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hi, i see most of the people loving the rear motoz rallz/adventure tire but using another one (as you suggested) for the front. Why is that? thanks a lot!
I'm deep in the process of transitioning from my 18 year old self's boy racer sportbike attitude into something more comfortable in the ADV touring market. Can't tell you enough how helpful your in depth reviews and explanations have been, especially for someone who was not raised around motorcycles or offroading. Keep it up!
Too funny. This is an older video but I saw the thumbnail and came here to say just what you just stated lol. I love the look of knobby tires even if most of my riding is road use.
I am in the exact same situation, you seem to get 70% of what a superduke has from a Ktm 1290 adventure performance wise. But you gain so Much everywhere else you can still rip the 1190r and or 1290r adventures but you can do so much more on them. I will be swapping my 2018 s1000rr for the adv in the next few months.
Just take it easy out there. Off Roading on a massive Adventure Bike is properly hard and very unforgiving. Just because the best riders on the planet are hired to market them doesn't mean they're off road weapons. They're still Travel Bikes, and not really Motocross bikes. Big adventure bikes shouldn't really do much more than travel on gravel roads. Anything else and you can find better options. 😊
I do all kinds of gravel roads, fire roads, and even some single track (provided it's mostly smooth and not too rocky) on a CBR500R with street tires. Sometimes I wonder if we overestimate just how much bike we need, especially looking back in time before adventure bikes or even really dual sports were a thing. People just took their bikes all over.
Except the confidence and speed you can traverse rough roads with is far greater with off-road rubber and suspension. The amount of street bikes washing out on even mild dirt is huge. I want to be able to enjoy riding everywhere without worrying about nursing my bike everywhere except on the black-top.
Haha, you're not wrong, adv bikes are like SUV's, especially the gnarlier ones "oh it's in case I need to go off road" welllll is it? I like advs for the upright riding position, and comfy seat etc....plus our roads are shocking in places 😄
I dunno man. I took my new Triump Tiger 900 with its factory tires down some gravel roads and then it got muddy and the front washed right out and I broke a few ribs. Feels totally different with the Anakees and I’m tackling really gnarled steep inclines heavily rutted and with lots of rocks here in Tennessee. I had some 50/50 tires on order and immediately changed them to 20/80s. Also, streams are crazy difficult without knobbys. I almost got stuck last weekend crossing a stream which had lots of loose rocks the size of marbles. I would have had,to,leave the bike with street tires. No, I think they’re worth it.
Good info again Ian. I almost always bias toward dirt performance. It’s easy enough to dial it back a notch on road, but you can’t simply crank up the performance level of street tires in the dirt on demand. Off topic, i recently added a Merlin Perton jacket to the gear selection & it’s fast become a favourite. They offer great stuff at fair value for the quality it delivers. The fit, functionality & styling are spot on.
Yeah, I agree. I consider the Dunlop D605 as a 50/50 tire by my standards. But I do alot of trails. On my dual sport or enduro bike, I just use an MX 51 motocross tire because the D605 is too "road biased" for hard wet clay trails. As far as cops go? They never pull anyone over for having dirt tires on the road, so I use whatever I want. Life is good.
@@khaccanhle1930 I've been running D606 rear / MT21 front (D606 front to start, but it worn out well before the rear) on my CRF250 Rally and like them a lot. Thinking about trying Michelin Tracker both ends next. BUT .. I also just started doing group rides with people on bigger adventure bikes. KTM 690, BMW GS. They have more road-focussed tyres. Pretty much every ride ends up doing a few km on the sand on a beach somewhere, but they get by. I can keep up on the 250 everywhere where they're not going too much over the speed limit EXCEPT twisty tar seal roads with no traffic. There, my cornering speed is just soooo much lower than the others -- compounded by not much acceleration after the corner. So I'm trying to figure out whether I can dial it back to a 20/80 tyre to get some road cornering performance. But I don't want to end up stuck or crashing when off road, especially when riding alone! Also a lot of the tyres discussed here don't come in a small enough rear size (120-80-18 is the maximum). The D605 is another I've considered but yeah, they look less aggressive for off road than the 20/80 tyres listed here. I ride gravel every time I leave the house, but inevitably most of the actual miles are on tar. I don't need 10,000+ miles on a tyre. I'm happy with the 5k the D606 rear has gone so far. It's pretty worn but still has as much tread depth as those 80/20 tyres start with, and still has widely-spaced blocks that work pretty well. It stopped singing too, which is nice. Only got 3k miles from the front D606, don't know yet for MT21 (only 2k miles so far, looks like new). 2k on a tyre would not be acceptable. Trackers apparently wear acceptably well, but they also look noisier and worse for on-road cornering than the D606/MT21 combo.
You’re like 99% of people but actually honest I remember talking with someone from Continental years ago and they said the aesthetics of the tire has an extraordinary impact on buying decision. I forget the number but it was quite surprising. Makes sense. When I replaced the Metzler M7rrs on my bike I can’t say I was disappointed to lose that weird looking (in my eyes) tread pattern.
The best motorcycle tire IMO has tall knobs. Not so much for the dirt traction, but because in my region small chipped rock is used on the paved roads for winter traction. The little bastards are so sharp that tire punctures are common, even on brand new tires. Taller knobs keep the carcass off the asphalt and prevent the punctures.
Ian, nice shout out to Kyle Bradshaw, for his extensive tire testing. Ironically I'm torn between your top 3, in the 50/50 category. I'm leaning towards the Trailmax, as most of my riding is on the road . I don't foresee taking my DL1000 into the mud or sand. If I owned a Norden 901, that would be another story. Keep up the good work. I always enjoy your videos!
great video! Us newer adventure bike riders owe a debt to content creators like yourself and Kyle Bradshaw, so much great information available. I personally bought an extra set of rims and run the Motoz on one set, and a set of the trailmax missions on the other. I use either or depending on the type of trip. But I will always prioritize offroad performance and am willing to sacrifice onroad performance and wear to have the performance offroad, especially when travelling solo. Thanks for a great video!
The top two tire issues in my ADV experience are left unmentioned: puncture resistance, and roadside repairability. Tire punctures, especially with tubes, are an intimidating and problematic issue for rural and backcountry riders, especially for solo riders. Since so many quality tires are stiff tubeless, experience with those considered "the best" has made me care most about whether I can fix a (tubed) flat far from help. Learning which can be fixed is a painful process.
An excellent point. Thinking about mounting the highly recommended Dunlop Trailmax Missions on my little Royal Enfield Himalayan which I ride alone in the huge National Forrest located just 25 minutes from my home, here in Cheyenne, Wyoming. Seeing how difficult they were to mount (by seasoned pros, with a machine, IN THE SHOP!) makes this 65 year old questions being able to repair a tube flat in the LONELY, often zero cell phone service service areas, that I often ride in.
They are easier to put on and off if they take a tube. Tubeless tires are more difficult to change but you can plug them. Tube tires are guaranteed to air up because they have a tube in them you don't have to set the bead which is almost impossible on the side of the road with a tubeless tire if you break a bead
@@chuckwilliams6294 if it makes you feel any more assured, I did over 700km on an airless rear trailmax mission(the valve was sheared from the tube), without even noticing it. Unsure if the front has the same capabilities, but they have reduced my concerns about a flat tire significantly. Note that I do fit a slightly larger rear than what my rim is designed to, as thats the only size thats been available to me. 10/10 can recommend.
Thank you, good information. I am going to try to find a 50/50 tires for my 2023 Honda CRF 150 L. I am retired, almost 70, and now live in the Philippines where the roads are very hot. I ride mostly on pavement, winding mountain roads. I wore out the new knobby tires in about 4,000 miles. I do most of my riding on pavement, almost no off road riding now.
Great video! took my old cb300f with straight-up street tires on wayy more gravel, dirt, and even hills than a sane person would. As long as there wasn’t too much mud or large rocks, it was a blast.
yo Jack T. Straight up stock tires on my 1974 Kawasaki Z1 903, lol, woulda thunk it was an adventure as you're saying. Gravel roads even inside banked dirt if stayed on it accepting the centrifugal needed for a tight curve say 30° dip off of the road. lol, the guy that did a decent job rebuilding after I sent a valve half through a piston bent the footy pegs jumping it. :-l Nice looking bike JT. One of my best times on a bike was when a pal wanted borrow my car. In the day's trade was his father's newish 1972 CL350 Scrambler when 17 on a 125CC license. blah blah..I switched tag plate, added some mud the the B plate and was good to go for a day. (-: Old 350 was fun stuff in the day vs 125. ho hum, sorry of my memory drift.
I ride on the street 99% of the time. The 1% is a gravel driveway. An Adventure motorcycle is just something I can drop without freaking out while practicing slow-speed maneuvers. 100 % Street tires for me. Michelin Road 6 tires here I come!
I went with the Dunlop Trailmax Mission tires based on reviews and research. With almost 4,000 miles on the Trailmax Mission tires they are showing almost ZERO wear. That speaks loud enough in my book that I made a good decision to go with these Dunlop's instead of the more aggressive tires out there. There are some choices, according to reviews, that at 4,000 miles I would be scrambling to purchase replacements already. I'll be not doing that anytime soon. The Trailmax Mission tires are great on roads and are quiet.
Another great video Ian. A couple comments on wear rate, how aggressive a ride is makes a huge difference as does the type of paved surface. Some "chip seal" type pavements can eat up tires really fast. Guys who like to ride very enthusiastically also tend to wear out tires faster. The last is when do you consider the tire worn out? This is a large variable as some will go down to the threads and others well above the wear bars. So I've personally found this "factor" a pretty large variable when reading feedback from others. Good on you to mention Kyle's tire reviews, he really does put in a lot of effort and time and is unbiased about the results. I ended up choosing the Trailmax Mission tires for 2 of my bikes based on his reviews and further feedback after posing questions to him online. I have been extremely pleased with the Trailmax Missions for the intended purposes. I need to swap my Rallz front for a Dual Venture to see if it fixes the massive wobble problem.
Nice video as always Ian! My approach to tires is quite simple. I want them to work when I need them the most, so I put on as knobby and gnarly of a tire that I can, even on my ADV bikes that see 90% tarmac, because I so often find myself on a trail by myself. When I ride tarmac I just ride at 90kph instead of pushing it at 130-140, arriving exhausted and not been able to enjoy the scenery while I rode.
Agreed...I think about it this way: when I’m off road, I’m 100% off road. I don’t like the noise of my AX41s on the road but they help my Tiger 800 (me) survive in the rougher stuff. Amazingly decent street performance and good off road with the downsides of dreadful wear and front tire noise. Not a Goldilocks tire. Might try Trailmax Mission and avoid the muck off road.
When I had my drz400s (I commute to work all year, had fun in the desert when I could and went on camping trips) the first set I put on were the motoz tractionator desert ht (rear) it for front. Fantastic off road tire, on dry street no issues, wet street...well...lol very loud on the street and not fun on rain grooves... after that I put on motoz mountain hybrid, still performed very well off road but better manners on the street.
@@SamiNami Absolutely, so ride according to the situation (like always). I just take it slow on tarmac in general 🙂 Smell the roses and enjoy the scenery on my way to the trails.
Thanks for your video. It is very interesting to watch other experiences with big trails bikes. I’m more than pleased running for my second set of TKC-70/Rocks on my 2019 KTM 1290 SA-R. The bike, when new, arrived with Pirelli Scorpion Trail II. Although these tires had an outstanding grip on tarmac, easy handle and low noise, were useless offroad, and were also defective. After lots of research, I find out they were responsible for an intense handlebar vibration between 50 to 80 km/h, so I changed them with 1500 km. Since then I have used the TKC 70 Rocks just everywhere: Dry and wet pavement / tarmac, small and compact or loose and bigger gravel, sand, mild mud, etc., not only alone, but also with wife and luggage, holding speed about 140 - 150 km/h on the highway. My only concern was that the rear tire pressure (on hot days with load) went up from 42 psi (manufacturer manual cold) till 60 psi. Anyway nothing happened, so it should be normal, as we were about 30% under the maximum allowed weight. Although this is my third KTM in the last 15 years (690->990->1290), it is my first time using these Continental TKC 70 Rocks. I consider these tires as really multipurpose and with a very satisfactory average behavior in multiple conditions. I estimate that the actual set (with some luck) will last 14,000 km (8,600 mi), period in which they have been quite punished. As a comparison, I never managed to get more than 6.000 km (3.500 mi) from the TKC 80. At last, I did not know that you had a comercial relation with Revzilla, where I have been a happy customer for about ten years now, and where I bought my new TKC 70 rocks a few weeks ago. Next time I will check your channel first.
Howdy! Do you have any updates on the TKC70-rocks? How many km's did you get out of them? I'm running them too, and I find them to be a very good, all-round tyre. The rear is certainly better off road than the standard version.
Most reviewers focus only on the terrain to be ridden on and not enough on the rider. I know riders who are very aggressive off-road, but fairly timid on the pavement. Similarly, I know riders who are quite aggressive on the street, but downright timid in the dirt. Even if the first rider spends 50% of his miles on dirt and 50% on pavement, he is likely better served with a knobby tire as he will utilize a greater percentage of the tires off-road capability. Similarly, the second rider may ride 50/50 dirt vs street, but would be better served with street oriented tire as he will more fully utilize the street performance and the poor off-road performance may still be enough for his capability off-road. So, I say look at both the proportion of miles or hours ridden AND the riding style to make the best tire choice. Don’t just look at the mix of on and off-road miles or time.
I bought a 14’ Vstrom 1000 that came with Dunlop TrailSmart tires. They handle very well on pavement, even when wet. Off road, not so much. Even on good hard pack gravel roads, they are not very confident inspiring. Living in Northern Michigan, I’m looking for that elusive 70/30 or 60/40 tire. Always appreciate the real world reviews!! Thank you Ian!!
My V85 TT is currently running the Anakee. After my trip this coming August to Western Mt I am looking at the Trailmax Mission. Not that I plan a lot of off pavement rides, but, living in South Dakota 80% of our roads are not paved. Not to count all the forest service roads here in the Black Hills.
I've had real good luck with Shinko 700's on my '18 KLR. They are glass smooth and quiet at 75, and do an admirable job on gravel and dirt roads. Plus, they are cheap (as in price, not quality) 😃. Wouldn't put them on anything with power, though. But they seem to be well suited to the KLR, DR-650, XR, etc.
I can't wait to try Dunlop TrailMax Missions after running Continental TwinDuro's. I like the Continentals, but they're a little too aggressive for my mainly pavement riding. I've read nothing but good things about the Dunlops as they appear to have found a nice balance-which is what adventure riding is all about.
It may sound funky, But I put a set of Shinko 705's on my 890R, great on street and hard packed dirt, and passable on loose gravel.........gravel is sometimes a trick unless a lot of hours have been done on it.
Good job. 👍 Ive been through a few different brands over the years with my super tenere. Ive had the best compromise tire for everything to be Dunlop Trailmax Missions. Theyve handled everything from commute and interstate touring to Jeep trail. The Pirelli Scorpions were great off road, but squirrely on the street.
You can ride a knobby tire on the street without much drawback because there’s still plenty of grip on asphalt. But taking a street oriented tire off-road is a nightmare.
I just changed my Anakee adventures (after 9000 miles) that my 2019 GS came with to TKC 70s and they are an absolute blast love how the humm on the pavement but on the dirt like maintained fire roads or national parks they have crazy grip. Actually they have so much grip now that I lifted the front wheel on a 2nd to 3rd gear hard acceleration 😳😳
Your comment about squirminess is accurate on the Motoz Tractionator... new at 75mph, it started to squirm... after about 3,000 miles wear... it now squirms at about 84mph.
Well made vid. I have the Trailmax Missions on my Africa Twin and they are fantastic. I live in western Colorado and ride a lot on backroads and the only time they lose stability is in very deep gravel, but it Is minimal and predictable. But every where else they work exceptionally well. On tarmac they feel like a dedicated sport tire and grip like crazy and handle tar snakes very good as well. They are highly recommended!!
I raced crotch rockets for year's and on my klr 650 and my tiger I run full knobby and can still leave my buddy's on the road in the dust! They say I'm crazy! Maybe but living in the north woods I like having control in the mud and sand. I had trail masters on the klr and they sucked in the mud.
I am looking forward to seeing your review of the F 850 GSA. I own one and absolutely love it. It hits the sweet spot for me between on road comfort and off road fun.
I actually found a 901 at my local dealership, but they only wanted to allow $4500 on trade and I wasn’t gonna do that. Kelly blue book values the XCA at $9500 and $6500 for trade value! No way I felt like that was fair!
Sone people love the Anakee, while many don’t. When I was looking for a street tire for my T7, I watched lots of videos that tested the tires in the rain. The British are great at that since they get lots of rain. The Anakees seem to be lousy in the rain. Hence it’s nick name the “Panikee.” The Trail Max Mission don’t look like a 50/50. But I didn’t go for those because they are the heaviest 50/50’ around. Which puts more stress on the drive train and brakes. More emerita to get going and more momentum to slow down. Not the mention the extra unsprung weight. Since I ride rain or shine, and after looking a every video I could find on tire performance in the rain, and due to availability, I went with the Avon Trailrider. May be next I’ll try the just released Merzeler Tourance Next 2. Gotta wait for the reviews to start coming in. Oh and how about the TKC70 and TKC70 Rocks. Have you tried them? They look pretty good!
I ride a 2020 Tiger Rally Pro. It came with Pirelli tires (80/20) and they were fine for hard packed gravel roads. I wanted something more aggressive and provide more confidence on gravel and soft road surfaces. I went with the Dunlap Trailmax Mission and I absolutely love these tires. I ride on average 80/20 but these Dunlaps do as well as the 80/20 Pirelli tires on the street but WAY better on soft surfaces. As a bonus, I now have 6,000 miles on the Dunlap Missions and they are still in very good condition. I expect to get 10,000 on these tires and will buy them again when needed. I know there are many options out there but when you find something as good as the Missions, plus longevity, why would I buy anything else? Lastly a big shout out to Ian for his well produced videos.
The link to the Mitas E-07 is actually pointing to the Mitas E-07+. Two different tires. Have you tried them both? I run the E07+ on my 1200GS, and they work great. I believe the E-07 are slightly more dirt-oriented.
There is a good argument to be made for putting 80/20 tires on a commuter bike that you never intentionally will go off-road on anyway. Heavy rain, runoff, snow, flooded roads, accidentally going up a long gravel driveway. Hell some roads are just torn to pieces. You're not going to be street racing anyway.
Where I ride in eastern Australia one of the problems with 80/20 tyres is that they are far more susceptible to punctures than something more off road oriented.
Bought MotoZ Tractionator Adventures for this coming season. I figure I can tolerate the road noise and on-road handling compromise for offroad advantages. We'll see how it goes.
Ha he got the bumble bee F850GSA to test! I loved that color so much it helped seal the deal on my 850. Little teaser at the end there for the review. I do notice that it had TKC80s on it. I find it interesting that those tires weren't offered as stock but all the bikes at the BMW performance center were wearing them and Ian's loaner is also. I have a set of TKC80's that I'm going to squeeze on after I finish burning up my Karoo 3's, hopefully they'll do a better job of keeping the rear wheel under the bike on wet clay.
Good overview, but....For those of us running tubes in adv tires, it would be very helpful to comment on how stiff the sidewalls are as in which ones will be a major PIA to service roadside w/ small hand tools 100 mi from the nearest shop. None of you tire review guys seem to factor that in, which I assume is because you only use a tire mount station to install your tires.
For those who are considering a big open knobby tire for their ADV bike, maybe you should be looking into a different bike category than a tire. ADV’s are no more than a road bike with off-road capabilities. Changing the tires is not going to make it a dirt bike. I run a 50/50 on my KTM which I find to be a good combination compared to the 80/20 TKC 70 that came with it. I found that big solid rubber strip down the middle of the rear to be no more of a off road tire than an actual street tire. As for the front, now that had some off road characteristics. The Trailmax missions offer some good off road bite without compromising any loss on the pavement. A little bit of hum ( you really have to listen for it ) and once in awhile from a stop to a high torque take off in a turn I’ll feel a lug separation, but on a curvy blacktop I feel no difference from the TKC 70. With no personal data but looks like a good candidate would be the TKC 70 Rocks. Problem is it’s only offered in the rear and not in the front. Maybe run a Trailmax mission up front. Not only do both set up’s have good road and off road capabilities, they are both high mileage tires. I personally don’t have the time and money to be changing tires out every 2,000 miles on a knobby. Nor do I want my heart skipping a beat at 70 mph on a 40 mph curve. I’m out there to enjoy my ride, not fighting it because I have the wrong bike for the wrong Terrain.
Good overview! I have a Pirelli Scorpion Rally STR on my NC750x (an adventure bike? :-) and they work well all around for road and light off-road. Good cornering traction doing gymkhana as well and in rain.
DAMN… I literally bought my first pair of adv tires for my almost brand new 2016 KLR 650 with only 1,100 miles. I bought them off Revzilla, my go to. This morning your vid popped up in my algorithm 😢 Great vid though for newbies like me on ADV’s!
Thanks! I have a perhaps strange question (being new to riding). What will be easiest/best on gravel/mud/snow: a) a street bike (e.g. SV650 or MT-07) with about 5" of suspension travel fitted with 20/80 tires (your third category), or b) a same weight adventure bike (e.g. a Himalayan 450 or a CFMoto 450MT) with about 7-8" of suspension travel, but fitted with 50/50 tires. Your perspective would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Just did the Idaho BDR on my 2021AT AS. Ran Trailmax missions and they disappointed me greatly. Never had my front tire slide out so unexpectedly so often as with these tires. Will take them off as soon as I can.
I'm looking for an 80/80 tire. 80% perfect on wet, curvy, 80mph pavement, and 80% perfect in gravel, lose dirt, rocks, and sandy dirt, all with very high mileage.
Agreed. Also, putting Pirelli Scorpior Rally STR at the same level as Michelin Annakee Adventure is a mistake IMHO. Piresslis have more agressive tread.
@@pont0n The Bridgestone AX41 is a very good enduro tire but lasts a little. Heidenau K60 Ranger have a nice profile, but soft compound like AX41. I'm talking about tire for big enduro bikes 220kg +
@@pont0n yes the Pirelli has more aggressive thread than Anakee Adventure and are more capable off road. I had 3 sets. Great tire. Trying the Anakee Adventure now
12,000 miles on a set of Dunlap TMM on my R1200GS, and they still have a few thousand miles left. But I don't think they are a 50/50 tire out here on the east coast. But if you wanted a 70/30 tire that will last from Florida to Alaska and back without changing, it'd be perfect. I've got a Motoz Tractionator Adventure rear and Dual Venture front sitting in the garage waiting to go on next.
I’m in PA and have been looking for a good 50/50 tire for my 1200GS for when my Shinko 705 wears out. I know it’s a pretty tough ask, but have you tried a 50/50 tire yet that isn’t scary in light mud? All of the tire reviews I see on UA-cam are in dry, desert like conditions. Not exactly applicable to the area I live. I ride quite a bit of pavement, so I’m not looking to get more aggressive than a 50/50, unless I can get something so cheap that I don’t mind not getting 5k miles out of a rear.
@@mmaaddict78 the mud was the downfall of the TMM. I’m a novice rider, and they didn’t work for me. I’ve also had the TKC 70. It was worse. I’m hoping to get 8,000 miles out of the Motoz, but we’ll see. That’s all I’ve tried.
@@BoilerRealm I might end up going with something fairly aggressive on the front like the Dual Venture and something 50/50 on the rear like the GPS. I don’t mind the ass end sliding around in mud, it’s the front end washouts that are the scary part lol
Brrrr. Bei so einem Wetter kriegt man mich ja kaum aus dem Bett geschweige aufs Bike. Schön, dass du in Wien bist. Ich hoffe, du genießt meine Heimatstadt und wirst verwöhnt. Tipp: Torten bei Aida oder Landtmann oder - eigentlich gibt es eh überall Torten.
Thanks for giving Kyle Props, I jus watched his video before this one. Both really well done, i have much respect for people trying to help others with data. Keep that rubber down, and throttle up. ZbigZ
As always Ian a great video with very useful information but do you ever smile or have facial expressions as you could pass for R2D2 haha. I was thinking that once you got the Norden you would "loosen up" :)
I have the anakee adventure on a Kawasaki kle500 with 45hp at 195kg and they are great! Amazing on pavement,great on dirt roads but not as good in mud(even light situations) and loose rocky terrain!!! And as of longevity mine didn't really last. At 8.500km the rear is at the point where the indicators are even with the nobs....and by the way I'm looking to get the trailmax mission although I haven't seen them advertised as 50/50 but as 70/30 but still more off road than the anakee
If I put a Motoz GPS on rear, and a Motoz ADV on front, can I get smoot 80mph and grip in wet, curvy pavement, and still get good grip in hard packed offroad, gravel, dirt and light rocks?
The adv probably won't be that smooth on the front. And the GPS may not grip that well in the wet it does good mileage more than wet grip. Its good in the wet but if pushed it can go.
Don't forget to comment on the noise level generated from each tire. I have stock Bridgestone A41 tires on my bike and the front drives me nuts with the noise it makes. It's not always related to the aggressiveness of the tread either. The A41 is like 90/10 road biased.
My favorite is Anakee Wilds still. They’re radial, conform well without risking the rim by airing down. Still stick well on pavement, even when wet. I wish they lasted longer. Running Anakee Adventure now for the commuting. Seem great. Not as good in the dirt but better on the road, last longer. I ran Pirelli Scorpion 11s for a season. Awesome on the road. Dual compound like the Anakee Adventure. Love radials regardless.
Do you think there are real advantages to go for the 80/20 tires in comparison to 100% on road tires linke a Michelin Road 6? I mean, neither of them are meant to perform well on mud and sand, so for dry offroad and a bit of gravel, couldnt an onroad tire perform as well as an 80/20 one? Are the onroad tires just weaker to impacts?
Thanks for yet another great video!!! I just ordered my Rallz rear through your link, I’m sure glad I could get ahold of one since the 130/80-17 has been tough to find. Keep up the amazing work!
Great roundup. I am running Mitas 07 on my 390, with a set of Dunlops going on to try out. I am skeptical that they are going to be good in anything loose or wet offroad. But friends swear by them. - Frank
I like the RallZ on the rear and TKC 80 on front combo. I get 5000 miles out of the rear and about 4000 out of the front with 50/50 riding, aggressive on pavement, ‘17 Africa Twin. Tractionator is real noisy for first 2k Mike’s but worth it! Do want to try the Mission Max
I like D605 tires for both road and trail. Anything more road focused just doesn't work for the clay trails I ride. Glogged treads act like racing slicks.
This was a great episode. Thank you for that. I would consider also, for the longevity the region one is in. I may be wrong in the USA but please enlighten me. I am Swedish but now in North Carolina. So, in Sweden and Scandinavia we have another mix of tires than if we would buy the same tire in Greece or Italy. Ours is softer to handle both our summers and winters. If you run our tires for a longer period in the summer in Greece it will wear out prematurely, and if you buy tires in Greece and take your car to Sweden and run on those in the winter they will be rock hard like hard plastic. Is it the same in USA that tires from lets say Wisconsin or Minnesota market is softer than tires for the market in Georgia or Florida?
ok, have a silly question but here it goes. I have a ktm 890R "Duke" and love riding into baja. i'm fitting a surf rack on it and looking at a good dual sport tire that does well in loose sand more than hard pack. Any comment's welcome.
My supermoto is limited to the 90/10 and 80/20 tires as the 50/50 tires aren't made in its tire sizes. Shame as I really like what Dunlop did with the trailmax tires. Just as well I suppose as I mostly do street and just light hardpacked offroad in dry conditions. Good stuff. Also seen Kyle's videos too, really great info in them, highly recommended.
Just looking at the profile and tread pattern of the Dunlops, I can't believe they're considered 50/50 in terms of performance. I even saw someone in the Tenere forums call it a 70/50 tire, which sounds like malarkey to me....But I drank the kool-aid because I've already got a pair in my garage waiting to getting spooned onto my wheels haha.
Im not entirely sure why 80/20 tires are so popular. They usually are considerably worse than street tires, yet they barely make any diffrence off-road Fire roads and dry not too rocky stuff is prbly gonna be okay on street rubber
One thing I would warn about. And I saw this in an accident with a car and an ADV bike in town recently. The guy had full kobbies on what looked to be an Africa twin. Hard to tell what the bike was actually. He had full-blown knobbies on the bike. And on a hard surface you're just not going to stop well... you're going to squirm all over the place in a hard turn.... to avoid a wreck. Well technically the wreck was not his fault. BUT The tires he had on would have severely limited his ability to mitigate.
I tried motoz rallz on my 1250GSA. Wasn't very impressed. Only lasted about 3,000kms and very loud and squirmy on the road. As an Aussie I wanted to like them but I'll try something else now.
Hey great up the great video’s ! Got a question for you , I have tiger 850sport on 19” Front alloy wheels . Is it good enough for some gravel roads/forest road , fire road ? Are the alloy rim tough enough . My budget could not stretch for the rally pro. Let me from your vaste experience!
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hi, i see most of the people loving the rear motoz rallz/adventure tire but using another one (as you suggested) for the front. Why is that? thanks a lot!
You showed only 2 types of tires
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I'm deep in the process of transitioning from my 18 year old self's boy racer sportbike attitude into something more comfortable in the ADV touring market. Can't tell you enough how helpful your in depth reviews and explanations have been, especially for someone who was not raised around motorcycles or offroading. Keep it up!
Too funny. This is an older video but I saw the thumbnail and came here to say just what you just stated lol. I love the look of knobby tires even if most of my riding is road use.
I am in the exact same situation, you seem to get 70% of what a superduke has from a Ktm 1290 adventure performance wise.
But you gain so Much everywhere else you can still rip the 1190r and or 1290r adventures but you can do so much more on them.
I will be swapping my 2018 s1000rr for the adv in the next few months.
Just take it easy out there. Off Roading on a massive Adventure Bike is properly hard and very unforgiving. Just because the best riders on the planet are hired to market them doesn't mean they're off road weapons. They're still Travel Bikes, and not really Motocross bikes. Big adventure bikes shouldn't really do much more than travel on gravel roads. Anything else and you can find better options. 😊
I do all kinds of gravel roads, fire roads, and even some single track (provided it's mostly smooth and not too rocky) on a CBR500R with street tires. Sometimes I wonder if we overestimate just how much bike we need, especially looking back in time before adventure bikes or even really dual sports were a thing. People just took their bikes all over.
Yeah… But knobbys look cool! 😂
Except the confidence and speed you can traverse rough roads with is far greater with off-road rubber and suspension. The amount of street bikes washing out on even mild dirt is huge. I want to be able to enjoy riding everywhere without worrying about nursing my bike everywhere except on the black-top.
Haha, you're not wrong, adv bikes are like SUV's, especially the gnarlier ones "oh it's in case I need to go off road" welllll is it? I like advs for the upright riding position, and comfy seat etc....plus our roads are shocking in places 😄
Its whats on trend and its all about convincing us we need this and that. Marketing.
I dunno man. I took my new Triump Tiger 900 with its factory tires down some gravel roads and then it got muddy and the front washed right out and I broke a few ribs. Feels totally different with the Anakees and I’m tackling really gnarled steep inclines heavily rutted and with lots of rocks here in Tennessee. I had some 50/50 tires on order and immediately changed them to 20/80s. Also, streams are crazy difficult without knobbys. I almost got stuck last weekend crossing a stream which had lots of loose rocks the size of marbles. I would have had,to,leave the bike with street tires. No, I think they’re worth it.
Good info again Ian. I almost always bias toward dirt performance. It’s easy enough to dial it back a notch on road, but you can’t simply crank up the performance level of street tires in the dirt on demand. Off topic, i recently added a Merlin Perton jacket to the gear selection & it’s fast become a favourite. They offer great stuff at fair value for the quality it delivers. The fit, functionality & styling are spot on.
Yeah, I agree. I consider the Dunlop D605 as a 50/50 tire by my standards. But I do alot of trails. On my dual sport or enduro bike, I just use an MX 51 motocross tire because the D605 is too "road biased" for hard wet clay trails.
As far as cops go? They never pull anyone over for having dirt tires on the road, so I use whatever I want. Life is good.
@@khaccanhle1930 I've been running D606 rear / MT21 front (D606 front to start, but it worn out well before the rear) on my CRF250 Rally and like them a lot. Thinking about trying Michelin Tracker both ends next. BUT .. I also just started doing group rides with people on bigger adventure bikes. KTM 690, BMW GS. They have more road-focussed tyres. Pretty much every ride ends up doing a few km on the sand on a beach somewhere, but they get by. I can keep up on the 250 everywhere where they're not going too much over the speed limit EXCEPT twisty tar seal roads with no traffic. There, my cornering speed is just soooo much lower than the others -- compounded by not much acceleration after the corner. So I'm trying to figure out whether I can dial it back to a 20/80 tyre to get some road cornering performance. But I don't want to end up stuck or crashing when off road, especially when riding alone! Also a lot of the tyres discussed here don't come in a small enough rear size (120-80-18 is the maximum). The D605 is another I've considered but yeah, they look less aggressive for off road than the 20/80 tyres listed here. I ride gravel every time I leave the house, but inevitably most of the actual miles are on tar. I don't need 10,000+ miles on a tyre. I'm happy with the 5k the D606 rear has gone so far. It's pretty worn but still has as much tread depth as those 80/20 tyres start with, and still has widely-spaced blocks that work pretty well. It stopped singing too, which is nice. Only got 3k miles from the front D606, don't know yet for MT21 (only 2k miles so far, looks like new). 2k on a tyre would not be acceptable. Trackers apparently wear acceptably well, but they also look noisier and worse for on-road cornering than the D606/MT21 combo.
My experience is that I reach the tyres limits off road all the time but rarely when on road so think it best to bias more towards off road
Problem is I just want knobbly tyres because they look cool. 😎
Lol
Me too😂
then get used cheap garbage since you all with destroy them on the street
You’re like 99% of people but actually honest I remember talking with someone from Continental years ago and they said the aesthetics of the tire has an extraordinary impact on buying decision. I forget the number but it was quite surprising. Makes sense. When I replaced the Metzler M7rrs on my bike I can’t say I was disappointed to lose that weird looking (in my eyes) tread pattern.
@@David.. the tread pattern looks like a treasure map drawn by a child.
My favourite combination is a front knobby pattern ( 20/80) Pirelli Scorpion Rally and a 50/50 rear ( Motoz GPS or Mitas E07)
The best motorcycle tire IMO has tall knobs. Not so much for the dirt traction, but because in my region small chipped rock is used on the paved roads for winter traction. The little bastards are so sharp that tire punctures are common, even on brand new tires. Taller knobs keep the carcass off the asphalt and prevent the punctures.
Also tires with narrow sipes trap these small sharp stones and chippings and cause punctures, ask me how I know.
Ian, nice shout out to Kyle Bradshaw, for his extensive tire testing. Ironically I'm torn between your top 3, in the 50/50 category. I'm leaning towards the Trailmax, as most of my riding is on the road . I don't foresee taking my DL1000 into the mud or sand. If I owned a Norden 901, that would be another story. Keep up the good work. I always enjoy your videos!
Thanks for the shout-out Ian! I’ll see you at the GetOnADV event. Let’s get at least one ride in together there!
great video! Us newer adventure bike riders owe a debt to content creators like yourself and Kyle Bradshaw, so much great information available. I personally bought an extra set of rims and run the Motoz on one set, and a set of the trailmax missions on the other. I use either or depending on the type of trip. But I will always prioritize offroad performance and am willing to sacrifice onroad performance and wear to have the performance offroad, especially when travelling solo. Thanks for a great video!
The top two tire issues in my ADV experience are left unmentioned: puncture resistance, and roadside repairability. Tire punctures, especially with tubes, are an intimidating and problematic issue for rural and backcountry riders, especially for solo riders. Since so many quality tires are stiff tubeless, experience with those considered "the best" has made me care most about whether I can fix a (tubed) flat far from help. Learning which can be fixed is a painful process.
An excellent point. Thinking about mounting the highly recommended Dunlop Trailmax Missions on my little Royal Enfield Himalayan which I ride alone in the huge National Forrest located just 25 minutes from my home, here in Cheyenne, Wyoming. Seeing how difficult they were to mount (by seasoned pros, with a machine, IN THE SHOP!) makes this 65 year old questions being able to repair a tube flat in the LONELY, often zero cell phone service service areas, that I often ride in.
They are easier to put on and off if they take a tube. Tubeless tires are more difficult to change but you can plug them. Tube tires are guaranteed to air up because they have a tube in them you don't have to set the bead which is almost impossible on the side of the road with a tubeless tire if you break a bead
@@chuckwilliams6294 if it makes you feel any more assured, I did over 700km on an airless rear trailmax mission(the valve was sheared from the tube), without even noticing it. Unsure if the front has the same capabilities, but they have reduced my concerns about a flat tire significantly. Note that I do fit a slightly larger rear than what my rim is designed to, as thats the only size thats been available to me. 10/10 can recommend.
Thank you, good information. I am going to try to find a 50/50 tires for my 2023 Honda CRF 150 L. I am retired, almost 70, and now live in the Philippines where the roads are very hot. I ride mostly on pavement, winding mountain roads. I wore out the new knobby tires in about 4,000 miles. I do most of my riding on pavement, almost no off road riding now.
Great video! took my old cb300f with straight-up street tires on wayy more gravel, dirt, and even hills than a sane person would. As long as there wasn’t too much mud or large rocks, it was a blast.
yo Jack T. Straight up stock tires on my 1974 Kawasaki Z1 903, lol, woulda thunk it was an adventure as you're saying. Gravel roads even inside banked dirt if stayed on it accepting the centrifugal needed for a tight curve say 30° dip off of the road. lol, the guy that did a decent job rebuilding after I sent a valve half through a piston bent the footy pegs jumping it. :-l
Nice looking bike JT. One of my best times on a bike was when a pal wanted borrow my car. In the day's trade was his father's newish 1972 CL350 Scrambler when 17 on a 125CC license.
blah blah..I switched tag plate, added some mud the the B plate and was good to go for a day. (-:
Old 350 was fun stuff in the day vs 125.
ho hum, sorry of my memory drift.
@@brianbartulis9709 hey, nothing better than reliving the good times, unless it happens to be making new ones. 🙂
Defo works, but since my xtz660s tyres are soon to need changing il get nobbya for more serious offroading
I have the Anakee Adventure tyres on my XT1200 Super Tenere, and I am very happy with them.
I ride on the street 99% of the time. The 1% is a gravel driveway. An Adventure motorcycle is just something I can drop without freaking out while practicing slow-speed maneuvers. 100 % Street tires for me. Michelin Road 6 tires here I come!
Didn't know they came out with the 6. The 5 was an absolutely great tire, I had a set on my GSXS750. And was not riding slowly or prudently :D
Metzler Roadtec 01's for me!
I went with the Dunlop Trailmax Mission tires based on reviews and research. With almost 4,000 miles on the Trailmax Mission tires they are showing almost ZERO wear. That speaks loud enough in my book that I made a good decision to go with these Dunlop's instead of the more aggressive tires out there. There are some choices, according to reviews, that at 4,000 miles I would be scrambling to purchase replacements already. I'll be not doing that anytime soon. The Trailmax Mission tires are great on roads and are quiet.
Been using nothing but Motoz since 2020 and have no complaints. They get stupid good life too.
Another great video Ian. A couple comments on wear rate, how aggressive a ride is makes a huge difference as does the type of paved surface. Some "chip seal" type pavements can eat up tires really fast. Guys who like to ride very enthusiastically also tend to wear out tires faster. The last is when do you consider the tire worn out? This is a large variable as some will go down to the threads and others well above the wear bars. So I've personally found this "factor" a pretty large variable when reading feedback from others.
Good on you to mention Kyle's tire reviews, he really does put in a lot of effort and time and is unbiased about the results. I ended up choosing the Trailmax Mission tires for 2 of my bikes based on his reviews and further feedback after posing questions to him online. I have been extremely pleased with the Trailmax Missions for the intended purposes. I need to swap my Rallz front for a Dual Venture to see if it fixes the massive wobble problem.
Nice video as always Ian!
My approach to tires is quite simple. I want them to work when I need them the most, so I put on as knobby and gnarly of a tire that I can, even on my ADV bikes that see 90% tarmac, because I so often find myself on a trail by myself. When I ride tarmac I just ride at 90kph instead of pushing it at 130-140, arriving exhausted and not been able to enjoy the scenery while I rode.
Agreed...I think about it this way: when I’m off road, I’m 100% off road. I don’t like the noise of my AX41s on the road but they help my Tiger 800 (me) survive in the rougher stuff. Amazingly decent street performance and good off road with the downsides of dreadful wear and front tire noise. Not a Goldilocks tire. Might try Trailmax Mission and avoid the muck off road.
When I had my drz400s (I commute to work all year, had fun in the desert when I could and went on camping trips) the first set I put on were the motoz tractionator desert ht (rear) it for front. Fantastic off road tire, on dry street no issues, wet street...well...lol very loud on the street and not fun on rain grooves... after that I put on motoz mountain hybrid, still performed very well off road but better manners on the street.
Yep. Same here.
But offroad tires are less safe on slippery tarmac?
@@SamiNami Absolutely, so ride according to the situation (like always). I just take it slow on tarmac in general 🙂 Smell the roses and enjoy the scenery on my way to the trails.
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Thanks for your video. It is very interesting to watch other experiences with big trails bikes. I’m more than pleased running for my second set of TKC-70/Rocks on my 2019 KTM 1290 SA-R. The bike, when new, arrived with Pirelli Scorpion Trail II. Although these tires had an outstanding grip on tarmac, easy handle and low noise, were useless offroad, and were also defective. After lots of research, I find out they were responsible for an intense handlebar vibration between 50 to 80 km/h, so I changed them with 1500 km. Since then I have used the TKC 70 Rocks just everywhere: Dry and wet pavement / tarmac, small and compact or loose and bigger gravel, sand, mild mud, etc., not only alone, but also with wife and luggage, holding speed about 140 - 150 km/h on the highway. My only concern was that the rear tire pressure (on hot days with load) went up from 42 psi (manufacturer manual cold) till 60 psi. Anyway nothing happened, so it should be normal, as we were about 30% under the maximum allowed weight. Although this is my third KTM in the last 15 years (690->990->1290), it is my first time using these Continental TKC 70 Rocks. I consider these tires as really multipurpose and with a very satisfactory average behavior in multiple conditions. I estimate that the actual set (with some luck) will last 14,000 km (8,600 mi), period in which they have been quite punished. As a comparison, I never managed to get more than 6.000 km (3.500 mi) from the TKC 80. At last, I did not know that you had a comercial relation with Revzilla, where I have been a happy customer for about ten years now, and where I bought my new TKC 70 rocks a few weeks ago. Next time I will check your channel first.
Howdy! Do you have any updates on the TKC70-rocks? How many km's did you get out of them?
I'm running them too, and I find them to be a very good, all-round tyre. The rear is certainly better off road than the standard version.
Most reviewers focus only on the terrain to be ridden on and not enough on the rider. I know riders who are very aggressive off-road, but fairly timid on the pavement. Similarly, I know riders who are quite aggressive on the street, but downright timid in the dirt. Even if the first rider spends 50% of his miles on dirt and 50% on pavement, he is likely better served with a knobby tire as he will utilize a greater percentage of the tires off-road capability. Similarly, the second rider may ride 50/50 dirt vs street, but would be better served with street oriented tire as he will more fully utilize the street performance and the poor off-road performance may still be enough for his capability off-road. So, I say look at both the proportion of miles or hours ridden AND the riding style to make the best tire choice. Don’t just look at the mix of on and off-road miles or time.
Yes. As I develop skill it will matter less.
I bought a 14’ Vstrom 1000 that came with Dunlop TrailSmart tires. They handle very well on pavement, even when wet.
Off road, not so much. Even on good hard pack gravel roads, they are not very confident inspiring. Living in Northern
Michigan, I’m looking for that elusive 70/30 or 60/40 tire. Always appreciate the real world reviews!! Thank you Ian!!
Thanks BMW R1200GS Adventure, mostly pavement and great for carving for an elderly rider. Going from 20/80 to 50/50, your video helped.
My V85 TT is currently running the Anakee. After my trip this coming August to Western Mt I am looking at the Trailmax Mission. Not that I plan a lot of off pavement rides, but, living in South Dakota 80% of our roads are not paved. Not to count all the forest service roads here in the Black Hills.
Yes, thanks Kyle and Ian. We’re so appreciative!!!
I've had real good luck with Shinko 700's on my '18 KLR. They are glass smooth and quiet at 75, and do an admirable job on gravel and dirt roads. Plus, they are cheap (as in price, not quality) 😃.
Wouldn't put them on anything with power, though. But they seem to be well suited to the KLR, DR-650, XR, etc.
I can't wait to try Dunlop TrailMax Missions after running Continental TwinDuro's. I like the Continentals, but they're a little too aggressive for my mainly pavement riding. I've read nothing but good things about the Dunlops as they appear to have found a nice balance-which is what adventure riding is all about.
It may sound funky, But I put a set of Shinko 705's on my 890R, great on street and hard packed dirt, and passable on loose gravel.........gravel is sometimes a trick unless a lot of hours have been done on it.
Good job. 👍
Ive been through a few different brands over the years with my super tenere. Ive had the best compromise tire for everything to be Dunlop Trailmax Missions. Theyve handled everything from commute and interstate touring to Jeep trail. The Pirelli Scorpions were great off road, but squirrely on the street.
You can ride a knobby tire on the street without much drawback because there’s still plenty of grip on asphalt. But taking a street oriented tire off-road is a nightmare.
The drawback is extremely short tire life
Exactly @@kyletyson8129
Ian was a semi-regular at Eagle Mike's "tech days" in San Diego way back in time 👍. Listen to Ian, he knows his stuff.
those were good times
You are always there with the right answers. You’re best is class and I appreciate all of your videos. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
I just changed my Anakee adventures (after 9000 miles) that my 2019 GS came with to TKC 70s and they are an absolute blast love how the humm on the pavement but on the dirt like maintained fire roads or national parks they have crazy grip. Actually they have so much grip now that I lifted the front wheel on a 2nd to 3rd gear hard acceleration 😳😳
Your comment about squirminess is accurate on the Motoz Tractionator... new at 75mph, it started to squirm... after about 3,000 miles wear... it now squirms at about 84mph.
Well made vid. I have the Trailmax Missions on my Africa Twin and they are fantastic. I live in western Colorado and ride a lot on backroads and the only time they lose stability is in very deep gravel, but it Is minimal and predictable. But every where else they work exceptionally well. On tarmac they feel like a dedicated sport tire and grip like crazy and handle tar snakes very good as well. They are highly recommended!!
@@4my4mykaren Absolutely. I run tubes in mine.
I raced crotch rockets for year's and on my klr 650 and my tiger I run full knobby and can still leave my buddy's on the road in the dust!
They say I'm crazy! Maybe but living in the north woods I like having control in the mud and sand. I had trail masters on the klr and they sucked in the mud.
I am looking forward to seeing your review of the F 850 GSA. I own one and absolutely love it. It hits the sweet spot for me between on road comfort and off road fun.
I wanna trade my 800xca for the 850gs or norden 901
Most likely will be my next bike in a few years !
I actually found a 901 at my local dealership, but they only wanted to allow $4500 on trade and I wasn’t gonna do that. Kelly blue book values the XCA at $9500 and $6500 for trade value! No way I felt like that was fair!
I'm looking for that review too.
I have one too and I love mine.
Sone people love the Anakee, while many don’t. When I was looking for a street tire for my T7, I watched lots of videos that tested the tires in the rain. The British are great at that since they get lots of rain. The Anakees seem to be lousy in the rain. Hence it’s nick name the “Panikee.”
The Trail Max Mission don’t look like a 50/50. But I didn’t go for those because they are the heaviest 50/50’ around. Which puts more stress on the drive train and brakes. More emerita to get going and more momentum to slow down. Not the mention the extra unsprung weight.
Since I ride rain or shine, and after looking a every video I could find on tire performance in the rain, and due to availability, I went with the Avon Trailrider. May be next I’ll try the just released Merzeler Tourance Next 2. Gotta wait for the reviews to start coming in.
Oh and how about the TKC70 and TKC70 Rocks. Have you tried them? They look pretty good!
I ride a 2020 Tiger Rally Pro. It came with Pirelli tires (80/20) and they were fine for hard packed gravel roads. I wanted something more aggressive and provide more confidence on gravel and soft road surfaces. I went with the Dunlap Trailmax Mission and I absolutely love these tires. I ride on average 80/20 but these Dunlaps do as well as the 80/20 Pirelli tires on the street but WAY better on soft surfaces. As a bonus, I now have 6,000 miles on the Dunlap Missions and they are still in very good condition. I expect to get 10,000 on these tires and will buy them again when needed. I know there are many options out there but when you find something as good as the Missions, plus longevity, why would I buy anything else? Lastly a big shout out to Ian for his well produced videos.
The link to the Mitas E-07 is actually pointing to the Mitas E-07+. Two different tires. Have you tried them both? I run the E07+ on my 1200GS, and they work great. I believe the E-07 are slightly more dirt-oriented.
There is a good argument to be made for putting 80/20 tires on a commuter bike that you never intentionally will go off-road on anyway. Heavy rain, runoff, snow, flooded roads, accidentally going up a long gravel driveway. Hell some roads are just torn to pieces. You're not going to be street racing anyway.
Where I ride in eastern Australia one of the problems with 80/20 tyres is that they are far more susceptible to punctures than something more off road oriented.
Thanks for how your organize your videos, makes it more useful and easier to refer back to them several times.
Bought MotoZ Tractionator Adventures for this coming season. I figure I can tolerate the road noise and on-road handling compromise for offroad advantages. We'll see how it goes.
Ha he got the bumble bee F850GSA to test! I loved that color so much it helped seal the deal on my 850. Little teaser at the end there for the review. I do notice that it had TKC80s on it. I find it interesting that those tires weren't offered as stock but all the bikes at the BMW performance center were wearing them and Ian's loaner is also. I have a set of TKC80's that I'm going to squeeze on after I finish burning up my Karoo 3's, hopefully they'll do a better job of keeping the rear wheel under the bike on wet clay.
Good overview, but....For those of us running tubes in adv tires, it would be very helpful to comment on how stiff the sidewalls are as in which ones will be a major PIA to service roadside w/ small hand tools 100 mi from the nearest shop. None of you tire review guys seem to factor that in, which I assume is because you only use a tire mount station to install your tires.
For those who are considering a big open knobby tire for their ADV bike, maybe you should be looking into a different bike category than a tire. ADV’s are no more than a road bike with off-road capabilities. Changing the tires is not going to make it a dirt bike. I run a 50/50 on my KTM which I find to be a good combination compared to the 80/20 TKC 70 that came with it. I found that big solid rubber strip down the middle of the rear to be no more of a off road tire than an actual street tire. As for the front, now that had some off road characteristics.
The Trailmax missions offer some good off road bite without compromising any loss on the pavement. A little bit of hum ( you really have to listen for it ) and once in awhile from a stop to a high torque take off in a turn I’ll feel a lug separation, but on a curvy blacktop I feel no difference from the TKC 70.
With no personal data but looks like a good candidate would be the TKC 70 Rocks. Problem is it’s only offered in the rear and not in the front. Maybe run a Trailmax mission up front. Not only do both set up’s have good road and off road capabilities, they are both high mileage tires. I personally don’t have the time and money to be changing tires out every 2,000 miles on a knobby. Nor do I want my heart skipping a beat at 70 mph on a 40 mph curve.
I’m out there to enjoy my ride, not fighting it because I have the wrong bike for the wrong Terrain.
The Rocks' tread design only applies to the rear tire. It is intended to pair with the regular TKC70 front.
Good overview! I have a Pirelli Scorpion Rally STR on my NC750x (an adventure bike? :-) and they work well all around for road and light off-road. Good cornering traction doing gymkhana as well and in rain.
DAMN… I literally bought my first pair of adv tires for my almost brand new 2016 KLR 650 with only 1,100 miles. I bought them off Revzilla, my go to. This morning your vid popped up in my algorithm 😢 Great vid though for newbies like me on ADV’s!
Thank you so much for explaining it. All other youtuber just reviewed tires without explaining why.
Thanks! I have a perhaps strange question (being new to riding). What will be easiest/best on gravel/mud/snow:
a) a street bike (e.g. SV650 or MT-07) with about 5" of suspension travel fitted with 20/80 tires (your third category), or
b) a same weight adventure bike (e.g. a Himalayan 450 or a CFMoto 450MT) with about 7-8" of suspension travel, but fitted with 50/50 tires.
Your perspective would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
50/50 option is gonna do it for me
Nothing to serious off-road
Enough grip on road
Just did the Idaho BDR on my 2021AT AS. Ran Trailmax missions and they disappointed me greatly. Never had my front tire slide out so unexpectedly so often as with these tires. Will take them off as soon as I can.
shout out to kyle. he is the ultimate professional. good video!
I love the Dunlop Mission Trailmax.
Thanks so much for your thorough videos!!! Your channel has been very beneficial to me as I'm new to ADV bikes! Keep up the good work!
I'm looking for an 80/80 tire. 80% perfect on wet, curvy, 80mph pavement, and 80% perfect in gravel, lose dirt, rocks, and sandy dirt, all with very high mileage.
Hi Ian, definitely the Dunlop Trailmax Mission is not a 50:50 tire. It's 70:30, very good tire I have some 4500 km on KTM 990 ADV.
Agreed. Also, putting Pirelli Scorpior Rally STR at the same level as Michelin Annakee Adventure is a mistake IMHO. Piresslis have more agressive tread.
@@pont0n The Bridgestone AX41 is a very good enduro tire but lasts a little. Heidenau K60 Ranger have a nice profile, but soft compound like AX41. I'm talking about tire for big enduro bikes 220kg +
@@pont0n yes the Pirelli has more aggressive thread than Anakee Adventure and are more capable off road. I had 3 sets. Great tire. Trying the Anakee Adventure now
i think so as well but that is all subjective , frame of reference and all ,
@@stanislavk.4823 I like the look of those k60 rangers
12,000 miles on a set of Dunlap TMM on my R1200GS, and they still have a few thousand miles left. But I don't think they are a 50/50 tire out here on the east coast. But if you wanted a 70/30 tire that will last from Florida to Alaska and back without changing, it'd be perfect. I've got a Motoz Tractionator Adventure rear and Dual Venture front sitting in the garage waiting to go on next.
I’m in PA and have been looking for a good 50/50 tire for my 1200GS for when my Shinko 705 wears out. I know it’s a pretty tough ask, but have you tried a 50/50 tire yet that isn’t scary in light mud? All of the tire reviews I see on UA-cam are in dry, desert like conditions. Not exactly applicable to the area I live. I ride quite a bit of pavement, so I’m not looking to get more aggressive than a 50/50, unless I can get something so cheap that I don’t mind not getting 5k miles out of a rear.
@@mmaaddict78 the mud was the downfall of the TMM. I’m a novice rider, and they didn’t work for me. I’ve also had the TKC 70. It was worse. I’m hoping to get 8,000 miles out of the Motoz, but we’ll see. That’s all I’ve tried.
@@BoilerRealm I might end up going with something fairly aggressive on the front like the Dual Venture and something 50/50 on the rear like the GPS. I don’t mind the ass end sliding around in mud, it’s the front end washouts that are the scary part lol
@@mmaaddict78 I agree. If I don't get more than 6-8k miles out of the regular tractionator adventure, I'll try the GPS next.
Brrrr. Bei so einem Wetter kriegt man mich ja kaum aus dem Bett geschweige aufs Bike. Schön, dass du in Wien bist. Ich hoffe, du genießt meine Heimatstadt und wirst verwöhnt. Tipp: Torten bei Aida oder Landtmann oder - eigentlich gibt es eh überall Torten.
Thanks for giving Kyle Props, I jus watched his video before this one. Both really well done, i have much respect for people trying to help others with data. Keep that rubber down, and throttle up. ZbigZ
As always Ian a great video with very useful information but do you ever smile or have facial expressions as you could pass for R2D2 haha. I was thinking that once you got the Norden you would "loosen up" :)
I have the anakee adventure on a Kawasaki kle500 with 45hp at 195kg and they are great! Amazing on pavement,great on dirt roads but not as good in mud(even light situations) and loose rocky terrain!!! And as of longevity mine didn't really last. At 8.500km the rear is at the point where the indicators are even with the nobs....and by the way I'm looking to get the trailmax mission although I haven't seen them advertised as 50/50 but as 70/30 but still more off road than the anakee
If I put a Motoz GPS on rear, and a Motoz ADV on front, can I get smoot 80mph and grip in wet, curvy pavement, and still get good grip in hard packed offroad, gravel, dirt and light rocks?
The adv probably won't be that smooth on the front. And the GPS may not grip that well in the wet it does good mileage more than wet grip. Its good in the wet but if pushed it can go.
Don't forget to comment on the noise level generated from each tire. I have stock Bridgestone A41 tires on my bike and the front drives me nuts with the noise it makes. It's not always related to the aggressiveness of the tread either. The A41 is like 90/10 road biased.
Exactly, road noise is something I was hoping would be covered here,
My favorite is Anakee Wilds still. They’re radial, conform well without risking the rim by airing down. Still stick well on pavement, even when wet. I wish they lasted longer. Running Anakee Adventure now for the commuting. Seem great. Not as good in the dirt but better on the road, last longer.
I ran Pirelli Scorpion 11s for a season. Awesome on the road. Dual compound like the Anakee Adventure.
Love radials regardless.
My Anakee Wilds were great performers but got very loud as they wore and transmitted a lot of vibration through the handlebars.
happiness is getting a new set of tires.
And a warm gun
Excellent video! So for the 2023 Kawasaki 650 KLR Adventure, what would the BEST tire for 50/50 for front and back.
You are providing a lot of good info in the last few years.
Do you think there are real advantages to go for the 80/20 tires in comparison to 100% on road tires linke a Michelin Road 6?
I mean, neither of them are meant to perform well on mud and sand, so for dry offroad and a bit of gravel, couldnt an onroad tire perform as well as an 80/20 one?
Are the onroad tires just weaker to impacts?
Dunlop trail max mission tires were the absolute most difficult tire I have ever worked with as far as mounting is concerned.
Will the Dunlop 50/50 be filled to a 2008 Goldwing and ride it on the Dalton highway?
Thanks for yet another great video!!! I just ordered my Rallz rear through your link, I’m sure glad I could get ahold of one since the 130/80-17 has been tough to find. Keep up the amazing work!
This might be a silly question, but would you consider putting a 90/100/21 tire on an adventure bike? If so, when would you consider it?
Excellent Explanation in detail very Educational for All ages Thanks 🙏
I just ordered the Dunlop 50/50 trailmax mission!
Excellent information thanks!
Great roundup. I am running Mitas 07 on my 390, with a set of Dunlops going on to try out. I am skeptical that they are going to be good in anything loose or wet offroad. But friends swear by them. - Frank
I like the RallZ on the rear and TKC 80 on front combo. I get 5000 miles out of the rear and about 4000 out of the front with 50/50 riding, aggressive on pavement, ‘17 Africa Twin. Tractionator is real noisy for first 2k Mike’s but worth it! Do want to try the Mission Max
I like D605 tires for both road and trail. Anything more road focused just doesn't work for the clay trails I ride. Glogged treads act like racing slicks.
This was a great episode. Thank you for that.
I would consider also, for the longevity the region one is in. I may be wrong in the USA but please enlighten me. I am Swedish but now in North Carolina.
So, in Sweden and Scandinavia we have another mix of tires than if we would buy the same tire in Greece or Italy. Ours is softer to handle both our summers and winters. If you run our tires for a longer period in the summer in Greece it will wear out prematurely, and if you buy tires in Greece and take your car to Sweden and run on those in the winter they will be rock hard like hard plastic.
Is it the same in USA that tires from lets say Wisconsin or Minnesota market is softer than tires for the market in Georgia or Florida?
Can you have two different types of tires on a motorcycle? Like a 20/80 in the front and 50/50 in the rear or do they need to be a set?
Ran the Anakee Adventures on Africa Twin. They were great for the first 1000 miles. Then went to crap off road. They were still great on road though.
What jacket are you wearing?
The knobby tire has bigger outside circumstances, so i will adjust accordingly so it won't damage the mud guard
Kyle's videos are kickass, made quite a few choices from those.
I believe Motoz pronounces the Rallz as the "rally"
ok, have a silly question but here it goes. I have a ktm 890R "Duke" and love riding into baja. i'm fitting a surf rack on it and looking at a good dual sport tire that does well in loose sand more than hard pack. Any comment's welcome.
I’m going with 80/20 - 90/10 tires if I can find them for my 300L. Shinko 705’s sound good to me.
Hello, The Manufacture don't have my Tyres for Both wheels, What do i do now?
My supermoto is limited to the 90/10 and 80/20 tires as the 50/50 tires aren't made in its tire sizes. Shame as I really like what Dunlop did with the trailmax tires. Just as well I suppose as I mostly do street and just light hardpacked offroad in dry conditions. Good stuff. Also seen Kyle's videos too, really great info in them, highly recommended.
The trailmax tires are so nice on and off road. Might be worth updating to a 19 inch rim.. My 21 still grips in the twisties.
The conti big blocks are about the best you can find in 17s. I'd grab dirt rims and get proper dirt tires on them for some harder off road riding.
Just looking at the profile and tread pattern of the Dunlops, I can't believe they're considered 50/50 in terms of performance. I even saw someone in the Tenere forums call it a 70/50 tire, which sounds like malarkey to me....But I drank the kool-aid because I've already got a pair in my garage waiting to getting spooned onto my wheels haha.
I believe that Dunlop has changed their marketing numbers to 60/40 ...
what a garage. My god, that is a dream right there :) Love your videos
Im not entirely sure why 80/20 tires are so popular. They usually are considerably worse than street tires, yet they barely make any diffrence off-road
Fire roads and dry not too rocky stuff is prbly gonna be okay on street rubber
Great video. I had just finished ordering Dulop Trailmax before seeing this video, and it looks like it was the right decision 🙂
Dear Ian, thank you so much for your great work, it is so helpful for many people!
One thing I would warn about. And I saw this in an accident with a car and an ADV bike in town recently. The guy had full kobbies on what looked to be an Africa twin. Hard to tell what the bike was actually. He had full-blown knobbies on the bike. And on a hard surface you're just not going to stop well... you're going to squirm all over the place in a hard turn.... to avoid a wreck. Well technically the wreck was not his fault. BUT The tires he had on would have severely limited his ability to mitigate.
I tried motoz rallz on my 1250GSA. Wasn't very impressed. Only lasted about 3,000kms and very loud and squirmy on the road. As an Aussie I wanted to like them but I'll try something else now.
Everyone forgets high speed stability, the TKC80 was awesome at high speed stability on pavement.
Hey great up the great video’s !
Got a question for you , I have tiger 850sport on 19”
Front alloy wheels . Is it good enough for some gravel roads/forest road , fire road ? Are the alloy rim tough enough . My budget could not stretch for the rally pro. Let me from your vaste experience!
Hear, Hear, Kyle is the best! Don't care about tire life.