France's Ultimate WW1 Selfloading Rifle: The RSC-1918
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The French RSC-1917 semiauto rifle was a major step forward in arms technology during World War One, offering a reliable and effective self-loading rifle for issue to squad leaders, expert marksmen, and other particularly experienced and effective troops. No other military was able to field a semiauto combat shoulder rifle during this was in anything but very limited numbers. However, the RSC-1917 definitely had some shortcomings:
- It was just too long, at the same size as the Lebel
- The specialized clip was a logistical problem
- The gas system was fragile and difficult to clean or disassemble
- The magazine cover was easily damaged
These issues were all addressed in the Model 1918 upgrade of the rifle, although it was too late to see active service in the Great War. The new pattern was substantially shorter (both the stock and barrel), it used the standard Berthier 5-round clip, it had a substantially strengthened magazine cover, and a much improved gas system.
Today, we will compare the various features of the 1917 and 1918 rifles, and disassemble the 1918 gas system to show how it worked. Special thanks to Paul for letting me use his rifles! Check him out on Instagram: / canadiangunlover
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Notice how all the French rifles get 30 minute videos
Ian mentioned in a separate video some time ago that this was a final collection piece for his French WW1 rifles. Basically he won the gun no matter the price and doesn't mind detail stripping the complex system since it's basically his
Oui.
And hats!
In honor of how long they lasted in ww2
@@AreYouFinnished this is owned by fireplace guy I think
You can tell this one's important because Ian's recording it whilst awaiting a German offensive.
Depending on the year and area of the front, you should always be awaiting one of those.
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@@happyveliz you speak the truth
I like to imagine that Ian doesn't remove his helmet while filming the table aspect of his videos.
People that hate guns, people that just want to see someone shooting the featured gun at watermelons and don't care for anything else, people that though it had something to do with a videogame, and people whom just missed the like button.
@@curseofa5r5a what?
@@curseofa5r5a ok and
Sadly no. Woulda been cool though.
I strongly suspect that a late edition 1918 that is in the collection of a friend of mine was first issued to colonial forces in Southeast Asia. That particular rifle was captured and found it's way to the U.S. in 1969, by way of South Vietnam, when my friend rotated back home. His is fully functional and is one of his most prized firearms.
Indeed some RSC 1918 still in reserve were issued to troops going to Indochina. Scarse find !
Yeah, it´s one of the best places to find ´odd´ old guns and war materiele. Indochina´s littered with all sort of old military radio equipment, multiple generations, same for firearms... So it´s likely a good chance it´s an authentic gun.
@@jacqirius Rotten place? Beautiful people, incredible history, paradise like beaches. The only thing Rotten there was foreign colonialism. Sounds like you are still salty about being beaten in combat by a people you thought inferior to you. Good riddance, South east Asia is far better off today.
@Zevin, you okay there buddy? Your reply comes with far more salt than the previous guy.
While I do agree it isn’t a horrible place, in context to the war, Vietnam was a horrible war for pretty much everyone. So it’s no surprise for some people to call it a horrible place.
@@Atourq Salt? Salt is when you get a bad hand in a poker game, Salt is when you get tickets to your favorite sports game and they lose. I suppose I actually care about the people in south east Asia since I lived there for over a year. I have seen the damage done by the largest mass murder and war crimes campaign done by a super power since Nazi Germany in Vietnam with 3 million dead.
Rotten place for the soldiers sure, but that rot was caused by foreign colonialism and wars of imperialism. That rot was a byproduct of foreign interference. It would be like a Wehrmacht soldier calling Poland a rotten place, after they ravaged the country. I happen to find Poland a pretty lovely country, if there was anything rotten about the place to a soldier, maybe they should look in a mirror.
Look at it from the perspective of an American, imagine a European saying they got a 1858 Remington revolver, followed by, "glad you got it out of that rotten place" referring to America. Might take issue with that right? Even with all of America's faults and crimes, I don't consider it a rotten place.
Speaking of French rifles, thanks for purchasing the Lebel from my pop's gun shop.
I really liked that rifle, luckly it's in good hands now
Abe Dekok ever have a lebel pistol?
seen them in books, not in the real world
Abe Dekok nice enough to shoot. I found them to be very accurate with 32.20 winchester shells cut down and 32 hollowbase projectiles. Well made piece good for large hands
I can tell Ian is very happy with this one
Edit; In one of his Q&As, this was one of the guns he really wanted to review.
EdM240B I would say it's because this gun is a very rare treasure and it shows that when the french stop thinking in their napoleonic style of thinking they can make very good guns.
Indeed, you can see his halo bloom over him due to his happiness, oh btw m240G FTW ;-)
Himmelganger Big Daddy Bravo
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We have to notice that such a complete dissassembly was Not allowed to the troopers on the field; this was the task only allowed to second level "armuriers".
I love how close they were to making a magazine fed rifle. Just make the bottom part fully detachable, and able to hold cartridges, and you’re good to go.
Ikr so close meanwhile the Americans succeeded with the m1918 bar and 5e Russians with the i think e rusalka fedorov
@@Ihaveadognamedmariothe federov to my knowledge was only ever a prototype gun
They did that because stripper clips are cheaper than making millions of mags
@@nexusthenormie5578no they saw limited service in the red army
@@nexusthenormie55783500 prototypes issued as LMG's? Hmmm
Who downvotes these? With the amount of information visual and historical why would you ever downvote Ian?
Christopher Dossett miserable people
Meunier Rifle fanboys.
They wanted their 7mm french autoloader rifle
I personally like all rifles....well learning about them....shooting is a different story
Neo-Nazis who dislike his Francophilia?
I could understand why someone would insta-dislike a video about guns in general... or France in general :'D
The devil in me wants to see a mud test........
That channel in the receiver just screams immediate failure.
I know!! That's the devil part of it.
D3faulted1 some people want to see the world burn
>Treating antiques that have earned their rest poorly.
These beauties have already been bathed in the blood of the fascists! Mettle tested and surpassed!
I don't know much about French guns but I can say one thing for certain, this is the most Frenchiest gun ever. Just, someone with no knowledge of firearms could just glance at it in passing and go "toe to tip, that's French." Marvelous.
Ah, yes, the three inventors: *clears throat* Showsaw and Suture.
This rifle was way ahead of it's time.
Be cool to see a modern version
I would like to believe that Ian wore that helmet even when he was off screen
I just love this is a video on a French rifle with Ian wearing a French helmet and sitting in front of French doors.
*[Grins in French]* This gun is so beautiful, living proof that the French did make some good guns in WWI.
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Some? A part from the chauchat virtually all French guns do what they're supposed to do every time you pull the trigger.
Well, bad magazines for the 8mm Lebel version. Pretty much everything was bad about the .30-06 version the Americans tried to use,
AtholAnderson
The shit reputation of the Chauchat comes from the crappy work of the guys at Springfield
The American Chauchat in .30-06 problem was incorrect chamber dimensions. From reading the book Honour Bound I pretty much concluded that the USArmy inspection team at the Gladiator factory wasn't doing their job. It shouldn't be that hard to get a proper chamber reamer.
The French made a lot of great guns in general; the reputation comes from poor headspacing done on an unfamilar cartridge on rushed orders for the Chauchat.
Hi Ian. Thank you for making such solid content. My friend and I have been watching you for 2 years in Ireland! Really enjoy it keep up the brilliant work!
I have the designs for Both the RSC FSA 1917, and the RSC 1918 ( Berthier 1916) chargeurs.
After COVID-19, work will start on Tooling to make them Both.
Vive la Companie! ( with our Berthier 1890 Chargeur)
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Fantastic! Please let me know when you have something ready that I can help promote!
@@ForgottenWeapons Ian, it will take well into 2021, due to Corona and other charger projects with priority.
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As always, very informative. Thank you Ian.
This rifle makes me really wonder what all the interwar weirdness in semi auto rifles is about. All this RSC 1918 design would have needed is maybe a little bit lightening, adaption to a more modern (more straight) Cartridge and a 10 round magazine and it would have been good to go for decades. Certainly with that bolt I bet it is probably more safe and accurate than allmost all other semi auto weapons that came in the next thirty years.
A combination of low budgets, focus on LMGs, and interference from folks who didn't like holes being drilled into infantry rifle barrels for some reason.
@@hailexiao2770 Could hardly be any bigger than the hole that's already in it! Lol
jokes on you the RCS 1918 was tested more accurate than the lebel itself
That gun looks really satisfying to cycle.
Thanks for sharing this one. I love these rifles.
The SDI segue was spot on. Reminds me of every Trish Regan video ever done, it's there before you see it coming.
Wow Im amazed at the design for its time. bolt hold open!? many guns sold today dont even have that feature!
I love the helmet! Very stylish, and practical.
*Thanks for letting us know, good work!!!*
Those were some real *bottom of the barrel* markings.
OgreSwordsman[FIN] boooooo
Augh, you fucker
Great video Gun Jesus keep up the good work
Omg! You truly are the one gun Messiah !!!
Thanks for sharing this amazing piece of fire arm history with us!
Bathe me with your knowledge Gun Jesus! Yes! YES! Hahaha!
I've been waiting for a video of these guns being fired since your first video on a RCS and now I get one tomorrow
I do know that the French MAS 49/56 is an awesome semi auto battle rifle. The MAS 36 is a great bolt action. Both in 7.5 French. I own both. I'd love to own that also. I love firearm history.
i admit i'm little jealous in france they are hard to get... thank's our dumbass gouvernement,
my grand father work on mas 36
(he is a machining head i dont sure about the traduction)
if your mas il one of the latter versions its maybe be passed on the hands of my grand father ! ;)
I imagined the owner standing just out of frame watching you fumble with the magazine cover. lol
I'm totally not a gun person ! However you delve into such wonderful mechanical detail and also into the history !
Very good work !
Soon Ian will have a FRENCH FIREARMS ONLY channel lol
French-gotten weapons.
Past experience says that, when Gun Jesus has "disassembly" in the title of the video, there will probably be a firing demonstration tomorrow.
Perceptive. :)
Forgotten Weapons I remember the good old days when a video had it all. But this does make more sense for you.
As always, best firearms information series on the net. I recommend Forgotten Weapons every opportunity I get.
Ps. I bet you are fairly tired of the 'gun jesus' bit by now?
Hollowed be thy name
I figure it's better than most of the alternatives.
agreed. 'gun judas' would not work well....
Karl is gun Judas.
David Drake It's not that bad of a nickname. For example, if he had a different moustache and hairstyle he could have been reffered to as the Gun Führer. Then we would witness one of his typical rages when he encountered a weapon feature that he dislikes. Those SA80 videos would be "interesting" to watch.
Not sure whether the "Ultimate" in the title is Ian being very literal or whether he just really likes the gun
"Ultimate" as in final and best.
that's just what i needed.
All that French to pronounce. Ian’s in heaven
Back in 1962 my dad put our farm land into the soil bank, and we moved to town so my two sisters could attend high school. The first apartment we moved into was a small house that belonged to a very old cigar smoking man who was nearly deaf. It had a kitchen/living room/dining room combo, and one bed room which mom and dad took. The girls slept in the combo room on a day bed and a couch, and I slept on the other side of the house, going through the old man's part and in a small bedroom with two beds, I shared this with a transient who rented the bed from the old man. In the corner of my bedroom lay an old Amy Footlocker with the old man's son's name on it, he had served in WWII. Atop a wardrobe was a helmet that looked exactly like the one you wore in this video. In the foot locker were the son's bringhomes, there was an officers dagger with the pearl like handle and swastika, with sheath and some sort of shoulder rig, and a knife from the Hitler Youth. There was also a small French revolver, the fellow's medals and a lot of other items that a boy of 10 was not very interested in. Oh there was one of those little peep plastic deals with a topless lady in it, that was my favorite. Sure wish I had that footlocker today. The old man, his son, and for that matter that house are all dead and gone now, I suppose the folks who were left got it all and have the knives. Wish I had taken them, I doubt the old fart would have noticed, but I have never been a thief, even when I was ten. I sure did like playing with those knives though, never gave any thought to their value, and back then they were probably worthless.
it looks like the little block in the mag well that the clips would be sitting against would determine if the rifle use the custom or standard clips becuase the 1918 block seems to be longer to compesate for the standards clip shorter length, so converting it may be as simple as swaping the block out if its not permently attached to the receiver
That was a real eye opener for me, thanks, I didnt realise that slrs were about, this early.
One thing that occurs to me,, looking at the gas blocks in all the riles that you break down - all seem to make the bled off the barrel gas traverse 90 degree bands/corners, fro bleed hole to gas lock piston. using proven aerddynamic principles, there is going to be a lot of turbulence/inneficiency in gas flow. My intuition yell me that. also, a flat face for gas pistons is not a good idea. (maybe, concave is better).
I feel pretty confident, tha tmore energy could be applied to the bolt cycling, if good physics isr applied to achieve better gas flow. This could make the difference to the rifle operating oh with weaker ammo
How could anyone NOT want to see more of Ian in a funny hat..like duh.
i believe it was something call an M&S 8.3mm rifle with a 42" barrel counting the flash suppressor
I wonder how a 30 aught 6 converted RSC-1918 would have done in the trials against the M-1 Garand.
Ian your accent in French is near perfect ! Try to remenber this: Tulle prononciation is Tul; Fusil is Fuzi; etc Thank you very much for your dedication !
I pity the fool who was cleaning/field stripping that gun when a surprise attack happened. Awesome content as always.
Nice video thanks
Great vid.
Ian you are my favorite UA-camr
Des armes merveille. Wonderful old guns, hard to deal with the rims in a semi. What was reliability of cycling in service though?
They probably changed it to a pin instead of a screw because the screw either backed itself out under recoil or its easier than tapping the reciever.
I love the magazine
I want him to start a series on his helmets and hats... history, design, (disassembly?)
Sweet Adrian helmet, Ian!
seems like it would be a fairly expensive/complicated manufacture. like the way the gas port on the barrel has that threaded block. just seems a little more complex than needed.
Ian, thank you for this great representation. I hope one day you can explain why France held onto the Lebel cartridge for as long as they did, as this really does seem like the last gasp of this particular ammunition. You may have done that already and I missed it, but I had to ask. Cheers, mate.
Same reason the Brits held onto 303 and the US held onto 30-06 most likely, money and logistics issues that is.
@@Tiger351 For .30-06 it was logistics and Macarthur
you know it's gonna be good when the first thing you see is Ian grinning while wearing a silly helmet
Paul is my bro! We tried to get Paul to bring you down to shoot with us when you were here!
Ian-when i was a teenager i belonged to the NRA youth program and one of the rifles we learned to fire was a 8.3mm anti material weapon-it was bolt action 3 shot and the built-in clip came out the right side of the weapon-it was a ww1 weapon-can u find it and examine it
what a cool rifle
I see it has a flat trigger, so it's automatically excellent for IPSC and 3 gun
25:00 You can see that the arm supports at the front of the clip on the 1918 are extended with separate pieces, with the base part being made on the same tooling.
Have you found enough 1917 clips for a two gun run yet?
YAY FORGOTTEN WEAPONS
After you made various videos on french self-loading rifles & the "proud promise" book, prices went up SUBSTANTIALLY. They used to be 50-100 dollars and now they're 500-2000.😣
Had an opportunity to buy a parts kit and de milled receiver of one of these. Hadn't jumped at the opportunity because parts are near impossible to source
Yo! Adrian!
Underrated comment.
Back when I was a kid they used to sell all kinds of WWI Surplus from the bargain barrel between $5 - $7.50 for all the French firearms 1959-68. Back in the golden days of surplus.
This is when you realise how great the Kalash is... could have stripped and reassembled a dozen AKs in the time it took to do the first half of one of these.
Tell me Ian, how can you look so incredibly handsome with every single helmet you put on, no matter how goofy it looks?
Whatta chad
This was a pleasant surprise to see in my feed
Are there any videos out there of someone firing an RSC? Would love to see one of those!
There will be tomorrow...
Hopefully I'll get around to putting mine on video, but I think Ian's gonna be me to the punch....
I took the two rifles in this video out to the range.
Forgotten Weapons I don't know if this would interest you Ian, but here: www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/viewcategories.asp?idCategory=67
SmokeThatSkinwagon I figured if Ian isn't aware, he'd find something he was looking for. I was quite impressed with some of the stuff they have
This is my favorite medic gun in BF1!
Same, although the fedorov gives it strong competition in cqb!
best rifle in Verdun
It is stupidly overpowered with it's two shot kill from 100 meters. And I absolutely love it.
hey ian, i would assume that the rasp marks on the stock was indicative of war time production, but what's with the brazing on the magazine covers? also, i thought the barrel band retention springs were cool. they've been in use since the pattern of 1728 musket. i just thought that was interesting.
It occurs to me that that gas port plug is probably made of brass for corrosion resistance. It looks difficult to clean thoroughly.
Oooo I like the helmet
Are you going to take a trip to the Springfield armory museum at any point? I go to college in Springfield not too far away from it and would love to have the chance to meet you and talk guns
LOL COOL HELMET DUDE!
Does anyone know why the gasport plug is drilled through the both sides? Was it ease of manufacturing? For venting? Or there isn't any particular reason and I'm just overthinking the ''issue''. And as always well done to Ian; great video.
I can't stop looking at that helmet.
Man I want a adrian helmet there so cool looking
Is it yours!? I recall you wanting one after the 1917 video. If so, I'm glad for you.
Nope, not mine.
I'd like to know the purpose of those copper stripes on both sides of the guns' magazine covers. Does anyone have an idea? It seems like the pattern has changed between the 1917 and 1918 as well.
It looks like some kind of brazing material used to join 2 pieces together to me, could be wrong though.
On a 30 minute video, there's a strong correlation between Ian saying "Stick around for that" and SnoopReddogg cancelling his next appointments...
I.05 merits the plural. Hence "centuries this has been around".
I have a sneaking suspicion that Ian does all of the disassemblies while blindfolded
You should do a side by side comparable with a garamd
Concerning conversion to "bolt action" - one could just replace the brass gas plug with a solid brass cylinder, with the same threading and screwdriver slot, so as to not prevent the rifle from ever being converted back. Not sure how well that'd work IRL, but I wonder if anyone has tried something like that before.
M1 garand have pretty similar type of system. Rotating bolt ,gas operating, off rod, enblock clip,
Garand was heavily inspired by the RSC rifles.
I'd guess the pin is easier to replace if list in the field.
Curiosity question:
Since the 1918 engages the clips on the notch at the top, and the follower pushes on the cartridges from the bottom, would a three-round berthier clip also work in the 1918 rifle?
from 16:20 to 16:50 he is just struggling with the magazine. those are some awkward moments where a wwi rifle tries to resist
Jesus!...
After so much work disassembling it, cleaning it and putting it back together, it'd better be a hell of a gun...
I've yet to see the shooting part.
One of the most dangerous weapons on bf1
When loading, do you just insert the clip and close the cover, or do you have to strip the rounds and remove the clip? (I assume the former, in this case).
Ian's happy, he gets to mess with an old French gun ;)
Being the rifle is so rare, and it has been said there are none in any museum in NA or Europe, is it possible to place a value on a complete RSC1918?
Remington should produce the 1918 model
Could one have used a 3 round Berthier clip in the RSC 1918?