    for me personally it doesnt have to be BUT you need to see your enemies clearly

    • @goodguyguy5022
      @goodguyguy5022 11 місяців тому +7

      Yeah but I feel like I can already see the enemies good at long ranges

    • @lufetm
      @lufetm 11 місяців тому +32

      The worst thing in CSGO were one way smokes, thats just a game breaking issue that they had in a most competitive FPS for 10 years which is bizzare to me and the other worst thing was visibility, for example connector on Overpass where I gamble as a T every time watching it from baloons

    • @chaosxepsilon6833
      @chaosxepsilon6833 11 місяців тому +2

      I'd argue that not being able to see your enemies,
      even though they stand right infront of you, because they blend into the background,
      isn't a bad game mechanic in on itself.
      Not everything needs to be a reaction&precision game. Why not a game of witts&deceit or hide&seek?
      edit: just don't monetize perks&advantages (in my opinion)

    • @arcueid3352
      @arcueid3352 11 місяців тому +38

      ​@@chaosxepsilon6833 well that's just stupid, not being able to see another player doesn't have anything to do with being deceitful or even wit, you just can't see them, simple as that, I've been using 150%-200% vibrance since 2017 on cs because of how terrible the visibility are

    • @HienNguyen-cs1md
      @HienNguyen-cs1md 11 місяців тому +15

      @@chaosxepsilon6833 it's not even hide and seek. Some areas are just so dark that naturally the CT blends in with the shadow which is not the intended way to play the game anyway

  • @bel_unoffical
    @bel_unoffical 11 місяців тому +7

    For CSGO's Lighting, its a mix of the dark and edgy lighting era of video games with today's modern colorful/realer lighting we usually see in maps now and in my opinion surprisingly looks great when done

  • @Sharphe
    @Sharphe 11 місяців тому +102

    I think the only problem to me is that maps are a bit too similar with the lighting. I would a map like office or aztec to be a different type of bright

    • @ViSomBusar
      @ViSomBusar 11 місяців тому +10

      Yeah some maps lose their vibes, many maps in CS2 by pictures also look to have the same skybox

    • @Sharphe
      @Sharphe 11 місяців тому +1

      @@ViSomBusar Just hope ancient or aztec is that weird swamp green it has

    • @Askemanden
      @Askemanden 11 місяців тому +12

      Well we haven’t seen all the maps yet. They will probably have different lighting.

    • @Sharphe
      @Sharphe 11 місяців тому +8

      @@Askemanden true just something I'm afraid of

    • @Chukase
      @Chukase 11 місяців тому +5

      @@Askemanden Also it is not like this could never change, at any point Valve could go "Okay, this update let's shift the mood of the environment to a different time of day".

  • @noclick
    @noclick 11 місяців тому +11

    0:21 i was expecting a case opening montage

    • @LightOffArchives
      @LightOffArchives 11 місяців тому +2

      Atomic Amnesia already started playing in my head

  • @pra1ries
    @pra1ries 11 місяців тому +26

    5:00
    The reason that the outside is so dark when standing inside is likely due to automatic exposure. Sometimes games will automatically set a "longer" exposure when you are indoors to make it easier to see, the downside of this is that when there is something like an open door or window, it is noticably very bright. It does, however, feel more realistic since it emulates your eyes adjusting to light.

  • @MikeDawson1
    @MikeDawson1 11 місяців тому +7

    don't forget, the original Half Life map editor had global illumination baking built into it! I remember in the late 90's baking GI into maps I made, and that's why over the past 20 years I'm constantly disappointed in games that come out without baked GI

  • @Deniz3n
    @Deniz3n 11 місяців тому +28

    I feel like the CS 1.6 versions of maps actually are more realistic in terms of lighting in some ways (e.g. if you're in a shaded area, bright outside areas look much brighter). I feel like CS2 is going less for realistic lighting and more for lighting everything well enough to try and fix the existing problems with distinguishing players (plus a shift in artstyle that we've already been seeing in the non-default player models in CSGO)

    • @michaeldunn8972
      @michaeldunn8972 11 місяців тому

      I love 1.6 but yeah there were some maps where you couldn't tell friend from foe in the dark cs_prodigy prime example but it was also a different time back then where things were more gritty and experimental not with all the quality of life updates and general audience considerations.

    • @wedmunds
      @wedmunds 11 місяців тому

      CS2 is brighter indoors because well... They literally added lights

    • @dylanpaul7371
      @dylanpaul7371 11 місяців тому +5

      Yeah I hate how CS seems to be on this trend of leaning towards a Pixar aesthetic. The darker washed out semi-realistic graphics of the late 90s and early 2000s is so far removed from what Counterstrike has become now, its really disappointing in my opinion. Ghost Recon, Rainbow 6, Counterstrike... they all have become infected by this tongue-in-cheek cartooniness that is so over done it is becoming tired and predictable. Keep the bright flowery Pixar stuff out of my beloved military shooters.

    • @Gaminggagreel
      @Gaminggagreel 11 місяців тому +1

      ​@@dylanpaul7371 my thoughts exactly

  • @KalkuehlGaming
    @KalkuehlGaming 11 місяців тому +26

    01:14 damn that transition. Philip is trying to level up his game.

  • @narrowgauge0727
    @narrowgauge0727 11 місяців тому +37

    I really like the gritty aesthetic of css, and cs2 just looks too clean and nice.

  • @chost-059
    @chost-059 11 місяців тому +11

    Thx philip for the hammer editor tutorials, ive recently gotten interested in starting to make CS maps as a new hobby, ive been wanting to quickly learn the basics and get up to speed so im ready to join the hype when CS2 rolls around, your vids have greatly helped me to get started

  • @Toothily
    @Toothily 11 місяців тому +12

    CS2’s aesthetic is quite nice, but I wish it felt less “flat”. Give it just a dash more contrast, for depth.

    • @Evanthesurfer
      @Evanthesurfer 11 місяців тому +1

      I think they dont do this because they're worried about it looking cartoony

  • @ikiwyu
    @ikiwyu 11 місяців тому +15

    So the main thing I learned in this video is that you can get 90% of the results you'd get with raytracing using rasterized techniques and the game will run much faster as a result

    • @burgerindividual
      @burgerindividual 11 місяців тому +3

      AO isn’t necessarily a cheap effect in terms of performance, but it definitely gets the job done quicker than RT could in CS2

    • @fearedjames
      @fearedjames 11 місяців тому +2

      Basically anyone who knows shit about algorithmic efficiency will say that ray tracing is unbelievably wasteful an effect for almost unnoticeable dynamism visually.
      Theres 2012-2015 ish games that killed their performance with just normal dynamic lighting that didn't need to be there. Why would you look at that and think to add something as overly expensive as ray tracing?
      The only really logical use for ray tracing is in a limited way with reflections. You can get almost identical results with much cheaper effects and it wont quadriple the render time.

    • @ikiwyu
      @ikiwyu 11 місяців тому +2

      @@fearedjames it's not wasteful, its perfectly useful for lining Jensen's pockets. Jokes aside, raytracing does still have practical applications in cg films where renders can take as long as the film studio needs before the movie's scheduled for release.

    • @fearedjames
      @fearedjames 11 місяців тому +1

      @@ikiwyu Its perfectly good for pre-rendering yes.

    • @theblah12
      @theblah12 9 місяців тому

      So long as you’re ok with every large shadow casting prop being bolted to the floor. That’s fine for a competitive game like Counter Strike but limiting for a single player game where you expect more environmental interaction, the whole design of the game has to be built around a largely static environment to get the best out of pre-baked lighting.

  • @TRRDroid
    @TRRDroid 11 місяців тому +146

    I don't mind the brightness too much but a lot of areas seem way too clean now in my opinion

    • @blvrrimg
      @blvrrimg 11 місяців тому +4

      other maps look good, dust 2 could be toned down

    • @FormulePoeme807
      @FormulePoeme807 11 місяців тому +4

      Yeah, Nuke and Overpass look way too clean
      Meanwhile some maps like Dust was turned full desertic and it take away from it ngl

    • @TRRDroid
      @TRRDroid 11 місяців тому +7

      @@FormulePoeme807 Yeah like, how is a super clean industrial complex realistic? Also some very minor complaint: In the original CS:GO trailer Nuke was showcased as a map set in Germany. Nowadays it doesn't really look like that anymore.

    • @saricubra2867
      @saricubra2867 11 місяців тому

      In my opinion, sometimes CSGO has unecessary visual information that hurts gameplay.

    • @zetazane
      @zetazane 11 місяців тому +1

      @@TRRDroid they changed it a while back, its not 2012 anymore lol

  • @scharkonline
    @scharkonline 11 місяців тому +40

    The art style is still pretty faithful, so changing some saturation and brightness doesn't bother me. Would love to see future maps make use of updated lighting engines, taking place in the early morning or at night with additional light sources baked in

  • @un1d
    @un1d 11 місяців тому +10

    Honestly even though I started on GO I always thought that counter strike source’s maps looked the best. Something about the warm lighting and good art direction that still left a lot to imagination captivates me, without it going overboard on bright colours and saturation like later GO maps

    • @mlgmcdonaldsland7063
      @mlgmcdonaldsland7063 11 місяців тому

      This isn't good art direction. This is being half flashed constantly.

    • @TheRadioSquare
      @TheRadioSquare 11 місяців тому +2

      @@mlgmcdonaldsland7063 Try going outside at least once in your life

    • @mlgmcdonaldsland7063
      @mlgmcdonaldsland7063 11 місяців тому +1

      @@TheRadioSquare that's a pretty sad response tbh. Obvious projection. "YOU DISAGREE WITH ME??!?!? You just never go outside"

    • @TheRadioSquare
      @TheRadioSquare 11 місяців тому +2

      @@mlgmcdonaldsland7063 You do never go outside. If you did, you wouldn't find normal lighting to be blinding.

    • @mlgmcdonaldsland7063
      @mlgmcdonaldsland7063 11 місяців тому +1

      @@TheRadioSquare You must stare directly into the sun when you imagine what going outside would be like by peering out your window

  • @vitorprod
    @vitorprod 11 місяців тому +16

    The light are too much yellow in Mirage update CS2 and there are some leaked images that look the same on the other maps, different from previous showed.

    • @Deezsirrer
      @Deezsirrer 11 місяців тому

      Hmm no it look good enough to look like real life. But the lack of rock,dirt,dust for the ground making it very flat unlike dust2

  • @myztklk3v
    @myztklk3v 11 місяців тому +3

    oh man, showing the maps from CZ. I never played CZ for very long, but it was nice that it included some new maps that eventually died and were forgotten.

  • @dasheesh3461
    @dasheesh3461 11 місяців тому +7

    Can we talk about that massive change to long hall on Italy with what looks like a new connector to mid. Hopefully they intend to make more hostage maps suitable for competitive and available to play. I’m newer to csgo and have never gotten to play 5v5 on assault or italy.

  • @Brendissimo1
    @Brendissimo1 11 місяців тому +19

    Notably though, that mod for HL1 received a lot of criticism for how absurdly bloomy and bright it made the game. It's an aesthetic choice, one which drastically alters the way Half Life 1 was supposed to look with the original art direction. I think, with some exceptions, there are plenty of perfectly reasonable ways to recapture the look of baked lighting from original 1.6, Source, and GO maps with newer lighting systems. After all, a lot of how the ground reflects sunlight IRL depends on what kind of sunlight it's getting - how the sky looks that day, what color it is, etc.

  • @DiscoBallGaming
    @DiscoBallGaming 11 місяців тому +3

    personally the bright colors are a little off, the CSGO maps feel gritty and lived in, and I kinda like that, but the only one that I think is over the top is some of the lighting on Nuke, it seems a bit TOO bright. otherwise I don't mind it

  • @bindlesairsoft408
    @bindlesairsoft408 11 місяців тому +10

    Counter-Strike’s future is looking “Bright”… I will see myself out

  • @oancemr
    @oancemr 11 місяців тому +3

    Finally new 3kliks video!!!
    As a side note, I think CS2 uses a larger colorspace, that's why the maps don't look blown out. In order to simulate the sun, it needs to be really bright, so the colors need more bits to represent all the light values. It would be nice if you could get in touch with the developers and ask some technical questions about the new engine calculates light. IMO, CS1.6 and CS:GOs ray traced versions look so blown out because the color space is limited and the game can't represent both really high brightness AND deep shadows at the same time. It would be nice to have some more contrast in CS2 though as the colors look kinda flat, like what you would get by filming in a raw format with a dslr.
    Also, would be a cool adition to have color profiles in video settings like "Flat","Saturated", "Warm" etc

  • @shardul52
    @shardul52 11 місяців тому +4

    A video that actually shows gems among forgotten maps, how an amazingly well done map

  • @arekrekas213
    @arekrekas213 11 місяців тому +3

    8:56 i didn't know Gordon Freeman was transitioning

  • @santiagodepol6640
    @santiagodepol6640 11 місяців тому +1

    8:45 that Frozen Lake skybox on Source 2 would be inspired by the Laguna del Inca, in Portillo, Chile, close to the border with Argentina

  • @shutupliam_
    @shutupliam_ 11 місяців тому +7

    Yes so i can turn off the insane amounts of colour vibrance i put on to make csgo visible

  • @mKoya
    @mKoya 11 місяців тому +15

    In 1.6 rt version there is auto exposure that makes outside very bright when standing inside ct spawn which is realistic since you can't compare intensity of artifical light and sun light on a sunny day, while cs go and cs 2 have constant exposure so they have to make inside brightness comparable to outside.

    • @hashbrown777
      @hashbrown777 11 місяців тому +1

      I think he missed the point; it wasn't glowy at all. CS2 everything was basically lit to the same level as if glowing, whereas 1.6rt had a healthy amount of contrast where inner areas get progressively darker.
      He mentions that there's some artificial lighting in the cs2 one but that little globe shouldnt make as much light as the sun. It's as if the lightbounces in CS2 never drop in intensity as they reflect. That outdoor scene with the statue the sun would overpower any reflected green from the grass, and it's absurd that the top of the head would green up..
      He's fishing for excuses on why it's "accurate" but it really does look worse. Other than the shadows, you could probably just do away with the lighting and just have ambient lights and it'd look very similar :| just the fact that you need ambient occlusion to compensate for areas light shouldnt reach means the lighting system is not working 100%

  • @elliot9634
    @elliot9634 11 місяців тому +5

    awesome as always phillip. i could not imagine anyone else doing what you do for us.

  • @wek33
    @wek33 11 місяців тому

    mirage at 6:46 is looking like later evening. still warm after a hot day, as a refreshing humid breeze blows through.

  • @AngelSonevski
    @AngelSonevski 11 місяців тому +5

    Phillip what's your opinion on the new loadout system? Personally I think limiting options like that is never good and without huge rebalancing it will result in a lot of forgotten weapons unfortunately

  • @yoked391
    @yoked391 11 місяців тому +10

    they need to darken the colors and add some grit/dirt textures to compensate for the brightness

    • @Deezsirrer
      @Deezsirrer 11 місяців тому

      Yup. The texturing is very poor, If the map imported to Unreal 5 it will still look lacking Like its a preview model

  • @imalsoTOMATO
    @imalsoTOMATO 11 місяців тому +2

    Can you do a video of comparisons of the 1.6 CSGO maps? I thought even though the sun looks different it would still be awesome to look at

  • @lknight1266
    @lknight1266 11 місяців тому

    0:21 man I almost fell into a gambling addiction and had the music playing in my head 😂

  • @Fasguy
    @Fasguy 11 місяців тому +8

    Valve's engines always have this odd feeling in the presentation, that instantly makes them recognizable. Be it GoldSrc, Source or Source 2, you can usually tell pretty easily. It really is a weird phenomenon.

  • @abdoreda7126
    @abdoreda7126 11 місяців тому +141

    I feel most maps have lost their ambience and atmosphere, it's like they have been cleaned and polished waay too much that they lost their distinguishable character.

    • @highground66
      @highground66 11 місяців тому +1

      U got a point

    • @sulphurous2656
      @sulphurous2656 11 місяців тому +50

      Everything kind of feels like an Overwatch map now imo with how washed out and bright the lighting feels. I still prefer the 2013/2014 look of the game.

    • @JustXrexX
      @JustXrexX 11 місяців тому +1

      @@sulphurous2656 +++

    • @FrancisDoubleA
      @FrancisDoubleA 11 місяців тому +15

      i still remember back then when csgo used to have gritty and dark aesthetics on their maps which it fits very well just like half life 2 and max payne

    • @TheJayson8899
      @TheJayson8899 11 місяців тому +1

      @@FrancisDoubleA griddy and dark

  • @pereira9999
    @pereira9999 11 місяців тому +1

    textures are looking insane in 1.6 raytraced... from far view, they have really good bump mapping, and from close view, they have this pixelated details that i instantly fell in love into with this plus lightning effects.

  • @MrWoodenSheep
    @MrWoodenSheep 11 місяців тому +1

    Great video, as always!
    What's the song used that starts at 6:08?

  • @latzulatzu5521
    @latzulatzu5521 11 місяців тому +3

    Will you make guides for map making in cs2 when it comes out?

  • @ent.8764
    @ent.8764 11 місяців тому +45

    Personally, I am very happy with dark areas being made brighter to improve visibility, but I think in turn it's been overdone in the normally-bright areas.

  • @Blueskies2513
    @Blueskies2513 10 місяців тому +1

    real life is pretty bright sometimes, some houses in my neighbourhood are a sandy color and cs2 captures the brightness and how vibrant it is in the summer pretty well

  • @user-sl6gn1ss8p
    @user-sl6gn1ss8p 11 місяців тому +1

    One thing to note about this comparison is that the baked lights on 1.6 (and earlier and later : p) had quite a few knobs you could turn. So light could bounce more, or less, shadows could be softer or harsher, the light of the sun and shadows could change, you could add ambient light, brightness, gamma, etc, etc. All of this was under the artistic control of whoever was compiling the map and was taken in consideration when authoring textures and setting up lights.
    Swapping the lighting for ray-tracing just throws away all of that artistic intention, to a point I don't think it's fair to say it's "more accurate", since it's not what the maps were developed for to begin with: they were made to look as intended on the rendering system of the time, not as real places to be simulated by the engine.
    You definitely could make bright and saturated maps in the old games, so the artistic intention is clear.

  • @kellenwalburn5238
    @kellenwalburn5238 11 місяців тому +3

    My only complaint right now is the lighter colors look TOO vibrant. Like if you play for a long time you'll start to get eye fatigue. However, I don't have access to the Beta, so I'm only going off the videos and photos I've seen. When i first saw A site mirage I thought "wow... that's really bright and vibrant. Almost painful." But I'm open to it. I'll give it a shot when the game releases. I'm still VERY optimistic

  • @TheShkar
    @TheShkar 11 місяців тому +15

    I remember, that Aztec supposed to be Grey-Green, Prodigy - Purple/Blue/Grey, Storm - brown, Survivor - white, Assault - blue all the way, and at different times of day... And only Dust 1-2, Arabstreets and a couple of others were supposed to be yellow/orange. In CSGO EVERY map has some sort of yellow, dusty filter in it, which I hate.
    It brings joy to my eye, that colors are finally back, and environment on each map is gonna be different color-wise.

    • @ububububububububub1667
      @ububububububububub1667 11 місяців тому

      office isn't very yellow

    • @TheOnlyCoolAndHandsome
      @TheOnlyCoolAndHandsome 11 місяців тому +2

      I like early csgo maps colours, from 2013, dust2 gray, nuke gray, mirage gray, cache gray, inferno gray, militia green but dim. Cobblestone was also green and dim. Looking at anubis now makes my eyes burn

  • @LucarPlayz
    @LucarPlayz 11 місяців тому

    This is such a cool video Phillip.. You always amaze me

  • @rudebox5688
    @rudebox5688 8 місяців тому +2

    Fam this game hurts my eyes. I never had this with any other game. It feels like I've been staring at the sun

  • @sayyiddaffam6822
    @sayyiddaffam6822 11 місяців тому +3

    Nostalgia when you showed old and forgotten maps like de_tides

    • @XanderNiles
      @XanderNiles 11 місяців тому

      And de_truth. Classic Condition Zero maps.

  • @creeproot
    @creeproot 11 місяців тому

    hey Phillip, I just wanted to chime in and let you know that i’ve been watching your videos for quite a few years now, and that i can attest that your witty, informational yet engaging style has only matured and improved over time. i think one is able to stand out for the quality of their work if we are able to enjoy said quality independently of whether or not the work relates to something we are interested in, which is inherently bound to capture our attention, and i think that’s the case here.
    a lot of my younger years were spent cozied up some place watching UA-cam video essays. most of the content i consumed back then revolved around things which I’ve now either grown out of or simply don’t engage with much anymore, and when this element is factored out of the equation, it’s up to the videomaker to reel you into the topic and connect the dots; to illustrate with words and visualise with editing, and to bring the viewer standing outside of the subject into it, invest them.
    id be lying if i were to say i’m your biggest fan, that i watch all of your videos all the time, or even that i play CSGO nowadays, because i rarely do really - but you are one of those content creators that I’ve continued following despite this because I’ve grown to appreciate the simple but carefully crafted way in which you go about exploring specific, obscure and seemingly mundane things and poking at them to show us that there’s always more under the surface. I would have never for the life of me wondered how pre-baked map lighting in GoldSRC differs from its Source counterpart, and more importantly i don’t think i would have ever cared - but the skill lies in the fact that i now do, and that ultimately comes down to the raw ability to explain and to interest the viewer. and so, the nostalgic feeling of coziness emerges in me again, as i follow along with the same involvement i had when i watched sitting in the school bathroom stalls during break time.
    sorry for the long comment, i hope you keep going 3kliksphillip, peace

  • @NiKeMTA
    @NiKeMTA 11 місяців тому +37

    The washed and dark colors are mostly going to be missed because of the nostalgia factor, I alrady feel nostlagic when loading up a game on old Nuke. For the sake of visibilty a more colorful game is definitely not a bad change.

    • @nerovar23
      @nerovar23 11 місяців тому +2

      Today will be tomorrow's nostalgia my friend :D

    • @FrancisDoubleA
      @FrancisDoubleA 11 місяців тому +2

      ngl i felt like old csgo nuke have more personality and aesthetics, but also i think csgo/cs2 should add an option where players can have compvision (competitive vision) where everything is so bright and colorful and ones that stick to the dark and gritty aesthetics, its just like tf2 pyrovision except its for graphic preference

    • @creativecipher
      @creativecipher 11 місяців тому

      @@nerovar23 Great saying :)

    • @IrrationalDelusion
      @IrrationalDelusion 11 місяців тому

      I just hate sunny desert day

    • @IrrationalDelusion
      @IrrationalDelusion 11 місяців тому +1

      @@FrancisDoubleA Then everyone will use it…. It’s disgusting. Just make colors realistic without artificial shine of superlighting same sun everywhere

  • @greenstargin5321
    @greenstargin5321 7 місяців тому

    Your music kit is wicked, I run it all the time

  •  11 місяців тому +1

    7:57 nice bit of poetry/rap going on here

  • @AustinH7
    @AustinH7 11 місяців тому +52

    CSS is peak art style. It’s cozy, bright and realistic

    • @muneerthepioneer6306
      @muneerthepioneer6306 11 місяців тому +17

      i think cs go should use fortnites art direction maybe add pickaxes instead of the regular boring knifes

    • @Oodelally
      @Oodelally 11 місяців тому +9

      CSS’ textures are beautiful and I will die on that hill, that and the lighting are much better than in CSGO

    • @veeeen
      @veeeen 11 місяців тому +6

      @@Oodelally agree, loading up Inferno in CSS feels so cozy every time

    • @1337Ox
      @1337Ox 11 місяців тому +6

      @@veeeen man CSS Inferno looks sooo good, I remember I hated that map because I used to have low fps there, good old days

    • @IrrationalDelusion
      @IrrationalDelusion 11 місяців тому

      YESSSSS

  • @DeathMonkeys
    @DeathMonkeys 11 місяців тому +2

    As I’m getting older I find it harder to see in dark areas so I quite frankly like the brightness increases.

  • @Pvydrow
    @Pvydrow 11 місяців тому +1

    I would like them to at least tweak some of the contrast in the lighting, dark coreidors are just so bright right now that it just doesn't even look right or realistic, it's just BRIGHT bright, besides that though, the slight bit of colorful bounce lighting is welcome and the lighting itself is much better obviously, just these things that need and deserve tweaking for the final release

  • @ESCalation
    @ESCalation 11 місяців тому

    Great video. My thoughts exactly!

  • @chesement4131
    @chesement4131 11 місяців тому +3

    5:47 i wonder if the color bleeding may actually ruin the vision of the map makers. if they thought italy (real italy) looked a certain color, would the resulting purple color cancel out their vision? is this something that cs2 mappers may need to think about?

  • @alexzom12
    @alexzom12 11 місяців тому +30

    To me, I do believe color change does lowers the vibe of a hostage situation or a literally boming attack, but it does lighten up my gaming mood and will be willing to play longer

    • @Gaminggagreel
      @Gaminggagreel 11 місяців тому

      Are you a robot designed to compliment valve on their quest to better player retention? That was the most bot comment ive ever seen.

    • @alexzom12
      @alexzom12 11 місяців тому

      @@Gaminggagreel bot or not,that is just my opinion

    • @Gaminggagreel
      @Gaminggagreel 11 місяців тому

      But thats almost like complimenting EA for their great implementation of microtransactions on their games: "i will gladly pay". I dont know im sorry.

  • @boiledcabbage5395
    @boiledcabbage5395 11 місяців тому

    Cant wait for your Hammer 2 editor tutorials

  • @papahellmann
    @papahellmann 10 місяців тому +1

    Now I won’t have to burn my eyes looking at my browser because I had to turn the brightness up to see people in certain spots

  • @MegaPancakez
    @MegaPancakez 11 місяців тому +5

    The nostalgia I got from you going through some of the older 1.6 maps blew my mind. Banger vid.

  • @Bendwow
    @Bendwow 11 місяців тому +7

    As good as the newer and updated maps look, I miss the grittier look and feel of older games/maps. I won't mind the new versions of cs2 as long as they don't look too cartoony.

  • @YorkieKilla
    @YorkieKilla 11 місяців тому

    Hey Philip, could you do a video overviewing the new Hammer editor? Would love to see what they have done with it!

  • @profuscadriver
    @profuscadriver 11 місяців тому

    Thanks that made me feel a bit better now onto movement 🙏

  • @Kacpa2
    @Kacpa2 11 місяців тому +13

    I think best result would be baking in the raytraced lighting permanently into the map, so it doesnt shift around and bug out.

    • @meyr1992
      @meyr1992 11 місяців тому +2

      what ??? what is the difference between that and normal baked in shadows, it needs to shift around for it to be realistic

    • @sentientsausage684
      @sentientsausage684 11 місяців тому

      Not to mention the map size would be atrociously huge

    • @rainbowflash5937
      @rainbowflash5937 11 місяців тому

      ​@@meyr1992 Exactly. Baked lightning did Raytracing ages ago already but well it's static and won't change its basically a static texture.

  • @branislavcunta7763
    @branislavcunta7763 11 місяців тому +8

    I prefer moody 1.6 aesthetic with all its dark night maps and dogs barking in the background.
    But I grew up in the times when dark and edgy was all the rage so I can't judge too much.

    • @ububububububububub1667
      @ububububububububub1667 11 місяців тому

      that's true, part of why I like how the old maps look is a lot of playing older games lol.

  • @reunionisland7940
    @reunionisland7940 11 місяців тому +1

    the 1.6 raytraced shadows showcasing interior/exterior lighting contrasts on different versions of dust 2 reminds me of earlier in csgo's lifespan before lighting adjustment was added and peering into tunnel was like staring into the abyss and glancing outside was the equivalent of staring into the sun

  • @dentron9885
    @dentron9885 11 місяців тому +2

    I think they had to bump the brightness for the visibility/blending problems they created with the player skins, it was pretty bad in some areas. I would still prefer a toggle off for showing default only skins, but valve shows an unwillingness to do so.

  • @pantzforhire
    @pantzforhire 11 місяців тому

    Super fascinating, also reassuring to see Valve promote this vid on the official CS account especially when the vid explicitly mentions mods and fan demakes of CSGO maps.

  • @Cup_70
    @Cup_70 11 місяців тому +6

    It's a bit too over exposed for me, but perhaps it will look different in game once I can tweak some settings.

  • @FenNick1994
    @FenNick1994 11 місяців тому +3

    There really has to be a point where yet another remake of a game does add different visual themes like this.
    So long as the older games still have some players, everyone can be happy.

  • @harryyu8469
    @harryyu8469 11 місяців тому

    hi 3kliks, got any plans on map making videos for cs2? kinda want to start working with the new hammer but just don't know where to start. videos about importing old maps could also be useful!

  • @lobotomy46m
    @lobotomy46m 11 місяців тому +1

    man you or your father's music you use in the background, it feels like the Emotional End of a Movie. you make it seem so Dramatic it makes you cry for no reason 😂 great work

  • @TDPEquinox
    @TDPEquinox 11 місяців тому +2

    3:00 Weapons dropped do have shadows..

  • @risheeeesh512
    @risheeeesh512 11 місяців тому +3

    Phil, are you superior or inferior to Phil Neville?

  • @AnonTen
    @AnonTen 11 місяців тому +4

    FYI, Half-Life: Ray Traced has a hardcoded small bounce limit, which is probably why it matches CS:GO more than CS2, when it does. Otherwise the sun is just that much brighter in there than in CS2.
    Oh and also, there's a (minor?) bug in HLRT with how sky light ignores surface albedo, so green grass may appear purple if the sky is purple, even though green grass can not reflect red and blue.

  • @viniciuslwb
    @viniciuslwb 11 місяців тому

    Hello, could you do a comparison on steam profile picture on cs go or 2, when you have an animated profile picture featuring effects on the animation it usually slows down performance in game when you have the second plane steam running on background, in my case it increases input lag and server variation a lot. when i close the friends tab it goes away.

  • @Spetsnazty
    @Spetsnazty 11 місяців тому

    I hope you were enjoying the vacation that I assume you were on during the latest update.

  • @Nick-ij5nt
    @Nick-ij5nt 11 місяців тому +2

    I've always had my gamma and digital vibrance turned up really high so I'm in love with the CS2 lighting.

  • @Irelius
    @Irelius 11 місяців тому +4

    Philip seems to never disappoint in any video he makes, a true legend

  • @NicholasMoran
    @NicholasMoran 8 місяців тому

    how do you control all three photos exactly the same? @5:20

  • @Peter-gb4ey
    @Peter-gb4ey 11 місяців тому +1

    What I'd enjoy is seeing those CS:GO maps in workshop that are night time and then ray trace those!

  • @ThatOtherAndi
    @ThatOtherAndi 11 місяців тому +11

    The better and brighter lighting in CS2 is literally THE new feature for me. I'm highly visually impaired and I can barely play CS:GO on master guardian elo. This will change a lot for me, can't wait to get my hands on it.

  • @kingbump6829
    @kingbump6829 11 місяців тому +9

    Looks like they're trying to be Valorant. In the name of visibility, I say Valve should replace all the level geometry with white cubes and also add thick bright outlines around every player.

  • @MediumKeyCubbage
    @MediumKeyCubbage 11 місяців тому

    I know that the music in this section is Crossing Those Islands but anything after 5:52 sounds really good, i was wondering if the song got updated cuz i really really like how this sounds, where can i hear the whole thing?

  • @sacks7544
    @sacks7544 11 місяців тому

    id like to see night and day versions of the maps

  • @FireRappers
    @FireRappers 11 місяців тому +3

    It looks... plasticky? I don't like it. Bring back the mood lighting.

  • @Ge0Mancer7
    @Ge0Mancer7 11 місяців тому +7

    I miss the old, more gritty style of CS:GO. Before the Dust2 overhaul, before panorama. It seemed more serious. Now CS2 is more colourful than a playground!

    • @weplo1597
      @weplo1597 11 місяців тому

      I agree. Cs feels like Tf2 now

  • @SolarMoth
    @SolarMoth 11 місяців тому

    i love that you obsess about this stuff!

  • @YTruls
    @YTruls 11 місяців тому

    I was expecting an overview and your thoughts on the newest update

  • @amyshaw893
    @amyshaw893 11 місяців тому +5

    honestly, yes, i think it should be. with the player models so dark, it really helps them stand out well and increases readability

    • @thechugg4372
      @thechugg4372 11 місяців тому

      If visibility is what matters why do we even have characters? Lets all be giant cylinders walking around... Thats just a dumb argument.

    • @amyshaw893
      @amyshaw893 11 місяців тому

      @@thechugg4372 if visibility doesnt matter when why do we even have graphics at all?

  • @JaySea04
    @JaySea04 11 місяців тому +8

    I think cs2 looks good but it's a tad too bright, for instance mirage CT spawn. Also I feel like the dark areas aren't dark enough

    • @cheatoffchannel6320
      @cheatoffchannel6320 11 місяців тому +1

      Turn down brightness in the settings...

    • @lufetm
      @lufetm 11 місяців тому

      Yeah but if you darken dark areas and leave bright areas bright then visibility would worsen

    • @JaySea04
      @JaySea04 11 місяців тому

      @@lufetm Yeah its difficult, I think one thing they can change without impacting visibility is the viewmodels though. When you’re in the shade they look all washed out and grey. Hard to describe really

  • @kipchickensout
    @kipchickensout 11 місяців тому

    "As I expected" 😹
    Lovely video again!

  • @markbangug469
    @markbangug469 11 місяців тому

    @3kliksphilip Are you planning to make tutorial content for the Source 2 Hammer editor? Would love to see one soon!