22LR vs .22 FAC Air Rifle - The answer that everyone wants to know ??
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- Hello all So which is better?? .22LR or .22 FAC Air ? Well I intend to find out .I don't think I will ...but who knows?? I will try anyway and you guys can watch me fail as normal ! Well this vid just shows how these .22LR and .22FAC can muck about so much . One day its good , the next day is odd as you like ! My CZ 452 using Cci standard bullets against the Daystate Red Wolf HP using Howler slugs from Daystate made by Nielson slugs was not an easy task ,but did we have a winner?? Watch for some shocking shooting and odd results .
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So I figured that a .22 shooting slugs was the way forward but you guys want to see the .25 . Well I shall endeavour to make this so . What ranges would you want to see against the Rimfire ? Tell me all
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Thanks for the reply Roger. I would say pellets for the 25 simply because most ‘pro’ shooters on UA-cam don’t rate slugs in that caliber 22 is much better, the range 100 yards is a nice round number. 👍
@@Johnnywoo7 Hold tight , are you saying that slugs don’t work in .25 buddy ? Yes , 100 yards it is , just for you mate 😀👍
@@TripleGRogerLait Hopefully you will prove me wrong only going on these other guys say, I have never bothered to try them, just use the Lithgow instead. 😁
@@Johnnywoo7 Which other UA-camrs are you referring too?
I truly believe that if I was going to video an accuracy test and post it for the world to see I would make certain the guns were zeroed BEFORE the video started lol. C"mon man....You can do better than that...Hell you didn't even show us the groups????? Really??
Great video Buddy , nice camera work also !!!
That’s super kind of you . Glad you liked it my friend . 👍👍
How much did you pay for these kind of rifles, and do you need a permit in the uk
@@themaskedairgunner4321 both need a permit in the UK and both were not cheap . Both are fantastic 👍👍
I think a more interesting comparison would be .22 shorts vs .22 FAC air. You can very close if not at the same power levels using available slugs. Great vid though
love your first try with 22LR and even more love the fact that you didn't edit it out. Lovely work mate, fun to watch thanx :)
Thanks my friend 👍
Can't believe I've never seen your videos before I subscribed I really enjoy your content actually for some reason you just seem to make things so natural and fun and pleasant can't wait to see what you doing in the future even though this is a year old video this is the first one of yours I've ever watched I enjoyed it I like that air gun and those howlers man those are awesome slugs
That’s so kind , I am making a bunch more vids very soon , can’t wait to get back at it . So glad you like them . I really enjoy making vids , there are a bunch more people out there making far far better vids than me mind . I hope mine get better …. I hope 😵😵.
Well done, thank you so much. I think a lot of people were wondering, how they compare 😁
I am going to do it again using a .25 next time against the Rimfire . Should be fun if you ask me . It’s too snowy at the moment so will have to wait a while . Stay tuned 👍😵
Literally one of the best comparison vids I’ve ever seen 😂… maybe not a scientific result, but definitely more entertaining than anything else on YT. Can’t believe I’ve not seen your vids before. Subscribed instantly.
So kind , many thanks. New vid up this eve all being well .
Nice shooting🔫! I don't know who was the winner still😄! Keep up the good videos✌
nice to see you back roger last time was with lloyd bar take care eddie nice video
I was definitely rooting for the Red Wolf. Good video, and thanks for sharing. Stay safe and stay blessed. 👍🇺🇲✌
Nice shooting and entertaining video as always, keep them coming...
Another great video, Roger 🙂 Well done ! 👍 The Red Wolf really likes them slugs ! 🏆
Thanks buddy
“So in conclusion......”😂😂😂 great vid, thanks for the grins!!!
Thanks bossman
Great video Roger I'm thinking that so far they are equal. Dana at Mountain Sport airguns was saying that you have great content and he was right. Cheers
Dana is the nicest guy and has helped me no end . I love his channel, the film work that goes in is amazing . Always love his vids
In general a high value top quality PCP air rifle using heavy premium slugs is easier to control and as mentioned by others before, it is more consistent. Vibrations and barrel harmonics are Milder and its cleaner because there is no Powder residue to consider. A top dollar top of the line .22 using premium ammo can match the accuracy but it would either cost more or you need to prepare more like rim and weight sorting your ammo and prepping your barrel. It was in the guiness book of records that the most accurate Gun is a PCP air rifle, ive read that way back in the 80s... I dont know if that still holds today where both the rimfire, airgun, and ammo have come a long way in terms of better Tech and engineering. Given a no wind condition ill give it to the PCP airgun but not by much.
That's some nice mos accuracy.. Minute of Squirrel. That's some good groups at 100 yes.
Awsome video Roger! 😎
nice video , i was just wondering about this last month ( considering to go again for a license ) , now i am curious about the .25 comparative ;) thank you for the video !
I have .25 FAC air (FX Impact) and a 22LR/HMR and a .17 Hornet. The 22LR/HMR is up for sale.
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@@RetirementVille great point
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Great video, I am subscribing because I need more gun channels that aren't from America.
Brilliant video I think it was very close and today the slugs were behaving, on a day when they arnt because its a Tuesday then the lr would win, to be honest I find my fx dreamline more accurate than my brno mod 2 👍👍
Great vid looking forward to see the .25👍
Thanks bossman . The Howlers did really well , not at first but they got better . Both guns did well eventually 👍👍
Nice gun sir.
Good vid, I enjoyed it, Cyclops Joe sent me here! Thanks, Mike
Fantastic video Roger, two fine rifles. I know my .30 Safari can give a RF a run for the money at 100. How dare you lift the gun by the scope like that haha. First person I've ever seen besides me that does that. Cheers my friend.
I know , I always lift it like that ... such a bad habit . Saying that , I do have worse ones 😵😵 Thanks buddy . 😵😵
I always carry mine that way too
Good work, called Liam, gear ordered
Very much enjoyed your presentation style 👍
Got a badly broken leg but, when my shooting mat arrives, I'm gonna drag myself into the rear garden & shoot the heck out of some cans 🤞
More comparisons would be welcome. Like sound levels and cost. I know the digital airwolf is significantly more expensive than a 22lr but ammunition price differences would make it an interesting "cost to buy and shoot 1000 times" comparison. I have a pest control business and use sub 12ftlb at present. I'd like to know which avenue to take when I do go for longer range hardware
As a .22lr Target Shooter, no-one I know uses a magazine, it's all single shot bolt action, and you're rushing your shots.
Not sure you're adjusting your NPA, so are correcting aim with muscles rather than position, or properly regulating your breathing (you seem breathless so perhaps need to settle down for longer). I also suspect you were using too much pressure on the cheek piece during the first five .22lr, and perhaps by the time you did five .22 slugs FAC were correcting with your shoulder muscles, pulling the muzzle right.
I'm assuming you batch tested various brands of .22lr and .22 Slugs at 10 yards to see which groups best, then after selecting the CCI and Slug tried at 25 yards, but I'd recommend a barrel tuner beyond that, and adjust the tuner for 100 yards before comparing FAC Air with .22lr.
However, I suspect in any variable wind the 40 grain will always be more accurate/predictable than the 20 grain.
I think 22 lr CZ 452 is more accurate than any pellet gun.Especialy using eley and lapua ammo.
Noooooo 😃😃
@@TripleGRogerLait Yesss :=)
I am new air gunner it would be nice to see how the 25 performs ,my guess is that it will buck the wind better and be more accurate ,thanks great video
That’s so kind , thank you . I will do it again with a .25 buddy 👍👍
For the PCP price I can do better with my Marlin XT @ $200.00. On air rifles I settled on a springer.
No you can’t . Sorry , don’t talk tough mate . You are talking rubbish .
Good stuff Roger very entertaining as usual. I have a 25cal Crown fac using 25.39 JSB. At a 100 yards on a good day no wind it will do 3” groups if I do my bit. Tested against my Lithgow LA 101 22LR using SK standard plus it will do 2” groups again good day and my bit. I vote for the LR. If you use “quality “ 22LR Match ammo the results will be good it’s a step up from standard ammo, just like using slugs it’s a step up from pellets. At range say 100 150 yards a 22LR will deck a rabbit I would not be as confident using an fac air rifle. Be interested to see you review when you do the 25 V 22LR comparison. Good stuff 👍
So it seems that everyone what’s to see the .25 cal V’s the Rimfire ..... well consider it done ! Now , does the .25 want to shoot slugs or pellets ?? You chose buddy , tell me what you want to see ? 😵😵
Nice one Roger i honestly still think it is on the day for both as you did pull one of the rim fire shots other wise i think it would have been equal. Problem i find with the rim fires is the amo seems to vary a lot at 100 yards as one box can need 5 more clicks than the other but its all fun,, keep safe my friend.
Only thing your pulling is your own prick m8 lol
This was interesting, thanks.
Thank you 🙏
How about the accuracy of 17hmr?
Also where can I watch some hunters cup videos?
Keep up the good work.
I'm thinking the fac will be more accurate. The air rifle will be more consistent in propellant even if pellet weight differs. 22LR the propellant and weights may differ between bullets
You could be right 😀😵
Fun video. My Tika T1x can easily out shoot my FX impact. The wind for air rifles is simply a big challenge for slugs or pellets. 40gr bullets is alot of weight. But still can move but not as much. Of course Consistency for ammo is really important. End the end the Air rifle is still Cheaper to shoot. But initial cost the Tika is only a 520$ rifle and Elley Club is about 8& a box. Toss up suppose.
Good points , well made buddy 👍👍
Haven’t tried out to 100m yet but certainly at 50 the 22FAC is winning for me
I think if you want to really test the guns you should have a rock solid rest front and rear of the guns Because with you holding the rear it becomes how accurate are you.
Having been British Team captain shooting HFT for years … I think I have that covered buddy . Thanks though 👍👍
Thanks for the video Roger nice groups. It usually takes me quite a few shots to settle when I switch probably due to being a carp shot. That's my excuse.
O Cod !!!
Dude, will you ever show us the groups? :-)
I certainly will . Promise 👍
@@TripleGRogerLait Yessss! :)
Love it
Nice shooting roger .could you do a vid on how to clean the red wolf barrel be great to see how you do it . All the best stay safe 👍
Great idea 💡 . I shall do that for you bossman . I do clean my rifle WAY too much !! I love cleaning rifles mind . 😵😵
@@TripleGRogerLait cheers for that mate looking forward to that .all the best 👍
My RAW Hm1000x .22 shooting 25gr slugs out shoots my damn CZ 457 pro .22lr at 100yrds an more! Its crazy
You can’t go wrong with an HM for sure . Amazing guns !! I love them
all depends on the quality of the gun , ammo and shooter .definately easier with a quality pcp, also recoil with the LR, stick an anschutz straight pull ball bearing action jobby with ammo it likes on that bipod and I'd beat the pcp, but there's a three grand plus price to pay for that kind of accuracy..horses for courses to a degree..mind you it wasn't that long ago that this question was a no brainer, so it's just bloody awesome the air rifle kit that's available to us now
Good vid rodger .
How come you didn't show the groups up close ?
I couldn't see on my phone from 100 yds away .
I also find your aiming technique interesting .you come up to center and slip the trigger very quickly once its somewhere near, as opposed to a hold on center and control breathing till the images settles . Does your method reduce snatched shots or increase them ?do you feel .
I do have my own style of shooting oddly enough , but it kind of works fir me ?? Certainly does not work for everyone . I am different ( as I am told all the time 😃)
My anshutz 1416 out shoots .25 Impact well and truely but my matador With 22 slugs is close. It the Rimmy that bucks the wind best, but it ricochets like a banshee
But I like them all
I like mine all too . You can’t go wrong with an Annie for sure 😵
I would like to see any air rifle up against a bedded 17HMR at a 100-300 yards. It’s just a 17 grain bullet.
why are you locking the bipod that can cause shots to go off
What was the speed of the air, ? And what is your reg sat at.
😂😂😂😂 well done Roger 👍👍
Thanks buddy 👍
So..i noticed 1 bipod gave a bit more of a steady shot than the other.What was the fps, more push, straighter line ?
I only filmed through the scope cam on one gun . That’s why it was steady buddy
Quite interesting. I had a friend over with his CZ shooting the Quiet-22 CCI at 710 fps. And it was actually fairly tame in the sound department. We calculated the energy at 45 foot pounds on the CZ and my .22 Cricket was shooting around 40 foot pounds with 18.1 gr JSB's so they were quite close in power. He wanted to zero at 30 yds for squirrel hunting and he had a 3-9 power Nikon scope. We shot five shot groups at 30 yds and I pretty much smoked him? Of course it could be that I was using a 30 power scope on my Cricket pup? Would be cool to see you do a test at say 30 to 50 yds/meters with the CCI Quiet rounds against pellets ? I was amazed at how quiet they were compared to the regular long rifle rounds.
I can do the same with different rounds if you fancy ? Let me look into that . Not sure I can get the CCi’s at the moment mind but will try
@@TripleGRogerLait Cool, this is what my friend was using. By the way I got him hooked on airguns that very day. He now owns a .22 Coyote and a .25 Vulcan! www.cci-ammunition.com/rimfire/cci/quiet-22/6-960.html
texan .257cal please
Wouldn’t Life be dull if everything you shot was hole on hole . Keeps life interesting ! 😁
For sure buddy 👍
If you can get the pellets to be exactly the same wight......the pellets will win.
22lr rounds can be massively inconsistent in thr weight and powder charge.
Great video Roger👌Out of interest what ftlb is the Red wolf running at? Cheers
Thanks buddy , most kind of you . Using the Howler slugs through the Red Wolf , it was running 43 ft/lb . It’s a lump lower because they are only light . Normally it between ( and this is the odd part ) 57 to 51 ft/lb ? No idea why ??
Great video. I wonder though if you shot heavier slugs at a higher speed how would you do? same results but in wind the 32gr and 34gr hold up better and still keep that energy.
That’s worth a look and I will do so for sure 👍
I am a Chinese,but I very very like your videos!every time you get me so fun!
Thank you 🙏. I am happy you like the video my friend 👍👍
What’s the speeds on both? If the 22lr is going subsonic and you have the right barrel it will be pretty much just as good as the air rifle but will not be affected bye wind as much. The same goes for the air rifle if you up the bullet to a 40grain and shoot it just below the transonic barrier.
Air is good if theres no wind, otherwise full bore is the way to go
If you say so
With friends we have shot my .22lr CZ 452 Varmint (pillar bedded) at 300 yards at Bisley using the old Eley 40 grain sub sonic hollow points breezy day better than 6" groups before pillar bedding. I would bet that your CZ 452 would improve on that, strangely my 452 hates CCI & Winchester loves all flavours of Eley. what is the great looking stock on your 452
Thanks for that , yes my .22 LR is a cracking tool , it’s accurate but not as much as the FAC air which is amazing . The stock is a Dolphin stock and I must say helps accuracy big time . Sadly it’s a one off as Dolphin don’t make them for 452’s normally . Guess I am just lucky 😵😵. My gun loves CCi and not much else really ? It will shoot other rounds but not with the accuracy of the CCi standard by any means
Great vid please do the same with the .25
Will do buddy 👍😵
2.21 in and I say air rifle. I say it was a 50 50 but I think I want a new toy lol looked fun stil cold tho lol
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I will always prefer my .22 lr to a high powered airgun, also why go through all the hassle off getting a firearms license for an air gun as must get our medical history from the docs etc, also the airguns are great for certain situations for hunting especially around barns where the .22 lr is to much but then a sub 12ft will do the job.
FAC air is so worth it , I really w joy it and love shooting them . I have a couple of .22LR’s and they are great for certain things , but by saying that so is the FAC air. You should try one , I bet you enjoy it 👍
@@TripleGRogerLait i have the gunpowder stealth that is around 30ft lbs using Bisley magnums that weigh about 21.4grains, I find them ok but I still prefer the power of the .22 lr at longer ranges and they have better knock down power over those distances than the fac airgun, but maybe the fac airgun got their uses as in built up areas where the .22 lr can be more of a danger as you understand they send some dangerous ricochets when using in fields with flit etc, also I have come across foxes when out with the .22 lr and have taken them out over a 100 yards using subsonic ammo which I would never attempt with a .22 airgun.
Nice vid . I find Norma subs .22 lr are the most accurate out of CZ 457 & Anschutz, we get very, very good results using H&N slugs 21&23 gr and I have tried most slugs but H&N always come out on top , even at 120+ yards .
Can you buy howlers yet in this country as daystate have put there name to it ?
.25 I recon will be the winner out of all three , specially if using JSB mk2 33.9 gr pellet . I have tried 5 different slugs makes but can’t get them to work , then I tried JSB mk2 slugs which we got sent for testing, these look very promising & same weight as mk2 pellets
22 lr still the winner . Didn't have to walk 2 miles back to your car to refill. Or might of had too .? Good video mate .
Thanks buddy . Don’t get me wrong , I really love my .22 LR , I just think the airguns are more accurate ?
@@TripleGRogerLait yer I agree get that reg set up and right slug . Only letdown is the refills. O and price .🤣
What is the cost of each rifle? also, some people wouldn't want the hassle of filling diving bottles etc.
.22LR is a more accurate rifle than a.30 and in the right hands is a personal favourite, the .25 is not much of an improvement in a bit of wind down range because the .22lr is cutting through the air faster IMO the only thing that you have with the .25 is a bigger impact like being hit by a cricket bat and the .22lr is more like hitting with a golf club, like a good swing with a number 2 wood in the right hands and distance you can put the round where you want it but the .25 or .30 it matters less on accuracy because the impact is going to make a mess of whatever it hits
In your opinion right ?? 😵
@@TripleGRogerLait of course, I can only give my opinion like you can give yours, nothing more than a comment on the subject matter because of that's how we learn new things from each other. sorry for not putting it in to begin with
Roger what is that bipod on the LR please ?
Hi buddy , it’s a Tactical Evo and it works really well . Defo worth a look mate
@@TripleGRogerLait thanks very much,
I will for sure.
Keep up the great vids mate.
what is the price difference between the two rifles?
Isn't the 22lr sub a lob shot
Comparison between 20 gr and 40 gr ammo is not. quite correct - WIND is the key. More correct rival for 22LR would be .25 cal. PCP with a slug close to 40 grains
Yep, that why I did it again buddy . Check the videos 👍
my 22 long rifle is very acurade in long distance!
Would love to see some groups buddy 👍👍
@@TripleGRogerLait with a good 22 long rifle and a good 22lr ammo of course, you can hit a target at 300 yards accurate!
Kinda shaky !! On the redwolf
Amazing. What ftlb is the FAC Please x
The FAC air was running at 44 ft/lb
Which are the make and model of your CZ 452 stock and ball of the bolt handle?
Did you make the tests in UK or US? I am wondering because you are not using an official shooting range.
The model of my stock is Dolphin gun company , the bolt is a CZ bolt and no it’s not an official range .
Which are make and model of the
A ??
What kind of scope camera is that
Hi buddy , it’s the Eaglevision cam and it’s brilliant . I don’t think I have got it working as well as I could mind . I am going to fiddle with it this weekend to make the rest look sharper .
If the LR is ss then air will win
I think that the fac will win, and havyer pellet
No it was not steady like the fire arms was so not fair
Really ???
Can’t really even see where you are hitting on the targets. Like trying to watch a house fly on the wall at one hundred yards.
22lr
I know less now then when you started 😭
Me too 👍👍
Was a good video 👍 would have thought the powder would have had an edge
@@tomiliff7591 I “kind” of did too buddy . The Airgun did win but I need to do this again further out .
CCI are not the most accurate 22LR. Eley and Lapuna are better.
Not in my gun sadly .
Next time use a quality .22lr. You’re using a budget .22 against a high end pcp. My vudoo .22lr runs circles around Airguns.
Yeah of course it does 🤣🤣
My Goodness! Man you are using over 1K guns !!!! Have better targets for goodness sake!!!!!
My targets are great buddy . They work a treat . You can see where I miss …. And I do miss 😵😵😵
Why did you shoot your 1st 5 LR with HV ammo but then your 2nd string you used subs????.
All was shot with subs , why would I switch half was through ??
The gun sounded much quieter on the second group with the .22lr .
So begs the swap in ammo question .?
I dont know why they sounded quieter ?
@@rufusduck71 not a clue ?
That fake acu tak bipod won't help great stuff
It’s not a fake Accutac, it’s a proper nice one from CSW . I like Accutac mind .
Trip I'm just sending Bach my element hellx it shight get more for with the crap metal dealer I've come to my culclusion the S.A boys get all the shit with the best glass and tinkering bits and we get the ones made by some kid who gets a cup of rice a day and I swear you acu tak looks just like my fake one lol
I would have used slugs not pellets
I did use slugs ??
My money was on the FAC 😀
My money was on the Rimfire , the Airgun did really really well . I am going to do it again , FAC air in .25 against Rimfire . I think that might be good ??
@@TripleGRogerLait 👌
@@TripleGRogerLait my money will go on the FAC again 😉
Yer. Bets a tax return.... 🤣👍
Glad you liked it 😵😵
I think 'your' mate should keep his opinions to himself. He's obviously got no experience of a . 22lr competition match rifle using batch tested Tenex from Eley. I'm looking at a group from just Eley Match ammunition of 9.5mm outside to outside measurement produced outdoors at 50m. It defeats the argument to use a top of the line air rifle pitted against a so so .22lr that nobody in their right mind would use for competition small bore. Like for like
you cant shoot LOL
True 😂
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