This was a big help! I've been trying to figure out why Vegas was doing this for months. Thank you very much for answering this question (and explaining why what was happening was happening)! This worked for me!
Definitely in my case, Vegas DOES NOT darken the render!! It’s just that the video APPEARS washed out in the preview window (for other technical reasons) and if I were to edit based on that I would be in a right mess. I have a second identical monitor for Video Preview with “Adjust levels from studio RGB to computer RGB” selected and this shows the clip exactly as it has come out of the camera sitting on the time line, how it will be rendered and how it will look on my TV, all EXACTLY the same. If I haven’t added any effects there will be no change in the render from the original whatsoever.
I'm gonna have to watch this several times.... i have noticed when i play my series episodes they seem to be brighter and look like they should have more gamma...hmmmm, this is another great episode Josh where i will have to use it as a reference and i believe one i will go back to again and again, thanks for learning this for your subscribers, you truly are an asset to the Vegas community, Mike
Hey @Scrapyard Films! Not sure if you remember me but I was one of first (if not the first) people to request this video a few months back! Just checked today and am happy you made it! Thanks!
Hi Josh, thanks so much for putting this video together. It's a far better level of explanation than I've seen on any other "vegas render fix" video (which are basically all just "slap levels plugin with computer rgb on it"). It's great to know what tools to bring up to properly visualize and understand whats happening as the levels presets are applied. I'll be going through this vid a few times with a vegas project up to get my output and preview matching properly. Great effort and result mate. Hugely appreciated. Many thanks! Paul H
@@ScrapyardFilms Your welcome. I try to do the same on my channel with my saxophone tuition videos. I do a bit deeper explanation of the principles because i think people learn much better if they have a deeper understanding rather than just taking someones word for it. :) Keep up the great work!
I drag the "Brightness and Contrast" effect to the preview screen (Master), have it be the last effect (if there are other effects you have in the Master section) and i set contrast to -124. It renders and looks EXACTLY how I edited the video.
What do you mean? Did you drag the brightness and contrast to the fx button over preview to apply to all clips? Did you also do the stuff he does in the video?
A solution that fix this for me: In Project Properties, change Pixel format to: 32-bit floating point (video levels) Rendering seems to take longer but my preview now looks the same as rendered.
Thank you for sharing this. Oh my, now I understand why my rendered results have always differed from what I could see in my edit window. This will greatly improve the quality of my future projects!
Dude thank you so much for everything, you're a genius. I'm going to use all your tips in my next gaming montages...keep up the content and you will explode
Thanks Josh, this video finally answered my question i've had for years. "Why do i loose the detail in my bights and darks every time i render" (e.g. my black leather desk chair too black i cant see the shadow lines.....my skin shades have less detail. and my grey misty rain far away in my sky background now has gone and cant see it's raining there anymore after rendering). This video has kept my videos with more of the original detail after rendering than before I watched it. But super embarrassing with my intellectual disability I know i'm only getting 2/3rds results. Matching what i can see with my eyes but I'm not fully understanding the speech explaining the LEVELS plugins :( If you could ever re-explain this 5:30 onwards in more layman's terms I'd be really thankful. I just want to fully understand how to set my preview PC screen to fully match what my final file will look like. Thanks
I hope I got the color on the LIKE button right. Easy to follow along, and it was interesting too. Vegas was thinking... That said....For somebody like me who makes videos that can put an insomniac to sleep, When do I make an adjustment...before the edit? or before the rendering?
Hey bro i have a problem on vegas 17 build 421 about the audio problem..when i try to import audio to vegas by project i cant find any audios only videos. And when i drag down audio it works but the audio is highly distorted. I've did alot of research they say i need to turn off (enable so4 compound reader for AVC/M2ST) and restart vegas and it still doesn't work. But the audio from video it self is fine no problem at all. Please help!. This might help other people too.
to correct the colors/brightness and whatever I have to open plugins I don't even have, meaning search for them and download, then go watch this again step by step not even knowing what the hell it is about still. many hours later still no progress. all that for just wanting my video to render the colours and all how it is as the basefile . I mean like wtf. what a headache , sorry I am not that nerdy. sjeez , I gave up. EDIT: turns out I had a different problem. Changed project properties pixel format from 32 bit full range to 8 bit. 32 bit messed up my colours and brightness in some ways. I don't know why or how it was on 32 bit, must have been my own mistake. I am not that experienced in this software.
Hey bro, my problem is different from any other, is about the effects nois and chroma, I see one thing in the preview but when I render the noise is clean, has more brigth, nobody talks about the effects after rendering just about brigth and darkness, what could I do ? do u know ?
This was very complex; to keep it much simpler. 16-235 content /colors will match when rendered. 0-255 content you have to add “ Computer to studio levels”. Ie. iPhone footage will look identical when played back (16-235) Gopro will not (0-255)
need help. did some maskin and traking, the preview show it 100 percent perfectly, buy when rendering/ render...the masking is off, wat can i do? i already spent days on that project. i tried to do a screen capture, but the preview is laggy
Thank you If I have aphone video and I want to merely render it at 640x640 @ 512 It end up with very low resolution and the video is barely visible Take in mind I want to save Data The question does a vertical phone video do that to me I do not have a problem if the origional video was horizontal Please tell me Pretty Please
i hate vvegas so much why is it so complicated why can't it render normaly like adobe? this is dumb im thinking so much about switching and i dont wanna do it.. infinite crashes dumb dark renders its stupid..
Hello I have seen your Sony Vegas difference video between 17 to 16 and I wanted to ask a question regarding Sony Vegas is there any way to do frame by frame audio scrubbing? Where you click the arrow keys and it plays a frame with audio: Similar to Adobe Premiere Pro Thank you in advance and all the best from me!
I'm not sure unfortunately. I always just look at the waveforms of the audio tracks when I'm scrubbing through audio. I know you can reprogram keys to do what you want so it may be possible.
Love the content man, just a suggestion idk if you know about it, but theres an extension for vegas called Vegasaur, would be cool to see an overview about it from you.
Wow! I'm loving your tutorials, I'm a complete novice with a drone...lol One thing I noticed was that in 'Levels' you have a 'TV' plugin which I don't, despite having bought my Vegas Pro 17 software just a week ago. Is it turned off somewhere? Do you have any tips on using a 4K 65" OLED TV as a monitor? Thanks in advance....
Thanks! That TV Level's option is actually a free 3rd party extension: www.semw-software.com/en/extensions/ It's not really necessary if you're following the instructions in this video but it's still nice to have.
So I'm using Vegas 16, how can I perform the lift function in 16 since 16 doesn't have that feature? Is there some other way to do that? Vegas 16 has gamma, gain and offset just no "lift".
Hi buddy thanks for this video, awesome. Just one thing if you can help me. Am having issues with photoshop updates and sony vegas pro ie when i edit a file in photoshop and try to save it whilst open in vegas it does not allow me or it comes up with an error. Any ideas how to resolve this instead closing vegas and reopening after saving the psd file. Thanks
Thanks for a very informative vid. The bigger problem I have had is that my audio is always more muted than what I hear from my vegas project, and I have to boost it over what I want to get the final result to sound correctly. Is there any similar process for audio where the rendered video's audio sounds exactly like it does in my project?
Honestly I don't think so. I haven't had any change in sound in any of my videos. Have you tried listening to your videos on a different computer or your phone and still experience low volume?
@@ScrapyardFilms Yep, I have on many devices. I used to use Studio One for all my sound engineering, which seemed to have no problem. Its not a huge difference in sound, but its noticeable. I was wondering if Vegas applies some sort of normalization pass at rendering time which could account for the difference. Maybe its in the codec?
This was a big help! I've been trying to figure out why Vegas was doing this for months. Thank you very much for answering this question (and explaining why what was happening was happening)! This worked for me!
Definitely in my case, Vegas DOES NOT darken the render!! It’s just that the video APPEARS washed out in the preview window (for other technical reasons) and if I were to edit based on that I would be in a right mess.
I have a second identical monitor for Video Preview with “Adjust levels from studio RGB to computer RGB” selected and this shows the clip exactly as it has come out of the camera sitting on the time line, how it will be rendered and how it will look on my TV, all EXACTLY the same. If I haven’t added any effects there will be no change in the render from the original whatsoever.
This comment was useful, thank you
thank you, even that one part of applying "computer rgb to studio rgb" helped a lot
I'm gonna have to watch this several times.... i have noticed when i play my series episodes they seem to be brighter and look like they should have more gamma...hmmmm, this is another great episode Josh where i will have to use it as a reference and i believe one i will go back to again and again, thanks for learning this for your subscribers, you truly are an asset to the Vegas community, Mike
Thanks Mike! I hope Pipe Trek makes a comeback!
After all these years, I've finally found way to solve this problem once and for all! Thank you so much!
Hey @Scrapyard Films! Not sure if you remember me but I was one of first (if not the first) people to request this video a few months back! Just checked today and am happy you made it! Thanks!
Hi Josh, thanks so much for putting this video together. It's a far better level of explanation than I've seen on any other "vegas render fix" video (which are basically all just "slap levels plugin with computer rgb on it"). It's great to know what tools to bring up to properly visualize and understand whats happening as the levels presets are applied. I'll be going through this vid a few times with a vegas project up to get my output and preview matching properly.
Great effort and result mate. Hugely appreciated. Many thanks! Paul H
I appreciate the kind words! I like to explain why I do what I do so you can learn and grow as a video editor.
@@ScrapyardFilms Your welcome. I try to do the same on my channel with my saxophone tuition videos. I do a bit deeper explanation of the principles because i think people learn much better if they have a deeper understanding rather than just taking someones word for it. :) Keep up the great work!
I drag the "Brightness and Contrast" effect to the preview screen (Master), have it be the last effect (if there are other effects you have in the Master section) and i set contrast to -124. It renders and looks EXACTLY how I edited the video.
That's it eh? You don't adjust color or brightness or anything else?
@@dinnersat630 no. And i moved to vegas pro 18...this issue is FINALLY Defeated
Right on so 18 doesn't render too dark by default or what?
@@dinnersat630 its just right
What do you mean? Did you drag the brightness and contrast to the fx button over preview to apply to all clips? Did you also do the stuff he does in the video?
Wow! Thank you for this video. VERY insightful information!
Good stuff! As a personal rule, I'll let my dark info get lost all day as long as it looks good, but the brights are much more touchy.
Nice! There's that "artistic look" I mentioned.
man why so complicated ? i mean thanks but ... why vegas is like this ? i just wanna export my video , nothing else lol
A solution that fix this for me: In Project Properties, change Pixel format to: 32-bit floating point (video levels) Rendering seems to take longer but my preview now looks the same as rendered.
THIS! ITs what ive been doing for years, also helps with banding on 8 bit footage under a heavy grade
Thank you for sharing this. Oh my, now I understand why my rendered results have always differed from what I could see in my edit window. This will greatly improve the quality of my future projects!
Glad it was helpful!
THANK YOU SO MUCH. It's been months and I just couldn't find the issue. This is a life saver!
Dude thank you so much for everything, you're a genius. I'm going to use all your tips in my next gaming montages...keep up the content and you will explode
you have no idea how much I needed this!!!! thank you so much!!!
Excellent Video. Extremely helpful tips!
Thanks Josh, this video finally answered my question i've had for years. "Why do i loose the detail in my bights and darks every time i render" (e.g. my black leather desk chair too black i cant see the shadow lines.....my skin shades have less detail. and my grey misty rain far away in my sky background now has gone and cant see it's raining there anymore after rendering).
This video has kept my videos with more of the original detail after rendering than before I watched it. But super embarrassing with my intellectual disability I know i'm only getting 2/3rds results. Matching what i can see with my eyes but I'm not fully understanding the speech explaining the LEVELS plugins :(
If you could ever re-explain this 5:30 onwards in more layman's terms I'd be really thankful. I just want to fully understand how to set my preview PC screen to fully match what my final file will look like. Thanks
YOURE A FUCKING LIFE SAVER THANK YOUUUUUUUUUUUU
Why can't it just render the source file's native colors? I drop an image or a video clip and they get messed up in render.
I hope I got the color on the LIKE button right. Easy to follow along, and it was interesting too. Vegas was thinking...
That said....For somebody like me who makes videos that can put an insomniac to sleep, When do I make an adjustment...before the edit? or before the rendering?
Awesome!!!
Hey bro i have a problem on vegas 17 build 421 about the audio problem..when i try to import audio to vegas by project i cant find any audios only videos. And when i drag down audio it works but the audio is highly distorted. I've did alot of research they say i need to turn off (enable so4 compound reader for AVC/M2ST) and restart vegas and it still doesn't work. But the audio from video it self is fine no problem at all. Please help!. This might help other people too.
How are you recording these videos?
@@ScrapyardFilms download version build 421 and if ur lucky enough to have the problem
Great Job as always.
Hey Josh, thanks for teaching really helpful tips when it comes to Vegas Pro. Mind if I ask you on where did you get that PC levels plugin?
Douglas72 just so you know, you can download it from the SeMw Extensions pack. Google it. It’s free.
Douglas is correct. I use the SeMW extension.
when i render my video it doesnt get darker but its get quieter, how do i fix this?
to correct the colors/brightness and whatever I have to open plugins I don't even have, meaning search for them and download, then go watch this again step by step not even knowing what the hell it is about still. many hours later still no progress. all that for just wanting my video to render the colours and all how it is as the basefile . I mean like wtf. what a headache , sorry I am not that nerdy. sjeez , I gave up.
EDIT: turns out I had a different problem. Changed project properties pixel format from 32 bit full range to 8 bit. 32 bit messed up my colours and brightness in some ways. I don't know why or how it was on 32 bit, must have been my own mistake. I am not that experienced in this software.
Wow.. Incredible, powerful, much needed info!! U got yourself a new subscriber right here 🙏🙏
Awesome! Thank you!
can you use this when doing gaming videos?
im doing gaming videos for youtube, so is there a few less steps i need to do to make the rgb range perfect?
Hey bro, my problem is different from any other, is about the effects nois and chroma, I see one thing in the preview but when I render the noise is clean, has more brigth, nobody talks about the effects after rendering just about brigth and darkness, what could I do ? do u know ?
Nice video brother. Lots of love ❤😘
Thank you very much
Dude thanks for this!
This was very complex; to keep it much simpler. 16-235 content /colors will match when rendered. 0-255 content you have to add “ Computer to studio levels”. Ie. iPhone footage will look identical when played back (16-235) Gopro will not (0-255)
Ohm y days this is to much for me i need some help big time on my vegas pro 15 ... my videos are so dark its unwatchable :/ L
need help. did some maskin and traking, the preview show it 100 percent perfectly, buy when rendering/ render...the masking is off, wat can i do? i already spent days on that project. i tried to do a screen capture, but the preview is laggy
Hello. When I click 'View', there's nothing there that says window. Is there another way to fix this, please? Thanks!
VERY HELPFUL!!!!!!
Hey yes, i love the new intro too, maybe you can do a tutorial on how you did some of the elements in it? Looks awesome!!
I definitely will. It's a little tedious but the result is great!
my render is still dark :'(
Thank you If I have aphone video and I want to merely render it at 640x640 @ 512 It end up with very low resolution and the video is barely visible Take in mind I want to save Data The question does a vertical phone video do that to me I do not have a problem if the origional video was horizontal
Please tell me Pretty Please
i hate vvegas so much why is it so complicated why can't it render normaly like adobe? this is dumb im thinking so much about switching and i dont wanna do it.. infinite crashes dumb dark renders its stupid..
I agree. I only have this issue in Vegas. I don't know what jagoff over at Magix thought this was a good idea.
Hello I have seen your Sony Vegas difference video between 17 to 16 and I wanted to ask a question regarding Sony Vegas is there any way to do frame by frame audio scrubbing? Where you click the arrow keys and it plays a frame with audio: Similar to Adobe Premiere Pro Thank you in advance and all the best from me!
I'm not sure unfortunately. I always just look at the waveforms of the audio tracks when I'm scrubbing through audio. I know you can reprogram keys to do what you want so it may be possible.
@@ScrapyardFilms Thank you very much for your reply the advice you suggested was very useful noted!
Love the content man, just a suggestion idk if you know about it, but theres an extension for vegas called Vegasaur, would be cool to see an overview about it from you.
If Vegasaur wants to sponsor a video, I'd be more than happy to promote it!
Wow! I'm loving your tutorials, I'm a complete novice with a drone...lol One thing I noticed was that in 'Levels' you have a 'TV' plugin which I don't, despite having bought my Vegas Pro 17 software just a week ago. Is it turned off somewhere? Do you have any tips on using a 4K 65" OLED TV as a monitor? Thanks in advance....
Thanks! That TV Level's option is actually a free 3rd party extension: www.semw-software.com/en/extensions/
It's not really necessary if you're following the instructions in this video but it's still nice to have.
@@ScrapyardFilms Thanks for replying, I’ve already started seeing a huge difference in videos...👍
Hi , if i understand , Vegas pro 17 renders too dark ? Is this the same with Vegas movie studio 17 ?
Thanks
So I'm using Vegas 16, how can I perform the lift function in 16 since 16 doesn't have that feature? Is there some other way to do that? Vegas 16 has gamma, gain and offset just no "lift".
Superb tutorials, why vegas is not use for wedding film ? I serch lot no one use vegas for wedding ?
many editors use Vegas pro for weddings and not only for weddings.Its one of the best NLE out there.
thanks a lot
You're welcome!
Nice new intro!
Thanks! Made entirely in VEGAS Effects!
Hi buddy thanks for this video, awesome. Just one thing if you can help me. Am having issues with photoshop updates and sony vegas pro ie when i edit a file in photoshop and try to save it whilst open in vegas it does not allow me or it comes up with an error. Any ideas how to resolve this instead closing vegas and reopening after saving the psd file. Thanks
Yea levels didn’t work
ok so how the fuck do I add a rex79 filter?
this is one of those problems that appears for absloutely no reason at all
Thanks for a very informative vid. The bigger problem I have had is that my audio is always more muted than what I hear from my vegas project, and I have to boost it over what I want to get the final result to sound correctly. Is there any similar process for audio where the rendered video's audio sounds exactly like it does in my project?
Honestly I don't think so. I haven't had any change in sound in any of my videos. Have you tried listening to your videos on a different computer or your phone and still experience low volume?
@@ScrapyardFilms Yep, I have on many devices. I used to use Studio One for all my sound engineering, which seemed to have no problem. Its not a huge difference in sound, but its noticeable. I was wondering if Vegas applies some sort of normalization pass at rendering time which could account for the difference. Maybe its in the codec?
I cannot find the PC level plug ins in my Vegas
I also do not have the "PC" (or the "TV") presets in my Levels options. Newest build 452. Any ideas?
@@dougbuseck6571 y'all figured it out?
Oh my God... I just realised, after rendering a 7th still image video, what Vegas Pro- not actually a pro) It’s a lying pro) Thanks!
This is a very IMPORTANT info so, I really wonder WHY there´s some #/%/"#&? givind "dislikes" here...!!!! Amazing.
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