How TPs (ENTP INTP ISTP ESTP) Show Care / Love ft. ISTP Chufue
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- Опубліковано 2 лип 2024
- Chufue and I discussed how Ti users want others to make fully informed decisions, just as they want to make fully informed decisions for themselves.
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There are few joys greater than being able to help someone else make the most-informed decision possible.
I agree with the other commenters who mentioned that his viewpoint on autonomy is similar to an INFP's. We also believe in giving the person the freedom to choose what makes sense to them. However, with pessimistic Ne, I can foresee the bad consequences of a person's actions and if I care about them , I will try to warn them about it.
Ironically, the role that people play, is a hint at the role they want you to play. High Ti users value autonomy and good emotionless information, so that's what they want to give to you. You make the decision because you'll feel better that way, we'll help fill in gaps and help point out any possible reasoning issues. This is what makes us feel safe and operating more effectively ourselves when others give us this respite. All high Ti users also have Se or Ne high up. Hence get information and use Se/Ne/Ni to experiment/make sense of all the options. They are biased towards wanting options and freedom. I've noticed many people aren't actually helped by all the information, because it's hard to transfer all the important context, and they don't have the tools to/don't want to go through the effort of make sense of all the information in context. Te users can get annoyed for this reason, and many people want a shortcut (myself included sometimes), to use other people's feelings about the info to come to a pretty good, though mostly non-ideal decision quickly.
While I agree with the majority of the things you said, I'm not sure if I agree with the term "role", as sounds like a certain, specific type of position within a group. I think INTPS and ISTPS like having their specific Ti-dominant role in groups . With this I mean It's my impression most types want a certain role in a group and if 5 other Ti-doms are already talking that role in a group of 7 people, then they might have the idea they are contributing as much, as there is no "Ti-deficiency" . Most people like being helpful/useful to others because that feels meaningful ot them and since Ti doms are so orientated towards informing others about their perceptions and will mention what makes sense to them, it is only really a valuable trait within the group dynamic if it's not already accounted for. An EFJ on the other hand with poor Ti may *crave* to be informed by an ITP because they feel they have limitations in that department. So when they receive the info with gratitude, which in turn make their role in the group easier and more effective because now that weak Ti is somewhat helped before theyuse it in their role as Je lead or take action with their Je (Fe). In a similar manner I believe typical INTPs actually crave some warmth and affirming words that EFJ's typically give out to people, which mean in the end it's a win-win situation where everyone contributes doing their what they can give most easily, because they simply have _abundance_ of it. (poeple typically have an abundance of their dom function)
@@PowerRedBullTypology I see where you're coming from here. Yeah, role is slightly misleading, even more so than I originally intended. Because it was misleading was why I put ironically, which I again understand isn't precise. I have an unfortunate bent towards eluding to concepts and using slightly the wrong word to evoke other natural thoughts on a word. Your back story on role was what I was going for as a secondary thought.
I actually think I do this for reasons that are actually spelled out in the video. I don't want to do the thinking for someone. Only introduce other ideas to chew on. I also don't want to seem like I know what I'm talking on the topic, for similar reasons and I really don't know what I'm talking about so I want that to be at least hinted at. Though, I'm sorry if the first sentence doesn't make this clear enough. Lastly this is a way I like thinking, with multiple meanings at the same time.
Thank you, that just blew my mind. As a strong Te user, I get so frustrated and some of your explanations made so much sense. I always want to get to the point, perhaps dominate things and with my close Ti users it goes south. I never saw it explained so well, thank you.
So cool. Ti and Fi remind me so much of each other, but about different things. Like our intentions are the same, but the subjects are different. He sounds like I do, but about objects, where my subject would be about whatever makes you happy/feel good/likes. So cool. (Aux Fi)
Is she INFP?
@@irenegronegger8972 No, Joyce is INFJ
@@irenegronegger8972 No, Joyce is an INFJ
@@irenegronegger8972 No, Joyce is an INFJ
@@irenegronegger8972 No, Joyce is an INFJ
Thank you for sharing this interesting pattern of behavior. It corresponds well to my brother INTP.
Just as data dumping on kids, for them to make their own decisions, would be an obvious disaster, similarly, adults are effectively kids when they are completely lacking foundational knowledge or experience. "We are our brother's keeper."
Just let us care in peace, damn it! No need to label it. Too much feeling. Leaving now. Good day. (:
INFPs are the exact same way. They would never tell you what is right or wrong for you regarding your values or feelings or desires. That goes against your autonomy.
And as an INTJ, I am the same way when it comes to feelings. I passionately defend people’s rights to feel exactly how they feel and that’s always valid. I would NEVER tell another person how to feel. An ISFJ coworker once told me how to feel and in my mind, there was about to be a fight. Of course I kept that fury to myself (clearly she would have then told me I wasn’t allowed to feel that fury either, so she lost the privilege of ever getting to know how I felt again on anything that matters to me) so no, I feel how I feel and it’s nobody’s place to judge that.
But as a Te user, I definitely would provide advice (not demanding anything of course that is not my place) on a process or skill if someone asked me. Not everyone wants to do their own thinking and it’s not my place to tell them they should or shouldn’t think. If they want my help and I enjoy providing it, that’s a win-win. 😊
" Not everyone wants to do their own thinking"
As an ISTP, this CRAZY to me. Unfathomable even. How is this even possible?
Whereas OPS tells people that Te, and Fe are the tribe functions, basicallly you could in fact say that basically all the external functions, including the extraverted perceiving functions,
are in a sense 'tribe functions' (although calling something 'just' a tribe and nothing more function is too simplisfic). However, people with extraverted perceiving functionsoften like perceiving things together (Se will likely prefer _doing_ things toegether and prefer Ne _talking_ though their perceptions together). So Ne wants to see what the other members of the 'tribe' have perceived too, but yet in the end it will still retur to the self in order to judge all these perceptions. Perceiving together for Ne might be watching tv together while making commentary if things they see make sense or not or sharing ideas with eachother. With Se it might be more that they like _doing things together_ yet unlike Tribe do not transform into 1 mob of people that all have the same (logical) opinions in the end. It's more about being individuals, yet connected in some sense by sharing information, basically like the internet was initially (not really controlled by anyone really). Also, in another sense everyone puts differnet things on the internet , yet _you_ decide yourself what you're going to agree with.
If P typeshave Ti/Ne, they will discuss if it makes sense may watch youtube together or point out how things seem illogical to eachother, but no do expect the other to automatically fall in line like Fe/Te more or less expect. So in the phase before the decision making, they might also want to be informed by your perceptions perceptions and include them them if they perceive you have perceptions that are not too biased, unclear or what not. . However, in the end the will still decide and judge things themselves with their own judging functions, because these judging functions are internal and may assume you will want to do that too on our own and will likely not push some idea on you. However, they might tell you their own reasoning about it, but by doing that they just want you to judge it on your too before you agree with it. (I've as Ti-dom had Te users who liked my reasoning so much that they started to just imported whatever I thought, whereas to me that feels wrong. They should always _judge themselves_ if they think that makes sense to themselves too).
In the case of informing others, they will likely inform you more about what is logical if they are T types and even their perceptions might be aimed towards perceptions that are somewhat related to thinking rather than feeling (value judge). If you give feeling based info to them, the will likely analyse it in a Ti sense rather than strongly support your moral stance or go against your moral stance. Even if they will join in giving moral stances, will likely also be somewhat moderate in their moral views, as Fe "moral views" are more grey, meaning leaning slighly more towards a view where everything is equal than the introverted functions which might be more extreme good/bad (FI) or right/wrong (Ti)) rather than go along with a more extreme stance (which Fi) can see things as more extreme than Fe typically.
The ‘crow’ probably stopped showing up because she was uncertain where she stood with you. You could take her or leave her, so she left. Did you miss the crow when she didn’t show up? What if you told her that you missed her and that you enjoyed her company? Would that be controlling? Perhaps you could be missing out on a mutually respectful and meaningful connection. We all need to know we have value in another person’s life, even and old ‘crow’ and a TP.
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