Just started this and pausing to comment on "precise language." I just discovered I'm an INTP but this phrase has been in my vocabulary for a long time. I consider it a value and I'm definitely a user of clarifying clauses because of that desire for precision. As I'm writing this, I'm also thinking of my difficulty with someone else trying to represent me. I hate when my husband describes me to someone because it is not accurate to how I see myself. Or if someone needs to respond in writing (like in a text because I'm driving or something) I insist they let the other person know that it's not me because I don't want to be responsible for what that other person might communicate.
"feeling we are right" seems to me the right way to put it. If you scroll back a few quotes where you talked about arranging new ideas into the system of thoughts we already posses I think you can find the answer. It's not just that we arrange the new thought but we rearrange what we already knew as well (or abandon what we thought we knew) in order to give this new idea a relevant place and genuinely incorporate it into our thoughts. I think this also relates to what Jung said about coercing facts into the shape of it's image? Some people say facts speak for themselves but to me that thought is intolerable. Facts hold meaning within a context and while facts are of course facts, they need that context to speak and reveal their content. The idea that a Ti is difficult to persuade is both understandable and kind of stunning to me. It may be hard to prove us wrong because we have this system of ideas and thoughts that is under continuous scrutiny that formed our convictions, but since it is subject to change all the time I think we are open to and welcome people to prove us wrong and enrich us more then any other type. So yes we feel we are right, because we don't merely look at the facts but at the world around them giving meaning to them, and we know we can be wrong because we realise that for ourselves and adjust all the time. The sceptic in us is very honest in that regard. Don't know if I made any sense today, but this is how it seems to work for me.
Lovely video. Thank you! You know the lovely thing I find is that nowadays I am gradually stepping out of the dominant function's restrictions and default modus operandi (I am an INTP). So much of what was described, especially on the social front, I felt I could relate to, but is no longer what I do or have happen to me. I guess the explanation for that is that I am getting to use my Ne more and more. Now that obviously hasn't been easy, and probably never will be, but it's certainly warranted and needed for personal development. Staying in Ti and waiting for people to come and discover my inner world proved nothing but to be a tragic attitude towards life.
A better image for INTP (maybe Ti) is cartographer. Makers of mental maps of the universe. All maps are matters of detail, requiring precision, founded on principles, yet still somewhat subjective. Both a science and art. Collections of knowledge that can be of great practical use (if someone cares to use it) but also worthy of appreciation in themselves. Maps are a subjective attempt to understand and represent the world and born out of a sense that with a wide enough lense and sufficiently penetrative gaze, all things can be connected and understood.
I like this idea of cartographer - it's a more concise way of what I was saying with car engines or computers - Ti can be like a cartographer of their system of choice, whether they map out engines, land, computers, philosophical terms etc.
Ti makes you FEEL that you are right because we cant ever know if something we know is "actually" true, or even if truth even exists. -ENTP its kinda like the scientific method where we only know whats "true" or "right" with the information we have at that time. the unknown unknowns are always there.
Love the vid! A few thoughts on the “stubborn” and “hubristic” parts from me, an INTP. Here’s a dynamic that’s come up in my life: So, someone is talking and I’m thinking in this very reactive and critical way, which means when I sight a problem and speak up my opinion tends to cut against the status quo or upset the apple cart. And I’m not great at spontaneously and quickly explaining my reasoning. Naturally my interlocutor may want to push back (often in a dismissive or defensive way, which is understandable but perhaps colors their perception of the situation). And look, this disagreement is not personal for me (at first, though it can become so). Part of me enjoys being proven wrong. That is where the learning happens. And though I may express my views dogmatically, I am not a true believer-that would totally cut against my “question everything” philosophy. Even my most closely held, vehemently expressed theories I recognize as potentially wrong and likely only partially or provisionally true. And I really value the people in my life who can *explain* to me why I’m wrong. But…most people cannot or do not do that; they just confidently assert that I’m wrong. And although I know that there’s a possibility they’re right, I also know they likely have not thought about it as much as I have or with as much rigor, and/or they have extrinsic reasons to resist what I’m saying (because I’m upsetting the apple cart, and criticizing something they just said, and maybe undermining their authority). So yeah, I’m not going to listen to them unless they show me their work or I know them to be as mentally rigorous as I. It’s not that I’m stubbornly committed to a belief and not that I think I’m better. Most people are every bit as capable of logically analyzing an issue as I am. But, they’re (most of the time) just not inclined to do it. Thus, I haughtily ignore them haha.
Wow!!! Thank you for all your reading, research and compilation. Your videos are so interesting, informative and understandable. I find this series to be very practical. Great job. 👏👏👏
Great job with the caricature. I am an intp and often use the concept of your 'blow up' of the brake to describe Ti. Excellent explanation of Ti. I use the blow up to explain how Ti sees the whole complicated idea and its various components interaction and relationships without the ability to explain what they see. They just know this.
One of the more comprehensive videos I've seen, I was able to follow what you were saying easily, now I can say safely I'm an INTP, for now, until I start doubting my type again.
Thank you for all the research and effort you put into this video. I appreciate your work here. When you mentioned "wanting to make sense of things in the external world", the show "The Ozark" 😢came to mind. I stopped watching after 2nd season bc too many things weren't making sense (adding up) that it felt insulting and offensive to continue watching. I get that it's fiction and filmmaking but my b.s. meter was triggered wayy too often for me to go along with the ridiculous storylines.
An INTP here. As having even taken a philosophy course in Deductive Logic, I've always been fearful and steer away from deductive reasoning for as long as I can help it. Factual type information to me are temporary data points requiring a skeptical logical foundation to validate. I do master the principles of inductive reasoning quite well. I see inductive logic as the key to verifying what otherwise can only be assumed. That being the closest tool we have toward expressing our Free Will. I think an idea can only be as truthful as the logic one applies to make the idea itself rational. I'm an INTP outlier that doesn't seem to conform to the stereotypes of being that of a criticizer or a man of Hubris. I have no desire for in depth knowledge of any specific topic of interest. I avoid jargon and technical topics like the plague, understanding that fundamental design principle of that one should always Keep It Simple Stupid. Social harmony is a fixation of mine. So I imagine that, for me, having strong extroverted intuition and feeling functions might compensate for an otherwise unbalanced Introverted Thinking process that would manifest into those distant and detached behaviors. Have you seen more of a spectrum of behaviors that describe how dominate TI's interact with their environment? Do you observe more fixed patterns that tend to confirm the literal descriptions of the cognitive function?
@@Tified967 I would like to ask Alexis if that was normative in her experience. Feedback of how others manifest their own TI, whether divergent or not, could be very insightful.
There is definitely a spectrum of behavior in my experience. This video defines full force Ti as if it were in a vacuum with no other functions. I have an analogy from my other function videos that I left out here, but if Ti was metaphorically blue paint, maybe someone takes their Ne which is yellow paint, and the overall effect is someone who is green (which they got from some blue and some yellow influences mixed.) Maybe someone's Ti is 2nd so you take some white paint and it's more of a light blue. In general I find that the younger the Ti user is, the more critical and hubris-exhibiting. I find that older Ti users will look back on their younger selves and say things like "I was so stupid then, I thought I knew everything." (generally speaking) When IxTP's are at their best, I've found them to be quite humble - the exact opposite of this hubris.
@@AlexisKingsley Thanks Alexis. Full force Ti, lol....? The descriptions do not seem very flattering. Luckily we do rely on these other opposing functions.
I am also an INTP that avoids jargon. Not that I don't love to learn big words and understand them, but I don't feel like I can adequately say I understand a complex subject until I can easily explain it to a 5 year old.
Hahaha, your description of young Ti users is on the money. The more I’ve learned, the more humble I’ve become. I still apparently come across as a bit of a stubborn know-it-all, possibly because I still operate on a basic assumption that I’m as correct as I can be based on what information I have at my disposal.
Sooo helpful.. Particularly about finding points of agreement before stating where I don't agree! I just agree silently, expecting people to mind read that, before blurting out what I don't agree with! So that's the only bit they hear, no wonder they think I'm stubborn and negative!! 😂🙄
I think I try save energy by agreeing silently, coz there is so much nuance going on, in my mind, so much analysing, it takes so much energy to explain it all.. This is so helpful to understand this and how it might lead to poor communication with other people around ideas.. Thank u!
Intensity and extensity sounds like it can be inversely correlated in the same fashion as Specificity vs. Sensitivity in biochemical tests. In essence it's like a teacher setting the passing score for a school test. If a school test has low minimal grade standards, it can let more students pass but the students that pass might not be the students the test was designed to pass through. Intensity means raising the passing grade. Extensity is lowering it. Now it seems harsh, but I'd say that it comes to deciding the contents of the test that will effect that, and that should be someone else' job. And about Ti vs Te... (skipping a lot here for the sake of speed) I think the reason Te feels more tyrannical and the other is the opposite, has more to do with it being paired with Ni. If Because T is trivial. But N is... *checks notes * N is how you make conclusions and extract value from facts. It's fucking scary when something is wrong. Because it means I gotta either check my Si sensors or I gotta prepare to learn something new that I have no idea is right or not, and will have to go through rigorous testing before I can rely on. This fear is gone if the one giving it to me is someone with personal affection with me, someone I trust.
I want to add something that I think is positive about TI. It avoids blindly believing everything that comes from an (actual or perceived) authority figure, because they too can be wrong for various reasons. My former GF was like that, she read a book and then suddenly, this was her new truth, without verifying the information. The world surely needs both, TE and TI.
”I have seen Ti users calling other people too sensitive or too emotional while at the same time veing easily angered.” This right here is my biggest frustration with my ISTP partner (along with the fact that he thinks he’s always right even when you show him the evidence saying he’s wrong 🙄). He says I’m too sensitive when it’s him who expresses anger so readily.
I am pretty sure I'm an ISTP. I'm near totally self taught because of my parents lazy home schooling. I'm 42. I used to think I was extroverted but definitely not anymore although I still care about having a social life although sometimes it's more of like taking my vitamins. I believe my dad is some form of damaged extrovert probably a Fe dom. Some of my extroversion came from seeing that negative influence. After I was married and was forced out of my comfort zone and typical circle I realized I can be pretty uncomfortable in a lot of situations. I also am now very cautious about my words choices after having things not go right often. I don't know it would be my first choice I'm just forced that direction. I do care about accuracy very much. I definitely try to pick holes on my own points of view after having them challenged and also out of fairness and hopes of greater understanding. However I don't see how hard to persuade is valid. I feel we should be the easiest so long as people can bring higher quality information. I do have a backbone and reputation alone won't do it. I feel hubris is what I deal with constantly especially in authority types.
Interesting this one really spoke to me. The memes at the end, especially. I wear jeans and t-shirt everywhere no matter what the scenario is, built my own PC, fanatical about my hobbies, have read all of Ayn Rand’s books, lol and extra critical of fire arm inaccuracies in movies (hilarious meme there). When I did my type grid (self completed) I came up INFP. But INFP have Ti way down at the bottom of the stack. Of all the videos you have done so far, I relate to this one the most. Did I do my type grid incorrectly?
Fi and Ti have some similarities, and it's not uncommon for people to mix them up. I wouldn't say this video is definitive, but if Ti resonated the most then it's worth looking into and learning more about the differences between Fi and Ti.
I think that the feelings thing and the getting easily mad is because of the rooted practicality and usual level of broad knowledge TI doms have. I, an ISTP, dislike stupid people and since im a SE secondary, if those external senses catch, either in word or action (like bad driving), triggers my TI baseline of principals and standards and facts etc. You were issued a driver's license, therefore you should know how to drive well. Our particular drive for Mastery or natural ability at being good at everything can manifest as setting expectations for others at the same high level we hold ourselves.
I typically test as INTP with most systems and I guess I’m playing into it to an extent but I think the pedantic issue needs some greater distinction. For example, when information is good enough and will work, I also think it’s tiresome to get bogged down in irrelevant details. I hate tomate-o/tomato because either pronunciation is so similar and referring to exactly the same thing. What’s the point in caring about it? I also use broad stokes for something like adjacent months for memories. But for details that actually make a substantial difference, those are worth pointing out. Ie if the code or syntax interpreter allows for variance in uppercase and lowercase then use either. If it’s case sensitive then it’s worth pointing out. So let’s say it as sometimes things need to be exact, sometimes they don’t and it’s a waste to put effort into trying to refine them further.
Ti may sound negative, but as an INTJ, I actually find it refreshing to hit up an NeTi and have them generate these wonderful maps (which may be unsupported by evidence), but are insightful in their own way nonetheless. I can verify with Te. Sometimes it even makes me question on how the 'evidence' was collected, which in science is a valid concern.
What you mean this outfit is not appropriate for any of this situations?? It's literally appropriate for all if this! I mean od course you can dress up for date or a party but this outfit is totally fine too. And you MUST agree that for office and hangout this is perfect outfit! Like, that's literally how people should dress for office and hangout, what difference would you make if you going to those kinda things???
lol I can't tell if this is a joke or not... In my opinion this outfit is 'passably appropriate' in all those contexts, but it's not anywhere near Fe's fine shades of distinction with what is appropriate in each moment. In my opinion the outfit works for hanging out perfectly. If you google outfits for each of the other contexts, jeans and a t-shirt will not be the most common image - especially not the shoes lol. (But who really cares, I wear all black all the time to everything, and I get comments all the time about how it's 'funeral wear' so I'm all about 'passably appropriate' lol)
I think you see the most fanaticism in people when you trip over an Fi or Ti value. If one of those functions is very unconscious it can be quite ugly I imagine.
I would suggest that te collecting data and finding a point later is more like the scientific method. Ti having a premise first and building an argument toward that premise can still be an acceptable way to prove truth. Just different and one can negate the other a bit faster when it’s done from A cozy armchair.
Ah yes, Ti will say things as if it is a fact when it the only real fact is its the Ti user's inner logic. However, whatever function(s) are supporting Ti at the time will impact how said information will be conveyed. Others have told me my "brain is a computer" and the comment always confused me until the explained why it sounded that way. Apparently, when I talk, Ti stacks information it's gathered from Se and Fe to come up with a specific "string of code" to respond with. According to others, they explain that even if they personally disagree, they cannot disagree with the logic because the "computer calculations" are sound. The irony to me however, is my brain is slooooooow and since computers are fast, the comments have always felt like an oxymoron. Ni and Ti are incredibly slow processes but once the final puzzle piece clicks it's as if everything falls into place at once and that's usually when others will hear from us. I would also like to add something to the "getting entangled in every possible scruple" comment: I've never seen it mentioned anywhere, but I've found this is how Ti can almost sound like Ne if said hesitations become externalized. While an Ti-Ne user will naturally look at every possible angle regardless of the related matter to the topic, the Ti-Ni user will search so far as to make sense of any error in the code. However, in Ni's case, this information must be externalized at some point or else we'll loose touch with reality in and of itself. Generally speaking, this is part of why Ti users can have difficulty typing themselves accurately because we can logically reorder information and bend reality to our will for a perceived singularity. We can internally map anything whether consciously or not but rest assured, when it's mapped, you'll find out about it some way. I suppose though, Fi induvial may have a similar problem typing themselves due to becoming attached to specific labels in a way we get attached to our logic. Making sense of the information in front of either user that screams something else may not be a software we wish to download, thank you very much. And I'm really loving this series! I'm looking forward to how you will go over the perceiving functions moving forward. I haven't watched the Te video yet, but this and the other two are so well defined and organized. You've always had this wholistic perspective on the cognitive functions over the years and from my vantage point, this might be your most informative series to date. In short, I believe this series will help many individuals questioning their type now and in the future since you are willing to get into the nitty gritty compare-contrast nature with the function similarities. I'm looking forward to the rest of the series and great work so far!
I'm just speculating but: I think all the functions are apprehensive when put in an environment that isn't their strong suit. Ti isn't well-equipped (in a vacuum without other functions) for social contacts, and when dealing with the opposite sex there can be a lot of rules and appropriate decorum (Fe things). It did mention that its dread is because it is 'mystical' in nature, a mystery to Ti. I think Ti isn't necessarily well-equipped, but IxTP's come equipped with other functions (like Ne/Se or Fe if worked on) that can compensate for that. I've met many (particularly older IxTPs who have honed their Ne or Se) who appear suave and don't appear to have this apprehension.
@@AlexisKingsley I feel like I could accurately chart the levels of dread I felt from middleschool until now. My first relationship was in highschool and, in retrospect, was a complete farce. I had no meaningful way to determine what to do, how to do it or under what circumstances. It really took until my second relationship for that to start to change because my partner at the time was ruthlessly outgoing and tore me kicking and screaming from my shell. I feel like it can take a long time for that feeling to change by itself and may actually need some kind of experiential data before Ti starts to understand 'the rules', so to speak. Now, in my 30's, I am considerably more comfortable in dealing with potential partners. I may not always LIKE those interactions but I understand them much better now.
Female INTP here. I am not one who likes to deal with technology so much. I’ve delved into my faith, and know a lot about it and health. I am sure that I know more about health than a “doctor” who’s gone through medical school for 8-10 years 😁
srry I tried! 19:23 If it helps Jung is kind of negative toward all the functions, so if you read about the other functions, you'll see it's not isolated to Ti
@@Tified967 Wow, great response that I would expect from an ENFJ. IDK why I have this need to group and categorize every individual I see but this video was as if I were staring at every ENFJ I've ever met. Your mannerisms, eye movement, voice fluctuation, etc... I just wanted to know if my Super Powers were working of if I'm projecting a parasocial relationship toward you. 😜
Hi! If you're interested in how I came upon my type I go through it in-depth in this video: ua-cam.com/users/liveNNqEt5USr64 In the description box of that video there are many timestamps (it's a long video so hop around to what's interesting to you) and also some links to videos that I think exemplify my preferred cognitive functions best. There is a section where I discuss xNFJ.
Just started this and pausing to comment on "precise language." I just discovered I'm an INTP but this phrase has been in my vocabulary for a long time. I consider it a value and I'm definitely a user of clarifying clauses because of that desire for precision. As I'm writing this, I'm also thinking of my difficulty with someone else trying to represent me. I hate when my husband describes me to someone because it is not accurate to how I see myself. Or if someone needs to respond in writing (like in a text because I'm driving or something) I insist they let the other person know that it's not me because I don't want to be responsible for what that other person might communicate.
"feeling we are right" seems to me the right way to put it. If you scroll back a few quotes where you talked about arranging new ideas into the system of thoughts we already posses I think you can find the answer. It's not just that we arrange the new thought but we rearrange what we already knew as well (or abandon what we thought we knew) in order to give this new idea a relevant place and genuinely incorporate it into our thoughts. I think this also relates to what Jung said about coercing facts into the shape of it's image? Some people say facts speak for themselves but to me that thought is intolerable. Facts hold meaning within a context and while facts are of course facts, they need that context to speak and reveal their content.
The idea that a Ti is difficult to persuade is both understandable and kind of stunning to me. It may be hard to prove us wrong because we have this system of ideas and thoughts that is under continuous scrutiny that formed our convictions, but since it is subject to change all the time I think we are open to and welcome people to prove us wrong and enrich us more then any other type.
So yes we feel we are right, because we don't merely look at the facts but at the world around them giving meaning to them, and we know we can be wrong because we realise that for ourselves and adjust all the time. The sceptic in us is very honest in that regard.
Don't know if I made any sense today, but this is how it seems to work for me.
Lovely video. Thank you! You know the lovely thing I find is that nowadays I am gradually stepping out of the dominant function's restrictions and default modus operandi (I am an INTP). So much of what was described, especially on the social front, I felt I could relate to, but is no longer what I do or have happen to me. I guess the explanation for that is that I am getting to use my Ne more and more. Now that obviously hasn't been easy, and probably never will be, but it's certainly warranted and needed for personal development. Staying in Ti and waiting for people to come and discover my inner world proved nothing but to be a tragic attitude towards life.
What a beautiful comment!
I love this series!
Same!
A better image for INTP (maybe Ti) is cartographer.
Makers of mental maps of the universe. All maps are matters of detail, requiring precision, founded on principles, yet still somewhat subjective. Both a science and art. Collections of knowledge that can be of great practical use (if someone cares to use it) but also worthy of appreciation in themselves.
Maps are a subjective attempt to understand and represent the world and born out of a sense that with a wide enough lense and sufficiently penetrative gaze, all things can be connected and understood.
I like this idea of cartographer - it's a more concise way of what I was saying with car engines or computers - Ti can be like a cartographer of their system of choice, whether they map out engines, land, computers, philosophical terms etc.
Too sensory real world.
and english?
Ti makes you FEEL that you are right because we cant ever know if something we know is "actually" true, or even if truth even exists. -ENTP
its kinda like the scientific method where we only know whats "true" or "right" with the information we have at that time. the unknown unknowns are always there.
Love the vid! A few thoughts on the “stubborn” and “hubristic” parts from me, an INTP. Here’s a dynamic that’s come up in my life: So, someone is talking and I’m thinking in this very reactive and critical way, which means when I sight a problem and speak up my opinion tends to cut against the status quo or upset the apple cart. And I’m not great at spontaneously and quickly explaining my reasoning. Naturally my interlocutor may want to push back (often in a dismissive or defensive way, which is understandable but perhaps colors their perception of the situation).
And look, this disagreement is not personal for me (at first, though it can become so). Part of me enjoys being proven wrong. That is where the learning happens. And though I may express my views dogmatically, I am not a true believer-that would totally cut against my “question everything” philosophy. Even my most closely held, vehemently expressed theories I recognize as potentially wrong and likely only partially or provisionally true. And I really value the people in my life who can *explain* to me why I’m wrong.
But…most people cannot or do not do that; they just confidently assert that I’m wrong. And although I know that there’s a possibility they’re right, I also know they likely have not thought about it as much as I have or with as much rigor, and/or they have extrinsic reasons to resist what I’m saying (because I’m upsetting the apple cart, and criticizing something they just said, and maybe undermining their authority). So yeah, I’m not going to listen to them unless they show me their work or I know them to be as mentally rigorous as I.
It’s not that I’m stubbornly committed to a belief and not that I think I’m better. Most people are every bit as capable of logically analyzing an issue as I am. But, they’re (most of the time) just not inclined to do it. Thus, I haughtily ignore them haha.
Do you watch the UA-camr c s Joseph?
I think you did great with the meme slide. I loved the define bread button.
Thank you for using the original text to roast me. It feels extra special 😂
Wow!!! Thank you for all your reading, research and compilation. Your videos are so interesting, informative and understandable. I find this series to be very practical. Great job. 👏👏👏
Great job with the caricature. I am an intp and often use the concept of your 'blow up' of the brake to describe Ti. Excellent explanation of Ti. I use the blow up to explain how Ti sees the whole complicated idea and its various components interaction and relationships without the ability to explain what they see. They just know this.
One of the more comprehensive videos I've seen, I was able to follow what you were saying easily, now I can say safely I'm an INTP, for now, until I start doubting my type again.
Great Video. 👏👏👏👏
Thank you for all the research and effort you put into this video. I appreciate your work here. When you mentioned "wanting to make sense of things in the external world", the show "The Ozark" 😢came to mind. I stopped watching after 2nd season bc too many things weren't making sense (adding up) that it felt insulting and offensive to continue watching. I get that it's fiction and filmmaking but my b.s. meter was triggered wayy too often for me to go along with the ridiculous storylines.
An INTP here. As having even taken a philosophy course in Deductive Logic, I've always been fearful and steer away from deductive reasoning for as long as I can help it. Factual type information to me are temporary data points requiring a skeptical logical foundation to validate.
I do master the principles of inductive reasoning quite well. I see inductive logic as the key to verifying what otherwise can only be assumed. That being the closest tool we have toward expressing our Free Will. I think an idea can only be as truthful as the logic one applies to make the idea itself rational.
I'm an INTP outlier that doesn't seem to conform to the stereotypes of being that of a criticizer or a man of Hubris. I have no desire for in depth knowledge of any specific topic of interest. I avoid jargon and technical topics like the plague, understanding that fundamental design principle of that one should always Keep It Simple Stupid. Social harmony is a fixation of mine. So I imagine that, for me, having strong extroverted intuition and feeling functions might compensate for an otherwise unbalanced Introverted Thinking process that would manifest into those distant and detached behaviors.
Have you seen more of a spectrum of behaviors that describe how dominate TI's interact with their environment? Do you observe more fixed patterns that tend to confirm the literal descriptions of the cognitive function?
@@Tified967 I would like to ask Alexis if that was normative in her experience. Feedback of how others manifest their own TI, whether divergent or not, could be very insightful.
There is definitely a spectrum of behavior in my experience. This video defines full force Ti as if it were in a vacuum with no other functions. I have an analogy from my other function videos that I left out here, but if Ti was metaphorically blue paint, maybe someone takes their Ne which is yellow paint, and the overall effect is someone who is green (which they got from some blue and some yellow influences mixed.) Maybe someone's Ti is 2nd so you take some white paint and it's more of a light blue. In general I find that the younger the Ti user is, the more critical and hubris-exhibiting. I find that older Ti users will look back on their younger selves and say things like "I was so stupid then, I thought I knew everything." (generally speaking) When IxTP's are at their best, I've found them to be quite humble - the exact opposite of this hubris.
@@AlexisKingsley Thanks Alexis. Full force Ti, lol....? The descriptions do not seem very flattering. Luckily we do rely on these other opposing functions.
I am also an INTP that avoids jargon. Not that I don't love to learn big words and understand them, but I don't feel like I can adequately say I understand a complex subject until I can easily explain it to a 5 year old.
Hahaha, your description of young Ti users is on the money. The more I’ve learned, the more humble I’ve become.
I still apparently come across as a bit of a stubborn know-it-all, possibly because I still operate on a basic assumption that I’m as correct as I can be based on what information I have at my disposal.
Sooo helpful.. Particularly about finding points of agreement before stating where I don't agree! I just agree silently, expecting people to mind read that, before blurting out what I don't agree with! So that's the only bit they hear, no wonder they think I'm stubborn and negative!! 😂🙄
I think I try save energy by agreeing silently, coz there is so much nuance going on, in my mind, so much analysing, it takes so much energy to explain it all.. This is so helpful to understand this and how it might lead to poor communication with other people around ideas.. Thank u!
I found the relationship between "Ti" and not getting married very interesting. ;-)
Intensity and extensity sounds like it can be inversely correlated in the same fashion as Specificity vs. Sensitivity in biochemical tests. In essence it's like a teacher setting the passing score for a school test. If a school test has low minimal grade standards, it can let more students pass but the students that pass might not be the students the test was designed to pass through.
Intensity means raising the passing grade. Extensity is lowering it. Now it seems harsh, but I'd say that it comes to deciding the contents of the test that will effect that, and that should be someone else' job.
And about Ti vs Te... (skipping a lot here for the sake of speed) I think the reason Te feels more tyrannical and the other is the opposite, has more to do with it being paired with Ni. If Because T is trivial. But N is... *checks notes * N is how you make conclusions and extract value from facts.
It's fucking scary when something is wrong. Because it means I gotta either check my Si sensors or I gotta prepare to learn something new that I have no idea is right or not, and will have to go through rigorous testing before I can rely on. This fear is gone if the one giving it to me is someone with personal affection with me, someone I trust.
I want to add something that I think is positive about TI. It avoids blindly believing everything that comes from an (actual or perceived) authority figure, because they too can be wrong for various reasons. My former GF was like that, she read a book and then suddenly, this was her new truth, without verifying the information. The world surely needs both, TE and TI.
”I have seen Ti users calling other people too sensitive or too emotional while at the same time veing easily angered.” This right here is my biggest frustration with my ISTP partner (along with the fact that he thinks he’s always right even when you show him the evidence saying he’s wrong 🙄). He says I’m too sensitive when it’s him who expresses anger so readily.
very good video - ISTP
Great video
I am pretty sure I'm an ISTP. I'm near totally self taught because of my parents lazy home schooling. I'm 42. I used to think I was extroverted but definitely not anymore although I still care about having a social life although sometimes it's more of like taking my vitamins. I believe my dad is some form of damaged extrovert probably a Fe dom. Some of my extroversion came from seeing that negative influence. After I was married and was forced out of my comfort zone and typical circle I realized I can be pretty uncomfortable in a lot of situations. I also am now very cautious about my words choices after having things not go right often. I don't know it would be my first choice I'm just forced that direction. I do care about accuracy very much. I definitely try to pick holes on my own points of view after having them challenged and also out of fairness and hopes of greater understanding.
However I don't see how hard to persuade is valid. I feel we should be the easiest so long as people can bring higher quality information. I do have a backbone and reputation alone won't do it. I feel hubris is what I deal with constantly especially in authority types.
Interesting this one really spoke to me. The memes at the end, especially. I wear jeans and t-shirt everywhere no matter what the scenario is, built my own PC, fanatical about my hobbies, have read all of Ayn Rand’s books, lol and extra critical of fire arm inaccuracies in movies (hilarious meme there). When I did my type grid (self completed) I came up INFP. But INFP have Ti way down at the bottom of the stack. Of all the videos you have done so far, I relate to this one the most. Did I do my type grid incorrectly?
Fi and Ti have some similarities, and it's not uncommon for people to mix them up. I wouldn't say this video is definitive, but if Ti resonated the most then it's worth looking into and learning more about the differences between Fi and Ti.
Male intp character in a movie dealing with love- John Cusack in High Fidelity . Ill say now, You're welcome.
I think that the feelings thing and the getting easily mad is because of the rooted practicality and usual level of broad knowledge TI doms have. I, an ISTP, dislike stupid people and since im a SE secondary, if those external senses catch, either in word or action (like bad driving), triggers my TI baseline of principals and standards and facts etc.
You were issued a driver's license, therefore you should know how to drive well.
Our particular drive for Mastery or natural ability at being good at everything can manifest as setting expectations for others at the same high level we hold ourselves.
I typically test as INTP with most systems and I guess I’m playing into it to an extent but I think the pedantic issue needs some greater distinction. For example, when information is good enough and will work, I also think it’s tiresome to get bogged down in irrelevant details. I hate tomate-o/tomato because either pronunciation is so similar and referring to exactly the same thing. What’s the point in caring about it? I also use broad stokes for something like adjacent months for memories. But for details that actually make a substantial difference, those are worth pointing out. Ie if the code or syntax interpreter allows for variance in uppercase and lowercase then use either. If it’s case sensitive then it’s worth pointing out. So let’s say it as sometimes things need to be exact, sometimes they don’t and it’s a waste to put effort into trying to refine them further.
I see that when you speak, you tend to generalize: very TJ. The video is very good... thank you! ;-)
Does each type have a common ideal, fave type? My fave type is the intj. From afar, of course, because i'm intp.
I didn't hear one thing in this video that did not precisely describe me and my way of thinking.
@@moondust1798ou seem mistyped because he said he agreed with everything on the video...
he said he did not see anything that he didnt agree with.. ;)
Actually, saying negative things about Ti is probably mighty validating, so it's all good.
Ti may sound negative, but as an INTJ, I actually find it refreshing to hit up an NeTi and have them generate these wonderful maps (which may be unsupported by evidence), but are insightful in their own way nonetheless. I can verify with Te. Sometimes it even makes me question on how the 'evidence' was collected, which in science is a valid concern.
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What you mean this outfit is not appropriate for any of this situations?? It's literally appropriate for all if this! I mean od course you can dress up for date or a party but this outfit is totally fine too. And you MUST agree that for office and hangout this is perfect outfit! Like, that's literally how people should dress for office and hangout, what difference would you make if you going to those kinda things???
lol I can't tell if this is a joke or not... In my opinion this outfit is 'passably appropriate' in all those contexts, but it's not anywhere near Fe's fine shades of distinction with what is appropriate in each moment. In my opinion the outfit works for hanging out perfectly. If you google outfits for each of the other contexts, jeans and a t-shirt will not be the most common image - especially not the shoes lol. (But who really cares, I wear all black all the time to everything, and I get comments all the time about how it's 'funeral wear' so I'm all about 'passably appropriate' lol)
I think you see the most fanaticism in people when you trip over an Fi or Ti value. If one of those functions is very unconscious it can be quite ugly I imagine.
I would suggest that te collecting data and finding a point later is more like the scientific method. Ti having a premise first and building an argument toward that premise can still be an acceptable way to prove truth. Just different and one can negate the other a bit faster when it’s done from A cozy armchair.
Ah yes, Ti will say things as if it is a fact when it the only real fact is its the Ti user's inner logic. However, whatever function(s) are supporting Ti at the time will impact how said information will be conveyed. Others have told me my "brain is a computer" and the comment always confused me until the explained why it sounded that way. Apparently, when I talk, Ti stacks information it's gathered from Se and Fe to come up with a specific "string of code" to respond with. According to others, they explain that even if they personally disagree, they cannot disagree with the logic because the "computer calculations" are sound. The irony to me however, is my brain is slooooooow and since computers are fast, the comments have always felt like an oxymoron. Ni and Ti are incredibly slow processes but once the final puzzle piece clicks it's as if everything falls into place at once and that's usually when others will hear from us.
I would also like to add something to the "getting entangled in every possible scruple" comment: I've never seen it mentioned anywhere, but I've found this is how Ti can almost sound like Ne if said hesitations become externalized. While an Ti-Ne user will naturally look at every possible angle regardless of the related matter to the topic, the Ti-Ni user will search so far as to make sense of any error in the code. However, in Ni's case, this information must be externalized at some point or else we'll loose touch with reality in and of itself. Generally speaking, this is part of why Ti users can have difficulty typing themselves accurately because we can logically reorder information and bend reality to our will for a perceived singularity. We can internally map anything whether consciously or not but rest assured, when it's mapped, you'll find out about it some way. I suppose though, Fi induvial may have a similar problem typing themselves due to becoming attached to specific labels in a way we get attached to our logic. Making sense of the information in front of either user that screams something else may not be a software we wish to download, thank you very much.
And I'm really loving this series! I'm looking forward to how you will go over the perceiving functions moving forward. I haven't watched the Te video yet, but this and the other two are so well defined and organized. You've always had this wholistic perspective on the cognitive functions over the years and from my vantage point, this might be your most informative series to date. In short, I believe this series will help many individuals questioning their type now and in the future since you are willing to get into the nitty gritty compare-contrast nature with the function similarities. I'm looking forward to the rest of the series and great work so far!
Thank you for this comment! I love hearing Ti described in its own words.
Horticulture is an ISTP profession
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Can anyone explain why Ti is afraid of the opposite sex?
I'm just speculating but: I think all the functions are apprehensive when put in an environment that isn't their strong suit. Ti isn't well-equipped (in a vacuum without other functions) for social contacts, and when dealing with the opposite sex there can be a lot of rules and appropriate decorum (Fe things). It did mention that its dread is because it is 'mystical' in nature, a mystery to Ti. I think Ti isn't necessarily well-equipped, but IxTP's come equipped with other functions (like Ne/Se or Fe if worked on) that can compensate for that. I've met many (particularly older IxTPs who have honed their Ne or Se) who appear suave and don't appear to have this apprehension.
@@AlexisKingsley That actually makes sense, thanks.
@@AlexisKingsley I feel like I could accurately chart the levels of dread I felt from middleschool until now. My first relationship was in highschool and, in retrospect, was a complete farce. I had no meaningful way to determine what to do, how to do it or under what circumstances. It really took until my second relationship for that to start to change because my partner at the time was ruthlessly outgoing and tore me kicking and screaming from my shell. I feel like it can take a long time for that feeling to change by itself and may actually need some kind of experiential data before Ti starts to understand 'the rules', so to speak. Now, in my 30's, I am considerably more comfortable in dealing with potential partners. I may not always LIKE those interactions but I understand them much better now.
Female INTP here. I am not one who likes to deal with technology so much. I’ve delved into my faith, and know a lot about it and health. I am sure that I know more about health than a “doctor” who’s
gone through medical school for 8-10 years 😁
Same here. I actually kind of hate technology and never tinker with things - only ideas.
Exactly!!
INTPs are hot.
Geez that WAS a bit negative. I disagree, and you can't change my mind. I'm going back to my basement now. -ISTP
srry I tried! 19:23
If it helps Jung is kind of negative toward all the functions, so if you read about the other functions, you'll see it's not isolated to Ti
ENFPs feel what is true...
Are you an ENFJ?
intj
@@moondust1798 My third slot, actually. She reminds me of my daughter in law who's an ENFJ.
@@Tified967 Wow, great response that I would expect from an ENFJ. IDK why I have this need to group and categorize every individual I see but this video was as if I were staring at every ENFJ I've ever met. Your mannerisms, eye movement, voice fluctuation, etc... I just wanted to know if my Super Powers were working of if I'm projecting a parasocial relationship toward you. 😜
Hi! If you're interested in how I came upon my type I go through it in-depth in this video: ua-cam.com/users/liveNNqEt5USr64
In the description box of that video there are many timestamps (it's a long video so hop around to what's interesting to you) and also some links to videos that I think exemplify my preferred cognitive functions best. There is a section where I discuss xNFJ.
@@AlexisKingsley Awesome. I'll be sharing your channel with others. Very good information here always. Keep up all the effort.