Apple M1 vs Apple Intel: LOGIC PRO Head to Head
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2024
- Pitting the new 2020 M1 powered MacBook Pro 13" against the six-core, 8th generation, i7 Mac Mini in Logic Pro. How does the 16GB M1 limitation come into play? Will the six i7 cores take down the M1's four performance fours? There are already a million vids up about these machines. Welcome to 1,000,001.
EDIT: The RAM usage I reference & flash on screen at 09:18 should say 2.74GB, not 2.4GB. Dangit Seven! Why you gotta do me that way?!
Thanks to GBR Music for the Logic remake of the Avenger's theme, which is what I based this test on. You can download his session at tinyurl.com/snkh33o
00:00 - Intro
01:32 - Bumper
01:43 - Explanation of session
04:38 - M1 test (recommended "auto" in Processing Thread preference)
05:55 - M1 test (all 8 threads enabled in Processing Threads preference)
07:48 - Intel test
09:55 - Thoughts, Suggestions and Gibber Gabber
Nice test. Exactly what I was wanting to see!
Really interesting video - thank you.
This is a great test - thank you!
Been waiting for a video like this - thanks!
Hi, great video, definitely needed to see how it performs with a large Logic session. I only have one question, did the fan kick in a lot when running the session? I want a M1 MBP but I’m also considering the M1 Mac Air because of it having no fan.
I haven't had the fan turn on in Logic yet. But take that with a grain of salt as this isn't my main Logic machine. I have had it kick on with some Final Cut projects....takes a LOT to get it there, though. And when it does, it hasn't been anywhere close to as loud as my 2014 MBP or latest Intel Mini. I like the touchbar for video editing, but if I was exclusively using for Logic (and needed to be mobile), I'd consider the Air.
Hi there, cann you connect microphone to mac mini like on macbook pro over headset plug?
how is the performance in comparison ofteh mac mini vs macboiok air ?
very nice content!
When all the cores are used to drive Logic it means they will be evenly split on the CPU load with less spikes in the program, however, the rest of the computer will stall because some cores are needed to process other stuff, so mostly Logic users keep it to automatic or a lower number of cores depending on what works. Which is no biggy given how powerful the new M1 works. Unless you are using specific plugins, which apparently most work with rosetta anyway. As you say, only having two ports would be an issue for most people and it will be interesting to see how the M1X performs without using conversion software. For that price breakout cables could be used, which in many times is the case, if anyone is starting out, it is well worth it, there has never been so much horse power in a Mac period.
Man, your voice sounds so goooooood, tell me your stuff chain!
I have a mid 2019 macbook pro with 8ram i5 processor with 4 cores 1.4GHz. Some one is selling me used 2020 MacBook pro M1 with 16 ram. Both 13in for $1,200US ...in your opinion for Logic X Pro, would it be wise to get the 2020 M1?
That shout out to Rene!
Thanks for this nice and chilled video:)
Am going to get the m1 Air with 16gb ram and “only” 256gb ssd cause I’ll run everything of my software and sounds from an external disc ❤️
When you buy it tell me how is tour experience on apple air m1
@@nitinduke I bought the m1 Pro model with 16GB and 256GB SSD. I’ve got the new Mac Book for almost a week now and I absolutely love it!!! I definitely can recommend it to everyone out there 😋🙌🏼
@@dillons82 i must wait one month to buy macbook air m1 16gb 512 gb ssd .. i cant to wait
@@OsKiKSG niiice!! I’m happy for you🤍 you will love it! Congratulations 🎊
nicee.. what is your monitor sir? is it 4k resolution?
In this vid I'm showing the M1 hooked up to two 1080p monitors (one natively, one through DisplayLink), but it supports up to a 6k external monitor natively. I have a dual DisplayLink hub and have run the M1 with two 2k monitors, a 1080 (natively) plus the onboard monitor.
The video was so good I subscibed in the first minute
Self-proclaimed uber nerd here, I’m gonna try to explain how the Logic Pro process can peak over 100%.
The way Activity Monitor works is it shows your used up total CPU usage at the bottom there, the percentage where it says “Idle” is the actual amount of the CPU not being used. The number above it shows the actual use amount. The processes in the list above do not show the total CPU usage; rather it shows how much of the usage of the CPU that is being used of that % in the red is. Therefore, Logic Pro was using a sizeable chunk, so much so that it was a higher number when compared to the rest of the processes and apps running.
What kind of microphone is that? It sounds really balanced 🙏
hey Izac! It’s a vintage (70s) AKG 414EB with the C12 capsule.
Can’t wait until my favorite plugs are ported over. How fast this happens will Be a buying point for me
By the time the m2 comes out all the plugins will be native
@@MikeJones-oe3do I really hope so because Apple had developers saying it was so easy to port. I can’t understand why many were not onboard already since they are all in the “tech loop. I hope none are rebellious like most were when it came to porting from tdm to Aax dsp.
@@WayneDawkinsThePartyMan It's called technical debt. The way applications are written is not usually in the way they are supposed to, with hacks and problems everywhere. You'll find that smaller companies like Valhalla can move faster than companies like Native Instruments. For an example, why doesn't Native Instruments offer resizable windows and all those QOL features people would love. Once a program is written in a certain way, especially if it's the wrong way, it's so hard to fix it going forward.
@@neilsutcliffe5825 ok thanks for the info. Well I bit the bullet and bought it. At the very least it will be a transition machine. Maybe it is metal or just a better gpu than my stock 2.8 2010 Mac Pro, but renders that normally took 4hrs I am now doing in 5 minutes. Just insane.
I literally just upgraded my music production computer from a 2011 imac to the intel i7 macbook pro and am wondering, should I have got the m1 route instead? Apple lists it on their site, customized to have the same memory and storage as the i7 variant along with logic pre-installed for the same price.
definitely definitely definitely. I have logic on my m1 macbook air and intel mac mini and it’s insane how much my mini locks up (and it’s 6 cores 2018) and my m1 seems to have no trouble. quick!! return it !! hahaha
@@Tarune__ Shhhhhooot hahaha I had a feeling! Just sucks I wouldn't get the m1 model in the mail until February
Yes, but if you don't want to just run native plugins.....?
Anyway, thanks for the head-to-head test; it's helpful.
Not sure if most musos can stretch to a $2k+ laptop at the moment.
I have never had an issue with audio count tracks on the intel, but looking go Apple Silicon Mx, so it seems the issue is only going to be RAM on the M1 series as 16GB is small, but the cost of extra RAM on the M2/M3 is silly compared to 48GB I have on the 5.1, for sample instruments RAM is the key...How does an M1 with 16G RAM perform when the RAM is maxed out with sample instruments etc
It just depends on your instruments. The majority of the samples used by Kontakt, for instance, are DFD (direct from disk) and only a very small amount is loaded into RAM. And the internal storage is super fast. I don't do heavy orchestral arrangements myself, but this one was quite a few samplers and hybrid sample/synth instruments loaded and it kept up with no trouble. I can only speak anecdotally, but for the kind of productions I've thrown at it, it's been good. I have a Mac Studio with 64GB and I've never been anywhere close to needing it. YMMV of course. Best of luck!
Just as a note: In another video, out of the native Logic plugins, Alchemy seems to do not too well in comparison to its Intel sibling - it's been speculated that it might not be really optimized for the ARM platform yet (which I would sort of understand, given that Alchemy is still based on the Camel Audio original, which might have some deeper Intel/crossplatform roots/traces). I'm sure things would run yet a bit smoother with something else.
I own a iMac 2012 with 12GB Ram and 2TB HD, what would you suggest for an upgrade , i use mine for Recording with Garageband and using Toontrack Plugins and also STL Tones and THU Overloud
I can't speak to the M1 compatibility of those plugins, but if you don't need a laptop, the new M1 Mini is THE way to go IMO. On paper it's the "fastest" of the three M1s, with better heat dispersion. It'll save you at least a few hundred compared to the Air (about $1100 USD with 16GB RAM) and for desktop use gives you native support for dual monitors, two USB 4 and two USB 3.1 ports. I have a 2012 MBP and can say that this will be a LEAP forward for the '12 iMac. However, if you don't have to make a move right now, it might be worth seeing what happens in March. Rumors are going around about the next round of Mac releases. Possibly a Mini Pro (or Pro Mini) and possibly an M2 chip or multiple M1 chip configurations that may allow for more RAM & different port configs. I haven't had any trouble with the 16GB RAM in my M1 MBP, running Superior Drummer 3 (still under Rosetta 2) with some RAM hungry SDX; the architecture for accessing memory is much faster and more efficient...but....developers will soon be taking advantage of that and more RAM couldn't be a bad thing.
@@MusicNerdStuff Thanks! yeah I may also want to upgrade to Logic Pro too!
@@robmlisanti that's a solid upgrade!
@@MusicNerdStuff Yeah I may wait but you know how it is, you still have to wait for all the bugs to be updated which could be a year... dont know if i can wait that long..
Avengers theme song 😂😂
My word people need to put away their mind control
Unfortunately if you 3rd party plug-ins, the intel outperforms the m1 still. I have the same project with my friend I can’t run it for 2 seconds, runs flawlessly on his intel Mac. I have an m1 Mac mini 16gb
How do you connect an audio interface. Directly to the Mac? Or via a usb hub. Am trying to decide what to buy.
Audient id4 mk2 is USB-C
@@felixlechat1780 Of course. I meant does it work as well via a hub. Thanks for the reply.
@@accentontheoff yes but if you have alot device working at the same time I'm not sure.
@@felixlechat1780 Sure. Thanks.
I'm going for a souped up mini, if anything. The 13" screen is too small for my 60 year old eyes. The real test will be cpu intensive 3rd party plugins.
Recommending the new Mini to all my buds who are looking and who don’t need the notebook form factor. It technically has the potential to be the fastest of the current M1’s given the chassis and fan combo. For people worried about TB connectivity, OWC has a new 1-to-3 TB4 dock on pre-order for like $150.
After running Rosetta mode I was able to load all of my plugins- except NI. What was interesting is that after validating the plugins in Rosetta I was able to load Logic Pro with Rosetta off and the plugins still worked. The question is should i continue however to run Logic in Rosetta mode or should I go native mode. There are some who indicated that running apps that need Rosetta while running Logic outside of Rosetta causes worse performance......Thougths? Seems like we would want to run Logic in native universal mode and not Intel mode if possible.
Interesting. Yeah, I would have assumed running native would far outperform Logic in R2. I’ve been waiting to install most of my 3rd party stuff as this isn’t my main Mac for audio. Honestly at this point I’m more worried about having to purchase compatible “upgrades” from 3rd party vendors. Waves is historically bad about this so I’m assuming the worst there. I also use IZotope’s tools for mastering and “repair & recovery” work, which I’m much more likely to want to do on a laptop. So I’m proceeding with caution with most 3rd party plugs/apps for now.
do you have the m1 pro or air?
@@ferruizmusico8126 pro
@@chicagobob wich is the difference between the air and pro? apart from the fans
@@ferruizmusico8126 none
I’m really curious what interface was used. Last time I checked, meaning yesterday, none of major musical gear producers was able to provide drivers for M1 computers, UAD offers some walkaround to instal their drivers, My M1 Mac mini has been collecting dust since January, basically useless music production wise. Luckily my old MacBook s still life (and kickin :) )
I’ve setup a silver face Twin and three 8p’s. For most folks, holding down the power button upon startup until u get the Startup Options menu, selecting Startup Security Utility from drop down menu, then choosing “reduced security” works. This allows the UAD installer (9.13) to do what it needs to do. Can’t recall if I still had to choose “allow” in Security Prefs or not but if it asks you, you’ll say yes. I’ve nstalled on three M1s so far (two MBPs and a Mini) and all are working great. A few plugs are wonky in Logic but all is working in Console as expected.
@@MusicNerdStuff So it works . I gave up reading at some point. I use silver Apollo mostly as my monitor controller for presonus quantum 4848, and for plugins, so those Apollo drivers aren’t much help anyways. Still, thumbs up for UAD
Practically all audio, this is not a real stress test for a modern machine. That couple of alchemy is not too much for the CPU
100%
You can run multiple displays with a display link splitter
I’ve got the WAVLINK USB-C sitting in my cart. Just waiting for official support word and the right deal on two 2k 24”-25” displays. The Wavlink uses the DisplayLink DL-6950 and will do dual 4k 60Hz which fits my needs well. It also has a ton of other ports, and if the M1s can take advantage of those it’s a no-brainer for me and might possibly facilitate the M1 takeover of my studio once all my third party dependencies have been met.
8 core to 8 core, 16gb to 16gb.
m1 vs m1 optimised.
rosetta vs rosetta.
plugins, audio cards.
native instruments.
monitore
tb and usbc speed vs each other
What about Native Instruments? what do you think their timeline will be?
Hard to say. Here’s what they’ve said so far support.native-instruments.com/hc/en-us/articles/360014683497-Apple-Silicon-Compatibility-News
@@MusicNerdStuff Late next year
They are an old extremely tight-in-the-pants company that moves at a glacial speed who have lost a lot of their software talent. They will be the very last to support M1, I’d put my money on mid 2022.
@@MrEcted Really?
@@nyambe no lol they slated compatibility for early 2021 so prolly by summer you'll be in the complete clear is my guess
When you compare it is important the same track is selected, this can change everything
The same session was used with both computers.
@@MusicNerdStuff you don’t get me. Even if it the same session, pay attention to which track is armed because this is changing the behavior of logic pro. I see that on the m1 test a bunch of tracks are selected but on the mac mini only one. Try and tell me if everything stays the same, I doubt it
No audio tracks were armed (neither record enabled nor input-monitor enabled) for either computer. If I happened to randomly select a virtual instrument at some point during the test it would automatically record enable that track but logic‘s behavior did not and would not change. It would still play the track back as is.
@@MusicNerdStuff ok if you are sure I trust you. It is that I wanted to temporarily buy an i7 mac mini to wait for the new m1x mbp 16 and all the plugin to be updated, but your test really makes me think if it is a good solution
In my opinion it depends on how crucial those few third party plug-ins are to your work flow which won’t work under Rosetta. I personally lean heavily on UAD, and they are not compatible yet. But for me, this MBP isn’t my main production machine. I’ll keep the i7 Mini around until the UAD and Waves is sorted. That said, it’s been a joy to work on. I’m finishing a new video which puts it at the center of a full blown, “off the grid” mobile rig.
logic benchmark vs 8 core vs 8core.
rene Ritchie isn't he part of apple cult
Practically It's a 4-core CPU with hyper threading if you want intel analogy for the cores.
The M1 doesn’t have hyperthreading (which actually makes it use less RAM interestingly) by a small bit.
It still has 8 physical cores (hyperthreading allows 2 threads on one core to effectively create virtual cores), but 4 are for efficiency whereas the other 4 are for the most demanding tasks. :)
over 100 percent.....our amps go up to 11......spinal tap
"It's not your job to be as confused as Nigel."
The reason I'm watching the video is to learn to properly grow a beard. Do you use beard oil?
Of course! They wouldn’t renew my subscription to Bearded Weekly if I didn’t.
Just like all the other reviews on this subject, it did not actually give any information on how logic runs on the M1. Seriously, none at all.
How is this what you say it is, when you're (quote) 'not going to use it as a dedicated audio machine'? You didn't even try to emulate it. "no i don't wanna close down these tasks because i use them" ?????????????????????
Did you try to play a single instance of Alchemy, 512@44.1. Seriously. This is shit.
So...I ran a session with 62 stereo audio tracks, 36 stereo sampler tracks, 12 instances of Alchemy plus processing which I’ve described in the video. I’ve showed what the CPU and memory toll is for that session on the M1 and Intel Macs. The takeaway is that the M1 runs Logic very nicely. What is it that you’re missing?
@@MusicNerdStuff Thanks for reply and sorry about my tone and indignation.
What i'm missing is 1) methodology and 2) (more) comparisions. adn 3) somebody reviewing the product who is concerned about the performance when you're using the computer as a instrument. I want 10ms latency, tops. I used to have 8ms running cubase 5 in 32 bit back in 2011 with a focusrite saffire firewire. And while computers allegedly got faster, my lowest stable latency at this point with my 2017 i7 dell laptop paired with a UAD Apollo Twin is 20+ ms. And it doesn't sound that much better to tell you the truth...
Anyway. I'm on my way to pick up my M1 air now. let's hope for the best =).
@@majoriteten this vid wasn't intended to measure those parameters - it was more a comparison between the CPU and memory hit of Intel vs M1. Honestly, I've never had to think about latency on either of these computers...it just hasn't been an issue. But on this particular system, I can tell you what I've got...With that same session running I added another instance Alchemy to play/record via a midi controller. My buffer is set to 32 samples, which is the lowest I have available. This session is 44.1k. With built-in headphones my output latency is 4.8ms, r/t is 7ms. With Scarlett 2i2 (latest gen), output latency is 3.8ms, r/t is 7.9ms. With silver faced Twin output latency is 1.4ms, r/t is 8.7ms. But if I'm using the Apollo, I'm usually monitoring audio input(s) in Console where my latency is
@@MusicNerdStuff wow this is a exceptional machine.
Logic Pro x Malicious Software ....
hey i'm gong to make a music focused video of a song i cant play you. Well that's brilliant - guess I wont be watching this
Useless