The 2025 Kia Carnival Hybrid Is The 32 MPG Un-Minivan We've Been Waiting For!
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
- With the largest cargo area in the segment, a roomy 3rd row and more tech than the rest of the minivan segment put together, Kia is really gunning for the shrinking minivan market in a big way. Add to that their first hybrid drivetrain option and you've got a solid alternative to the Odyssey, Sienna, and Pacifica... As long as you don't want AWD, because if you do the Toyota and Chrysler are still the only options. On the other hand, the 32 MPG (estimated) hybrid will be the option to pick if you prefer a more traditional driving system as this doesn't use a planetary e-CVT like the Pacifica and Sienna do. We don't yet know what that will mean for real-world fuel economy, but most outlels (us included) failed to get the EPA numbers in the Sienna while the Paficica out-indexed the EPA figures. In our test loops the Sienna was closer to 30 than the 36 MPC combined number, especially in hilly areas where the naturally aspirated engine had to really scream to get the Sienna up the hills. The turbo in the Carnival might help here because it makes notably more torque than the Toyota 2.5L engine, but only time will tell.
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As a Sorento owner with a growing family, this is the Kia I’ve been waiting for.
Alex, Toyota can't be bothered to build Siennas fast enough to keep up with demand so this can serve as an alternative for some buyers.
There new battery factory opens early next year which will bring enough supply to keep up with demand. Kia also has a new factory in Georgia opening soon
But the sienna is overrated. It’s just not terribly competitive
HUGE mistake.
my brother got brand new KIA , and its already burning oil, less than 20k miles.
and dealer said its not uncommon issue. WHAT????!!!
thats the KIA quality.
@@dwadd7528bullshit
I have Kia, 40K miles and had no issues. If you maintain your car well, Kia is pretty reliable.
I really like the white and blue interior. It has a low-key Lincoln vibe and differentiates it from the boring beige and black interior in other minivans.
@@adityaveera3055 the white and blue interior reminds me of the new enclave and that’s a good thing
Fun fact about the climate/audio buttons: you can set one of them as a default so that after a few seconds it switches back to whichever you prefer.
Wow I didn't expect to find such a detailed video that was straight forward, great audio and camera work. Any thanks for the overview and great production.
Excellent video, as usual, Alex. You cram more useful content into your videos than anyone else! 👍
This thing needs a plug and it's got my busines. For someone like me with excess solar, it only makes sense to be able to drive using my solar energy.
Finally another hybrid van!
As a mini van owner I actually think the sliding doors are the best part about the minivan. I am also driving a model that barely gets 16 mpg as most of the tasks I use for it are stop and go (picking up kids). AWD is a non issue for me as I don't do anything risky with my family car carrying my most precious cargo. I also live in a state that barely snows so the aerated seats, lighter interior tone are a bigger plus than AWD for me unlike if I still lived in the north east. 40k for the hybrid entry is also reasonable. I bought my current minivan for 34k out the door 10 years ago. My only requirement is leather seats for easier cleaning and power sliding doors. Anything else is gravy.
For the practicality, feature set, and price this is very compelling. Just wish another manufacturer would throw in a plug-in minivan. For small town families with kids (and friends of kids) the utility:driving cost ratio would be game changing.
@@JeftaFastForward Mitsubishi bringing a plug-in hybrid minivan to the US in 2026. Look up their 2030 plan and look up the D:X concept.
@@plemieux84 Will keep this on my radar. Thanks!
Nah I just want KIA to throw in a 125kwh battery and 400hp in a EGMP AWD 800V architecture minivan and sell it to me for 65K lol. Should easily get around 350 miles in the city and close to 300 on the highway. No maintenance and 350kwh charging would be nice. Also should be much nicer to drive than these puny hybrid systems with loud 4 cylinder and weak acceleration (when loaded up).
7:35 That 12V warning is a pain in my non-hybrid Sorento when I want to hang out in my car and not run the engine. That's a big plus on hybrid models: no worries hanging out in the car with ignition on "idling" because it won't idle much when on and parked, only very occasionally.
I have a 2022 Carnival SX and can't wait for this one.
KIA USA has released the price for Carnival HEV last month:
Carnival LX
$36,500
Carnival LXS
$38,500
Carnival EX
$40,700
Carnival SX
$45,600
Carnival SX Prestige
$50,600
Carnival Hybrid LXS
$40,500
Carnival Hybrid EX
$42,700
Carnival Hybrid SX
$47,600
Carnival Hybrid SX Prestige
$52,600
Much of the design, including the Interior, the same as the 2025 KIA Sorento Hybrid. Both Great Cars! (Great Review as usual.)
This looks nice and will hopefully provide some competition in the hybrid minivan market to possibly bring prices down from the MSRP and markups ... but with KIA, you always kind of half expect a notice in the mail after a year or so of owning it, informing you to not park your KIA inside the garage because something in the vehicle may catch fire.
The Kia lineup is very good. And this new Carnival is really attractive.
Direct competition to the Chrysler Pacifica from my point of view.
@@cranfktubner7677 Pacifica has priced itself out of the market. Stellantis is destroying the Chrysler and Dodge brands
Looks great with no chrome on the exterior.
If this was AWD, it would be the dream van.
Be mindful of a few things before you buy. There is a known battery drain issue affecting 2025 Kia Carnivals, Kia has yet to admit/address. Kia Carnival side test crash ratings are poor. Carnival - Poor, Sienna - Good, Odyssey - Good, Pacifica - Average.
If you buy the package with VIP lounge seats there is no easy way to tilt/collapse them forward for rear 3rd row access, even harder once you have car seats loaded onto the lounge seats, they are also not removable. If you add in the rear entertainment package, the screens stick out so when you try to scoot past them, along with a car seat to get to the 3rd row via middle aisle, it becomes a big PIA. Just a warning. Oh, and also no AWD option.
We rented Pacifica for a week. Third row seats can fit only 2 adults vs 3 in 2019 Odyssey (used to own). Luggage capability for Pacifica is also low although numbers suggest different. Based on my experience except Pacifica all other minivans are same capacity and comfort.
I rented a sienna hybrid and got 34 MPG lover 8 days and 2000 miles
If you’re following the dealer or manufacturer recommended intervals that’s a mistake anyway. Toyota says 10,000 mile oil changes that’s not good.
I have the carnival now. I get 32mpg on the highway now
I know I must not be the target demographic, but really wish they had an AWD version.
Something between Telluride and Carnival: 3 row AWD, sliding doors, roof rails and a slight lift. It’s SO CLOSE to that, but my current Sorento is FWD and I regret not getting the AWD during snow storms and other inclement weather. So the lack of AWD is dealbreaker.
Have you ever tried winter tires? I seriously hate when people complain about not offering AWD. I daily drive a 400hp+ rwd all year round with winter tires and I have never had ANY issues with snow up to 4-5inches living in the Midwest. I easily get better safety and stability than someone with AWD with all season which likely is what you and many other would end up running. Yes AWD can be amazing if paired with winter tires which a small percentage of people living in the Midwest do. I've never EVER heard a FWD owner complain about snow with some blizzaks or nice winter tires....
Now if you live in very north Canada or somewhere it snows over 1ft every other week I'd understand but I'm 99% sure the latter isn't your case 😂
@@ayushmalpeddi2793I live in the PNW so we get more rain, wintery mix, ice, and wet melty snow. We don’t get hard frozen snow, and our cities don’t have much in the way dedicated snow equipment for plowing/sanding/deicing since we don’t get it often. We also have more hills and geography to deal with.
Really I’ve had trouble tires spinning on just wet roads and FWD with good all seasons trying to pull into traffic. AWD has noticeably more traction and safer to drive.
@@StephenByersJ Try winter tires. Not even the best all season tires come close to a set of good winter tires. AWD with all seasons is worse than FWD with winter tires. AWD with all seasons might give you more traction when accelerating, but FWD with winters tires will still be better at braking and cornering in snow. Now AWD with winter tires trumps everything else but it's obvious most don't run that.
I live in Michigan and experience a lot of the weather you've described. AWD is better but only if you put the right tires on it. Otherwise fwd with the right tires will be better. Hills and deep snow is the only reason why I'd ever even consider 4x4 or AWD vehicles for winter driving.
Try winter tires!! Game changing!!
Buy great snow ❄️ tires, and forget about the AWD. The interior looks nice, but I wonder how much abuse the plastics and panels will handle. Fuel ⛽️ economy sounds good...
Now imagine this with Toyota reliability. It would actually be unstoppable
We have a 2024, love it though it has some annoying things like the Tach is on the right and every other vehicle the Speedometer is on the right. Digital display but no option to change.
Some of "safety" things are annoying like can't change the user profile after vehicle out of park. It gets over 26mpg, I think we have seen as high as 29 in eco mode for a gasoline only setup.
I wouldn't bother with the hybrid with the additional maintenance and less power/capacity and only a few mpg gained.
2024 large screen prestige trim doesn't have wireless android auto which is unfortunate. Hopefully they got it figured out for the new year.
Might be a really good alternative to a world of few station wagons, space inefficient SUVs, and “small” trucks.
Most mainstream crossovers are pretty space efficient
@@future62Yes, a lot of them are essentially minivan without sliding doors. The body on frame SUVs on the other hand is not even close.
As the owner of a 1st & 2nd generation Kia Niro HEVs I'm a fan of most things Kia. Although the concept of the "dual touch climate / entertainment interface zone" control $@8:19) seems OK (real buttons are still preferable), Kia's execution of it has a serious flaw -- at least on the Niro. When switched from entertainment control to HEV control, it automatically goes back to audio in about 5 seconds. That is too fast, should be at least 10-15 seconds to make desired climate control adjustments. As it it requires too much fiddling resulting in more time with eyes off the road.
1:12 Agreed... Hate black wheels
The black wheel trend must go asap. I also don't like the black window trims and all black grills.
Yes, regarding the AWD… I think KIA's take on this is that if you need AWD you should go for the Telluride. It is basically the same as the Carnival, merely differently packaged. Those tiny back windows in the Carnival are no good. The visibility is seriously affected. I drive the 2007 model with large rear windows (that open) and the all round visibility is excellent.
They aren't basically the same. A Carnival has so much more space. It has 40.2 cubic feet of cargo space behind the third row. A Telluride has 21.
@@almassengale Well, yes, the Telluride is a little shorter than the full size Carnival, more like the short version of the Sedona, that we used to get many years ago.
Can't wait for the PHEV version!
I like the 2025 Kia Carnival, but Kia needs to figure out their 2nd row seating arrangement. I have the captain's chairs in my Honda Oddesey, it moves forward and back, reclines, side to side, etc... but Honda also offered the removable center seat, clicks right in and out, and you can fold it down as a center console with cup holders for both captain's chairs. Works great for us, when I need that extra seat in the 2nd row, driving the little soccer team around, or when we're just traveling with both kids and they are reclining in their captain's chairs and easy access to the back with no center seat. I was on the Kia website, it seems to offered manual seats 3 seats 2nd row, or 2nd row captain's chairs for 2 only, you can't get both.
A creative thumbnail with the circus and bear used reference to its nameplate.
If you live in mountainous or hilly areas, you’ll need a larger battery to store all the potential energy. The Pacifica PHEV comes with a massive 16 kWh battery, compared to the Sienna's 1.9 kWh battery, which allows for more consistent MPG across a wider range of terrains. Typically, the Sienna can achieve over 34 MPG if you keep your speed below 60 mph. In my experience, the Sienna delivers better MPG than the Pacifica during uphill drives. However, the Sienna’s smaller battery can't store all the regenerative energy on downhill slopes, while the Pacifica's PHEV have its EV-only range increased from 0 to 15 miles, boosting its overall MPG.
black wheels are perfect, idk why you and others hate them. There's a reason why the entire industry has kind of accepted people prefer the blacked out wheels
If only any vehicle in this class was available at a normal person price within a decade of it releasing lol
Kia's latest minivan offers the largest cargo area, a spacious third row, and advanced tech. The new hybrid drivetrain, estimated at 32 MPG, competes well, though it lacks AWD. The turbo engine may perform better in hilly areas. I hope to see more plug-in hybrid options soon for added efficiency and versatility.
looks like a luxury private jet inside. I wonder if they make a simpler model.
The SX prestige trim level has either 8 seater package or luxury seating package. Same price.
I like this rotary style shifter. hope KIA can have it on V6 one
Is about effin time- but knowing kia/hyundai are not at par with honda and toyota with regards to reliability of their hybrids - ill wait for honda odyssey to release their hybrid van
No shade on Honda and Toyota but I think that a lot of the perceived quality of those brands is that they have buyers that are willing to pay the premium cost. Those buyers are also more willing to spend the money on preventative maintenance than people that are shopping purely for the lowest sticker price.
I've had mostly GM cars in my lifetime because my dad retired from GM and I got the employee discount. Aside from a 1996 Firebird that I sold as soon as the warranty ran out, I've never had an issue with any of my vehicles. Of course, I perform all the maintenance on them and they're only getting 10 or 12,000 miles per year.
A lot of people have this perception that these vehicles aren't going to last much beyond 100,000 miles so they stop doing the expensive maintenance and just drive them until they die.
Toyota reliability going down with those new v6 engines
Honda hybrid vehicles have sub par reliability
I honestly do not see a lot of these on the road in New England. I see the previous Sedona more. The Carnival is probably more popular in other parts of the country.
Why people say AWD is a must or deal breaker? If you don't go off road and don't drive in the snow condition, FWD is less expensive to buy, maintain and more fuel efficient. I did buy a FWD Sienna and I have absolutely no problem with FWD at all.
It’s possible other people have different needs than you.
@@StephenByersJ it could be. But who uses a mini van to go off-road? The city department shovels the snow on the road so it is not a big deal either.
For my use I enjoy the performance of AWD and I never go off road. I drive a lot and when I’m up north in ice and snow AWD is amazing - importantly with a great set of winter tires! Also once when I was in Florida in a serious downpour AWD helped me in avoiding another car that ran a red light - the AWD paid for itself with that one incident. With that said I have no use for 4WD since I only drive on pavement. I’ve had many 2WD vehicles and they were fine, but if given the option I’ll spend the money for AWD.
@@PTLUX15 it makes sense if you live in the north. What I am trying to say is, for most of the buyers of a minivan, AWD should not be a deal breaker
@@rayleung7668 I agree with you 👍
Turbo makes more low rev torque, good. But no AWD, I still prefer my Sienna ,I use my van for heavy loaded often
I'd love this in a pure BEV.
@@ChristianBehnke why? Don’t drive much?
@@us1fedvet I mean as an alternative to the EV9; it’s a great vehicle but I like this form-factor better. The old ICE Carnival is also a decent drive, so why not?
The best looking minivan.
Hybrid + AWD! Gimme!
This!
Count me in on not liking the all black wheel trend. It looks cheap and tacky to me. Also not found of the black trim on top models. This minivan needs awd.
I can't imagine trusting a 1.6l turbo hybrid Kia to last. I also wish they'd stressed substance over style in the front. The Honda and Toyota models have far more front storage space for small items and use real buttons instead of a touch climate/radio control that you have to toggle back and forth between.
It has a nice appearance. It's too bad I absolutely do not trust a turbo hybrid setup from Kia. I have a 2025 Odyssey Elite with the bulletproof V6 and 10 speed on order. At least the screens are a bit better for this year. My 2023 Odyssey only depreciated $4k in 2 years of ownership.
Are you aware of transmission problems with Odysseys?
@@arunmaroli None of significance since they switched to 10 speed Honda transmission
No go!!! 100watt outlet... 1500w on sienna. GAME CHANGER! Toyota here i come. Please get safety sense 3 0
Want a plus IIHS Safety pick rating on my next minivan . Someday a PHEV with 100 miles EV range … that’s the dream.
But is it safe? If the IIHS scores are piss poor at 37 mph id rather have the ascent.
Best thumbnail so far😂😂
if the put the handle for sliding door in the back and hide the sliding slit, it would look 100% like suv
When is this car going to be available? All the dealerships around where I live does not know when they will start getting this car.
Alex, please make comparison video betwin Carnival and Sienna hybrid. I am wondering which Hybrid minivan is better.
Im very curious how these drive. I rented a V6 Carnival a while back, but I recall it being significantly more firm than the non-sport version of the Sienna, and thw V6 felt underpowered compared to the Sienna's hybrid. Especially when accelerating out of a corner.
How come none of the Hybrids showing up at dealers have the blacked out badging despite being a Dark Edition? How do you get the black badging?
Shockingly in Thailand, it is also sold as a diesel.
I would have liked them to have taken more risk and designed an all electric hybrid. I think this will sell well and hopefully push Chrysler to do a major redesign of the Pacifica PHEV.
if a vehicle is all electric, then how is it a hybrid?
@@Jallelab99141 Haha! Indeed, that's a typo. I meant all electric.
Any idea when you'll be able to release first drive impressions? Waiting on those to choose between the hybrid and the v6.
Is a plug-in model coming as well?
Not in this generation at least.
Hard to imagine a kid version of Alex
Really nice and great competitor to Sienna as that is ugly and Pacifica is not so much in the same segment even though it does have plug in. Please KIA its 2024!!! AWD!!!!!!!!!! You would have lots of people getting this over Sienna.....
No way is 35 mpg, unless u driving by yourself in a family car. Pack a family with luggage and bags u be hitting 25-30 mpg top and only if you're driving conservatively 😅
I wonder if a plug in hybrid is in the works.
8:45 Why won't more OEMs move the gear shifter to the dash or behind the wheel, like on grandma's car, and give me some more cupholders, or *something useful* in that space?
The Carnival is targeting SUV buyers and those buyers don't like to drive a grandma's minivan.
What about the second row? Does it fold flat?
So to Save gas “ as you put it - they don’t charge extra for the hybrid???
Wow
I am seeing that if you get the "top of the line" 2nd row reclining seats they are NOT removeable. Other versions(non-ottoman) are removable for max cargo capacity. That is the one deal breaker with the Sienna. I don't know why anyone would design a minivan where y can't remove the 2nd seats..or at least have that option...
The VIP seats have a lot of electronics and are heated and cooled so they are basically mounted in place. 7 Seater has non-removable seats. 8-seater has removable seats.
Always this big front central console which requires you to get out to go to the rear = bad design
I don't know why we need a "un-minivan." What's wrong with a minivan? Only reason they largely fell out of favor is because automakers couldn't successfully charge as much as they wanted to for them initially, so they put out propaganda saying they were for soccer moms and that SUVs were "a man's vehicle" and charged more for the SUVs. Minivans are better for basically everyone actually uses an SUV for, since like 0.00000001% of SUVs ever go off-road.
Personally, if Kia made a full EV version of this, I'd take it over my EV9. Although, I'm curious why they chose to use the poorly thought out screen "buttons" of the EV6 rather than the physical buttons and switches of the EV9
The whole minivan market has seen a massive decline in sales because the average car buyer has gone over to the SUV market.
I talk to customers all the time who list off their requirements and needs in their vehicle and I mentioned the carnival but they're apprehensive because they don't want to be seen in a minivan. They're more concerned about how they'll be perceived in one over its practicality.
Look up Kia's PBV concept.
I've been waiting for a PHEV or EV minivan, so not quite (for me).
I believe Chrysler has a phev van but they definitely get up there in price.
Kia has some concepts for electric vans. Look up PV1, PV3, PV5 and PV7
Can someone tell me what's so bad about a minivan looking like a minivan and why people want it to look like an SUV?
It’ll sell more if it looks like an SUV in the US
Vans are really nice, but they are super ugly. So you get this that is not super ugly and has all the features of a van. It's a win.
I think the Carnival is the ugliest in class. It should embrace what it is.
@@almassengale lolol
Are the seats removable? The sienna fails as a good delivery van because the middle seats are not removable.
You would want to get one of the lower trim level carnivals that has the eight-seater configuration. The middle seat in the second row can be easier removed and then the other two can probably be unbolted
@@fattygamer94 thanks!
Alex, does it have a GDI + MPI engine? OR just a GDI engine?
Just GDI
Is it launching in India?
Nah. These things are great. Toyota has started pricing their stuff like they were gold plated.
Gold plated but you get cheap plastic 😂
Does the hybrid have 8 seat option ?
It appears so
hmm how hard is it for manufacturer to put a 50kwh battery for plugin hybrid with a rear motor as well? Generator style.
They should have added awd….
I looked at a Carnival 2024 and the dash with fake-metal accents looked really cheap, this looks waaaaaaay better !
Problem with mini vans is they are just as expensive as a 3 row crossover. Why would I buy this over an Atlas or Telluride?
Depending on trim level on features, the carnival is actually cheaper compared to the all-wheel drive Telluride. And if you want to maximize space, the carnival has a way more interior space than the Telluride
Because you'll have far more passenger and cargo space.
What color is this one?
Toyota would rather build Highlanders at higher mark-ups than Siennas which are sold out and in demand. It might help the bottom line but is probably not helping Toyota’s public perception.
Gold for Kia, Silver for Toyota, and Bronze for Honda.
I’d say Hondas silver and Toyota doesn’t even deserve a medal 😂. It deserves a plastic medal 😂.
Give me AWD option goddammit!
Did Kia greatly improve the crash performance of this family hauler?!
no, its the only one that failed side crash test
I hate that Kia hybrids have more maintenance costs that Toyota hybrids. Your gas savings go right back into the increased maintenance costs. None of the reviewers talk about this.
I believe that dual electric motors sandwiched between engine and the wheels is a brilliant electric CVT with no failure points developed by Toyota. The automatic transmission used by Hyundai is an annoying design.
What exactly do you mean? Can you be specific or provide links to data you are basing this off of?
@@yankeesusa1 yeah if you compare the maintenance schedules of a Sportage hybrid for example and a RAV4 hybrid you will see that Kia hybrids have shorter intervals and additional items the RAV4 doesn’t. Specially oil changes are 8000mi vs 10000mi. Spark plugs on Kia hybrids are 48000mi instead of 120k on Toyota hybrids. The Kia plugin hybrids have an inverter coolant that needs changing at 36k miles the Toyota plugin hybrids don’t have it. The Kia hybrids need a hsg belt change at 64k the Toyota hybrids don’t have it. If the Kia hybrid has AWD like the Sorento hybrid, it has to have rear diff fluid changed, the Toyota hybrids don’t have it because their AWD is electric motor drive rather than mechanical driveshaft like in the Kia AWD hybrids. There’s other stuff I’m not remembering.
@@nevco8774 agreed
@@yankeesusa1 Just watch Tucson hybrid 2022 video on this very channel...
Why would you put a turbocharged engine in a hybrid? That’s what the electric motor is for. Would have preferred a 2.0 naturally aspirated engine instead.
More performance to stay competitive for the asking price
why no AWD?? no make sense ,we need AWD
i think kia should offer a electric version of this ... to go alone with the hybrid and reg models
Their EV lineup is going to be its own thing. They're moving away from having babies share the same model as a gas or hybrid car like the Niro or Soul. Currently they have the ev6 and ev9 which are their own platforms. Next year we'll see the eb3 and then down the line. They have PV concepts which are electric vans that maximize space
@fattygamer94 i dont see why they should share names ... a lot of ppl can't keep up with these new models and names, lol ...
The can’t even have room to drive these size cars where they’re from let that sink in, sell them to you
only if it was AWD...
KIA. YOU TOOK TOO DAMN LONG TO OFFER ON THE PRE FACELIFT Carnival. WTH.
The direct issue I always have with plug-in hybrids is big oil has paid these automakers a lot of money to not offer customers these vehicles with a minimum of 100 miles of electric range. They tell customers they should be excited going into 2025 in a large hybrid vehicle that is clearly big enough to accommodate a 100 mile range battery pack but you only get less than 50. But hey we should be grateful for the “35 miles per gallon combined “. 🤦🏾 They really do be playing in our faces! (Not you Alex, I’m talking about the carmakers) People don’t actually plug them in because they don’t see the incentive to do so.
At some point, there is a balancing act between hauling around a huge battery that is bigger than most people need for their daily commute and electric range.
The average driver in the United States puts about 40 mi per day on their car. I think that's why the target is 50 mi.
No storage under console is a big miss.
@@sociopathmercenary your point clearly advocates for pure battery electric. The case you just made is that the gasoline portion is clearly a waste and by far the least economically speaking if you’re on driving 49 miles per day, especially if you’re able to charge at home.
@@OpinionatedOG184 big oil has not paid any of the automakers money to make hybrids that have low range of electric power. LOL 😂 . I would love to know your source for that info.
So.... does this mean it'll catch fire seveal thousand miles later than usual?
Your comment is what caught fire😂
Enjoy being stuck in the past grandpa. While everyone else has moved on to the future. Don’t say we didn’t warn you when you realize how much you missed out on
Need 40 mpg
Why?
30 is impressive for what it is.
40 MPG would be close to impossible for a vehicle the size and shape of a minivan. Something like a Grand Highlander is actually a bit more aerodynamic than the average minivan and it's 36 MPG is pretty darn impressive.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide 155 width tires! Like an i3 ;)
Maybe as an EV
1.6 Turbo - not good for a vehicle with that size and weight.(reliability-wise).