Buying Adventure Tires - Lesson Learned
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- Опубліковано 8 лис 2023
- Buying ADV Tires can be a process. As a rider becomes more familiar with the bike, and determines the type of riding they do most of the time, it's only at that point that a rider can settle on the tire that's right for them.
In this video, we'll review the Pirelli Scorpion Rally STR, Michelin Anakee Wilds, and the Motoz Adventure RallZ. The video will cover my experience with these tires. If you want a technical review of the tires, recommend you check out Kyle Bradshaw @manybikes .
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Great review and channel. I too ride a KTM 890 Adventure. Currently running Mitas E07+. Long tread life and good all around behavior for slabbing on country roads to trail head or gravel road.
Do the E07's provide good traction in the dirt? Given the longer tread life, I'm thinking the tire must be a harder compound.
I think so. I've red the Mitas E07 / + on F800GS, KTM 890 Adventure , and KTM 690 Enduro R. I would get the E07+ version. My understanding they are slightly softer than standard version. Also they don't have a solid center. I live in northern Virginia . So lots of slabbing and Blue Ridge Parkway to reach gravel and fire roads. @@MichauxOutdoors
Really helpful, thanks for responding
Totally agree with your summation. I had all 3 in the same order , never ran the pirelli as I got the dealer to swap them for Anakee wilds before I rode the bike as I could tell looking at them there was little lateral grip on gravel roads we have here in NZ, had the same high hopes as you for the Anakee wilds and they were great for about 500 km but they were like butter and basically melted , only good on asphalt after 1-2000 km, Fitted the Rallz and have been very happy, they really hook up in the dirt and are good on gravel as well as asphalt ( although a bit noisy), over 4000km on them now and they still hook up as good as when I put them on, probably about half worn so I'll replace at about 5-6000km probably before they get too low.
Yeah, exactly. I have high hopes for these Rallz. Have about 1500 miles on them now and they really hook up in the dirt and gravel. Appreciate you watching.
@silverdale3207 HI I'm just wondering was that on a 890 Duke as well? I'm new to dirt riding in NZ, (Whanagaoaraoa) and have recently put Karro4 on my GSA850 to get into gravel roads around here. Coming off Anakee 3 which I just didn't't get on with, off or on road.
@@kevhorne8907 Hey, just seeing this post. Help me understand your 890 Duke question. Thanks
Hi there, we call Australia Oz like the wizard of Oz. So Motoz is like that with no ee on the end. I’d say Rallz would be the same with no ee on the end. We pronounce the letter Z …… zed. I hope that helps 😀
Yes, that helps. Appreciate you clarifying that point for us 😀
Motoz Rallz, continuous sound for the last letter. Btw, if it was separate, it would be Moto-zed and Rall-zed, never Moto-zee and Rall-zee. 👍 for @rubbaduck6362
@@motopasky call what you want, I don’t care. I answered it the best I could from an Australian pov 👍
Septics don’t/can’t speak proper English…. don’t waste any more time explaining… they just don’t get it !
Stopped running the mitas e07 after the lugs pulled away from the carcass. Same problem with the motoz rallz. The scorpion str is the only tire I've used that holds up to fast corners on pavement, and light off road use. Never had any problems with lateral grip on the STRs like other have said.
If you're riding mostly pavement, sounds like the STRs are a good tire choice for you. My experience was the same with the STRs, great on the roads in all conditions. However, in the dirt and loose gravel, that side bite just wasn't there for me. I guess that's why there's a smorgabord of tires out there. Thanks for your inputs.
A basic Shinko 705 can let a bike drag the pegs on pavement, and if your used to riding gravel a 705 can get by just fine. I run em on my 890 and get 6000 miles out of a rear.
Obviously they arent knobbies and some care needs to be taken on gravel, on hardpack dirt they work great like flattrack tires to some degree.
Not a mud tire, and I dont really like em in rain on pavement.
Pete from OZ here, I love the Motoz tyres, I'm on my 4th set, tried the GPS, Rall-Z and now the 2nd set of Adventure. Yes, they are noisy on tarmac but they are great in the dirt and pretty good on the road. My last rear I got approx 10-11,000 km out of it. Just so you know, I have a 2018 R1200GSA. And I pronounce them Rall-Zee, 2 words.
I'm getting mixed feedback on how to pronounce Rallz. So perhaps the answer is - say it however you like.
The Motoz tires have gained tremendous popularity here in the states. It's the only tire I run now in the dirt and gravel. Thanks for watching
You obviously aren't Australian if you say 'zee' mate.
@@68404 lol
I agree with you regarding tire noise. It never ceases to amaze me how much people exaggerate about how loud they think tire noise is.
If the tire performs in the dirt, I'll deal with the noise on the road. Where we ride, no one's listening!
It amazes me you think you know what others have to think. Maybe your exaggerating?
A loud tire on road gets really old if you go very far.
@@bradsanders6954 it amazes me you think I said I know know what others think when I didn't, especially when they tell people what they're thinking themselves.
However, I am speaking from personal experience with guys I roll with who've made these kinds of comments and we have had our own convos on the topic and they go admit that maybe it's not as loud as they imagined.
But, It also, amazes me how triggered and defensive people get on the internet when they "think" they understand another person's comments and don't. Like, asking for clarification ain't that hard, which people never do. They just respond.
After riding off-tarmac for tens of thousands of kilometers, including the tires referenced here, my favorite tire used on two of my dual-purpose bikes is the Dunlop Trailmax. But, in my honest opinion, compared to what I used thirty years ago, they’re all good.
I agree, we have a smorgasbord of good tires today. You mentioned the Dunlop Trailmax tires. Which do you run, the Raid or Mission?
@@MichauxOutdoors At the moment, two of my bikes run Mission. But, as new tires are marketed, I’m constantly trying new options. The only tire I’ll likely never give up on are the Michelin Pilot 4’s on my VFR - with those I’ve never found better performance for the bike or the buck.
Thanks for this info. I'm waiting for the Mitas E07+ warranty replacement tires ( known issue , but no replacement stock at KTM in Europe it seems ). I think you convinced me going for the Anakee Wild's. Thx for the video. What pressures do you run when going on single tracks or when it's muddy ?
The Anakee Wilds are a radial tire. I always run radial tires at the recommended pressure. For the 890, it's 35#'s. If I'm running a bias tire, I'll pressure down at least 5#'s.
I've got the Motoz Adventures on my 1250GS. It's going to take alot to get me to put anything else on. These tyres are just in a different league! I run out of talent quickly offroad and these things save my butt again and again.
That's a good way to put it ... these tires instill confidence that sometimes isn't justified.
Obviously depends on where you ride, I rode a lot of rocky and large chunky terrain on an 890 Adventure, where the Scorpion Rally STRs are basically not a compromise. A solid casing, capable of withstanding knocks and hooks up great off the edges of rocks and slabs, then there is very little sacrifice on the road. These tyres are amazing for the road for what they are. Not sure about the 80/20 designation I'd say at least 70/30 leaning towards 60/40 when looking at terrain like I ride.
I hear you. The Scorpion Rally STRs are good tires, especially if you lean towards more road riding. For the type of off-road riding we do, mostly loose dirt and gravel, I didn't experience the level of traction I'm accustomed to with the STRs. There's a smorgasbord of tires out there I guess for this reason. Appreciate you weighing in.
Thanks for the honest review. I considered buying the ANAKEE WILD but significant wear after 500 miles is just ridiculous... it's about 5-6 trips in max 2 months.
Yeah, I was thinking the Anakee Wilds might be the answer. With the wear after 500 miles, the ride quality degraded noticeably. What kind of riding do you do ... blend of on/off road - mostly road?
@@MichauxOutdoors In terms of time, it is about a division of two hours to reach and return to the route and another 4-5 hours on the off-road route. Apart from mud and sand I ride on any trail that is not pure enduro.
The old, reliable Continental TKC80's might be worth trying
To add to your learning curve - pressure and suspension setup. People tend to have too much reb damping on the rear and this creates tear on the weak knobbies.
The radial tyre carcass also likes to be kept on higher pressure all the time (on and off the pavement) in comparison to the bias offroad tires. And then there is the traction control.
It behaves different with diffferent tires. When we tested our build bike and the "rally" settings etc, we killed a set of anakees with one weekend. Completely worn and even removed some lugs.
But I think in this day and age we should be really happy, there is plenty of rubber to choose from and given that people understand, that they are consumables, every now and then we can find a new favorite.
Good points. When I run a bias offroad tire, I tend to lower pressure by 5 lbs (e.g., 35# down to 30#). I did maintain recommended pressure in the Anakee Wilds as radial tires. Agree that the Rally setting can eat up a rear tire. However, the Rallz is holding up great on the rear under the same settings. Anakee Wilds were too soft of a compound for the riding we do.
Your last point is the right perspective - tires today are consumables. My primary goal is to enjoy the ride. If my tire choice has me changing tires every 600-1000 miles, that's the way it is. Appreciate your comments
I ride very similar terrain, ranging from well maintained dirt to hard single track with sloppy mud and slick wet rock in the northeast. My favorite tire choice to date, by bike type:
500 EXC or similar dual sport: Tusk Dsport rear / D606 Front
Midsized ADV / Scramblers: MotoZ RallZ
Big (1200+ ADV): Mitas E07+
How do you like the Tusk Dsport rear? Never ran that tire. Good grip and lateral bite in the dirt?
@@MichauxOutdoors I love it. It's every bit as good as the D606 rear, lasts longer, and costs less. Only downside is it is an absolute beast to mount. That said, there are other tires I haven't tried that some people swear by, like the GT333s. In my experience, many of the dual sport tire reviews and recommendations come from people riding in desert environments, which is completely different from what we have in the northeast. So it's often hard to go by recommendations without knowing what off-road environment someone is predominantly riding in.
Thanks, sounds like a tire for consideration
I'm on my second set of Motoz Adventure rear and Dual venture front on my T7. Ran both MABDR and NEBDR last June, 4200 miles in total, and they lasted roughly 7K miles (the front would have lasted a lot longer had I flipped it every 2K miles, my mistake). I installed a new set and ran the Smokey 500. I also take the bike on the Jeep trails and they handle both road and harder off road without fail. They are noisy, but I don't mind as I have earplugs and listen to music on the highway anyway. I love these tires!
I will try the new Dunlop Rally Raid for my next set. They seem to be very similar to the Motoz, so I'm curious.
I'm running the Rallz on both front and rear. What's been your experience with the dual venture on the front? In the loose dirt and gravel, do you get good front wheel bite?
Different topic - I've done the MABDR. Planning to do the NEBDR in the spring. Any helpful hints for the NEBDR?
@@MichauxOutdoors The Dual venture feels a bit unstable at first on the asphalt, but smooths right out after a hundred miles or so, then it runs smooth even at high speed (tested up to 100mph). Off road, it hooks up pretty well and I've not had any issues washing out on dirt and gravel so far, and it even behaves fairly well in mud, no packing.
The NEBDR is much tougher than the MABDR, but a lot more fun as well. The Vermont class 4 roads can be challenging depending on weather conditions, but honestly not crazy, and I would not bypass them if you are a somewhat decent off road rider - they were the highlight of the trip for me.
I've encountered one notorious road in Vermont that I had to turn around on due to wet conditions (Ice Bed road), and another optional ATV loop in Maine that I got stuck in a tub of mud for 40 minutes. Had to drag the bike in the mud to get out, so I'd prepare physically for these kind of challenges (or bypass the hard stuff if you don't want to).
Other than that, the route is gorgeous, I was especially surprised with rural NY state, beautiful properties and landscapes. NH opens up quite a bit too, which is a good change of scenery after thousands of miles of green tunnels.
Expect lower speeds than the MABDR. Took me 6 days to cover the 9 sections of the MABDR, but a full 8 days for the NEBDR, between more challenging off road sections and the route going through a lot of neighborhoods, you can only reasonably cover one section per day. You can start opening up up north, though. All in all, I loved it!
I may move to the dual venture on the front when the Rallz wears out. Thanks.
Appreciate the insights on the NEBDR. We're planning a Spring ride, but concerned about conditions as we head North. Any recommendations on timing of the year?
@@MichauxOutdoors I did my run in June and had probably 4 full days of rain out of 17 days, but the temperatures were mild and lodging plentiful.
I would probably recommend mid to end of September instead to line up with the fall colors? The trees were gorgeous last month when I did the Smokey 500, I'm sure it would be even better up north at that time of the year. It's also what the BDR organization recommend, if I recall properly.
Sounds right. Appreciate the guidance
Aussie here. I have the Motoz Tractionator Rallz (made up word, pronounce it as you want I reckon) on the 901 also had them on a Tiger 1200 Rally Explorer. Great tire, has some road noise as can be expected but they wear well and have decent manners on and off road.
I have to do a lot of highway to get to the good stuff so am wearing the centre out a bit faster than I would like.
A few people have the Motoz Tractionator Adventure tyres, They are are an offroad tire still but the knob spacing is reduced slightly.
I will probably be swapping the rear to the adventure for a trial next set. With slip control I don’t think its as critical what you have on the rear as long as the front is gripping well.
One thing to add.
For anyone from a road background that makes the move to riding on knobbies. You cannot beat physics.
ABS makes stopping on bitumen less of a concern and traction control stops the rear stepping out however… If you brake hard like you would on road tires you will wear the front wheel VERY quickly.
You CAN still pull up fast when you need it, but just ride less aggressively on the road, especially when slowing/coming to a stop if you want your rubber to still perform offroad. Lots of videos out there on youtube with triangular shaped knobs and confused riders… just save your “fun” for the dirt. (or open you wallet for tires more often)
I suspect the pronunciation is more like roylz, and in roylals without the a?
Dunno.
The 'Adventure' does not have the silica content the 'Rallz' has - so if you ride in the wet..😅
This is exactly the point. Know the terrain you like to ride, choose a tire for the best performance on that terrain, and be willing to make sacrifices on other surfaces.
@@MichauxOutdoors I've had a few Rallz - fantastic tyre for serious off road and fine for tar - except the noise. My current compromise is Rallz front and GPS on the rear - same deep lugs but small centre strip eliminates road noise on commute. Good enough everywhere other than deep sand and long mud baths 😎
I recommend you give the motoz tractionator gps dualsport a try. Long life great for on road and logging roads
You're right, I jumped right to the Rallz given we ride off-road 90%+ of the time. Why do you like the gps dual sport better?
Appreciate the information. Curious why you didn't pick up the R model instead since you spend more time off-road?
You're right, I made a mistake. Made a video on this exact topic. When buying the 890, i was coming off a KTM 500exc and a BMW K1600 thinking 50/50 would be my riding. However, at this point, my riding is mostly off-road. Appreciate you watching.
I pronounce it “rallys”.
I ride a BMW F850GSA. My set up is TKC80 on the front and RallZ on the rear. The RallZ is very tough and has survived some very rugged terrain, eg the Flinders Ranges in South Australia. The TKC also handled it perfectly but I use it in preference to the RallZ because the softer compound gives me better grip cornering on the tarmac
Thanks for sharing your tire selection. Do you ride more road or off-road?
Before you got to the final tyres I was going to suggest Motoz (mo tozz).
As Australians pronounce Z as zed, I would say it Ralls, not rall zee.
I have the Motoz Tractionator gps on the rear and the dual sport on the front of my Suzuki xf650.
I like a chunkier option on the front and like you I’m happy to compromise on road performance for off road performance.
Happy trails mate 😎🇦🇺🍻
Happy trails, appreciate you watching
What that combo like on wet roads? Do they hold wet corners well please?
@@holden3083 unfortunately I have never used them on wet roads so I can’t confirm Holden.
I’ve got a trip to the Flinders ranges next month so I may find out then 😬
@@RealHooksy. Sweet. Sounds like it’s going to be a pretty good trip. How do u find that combo on the dry tarmac & on gravel roads? Do they hook up well in the dry conditions?
@@holden3083 I find them great in the dry on bitumen and gravel roads.
I did Adelaide to Broken hill and back late last year with probably 40% dirt and it did well.
That being said, I’m fairly slow nowadays so I’m not pushing the limits.
I’d rather get home in one piece than not.
I run the gps rear in 50/50 mode and it hooks up well in hard pack and sand.
Would probably go better in the off-road direction on the dirt but I’m happy to compromise.
The DV front is tubeless type but I run it with a tube.
I believe this has a chunkier profile and am happy with that too.
My mate just put another GPS on the back of his Tiger 800 and got about 10,000 Kay’s out of it, but he rips it pretty hard on and off road.
He did the broken hill run with me and a lap of tassie earlier this year in all conditions so that’s a pretty good advertisement for them I’d say.
Good luck with your choice mate 😎
I run the TKC80 21 front and a D908RR 18 rear on my CRF1000 but this bike is my big off road bike and this seems to be the best setup so far..
What's been your experience with the TKC80? I have same tire on my Husqy 350. Reasonable traction, but rubber compound seems hard in rocky terrain.
The TKC are big bike tires I run a Bridgestone M59 front and a Pirelli MT 16 rear on my WR250F and I ride NEPA in the same woods they have the RORR hard enduro and my 15 yr old WR and me 60yrs old grandma keep up with the guys I ride with. Hands down the best setup for lil bikes in the rocky woods.... But this is just me and it may not work for you. Tho the M59 is on the front of a lot of bikes I ride with.. @@MichauxOutdoors
I never rode the TKC's. Came stock on the Husqy. On my other dirt bikes, I run the Bridgestone M59 like you on the front and a Dunlop AT81 on the rear. In the past, we did lots of riding in Hazelton so i know the area. Years ago, they cracked down on riding by limiting the areas to ride so we looked elsewhere. Is that still the case, or have things changed?
Hazelton has no riding and over by me "JT" the people that took over Hazelton come and dump junk and piss off people so our riding is going away as well The stuff I ride is next to FRO land most of it is too hard form them to ride so it's a safe place to ride and keep. I ride a lot of BDR stuff with my CRF1000 and KLX650 what part of PA are you in now?? @@MichauxOutdoors
That's a shame about Hazelton. Back in the day, it was great riding. We do much of our riding off the Mid-Atlantic BDR in the Michaux and Tuscarora state forest areas.
rallz rear very noisy on road and rear requires extra attention on wet asphalt. Other than that very satisfied. Got about 5k on a set right now, and can not say overall grip has changed very much compared to new. Only thing that has changed clearly, was rear braking on soft dirt - new tire with sharp edges just dug trenches beneath itself, but now it lost some of this. Also front tire has more braking grip offroad than i was thinking it had. Only after said 5k i've started to realise i can brake much harder than i was thinking i could.
So you're also running the rallz on the front? I'm pleased with the performance so far running the the rallz front and rear. It appears more riders go with the dual venture on the front combined with the rallz on the rear.
@@MichauxOutdoors i have no complaints from the front. Depends where you riding.
Its a Rall zee to me. Either or i think. I have one on the rear of my R1250GS with the Anakee Wild on the front. Its been a great combination but now that i have a dedicated dirt bike im going to fit some STR's as ill only ride dirt roads at best on the GS now.
From all the feedback, I agree, it seems like it's an either/or for the pronunciation of Rallz. The STRs are great for that purpose. My one hesitation with the STR is the lateral tread pattern on the rear tire, even on dirt roads, allowing the rear to step out around turns.
I just went to the Motoz Rallz and find them pretty sketchy on road in the wet. The front is insane noisy. Great off-road though. I had the Pirelli Scorpion Rally Race's on before which were amazing all-rounders but wore out around 3000 miles. Going to give the new Tusk tires a go next.
My experience with the Rallz on the wet road is the tires improved significantly after 300-400 miles. Yes, the tires are noisy, but I'll deal with the noise for the off-road performance! I've never tried the Tusk tires. Let us know how you like them.
A lot of time on the more aggressive tread patterns type tires they do get noisy quickly if you air down a lot and then don't get them aired back up before you get back on pavement because what happens is they wear an evenly and then when you do are them back up there are noisy so I think the key on those is if you do are down be sure to are them back up if you've got like 20 or more miles to hit the payment or let's say for 30 or 40 miles because the pavement c makes them wear to the point where they are very uneven
Appreciate the point. So far with the Rallz, I've not aired down when in the dirt. The Rallz are performing great at the recommended tire pressures. If you air down the Rallz in the dirt, what pressure do you run?
MotoZ for the win all day long!!!
Totally agree! Can't see changing tires any time soon.
Consider the Bridgestone AX41. They are great all terrain tires.
Thanks for the recommendation. I looked at these tires previously. Tread depth from new appeared shallow compared to other brands. Any thoughts?
@@MichauxOutdoors The AX41 is VERY popular, some guys ride pavement and dirt both, like ADV riding. Near full knobbies just arent the thing going down the road.
But they look bad ass so some run em no matter what. I hate the noise on full knobbies on road................if I rode 90% dirt an 890 would not be my choice.
👍. What are the motoz rallz like on wet road please? Do they hold well on corners in wet weather ?
I really like the Rallz for the primary riding we do - offroad, mostly forest roads and single track. Unfortunately, they're not great on wet roads, particularly in the corners. However, on dry pavement, the ride is fairly smooth and comfortable. If you're concerned about performance on paved roads, especially wet roads, I'd look for a different tire. The Anakee Wilds may be a good choice. Because our riding was mostly off-road, the tread on the Anakee Wilds didn't hold up. However, it's a great tire on the dry and wet pavement. Hope this helps.
There's pretty much nothing dirt wise around me. Gravel roads at best. I like street riding.
I also like the adv rallies and loved ADVFest in Black Hills last year. I put the Anakkee Adventures i had to work on the intermediate trails.
This year, im planning on putting on a good off-road tire for any rallies and trailering my bike. That way, i can have fun at the rally while being practical the other 95% of the year.
Sounds like a good plan if there's lots of pavement between you and the dirt. I'm not a big believer in finding one tire that "can do it all". I've adopted the approach to mount tires that provide the maximum traction and enjoyment for a specific type of riding - for me on an adventure bike, it's forest roads and single track. Thanks for checking in.
Hi, I Would love to hear your experiences with Dunlop Trailmax Raid if you have a chance to try them out. Cheers! 🏍️💨
Hi, I don't have experience with the Dunlop Trailmax Raid tires. What mix of riding do you do - % on-road vs. % off-road?
@@MichauxOutdoors Well, let's say I do 50/50. So I have decided to go with Dunlop Trailmax Raid when I have worn my Pirelli Scorpion Rally STR. From what I've read and heard, the Raid will suit my needs fine. Not only a 50/50 tyre but also good wet grip on tarmac, which is important to me. 👍🏻 🏍️💨
i habe the pirelli str scorpion on my 1290s 2023, amazing tire for what i do, long tours plus dirt roads and paths that i want to explore. handle tweeties better then road tires😁 not good in sand and mud, but if you have a 20k dollar machine id advice not to ride it like it was a 10k bike :) i have 7k on the rear, still have maybe 2k more. i do power wheelies ,abuse it, great tire. But every ride i check my pressures, front 2.1 back 2.3. if you ride them with the recommended they will burn faster
I agree the STR Scorpions are an excellent tire if you do mostly road riding. As you said, not good in sand and mud - for us, we ride mostly loose dirt, rocks and mud - so again, not good. Good luck with that 1290
@@MichauxOutdoors hey thanks buddy , and you ride safe offroad, and have fun.
You might want to give Mitas a shot. Since I started using their products I never went back to the bigger brands
When I moved to Rallz, I also looked at the Mitas tires. Which tire do you run?
@@MichauxOutdoors On my 800GS I had the EO9 when I knew I was going to do a lot of gravel and some off-road. Had the EO7 when I did long distance touring and now on my Africa Twin I have the E07+ while I break it in.
The E07+ is to me at least a amazing 50/50. Should be called a 70/70 🤣
Others are also mentioning the E07+. Sounds like a good option.
My personal issue is that I want to ride fire roads and BDR stuff but I live in Texas. So I have a 1,000 miles or more of pavement before I get to anything decent like New Mexico or Colorado.
I have a Super Tenere 1200 and I’m leaving towards the Dunlop Trailmax Mission or the Mitas E07 I’m just worried about burning up the E07 on the pavement before I make it to any decent off-road or the Dunlop Mission not having enough grip once I do get off-road.
Yeah, I get it. 1,000 miles one way will burn up some rubber. The E07 is much like the Michelin Anakee Wilds, however, with much better tread life.
I live near the MABDR and GWNF too and truly find myself 50/50. Running the E07’s and Scouts at higher pressure my best gal and I. Seeing 8-10k life. Used to use Annakees. 1st Gen Super T and F650 twin. Kinda over chasing the latest best tires thing.
@@Lt_Tragg Nice, I have a 2016 Yellow Super T
Could I inquire please what kind of lift do you have there in the before the front wheel on the 890?
I wish I could give you a brand and model, but no markings on the lift. I bought the lift from a Ducati dealer about 10 years ago. The owner of the shop manufactured parts for Ducati. So I'm not sure if this was a Ducati product or a lift that he manufactured in-house. It works great on bikes of all heights. Hope you can find one - good luck
Thanks for the reply. I will keep looking 👍🏻
husky 901. Stock on pirelli, after 7k km a switch to rallz. What a diference in offroad.
Exactly, the Rallz make the offroad riding super enjoyable
Man, the kind of riding your doing, a 690 would be really good.
90% off road an 890 is a strict taskmaster. Ive got one and its a good 50/50 bike ,will always be near 500lbs when ready for a real ride. It works no doubt but doesnt take well to being thrown around like a dirtbike.
I tried a RallZ for maybe 200 miles and its the worst tire Ive ever tried on road,and with a little bit of wear it got Way louder. Most ride an ADV bike on road some. The rallz walked around when slowing, didnt like corners and the howling/vibration changed with every 10mph. Im sure it passed some test to get a DOT rating but I sold it to someone else quickly. A lesson.
Any tire off road, if its spun up on a near 500 lb 100HP bike, will be worn down quick.
I can ruin most any rear tire on my DR650 in 2000 miles, so my 890R could do the same or worse.
I dont spin the tire constantly so as to not be spending 200.00 on a rear tire every 3 or 4 rides.
I hear you on the 690. The lighter bike definitely has its advantages off-road. Do you have a 690? If yes, what are the advantages over the 890 for forest roads & single track? Appreciate you watching.
I can’t believe that’s what the rear Pirelli looked like at 2100 miles. Mine only lasted to about 3000 and at 2100 it was probably too far gone to ride anything seriously off-road. And that was a 50/50 split mileage wise on road and off-road.
I hear you. You were likely riding more aggressively. For the first 1000 miles, I was getting a feel for the bike. However, as mentioned in the video, once a rider becomes accustomed to the power delivery of the bike, your focus changes to tire performance. That's what happened for me. Appreciate your feedback.
As an Aussie I still don't know if they're rallz or rall"z", I just know they're awesome and more or less came to the same conclusion you did on my 1290R, but... I picked up a 2nd wheel set for road riding.
Yeah, I'm still confused on how to pronounce Rallz. No concise answers out there. Back in the summer, I was trying to pick up or have built a second wheel set. Found it almost impossible to find options. KTM may have options available now given the bike has been out for a season. Where did you find your wheels?
Wasn't cheap or quick but through KTM grabbed a 17"-19" 1290S wheel set, takes 10mins to swap depending what riding I wanna do which is cheaper than buying a road bike (purchase justification) haha.
I'll go back to KTM and look. Agree with your purchase justification
Hi...Can you explain what you mean by the Motoz being sticky and that being annoying? Isn't sticky on the Road something you want? After 500 k's and losing this sticky behaviour what did that mean...they slipped? Cheers
Alright, you called me out on this one. It's funny that you picked up on this point. Honestly, the tires were so sticky for the first 200 miles or so, it felt not right. The stickiness actually created an unusual noise. However, after breaking in the tires, the noise went away. As mentioned in the video, the Rallz are terrific off-road. Surprisingly, considering the tread pattern, the Rallz provide a level of confidence on the pavement that I didn't expect. No they don't slip. Cheers-
Sorry, not calling you out, just trying to understand your meaning. I have just put on a front Motoz GPS and with about 200 ks on it, it also has a drumming noise and seems unusually noisy. I am wondering if more K's will quieten it down. Also they seem extremely hard compound so am hoping they hold on well on the road, as they seem so hard. Thanks fro the reply. @@MichauxOutdoors
All good. Yes, after a few hundred miles, my Rallz (front and rear) quieted down substantially. The Rallz do seem to be a harder compound. While I have great traction off-road, they are also wearing much better than the other tires I tried (Scorpion Rally STRs; Anakee Wilds). Good luck
The tread depth would be easier in mm . The Motoz is an Australian tyre . We know how to make off road tyres for Australian conditions.
Yeah, you're right, I should also include or change over to mm - more of a standard. And yes, I agree, you Australians know how to make performance off-road tires. Appreciate you watching
@@MichauxOutdoors No worries 👍
Hi! Have you tried Pirelli Scorpion Rally (NON STR) tires?
Hey, no I haven't tried the non-STR version of the Scorpion Rally. How is it different, and perhaps better suited for off-road?
@@MichauxOutdoors yes, it’s off-road dedicated set of tires and it’s much better in complex terrain rides.
I see what you're saying. The gap between the lugs is much greater compared to the STRs. Thanks for pointing this out
@@MichauxOutdoors it’s my preferred choice of tires so far. I tried it in many situations and I found it very stable and predictable on different surfaces.
Rall ZEEE
Thanks for the reply. Interestingly, the jury is still out. Seems to be a 50/50 split on how it's pronounced.
Where on the mabdar are you located? I'm near the Damascus end...
I'm just south of where segment 6 begins. Lucky be so close. The forest roads in Michaux and Tuscarora State Forests are unbelievable
@MichauxOutdoors that's awesome pal I'm 45-50 minutes from Damascus but I'm also 10 minutes from both a Hatfield Mccoy trailhead as well as a Spearhead trailhead ...if you're ever in southwest Virginia there are a ton of riding opportunities here, get in touch and I'll try to help you out
Really appreciate the response. Years ago, we took the kids to the Hatfield McCoy trails to ride ATVs. Are motorcycles permitted on Hatfield McCoy?
@MichauxOutdoors yes sir, I ride my DR on them pretty often, most of the trails would be perfectly fine to ride an adventure motorcycle on with the proper tires. I run the anakee wilds on my bike and the do great on dry trails but if it rains that hardpack clay and rocks gets like grease you gotta be careful, the main trails are driven so much they look black in the summer time much like a dirt car track gets, and you can't buy traction on it once the top gets wet...I've considered going to something even more aggressive like a motoz desert ht or a kenda trackmaster but I really like that I can throw my bike around on blacktop almost as aggressively as a super moto with the anakee so I might just stick with the devil I know
Thanks for the info. I hear you about the greasy riding surface. Sounds like we may have another riding spot.
yup - the same as buying a bike, pick the one that suits you in the place you desire to be - i ride a 500 as i can endure the suffering on road and enjoy off road at a fast pace and know my bike will always be there for me, doing it vice versa for me makes no sense
Exactly the point. Many people reach out expressing confusion about which tire or which bike. Make a decision based on the terrain you like to ride knowing you'll have to make sacrifices in other conditions.
So you said the Michelin was at 50% tread and it’s at 1000 miles?
Yes, after riding mostly fire roads, some single track, and paved road only to get to the trails (less than 3 miles one way), the rear was down to 50%. Have you had a different experience with the Anakee Wilds?
I tried the RallZ on the AT and only got 3000k’s… Not ideal if you have a big trip planned 5-7k’s
So if you're planning a 5-7K trip, which tire do you recommend?
Rall Zee 🇦🇺
Thanks for helping me out. However, I'm getting a 50/50 response to the pronunciation of Rallz. I thought I'd get a lopsided response, but everyone seems to be as puzzled as I am. Appreciate you chipping in.
It would be rall zed since they pronounce the letter z as zed. I think it’s just rallz like it’s spelled.
Appreciate it
Aussie here. Zee is American, so probably Rallz without the zee. We say zet, so try saying Rallsz
Makes sense, that's the way I'm going. Thanks
Wait until the blocks start tearing off on the rallz…
From your experience, are you suggesting that happens early on?
@@MichauxOutdoors pretty early on happens on the adventures too but not the gps
Rallzed
Just responded to another viewer that I'm getting a 50/50 response on how to pronounce Rallz. However, your pronunciation is a 3rd option that I've also seen from a few other viewers. Not sure how to settle this one. Thanks
It's pronounced Rallzee, like Rally
Reading lots of mixed feedback on how to pronounce Rallz. Appreciate your input
Hay mate it’s Rally Z “ but you Americans say it wrong “ like the way to say DR “ Z” Utube Australian dating Z . We say it correctly 😂😂😂 . It’s like New Zealanders say 6 “ they actually say Sex . All wrong 😂😂😂
I'm learning that we Americans do and say lots of things wrong 😂. Thanks for the insights!
Cant imagine changing tires and evaluating them after ONLY a few hundred to 1000 miles. Not a serious assessment.
Strange comment, easy enough to tell if a tire will work for your riding in the first 10 miles. I'm lucky to get a couple of hundred miles on a rear anyway riding hard, the only tire I've run over 1,000 was a horrible ADV tire with absolutely no discernable lateral grip on gravel from new.
How many miles do you need? Within a hundred miles or less you should have a good sense of how the tire(s) are going to be. If you wait until 2000 mile you may not have any tire left to evaluate.
Great video! As I'm heading out on my first solo adv ride... perfect timing... you deserve more subs and likes! I will be starting my channel soon as a "well seasoned"harley woman going adv.. your intro is awesome too.. cheers Coco
Hey, good luck on your first solo ADV ride! Appreciate you watching
i thought the Anakee winds wore out way to fast for the money they costed , 1 time buy for me... the Motoz Rallzz front i dont like on or off road but the rear i do , the Motoz Dual Venture front i have 500 miles on now and i think i might have found my TKC80 front replacement
Hey thanks for the feedback. Several viewers are suggesting the Dual Venture for the front. Once my Rallz begins to show some wear, I plan to give it a shot. Why do you like the Dual Venture better on the front compared to the Rallz?
so far i do yes , the Rallz never felt planted on the pavement to me so id think itd be great off road but i didnt feel like it was there either , didnt hold well on side hill or pull up out of ruts well , i just never felt like it was planted anywhere to me , not sure how else to word it , the Dual Venture looks and kinda feels more like the TKC80 fronts which were my favorite and go to for years but now no longer made i guess @@MichauxOutdoors
That's helpful. Regarding the TKC80's, I recently purchased a 2024 Husky FE350s which came through stock with the TKC80's front and rear, for what it's worth
yes ive seen that they are still making some sizes but not been able to find TubeLess in the right size for a few years @@MichauxOutdoors