Former Sosus Operator in the mid Seventies. Fairly accurate telling, so much more went on, the Illustration’s however are too simplified to rate for accuracy. It was a boring repetitive watch string, until we tracked a target, then things actually got exciting. We even were able to plot the courses of enemy targets. Pre- computer era; but it was starting up. Salute to all the Vets and active-duty folks. Ocean Systems Technician Petty Officer GTGibbs. ( The cover story for our rate was;Oceanographic Research Technician, they lied to us to get us to sign us up. And only told us the truth. On the first day of “A” School.
Uh, correction. USS Missouri and USS Wisconsin were the two battleships in Desert Storm, which were classified as Iowa-class battleships because Iowa was the first one created. Iowa was never in Desert Storm.
@@xiaoka I know. This wasn't Desert Storm. This was Lebnon 1984 in retaliation for Hezbollah's suicide bombing of the U.S. Marine and French army barracks. The New Jersey was brought back before the Missouri and the Wisconsin and actually used in combat in the Middle East first.
I made the mistake of getting lost on Ft. Bragg in 1992 on National Guard duty while driving a deuce and a half by myself which was already against orders but I was late to Guard duty and had to make the drive by myself. I pulled up to the wire at the guard shack to ask for directions and was on on my face before I knew what happened with many a muzzle pointed at me. My commander had to come get me. I had no idea I just pulled into Deltas kingdom. The fence with razor wire and worn in humvee tracks inside it, in the middle of a fenced in area is there for a reason. Back then anyone could drive on base no questions asked in most areas.
EMPs? Military equipment is hardened forever now. Maybe not all. Yet much of it is for the exact reasons you fear. Remember we went haywire with Nukes and nuclear strategy back during the Cold War. We legit thought any war would be a nuclear one.
Electromagnetic pulse, Fry's electronic systems efficiently. If they start using that all that push button warfare and guidance system stuff goes to the toilet.
Today’s technology like the electromagnetic gun and laser on an auto or remote battle ship!! The US will never concede the sea to China numerous ship. We will fight inside shade of their defense zone.
There's a sayin in military aviation: If you get close enough to the enemy to engage in a dogfight, something has gone SERIOUSLY wrong. The ship launching the 16 inch volley is not going to get within firing range of most targets - and it doesn't have enough top armour to protect against inbound missiles which can actively target soft spots
Even in the different sections on this video, they contradict their facts. Example, one section stating aircraft carriers have a classified speed over 30 knots "and believed to be 50 knots", then 2 minutes later saying top speed of 36 knots. As prior USN, I think I picked out at least 20 pieces of bad info by the 30 minute mark.
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It’s also worth noting that our understanding of trajectories has only increased over time as well meaning there are ways to provide better accuracy with a bullet then there was decades ago.
One thing to note is, that an Ticonderoga class missile cruiser is a quarter of the size of an Iowa class. If you took like a container ship... filled it with MK41 VLC, you could probably hold more than 1000 missiles..
@@Stellar001100That is actually kind of the design philosophy of the danish frigates. That things come in "container" modules so you can basically tailor the ships for the mission at hand. In reality its a lot more complicated, as you would need to have multiple different container modules and it takes a long time to reconfigure a ship etc. but it is a thing non the less.
Of course there's a counter for guns. Not be in range of them, throw up a smoke screen, let the sub support sink said gunship, air support. If you have to close in for guns, mistakes have already been made.
If you really want to be technical, the M16 and M4 are AR-15's. The XM16 was based off of the AR15 which was designed specifically for the Army to create a new weapon to replace the M1 Carbine. It didn't make it, so Armalite released it to civilian while Colt reworked it for military usage, which was later accepted.
@@brandonlevy8680 I am aware of the Iowa class, Montana Class development was mothballed in lieu of the aircraft carrier. The US once fielded the 18"/48 caliber Mark 1 naval guns. So no correction needed thanks
The most effective Armor made by the US and UK is Chobham Armor, now, Imagine a battleship made with Chobham armor. Even if a Anti-ship missile made to the battleship it would likely do insignificant damage. and I think if 16 inch artillery shells meant for Battleships are still in stockpile, something I highly doubt, then it would be to America's advantage to update and redesign the massive guns to modern standards with more powerful explosives and also incorporate Excalibur technology into the shells to make them significantly more accurate and able to track moving targets. Plus there are already experiments being conducted to incorporate Ramjet engines into artillery shells (the XM1155 program) which would incorporate long range capabilities into artillery shells and combined with Excalibur smart technology into those shells a new Battleship could send special shells far from being within enemy reach and still do serious damage to and sink enemy aircraft carriers, battleships, submarines and supply vessels without ever endangering itself. If I could have any influence in this kind of project I think I could generate a Battleship that would be virtually unsinkable, and be an enemy navy's worst nightmare. Plus still be able to go broadsides with any of the world's battleships and come out on top with barely a scratch, send the crew out with some fresh paint to repair the only thing damaged in battle, the hull's paint scheme, and markings.
"Weapon must be simple and controllable" Sun Tzu few thousand years ago. Same thing French understood after production of monstrous multi-turret tanks with electric transmission ( and 2 electricans + 2 electrican helpers onboard ) in 1939 that they are not proud of, because all those tanks FAILED MISERABLY. And it was not about "Schar B" medium tank loosing totally to Germany's EARLY Panzerwagens.
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Iowa was not the final battleship to see combat. Missouri and Wisconsin were the two deployed to Desert Storm. Iowa had already had her number two turret center gun blow out.
I've seen about 1,000 articles about battleships coming back and have never heard a good argument for how that would actually be feasible and cost effective
Battleships do something that carriers and submarines can never do. You can park one in somebody's harbor and it can be an obvious and constant visual deterrent
Impressive!! Great research and accuracy! I love my Zumwalt class, and it’s been a big deal with the LMVLS project, it’s getting hypersonics currently. Proud to say I’ve been part of that project, love our destroyers
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one of the most important parts from the wilderness training for SAS is memory. You will be asked to tell the trainers how many trees in an area or what colour a bridge was something like that. If you fail to answer these you are immediately expelled.
Iowa was already decommissioned before Desert Storm. Wisconsin and Missouri fought in Desert Storm. Wisconsin ran the Tomahawk task force, Missouri was primary Naval Gunfire Support platform.
The mysterious unspoken threat the Zumwalt destroyers were not fully capable of destroying? I'm going to go out on a limb and say that would be submarines.
Seems like a great job for unmanned submersible gun ships. Imaging a “boat” surfacing 6-8 miles off shore, touting large, auto loading guns, dumping 60-100 rounds onto targets. Then slips below the surface. Retreats and is reloaded.
Before watching this waste of time... just know this. . . When the navy dept mentioned bringing back battleships recently.. it was not using the same powder guns. It was for the new classified rail gun that is very successful and makes china's rail gun look like a slingshot. My guess is they'll have 1 or maybe 2 turrets of powder guns, and 1 rail gun. Or vice versa.
Contrary to infographics, the BB’s were not brought back for shore bombardment needs, rather b/c Reagan committed to a 600 ship navy & so many of our cruisers were retiring & building capacity could not fulfill needs, so it was decided to bring the Iowas out & modernize as “real big” missile cruisers, with 16” guns indeed, but also armor sides & deck that could still take absorb significant damage.
Carriers can go in excess of 60 knots. Years ago when steaming with the USS Enterprise (we were doing plane guard) she up and kicked it up to 60 knots. I know as I was on watch (surface search radar, SPS-10). She pulled away from us like we were standing still and we were doing 30 knots at the time.
The Type 23 Duke Class are not cruisers, are anti-submarine and mutirole frigates. Their draft its their main difference because a cruiser is usually a bigger and heavier warship
I read once that when the New Jersey was off the coast of Lebanon, some of our Marines were taking artillery or large caliber mortar rounds from an adjacent ridge from their position so they called for naval gunfire support from the New Jersey on the ridge from where they were receiving insurgent fire. So the New Jersey unleashes some volleys from their 16" rifles on the offending position. So New Jersey radios hey Marines did that suppress the fire from the ridge? The Marines answered, yea roger New Jersey, except there's not a ridge there anymore lol!
Try special services. My sister married one. In counseling soldiers I was informed the stories I related were the perview of the SAS. I trained them in martial arts.
I think a ship that could deployed a small army of single maned escape pods would be cool .. alot of new escape pods on ships a small drop esacape pod ship of afew on a rear .. or oil rig .. .. usualy can hold like 15 or 20 people each or so .. But imagine a ship with single manned drop pods 100 pods on each side in rows of 3 to 5 for 600 to 1000 pods .. all designed to resurface with engines and armour piercing round light machine guns and some with anti air missiles . .. multi purpose attack espace pods would be a carrier of small ships designed to continue its fight against enemy air support or ships even after the main ship went down ..
She did. She also fired 783 16 inch rounds and 28 tomahawk missiles compared to Wisconsin’ 319 16 inch shells and 24 tomahawk missiles. Both ships played a pivotal role in convincing the Iraqis that the us was going to launch a amphibious invasion thus forcing the to divert vast military resources for a invasion that never came.
As with modern field guns, rocket assisted smart shells can extend the range for a hundred miles and computer guidance makes them precision. The cost advantage is many time that of a conventional missile. Their velocity also makes these shells difficult to intercept and stealth tech makes them hard to detect. There is also no tell tale exhaust.
Iowa class battleships have about 1200 16inch shells. How about making them shells missiles? 1200 missiles would be more potent with far more than 25mile range.
Your information and content are good. The narrator maintains a consistent and intelligible pace thats easy to follow, but the "graphics" are childish and cheesy.
You didn’t mention the F 35 with the aircraft carrier, I’m pretty sure you left a lot more than that out then that highly capable for offensive defense that’s my thoughts
Yeah Ford is so complex that she likely skipped 5 or 10 generations in carrier tech. Usually they include a new system or 2 to work out with a new ship. With ford they developed and improved 23 systems. Thats why it took so long and went way over budget.
Chinese aircraft carrier doesn’t have close to speed of a US aircraft carrier. Stop it. A US carrier can easily turn well over 35 knots. That’s just the fastest they tell you it will go.
The zumwalt was suppose to give us something like a modern day battleship. However, the technology just isn’t quite there yet. I’m sure we are still trying to perfect the zumwalt main weapon system.
You are wrong about the explosive charges in missiles versus bursting charges in battleships shells. Most battleship shells had a bursting charge of less than 100lb. Most surface to surface missiles have warheads of at least 500lb. The damage battleship shells did was due to their weight and momentum not the bursting charge.
Sure. Fully automated gunner, reload, way cheaper ammo. The disadvantages they had (crew) could basically be eliminated. Technology to intercept will get better. Higher fire rate at lower cost, good luck intercepting all of that..yup, makes some sense already.
Before anyone brings up the sub section of the video and mentions the recent RN Sub missile launch fiasco. Can I remind you the vessel and crew (British) performed flawlessly.....The Polaris missile on the other hand............
A US company was building a hybrid battleship for the Soviets pre-WW2, but eventually decided to end the project before she was finished. Had they persisted for just a bit longer, USS Kearsarge, the first purpose-built battle-carrier in the world, would have been born. And even without her, the Japanese Fuso- and Ise-class battleship were eventually retrofitted into battle-carriers. Too late to matter much, but they still existed. Maybe not what you think of, but such ideas were considered before.
Okay, assume i know nothing. Now that has been established I will share ideas/thoughts. Instead of using 16" rounds on the big battleships, what about building pocked battleships like Germany did prior and durimg WW2. Perhaps something like the Graf Spee. I believe it had 11" guns and was under 12,000 to 14,000 tons. Iowa class is 45,000 tons with 16" guns. Another idea, albeit probably a bad one, put guns that can be used for artillery on carriers. Again, probably not a good idea. Another thought would be to take the drone idea to a new level and range, and strap a bomb on that. Possibly even use Reaper drones if those are a thing. My last thought, and possibly the worse one... use a big ordinace and a drone of some sort that can return after launching its ordinace. A far out there idea, launch something into space that can return to earth, but hit a target. Could get good velocity that way.
Why not build the Monitor class of naval ships rather than battlewagons? The role of the Monitor class was to provide inland target support for contested landings, it had little armor and was much shallower in draft so that it could get its battleship caliber guns much closer to shore.
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Experience is the word, not veterancy! It was the rise of the carrier that put paid to the battleship. Logical when you think about it, the battleship can only strike targets 20 miles away, but a carrier coud be 200 miles away and deal devastating blows to the battleship while being way out of reach of return fire. The main reason aircraft carriers are so fast is to create airflow over the deck, the more airflow you have, the easier it is for aircraft to take off and the more weight they can carry. Their speed also makes them harder to hit. The ship that cant be sunk or the tank which cant be knocked out will never be built. Main battle tanks are also obsolescent, and the US marines have got rid of most of theirs in favour of lighter, easily portable armour for a rapid and flexible response.
I saw the USS Texas in dry dock and it may be old but it's still a massive weapon of death and destruction. Its artillery shells weigh 15x as much as the 155mm shells used in Ukraine and it has a dozen of them as well as other huge guns. During the falkans war the British worried more about the old argentenian battleships from WW2 than the smaller more modern ships. Yeah battleships can still be used in war. We still use artillery so why not?
Seals usually involved water but post gwot they have a counter terrorist group besides regular seals closer to delta the true difference is one needs the navy ones a fully contained unit that has its own intel logistics etc etc
The US weapons, especially offensive and defensive missiles technology, is developing so fast for the U.S. I’m guessing the battleship is probably the best platform for them.
Please do more research before saying things like Colt automatic rifle 15 The AR doesnt mean automatic rifle. Its short for ArmaLite Rifle. There is nothing automatic about and AR15 regardless of brand.
As we speak most of the people call any ship with a big gun on it a battleship. Half the people out there don't know the difference. A battleship made today coul. d be a really dangerous ship. With new kinds of shells they could be as accurate as a missile and harder to soot down. It would be nice just to see what some of the designs look like. It would be interesting to see.
Just one round from one of those guns is a thousand pounds. The destroyers nowadays aren't built like the old battleships. The battleships had way more armor
@@biker9835 it will never be able to hit the Destroyer is way faster with Tomahawk cruise missiles plus all the other special weapons it has it’s not called a DESTROYER FOR NO REASON.
BBs will never make a comeback. At least not as we understand them. I can see BCs making a comeback, but the 16" shells (even with modern enhancements) are not cost efficient. I could see a gun focused CH or BC mounting 203's all the way up to 305's but not 406's. Any gun focused vessel will either have to be heavily escorted with a near peer (or equal opponent) or it will be used to shell insurgents who really lack the means to pose a serious threat to a naval vessel. The bigger you make a gun focused ship, the deeper the water needs to be (further from shore). I agree we (the U.S.) do need something that can fling out shells at a high volume at relatively long range but, we could do that with a CL or CA by mounting several 155's (which we already have the ammo in production ((dumb and smart shells) and still mount a credible AA defense. Most likely it will be some sort of hybrid ship that has guns AND VLS which means either one of two things. The ship is going to have to be incredibly large OR they will have to use smaller caliber guns/minimal VLS cells. The exact same reason that BBs became obsolete in WWII is even more applicable today. Instead of cheap aircraft that can be used to swarm ships, we can accomplish the same thing with missiles at a longer range, better accuracy and no risk to personal. I can see something that combines the fire power (VLS capability) of the new Constellation class FFGs with 2 turrets with 1-3 barrels each of 155's on a larger hull ( CA or CH but for current CH designations, it would have to be a minimum of 203's unless that is changed). Considering the armor a BB uses (more steel JUST for armor than most current cruisers weigh with a combat load out). I mean...considering a 1,000 LB JDAM has a range of 15 miles, just throw a stealth coating on it and dropped by a Stealth platform at 40k feet and you just lost your slow (ish), heavily armored, cumbersome and extremely expensive BB for less than $100k. That is not even counting modern anti-ship missiles. The days of 16" shells and 1' of armor belt are long gone.
@@Eastsidegeorgiaboy still cheaper than an airplane which was what I was pointing out when, I said that the reasons for the BB becoming obsolete even in the 40's is even more applicable today and missiles go a lot further than MOST drones and they carry a far heavier payload. Which would be needed if they brought back the traditional BB like so many of these comments are saying.
The Ford can go a lot faster than 35 mph. When the Navy says their ship's speed is more than 30 knots (~35mph), it doesn't mean they can only go 35 mph. It means the Ford can go at least 36 mph, or maybe even faster than 40 mph. Actual top speed is classified.
I don’t think we have the industrial capability to manufacture the armor plates of the size and thickness required to meet or exceed what the Iowa class had. It would take building new factories near the shipyards.
3 hour infographics video on Battleships? Answer: Yes.
Except the majority of the video isn't about battleships, but general naval assets lol
@@Halicet yeah...🥲
This is an AI generated script.
@@dherman0001 that's exactly what I thought too!
how are large ship navys fairing in the black sea post age of drone combat?
Former Sosus Operator in the mid Seventies. Fairly accurate telling, so much more went on, the Illustration’s however are too simplified to rate for accuracy. It was a boring repetitive watch string, until we tracked a target, then things actually got exciting. We even were able to plot the courses of enemy targets. Pre- computer era; but it was starting up. Salute to all the Vets and active-duty folks. Ocean Systems Technician Petty Officer GTGibbs.
( The cover story for our rate was;Oceanographic Research Technician, they lied to us to get us to sign us up. And only told us the truth. On the first day of “A” School.
How are US technical diver in the 70s I actually repaired those units off the coast of Great Britain, Scotland, and Wales
Uh, correction. USS Missouri and USS Wisconsin were the two battleships in Desert Storm, which were classified as Iowa-class battleships because Iowa was the first one created. Iowa was never in Desert Storm.
The New Jersey shelled Druze Militiamen in Lebanon in 1984.
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@@juliodyarzagaray desert storm was 1991.
@@xiaoka I know. This wasn't Desert Storm. This was Lebnon 1984 in retaliation for Hezbollah's suicide bombing of the U.S. Marine and French army barracks. The New Jersey was brought back before the Missouri and the Wisconsin and actually used in combat in the Middle East first.
NO IT Was Not
I made the mistake of getting lost on Ft. Bragg in 1992 on National Guard duty while driving a deuce and a half by myself which was already against orders but I was late to Guard duty and had to make the drive by myself. I pulled up to the wire at the guard shack to ask for directions and was on on my face before I knew what happened with many a muzzle pointed at me. My commander had to come get me. I had no idea I just pulled into Deltas kingdom. The fence with razor wire and worn in humvee tracks inside it, in the middle of a fenced in area is there for a reason. Back then anyone could drive on base no questions asked in most areas.
i like how the graphics in the beginning of video have the battleship moving in reverse
Its the camera catching up and passing the said ship.. You can tell because the waves start passing at a much faster rate..
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Im a 38 yr old man, so why do i get giddy as a schoolboy when thinking about battleships, Aircraft Carriers, Jets and guns?!
Simple. It make big boom
'Cause 'Merica
Honestly because it’s hella awesome homie
Trick question.
No matter how old we get…boys will be boys. Farts are always funny and things that go boom are always cool!!
I think the reason they're going to go ahead and introduce these analog systems again. Are they are going to use emp.
EMPs? Military equipment is hardened forever now. Maybe not all. Yet much of it is for the exact reasons you fear.
Remember we went haywire with Nukes and nuclear strategy back during the Cold War. We legit thought any war would be a nuclear one.
Electromagnetic pulse, Fry's electronic systems efficiently. If they start using that all that push button warfare and guidance system stuff goes to the toilet.
You cannot hack an analog system is the main reason
Or are Smart Enough To Know It Can be Used Against Them
Today’s technology like the electromagnetic gun and laser on an auto or remote battle ship!! The US will never concede the sea to China numerous ship. We will fight inside shade of their defense zone.
Try stopping 16 inch volleys with CIWS. Excalibur-type guidance could also be adapted for 16 inch projectiles, and probably laser guidance too.
Excalibur uses GPS
@@pottyputter05 Yes. It does.
There's a sayin in military aviation: If you get close enough to the enemy to engage in a dogfight, something has gone SERIOUSLY wrong. The ship launching the 16 inch volley is not going to get within firing range of most targets - and it doesn't have enough top armour to protect against inbound missiles which can actively target soft spots
Try getting in range with 16in guns when your enemy has antiship cruise missiles
More importantly 16 inch shells can be replenished at sea! Missiles, especially v.l.s. launch Missiles have to be replenished pier side.
for the most inaccurate info on the military , infographics never fails
Even in the different sections on this video, they contradict their facts. Example, one section stating aircraft carriers have a classified speed over 30 knots "and believed to be 50 knots", then 2 minutes later saying top speed of 36 knots. As prior USN, I think I picked out at least 20 pieces of bad info by the 30 minute mark.
@@aradyngaming6263 yeah i know aye
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Forgotten weapons
The chieftain
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Bc tank Jesus is yes
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But for people who do not know what a license of practice is ,
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Also countries are developing hypersonic missiles just for aircraft carriers. DengFeng etc
It’s also worth noting that our understanding of trajectories has only increased over time as well meaning there are ways to provide better accuracy with a bullet then there was decades ago.
One thing to note is, that an Ticonderoga class missile cruiser is a quarter of the size of an Iowa class. If you took like a container ship... filled it with MK41 VLC, you could probably hold more than 1000 missiles..
At the very least have 100+ Harpoons in disguised containers.
@@Stellar001100That is actually kind of the design philosophy of the danish frigates. That things come in "container" modules so you can basically tailor the ships for the mission at hand. In reality its a lot more complicated, as you would need to have multiple different container modules and it takes a long time to reconfigure a ship etc. but it is a thing non the less.
When are you going to continue the "I survived X days of the invasion" series? We NEED to know how it ends!
Yes, please
There are countermeasures against missiles. There is none for line of site weapons like guns. When I was in, they developed guided 8 inch shells.
Of course there's a counter for guns. Not be in range of them, throw up a smoke screen, let the sub support sink said gunship, air support. If you have to close in for guns, mistakes have already been made.
No true. Artillery shells can be intercepted.
USS Wisconsin was the last Battleship to see combat, the USS Iowa was decommissioned by Desert Storm
31:38 Also colt ar-15 is NOT an automatic rifle. The Navy uses M-16's and M-4's. ( AR stands for ARmalite.)
Exactly Right BUT YOU CAN NOT TELL THAT TO A DEM !!
If you really want to be technical, the M16 and M4 are AR-15's. The XM16 was based off of the AR15 which was designed specifically for the Army to create a new weapon to replace the M1 Carbine. It didn't make it, so Armalite released it to civilian while Colt reworked it for military usage, which was later accepted.
Bring back the Montana Class and the 18" Guns. With Gluide and Excalibur technology.
Never exactly built the Montana, but yeah, a modern version of one would be nice to have one or two of those.
Iowa class, not, Montana and it was 16" (406) guns.
@@brandonlevy8680 I am aware of the Iowa class, Montana Class development was mothballed in lieu of the aircraft carrier. The US once fielded the 18"/48 caliber Mark 1 naval guns. So no correction needed thanks
@@gforce03XX you said "bring back". Which means it was once around and it wasn't. It never made it past the drawing board. So yeah. Correction needed.
@@gforce03XX , never built . So never mothballed.. the design was shelved .
The most effective Armor made by the US and UK is Chobham Armor, now, Imagine a battleship made with Chobham armor. Even if a Anti-ship missile made to the battleship it would likely do insignificant damage. and I think if 16 inch artillery shells meant for Battleships are still in stockpile, something I highly doubt, then it would be to America's advantage to update and redesign the massive guns to modern standards with more powerful explosives and also incorporate Excalibur technology into the shells to make them significantly more accurate and able to track moving targets. Plus there are already experiments being conducted to incorporate Ramjet engines into artillery shells (the XM1155 program) which would incorporate long range capabilities into artillery shells and combined with Excalibur smart technology into those shells a new Battleship could send special shells far from being within enemy reach and still do serious damage to and sink enemy aircraft carriers, battleships, submarines and supply vessels without ever endangering itself. If I could have any influence in this kind of project I think I could generate a Battleship that would be virtually unsinkable, and be an enemy navy's worst nightmare. Plus still be able to go broadsides with any of the world's battleships and come out on top with barely a scratch, send the crew out with some fresh paint to repair the only thing damaged in battle, the hull's paint scheme, and markings.
"Weapon must be simple and controllable"
Sun Tzu few thousand years ago.
Same thing French understood after production of monstrous multi-turret tanks with electric transmission ( and 2 electricans + 2 electrican helpers onboard ) in 1939 that they are not proud of, because all those tanks FAILED MISERABLY.
And it was not about "Schar B" medium tank loosing totally to Germany's EARLY Panzerwagens.
I don’t pit brother against another brother, unless they’re in a bar they’re all equally insanely trained and equally capable of handling their missions❤😂
Iowa was not the final battleship to see combat. Missouri and Wisconsin were the two deployed to Desert Storm. Iowa had already had her number two turret center gun blow out.
the voice actor is very iconic
I think the voice actors in the AI.
Whatever happened to that Swedish submarine that "sunk" the us carrier in war games, I think they went undetected too
Ha Ha, Yeah I Heard About that
I've seen about 1,000 articles about battleships coming back and have never heard a good argument for how that would actually be feasible and cost effective
Because you can counter missiles, and it is way more cost effective to shoot unguided shells than it is to shoot down unguided shells
Battleships do something that carriers and submarines can never do. You can park one in somebody's harbor and it can be an obvious and constant visual deterrent
Impressive!! Great research and accuracy! I love my Zumwalt class, and it’s been a big deal with the LMVLS project, it’s getting hypersonics currently. Proud to say I’ve been part of that project, love our destroyers
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one of the most important parts from the wilderness training for SAS is memory. You will be asked to tell the trainers how many trees in an area or what colour a bridge was something like that. If you fail to answer these you are immediately expelled.
reminded me of Robert De Niro
in Ronin 🙂
That’s not true
Iowa was already decommissioned before Desert Storm. Wisconsin and Missouri fought in Desert Storm. Wisconsin ran the Tomahawk task force, Missouri was primary Naval Gunfire Support platform.
The mysterious unspoken threat the Zumwalt destroyers were not fully capable of destroying? I'm going to go out on a limb and say that would be submarines.
the cost of operating these ships
Seems like a great job for unmanned submersible gun ships.
Imaging a “boat” surfacing 6-8 miles off shore, touting large, auto loading guns, dumping 60-100 rounds onto targets.
Then slips below the surface. Retreats and is reloaded.
Before watching this waste of time... just know this. . . When the navy dept mentioned bringing back battleships recently.. it was not using the same powder guns. It was for the new classified rail gun that is very successful and makes china's rail gun look like a slingshot.
My guess is they'll have 1 or maybe 2 turrets of powder guns, and 1 rail gun. Or vice versa.
Make lasers cannons and missal launchers on these fine battle ships as well as helicopter landing pads
Contrary to infographics, the BB’s were not brought back for shore bombardment needs, rather b/c Reagan committed to a 600 ship navy & so many of our cruisers were retiring & building capacity could not fulfill needs, so it was decided to bring the Iowas out & modernize as “real big” missile cruisers, with 16” guns indeed, but also armor sides & deck that could still take absorb significant damage.
Carriers can go in excess of 60 knots. Years ago when steaming with the USS Enterprise (we were doing plane guard) she up and kicked it up to 60 knots. I know as I was on watch (surface search radar, SPS-10). She pulled away from us like we were standing still and we were doing 30 knots at the time.
The Type 23 Duke Class are not cruisers, are anti-submarine and mutirole frigates. Their draft its their main difference because a cruiser is usually a bigger and heavier warship
Accuracy by Volume
We had accuracy and volume
I read once that when the New Jersey was off the coast of Lebanon, some of our Marines were taking artillery or large caliber mortar rounds from an adjacent ridge from their position so they called for naval gunfire support from the New Jersey on the ridge from where they were receiving insurgent fire. So the New Jersey unleashes some volleys from their 16" rifles on the offending position. So New Jersey radios hey Marines did that suppress the fire from the ridge? The Marines answered, yea roger New Jersey, except there's not a ridge there anymore lol!
That Is A Battlewagon for you
World of Warships dropped the ball on not sponsoring this video.
Excellent presentation
It looks like you have your Zumwalt-class destroyer sailing backwards.
Try special services. My sister married one. In counseling soldiers I was informed the stories I related were the perview of the SAS. I trained them in martial arts.
I think a ship that could deployed a small army of single maned escape pods would be cool ..
alot of new escape pods on ships a small drop esacape pod ship of afew on a rear .. or oil rig .. .. usualy can hold like 15 or 20 people each or so ..
But imagine a ship with single manned drop pods 100 pods on each side in rows of 3 to 5 for 600 to 1000 pods .. all designed to resurface with engines and armour piercing round light machine guns and some with anti air missiles . .. multi purpose attack espace pods would be a carrier of small ships designed to continue its fight against enemy air support or ships even after the main ship went down ..
The Pacific Ocean is huge we are not sending anything smaller than a destroyer across it for war period unless it has a mother ship.
The USS Missouri (BB-63) was the last Iowa class battleship that saw action in the Gulf
The uss Wisconsin was the last one to fire a shot in anger.
The USS MISSOURI fired the first shots of the Gulf War
She did. She also fired 783 16 inch rounds and 28 tomahawk missiles compared to Wisconsin’ 319 16 inch shells and 24 tomahawk missiles. Both ships played a pivotal role in convincing the Iraqis that the us was going to launch a amphibious invasion thus forcing the to divert vast military resources for a invasion that never came.
For every like this comment gets, i’ll do 0 pushups.
Do less those are rookie numbers in this racket 😂😂
Aight bet
Video or no proof
Done
You had me in the first half, I'm not going to lie.
P what about this has anything to do with the military wanting new battleships
Awesome video.
As with modern field guns, rocket assisted smart shells can extend the range for a hundred miles and computer guidance makes them precision. The cost advantage is many time that of a conventional missile. Their velocity also makes these shells difficult to intercept and stealth tech makes them hard to detect. There is also no tell tale exhaust.
Iowa class battleships have about 1200 16inch shells. How about making them shells missiles? 1200 missiles would be more potent with far more than 25mile range.
I love these videos and want to see them all!
A shell is very hard to hit with plane or missle. So the battle ship can be needed and the shells cost less.
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Your information and content are good. The narrator maintains a consistent and intelligible pace thats easy to follow, but the "graphics" are childish and cheesy.
Isn't it The FA-18 that's on your Carriers?.
Admirals need toys plus there was a coupon, “Buy one aircraft carrier, get a free battleship.”
I mean, Space Battleship Yamato foretold this!
Star Blazers!
Can the salvos from the battleship be retrofit with jdam?
You didn’t mention the F 35 with the aircraft carrier, I’m pretty sure you left a lot more than that out then that highly capable for offensive defense that’s my thoughts
Yeah Ford is so complex that she likely skipped 5 or 10 generations in carrier tech. Usually they include a new system or 2 to work out with a new ship. With ford they developed and improved 23 systems. Thats why it took so long and went way over budget.
If the kitty hawk can take all that and float, without the support of a crew, I'd be amazed to see what the Ford could take!
Someday we will
Chinese aircraft carrier doesn’t have close to speed of a US aircraft carrier.
Stop it. A US carrier can easily turn well over 35 knots. That’s just the fastest they tell you it will go.
When are the challenge videos coming back we all miss those and the I survived nuclear war series
The zumwalt was suppose to give us something like a modern day battleship. However, the technology just isn’t quite there yet. I’m sure we are still trying to perfect the zumwalt main weapon system.
Its The Brecon Beacons, the training area in Wales.
You are wrong about the explosive charges in missiles versus bursting charges in battleships shells. Most battleship shells had a bursting charge of less than 100lb. Most surface to surface missiles have warheads of at least 500lb. The damage battleship shells did was due to their weight and momentum not the bursting charge.
Modern battle ship would go crazy
Sure. Fully automated gunner, reload, way cheaper ammo. The disadvantages they had (crew) could basically be eliminated. Technology to intercept will get better. Higher fire rate at lower cost, good luck intercepting all of that..yup, makes some sense already.
Before anyone brings up the sub section of the video and mentions the recent RN Sub missile launch fiasco. Can I remind you the vessel and crew (British) performed flawlessly.....The Polaris missile on the other hand............
It's not Colorado, it's Coronado. You know, at the beach, near the ocean. Where the Navy Seals operate.
1.5 miles in 11 minutes for the seals is nuts. I hear most guys can do it in 10.5. crazy
why not combine the 2 ideas big guns on a aircraft carrier? planes and big guns.
A US company was building a hybrid battleship for the Soviets pre-WW2, but eventually decided to end the project before she was finished. Had they persisted for just a bit longer, USS Kearsarge, the first purpose-built battle-carrier in the world, would have been born. And even without her, the Japanese Fuso- and Ise-class battleship were eventually retrofitted into battle-carriers. Too late to matter much, but they still existed. Maybe not what you think of, but such ideas were considered before.
Okay, assume i know nothing. Now that has been established I will share ideas/thoughts.
Instead of using 16" rounds on the big battleships, what about building pocked battleships like Germany did prior and durimg WW2. Perhaps something like the Graf Spee. I believe it had 11" guns and was under 12,000 to 14,000 tons. Iowa class is 45,000 tons with 16" guns.
Another idea, albeit probably a bad one, put guns that can be used for artillery on carriers. Again, probably not a good idea.
Another thought would be to take the drone idea to a new level and range, and strap a bomb on that. Possibly even use Reaper drones if those are a thing.
My last thought, and possibly the worse one... use a big ordinace and a drone of some sort that can return after launching its ordinace.
A far out there idea, launch something into space that can return to earth, but hit a target. Could get good velocity that way.
Is it just my bad eyes or are the ships moving backward at the start of this video?
And the first salvo fired from the second turret on the Iowa blew itself to smithereens killing everyone in it.
Why not build the Monitor class of naval ships rather than battlewagons? The role of the Monitor class was to provide inland target support for contested landings, it had little armor and was much shallower in draft so that it could get its battleship caliber guns much closer to shore.
Devgru actually offers services for military and civilians…,let say you think you have what it takes to be a seal…, they have civilian courses, and many operators already apart of Jsoc also can and do receive training from Devgru programs…, they are the ROTC of the jsoc world. Other branches special missions groups also have similar but lesser known programs.
Experience is the word, not veterancy! It was the rise of the carrier that put paid to the battleship. Logical when you think about it, the battleship can only strike targets 20 miles away, but a carrier coud be 200 miles away and deal devastating blows to the battleship while being way out of reach of return fire. The main reason aircraft carriers are so fast is to create airflow over the deck, the more airflow you have, the easier it is for aircraft to take off and the more weight they can carry. Their speed also makes them harder to hit. The ship that cant be sunk or the tank which cant be knocked out will never be built. Main battle tanks are also obsolescent, and the US marines have got rid of most of theirs in favour of lighter, easily portable armour for a rapid and flexible response.
Special Air Service not special aircraft service. They do not change the oil buddy.
19:42 SCIF acronym has F for Space
A middle truck fires a missle which sets off a dumb bullet load led by the missle
I saw the USS Texas in dry dock and it may be old but it's still a massive weapon of death and destruction. Its artillery shells weigh 15x as much as the 155mm shells used in Ukraine and it has a dozen of them as well as other huge guns. During the falkans war the British worried more about the old argentenian battleships from WW2 than the smaller more modern ships. Yeah battleships can still be used in war. We still use artillery so why not?
Seals usually involved water but post gwot they have a counter terrorist group besides regular seals closer to delta the true difference is one needs the navy ones a fully contained unit that has its own intel logistics etc etc
??? I wonder how the marines would have felt about receiving the Iowa into their inventory, and how they would have chosen to deploy such a beast???
The music is annoying. It’s a common practice but seldom done appropriately.
The Iowa did not serve in Desert Storm. Wisky and Mighty Mo did.
The US weapons, especially offensive and defensive missiles technology, is developing so fast for the U.S. I’m guessing the battleship is probably the best platform for them.
Please do more research before saying things like
Colt automatic rifle 15
The AR doesnt mean automatic rifle. Its short for ArmaLite Rifle.
There is nothing automatic about and AR15 regardless of brand.
The Navy is now perfecting missile re-supply at sea. This is a game changer.
Bring them backkkkkkk🔥🔥🔥🔥not for wars for the looks
As we speak most of the people call any ship with a big gun on it a battleship. Half the people out there don't know the difference. A battleship made today coul. d be a really dangerous ship. With new kinds of shells they could be as accurate as a missile and harder to soot down. It would be nice just to see what some of the designs look like. It would be interesting to see.
Why no mention of the British Queen Elisabeth Class Carriers?.
Battleships would be the only reason for me to cross-rate to a surface sailor
Only helps having A Missile Force if you actually fuel them with fuel not water as the Chinese have supposedly been doin recently.
It'll be a destroyer/ battleship hybrid.
1 US destroyer itself will wreck a battleship.
Just one round from one of those guns is a thousand pounds. The destroyers nowadays aren't built like the old battleships. The battleships had way more armor
@@biker9835 it will never be able to hit the Destroyer is way faster with Tomahawk cruise missiles plus all the other special weapons it has it’s not called a DESTROYER FOR NO REASON.
Artillery is never obsolete
BBs will never make a comeback. At least not as we understand them. I can see BCs making a comeback, but the 16" shells (even with modern enhancements) are not cost efficient. I could see a gun focused CH or BC mounting 203's all the way up to 305's but not 406's. Any gun focused vessel will either have to be heavily escorted with a near peer (or equal opponent) or it will be used to shell insurgents who really lack the means to pose a serious threat to a naval vessel. The bigger you make a gun focused ship, the deeper the water needs to be (further from shore). I agree we (the U.S.) do need something that can fling out shells at a high volume at relatively long range but, we could do that with a CL or CA by mounting several 155's (which we already have the ammo in production ((dumb and smart shells) and still mount a credible AA defense. Most likely it will be some sort of hybrid ship that has guns AND VLS which means either one of two things. The ship is going to have to be incredibly large OR they will have to use smaller caliber guns/minimal VLS cells. The exact same reason that BBs became obsolete in WWII is even more applicable today. Instead of cheap aircraft that can be used to swarm ships, we can accomplish the same thing with missiles at a longer range, better accuracy and no risk to personal. I can see something that combines the fire power (VLS capability) of the new Constellation class FFGs with 2 turrets with 1-3 barrels each of 155's on a larger hull ( CA or CH but for current CH designations, it would have to be a minimum of 203's unless that is changed). Considering the armor a BB uses (more steel JUST for armor than most current cruisers weigh with a combat load out). I mean...considering a 1,000 LB JDAM has a range of 15 miles, just throw a stealth coating on it and dropped by a Stealth platform at 40k feet and you just lost your slow (ish), heavily armored, cumbersome and extremely expensive BB for less than $100k. That is not even counting modern anti-ship missiles. The days of 16" shells and 1' of armor belt are long gone.
Missles cost way more than drones.
@@Eastsidegeorgiaboy still cheaper than an airplane which was what I was pointing out when, I said that the reasons for the BB becoming obsolete even in the 40's is even more applicable today and missiles go a lot further than MOST drones and they carry a far heavier payload. Which would be needed if they brought back the traditional BB like so many of these comments are saying.
45:30 has some pretty entertaining graphics.
Why not use one smart middle to guide dumb shells to the target?
The Ford can go a lot faster than 35 mph.
When the Navy says their ship's speed is more than 30 knots (~35mph), it doesn't mean they can only go 35 mph. It means the Ford can go at least 36 mph, or maybe even faster than 40 mph. Actual top speed is classified.
PROBLAY 50 or 60
It is like explosive minigun sat close range vs snipers at close range
I don’t think we have the industrial capability to manufacture the armor plates of the size and thickness required to meet or exceed what the Iowa class had. It would take building new factories near the shipyards.