I remember laughing when I saw him during the Bridget Jones movies. Then Laughing some more on Mamma Mia. I remember seeing Kingsman the first time way back in 2013. And seeing his character ‘fight’ on the screens was a total “Oh sh*t!” Moment for me. Badass indeed!
But... wait he’s in this? I thought he was in the first film and does, and this is a prequel from a different era. Is he here playing a different character?
I love watching the WW1 WW2 history and in this movie I hope for a lead to a sequel or 3 ,but killing the main villan and making his back story boring, if any of you know of the 2 great wars you would see they left out much greater battles to use as well as The Kingsmen as a moral duty to not cause greater war and genocide in the movie their role is getting more countries to go to war !?!?!?! This isn't Nazis in WW2 this is WW1 and why would they continue the blood shed
My favourite part about the kingsmen is how over the top the plot is. Reminding me of a classic bond film with an over the top megalomaniac with a convoluted plan to end the world and being stopped by a gentleman spy
The death of Conrad completely caught me off guard and I was shocked for a bit. Also being a somewhat history buff, all the subtle nods that they did based on the real-life events that took place made me like the movie even more.
@@jon4715 I would’ve preferred it if he had been mown down in no man’s land like any other soldier, as opposed to contrived emotional gut punch they went with.
The Drinker stating the movie getting "historical events pretty much correct" is just hilarious. I wonder how many drinks it took to erase France from his memory... XD
A true brit would say: What's a france? Never heared of it. Never seen soldiers from them. Only empty fields with lots of footprints showing in the opposite direction.
TBH I love/hate that it's just sortof close enough to historical events while twisting them. It gets enough close to true that some youngin without better knowledge might even believe some of the whacky bits. Gavrilo Princip failing and then by chance sitting at a cafe when Ferdinand's car just drives by by happenstance. Except in the real history, Gavrilo sortof chickened out when the first bomb missed, and it didn't miss because someone cane-thwacked it away like a badass and the conspiracy group he was part of wasn't a ragtag high level international group led by a scott. Or how the movie played with the Rasputin rumors/legends/myths of assassination attempts that fail, emulating them all in one evening encounter. Or how the telegram to Mexico is played for laugh as an absolutely ridiculous idea even though... that did happen. It plays with real events just enough to be almost infuriatingly whacky with it at the same time, heh.
Halfway through this film and I feel like I'm at a Liberal Arts college seminar on what's wrong with Whiteness and Masculinity. I suppose 'muh Communism awesome' coming soon..
The knife fight with the Germans in the no man’s land blew me away. Gritty, creepy, violent. The way they slowly crab crawled towards each other! Stark change between that and the Rasputin scene which was bright and beautiful and equally violent. Both akin to the kinetic church fight in the original
Dude that scene is insane. I was in the theater with my family and for the first time in a while I was generally scared for the characters. That scene was terrifyingly real.
I love watching the WW1 WW2 history and in this movie I hope for a lead to a sequel or 3 ,but killing the main villan and making his back story boring, if any of you know of the 2 great wars you would see they left out much greater battles to use as well as The Kingsmen as a moral duty to not cause greater war and genocide in the movie their role is getting more countries to go to war !?!?!?! This isn't Nazis in WW2 this is WW1 and why would they continue the blood shed
Sorry, my disbelief just didn't want to stay suspended. You should watch more movies (equal to better movies) with better scenes than that abomination, like Saving Private Ryan.
The death of Conrad was a proper “subversion of expectations”.. because no one saw that coming in real time but if you saw the first one, in retrospect, it shouldn’t be surprising. Because Kingsmen was founded by lords and rich men who all lost their sons in the great war.
warning for anyone who hasn't watched it. spoilers . . >Spoilers . Conrad getting his head blown in was a fucking shock to me and i applaud the writers and directors for not being predictable. very impressive watch
Please give a few more spaces in between the warning and the spoiler, a slip of the finger could be devastating. But I do agree, 100%. I shed a tear when it happened
I liked how small the villain was because the movie made a point about how small things left unchecked can spiral into big problems and that's a really solid message.
"Female Housekeeper, at a time when Women weren't even allowed to vote" Neither were MOST men --- that came in 1918 (Representation of the People Act 1918).
That's Drinker's point... sort of. If the wokesters had made this movie, they would have taken up about a third of it with complaints about how tough women had it during the Great War.
Anything that involves a secret agent fighting a ballet dancing swordsman to the tune of a classical orchestra is always going to be decent. Rasputin feels more like a Bond villain than the last few Bond villains did.
Rasputin was an excellent character in this movie. He was brilliantly quirky and yet really dominant in front of the lense. Best character of the whole movie.
I fimally got the name of that shuffle dance Rasputin performs to find out that the Beryozka dance was created by Nadezhda Nadezhdina in1948 at least 30 years after Rasputin died.
I'm "an actual history buff" and I loved this movie. WW1 (and the events just prior) are fascinating and shaped the modern world we live in more than most people realize. Oxford was the epitome of a reluctant hero and Ralph Fiennes did an excellent job with the portrayal. The actor who played Edward, Nicholas and Wilhelm had me rolling.
I don't care much for the movie, but that did have me laugh hard, it is a great historical nod. Especially between George V and Nicholas II, they are genuinely twins in my eyes.
I too was quite surprised and pleased with the historical fiction aspect. The timeline was spot-on for events even if artistic license was used to explain the protagonist club's involvement.
Good lines are hard to come by in movies now, but I actually really appreciated the line: "Reputation is what people say about you. Character is what you are." Great message for today's day and age to remember.
They managed to introduce a "diverse" character into an early 20th century English period drama and gave us a credible reason for him being there.. Bravo.
@@samw2670 The best actor in the world can't make an out of place, non-believable role work for them. Jodie Turner-Smith is a capable actress and plenty easy on the eye, but she was rightly pilloried over her role as Anne Boleyn.
Wait....you mean you're NOT talking about the goat? ....what have you got against goats? Why do you hate goats? I'm calling the Southern Poverty Goat Center to file a complaint. You're in trouble now, pal.
I like how this movie was oddly historically accurate, with some creative liberties taken of course…But gavrilo princep did kill franz ferdidnand after originally failing until they accidentally took a wrong turn and stopped right in front of him. Also, all the kings of Europe were all cousins 😂. Rasputin was 100% a drug addicted sex machine that had a complete hold over the Russian Royal family because of his pseudo science “magic” healing of their son Tsarevich Alexei. And it is also a fact that Rasputin survived several assassination attempts in one night before finally dying, probably from drowning. Feel free to look this up all of it can be found in multiple history books and trusted fact based websites.
Dude, it shows how low my expectations are with films these days when I was genuinely (and happily shocked) at the assassination sequence. The failed bombing and chance encounter later on that is.
I just want to give a big thumbs up to the actor of Rasputin and the choregrapher of his fight scene. The actor looked and felt like a calm and collected madman when donning Rasputin's 'face' and it looked amazing. The fight scene is one of the most enchanting (Yes enchanting) fight scenes i've seen in years, its not a fight of brute force or technology versus technology like a lot of super hero movies do these days, It was a literal Dance of death as Rasputin spinned and twirled endlessly like a tornando in an attempt to kill Shola. It was really really cool. Too bad they killed off Rasputin so early, he'd have made for a more compelling Antagonist. Having him be the sheperd all along would have been cooler and would have flowed into the urban legend of Rasputin being 'unkillable'.
Honestly, what ruined the movie for me was to deal with the BBEG being a Scottish goat herder with a (understandable) grudge, manipulating world events through his illustrious cabinet of multinational henchmen from the top of a cliff. I mean, what gives him the power again to command the loyalty of all these people? Who tf is he at all? Is he super rich or some kind of super charismatic spiritual leader to command all these people and significant resources? Sorry, just couldn't suspend my disbelief hard enough to take that seriously.
What ruined the movie for me (apart from the things you mentioned) is that they forgot about more than HALF of the belligerents... "And with Russia out of the war, Germany can turn its full military might towards England, and destroy it" Hmm... wasn't by any chance an entire allied country named France in the way? Naturally, they couldn't include every detail, but there is a limit for oversimplification.
@@user-bb9gj4rk1d yeah that was my biggest problem with it. Wheres the ottomans? Wheres the austrians? Wheres the french? Maybe theyre saving it for the sequel? I bet we get a sequel that ends with a teaser of a ww2 one, they did have that joke about finding someone to balance lenin on the right.
I actually gasped when Conrad died and got teary eyed. I think the movie really had a heart to it and a great action thrill Ride feeling. I give it a solid 8 out of 10
Me too, than I started clapping. One less stupid idiot in the story plot. Unfortunately it did not improve much and never finished this drivel.. I guess I'm not a part of MODERN AUDIENCE 😂
Oxford's quest to save King and Empire, and expressing relief that the British Crown didn't meet the same fate as it's mainland counterparts was surprisingly refreshing. Of course that's what that character's goals would be! Pretending any different would have been annoying and contrived. The WWI sequences, while stylized, were really well done, and the final battle with the villain was excellent.
I absolutely loved the hand-to-hand trench combat scene where they fight the Germans while looking for the intel. I've never seen anything that described the brutality of WW1 so vividly.
@@oddballsok bf1 was a lot of fun but it definitely doesn't accurately represent the hand to hand combat that commonly occured with hammers, clubs, shovels, and knives. Bf1 doesn't wrench my gut like watching a young man plead for his life while a knife slowly plunges into his chest. That gets the point across and makes you feel for the character.
@DEZZNUTZ 1001 1917 was one of the best I've seen but it still didn't depict the hand-to-hand combat like this. Historically, this scene was very accurate and makes the viewer understand how a gung-ho, testosterone addled young man could totally flip his mindset and understand his father's hesitancy to fight.
Djimon Hounsou is a GREAT actor, but he’s always “that guy” in big budget movies like Guardians of the Galaxy, Fast and Furious 6 or 7 idk, Tarzan, Captain Marvel, Shazam, etc…
@@gorilladisco9108 It’d just be nice to see him play characters again like in Blood Diamond (in which he out-acts DiCaprio btw) because he just doesn’t appear to do that anymore really. Maybe he’s fine with that, but if not it’s a real shame.
@@bencarlson4300 Honestly, while I'd love to see him as the centerpiece in another movie like Blood Diamond, I can say I'm happy with him having these smaller roles with good writing rather than a big film with shit writing. He has been very well casted in all his roles.
This is a franchise that I’d happily watch for several more years. It’s pretty much the only film franchise in the “swashbuckling” genre. Reminds me of the original The Mummy, Pirates of the Caribbean, and the good Bond films.
Go see Uncharted. I saw it an hour ago and it's basically what you describe with a bit of National Treasure, Indiana Jones, and Da Vinci Code thrown in. It's pretty good and entertained me for a couple of hours.
Spoilers : My favourite part about this film was seeing Conrad to be a bad ass only to be brutalised and straight up murdered by a soldier on the same side. Really rammed home how much of a shit show war is
A while back, a professor in a journalism class gave his students an assignment: Come up with the most dramatic newspaper headline imaginable. Some of the entries: Alien Life Found on Mars Extraterrestrials Visit Earth Second Coming of Christ Confirmed Sun To Go Nova This Month, Destroying the Earth Killer Asteroid Strike Imminent Etc. etc. The winner? Archduke Franz Ferdinand Alive, World War Fought by Mistake Great review, Drinker!😁👍
That different direction it went reminded me of another 3rd film of a franchise that also was a prequel. Underworld: Rise of the Lycans. Both are alright in their own rights.
I loved it. As a history fanatic i enjoyed the movie's play on those events. Plus, the night fight in no man's land was one of the most badass scenes I've seen in a while.
Rasputin's place in the Romanov Hierarchy was not only illustrious, but worthy of legend. This murdering monster in the historical account was shot, stabbed, and burned before he went down. But now just out of a "wee" bit of observation, does anyone else notice the word "Putin" in Rasputin? Anybody get an idea that the current Russian Premier is named after two of the MOST feared figures in their respective countries (Hungary and Russia)? Vlad the Impaler and Rasputin as in Vladamir Putin. Coincidence?
I was struck at how accurate the history was, and that there was an actual representation of "Boer" Concentration camps that the British used. I have never ever seen an image of those on a film.
@@nicholaszaal4902True. They were copied from the Spanish who used them first in Cuba in 1895 under General Valeriano Weyler, basically similar to internment camps to control hostile populations from supporting guerrilla fighters. They in turn got the idea from the US reservations for Native Americans. The Spanish and British camps had a horrible death toll because of poor sanitation and low rations, especially as there was a policy of less rations if any of your family was out fighting. The Germans took the idea a step further after crushing a rebellion in their own colonies in 1904, and forced them into camps that weren't used to control a rebellious people, but to literally enslave and exterminate a defeated tribe. It meant they used the inmates as slaves to build railroads, buildings and docks, and undesirables were sent to Shark Island death camp where they were sent specifically to be killed en masse.
*Ngl I want more of these* historically centred Kingsman stories.. you could do a Political Action movie set in Russia around Stalin or a Japanese story centred around the emperor.
@@emilyrockett1774 I didn't even know this was out, I guess they just didn't want to give it any press since it wasn't the "right" kind of movie for modern Twattle. But if they did do some more historical story based films I'd definitely watch it. Watching how the mantle of policing the world changed from Britain to America would be interesting.
My dad was home in PA from his winter retirement place in Naples Florida and although me and him are very different people… I’m more left leaning, him more right and we don’t share a lot of interests but, we do share a love of cars, WW1 and 2 movies and everything about them as my grand father fought in the Battle of the Bulge in the 778th tank Battalion, and just movies in general so him and I went to see this together and we we’re the only two people in the theatre and it was a really fun time with my dad. I really enjoyed the movie and hangin’ with my pops.
@@theketaminekid1241 I just removed a ton of comments from them in this comments section so hopefully Drinker can ban them once he sees those removed, held-for-review comments in UA-cam Studio. I’d ban them myself since I’m a moderator, but UA-cam only allows a channel owner and other people with access to their channel to ban accounts in their comments sections.
The best way to get someone to respect your work is to actually respect *_your_* work; The hacks who push "the message" don't care about their work, they only care about telling other people how bad they are for how they were born, or about giving each other self-righteous high-fives. It's a platform, to them. And what do you do with a platform? You stand on it. And no one respects the thing that sits under your heel.
I ended up looking up a whole bunch of history because of this movie and was surprised at how true to it all it was! Obviously a bit of a passion project for the creator who paid a lot of attention to detail. It was also refreshing to see a movie taking place in this era at all which I don't think I had ever seen before. Thanks for the recommendation! Surprised at the critical score.
This movie was surprisingly good. I half expected it to push “the message” like every other movie nowadays but it left wokeness aside and just told a good story.
What message?....the movie touched on equality, the status of women, nationalism, and the war machine. The same thing you all bitch about in star wars and disney movies. lol You're a victim to that monster in your head. .
He was also the only guy that was trying to keep Europe from falling into war. Conrad von Hötzendorf was the Austrian general that was pushing to have a tighter grip on Serbia while Ferdinand was the only balancing power player that wanted to keep peace with Serbia. Once Ferdinand was killed Hötzendorf had a clear path to start the war and he then bungled it horribly.
From a historical perspective, it wasn’t ridiculously off. I loved it when I was sitting in the theater with my brother, another history nerd, and the Rasputin fight was happening. He gets stabbed at one point and falls in water. I lean over to my brother and say “the only thing that killed Rasputin was a bullet.” To then watch him resurrect himself to get domed. I nearly died of shock due to a history fan dopamine overdose.
Honestly, the only part of this film I enjoyed was the Rasputin fight. The WW1 plot line felt like it was a waste of run time and killed the mood/tone/pacing of the film.
I’m surprised you didn’t have anything more to say about the Villain’s motivations, considering. Rasputin was easily the best part of this movie, love that absolute man.
There should've at least been a confrontation with yusopov, who was an informant in the movie and was the person who organized and carried out the assassination of Rasputin
I don’t get how the main villain had power over everyone? Like why were they scared of him? He didn’t seem to have a big army or lots of money or a bigger organization above him. They could have all just said fuck you i,m going home and doing what I want.
@@britsquaddie78 Loyalty requires no reason. Maybe the Shepard didn't had anything to make him into the boss but the others saw something in him and he had the drive and intellect to reach his objective. Infiltrating people in positions of trust like that must have required solid planning and years of almost flawless execution.
The sequel to Kingsmen actually made me angry. Such a huge letdown from the 1st one. And I thought it ruined what could of been a great franchise. Thankfully, this prequel brought it back.
@DEZZNUTZ 1001 You don't get out much. It wasn't great, and it was far less impressive than the original, but definitely not one of the 25 worst films of the last 5 years.
I wasn’t expecting it to be so funny. The lead up to the Rasputin fight had me rollllling. It def peaked there but I enjoyed it as a whole none the less
Drinker's suggestion that it DIDN'T push 'the message' is laughable. You have anti-colonialism, the 'noble' anti-British, British 'war crimes', the heroic Black African and ineffectual males mansplaining to a 'better' woman ALL IN THE FIRST SCENE. Other 'message' pushing is Victoria supposedly 'only' person stopping war between toxic males, the 'female' and the Black hero THREE times saving the rich, white guys... the list goes on.
@@ragnardanneskjold6509 Jesus Christ. You lot must be possessed or something. You don’t know the difference between something that is ‘woke’ and just goofy scenes.
@@joshua2870 Please inform me of the anti-British, anti-Colonial sentiments in KM1. Let us all know the 5 separate occasions the main 'girl' saved the main 'men' in KM1? Jesus Christ. You lot must be blind or something. You don't know the difference between something that is poorly written and something that is poor due to characters being UNABLE to be flawed cos of Message-Pushing
Their dancing Rasputin made for an intriguing character with a memorable performance. Made me want to go refresh my memory on the historical facts and tales about him.
Best of the bunch IMO. The action wasn't JUST silly fun and the pacing was finally justified, you're building up to the eventual Kingsman formation. Would definitely watch a direct sequel to this one.
Rasputin was one of the coolest villans Ive seen in a recent movies but he got one fight and a couple cameos and that was it, it feels like they just wasted all that potential
I was totally surprised with this movie, the trailers made it seem like a fish out of water comedy, but it was such a great dark comedy. It was fun, exciting, shocking, and emotional.
"The idea of a secret cabal manipulating important political figures across Europe to trigger the first world war is the stuff of pure fantasy" That was just a really good joke...right Drinker?....RIGHT?!
My teenage son is a serious nerd, which I say with the greatest of respect. Last year, in 8th grade, he wrote a book report on an 800+ page biography of Rasputin, in whom he had developed an interest whilst delving into why movies have the “Any resemblance to any person, living or dead” disclaimer. And, yeah, Rasputin figures prominent in that. So we caught him up with the first two movies, because he was interested when he saw the ads, and because of there’s one thing the boy loves in a movie, it’s a well choreographed fight scene, of which these movies are crammed full, because Wednesday night’s all right for fighting. 🙂. Anyway, turns out he knew more than the biography of Rasputin. He sat there in the theater, which was not too crowded on a weekday afternoon, and informed me as to which scenes were historically accurate and which were not. Turns out he’s very interested in WWI, as well. Beyond the obvious conspiracies silliness, it’s actually quite accurate, down to the manner in which Gavrilo Princip dispatched the Archduke. It was a lot of fun to see. It’s not as humorous as the first two, but it packs more of an emotional punch. More even than “Country Roads,” which we all sang in horrible accents.
I feel like that’s most billionaires these days. Gates, Bezos, Zuckerberg, Soros; they’re all dark overlords manipulating the masses for their own nefarious goals. But let’s not focus on that; just consume product and then get excited for the next product.
The way this movie dealt with history drove me insane when I saw it. The secret group was supper stupid, the way the Zimmerman telegram was handled was wrong, and the fact that they made it seem like the war ended the second the US joined instead of a year later was infuriating.
@@iamafish7 You did have I believe five final offensives by the germans against the allies in a desperate attempt to punch a hole before the US came in force which was important to the end of the war. You are correct it was basically a forgone conclusion at that point, but it was still an important part of the war.
This series does a great job of almost being a parody of the Iconic Bond Tropes like Eccentric Villians like with Equally Eccentric Sidekicks,An Evil Lair in a diverse Beautiful location and Unique Gadgets,but then it takes it all seriously and commits to the ideas the set up. For some reason the Bond Films feel like they've gotten too serious while forgetting to have some fun. Moments I loved included the Night Time Trench Knife Fight scene,the Duels against Rasputin and the Shepard, and any scene with Shola,and man that Mid Credits stinger with Hitler honestly has left me more anticipated for the series going ahead.
I like how they took the phrase “manners maketh the man” from a bad guy. And this movie did have a chance to be a Tremors or Ant Man 1 type of movie surprise, but there are worse things this movie could have been. It was a fun movie for PPV.
@@erikhermansen3431 The Rasputin fight was the highlight of the movie. And the silent knife fight in no man's land was a close second. Everything else was tiresome.
Well thank you kind sir I didn’t think that I would wanna watch it but after hearing your review I will go and check it out! thanks again I enjoy your program a lot keep up the good work
Agreed, though I would've preferred more Rasputin in the film. He chewed the scenery in basically every scene he was in and will be the most memorable bad guy from the shady cabal in the film.
When I saw the first trailer I was convinced that he would be the main antagonist, either pulling the strings that lead to WW1 or using the war as a diversion for something else
@@kokowheeli6053 The only “flaw” with Rasputin in the film was that he was too obvious to be the main villain. But I sure would have liked more scenes with him.
@@meurumtrain4747 Oh, don’t get me wrong, I would have loved for the story to go into more outlandish territory, instead of sticking as close to historical realism. Something akin to the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen comics with over the top villains and alternate timelines would be right up alley. It just wouldn’t gel with The Kingsmen IP, but I could see Vaughn pulling off a similar wacky action movie.
You know I am a child of the 90's, I remember seeing the English Patient as a kid and being like man, whoever that guy is. He can ACT. And to this day, to this very day he has not let up one bit.
The reason I loved the first and this Kingsman is how despite how fun and over the top it is it still is kept authentic. Conrad goes to Sandhurst and gains a commission in a real regiment. He disguises amongst a real regiment. Many of the weapons are authentic and it all adds for a good fun film.
I'll be honest, I came into the movie expecting it to be meh, I was just there to see the Rasputin fight. But man was I pleasantly surprised by the rest of the movie. It was so nice to see a movie just be a movie again. No forced political or social message forced down my throat. And just some nicely done action scenes.
@@baizuo_6246 I didn't mind her character, but twice she interrupted contentious fights and ended them instantaneously. Okay, that's fine, playing a bit of a hardass nanny type with a bunch of rambunctious boys. That fine if it's her character, she's a combat specialist. But, oh now she is also a genius code-breaker? My eyes couldn't have rolled harder. It was straight out of a hard-parody.
Saw the twist a mile away. Secretary gets "sick" and isn't in the room when the ship blows up? The Rasputin fight was fun to watch and the peak of the film for me.
I really liked it. It's actually my favourite of the three. I liked the alternate-history angle, and I appreciated that it was a bit more serious and emotional than the previous movies, whilst keeping the cool OTT action.
All the WW1 historical tie ins had me giggling like a schoolgirl and the Rasputin fight scene was just plain awesome. I watched it with my daughter and whether she liked it or not gave her a history lesson for each historical reference.
Always great to see Raphe Fienes in anything. And considering how his role as ‘M’ was a bit underwhelming in ‘No time to die’ .. it’s terrific to see him kick ass and take names.
Fiennes is such a fine (heh) actor! People anymore remember him as Voldemort, but I know a half dozen other roles he's been in that he's always put his heart and soul into. Glad to see they gave him material worthy of his skill.
He’s a great actor and I feel he doesn’t get as much recognition as he deserves. Guy was downright terrifying in Schindler’s List but then he can be hilarious in a movie like In Bruges. And who could forget that he was He Who Shall Not Be Named in the Harry Potter films.
For the record, that was not a POW camp but a concentration camp, a novelty invented by the Brits during the Second Boer War. Skeletal-looking women and children are clearly visible behind a bard-wired fence in the camp scenes.
I really enjoyed this film - it subverted my expectations in many ways, and I like war-themed historical fiction, especially if it is done right. Now, I did actually figure out who the villain was simply because he “died” off-screen, and that kind of took the oomph out of the reveal, though I have to say Matthew Goode is quite good at accents and so I didn’t suspect him before that. Also, I had to laugh when you mentioned the lack of historical knowledge of the general public. I still remember years ago my mum was watching that show Dancing with the Stars, and the host mentioned something or other about Napoleon to this celebrity teen, and she exclaimed “who’s that?”. It was one of the many instances that caused me to lose hope in humanity.
After making Colin Firth into an action hero equal to Bond in the first film, Ralph Fiennes isn't much more of a stretch. My complaints about the film are pretty much the same. A plot that felt like two films instead of one, pacing issues, and a weak villain who's identity I copped after the first 20 or so minutes. That being said the film, while by no means perfect, I still would call good in spite of it's short comings, and that's thanks in large part to the writing of the Characters. Oxford especially. His development in the movie was well handled. And that midnight fight in No Man's Land was brutal.
I don’t know, Gemma Arterton’s character felt like a complete Mary Sue to me. She’s better than cryptographers and good at fighting, has no flaws and yet comes off as arrogant and rude. And she did save incompetent male characters in Rasputin fight
And she's the typical rude, condescending, holier than thou female that doesn't respect anyone, even though she just the nanny in a duke's household, specially in a time where people were much more respectful and proper
Which was why I was glad she didn’t join the other two up the mountain. She just wouldn’t have had the physical ability and speed to fight the Shepherd in a swordfight, nowhere near the same level of close quarters aptitude as with Merlin.
@@PappityPaps just a nanny in a Dukes house? She's the head agent of the Dukes spy agency, and de facto lady of the house. And nanny's to the upper classes, especially back in those days, were incredibly bossy to almost everyone when going about their business - including the fathers. She was hardly that. There's a reason busybody laws about behaviour are called "nanny state" and it is that ordering people around!
Correct. This entire film was 2 hours of American-Liberal-Arts-College-Grievance-Studies-Major fantasy wet dream. Drinker's been blinded by a Scottish accent again - he probably thinks Highlander is a good film.
I secretly wish that there was a deleted scene with Conrad running across no-man's land, then pan over to see Wonder Woman crossing it at the same time off in the distance.
I'm really glad you liked it. I really liked it too - just stupid fun and very inventive putting a story around some unexplained events in an unbelievably rich period of history.
My biggest problem was that it had too many plots. I get it wanted to cover all of world war 1 events, but was the point of his son's story for instance? It was obvious that it had no importance in creating the Kingsman
It was lost in plots and subplots, it was a good fifteen minutes too long and none of the actors really give a killer performance a-la-Colin Firth back in 2015.
I liked it too, and was impressed at how much historical "accuracy" they put in. However, I was disappointed you couldn't sneak in a image of Klaus Schwab or Blair at the WEF when you said "secret cabal manipulating important political figures across Europe ... is the stuff of pure fantasy" :D
This movie is trying to imply the US intervention in WW1 is a "good thing". This should tell you everything you need to know. Just a fancy spin on the same BS we've been peddled for about a 100 years.
Historical accuracy? None of the plot points in it made any sense given the historical reality. US really wasn't the reason Britain and France beat Germany in the west for example
@Alexi Monterrey Oh ok then so the typical "Im going to make an insane and downright ludicrous claim, then tell people to do their own research." I don't even know why I'm bothering to even give you a second thought but please, enlighten me, where would one go if not the internet?
This film was reasonably promoted on UA-cam. I recall seeing it available in my local theaters but, having not been able to muster any interest in seeing the sequel in its day, I found myself I found myself in the same position here. I very much enjoyed the original film though.
My favorite part of the film is when they fought against Rasputin that was one of the coolest blade fight I have seen in a film in a long time since kill Bill 1 and 2
Hey CD and everyone... I just wanted to say about The King’s Man; that as a daughter and only kid to my parents, I thought this film was a lovely depiction of a father-and-son relationship through that of fatherhood and sonhood. As of right now, my Pop hasn't gotten his chance yet to watch The King’s Man. I hope he gets the opportunity to watch the film this week, as I think he will really enjoy it. Anywho... I just wanted to add in my perspective on this film, from that as an only child but as an only daughter child to my father, aka Dad. Ps: have a great Monday, everyone, and a wonderful 9th week of 2022. Later!
Great film. Makes sense, origin story that doesn’t stomp on the original. Gets some message in but doesn’t Labour the point. Great payoff at the end. Not sure the SNP would be happy though!!
The original Kingsman managed to make Colin Firth look cool and deadly.
Not a small feat.
I remember laughing when I saw him during the Bridget Jones movies. Then Laughing some more on Mamma Mia.
I remember seeing Kingsman the first time way back in 2013. And seeing his character ‘fight’ on the screens was a total “Oh sh*t!” Moment for me. Badass indeed!
I think that is Ralph Feines (sp?)
But... wait he’s in this? I thought he was in the first film and does, and this is a prequel from a different era. Is he here playing a different character?
I thought he was cool BEFORE Kingsman
I love watching the WW1 WW2 history and in this movie I hope for a lead to a sequel or 3 ,but killing the main villan and making his back story boring, if any of you know of the 2 great wars you would see they left out much greater battles to use as well as The Kingsmen as a moral duty to not cause greater war and genocide in the movie their role is getting more countries to go to war !?!?!?! This isn't Nazis in WW2 this is WW1 and why would they continue the blood shed
My favourite part about the kingsmen is how over the top the plot is. Reminding me of a classic bond film with an over the top megalomaniac with a convoluted plan to end the world and being stopped by a gentleman spy
Fr everything is so grounded now from Bond to Batman - wish things would just delve into the goofy stuff and have you take it seriously.
Well that’s the entire point so good lol
I hate to say it, but it ain't that kind of movie bruv
I definitely thought that about the first one, and I loved it. The second one kinda sucked in my opinion, but I'll have to give the third one a try.
Was over the top but how they used real world facts in it just adds to it. Best film of the series thus far
The death of Conrad completely caught me off guard and I was shocked for a bit. Also being a somewhat history buff, all the subtle nods that they did based on the real-life events that took place made me like the movie even more.
Was Conrad's death necessary? It took me out of it, almost turned it off.
@@jon4715 I would’ve preferred it if he had been mown down in no man’s land like any other soldier, as opposed to contrived emotional gut punch they went with.
@@jon4715 They stated in the first film that the founder had no heirs
@@ericbhl6971 They should have let him die heroically in the blast then. The friendly fire execution was needlessly cruel.
Yeah, right! I hope that guy who shoot without questioning him was killed, execution: back of the skull way. 😒😒
The Drinker stating the movie getting "historical events pretty much correct" is just hilarious. I wonder how many drinks it took to erase France from his memory... XD
That's why he drinks
A true brit would say: What's a france? Never heared of it. Never seen soldiers from them. Only empty fields with lots of footprints showing in the opposite direction.
TBH I love/hate that it's just sortof close enough to historical events while twisting them. It gets enough close to true that some youngin without better knowledge might even believe some of the whacky bits.
Gavrilo Princip failing and then by chance sitting at a cafe when Ferdinand's car just drives by by happenstance.
Except in the real history, Gavrilo sortof chickened out when the first bomb missed, and it didn't miss because someone cane-thwacked it away like a badass and the conspiracy group he was part of wasn't a ragtag high level international group led by a scott.
Or how the movie played with the Rasputin rumors/legends/myths of assassination attempts that fail, emulating them all in one evening encounter.
Or how the telegram to Mexico is played for laugh as an absolutely ridiculous idea even though... that did happen.
It plays with real events just enough to be almost infuriatingly whacky with it at the same time, heh.
Halfway through this film and I feel like I'm at a Liberal Arts college seminar on what's wrong with Whiteness and Masculinity. I suppose 'muh Communism awesome' coming soon..
Movie centered on the Brits during WWII that features frogmen fighting? What is this blasphemy, anyone knows they'd sooner surrender then fight.
The knife fight with the Germans in the no man’s land blew me away. Gritty, creepy, violent. The way they slowly crab crawled towards each other! Stark change between that and the Rasputin scene which was bright and beautiful and equally violent. Both akin to the kinetic church fight in the original
Dude that scene is insane. I was in the theater with my family and for the first time in a while I was generally scared for the characters. That scene was terrifyingly real.
I love watching the WW1 WW2 history and in this movie I hope for a lead to a sequel or 3 ,but killing the main villan and making his back story boring, if any of you know of the 2 great wars you would see they left out much greater battles to use as well as The Kingsmen as a moral duty to not cause greater war and genocide in the movie their role is getting more countries to go to war !?!?!?! This isn't Nazis in WW2 this is WW1 and why would they continue the blood shed
I love that scene as well. The mutual understanding of not making any firearm discharge and the gruesome hand to hand combat was so well put together.
I agree the tension for that scenario in 'no man's land' was really brutal, and actually believeable. Really was the best scene in the entire flick. 🤠
Sorry, my disbelief just didn't want to stay suspended. You should watch more movies (equal to better movies) with better scenes than that abomination, like Saving Private Ryan.
The death of Conrad was a proper “subversion of expectations”.. because no one saw that coming in real time but if you saw the first one, in retrospect, it shouldn’t be surprising. Because Kingsmen was founded by lords and rich men who all lost their sons in the great war.
Worthless deaths like that are also something that happens all the time in war, but movies don’t often do them
@@Agent_Cobalt true
@@Agent_Cobalt Also true.
Yea it deffo shocked me how it happened
Yeah when I saw it in the movie theater I was thinking, oh yeah he's fine he's fine......right.....???
warning for anyone who hasn't watched it. spoilers
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Conrad getting his head blown in was a fucking shock to me and i applaud the writers and directors for not being predictable. very impressive watch
Please give a few more spaces in between the warning and the spoiler, a slip of the finger could be devastating.
But I do agree, 100%. I shed a tear when it happened
@@danielshaw9979 you right lol, i'll fix that up so hopefully i don't ruin someones watch
Was predictable if you remember in the first film, Harry told Eggsy that Kingsman agency was found by aristocrats who lost their heirs to WW1.
Yes. It was so sudden. Like what!
I liked how small the villain was because the movie made a point about how small things left unchecked can spiral into big problems and that's a really solid message.
"Female Housekeeper, at a time when Women weren't even allowed to vote"
Neither were MOST men --- that came in 1918 (Representation of the People Act 1918).
Everyone always glosses over the fact that for most of human history it's mainly aristocrats that have any say in politics.
Thank you Gary for that bit of important British history.
I wish the Drinker would include important details like that on some of his videos.
That's Drinker's point... sort of.
If the wokesters had made this movie, they would have taken up about a third of it with complaints about how tough women had it during the Great War.
@@VidkunQL all while ignoring the fact that men were getting killed, injured and deformed while fighting the war.
@@a.williams1945 Exactly. (But it's "disfigured", not "deformed"; Palpatine was an ass.)
Anything that involves a secret agent fighting a ballet dancing swordsman to the tune of a classical orchestra is always going to be decent. Rasputin feels more like a Bond villain than the last few Bond villains did.
Rasputin was an excellent character in this movie. He was brilliantly quirky and yet really dominant in front of the lense. Best character of the whole movie.
I fimally got the name of that shuffle dance Rasputin performs
to find out that the Beryozka dance was created by Nadezhda Nadezhdina in1948 at least 30 years after Rasputin died.
Dance that rasputin is performing with knife and plate is georgian traditional dance " parikaoba'.
@@nika6184 ha.... my Name 🤣🤣🤣
Poison couldn’t kill Rasputin
So the had to do some shootin’.
I'm "an actual history buff" and I loved this movie. WW1 (and the events just prior) are fascinating and shaped the modern world we live in more than most people realize. Oxford was the epitome of a reluctant hero and Ralph Fiennes did an excellent job with the portrayal. The actor who played Edward, Nicholas and Wilhelm had me rolling.
I don't care much for the movie, but that did have me laugh hard, it is a great historical nod. Especially between George V and Nicholas II, they are genuinely twins in my eyes.
I too was quite surprised and pleased with the historical fiction aspect. The timeline was spot-on for events even if artistic license was used to explain the protagonist club's involvement.
This is super not historical.
@@EyeofValor it never was. But the subtle accurate nods are well done
The world is still carrying those scars. What is war in the Middle East? 🤦
Anyway good movie.
Good lines are hard to come by in movies now, but I actually really appreciated the line:
"Reputation is what people say about you. Character is what you are."
Great message for today's day and age to remember.
They managed to introduce a "diverse" character into an early 20th century English period drama and gave us a credible reason for him being there..
Bravo.
QUALITY
*ACTUAL* Quality!
But hes actually a decent actor
@@samw2670 The best actor in the world can't make an out of place, non-believable role work for them.
Jodie Turner-Smith is a capable actress and plenty easy on the eye, but she was rightly pilloried over her role as Anne Boleyn.
@@samw2670 that too
XD
Wait....you mean you're NOT talking about the goat? ....what have you got against goats? Why do you hate goats? I'm calling the Southern Poverty Goat Center to file a complaint. You're in trouble now, pal.
Man, that fight scene with Rasputin was probably the most fun Ive had watching a movie in a while. It wasnt just good, more importantly, it was fun
Yeah it was great. Kingsman always had great fight scenes and the way they made Rasputin’s fighting style look like Russian dance was amazing
Rhys Ifans just about stole the movie.
@@dinocarosi4303 I'll admit that i thought he was the ONLY good thing about the movie.
@@spicebagconnoisseur8470 It's not a Russian dance, it's a Georgian dance. Please don't mistake those two.
It's even better when you rewatch
I like how this movie was oddly historically accurate, with some creative liberties taken of course…But gavrilo princep did kill franz ferdidnand after originally failing until they accidentally took a wrong turn and stopped right in front of him. Also, all the kings of Europe were all cousins 😂. Rasputin was 100% a drug addicted sex machine that had a complete hold over the Russian Royal family because of his pseudo science “magic” healing of their son Tsarevich Alexei. And it is also a fact that Rasputin survived several assassination attempts in one night before finally dying, probably from drowning. Feel free to look this up all of it can be found in multiple history books and trusted fact based websites.
Dude, it shows how low my expectations are with films these days when I was genuinely (and happily shocked) at the assassination sequence. The failed bombing and chance encounter later on that is.
Rasputin was shot in the head. All the other stories are bullshit
@@thewitchking852 some of the best stories come from real life
I just want to give a big thumbs up to the actor of Rasputin and the choregrapher of his fight scene.
The actor looked and felt like a calm and collected madman when donning Rasputin's 'face' and it looked amazing.
The fight scene is one of the most enchanting (Yes enchanting) fight scenes i've seen in years, its not a fight of brute force or technology versus technology like a lot of super hero movies do these days, It was a literal Dance of death as Rasputin spinned and twirled endlessly like a tornando in an attempt to kill Shola. It was really really cool. Too bad they killed off Rasputin so early, he'd have made for a more compelling Antagonist. Having him be the sheperd all along would have been cooler and would have flowed into the urban legend of Rasputin being 'unkillable'.
Yeah those were my thoughts exactly, i really really wanted him to still be alive
Rhys Ifans
MODERN AUDIENCE 😂
That No Man's Land fight in the middle of the night is easily one of the best action sequences I've seen in awhile.
The sheer terror they managed to portray in one scene was amazing. And the German soldier begging for his life, it was almost difficult to watch
@@DarthAxolotl sheer*
@@roymunson1 education is important
And what came after was legitimately a shock
Fuck yes
Honestly, what ruined the movie for me was to deal with the BBEG being a Scottish goat herder with a (understandable) grudge, manipulating world events through his illustrious cabinet of multinational henchmen from the top of a cliff. I mean, what gives him the power again to command the loyalty of all these people? Who tf is he at all? Is he super rich or some kind of super charismatic spiritual leader to command all these people and significant resources?
Sorry, just couldn't suspend my disbelief hard enough to take that seriously.
Agreed. He was the worst part of the film. Rasputin would have been a better main bad guy.
What ruined the movie for me (apart from the things you mentioned) is that they forgot about more than HALF of the belligerents...
"And with Russia out of the war, Germany can turn its full military might towards England, and destroy it" Hmm... wasn't by any chance an entire allied country named France in the way?
Naturally, they couldn't include every detail, but there is a limit for oversimplification.
@@user-bb9gj4rk1d yeah that was my biggest problem with it. Wheres the ottomans? Wheres the austrians? Wheres the french?
Maybe theyre saving it for the sequel?
I bet we get a sequel that ends with a teaser of a ww2 one, they did have that joke about finding someone to balance lenin on the right.
You’ve never heard of mercenaries??
@@thelordofcringe the end credit scene already teased ww2. The corrupt German guy (played by Daniel Brühl) meets up with a young Adolf Hitler.
I actually gasped when Conrad died and got teary eyed. I think the movie really had a heart to it and a great action thrill Ride feeling. I give it a solid 8 out of 10
Me too, than I started clapping. One less stupid idiot in the story plot. Unfortunately it did not improve much and never finished this drivel.. I guess I'm not a part of MODERN AUDIENCE 😂
Agreed
Conrad’s death was so shocking to me in a great way. A genuinely delicious plot twist rarely seen in modern movies.
Oxford's quest to save King and Empire, and expressing relief that the British Crown didn't meet the same fate as it's mainland counterparts was surprisingly refreshing. Of course that's what that character's goals would be! Pretending any different would have been annoying and contrived.
The WWI sequences, while stylized, were really well done, and the final battle with the villain was excellent.
I absolutely loved the hand-to-hand trench combat scene where they fight the Germans while looking for the intel. I've never seen anything that described the brutality of WW1 so vividly.
Absolutely the best scene in the film
you forgot about the game battlefield 1 ?
1917 and kingsman portray very well the chaotic nature of WW1 where plot armor does not exist.
@@oddballsok bf1 was a lot of fun but it definitely doesn't accurately represent the hand to hand combat that commonly occured with hammers, clubs, shovels, and knives. Bf1 doesn't wrench my gut like watching a young man plead for his life while a knife slowly plunges into his chest. That gets the point across and makes you feel for the character.
@DEZZNUTZ 1001 1917 was one of the best I've seen but it still didn't depict the hand-to-hand combat like this.
Historically, this scene was very accurate and makes the viewer understand how a gung-ho, testosterone addled young man could totally flip his mindset and understand his father's hesitancy to fight.
That one silent fight scene in the night between the trenches was one of the best I’ve seen
Djimon Hounsou is a GREAT actor, but he’s always “that guy” in big budget movies like Guardians of the Galaxy, Fast and Furious 6 or 7 idk, Tarzan, Captain Marvel, Shazam, etc…
He has his niche ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@gorilladisco9108 It’d just be nice to see him play characters again like in Blood Diamond (in which he out-acts DiCaprio btw) because he just doesn’t appear to do that anymore really. Maybe he’s fine with that, but if not it’s a real shame.
@@bencarlson4300 I love Blood Diamond!
@@bencarlson4300 Honestly, while I'd love to see him as the centerpiece in another movie like Blood Diamond, I can say I'm happy with him having these smaller roles with good writing rather than a big film with shit writing. He has been very well casted in all his roles.
When your movie has Juba from Gladiator, some good stuff is probably going to happen.
he was awesome. that Rasputin fight is one of the best fights ive seen in a while
He had a name in Gladiator?
nope it was shit.
Unless it’s Eragon
Not yet, not yet...
This is a franchise that I’d happily watch for several more years. It’s pretty much the only film franchise in the “swashbuckling” genre. Reminds me of the original The Mummy, Pirates of the Caribbean, and the good Bond films.
It's what uncharted was supposed to be.
Go see Uncharted. I saw it an hour ago and it's basically what you describe with a bit of National Treasure, Indiana Jones, and Da Vinci Code thrown in. It's pretty good and entertained me for a couple of hours.
You're off your head, this film is just an absolute woke frenzy pretending to be reasonable. Its dreadful.
@A Nigerian ninja he's what we call a repeater, which is someone who repeats what they heard w.no idea what they're talking about...
@@mikelh.7958 spot on
Spoilers :
My favourite part about this film was seeing Conrad to be a bad ass only to be brutalised and straight up murdered by a soldier on the same side.
Really rammed home how much of a shit show war is
A while back, a professor in a journalism class gave his students an assignment:
Come up with the most dramatic newspaper headline imaginable.
Some of the entries:
Alien Life Found on Mars
Extraterrestrials Visit Earth
Second Coming of Christ Confirmed
Sun To Go Nova This Month, Destroying the Earth
Killer Asteroid Strike Imminent
Etc. etc.
The winner?
Archduke Franz Ferdinand Alive,
World War Fought by Mistake
Great review, Drinker!😁👍
Holy sh*t mate, now THAT is genius! Well played indeed. 👏👏👏
I enjoyed this film, it certainly went in a direction I didn't expect around half way through.
Yeah that no mans land scene is harsh
That different direction it went reminded me of another 3rd film of a franchise that also was a prequel. Underworld: Rise of the Lycans. Both are alright in their own rights.
yes...it was quite the gut punch.
I agree. I didn’t except that twist. I remembered the whole theater screaming.
Conrad am I right?
I loved it. As a history fanatic i enjoyed the movie's play on those events. Plus, the night fight in no man's land was one of the most badass scenes I've seen in a while.
Same here. I really liked the historical references.
I thought it was awesome! I loved the historical nuggets, I had tear in my eye when he started reading Wilfred Owen
I really enjoyed the way they weaved actually historical event into this movies, and Rasputin really stole the show
Rasputin's place in the Romanov Hierarchy was not only illustrious, but worthy of legend.
This murdering monster in the historical account was shot, stabbed, and burned before he went down. But now just out of a "wee" bit of observation, does anyone else notice the word "Putin" in Rasputin? Anybody get an idea that the current Russian Premier is named after two of the MOST feared figures in their respective countries (Hungary and Russia)?
Vlad the Impaler and Rasputin as in Vladamir Putin. Coincidence?
@@deathstrike mostly bullshit ^^
I was struck at how accurate the history was, and that there was an actual representation of "Boer" Concentration camps that the British used. I have never ever seen an image of those on a film.
Indeed hey. And they were not camps for prisoners of war. Civilians - women and children-were kept in those horrific camps.
@@nicholaszaal4902True. They were copied from the Spanish who used them first in Cuba in 1895 under General Valeriano Weyler, basically similar to internment camps to control hostile populations from supporting guerrilla fighters. They in turn got the idea from the US reservations for Native Americans.
The Spanish and British camps had a horrible death toll because of poor sanitation and low rations, especially as there was a policy of less rations if any of your family was out fighting.
The Germans took the idea a step further after crushing a rebellion in their own colonies in 1904, and forced them into camps that weren't used to control a rebellious people, but to literally enslave and exterminate a defeated tribe. It meant they used the inmates as slaves to build railroads, buildings and docks, and undesirables were sent to Shark Island death camp where they were sent specifically to be killed en masse.
*Ngl I want more of these* historically centred Kingsman stories.. you could do a Political Action movie set in Russia around Stalin or a Japanese story centred around the emperor.
The post credits scene potentially hints at more historically inspired stories like this.
@wow You'd think that after 5 in a row copy pasted bot comment, putting a random yes exactly with a link to probably nowhere...
@@emilyrockett1774 I didn't even know this was out, I guess they just didn't want to give it any press since it wasn't the "right" kind of movie for modern Twattle. But if they did do some more historical story based films I'd definitely watch it. Watching how the mantle of policing the world changed from Britain to America would be interesting.
Not gonna lie? Who asked you to?
We also still got WW2 and the Cold War.
Hope they'll make films about that.
2:47 Franz-Ferdinand wasn't the Austria-Hungarian Emperor- he was the Archduke and heir presumptive.
I also like how polly exclusively used guns in her fight scenes. She isn’t physically imposing like the other kingsmen, so she just shoots people
My dad was home in PA from his winter retirement place in Naples Florida and although me and him are very different people… I’m more left leaning, him more right and we don’t share a lot of interests but, we do share a love of cars, WW1 and 2 movies and everything about them as my grand father fought in the Battle of the Bulge in the 778th tank Battalion, and just movies in general so him and I went to see this together and we we’re the only two people in the theatre and it was a really fun time with my dad. I really enjoyed the movie and hangin’ with my pops.
Ralph Fiennes in a Kingsman movie was such a blessing to watch. He was the perfect actor to lead this movie's cast
I would tend to disagree... but Atherton AND Housnou being cast in the two major secondary roles WAS a very good double strike this movie took.
These bots man
@@theketaminekid1241 I just removed a ton of comments from them in this comments section so hopefully Drinker can ban them once he sees those removed, held-for-review comments in UA-cam Studio. I’d ban them myself since I’m a moderator, but UA-cam only allows a channel owner and other people with access to their channel to ban accounts in their comments sections.
The best way to get someone to respect your work is to actually respect *_your_* work; The hacks who push "the message" don't care about their work, they only care about telling other people how bad they are for how they were born, or about giving each other self-righteous high-fives. It's a platform, to them. And what do you do with a platform? You stand on it. And no one respects the thing that sits under your heel.
I ended up looking up a whole bunch of history because of this movie and was surprised at how true to it all it was! Obviously a bit of a passion project for the creator who paid a lot of attention to detail. It was also refreshing to see a movie taking place in this era at all which I don't think I had ever seen before. Thanks for the recommendation! Surprised at the critical score.
This movie was surprisingly good. I half expected it to push “the message” like every other movie nowadays but it left wokeness aside and just told a good story.
What message? I don’t understand this bs yall talk about
What message?....the movie touched on equality, the status of women, nationalism, and the war machine. The same thing you all bitch about in star wars and disney movies. lol
You're a victim to that monster in your head. .
@@urbent3147 If you don't understand then you've already succumbed to the message. God have mercy on your poor soul.
@@guscfer157 eh I'm just tryna invest in etf ATM don't really care
It's anti war and anti colonialism, if that ain't woke nothing is
Honestly that one scene at night when they had to fight hand-to-hand so they wouldn't get shredded by machine gun fire was fucking mind-blowing
Franz Ferdinand was not the Emperor. He was the Heir.
He was also the only guy that was trying to keep Europe from falling into war. Conrad von Hötzendorf was the Austrian general that was pushing to have a tighter grip on Serbia while Ferdinand was the only balancing power player that wanted to keep peace with Serbia. Once Ferdinand was killed Hötzendorf had a clear path to start the war and he then bungled it horribly.
Arch-Duke
As well as the owner of one fantastic mustache.
From a historical perspective, it wasn’t ridiculously off. I loved it when I was sitting in the theater with my brother, another history nerd, and the Rasputin fight was happening. He gets stabbed at one point and falls in water. I lean over to my brother and say “the only thing that killed Rasputin was a bullet.” To then watch him resurrect himself to get domed. I nearly died of shock due to a history fan dopamine overdose.
Honestly, the only part of this film I enjoyed was the Rasputin fight. The WW1 plot line felt like it was a waste of run time and killed the mood/tone/pacing of the film.
I’m surprised you didn’t have anything more to say about the Villain’s motivations, considering.
Rasputin was easily the best part of this movie, love that absolute man.
Pity the writers didn't know that and killed him off half-way through. Lucas, for all his faults, kept Darth Maul alive to the end.
There should've at least been a confrontation with yusopov, who was an informant in the movie and was the person who organized and carried out the assassination of Rasputin
I don’t get how the main villain had power over everyone? Like why were they scared of him? He didn’t seem to have a big army or lots of money or a bigger organization above him. They could have all just said fuck you i,m going home and doing what I want.
@@britsquaddie78 Literally Rasputin could've easily beat him in a fight but you know, Movie gotta movie
@@britsquaddie78 Loyalty requires no reason.
Maybe the Shepard didn't had anything to make him into the boss but the others saw something in him and he had the drive and intellect to reach his objective. Infiltrating people in positions of trust like that must have required solid planning and years of almost flawless execution.
looking back on the sequel, a prequel was probably a good idea. Accept the mistake and find a new avenue for a good concept, good strategy.
The sequel to Kingsmen actually made me angry. Such a huge letdown from the 1st one. And I thought it ruined what could of been a great franchise. Thankfully, this prequel brought it back.
@DEZZNUTZ 1001 You don't get out much. It wasn't great, and it was far less impressive than the original, but definitely not one of the 25 worst films of the last 5 years.
@@TheRobmcknz And lets be real her it's a spy movie they can bring back literally everybody that supposedly died including Merlin and Lancelot.
Just watched, really enjoyed. Spot on with your review. Wife and I bother laughed at your reaction to the 'big reveal'. Summed it up perfectly.
Your reviews are so good that I've caught myself re-watching some of them recently. Not the movies. Your reviews. Thank you for your work.
I watched this movie a week or so ago, and was bracing for “the message “ to pop up. I was pleasantly surprised by how good this movie was.
I wasn’t expecting it to be so funny. The lead up to the Rasputin fight had me rollllling. It def peaked there but I enjoyed it as a whole none the less
Drinker's suggestion that it DIDN'T push 'the message' is laughable. You have anti-colonialism, the 'noble' anti-British, British 'war crimes', the heroic Black African and ineffectual males mansplaining to a 'better' woman ALL IN THE FIRST SCENE. Other 'message' pushing is Victoria supposedly 'only' person stopping war between toxic males, the 'female' and the Black hero THREE times saving the rich, white guys... the list goes on.
@@ragnardanneskjold6509 Jesus Christ. You lot must be possessed or something. You don’t know the difference between something that is ‘woke’ and just goofy scenes.
@@joshua2870 Please inform me of the anti-British, anti-Colonial sentiments in KM1. Let us all know the 5 separate occasions the main 'girl' saved the main 'men' in KM1?
Jesus Christ. You lot must be blind or something. You don't know the difference between something that is poorly written and something that is poor due to characters being UNABLE to be flawed cos of Message-Pushing
@@ragnardanneskjold6509 you people are just sad, can’t you just enjoy something for once
Their dancing Rasputin made for an intriguing character with a memorable performance. Made me want to go refresh my memory on the historical facts and tales about him.
Fun fact Rasputin is a chain of music stores in northern California and also a brand of imperial stout also made in northern California.
Best of the bunch IMO. The action wasn't JUST silly fun and the pacing was finally justified, you're building up to the eventual Kingsman formation. Would definitely watch a direct sequel to this one.
Rasputin was one of the coolest villans Ive seen in a recent movies but he got one fight and a couple cameos and that was it, it feels like they just wasted all that potential
I was totally surprised with this movie, the trailers made it seem like a fish out of water comedy, but it was such a great dark comedy. It was fun, exciting, shocking, and emotional.
It got stupid halfway thru because that death makes absolutely no fucking sense I convinced myself that it was all a dream or a vision.
@@zZiL341yRj736 Yeah! That death felt put in purely for the sake of shock factor. I mean, what did it change?
I loathe prequels so I had zero interest in watching this. But after hearing what The Drinker had to say, I might have to actually watch it.
@@omega40k This might be a prequel, but it has nothing at all to do with the "sequels". Not until pretty much the final scene.
@@zZiL341yRj736 how was it stupid
"The idea of a secret cabal manipulating important political figures across Europe to trigger the first world war is the stuff of pure fantasy"
That was just a really good joke...right Drinker?....RIGHT?!
Your name says too much about your personality 😂
Geopolitics doesn’t care about your conspiracies
@@markm2092 the conspiracies of the families running central banks on the other hand...
@@markm2092 and yet? thats how it played out
@@ootmaster1 is the earth also flat?
My teenage son is a serious nerd, which I say with the greatest of respect. Last year, in 8th grade, he wrote a book report on an 800+ page biography of Rasputin, in whom he had developed an interest whilst delving into why movies have the “Any resemblance to any person, living or dead” disclaimer. And, yeah, Rasputin figures prominent in that.
So we caught him up with the first two movies, because he was interested when he saw the ads, and because of there’s one thing the boy loves in a movie, it’s a well choreographed fight scene, of which these movies are crammed full, because Wednesday night’s all right for fighting. 🙂.
Anyway, turns out he knew more than the biography of Rasputin. He sat there in the theater, which was not too crowded on a weekday afternoon, and informed me as to which scenes were historically accurate and which were not. Turns out he’s very interested in WWI, as well.
Beyond the obvious conspiracies silliness, it’s actually quite accurate, down to the manner in which Gavrilo Princip dispatched the Archduke. It was a lot of fun to see. It’s not as humorous as the first two, but it packs more of an emotional punch. More even than “Country Roads,” which we all sang in horrible accents.
YOU know when you enter an upscale bar with shiny antiques on the walls, you may be in for a Kingsmen interview.
"a deranged billionaire wiping out most of the worlds population" that aged well
A bit on the ECHOESnose
I feel like that’s most billionaires these days. Gates, Bezos, Zuckerberg, Soros; they’re all dark overlords manipulating the masses for their own nefarious goals. But let’s not focus on that; just consume product and then get excited for the next product.
@@Garrus1995 Granted, most of them don't have their finger on the trigger of an entire nuclear arsenal...
@@Garrus1995 How are you just 5 years older than me (according to your username), yet talk like the dementia patients in my nursing home?
So a few hundred nobodies?
i love how kingsmen kind of throws reality out the window and makes so many creative, fun gadgets and action sequences
The way this movie dealt with history drove me insane when I saw it. The secret group was supper stupid, the way the Zimmerman telegram was handled was wrong, and the fact that they made it seem like the war ended the second the US joined instead of a year later was infuriating.
* Super
Soon as Russia was out and the US was in, it pretty much was over. It just took a year for the Central Powers to get the message.
@@iamafish7 You did have I believe five final offensives by the germans against the allies in a desperate attempt to punch a hole before the US came in force which was important to the end of the war. You are correct it was basically a forgone conclusion at that point, but it was still an important part of the war.
Dude it's a Kingsman movie, what did you expect?! They're action-comedies
I mean it's weirder that France simply didn't exist when the trench warfare actually was mainly between France and Germany
This series does a great job of almost being a parody of the Iconic Bond Tropes like Eccentric Villians like with Equally Eccentric Sidekicks,An Evil Lair in a diverse Beautiful location and Unique Gadgets,but then it takes it all seriously and commits to the ideas the set up.
For some reason the Bond Films feel like they've gotten too serious while forgetting to have some fun.
Moments I loved included the Night Time Trench Knife Fight scene,the Duels against Rasputin and the Shepard, and any scene with Shola,and man that Mid Credits stinger with Hitler honestly has left me more anticipated for the series going ahead.
The conrad twist was something i absolutely did NOT expect
Also merlin with his sword looked soo badass
I somehow did. He just wasn't a likeable character or an interesting enough actor. They should have given the role to a better known actor.
I like how they took the phrase “manners maketh the man” from a bad guy. And this movie did have a chance to be a Tremors or Ant Man 1 type of movie surprise, but there are worse things this movie could have been. It was a fun movie for PPV.
Rasputin will haunt my nightmares for years to come.
@@erikhermansen3431 You know, you did NOT have to mention him. 😂
@@erikhermansen3431 dude knew how to use a tongue...
I like that Rasputin actually fixed his bad leg. But, well, a King's man has gotta do what he gotta do.
@@erikhermansen3431 The Rasputin fight was the highlight of the movie. And the silent knife fight in no man's land was a close second. Everything else was tiresome.
Well thank you kind sir I didn’t think that I would wanna watch it but after hearing your review I will go and check it out! thanks again I enjoy your program a lot keep up the good work
The silent fight seen between the allied and axis trenches was masterful. Fucking brilliant idea.
Agreed, though I would've preferred more Rasputin in the film. He chewed the scenery in basically every scene he was in and will be the most memorable bad guy from the shady cabal in the film.
He was the absolute best part in the movie and after he got taken out it really lost a lot of monentum.
When I saw the first trailer I was convinced that he would be the main antagonist, either pulling the strings that lead to WW1 or using the war as a diversion for something else
@@kokowheeli6053 The only “flaw” with Rasputin in the film was that he was too obvious to be the main villain. But I sure would have liked more scenes with him.
@@Zeburaman2005 sometimes obviousness is good.
@@meurumtrain4747 Oh, don’t get me wrong, I would have loved for the story to go into more outlandish territory, instead of sticking as close to historical realism. Something akin to the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen comics with over the top villains and alternate timelines would be right up alley. It just wouldn’t gel with The Kingsmen IP, but I could see Vaughn pulling off a similar wacky action movie.
You know I am a child of the 90's, I remember seeing the English Patient as a kid and being like man, whoever that guy is. He can ACT. And to this day, to this very day he has not let up one bit.
That was a good film
The reason I loved the first and this Kingsman is how despite how fun and over the top it is it still is kept authentic. Conrad goes to Sandhurst and gains a commission in a real regiment. He disguises amongst a real regiment. Many of the weapons are authentic and it all adds for a good fun film.
The Wilfred Owen poem was a real nice touch to this film.
I'll be honest, I came into the movie expecting it to be meh, I was just there to see the Rasputin fight. But man was I pleasantly surprised by the rest of the movie. It was so nice to see a movie just be a movie again. No forced political or social message forced down my throat. And just some nicely done action scenes.
You didn't notice the woman saving everyone's ass, being better at everything than everyone in multiple disciplines?
@@jon4715 when?
@@jon4715 shes better at baking
@@jon4715 wasn’t that more of a “just use gun instead of a blade”.
But guess the woman just pisses you off so much you can’t see that.
@@baizuo_6246 I didn't mind her character, but twice she interrupted contentious fights and ended them instantaneously. Okay, that's fine, playing a bit of a hardass nanny type with a bunch of rambunctious boys. That fine if it's her character, she's a combat specialist. But, oh now she is also a genius code-breaker? My eyes couldn't have rolled harder. It was straight out of a hard-parody.
Saw the twist a mile away. Secretary gets "sick" and isn't in the room when the ship blows up?
The Rasputin fight was fun to watch and the peak of the film for me.
I agree. I think he should've been the main villain. When they revealed the secretary as the leader of the cabal I literally didn't know who he was 😅
@@delluge7274 literally?
I really liked it. It's actually my favourite of the three. I liked the alternate-history angle, and I appreciated that it was a bit more serious and emotional than the previous movies, whilst keeping the cool OTT action.
1:15 "Who am I kidding? I can barely remember what I did yesterday..." Yup, member of that club 🥃🤣
All the WW1 historical tie ins had me giggling like a schoolgirl and the Rasputin fight scene was just plain awesome. I watched it with my daughter and whether she liked it or not gave her a history lesson for each historical reference.
They did a surprisingly good job portraying the sheer idiocy and nightmarish hellscape that was WW1.
Same but with my uncle cuz I saw it with him. I'm a history nerd
That's a great thing to do!!!
I was geeking out too, my friend.
Always great to see Raphe Fienes in anything. And considering how his role as ‘M’ was a bit underwhelming in ‘No time to die’ .. it’s terrific to see him kick ass and take names.
Fiennes is such a fine (heh) actor! People anymore remember him as Voldemort, but I know a half dozen other roles he's been in that he's always put his heart and soul into. Glad to see they gave him material worthy of his skill.
He’s a great actor and I feel he doesn’t get as much recognition as he deserves. Guy was downright terrifying in Schindler’s List but then he can be hilarious in a movie like In Bruges. And who could forget that he was He Who Shall Not Be Named in the Harry Potter films.
Thoroughly enjoyed this film. Keep putting out these reviews Drinker. Cheers!
I really want to watch this movie now, almost entirely on the basis of your appraisal.
Hats off drinker, you scholar!
this move had serious balls killing conrad it caught everyone in the theater off guard
I knew he was going to be killed off but not like how it went down
Was pretty obvious, must’ve flopped so hard that the only ones who saw it in theaters had low IQ
I expected him to die and be replaced by that maid broad. I really didn't like her except in the last part
Thanks for dropping a spoiler like that without warning (I already saw the movie, but still pretty reckless of you ...)
@@tomasstana5423 then why would anyone who hasn’t seen it watch this entire video?
Even thought I found it inferior compared to the first film, I found it throughly enjoyable and felt genuinely invested in the characters.
Great review. I'm looking forward to seeing this movie.
I like how the villain is basically "One *REALLY* Angry Scotsman"
King's Man was refreshing without all the current over politicization.
The film was terrible. It had a couple good scenes like the Rasputin and No-Mans Land fight sequences, but it was overall rubbish.
@@sopronunciareglignocchi7255 after the first main characters death it turned to shit
@@GlizzyGoblin757
I thought it was bad from the get-go. That death was so ludicrous and ill-worked up to, that it was accidentally hilarious to me.
@DEZZNUTZ 1001 Dude,there was like one black guy in the entire movie and one female main character
It’s fun, like a “Discount” Bond Flick
To be fair, even Bond's a discount Bond Flick these days 😕
For the record, that was not a POW camp but a concentration camp, a novelty invented by the Brits during the Second Boer War. Skeletal-looking women and children are clearly visible behind a bard-wired fence in the camp scenes.
I really enjoyed this film - it subverted my expectations in many ways, and I like war-themed historical fiction, especially if it is done right. Now, I did actually figure out who the villain was simply because he “died” off-screen, and that kind of took the oomph out of the reveal, though I have to say Matthew Goode is quite good at accents and so I didn’t suspect him before that. Also, I had to laugh when you mentioned the lack of historical knowledge of the general public. I still remember years ago my mum was watching that show Dancing with the Stars, and the host mentioned something or other about Napoleon to this celebrity teen, and she exclaimed “who’s that?”. It was one of the many instances that caused me to lose hope in humanity.
After making Colin Firth into an action hero equal to Bond in the first film, Ralph Fiennes isn't much more of a stretch.
My complaints about the film are pretty much the same. A plot that felt like two films instead of one, pacing issues, and a weak villain who's identity I copped after the first 20 or so minutes.
That being said the film, while by no means perfect, I still would call good in spite of it's short comings, and that's thanks in large part to the writing of the Characters. Oxford especially. His development in the movie was well handled. And that midnight fight in No Man's Land was brutal.
I don’t know, Gemma Arterton’s character felt like a complete Mary Sue to me. She’s better than cryptographers and good at fighting, has no flaws and yet comes off as arrogant and rude. And she did save incompetent male characters in Rasputin fight
Her fappening leaks were some of the best so her character gets a pass :P
And she's the typical rude, condescending, holier than thou female that doesn't respect anyone, even though she just the nanny in a duke's household, specially in a time where people were much more respectful and proper
Which was why I was glad she didn’t join the other two up the mountain. She just wouldn’t have had the physical ability and speed to fight the Shepherd in a swordfight, nowhere near the same level of close quarters aptitude as with Merlin.
@@PappityPaps just a nanny in a Dukes house? She's the head agent of the Dukes spy agency, and de facto lady of the house.
And nanny's to the upper classes, especially back in those days, were incredibly bossy to almost everyone when going about their business - including the fathers. She was hardly that. There's a reason busybody laws about behaviour are called "nanny state" and it is that ordering people around!
Correct. This entire film was 2 hours of American-Liberal-Arts-College-Grievance-Studies-Major fantasy wet dream.
Drinker's been blinded by a Scottish accent again - he probably thinks Highlander is a good film.
I secretly wish that there was a deleted scene with Conrad running across no-man's land, then pan over to see Wonder Woman crossing it at the same time off in the distance.
I'm really glad you liked it. I really liked it too - just stupid fun and very inventive putting a story around some unexplained events in an unbelievably rich period of history.
Thank you for filling my morning coffee with a bit of rational thinking in this muddled world. Cheers to you man.
I don't get that a lot of people on social media crapped on this movie, it was a really fun alternative history ROMP. Sometimes a romp is all ya need.
My biggest problem was that it had too many plots. I get it wanted to cover all of world war 1 events, but was the point of his son's story for instance? It was obvious that it had no importance in creating the Kingsman
It was lost in plots and subplots, it was a good fifteen minutes too long and none of the actors really give a killer performance a-la-Colin Firth back in 2015.
the amount of stupid fucking takes is insane indeed lmao
It's a social media, what did you expect?
What is a ROMP?
You saying eh summed up the big reveal so well like i was like “wait who was that again?”
I absolutely loved Rasputin in this movie. My favorite modern movie villain in many years!
I liked it too, and was impressed at how much historical "accuracy" they put in. However, I was disappointed you couldn't sneak in a image of Klaus Schwab or Blair at the WEF when you said "secret cabal manipulating important political figures across Europe ... is the stuff of pure fantasy" :D
Too kosher for Hollyweird.
This movie is trying to imply the US intervention in WW1 is a "good thing". This should tell you everything you need to know. Just a fancy spin on the same BS we've been peddled for about a 100 years.
Historical accuracy? None of the plot points in it made any sense given the historical reality. US really wasn't the reason Britain and France beat Germany in the west for example
@Alexi Monterrey excuse me what? source???
@Alexi Monterrey Oh ok then so the typical "Im going to make an insane and downright ludicrous claim, then tell people to do their own research."
I don't even know why I'm bothering to even give you a second thought but please, enlighten me, where would one go if not the internet?
This film was reasonably promoted on UA-cam. I recall seeing it available in my local theaters but, having not been able to muster any interest in seeing the sequel in its day, I found myself I found myself in the same position here. I very much enjoyed the original film though.
My favorite part of the film is when they fought against Rasputin that was one of the coolest blade fight I have seen in a film in a long time since kill Bill 1 and 2
Nice to know not every film franchise has ben ruined ... yet!
Dude I was expecting the same as the other 2. This one got serious quick. Caught me off guard. Good flick but a bit heavy for what I sat for.
@🏔️ Everest 🏔️ Please stop spamming.
Hey CD and everyone... I just wanted to say about The King’s Man; that as a daughter and only kid to my parents, I thought this film was a lovely depiction of a father-and-son relationship through that of fatherhood and sonhood.
As of right now, my Pop hasn't gotten his chance yet to watch The King’s Man. I hope he gets the opportunity to watch the film this week, as I think he will really enjoy it.
Anywho...
I just wanted to add in my perspective on this film, from that as an only child but as an only daughter child to my father, aka Dad.
Ps: have a great Monday, everyone, and a wonderful 9th week of 2022. Later!
Great film. Makes sense, origin story that doesn’t stomp on the original. Gets some message in but doesn’t Labour the point. Great payoff at the end. Not sure the SNP would be happy though!!
The “silent” knife fight scene with conrad and the germans was intense! Loved that part 👌🏼
If both sides knew they had troops out there, why would they open fire on them? That made no sense