Westinghouse WGen9500DF Dual Fuel Generator
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
- Review of the Westinghouse 9500DF Dual Fuel Generator
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Please Note: I do not recommend running sensitive electronics like computers directly off this generator or any generator with a THD greater than 5%. For those sensitive items, I would use this generator to charge an appropriate battery backed "solar generator" and then use that to run the sensitive electronics. - Розваги
Question. When you had the generator hooked with the 50amp plug to your solar batteries you were getting 90amps Did I understand that? I think the Gauge wire in the plug going to the 50 amp plug tops off at 60amp right? I think what I am getting to I did not understand how that solar system works and what you were showing
OK, the Amps you see on the solar power are relative to the battery voltage seen just to the left. So 90 Amps at about 55 Volts = about 5000 Watts. That's well within the 50 Amp or even the 30 Amp circuit. BTW: I was using the 30 Amp circuit on the generator (7200 Watts). Also note that this does not take into account the charging losses so what's coming off the generator is probably about 20% higher. Thanks!
@Quincy Anons I don't know for sure and without looking into it all I can do is guess that the smaller engine will be more fuel efficient given the same load.
@@HomesteadEngineering Any reason you didn't use the 50 amp outlet on the generator? I noticed on mine the leads coming out of the actual generator to the generators panel don't seem very large gauge, certainly not the 6 AWG I ran from the transfer switch socket to the main breaker in my panel.
@@alrui I never use more than 30 Amps (7,200 Watts) so I don't use the 50 Amp plug. I use 6 AWG from the plug to the tx switch as well but you probably don't have to for this generator. It has a 50 Amp plug but its not a full 50 Amps, its only 9,500 Watts continuous not 12,000. Also the wire is not very long. I suppose I could do a test where I put 9,000 Watts on it and see if the wire gets warm or hot... Thanks!
@@HomesteadEngineering Thanks for the reply, makes sense. The reason I was thinking on going with the 50 amp set-up is because the breaker they have in the panel with the interrupt set-up is already a double 60 breaker so I figured I'd complete the install with it being 50 amp capable just in case someone down the road went with a bigger unit. Whats your thought on that? Maybe I'm going the wrong direction?
Talk about some serious toys! Nicely done, the attention to detail is apparent, no corners cut, no expense spared, and the multi-system integration is a compliment to the designer. Kudos!
Thanks!
I purchased this exact generator over the summer here in Texas. I spent a few extra dollars to have a transfer switch installed and loaded up with a few cans of fuel (just in case). The storms hit and my neighborhood was without electric for days. We were warm and safe. We had friends staying with us to keep them safe through the storm. My only regret was not having my pool pump on the switch and it froze and cracked. We were blessed to have this generator. Yep its a little loud but who really cares in an emergency situation. I stand by this generator as it got us through 3 days of a deep freeze.
Sean, Boy did you pick up this generator at the right time! What a life saver. Thanks for sharing that. :)
I don't understand what a transfer switch is.
@@lonniematherne1046 A transfer switch allows you to switch your source of power from the utility to a backup generator. Only one source will be connected at a time so you don't back-feed a downed powerline and injure a linesman.
@@HomesteadEngineering Thanks! Checking into purchasing one right now.
Are you planning to run your AC units in the summer outages? Wondering about how big AC unit it can handle. Using gasoline or natural gas?
Thank you for taking the time to explain, video and detail all of this generators abilities and more. I’m really impressed with it as well as your setup. The battery bank and solar are AWES9ME. Thank you again!
Glad it was helpful!
The best video I have ever seen about whole house generators. Thanks so much ! I just ordered the same generator for my off-grid solar powered house as a backup. I ordered it before I saw your video, so you verified my conclusions about this product. Well done !!
Awesome! Thank you!
I’m amazed at how organized your shop and utilities are!
Mike, it is a constant battle. I find that I am constantly re-organizing. As time goes by and you change what your doing things tend to get out of line. I am about to do another major re-organize on my shop, garage and prepper room. Thanks!
I purchased this generator 6 months ago expecting rolling black-outs here in CA. After watching your video, I'm convinced I made a great purchase. Love the idea of solar batteries!
Thanks!
Same!
FGN!
Great review. I LOVE my WGEN9500 Duel Fuel & ST Switch that I have set up as a Auto Backup Generator.
With my ST, I have it wired to the UPS that powers my Entertainment/Communications Control Center, living room heater, and a few LED lghts. This gives the living room seemingly uninterrupted power. Also I ran 1 line from each 120V, 20 amp outlet "2 total" to the house for "EMERGENCY POWER ONLY " outlets that only work when the generator is running. For a short-term power outage, this is great. If it is longer-term or we need more power, we go downstairs and hit the manual 50 amp whole house power transfer switch. I love the flexible of it. All for about $1,300.00.
Now that sounds like a plan! :)
@@HomesteadEngineering yeah, but I would much rather have your setup. Alas, I have too many trees to the south. Take care!
I’m checking your video out since my dad is building a beach house in a place with a lot of power outages and he wants something good but cheap, we really liked this generator and we’re liking the idea of having two of these. One for lighting, refrigerator, wall plugs and pool pumps and another just for AC. Nice review
Sounds like you will need an electrician to make sure your hooking up your duel system correctly. Thanks!
@@HomesteadEngineering yes of course!! An electrician will make the installation!
WOW, I really loved this video! This is exactly the kind of video that shows what these generators are capable of, and the different ways that you can use them. Its really good to see that the 9500-12000 watt model is able to handle such huge loads. I bought the standard 7500 watt model, which can easily run half the house. Great stuff dude!
Everything I showed in this video was run off the 30Amp or smaller outlets. In other words, you could run all this same stuff with the 7500 model. I don't think I ever exceeded 6000 Watts. Thanks!
People who use portable generators really needs to watch this video about generator safety ua-cam.com/video/I1jT3ANENvI/v-deo.html remember that I’m not forcing you. It’s just an important advice on this video and thank you.
Thanks for sharing, David! The WGen9500DF has most certainly got all the juice AND more. 😁💪⚡
Kudos to the Engineers at Westinghouse. :) This is a very well thought out and well built machine. I won't name names but this is order of magnitude better than the generator I was using. Thanks!
I bought this generator after Ian leveled SW Florida last September. This video pretty much shores up the fact that I bought a GOOD generator. Already had an electrician run a 50 amp box outside so I can run the whole house including the AC
Yep, your in good shape now. One less thing to worry about when the next storm hits!
@@HomesteadEngineering Yessir...... the piece of mind this purchase has given my wife and I cannot be put into words
Really like these units, have a 7500 and 9500 dual fuel. Plumbed a tee in after house regulator with a quick connect adapter on the generator so I can tie in to the 1000 gallon tank. Can ran a long time off of that
Superb video!!!! I purchased this generator over the summer (3 months ago) and now trying to prepare for the winter months. All questions I had while doing individual research were answered in this video. Thank you!!!
I appreciate this comment. Thanks!
Glad you're happy with your new generator! AP said you're a rocket scientist. I didn't know that; just that you're brainy. Lol. Well, as well as brains you're one heck of a good Prepper and a meticulous worker. I love success stories!👵😁🙏🌱👍
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Thank you. This is by far one of the best reviews/demonstrations I have seen. A little backwards still looking at reviews but I just purchased one of these and now feel confident I made a good choice.
Thanks!
Lindo gerador, parabéns, também comprei um gamma 7500ve. Também muito bom.
Very Nice, congratulações....
Pritty sweet set up you have. Im glad so many people are being and starting to be more self reliant. I have firman duel fuel 9400 watt generator. My house isn't as big as yours so mine will power anything and everything in my house. But I'm not an electrition so I just do it the old fashioned way and run cords everywhere when the power goes out LOL
Sounds good but I think you would really like a transfer switch and they are not that much to install. Thanks
Look into the GenerLink transfer switch. It mounts behind your power meter which allows you to simply plug into it. It automatically transfers from utility lines to gen power. Check with your electric company to verify that they approve of this style of transfer switch. You'll need a licensed electrician to install it
I’m so jealous of that setup!
I’ve got one installed at my house as an emergency backup for power outage. Good presentation but you forgot talk about the radio control. Very handy here in Quebec by minors 20 degrees.
Yep, I forgot to mention the coolest thing! :)
This is the best review video I've seen! Thank you! Considering getting one for home back up and using the 50amp
Cesar, Its a great generator and I love it but do be careful not to run your sensitive electronics off it. You might like this video as well: ua-cam.com/video/Ovrief1eIAI/v-deo.html
Thanks!
I probably should have gotten this one. Picked up the 5300 DF for a good price. Really got it to cover the fridge and deep freezer. So it's still useful. Like it so far.
I would not be worried about it. 5300 is a lot of power! Plus, you save on gas. :)
Have a hurricane incoming and I bought the house with this set up similar to your second example. Haven't cranked it up yet and feel confident after this video. I subscribed. You know your stuff. Cracked up with the image from space. Too funny.
Dean, Make sure you test it out before you need it plus don't forget the break-in period. I'm glad someone appreciates the humor. Thanks!
Thank you. Will do. It's been sitting for 6 months. Thinking maybe of draining the gas out as it might be varnished.
Just bought this genny! You have inspired me I'm building the off grid battery backed solar system! 😀👍
Sounds good Kelley. What system are you building? My next video will cover two good solar systems. Thanks!
@@HomesteadEngineering No idea yet im starting from scratch. I found a video with links to used panels priced very cheap my plan is to build a system with these with a battery bank / inverter. Any tips or suggestions are welcome!
Great video, the most informative video I've seen! Great detail work of individual electrical devices, and lively and good lighting. Thank you
Thanks for watching!
great and thorough review. i love your setup. just bought this gen today
Awesome! Thank you!
Where did you find it in stock? Oos everywhere right now.
@@PT56123 They were still available at the Home Depot last time I checked.
Your home is like the Epcot Center of home energy. Congrats! :)
"Epcot center of home energy", I like it! :)
Your energy display is awesome
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Thank you for sharing this Video I just received my wgen 9500df still boxed looking forward to seeing it working!
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Its a great generator and I use it and love it. One note: Do not run sensitive electronics on this generator as it has a high THD.
I just bought the same generator. In the process of wiring the interface with my main panel.
Congratulations! Your going to love it. :)
I just took delivery of this exact generator. Online reviews were pretty good so I ordered one. I was pretty sure I can use it for everything in my house but after seeing this video review I'm confident it will work just fine as my house is much smaller. I'm having a GenerLink transfer switch installed so my house can stay powered for the sometimes chaotic New England weather. Now my only question is if I could convert the generator from propane to natural gas.
75rlaf, I think your going to love this generator. Its been great for me so far and it really cranks out the power. The transfer switch is the way to go. One note: I would not run any sensitive electronics with this generator due to the dirty power. One way around this is to use this generator to charge a solar generator and then use that to power the sensitive electronics.
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I am not sure about converting this generator to natural gas but I would guess that you can with a conversion kit. Keep in mind that your gas may be turned off in an emergency where as a large (500 gallon) propane tank is a sure thing. That said, if your natural gas stays on then its endless...
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@@HomesteadEngineering unfortunately I'm not in a position to bury a tank but I think I'll be fine with natural gas. Being in southern New England, if our natural gas supply gets shut down then there's a major problem that's beyond generators lol.
Well done Sir! Nice set-up. Getting ready to put my whole house system together
You can do it!
@Homestead Engineering I wish I could have done solar though. But, having the lights and AC working will be a big plus
Nice! Solar power equipment is VERY finicky about their input AC power for charging battery banks. For the price of that Westinghouse and the power output (clean), I would say that purchase was a home run. Well done video!
Hey Chris, good to hear from ya. I am really liking this generator! The big test will be to see how it holds up in a "long term" power outage and how it performs over the next 5 years. In other news, I lost my first L16RE-B a couple of weeks ago. Hoping its just an outlier but well see... Might have to start looking at Lithium. I hear your digging it! :)
@@HomesteadEngineering -- lithium is far superior, safer, and deliver the power. My three main systems are now all have lithium (KiloVault, Battle Born, Dakota Lithium brands). These are solid companies. Recommend calling these companies direct vs using a vendor when yer ready to pull the trigger...it will you save monster money. The Battle Borns are "exceptional"...like a 1969 Chevy Corvette with a 427 big block. Gobs of power
Great video, I just ordered one. Been looking for a while. Westinghouse generators have some of the lowest THD, and copper windings.
Paul, I do love this generator, I run it often and it is a beast. That said, I believe it actually has a high THD and is not well suited for sensitive electronics. I think it is
Such a HELPFUL video!! Thank you for sharing your experience and knowledge 🙏 😊.
Glad it was helpful!
Man, for a second there I thought I was in the operation center at Disney World. I need a smoke!!!
LOL. Thanks!
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How to get electricity from a public light pole (post) in an emergency ???
Thanks for all the awesome videos.
I would not go messing with any utility power. Bad idea. Your not talking about electrocution, your talking about burn to crisp. Thanks!
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Hey David, I was going to say that thing is a beast, but you beat me to it. 😁 Dual fuel is great. I always enjoy seeing you rocking it! Love the adventures in Davidland. Keep going, my friend!
Thanks Hoot!
I would love to see how you have your solar setup. Maybe you already have a video of it so I’ll have to look. Your setup is awesome.
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Thanks!
Great review and real world load test. I am looking at this same exact generator. Keep up the great work.
Thanks!
Lol - the view of the earth with it still sounding in the background answered my question....
Rick, well I thought that was pretty funny and I am glad someone else noticed! Thanks!
@@HomesteadEngineering I actually told a friend about it as we were discussing generators and he thought it very funny as well. Its too bad I cannot get one of these here in Canada now - they are sold out everywhere and shipping one here from the US is too expensive. Hopefully they will get them again.
@@rangerrick8220 I noticed that they are not available on Amazon at the moment but the Depot has them. Thanks!
@@HomesteadEngineering Home Depot US... they are not available anywhere up here... completely sold out. Shipping from US to Canada not practical $$ wise. Hopefully once this pandemic is over I can get one here...
@@rangerrick8220 OK, sounds like a plan...
I like your humor with the Google Earth shot. Subbed!!
Well I'm glad somebody got the joke. Welcome aboard! :)
Great video! thanks for the information! Just picked one up this week for the occasional storms etc. I plan on using it on propane, only because I can store the propane longer. How long do think I could run with a 100# tank at 1/2 load?
Rocky, I would guess about a day and a half straight. If you run it intermittently, you might get a week. Thanks!
Great product and price for our needs. RV and power outages arrived in time.
Thanks!
Do you have to manually switch from 120 to 240? Or do the plugins automatically know? I have a RV and am a bit nervous to plug my 50 amp plug into it. I bought this same one and the instructions do not mention this.
Hello Barry, the short answer is that you probably don't have to worry about this at all. The 50Amp-240Volt plug has 4 wires. L1, L2, common and ground. The voltage between L1 and common is 120V and the voltage between L2 and common is 120V. The voltage between L1 and L2 is 240. Your electrical panel in your RV should be wired as needed depending on the circuit. Your plugs should be 120 and your oven may be 240. Ya follow? :) Note: I only say probably because I don't know exactly what you have or trying to do.
Hi I was wondering as per the manual when hooking up to your transfer switch if you floated the neutral or left bonded the way it came from the factory ?
Evan, you should check with an electrician for your own setup. I personally believe in only bonding the neutral to the ground in one place and that is at the main panel. If I were using the generator stand alone out in a field, I would leave it bonded from the factory. Thanks!
Can this model be started and run with the battery dead or missing? I saw a model made by WEN that requires the battery to be charged even if you're pull starting it. Something about the fuel solenoid needs 12 volts to operate.
Thanks.
I would have to look into that but it does sound consistent with what I have heard about the fuel system. Thanks!
Great video!! I have a question. I appreciate if I could get some help. When switching from gas over to the propane tank, do you always leave the gas value in the on position. Or should the gas value be in the off position , and then I would just switch the fuel dial to propane ?? Thanks for the help
Benny, Good question. I had not even thought of that. When I did my test I left the gas valve on and just switched the selector. I probably should have turned the gas valve off but I am not sure. Something I will have to experiment with in the future. Thanks!
i just bought this generator and watching your video as a review made me build a 48v bank with lifepo4 cells + the all in one inverter charger hahahaha
This is the BEST way to do it. Note: I have just seen for the first time that EcoFlow is now incorporating this concept into their systems and automating the process to boot. Thanks!
Awesome video! I ordered mine yesterday!
Elwood, I think your going to like it. Thanks!
I asked Westinghouse for one PWR Nuclear Reactor... They declined. Sad... But instead I bought one 28000 Dual Fuel, and... This thing is a BEAST. A bit of THD but... Very good power output.
Thanks for noticing the little details... :)
@@HomesteadEngineering😮 what? Nuclear reactor?
Just bought this Genny.... I am having a hard time finding out what cord t buy for the 50 amp receptacle. I see the male is bladed, and have seen female bladed ( 50A 14-50P, 50A 14-50R). You plugged a bladed into the 50Amp outlet, but I did not see the other end of the cable. Do you run it into a 50 amp bladed or twist lock? Needing to get a cord for 50 amp inlet box for my house.
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I wish I had someone handy to help me set something like this up. I have to instead go with the basic power cord through the window and hope the dang thing turns on when I need it to. I'm always just grateful when I can get the thing to actually start up.
Hello Lorenda, I think you could probably get an electrician to hook up a basic transfer switch to your main panel for $200-$300. Then you can selectively run most of the circuits in your whole house. Thanks!
@@HomesteadEngineering Oh goodness, I assumed they would charge way more than that to hook it up. Electricians are so expensive. I will for sure look into that. May I ask another question? My generator is just sitting out side and I try to keep a tarp on it and it is always blowing off - we have alot of wind and rain and I'm worried about it. So are there simple inexpensive ways to cover them or do you recommend keeping them in the garage until needed? Sorry for all the questions, I have called Westinghouse twice and the first time the call was disconnected on their end and then the second time the answering service said they had to leave and message and I've never heard back. I am so frustrated on how hard it is to get answers for those of use who are just starting and learning about them - heck just buying a cord is causing me nightmares because you have to read and read and read to find out which of the 50 cords out there to buy. Anyway - I appreciate your video and your responses are beyond appreciated. Thank you
@@lorae7 Yes, keep your generator in the garage when it is not needed. Do keep it out of the rain!!!!
The electrician who installs your transfer switch or a less expensive interlock kit can advise on what cords, and such to buy He may even make the cords you need. Naturally the more work and materials he uses, the higher his fee will be.
Hope this helps, if you haven't already found the solutions that you need.
Very informative i just orderded the all gas version..thanks!
Good choice!
Question: I was hoping to run an inverter 220v TIG welder for a job this next week off this generator but was hoping to find some info online about its THD when under at or slightly below 50% load, is the THD consistent across the load range? How extraneous are the THD percentages under fluctuating loads like using a TIG pedal to feather or pulse amperage? I haven’t found many answers so if you could at least put me in the right direction I’d appreciate it!
Juan, that's a good question. I am working on an answer for you through Westinghouse. I suppose you could hook up a scope and run some welds while recording the scope screen. Then you could analyze the real life results.
From Westinghouse: The THD varies but I can confirm that it will always be
Bought this generator without realizing the high thd. If only we had an answer to this question...
Who are these 16 people that put a thumbs down? Lol. Very informative sir and impacted my decision to buy this model! I just need it basically for home backup in case of an outage. Thank you for the video!!!
Glad it was helpful!
Ones that can't have that nice setup lol
Great video! Thank you! I just took delivery on the same generator but mine is tri-fuel. I thought the added option of natural gas would be helpful and I already have a QD that I can hook up to. The GenerLink switch is on the way, so I'll be ready for storm season here in Arkansas. Looking forward to see if this thing will run my 3.5 ton central AC system!
Sounds good. If you have trouble getting past the inductive startup current, try adding a soft start. That just might do the trick. Thanks!
@@HomesteadEngineering … already have the soft start on order. 👍🏼
Nice!
Great video thank you! I was hoping you would have covered how or when to use the 50 amp output.
Victor, You would use the 50Amp output the same way as the 30Amp output. You would need a 50A cord, a 50A receptacle and a 50A transfer switch.
EXCELLENT REVIEW!! Great information and nice film work, too.😁
Thank you kindly!
I have owned this generator since October 2020. It replaced a 5500W Generac Wheelhouse gen with a 10HP B&S Engine.
I like this generator a lot. One annoying non-feature feature is the remote start key fob. It can only be used once the run/stop rocker switch on the generator is in the run position. If left on the run position, over time the starter battery will discharge. To actually use the remote start, you have to go to the generator first to use the rocker switch. How is this a real remote start? It isn't.
I did a warranty busting modification. I hard wired a second rocker switch wired in parallel to the switch on the gen. Routed the 4 wires into the house and mounted it on the living room wall. Hung the key fob next to it. Now it is remote start!
Some opinions expressed on this channel may not reflect... blah blah blah... lol Nice job! :)
I realized I never corrected myself. Two rocker switches in this case DIDN'T work. I could only use ONE switch. The issue is that unless both switches are in the same position, the spark circuit will be grounded through the switch in the STOP position.
I removed the rocker from the control panel. I have a short 4-wire harness starting from where the rocker was,and running to four female push-on connectors. That are held tie wrapped to the generator frame.
Now I can either connect them to s small switch box that could travel with the generator, or plug them into my house harness so I can use the rocker switch inside along with the remote start key fob.
It works.
" If left on the run position, over time the starter battery will discharge". They supply a trickle charger to solve this issue I believe.
This looks like a good welding generator to start my mobile welding service
Hello! If you are using the 30A outlet on this generator and connecting to a transfer switch, is there a max length for the 30A cord that connects the generator to the transfer switch plug?
Yes, basically your going to have a voltage drop based on the voltage, the size of wire, the length of wire and the current in the wire. You can look this up on a wire chart. Your wire is probably #10 AWG
www.calculator.net/voltage-drop-calculator.html?material=copper&wiresize=3.277&voltage=120&phase=ac&noofconductor=1&distance=100&distanceunit=feet&eres=30&x=42&y=14
You don't typically want more than a 3% drop
I have to tell you, I’m majorly impressed! I just bought this exact unit yesterday after the storm that I had to battle through for a week with no power in that damn cold! But I’ve looked for weeks trying for figure out what was the best set up and ruled out quickly the direct plug in, didn’t like the transfer switch option because of the limitations and additional wiring of each fuse you wanted active and don’t have solar yet but will have it this summer although I don’t have a battery back up system like you’re. What was most impressive and appreciated was the wattage that you showed on each appliance, namely the large ones and then being able to run the entire house which is why I chose this unit. However, my question now is, if you had all those items running with some of them at 2k watts, some with 3500 and some with 5000 watts and all the lights and incidentals along the way, how can the 9500 watt generator still continue to handle all that wattage if it’s over the 9500 watt limit? BTW, I chose to wire my generate directly to the breaker box inserting an additional 50 amp fuse so I could randomly run what I wanted whenever needed. But if you can help answer that question would be great! Thanks again for the best video I’ve seen on this scenario of usage and set up!! Great job!!!!
Hello Lawrence, Thank you for the nice comments. 1st, you need to make sure that you lock out the utility power when your generator is on. If you back-feed the line, you could injure a linesman. You should make sure that this can't happen even by mistake. 2nd, you cannot run more than 9500 Watts and I would actually not run my system over 7,200 Watts just to keep a safe margin. You have to rotate through the heavy loads as I was trying to show in the video. 3rd, you did not mention but I wanted to add, I would not run any sensitive electronics on this generator as it has a high THD. i.e. no computers. Thanks!
Thanks! Yes I did see that sensitive materials comment in another comment you mentioned and sorry I forgot state that yes I installed an interlock device to prevent that risk of the back feed. Yes I went to the 9500 watt unit because I knew it would start taxing the unit if I used the 7500 watt unit and could not use hardly anything that would be desired. But I think I feel much more comfortable after watching your video for sure.
@@neptune_waffles OK, that sounds good then. Thanks!
@@HomesteadEngineering what if you have a battery UPS that your computers are plugged into? Wouldn't that remove the concerning fluctuations? I have a Cyperpower 1500AVRLCD.
detroka yes. A battery backed UPS on your computers would make it safe because you have the batteries creating a buffer and allowing clean power to be fed to your electronics.
Great piece of work. While watching, noted the L1 & L2 current monitors. Assuming those are custom built (Home Made) Did you chronical the parts selection and build? Going to look at your videos to see. Thanks for sharing.
Hello Mitch, I think this is it: -Digital Current Voltage Power Energy Meter:
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That plug is for the battery charger so one can add your small trickle maintainer charger to keep the battery up while in storage standard plug for all maintainer /trickle chargers.. no need to mess with taking the battery out or putting clamps on top of the battery
Russell, That is correct. Thanks!
Great job on the video. Have you had any issues finding parts to service this generator? Parts like filters, plugs, etc? Looking at getting a WH gen but been seeing online a few persons raising concerns about parts availability.
I have not had to get any parts for it as of yet so I can't comment on that. Thanks!
Bought this exact generator and love it. Bought a Reliance Controls 50 Amp 10 circuit transfer switch and it only allows a double pull 30 Amp, not enough to run my central AC. The wire is 10 gauge not 6 but was told that was UA approved by Reliance because it was short in length. Reliance also said the 50 amp transfer switch is a combined 50 amp and will not allow me to add a 40 amp breaker nor will the wiring allow this. How on earth do I run my central ac and what transfer switch allows a 40 amp breaker with supportive wiring?
I do not want to chance running the central ac with what is offered nor do I want to rewire it like some do.
Mike, I agree that you should not run anything bigger than 30A off that double pull transfer switch. I have two of those same 50A boxes as you may have seen in this video. I get around running the big AC's by running three window units that all run off separate 20A switches. I am also adding a 18,000BTU mini-split that I plan to run off one of my transfer switches. I DO NOT run any of my main heat pump AC's off the transfer switch. To run your main AC off a generator I think you would need to run the generator power directly into your main panel via one of those "interlock" kits. Its basically a metal slider that only allows your generator OR your utility to be active at any given time. Then you would shut off every breaker in your panel and only turn on what your generator can handle at any given time. That said, I am not an electrician and you should check with one before bad things happen... Good luck!
Thank you so kindly for the fast reply. Yes, figured I would have to go the interlock route. After seeing your rig I really got caught up in how nice the transfer switches could be and really wanted to make them work. It keeps everything so nice and separate but if it can't handle the bigger breaker for my central ac then I guess I'm forced to use the interlock and main panel even though lots of people do it any way and rewire them I will not. Dang there goes my dream of making my panel area in the garage loaded with gear like a control panel at Disney World. Now I'll have no meter to tell me when the ac start load has settled either. All I get is a $40 piece of galvanized metal to act a s a dummy switch so i don't back load. I wonder why nobody makes a transfer switch with 6 gauge and a double pull 40. Everybody wants that.
@@newportmike8519 One big advantage of the Reliance switch is that I can actually run my solar and utility at the same time. That is, I can select some things to be on solar and some things to be on the utility. So I use the switch this way all the time, not just when the power is out. If you plan to add solar later, you might want to keep the ability to do this. Just a thought...
Thank you for an excellent review. The setup that you have helped me with both its clarity and inspiration. I am expecting my 9500DF in a short time. I am starting out simple with just the 30A cable to a Reliance thru-wall to 6-gang kit, so that I don't have to keep a door or window ajar. Then I'll just run 12/3 extensions to my major appliances. I am also getting the EZ Generator transfer switch (simple GEN-OFF-UTIL rocker switch) for my boiler. Did you purchase the ST Switch you listed the above in the links ? My problem with using the ST Switch is running the cords through a door or window.
I did not notice any conditioning or suppression. The 9500DF's THD spec. made me think I should at least put an isolation transformer , such as the Tripp Lite IS500, to somewhat protect my PCs, UPSs, TVs, etc. But I saw that you had a digital front-end dryer that you ran directly off the generator. Have you seen any issues with your electronics from waveform distortions ? Did you ever put a scope on it ?
Eventually, I want to add the Reliance whole-house MTS to feed my 200A service panel. Your review is making me re-think my plans. You estimate your solar/battery system saves ~87% of runtime? WOW! But of coarse that's running 2 hrs at high-load versus 24 hrs at varying/idle loads during a long outage. Fuel consumption during idle to low-loads would be difficult to accept, if I end up unnecessarily spending hundreds of dollars more on fuel. This makes your setup very appealing. Although a solar system would be a large investment for me, I did see an inverter for sale that could use solar and/or generator to store to a battery bank. I wondered what storage size would make sense, if I excluded solar, and just banked the generator. I average only 450KWH per month, or 15K/day. I'll have to find out how big a storage bank (in $$$) I would need. I imagine that I could also run my high-loads (washer, dryer, etc) during the re-charge cycle. Even in the worst of NE winter, my overnight usage is pretty low. So that would be great if I could just run a couple hours a day. That would also relieve me of dirty power, because I'd be running off an inverter then.
Thanks in advance for any reply.
Hello WillingCoyote, You make some very informed comments and have obviously done your homework. I personally only use the generator to charge my battery bank, I only showed the other methods as examples of ways you could do it. If I were running my house directly from the generator then I would put sensitive electronics on a line conditioner to protect them as you mentioned. Yes, battery backed solar is expensive up front but keep in mind that it runs every day and not just during power outages. My system cost me $18k after tax credit and will pay for itself eventually (approx. 5 more years).
Link to my solar power build: ua-cam.com/video/zb4oar9UHSY/v-deo.html
@@HomesteadEngineering Fascinating! Your gonna make me have to check out more of your video's now, because you got me hooked on your power generation capabilities.
Great video! Thanks for making it and posting it!
Glad you enjoyed it!
How did you break-in this generator? My electrician suggested to break it in prior to transfer switch installation. I do not see detailed instructions on the manual.
Monish, Sorry but I just don't recall... I probably just ran it with no load for a bit. Thanks
Great video I just got my same gen today glad to see in real what it can handle so thank you
Glad I could help
this was an awesome video. I just had my old (17 years old) craftsman 8500w start 5500w run generator die. Well I think the compression trigger on the camshaft of the briggs and Stratton 10HP engine broke making it very hard to pull start it. I've been researching several makes and models of dual fuel generators. I'm looking at the Duromax XP13000EH and the Pulsar 12000 watts dual fuel generators. Couple of questions. What made you decide on getting this one over other makes or models? Also, who makes this engine for this generator and how often do you have to change the oil? Also, did I hear you say you ran the AC unit in your house with the generator? Thanks in advance
Hello Mike, I don't know who makes the engine or what they recommend for oil changes. I did not run the large heat pump AC but I did run window AC's. I think you will like this video I did on generator selection: ua-cam.com/video/Ovrief1eIAI/v-deo.html
Thanks for the quick reply. I also sent you another question about that fortress compressor. Can you run a small plasma cutter off that compressor? Thanks again for all your knowledge. We really appreciate it.
I have an unusual question:
Bought the exact generator on clearance last year, as is.
I just realized that I’m missing the gas tank attachment hose. I’m HOPING there’s a replacement hose I can purchase that’ll work to hook up a 5 gallon gas tank. Any suggestions??
Thanks for your detailed video! I’m a single mom trying to prepare for emergencies for my family.
Hello Loria, You might want to take it to a local small engine repair shop and have them get it all fixed up for you. If your handy with this type of thing, you might be able to replace it yourself with the appropriate hose from Lowes or Ace hardware. Thanks!
Great test and great info.
I am still learning about backup generators and power and such.
What is the purpose of having the separate breaker panels? Couldn't you just use the main breaker panels to turn off/on the various devices in the home? Just wondering.
Thanks!
I think this explains it best:
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Also this:
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Thanks!
Did you change your generator from bonded neutral to floating neutral before connecting the 30 Amp cord to your transfer switch? I can't find a straight answer anywhere on that subject. What exactly can happen if you just leave generator as bonded neutral when connecting to transfer switch?
LT, I think grounding is a complex and difficult subject. My general rule is to only bond any system in one place and that is usually the main panel. Everything else should float and that is to reduce the chance of a ground loop. Thanks!
Great video. HOW TO DECREASE THE LIFE OF YOUR GENERATOR. Your killing your stator wires and piston rings. Never exceed 50%of your rated power before break in period (5 to 8 hrs.). Other than that, Very informative. By far this is the best generator in class.
Yes, I think its a good idea to go easy on it during the break in period and in addition I don't like to run my equipment past 80% even after it is broken in. In this case, I ran it for the 1st hour with only 0-2,000 Watts. After that, I ran it to about 6,000 or maybe even 7,000 Watts for the review video but not for too long (maybe 15 minutes). That's 63% of rated continuous load.
can you run the 50amp plug to a transfer switch instead of the 30 amp plug?
I don't see why not as long as you have a 50 amp transfer switch like this one:
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@Homestead Engineering Great video! I bought this unit about 1.5 years ago. I have natural gas at my house no propane. So I was going to get a conversion kit. I called a company that makes them and told him my story. He said did you try it on natural gas yet? I said no. He said try it. So I just hooked it up to my home natural gas, AND IT WORKS. You may want to let your people know when they ask. I run my whole house and central AC on it.
So next time someone asks, just ask them did they try it yet!
What size AC unit?
@@donaldjeansonne8667 I have a Lennox ML14XC1 Series, 3.5 Ton Air Conditioner. I also put a Hard (soft) Start on it.
@@randyr7971 It should handle that easily. I am looking for a 5 Ton AC
@@donaldjeansonne8667 yea, that would be harder, but with a soft start might work. My whole point was that the generator worked on Nat Gas in the propane connection.
Hello Randy, I am not sure but I think the valve size is different between Natural Gas and Propane. So it might run too lean or too rich depending on which way you go. That could damage the engine over time. Again, I am not sure but you might want to check it out before you run it that way. Thanks!
Hi David, any reasons besides cost why you went with this generator and current solar setup instead of a tesla system, diesel generator, or a more powerful generator? Also what role does your propane tank play along with your solar setup? Thanks.
Hello Jamice, well that's a lot to talk about. My solar system cost me $18k and does exactly what I want it to do except that I wish I had a 30kWh Lithium battery bank. The Tesla system I assume would be very pricy and probably would not allow the kind of tinkering that I like to do.
Propane: I plan to use the propane primarily for my cook top, the grill, griddle and for canning. I do have the option to burn it up in the generator in a short term emergency like a hurricane. Would not use it in the generator in a SHTF situation.
Big Generators: I would probably take my 9500Watt solution over the $10k whole house solution even if they were the same price. The problem with those big 15k generators is that they use a tremendous amount of fuel. Running on propane, your looking at about $1,000/week if you run it non-stop. They are really only good for very short power outages.
Any plans to move to lifepo4 batteries to take advantage of the deeper DOC?
Great video--you have fantastic power system.
Thank you!
I'm so excited my new toy is coming Tuesday :)
Sick setup!
Thanks!
I would think with a setup as extravagant as yours, you would have a large whole house generator with an automatic transfer switch installed.
James, I don't really like the big whole house generators for several reasons:
1. They are expensive
2. They are expensive to run
3. You can't really store enough fuel to keep them going for any length of time
So I think they are really only good for very short term power outages. I think if I had no solar, no batteries, nothing at all and I could only have one generator, I would take a little 2k inverter generator. That and 200 gallons of gas would keep the essentials going for a pretty good long time. Thanks!
Just ordered one thanks for the review.
Hope you enjoy it!
How much
@BayCreeper1 it was $1106 amazon taxes and delivery
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03:31 shows the breaker buttons for the outlets. Why does the 50amp far right outlet have a 30A instead of a 50A?
Good question and I don't know the answer. I suspect that the two 30A breakers are for each leg of the 30A plug and the 50A plug is broken by the main breaker. That's just a guess, I really don't know. Let us know if you come across the real answer. Thanks!
Just bought this. My house has (2) 200a service panels, but I’m not pulling anything close to justify having two. Older house so maybe it was needed in the past.
My question is this:
How can I wire both panels into a single 50a inlet? Or would I need two inlets- one for each main?
I pull about 42a max. My AC is a 2 stage 5 ton unit that’s brand new and was my biggest amp draw.
Just wondering how to wire these two 200a panels to a single 50a inlet. Thank you!
I think you could use a single Reliance A510C Transfer Switch and pull just the circuits you need from both panels. You would be able to run 10 critical loads circuits that way. You could not exceed 50A or the rated amount of current for any individual circuit. You would have to be carful about how you hookup the grounds. I am NOT an electrician so I am not sure this would work. I also have two main panels and I used two of these A510C panels to hookup 20 circuits. Here is how I did it: ua-cam.com/video/4HhfdzBunSc/v-deo.html
Note: I can think of a few reasons why this would be problematic. For one thing, you would have to be very careful about flipping the L1 and L2 legs from the different sides. You should definitely get an electrician to help with this one. :)
@@HomesteadEngineering thank you! My biggest concern is my AC condenser says 34.6 min circuit amps. I also have two Westinghouse iGen2500’s I may dedicate for the 120v and use this big guy solely for 240v. Thank you again!
So, just bought a 60a dual pole stab breaker. Stuck it in 200a main and wired directly to a 240v twist lock inlet. I have 2 mains- the one I directly plugged into only draws about 28a maximum. The only 240v load is a water heater.
This generator was showing 240v output, but wasn’t even turning on water heater. Also, ceiling fans were quarter speed at best. I even ran a ground rod, but no good. Used a current clamp at measured 2.8a at peak. Using a inlet and cord rated for 50a.
Really scratching my head on what is going on
I am not intending to leave the system running this way, just wanted to test it.
@@papabearerickson I think you should get an electrician to check this out before you hook your house to it again. The electrician can help you develop a plan that works for you.
I never owned a generator until hurricane Laura hit SWLA. Now we have two and I’m glad we do. Can’t go wrong with em.
Yes, Nothing like a good hurricane to inspire folks to get a backup generator. Same thing happened to me here in Florida about 11 years ago... :)
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When you are running the high loads, I assume it is off of the 50 amp plug. I just purchased this same generator.
Hello Gilbert, Actually I am running on the 30 amp circuit. Thanks!
Using the 80% rule: 30A = 5760W / 50A=9600W
So I'm going to guess that you are an electrical engineer? Pretty impressive
You would be pretty close... Mechanical and Aerospace Engineer specializing in Robotics but I am retired now. Thanks!
Do you know the links where a guy can achieve your setup via DIY? I already have the DuroMax generator, which is very similar to your generator. Thanks.
David, start here: ua-cam.com/video/zb4oar9UHSY/v-deo.html
I also have a complete series here: ua-cam.com/video/lcGjoHS6rnE/v-deo.html
Thanks!
Don’t forget about generator safety as well ua-cam.com/video/I1jT3ANENvI/v-deo.html just reminding everyone to keep family safe while using generators.
Would you get more power if you used the 50amp 14-50 input, instead of the 30 amp plug on the generator?
Thanks
Bill, You should be able to get up to 7,200Watts out of the 30Amp and up to 9,500Watts from the 50Amp. I would not recommend running the generator at the max of 9,500 watts. If you are running something with a high startup current, then you might want to use the 50Amp circuit. Thanks!
@@HomesteadEngineering Thanks Very much
Question:
I just purchased the exact generator. When I disconnect my battery and turn the switch to run . Then I manually try to turn it on with the recoil it doesn’t turn on until I hook up the battery again. Just wondering if your that too. Please me know before I return it.
Thank you
Antonio, I am not sure but I think the battery runs the fuel pump. So the battery must be connected to run the generator. I don't think the battery has to be strong enough to start the generator, just strong enough to run the fuel pump. Thanks!
@@HomesteadEngineering
Thank you For you help
Great video- thank you. What’s your opinion on getting clean power for sensitive electronics using this generator? Seems like a shame to power house but risk damage to phones, computers and tv’s plugged into multiple outlets. Thanks!
Chris, I would not use it to power my sensitive electronics directly. I personally use it to charge a large battery bank and then I use that to power everything in the house. If I did not have the solar battery bank I would look to run the sensitive electronics off some kind of UPS or line conditioner that was OK with the dirty power as input. I think my EchoFlow Pro may serve this purpose but now 100% sure.
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I would put a small UPS box in the outlets for your sensitive electronic loads.
I think that battery connection is so you can plug it straight into a battery tender. Looks just like the one on my Can-Am.
Yes, that is exactly right. Thanks!
Thanks, wow! I’m having an interlock switch installed. Did you re-wire e GFCI connections on the generator, page 18?
Hello John, I have not looked into that so I can't really say. My thought is to only have ground faults enabled in one place but I would read up on it and then consult an electrician. Thanks!
You might also liker this one: ua-cam.com/video/Ovrief1eIAI/v-deo.html
@@HomesteadEngineering thanks, your video you recommended was excellent too. I have the same 9500 Westinghouse you have. I bought it as most cost effective at this time. We have been fortunate for 24 years not losing power for days, but I have always wanted to be prepared and this is my start thanks.
@@johnlicatov6734 Its nice to have the assurance of a backup so you know you can get power if a situation arises. The next step is to safely store fuel and rotate it. I always stock up on fuel at the start of hurricane season here in Florida. When the season passes I will dump it in my truck and burn it up. The last piece is to add a battery backed solar generator like the EcoFlow delta Pro. That way you can run everything in your house for a few hours off the generator while at the same time charging the EcoFlow. Then save gas while running off the EcoFlow for 5-6 hours while the generator rest. Thanks!
The nice thing about running a generator is that it will drown out the noise from your neighbor's generator.
LOL!
Great Video Thank You
Glad you enjoyed it
This thing puts out. It powers my Lincoln invertec 275 welder no problem.
Great!
They sell 30- and 50-amp surge protectors to connect to generators, do you think would that protect sensitive electronics?
Depends on what your buying but unless it is very expensive I doubt it. I think that inverter generators or pure Sin solar generators are best for sensitive electronics.
@@HomesteadEngineering Thank you. I purchased this Westinghouse generator you have here, and I also purchased a couple of 30 amp and 50-amp surge protectors that connect first to the generator and then to the cords running from it, thinking this might protect in some way what I have heard of called dirty power. Thinking what is meant as dirty power as a surge. I may be wrong about that. My knowledge about this is limited. I suppose I need to learn how to build a battery bank and do what you did. Thank you for your reply and any more feedback is most welcome.
Absolutely fantastic video! Really great job with all of your information. Did I hear near the end of the video you were able to run multiple AC units? If yes, what tonnage were each a.c. unit? Thank you!
I was only running 3 window units. I have not tried to run the bigger heat pumps. I basically have my house setup to run off the utility or solar/generator. When on solar, I run the window units and when on utility, I run the big heat pumps. Thanks!
@@HomesteadEngineering thanks for the quick response!! Have a great day!
Does anyone make an aftermarket/improved muffler system for these to help cut down on the noise? Any aftermarket outdoor generator enclosures you could test or recommend?
Not that I am aware of.