I like to imagine that Drinker gets so hammered that he doesn't remember anything when he gets sober, and doesn't even know he has a UA-cam channel. He just constantly wonders why he gets a tidy little check in the mail every month. Maybe he watches this channel, too. Who knows.
Yeah, I just recently saw it on the big screen as a re-release in a foreign country. I was expecting some post-feminist feminist claptrap like . . . "Captain America"???
Yea and tho she fights ares and there are tones of feminism, it isn't shoved down our fucking throats and it's not that every single man is some idiotic bad guy who has a superiority complex. Like christ.
It's a decent yarn but the praise it gets is ridiculous. The whole movie was very average in every aspect and WW was so naive and dumb the whole way through. Justice league was pretty similar in it being an average movie.
To truly enjoy a hero they must be challenged throughout the story only to think they cannot defeat the foe and they dig deep and battle valiantly in order to defeat the antagonist. Modern Hero movies don't understand that concept
@@aahnecroth that's already assumed, i'm so tired of correcting people who type like this just because they're ghetto, or those who can't spell because they just type in emojis altogether
Two thoughts always bothered me throughout the movie: 1) Diana's shield is way too small to be effective against massed gunfire and 2) Why the hell would Ares want to kill all humans? He is the God of War after all. No more people = no more war. He motivation is inconsistent, at best.
I bet originally David Thewlis' character was supposed to be Friedrich Alfred "Fritz" Krupp, sole proprietor of the Krupp Steelworks, the heart of the German military-industrial complex. Look at Fritz' picture from Wikipedia, and tell me that wasn't who Thewlis is supposed to look like. But, you couldn't have a homosexual as a villain in a modern Hollywood movie, that would go against The Message(TM).
@@potatowaffle5653 I think you are the one who needs help with basic understanding. In the movie Ares goal is not a war, but to wipe out humanity, which makes no sense. If Ares is the God of War and he succeeds, then there would be no more wars because nobody would be around to fight in them. No more war = no more power for Ares.
Fun fact about this film is that Steve is the real hero: no super power, very fragile against a numerous enemies, selfless, focused on the mission which will save millions, knows his limitations and was willing to sacriface himself knowing the cost of it.
Not a current year thing. There have been shit tons of failed projects due to RUSHING things in cinema for decades. The only impression you get on 'today' in regards to writing hard, rush it to half-ass to get out, It's just there a lot of bad examples on people's minds this year: like Game of Thrones.
@@adrianbundy3249 True. Let's face it there has always been bad writing but those movies never had high production value either. It's like we're getting an inverse relation ship these days. The past: Bad writing, low production. Present: high production, bad writing. It's weird.
I think most of these questions are answered in the context of the film and the motives of the characters.. I also think you can apply these questions to any film that’s based on a story with a dense history. Ares was around to push certain people who already had bad intents. Just a small nudge to get them going. He was lying to Diana about a better world, obviously. Still better than 90% of MCU films.
@@samuraigundam0079 The person who says WW is better than 90% of MCU films is probably a fanboy, who wants to pretend "marvel is for kids you see!" without an objective view of reality. The deeper meaning, adult themes where they have happened in the MCU, have been more profound on average than anything in the DCEU to date; they are for everyone, and yes - as an adult, I like jokes, even when I am in a shit day, I can want cheering up, dark humor or gallows humor is lost on some of the deluded fanbois out there. The decidedly average WW was probably the fourth best of it's franchise, after Man of Steel(great), Aquaman(good to great) and Shazaam(good). But at least it is watchable unlike the other 50% of that garbage. It had some legit great moments. Why do I consider it average? Too cliche, overhyped visuals (the trench scene is hardly worth the praise heaped on it, and leaves too many silly issues). But you are right on one thing: I do find this video laying a lot of different types of criticisms that are rampant in a vast number of other hollywood projects these days. And no - Ares is still a shit villain, even if you make sense of his 'motive, he was just nudging evil people along'.
The Doom From Latveria I didn’t say those MCU films weren’t enjoyable, just not very good movies. You’re right, I don’t like Jokey dialogue in place of character development. It’s a cheap disingenuous method that cheats the audience from really knowing the characters as individuals, and robs the story of any true narrative tension. Everything these characters think, feel and want - when not overtly obvious - is told to you directly by the character, whereas DC movies usually have their characters express these things through more indirect dialogue and their actions. People still bitch about the “Martha” scene in BVS to this day. I wouldn’t put Ares as a great villain, but compared to villains like Ultron, Crossbones, Red Skull, etc.(as they’re depicted n the MCU), at least he had a subtle, more thoughtful approach in his role, unlike a good amount of MCU villains, who can’t help but be so one note exaggerated in their behavior, and who’s goal is almost always taking over the world. I’ll give Disney some credit for making Thanos a more complex villain, though he still stands in a long line of MCU villains who aren’t directly killed in a real way by a hero. No, disintegration doesn’t count. Kudos to Black Panther for getting his hands dirty. Although, if we’re talking about overhyped...
Ares arranging the armistice actually makes a strange sort of sense, since the Treaty of Versailles was so punitive and generated so much ill will in Germany that it may have helped cause the outbreak of World War II, which was a more catastrophic and widespread conflict. But I don't know if I can give the film that kind of credit.
considering the fighting stopped after ares died, I dont think world war 2 happened. Also ares isn't smart enough to think anything like that. He isn't athena
I have one tiny question as a ww1 nerd: who tf is that German General guy?! I think he’s meant to be General Erich Ludendorff, but this actor looks nothing like him! I know because this guy can fight Diana head-on, while the real guy was an old-ass man that couldn’t bend over, much less fight an Amazon!
i think thats the plan, like take alook at what happened after ww1, it was the root of ww2, which had roots to many conflicts happening today,like never ending proxy wars in the middle east, and the god of war planned for this type of destruction and suffering but instead he died, but his influence continued on becoming a slightly more peaceful version when wonder woman killed him, idk really just stuff i thought about, this never probably got into the writer's head anyways
The 1970s Wonder Woman TV show was arguably the first time the super hero genre had been fully realized. It was faithful to the source material in both casting and costume. It also had high production values, a dutiful stuntwoman, and it wasn't played for laughs. The show wasn't perfect, but it's deserving of more respect than you're giving it. Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman and Christopher Reeve's Superman are the foundation on which today's super hero television and movies are built on.
So what? It's capeshit. Who cares if it was the first time it was "realized"? It's childish, shallow nonsense for manchildren then and it still is now.
@@hammondOT who cares it worked for the time period it was made. people 40 years from now will probably think the mcu is childish garbage because it will be outdated so what’s ur point?
I always wondered (see what I did there) about the size of the gap between her legs when she was wearing the Wonder Woman costume. As a kid, I didn't notice but as an adult...whoa.
@@apersonofinterest i had to google this "gap" you were talking about. saw it. yeah. whaoh. I cant unsee it. that's all i see when open google images. that, and how far in her waist goes. Truly, she had a perfect comic book body....it's seems completely like it shouldnt exist....but....there she is. a real person with a comic book body. (Even Arnold's Conan wasnt as massive as the comic book Conan)
I discovered him after seeing his review on the last several episodes of the raging shits that was GoT. And yeah, he is easily the most hilarious dude on UA-cam. And he has a brilliant understanding of story. His analysis helps me with my own writing.
In the comics, at least in the 1940s, Wonder Woman’s island was technologically advanced. They had a ray gun that healed all of Steve’s injuries and the Amazons were aware of the outside world. She even did a competition to send Steve back to his world. It was only in the 1980s and onward that they decided to go a more primitive route.
Why would the god of war want peace? It's one of the rules of acquisition. "Every now and then, declare peace; it'll confuse the hell out of your enemies."
In mythology Ares is the god of war: destructive, brutish war. War for the sake of war. While Athena was the goddess of war, thinking war, strategy. Augustin once said the goal of war should be peace. The ancients understood things better than we do today more often than not.
@@DarthPlato ironically Ares fought for Troy, which is mythologized to be the ancestors of the Romans, making Ares the true god of long run strategy and wars of attrition
And the Atlantis story just has Sparta (Aresland) pretending to be Athens, making Ares an actual agent of defiance and war to preserve peace against an overwhelming aggressor .
yup. confusion and corruption of the will is the m.o. of the advocates of hell. like the binary-mindset wich pushes people to think of 2 opposite solutions instead of pondering more paths. and its way easier to control people when both "solutions" are manufactured by those who created the problem.
The thing with Ares brokering a peace treaty actually makes sense. The Treaty of Versailles was so harsh on Germany that it helped to cause WW2. Also, during several wars throughout history the fighting has gotten so bad or gone on for so long that both sides have temporarily stopped fighting and helped each other, so everyone "hugging it out" at the end is actually believable.
for the age btw, Maybe a bit like saiyans, they grow fast from kid to adult. Then when they reach that age they slow down and stay that age longer for battle, but they do still get older. That is all i can think of for that
I mean if we're questioning that we should question the aging of every God in every existing mythology. He's really reaching with this point while missing like every real problem this movie has.
@@HateshWarkio Doesnt hasten the fact that she is a warrior. Her island literally killed a boat load of guys. She doesn't have this no kill rule like Superman or Batman. And that actually adds to the complexity of what it is to " fight for humanity ". How would she know that these guys were under eighteen and were forced in their military. It was not until after the fight that steve and his crew revealed that they were just ordinary men fighting a war cause they had to. She is naive throughout the entire film doing crap on the fly just to get to " ares ".
@@liemduong6729 considering these are her first real fights and battles, she doesn't stop and think for a second, she just slaughters them. Because as we all know when you get into your first real battle you are already a killing machine. And even afterwards she continues to do so. At most you can say that her naive side is actually right because in the end she ends up fighting Ares to stop the war. Also it's kinda weird that the only human she actually spares is the woman who made those poisonous gases. That gal probably continued doing exactly that during WW2. The point of this isn't to say that she shouldn't kill. The point is that she should react to killing. btw The no-kill rule? Neither Batman or Superman have that rule in this franchise.
@@HateshWarkio Which is also a big problem. With Superman it actually was there sort of, just not exposed enough. Still has more exposure to it than a 40 year old Batman jesus. But yea even so after that moment that she realizes the core problem, I would expect her to not bash people with her shield.
I don't know, I wouldn't say it was great but I for sure loved the first two acts, but the final act was a major let down, they also made a mistake by killing of Chris Pines character their chemistry is a big part of what made the movie good.
I don’t think it’s fair to criticise the Amazonian’s lack of technological advancement. Sub Saharan-Africa, the Americas and Australia are great examples of how technological stagnation can occur when you have little to no contact with the rest of the world and are left without any form of conflict like occurred in North Africa, the Middle East, east-Asia, and Europe.
No it's not WAR that spurred progress. It's speeding up your GDP growth by a factor of 20 or more from subjugating entire continents' worth of oppressed colonies. War was in no shortage even BEFORE 1500s, that didn't spur progress. The fall of Rome to war didn't spur progress, it stifled it into a Dark Age in Western Europe (I know the Dark Ages aren't as Dark as some people might have thought, but still it was a post-collapse.) Only in the age of overseas colonies do you suddenly see an unprecedented "progress" because all the dirty serfdoms and brutality were relegated to overseas colonies and the people back in the colonial hub in Europe got cheaper goods that saved them time and money that they can use to educate themselves. You need peasants and serfs for the lord to maintain his lifestyle, right? Now for this society, give the underlings access to cheaper goods by factories. Oh wait, technology wasn't advanced enough to make factories yet? Then make do with people treated like machinery (not directly owned by them, just like the average citizen still doesn't own factories today). Note how American civilizations were not able to progress far without something to create lots of labor for them. Livestock of burden. The profits gained from that would allow them to further expand the social pyramid until they get enough profits to research machinery to replace slaves and with their use of outmatched by machine efficiency for the first time, repurpose them into taxpaying citizens and soldiers you can trust not to revolt once they are given guns to protect their own wealth. Consider the Indians love Germany for allowing them to break free from the English chains after 300 years, and 5000 of them even went to Europe to fight under Hitler as the Free Indian Legion to speed up the emancipation of their 1 billion people. Why should they care some Aryans supermen are going to show the inferior white Europeans what those Europeans have said about White burden uplifting the colored peoples? When right during WW2 England killed 7 million Indians and when their colonies weren't enough, invaded Persia (Iran) in 1942 to expand their colonial oppression? (Btw Neonazis are not Nazis, but more akin to the European enemies the Nazis were fighting, the Neonazis' colonialist forefathers concerned with keeping colored people under the imperial boots. Just misappropriating Nazi imagery because it has become the boogeyman in Western culture, not because Nazis were actually interested in conquering other continents like Britain and France were so eager to... and still were eager after WW2 as English killed 1 million in their Concentration Camps in the 1950-58 Kenyan War for Independence and France killed 2million for Algerian War for Independence. Hmmm that reminds me the real butcher of Vietnam was the Japanese killing the same amount of 2 million between 1940 and 1945, only stopped because of the American nukes 1 billion Asians were cheering for.) Why should the Ukrainians care about what grievances other countries have about Hitler? Their primary concern was Stalin killing 7 million of them, so 50,000 men signed up to be part of Germany's "East Legions," along with Siberian peoples of the same sentiment running from the Soviet Union to take part in putting Stalin down and freeing their people. (The Indian nation was broken down into several as the English left and tried to disseminate unrest and chaos though.)
The real question is how the hell did she manage to put that sword in there. I mean, taking into account its length, you know dam well the tip of it was not going to end up in her waist line.
+ Six Turning Four Burning THANK YOU! This has bugged me forever, yet this is the first time in all my reading into Wonder Woman critiques that I have ever seen anyone mention it. To me, this is one of the biggest dropped balls in the film. Always made me crazy. Glad to finally see I wasn't the only one who ever apparently noticed it.
I think the aging works something like this. They age somewhat normally until they reach their physical prime and that's when their aging slows down. It doesn't stop, but like...they age SUPER slowly...I think that's how it works...idk
the reason I've seen this movie 5 times already As for what is the movie about ? ...so I watch these "explanations" videos of 15 to 30 minutes and still have not clue , just: Ass , legs, tits and something that starts with "V ?
I honestly think the movie would have been better if Steve had been Ares in disguise: It would have explained how he got through the Amazon’s shields, divine power, it would have set up a nice little conflict at the end when Ares reveals himself and it would explain the oddly sinister vibe the character has.
I like that idea. It would have been a really good reason why she turned her back on humanity for a long time. The one person she trusted and grew to love ended up being her enemy, that they manipulated her, used her and she had to kill him to save humanity. How can she trust anyone now without the fear of them being her enemy, the possibility of breaking her heart again?
this would have been excellent, especially if Ares was training WW to be more war like, like the humans, and to be willing to participate in human wars. Steve could be the one to convince her of her need to get involved. All the while Steve being Ares, to train her outside of her original training because it is her destiny to stand next to him. That would have made for excellent character development.
My take on the end is that Diana finally became mature and fully aware of what she is capable of with her powers. She had that capability since birth; her mother kept it muted.
My biggest problem with this movie was that when it goes into a flashback with Ares and Zeus, Ares is still some British dude with his flat hair and a mustache. Like, accent and all, full on British dude thousands of years ago 0-0.
I mean if you were going to make a God of War character in a movie, doesn't it make sense to make him British? **puts the guy tapping on his head meme**
Nope, he was originally supposed to be Friedrich Alfred "Fritz" Krupp, sole proprietor of Krupp Steelworks, "The Reich's Armorer", and grand-daddy of the whole Military-Industrial Complex. (Seriously, look him up on Wikipedia. The picture fits Thewlis to a "T"). But, he was also homosexual, so according to The Message(TM) can't be the villain of a modern Hollywood movie.
Gotta be honest the "power of love" thing at the end pissed me off more than you. Tens of thousands of soldiers fighting a war for 4 gruelling years and apparently all they really needed was to hug it out. It's senseless and a bit insulting. I would have preferred that the backstory provided at the beginning was actually Zeus lying his ass off; then Aries tells WW that humans fight each other because their creators fight each other, so hard in fact that they destroyed each other. Zeus blamed Aries because, well who else do you blame for internal conflict ending your pantheon, the god of basket weaving? It turns out Aries didn't manipulate people into fighting another, he's just the supervisor making the whole thing more efficient and regulated; Giving continuous conflict a definitive end, defining war crimes and terms of engagement and designing tactical measures to reduce overall casualty, you know things that make war _war_ and not senseless violence? Edit: revised comprehension
I thought a good line for Aries would've been: "My power comes from *them*, not the other way around. I'm their democratically elected representative, after all."
Yes--World War One is the most complex war in the history of mankind, completely unlike anything that came before. Not even WW2 compares. It's not surprising that moviemakers would not understand this.
Yeah, no way if all the soldiers hugged each other how that would stop them from fighting. So womanly. The manly thing to do is to find a bunch of sparkly stones, stick them on a glove, then snap your fingers. Now that's how you win! C'mon man, it's all b.s. crap if you're gonna compare it to real world motivations too much. Relax, it may not have been your thing, but that movie was fun too.
The deceitfulness of human nature was an awesome message, and they totally undercut it with the Ares reveal at the end. Such a great setup and no payoff.
@Shazbot81 yeah like a lasso that makes people tell the truth plus bracers of repelling. Maybe an indestructible shield that can block a tank shell head on? Oh wait. What did you expect Zeus to give to Wonder Woman when he created her out of clay around 50 b.c.? A space age jet with a hyperdrive that comes with optional infinite power and plot armor if it ever explodes? This isn't Captain Marvel.
As far as I remember no one else on the island is shown to have super powers but ww is totally unaware that she’s the weapon and if they did have powers why did women die on the beach, Wonder Woman is fast enough to stop bullets like 20 mins later. Looks like they tried avoiding this hole by not showing her growing up...and wouldn’t she automatically be better then everyone with little training as she’s likely to rely on super strength, speed and that wave thing (how does she not know what a watch is it looks exactly like a small sundial) a mile long trench of soldiers all fire at one woman, ignoring the others
Actually I liked the fact that the sniper with ptsd didn't get better. ptsd is a serious problem. It makes the movie more humane especially by the other characters saying it is ok, we understand. I didn't think he was wasted. The only big issue I have is with Ares. He shouldn't have been shown in this movie, keeping the question open whether it is human nature to fight or Ares pulling strings. A better fit for this movie/idea behind Wonder Woman would be the godess Eris.
I hear what you're saying, but Ares was the god of destructive war, senseless war. And WWI, more than any other war, comes closest to that Ares-style of war. And, no--not all war is like that. WWI is truly unique in human history.
I agree, the sniper with ptsd getting better at a key moment would have been the formula movie approach; but, hey, maybe some guys just don't get better.
@@ultimoyt0 My taste? First of all you wouldn't know shit about my taste so show some common courtesy when talking to someone you don't know. Secondly, if you like The Snyder Cut more power to you but don't tell me it got DC's act back in track the movie was just as awful if not more awful than the Josh Whedon cut, if anything Josh Whedon's cut is the better cut. Synder's cut only added bloat and nonsensical world building, but I'm guessing someone like you watched the film for the pretty colours and cool fight scenes which fair enough those were good but at this point this is no achievement, it's an expectation. Anyway to cut this short what I like is my business and would never discuss it with someone as disrespectful as you, and the Snyder Cut is awful, every version of the Justice League live action film is awful. Have a good day.
@@vigil2150 what about cyborgs backstory and The world building, like how the mother boxes actually work, Stephenwolfs kinda backstory and The history between them all? Does are all essential Story telling that is essential to writing a story that Whedon cut failed to do. If you don’t like it, go ahead but It lacked so much Snydercut makes out. I think the worst part about snydercut is it’s time and the slow motion which could have been cut and the out of place song that was played when Flash saved Iris. If you don’t like it fine. It’s just strange when it’s a average movie, and I think it shines out more when you compare it to the whedon cut
Not really. Try to look at her without makeup. Or even worse, without clothing. She is too skinny. That canadian actress who played the shield agent alongside with samuel jackson... Blue eyes, brunette, etc? Now THAT is a beautiful woman who would fit WW much better.
@@RRRRRRRRR33 Cobie Smulders is the actress. I think she was cast as Wonder Woman for the cancelled Justice League movie in the late 2000's. If it wasn't for her Marvel contract, I think she would;ve been the best choice for Wonder Woman. But still, Gal Gadot was a good choice imo
@@DepravedCoTApologist Cobie... What a wierd name. Yep, that's her, she is gorgeous and a decent actress. Gadot imo is not pretty at all and, of course, she can't act. She was barely acceptable for me because she had some screen presence and charisma. But that considering her solo movie, in the Justice League movie she did a awful job. That scene when she confronts superman after his ressurection? I've seem better acting in porn movies man, not even joking.
@@RRRRRRRRR33 To be fair, most actors phoned it in for Justice League. Gadot's performances rely on how good her director is. But that's my lousy opinion
My favourite part was forgotten. The blue dress was stolen from an innocent, unarmed woman waiting to get into the party. Wonder Woman is never shown how she gets it because it would undermine the Hero premiss.
The movie basically has a stock sci-fi plot: a hero thrown into a strange unfamiliar world and causing trouble due to not understanding the culture and having conflicting values, but makes allies by inspiring residents to resist the forces of injustice in their system, and it all ends in some bittersweet way. Most Star Trek episodes used this plot template.
I think their point could have been a bit more poignant if they defeated Ares midway through the movie only for the fighting to continue, showing the main villain to be the dark side of human nature and war, rather than some guy manipulating everyone. Might be a bit on-the-nose, but what if they'd framed it around the Christmas Truce, where defeating Ares earned them a single day of peace before humanity went right back to fighting. It would motivate a wiser Wonder Woman to not just fight gods to protect humanity, but that fighting evil men would protect humanity from itself.
i love the brie larson cuts, hilarious, wonder woman is indeed a flawed movie but i can forgive it for Gal Gadot alone, she is so damn charming and absolutely succeeds at making wonder woman, wonderful!!!
I think what resonated with audience members is that Gadot played it straight and sincere. Marvel pulls its punches. If things ever get sincere, someone cracks wise. YES, this film is flawed. BUT, it honestly optimistic
All that nice stuff in the village, Trevor and Poison's little conversation... and it all gets capsized by a dumb fight that forgets the message it JUST tried to tell one scene ago. I like to think of the DCEU as a marathon: Wonder Woman tripped out the gate, recovered, got a good pace going, and then managed a first place by virtue of face-planting on the finish-line. Oh and all the other participants spontaneously combusted.
Bows aren't terribly accurate due to the Archer's Paradox. Modern bows get around the paradox by having a cutout that the arrow rests in, but even they still suffer accuracy-wise. And all weapons suffer shot-deviation at long ranges, it's not that implausible.
@@jamestanzer9188 I feel like the impact of the archer's paradox is grossly overstated in general, but especially on people who've been training for literally centuries.
@@InfernosReaper True, but it's still noticeable at long ranges. Also remember the context of the original statement. The Amazons, who have been practicing with their bows for a long time, missed stationary boats from the of a cliff. Then they traded evenly with conscripts, i.e. bottom-of-the-barrel troops quality wise, in a shootout that they should have won easily, especially since we saw them practicing fire-and-manuever techniques that would have been invaluable in that exact situation. God only knows what would have happened if they had run into regulars, much less sturmtruppen.
@@jamestanzer9188 sturmtruppen? I don't think those guys existed yet in the timeline. This is set in WWI for *some* reason, even though it looks and plays out more like WWII, except for the bolt action rifles,. Hell, even those were starting to be phased out during that war anyway as multiple semi-auto rifles had come into existence earlier in the century and even saw use in WWI.
@@InfernosReaper Sturmtruppen were first used in WW1 in October 1915, where they captured French positions in the Vosges Mountains, and were subsequently used throughout the remainder of the war as shock troops and the lead elements in offensives. Edit: minor typo fix
When I was 7, I saw Gallipoli with Mel Gibson at school and took Anzac Day very seriously ever since. "This is No Man's Land. It means no man can cross it, alright?" That scene brought tears to my eyes and it still does. It just made the entire film for me.
The No Man's Land scene was really cool and all, but I am STILL unclear if she can be hurt by bullets. It makes no sense that firearms would pose even a mild threat to her given how strong she is, but she still goes out of her way to block or deflect them? it makes sense when she's protecting others, but she acts like she herself is vulnerable to them. Also, there's no reason she couldn't just jump over to the other trench in the first place. I liked it though, it was a fun movie and Gal Gadot is an absolute delight
i hate this image, having an invincible being in the middle of one of the most gruesome war ever fought, only surpassed by the Eastern Front of WWII, feels wrong and disrespectful
I mean, Brie should get an Oscar for that kind of performance, not to mention for Endgame... She gives Peter Parker her resting bitch face until he speaks and shows just how submissive and fearful he is, which wins her approval, and she smiles at him... Now that's a stronk whamen...
It's no contest. Larson doesn't just lack charisma, she has anti-charisma that drains all the fun and life out of her surroundings. She doesn't have zero personality...she has below-zero personality which causes damage other people around her.
@@harryireland1935 Miscast or not, it's still her fault. I wonder if she was told to be "stoic" or to "behave like a man" or whatever the hell it was... As it was, she deliberately displayed the emotional range of a ham sandwich - and she probably thought she was being "stunning and brave" in her portrayal...
For me, the weirdest thing about Themyscira is that there are actually canon answers to all questions raised about their seemingly fragile defenses in the movie. It seems that having an island of primordial warriors seems more digestible for audiences than an island of primordial warriors with a few instances of hyper-advanced tech and guarded by an underwater army of super-megalodons.
I hear you. I think drinker got it right toward the end, the movie was just the first non-batman DC movie that isn't complete shit so everyone got all excited about it. For mine it may not have been steaming, but it was still a bit of a turd.
@@paft Yeah I asked the same question to Google about why everyone loved Wonder Woman so much, and the first article that came up was titled, "Is it just me or...was Wonder Woman not that great?" and I was like "oh finally, someone feels like it was just okay but not a masterpiece." Then I read it and it turned out she thought the movie wasn't feminist enough because "there was a man starring in the movie."
@@weedmastersr a hermaphrodite. Gal is a man. Large skull, prominent brow ridge, strong jaw, shoulders broader than hips, up and down body like a man, long femurs, tall, etc. Google it without makeup. All the signs are there you just gotta see it.
I'm a little surprised you didn't mention how can a little shield protect Wonder Woman from machine gun fire, are her legs somehow invulnerable while her upper body is not, what is going on there
Really messes with the continuity when it shows how obscene the firepower disparity became between the Amazons and the Atlanteans with the Aquaman movie. The Amazons are barely drawing even against mooks wielding WW1 weaponry, and there are multiple Kingdoms under the sea with so much fighting power and/or tech that each one of them would wipe WW2 nations from the face of the planet solo.
@@spacepope87 Seems counter-productive to the gender equality argument, but that is the only real conclusion one can have.... Well, either that or the generations of cultural stagnation from isolationism basically made them like Japan vs Matthew Perry.
@@InfernosReaper If the underwater kingdoms have massively larger populations and technological bases and have been at war with each other for hundreds of years, you would expect their military technology to be very advanced. If the Amazonians never fight anyone armed with more than a bronze spear, they never need to innovate. Also, if they are only living on one island, they are unlikely even to have the mineral resources required to develop iron or steel...
You made some good points that I did not consider back then. I mostly liked the film because of Gal Gadot and her charisma (and her looks) and Wonder Woman is one my favorite comic book characters. Compared to Captain Marvel it is a masterpiece. Another thing that I liked that (also compared to Captain Marvel) it was not sooo feminist (of course WW is a feminist icon so it was unavoidable to have some), but Steve was not that inept compared to other male characters in feminist films.
It would have been a great justaposition, kind of like the Flash (1980's) playing the dad of the Flash (2014-now) in present day. But I'm afraid Linda Carter isn't as beautiful any more as she would need to be in order to perform the athleticism of that role. Better to use princess buttercup (The Princess Bride) who is 10y younger.
Bro, in all seriousness. You need to be a comedy writer. This is too small of a platform for someone of your comedy caliber. Plus we need more good comedy. So hard to come by these days. In the mean time, I’ll enjoy your videos. Thanks for the laughs
Actually, having Ares broker the armistice was brilliant on the writer's parts: the armistice, in real life, ultimately gave way to the alies being selfish pricks and fucking up Germany for a laugh, thus leading to Hitler's rise in power, and WWII. And the long-range bomber was also implemented in WWI as well, although it's max range was Germany to England and back again. Other than that, you're pretty spot on.
@Абдульзефир But the Germans didn't start WWI. And for most of the war, they were fighting defensively. They weren't really out to conquer, just to hold on to what they had gotten in the first few months of the war. Even then, they seemed willing to compromise if given a fair deal, they just got made out to be absolute monsters by the English press, so that British people wouldn't feel like they were fighting a pointless war for no reason.
As long as there are some explosions, cool fight scenes, some yet unexplained power/ability that the protagonist uses in the final scene, most people will enjoy it without thinking whether as a whole the movie was good or not. Most people just want to chill out unless it is a horror or mystery thriller. Superhero flicks are just made to rake in money. Not to make sense
Fully agree here..the whole movie was mediocre, maybe not as insulting as Ghostbusters/Charlie's Angels/The Last Jedi/Captain Marvel etc, but definitely as stupid as the "lead" female in, say, tv series Warehouse 13..bear with me. Both ladies spend their entire time pouting into the camera, the casting assumes the sheer sex appeal of the leads makes up for their utter lack of acting ability, they are wooden and uncharismatic (despite, unquestionably, being beautiful), and of course the movie/series plot got weaker and weaker as the thing progressed, so the losing of interest in the acting was compounded/not compensated by the lack of developing plot. Sound familiar? I particularly was greatly annoyed by the fawning over Gal Gagot that followed the movie, the media just kept falling over itself heaping the praise, but when you are awarding an ACTRESS a Time magazine 'MOST' INFLUENTIAL PERSON IN THE WORLD accolade based on the fact her GRANDFATHER was a concentration camp survivor, and she was in the Israeli ARMY (note, NONE of this to do with acting, with charity work, or contributions to anything), you can sense the hype had nothing to do with the movie. I hope it is obvious here what I'm trying to say; sex appeal is NOTHING if the acting/script is shit (Halle Berry/Catwoman? Brigitte Nielsen/Red Sonja? Pamela Anderson/ Barb Wire??), while a "strong, non-sexy woman" is NOT the turnoff fake feminism would accuse "toxic male fans" of trolling (Lucy Lawless/Xena? Uma Thurman/Kill Bill? Kate Beckinsale/Van Helsing? Mila Jovovich/Resident Evil? Hell, even Sigourney Weaver in the original Aliens!)..I LOVED Linda Carter as the cheesy '70s Wonder Woman, she was smart/sexy/feminine and, crucially, NOT all powerful, she would regularly get kidnapped by the baddies and you'd have an "anxious" time worrying if she'd be ok..exactly the same contrast between the original Charles's Angels and the idiot parody of them in 2019. This Wonder Woman fights a GOD and wins pretty much effortlessly, at no point feels "warm" or weak or even remotely human or likeable, and the movie is used as a surrogate "support" for anti-semitism wokeness (would anyone DARE to blast Gal the same way Brie Larson was mocked, given her grandfather's sacrifices?! Although, admittedly, she made nowhere near as big an ass of herself as Brie Larson or Elizabeth Banks did, she was the perfect model of how a successful movie star should portray herself). Overall, the movie was much weaker than we're told it was, and sequel or not, is not something that will have the iconic status or instant recognition of the leads in the examples above, or Linda Hamilton/Terminator, Jodie Foster/Silence of the Lambs, Scarlett Johansson/Black Widow, Whoopi Goldberg/pretty much anything from her early career!
I remember as I watched this movie wanting to like it more. The writing isn't too cheesy with one liners, the pacing is pretty good, and Gal Gadot might be the most beautiful woman on Earth. But every so often, consistently, something would pop up with the plot line, or the setup, or the meta that would distract me from immersing myself in the film. And that's before the debacle of an ending where I started shaking my head as soon as Ares took form. This film is a good study in how many different ways you can contradict your world and storyline within a couple minutes. Breathtakingly eye rolling at the end...
More films need to be set during World War I. It's such an interesting period of history when warfare was changing rapidly and all countries involved were racing to keep up. WW2 is popular because it's got such a clear villain, but I think WW1 is much more interesting overall.
Is it me or are protectors of peace, who's first reactions to incoming ships is just start shooting arrows at them, before they know anything, kinda really bad at their job?
It's honestly something I take umbrage with, whenever Wonder Woman tries to lecture mankind for being violent or war-hungry. She comes from a warrior race, with a might-makes-right attitude, that values violence and combat above all else. It's incredibly hypocritical. It's a bit like Jeff Bezos criticizing you for being too wealthy.
I know the writing for Ares is not the most liked, but I loved that David Thewlis was Ares. Maybe it's because I grew up with him as the mad king Einon in Dragonheart that naturally I figured what better upgrade could you get than to be the God of War himself. And I did like how he was at first treated in a way akin to the Devil, whispering in the ears of the human antagonists to steer them into making bad decisions. While I personally really liked Wonder Woman, I do admit on reflection in that I agree it can't seem to make up its mind on how it wants to pay itself off and the message it wanted to convey. It has the ideas, even the right ones, but didn't seem to know how to utilize them effectively. I don't mind the final battle with Ares, but I would've liked it more had it been better balanced with its original message that humans have a penchant for war and Ares is merely the overseer of it, like the Greek God equivalent of a D&D dungeon master. And instead of Ares dying and everyone just stops randomly fighting, he just fades away back to where he came from all battered and leaves Diana alone to take Steve's final words into serious consideration that we are a very deeply flawed species, and this revelation combined with his death just causes her to further isolate herself from the world for the next 100 years before finally deciding to better herself and take charge as a positive figure for the world. Would've been a more bitter-sweet ending, but with more meat to it than how it ultimately ended up, I think.
Ares brokering the peace treaty was a genius idea actually. He fostered an alliance so he could whisper in each leaders mind that betrayal was incoming. The worst emotion is when a friend betrays you. So how I perceived the idea is that Ares created a massive anger pressure cooker to take place. 🤔🤔
Except that the Germans had no choice but to surrender. The homeland was literally starving, they were running out of munitions, soldiers were mutinying, the Kaiser had collected his P45 and run to Holland and Ludendorff had been sacked as a consequence of losing his marbles. There were no negotiations, no bargaining, no meeting of minds. The Armistice was presented in a railway carriage and the Germans were told where to sign it. The war was then put on a timer, set to 11/11/18 at 1100 hours because Wilson, Lloyd George and Clemenceau had OCD or something.
Just found your channel and I love your takes on all the movies I've seen you review so far. Just to touch on the Amazon's lack of technology, I think it actually kind of makes sense both in terms of realism and the movies themes. Technology rarely advances at a rapid pace in a bubble, no pun intended. It tends to advance when people have to adapt and innovate, or have previous advances to try creative new techniques on. That's one of the reasons why we see a *lot* of improvements in various fields during times of war: The need to adapt, improve, and find new ways to outmaneuver or overpower the opposition drives people to try all kinds of things that they might brush off as ridiculous in normal circumstances. The complete isolation of the Amazons deprived them of that need for innovation. They're somewhat akin to the indigenous people of North Sentinel Island in that, lacking any real significant contact with the world outside of their limited living area, they've had no real need to develop beyond what they already had. Their society already had what was necessary for them to survive, so there was no need for change. I think that was probably intentional, too. The first act of the story put a pretty decent emphasis on how the Amazons stubbornly insisted that they shouldn't be involved in the rest of the world, with Diana being the only one who felt that they should get involved, and her personal journey highlights why that decision was a good one. She spends most of the movie fixated on the idea that her beliefs are absolutely correct and that the current conflict is a simple black-and-white scenario that can be ended by eliminating Ares, with the same kind of mindset the rest of the Amazon's take on their isolationist policies. When she leaves her island, she's eventually forced to recognize that her worldview isn't right and adapt to a new reality (I feel like the soldiers stopped less because Ares was gone, and more because they literally just watched what was basically two gods duke it out and decided that maybe it was time to *not* draw the winner's attention), and her ability to do that is what ultimately paves the way for her victory. Well, that and "the power of love," but...meh. The point I'm getting at is that the Amazons refused to change and got the crap kicked out of them, while Diana grew stronger and wiser by overcoming the mentality that she already knows everything she needs to know. Of course, I could just be reading too much into it. Beyond that, I could probably work out some explanations for some of the shenanigans in the third act, but again...meh. It really did kind of start to fall apart in that area. I still think it was a really fun movie overall, and easily one of the best DC movies we've gotten. It's almost like the people behind the movie actually cared about and respected the character, and weren't just trying to play catch-up with the MCU at the cost of things like characterization or pacing.
A couple reasons. 1. The ever-present problem of using our world's history and defining events for fictional stories. No matter what these super humans/semi-humans/gods do, things have to play out like they did in our reality. 2. So this is entry number... I stopped counting after three thousand... in the "man evil" stories. In particular, it's implied that humanity will fight and do bad things even without Ares' influence. This is what they were going for with the scene where Dianne questions Steve about why people are still fighting and he says he doesn't know and that it could be any number of reasons, and also when Ares explained that he supposedly doesn't directly tell people to kill each other but just give them weapon ideas.
Acknowledging the justice of many of our beloved Drinker’s observations, I liked this movie way more than I thought I would, and enjoy rewatching it from time to time.
Writing this before watching: no, not really. First 2 acts were ok and sometimes really good, third was a total mess, which ruined everything, including fairly wise message about roots of all evil in people's own stupidity, not in some wicked god's ploy. Overall it was fine, a bit less dumb than Aquaman, a bit less entertaining too, while both those movies stand out of that pile of shit which is called DCEU.
There are so many wrong things with this movie that he didn't even get into. For example Steve not being able to say a coherent 3 word sentence through most of the movie then pulling scientific vocavulary when flirting with Dr Poison.. I was watching the movie thinking "How did people think this was good??"
@@saymyname2417 He only commented on half of the things I would say are bad. You should watch it just to remind you what cheesy, predictable movies used to be like and how far we''ve come since
film was decent, the part i hated most of all about it was how it portrayed the german empire as being as bad as the nazis in wwii; yeah, thats just not true
It was kind of ironic that they just pretended that the German soldiers were Nazi's while the guy manning the machine gun could have been Corporal Hitler since he was there in the trenches fighting for his country just like all the other patriotic young men on both sides. Speaking of machine guns, it's really stupid to suppose that a bunch of WW1 soldiers would fire on a beautiful woman dressed like a stripper as she approached their trench. It is more likely that they would call to her and try to get her out of no man's land and to the relative safety of their trench. They had no reason to imagine her to be an enemy soldier or any danger to them at all. That scene was just stupid.
@Joe Blow But `Leo C` wrote `They both weren't as bad as portrayed`. For me, it is not important what ideology stood behind both wars. Only the bestiality and the number of victims matter. Also: translate.google.com/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwiadomosci.dziennik.pl%2Fwydarzenia%2Fartykuly%2F202035%2Cipn-potwierdza-nazisci-robili-mydlo-z-ludzi.html
@@caricueShe carries a shield. It is a warrior attribute. That's why they shoot at her. What is stupid is that they shoot at the target instead of aiming at unprotected parts of the body.
I like to imagine that Drinker gets so hammered that he doesn't remember anything when he gets sober, and doesn't even know he has a UA-cam channel. He just constantly wonders why he gets a tidy little check in the mail every month. Maybe he watches this channel, too. Who knows.
What the fuck
I love it
😂😂😂
If the Drinker doesn't read this I will be sad
"With great powers come great responsibilites"
The best thing about this movie is the heroine isn't forced to forego every aspect of femininity to be a heroine.
Yeah, I just recently saw it on the big screen as a re-release in a foreign country. I was expecting some post-feminist feminist claptrap like . . . "Captain America"???
Yea and tho she fights ares and there are tones of feminism, it isn't shoved down our fucking throats and it's not that every single man is some idiotic bad guy who has a superiority complex. Like christ.
@@thericepotato5847 I really don't know what to make of that comment.
Dug when Gal got Early 20th century.
And Linda is in the top 5 all time gorgeous ever.
I was a huge fan of everything up till the end. The Ares fight scene was not satisfying.
@ ya, not alot of people are willing to admit that, I have lots of respect for people like that
It's a decent yarn but the praise it gets is ridiculous. The whole movie was very average in every aspect and WW was so naive and dumb the whole way through. Justice league was pretty similar in it being an average movie.
@ There's mythical fantasy and superhero fantasy. Stuff like LOTR the former is great, but superhero fantasy idk maybe more for the kids?
To truly enjoy a hero they must be challenged throughout the story only to think they cannot defeat the foe and they dig deep and battle valiantly in order to defeat the antagonist. Modern Hero movies don't understand that concept
@ how do you rate original animated movie ??
_"It's stuff like this that gives my country a bad reputation."_
A+ deadpan delivery.
Trainspotting did that work ages ago.
Racists!
No... it's not. Lolz
Fucking A+ 😂😂😂😂😂
In before Warner Brothers copyright strikes this again
This narrator (TCD ?) is hilarious ...great & funny content. ...wonderful delivery.
Way To Go ✌
Don't let me hear any crap about Lynda Carter. She got me through puberty.
Wonder Woman is still better then Captain Marvel
Hell, they're not even comparable.
Entitled Catpain sucks a ton, all right.
*than
@@aahnecroth that's already assumed, i'm so tired of correcting people who type like this just because they're ghetto, or those who can't spell because they just type in emojis altogether
@@ToddKeck98 Yeah that's no ghetto speak, that's just a lack of education.
Two thoughts always bothered me throughout the movie:
1) Diana's shield is way too small to be effective against massed gunfire and
2) Why the hell would Ares want to kill all humans? He is the God of War after all. No more people = no more war. He motivation is inconsistent, at best.
Yeah, Satan is better damage+fun in the best possible way.
I bet originally David Thewlis' character was supposed to be Friedrich Alfred "Fritz" Krupp, sole proprietor of the Krupp Steelworks, the heart of the German military-industrial complex. Look at Fritz' picture from Wikipedia, and tell me that wasn't who Thewlis is supposed to look like.
But, you couldn't have a homosexual as a villain in a modern Hollywood movie, that would go against The Message(TM).
He instigates war... He is the god of war. I think you need help with basic understanding
@@potatowaffle5653 I think you are the one who needs help with basic understanding. In the movie Ares goal is not a war, but to wipe out humanity, which makes no sense. If Ares is the God of War and he succeeds, then there would be no more wars because nobody would be around to fight in them. No more war = no more power for Ares.
@@chuckhoyle1211 reh reyh reh listen to me blah blah blah
Fun fact about this film is that Steve is the real hero: no super power, very fragile against a numerous enemies, selfless, focused on the mission which will save millions, knows his limitations and was willing to sacriface himself knowing the cost of it.
Yea & Diana didn't get a single scratch even from Ares
Yep, Hawkeye and Black Widow in a nutshell as well.
Very good point.
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There can be two hero's lol
One of the problems I had was with Steve Trevor. He just didn't feel like someone from the first world war. He seemed too modern to me.
He needs a 19th century mustache and a firm grounding in the same values.
That would be a completely different movie.
He also is... odd looking, like his face was horribly scarred and rebuilt by Russian prison surgeons
Yeah, it felt more like he belonged in the 23rd century.
I agree. That’s called bad casting.
Movies in current year: Writing is hard and we need to wrap this up.
Not a current year thing. There have been shit tons of failed projects due to RUSHING things in cinema for decades. The only impression you get on 'today' in regards to writing hard, rush it to half-ass to get out, It's just there a lot of bad examples on people's minds this year: like Game of Thrones.
@@adrianbundy3249 True. Let's face it there has always been bad writing but those movies never had high production value either. It's like we're getting an inverse relation ship these days. The past: Bad writing, low production. Present: high production, bad writing. It's weird.
I think most of these questions are answered in the context of the film and the motives of the characters.. I also think you can apply these questions to any film that’s based on a story with a dense history.
Ares was around to push certain people who already had bad intents. Just a small nudge to get them going. He was lying to Diana about a better world, obviously.
Still better than 90% of MCU films.
@@samuraigundam0079 The person who says WW is better than 90% of MCU films is probably a fanboy, who wants to pretend "marvel is for kids you see!" without an objective view of reality. The deeper meaning, adult themes where they have happened in the MCU, have been more profound on average than anything in the DCEU to date; they are for everyone, and yes - as an adult, I like jokes, even when I am in a shit day, I can want cheering up, dark humor or gallows humor is lost on some of the deluded fanbois out there.
The decidedly average WW was probably the fourth best of it's franchise, after Man of Steel(great), Aquaman(good to great) and Shazaam(good). But at least it is watchable unlike the other 50% of that garbage. It had some legit great moments. Why do I consider it average? Too cliche, overhyped visuals (the trench scene is hardly worth the praise heaped on it, and leaves too many silly issues).
But you are right on one thing: I do find this video laying a lot of different types of criticisms that are rampant in a vast number of other hollywood projects these days.
And no - Ares is still a shit villain, even if you make sense of his 'motive, he was just nudging evil people along'.
The Doom From Latveria I didn’t say those MCU films weren’t enjoyable, just not very good movies.
You’re right, I don’t like Jokey dialogue in place of character development. It’s a cheap disingenuous method that cheats the audience from really knowing the characters as individuals, and robs the story of any true narrative tension. Everything these characters think, feel and want - when not overtly obvious - is told to you directly by the character, whereas DC movies usually have their characters express these things through more indirect dialogue and their actions. People still bitch about the “Martha” scene in BVS to this day.
I wouldn’t put Ares as a great villain, but compared to villains like Ultron, Crossbones, Red Skull, etc.(as they’re depicted n the MCU), at least he had a subtle, more thoughtful approach in his role, unlike a good amount of MCU villains, who can’t help but be so one note exaggerated in their behavior, and who’s goal is almost always taking over the world. I’ll give Disney some credit for making Thanos a more complex villain, though he still stands in a long line of MCU villains who aren’t directly killed in a real way by a hero. No, disintegration doesn’t count. Kudos to Black Panther for getting his hands dirty. Although, if we’re talking about overhyped...
Ares arranging the armistice actually makes a strange sort of sense, since the Treaty of Versailles was so punitive and generated so much ill will in Germany that it may have helped cause the outbreak of World War II, which was a more catastrophic and widespread conflict. But I don't know if I can give the film that kind of credit.
Yep treaty of Versailles really helped spread nationalism with its Heavy punishment
Smiling Cat... well said. :)
considering the fighting stopped after ares died, I dont think world war 2 happened. Also ares isn't smart enough to think anything like that. He isn't athena
I have one tiny question as a ww1 nerd: who tf is that German General guy?! I think he’s meant to be General Erich Ludendorff, but this actor looks nothing like him! I know because this guy can fight Diana head-on, while the real guy was an old-ass man that couldn’t bend over, much less fight an Amazon!
i think thats the plan, like take alook at what happened after ww1, it was the root of ww2, which had roots to many conflicts happening today,like never ending proxy wars in the middle east, and the god of war planned for this type of destruction and suffering but instead he died, but his influence continued on becoming a slightly more peaceful version when wonder woman killed him, idk really just stuff i thought about, this never probably got into the writer's head anyways
The 1970s Wonder Woman TV show was arguably the first time the super hero genre had been fully realized. It was faithful to the source material in both casting and costume. It also had high production values, a dutiful stuntwoman, and it wasn't played for laughs.
The show wasn't perfect, but it's deserving of more respect than you're giving it. Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman and Christopher Reeve's Superman are the foundation on which today's super hero television and movies are built on.
So what? It's capeshit. Who cares if it was the first time it was "realized"? It's childish, shallow nonsense for manchildren then and it still is now.
@@hammondOT who cares it worked for the time period it was made. people 40 years from now will probably think the mcu is childish garbage because it will be outdated so what’s ur point?
I always wondered (see what I did there) about the size of the gap between her legs when she was wearing the Wonder Woman costume. As a kid, I didn't notice but as an adult...whoa.
@@apersonofinterest i had to google this "gap" you were talking about. saw it. yeah. whaoh. I cant unsee it. that's all i see when open google images.
that, and how far in her waist goes. Truly, she had a perfect comic book body....it's seems completely like it shouldnt exist....but....there she is. a real person with a comic book body.
(Even Arnold's Conan wasnt as massive as the comic book Conan)
Very well said
This might be my new favorite channel. This guy is hilarious
enter a name here Yep.
“Go away now” is hilarious
I agree.... He is great.
I discovered him after seeing his review on the last several episodes of the raging shits that was GoT. And yeah, he is easily the most hilarious dude on UA-cam.
And he has a brilliant understanding of story. His analysis helps me with my own writing.
Indeed, love his charming take on all the modern Hollywood crap i don't watch.
He is, and its no accident.
"A thought occurred to me when I woke up in my bathtub this morning... 'where did all the gin I used to fill my bathtub go'?"
😂👏👌
“D.C. are getting their act together” - birds of prey comes out 1 year after this video
Intersectionality doesn't discriminate between Marvel or DC.
True.
Joker, though.
I can’t even keep track of all their completely forgettable movies
Not female-driven, but woke-driven.
Also, Aquaman was fucking dreadful.
In the comics, at least in the 1940s, Wonder Woman’s island was technologically advanced. They had a ray gun that healed all of Steve’s injuries and the Amazons were aware of the outside world. She even did a competition to send Steve back to his world. It was only in the 1980s and onward that they decided to go a more primitive route.
This movie says that they haven't been outside the shield and this guy keeps complaining about how they don't have modern technology
After about 15 minutes of criticism.....
The Drinker: Now before I get into my criticism, there some things the film gets right..... lol.
Bc things aren't black or white🤷♂️
This guy does the negative parts of movies mainly.
Gal Gadot has a million x more charisma than Cringe Larson
MiL BoT And has a better sense of humour. Not to mention she is far better looking.
I’d shag em both 🤷♂️
Which is really saying something when Gadot has all the presence and range of a cardboard box...
@Jack Handy better bring some Listerine
@@brantisonfire sounds like a plan
Why would the god of war want peace? It's one of the rules of acquisition. "Every now and then, declare peace; it'll confuse the hell out of your enemies."
In mythology Ares is the god of war: destructive, brutish war. War for the sake of war. While Athena was the goddess of war, thinking war, strategy. Augustin once said the goal of war should be peace. The ancients understood things better than we do today more often than not.
@@DarthPlato ironically Ares fought for Troy, which is mythologized to be the ancestors of the Romans, making Ares the true god of long run strategy and wars of attrition
And the Atlantis story just has Sparta (Aresland) pretending to be Athens, making Ares an actual agent of defiance and war to preserve peace against an overwhelming aggressor .
Star Trek deep space 9
yup. confusion and corruption of the will is the m.o. of the advocates of hell.
like the binary-mindset wich pushes people to think of 2 opposite solutions instead of pondering more paths.
and its way easier to control people when both "solutions" are manufactured by those who created the problem.
The thing with Ares brokering a peace treaty actually makes sense.
The Treaty of Versailles was so harsh on Germany that it helped to cause WW2.
Also, during several wars throughout history the fighting has gotten so bad or gone on for so long that both sides have temporarily stopped fighting and helped each other, so everyone "hugging it out" at the end is actually believable.
True, it’s too bad that idiot Wilson didn’t live to see the fruits of his labor.
for the age btw, Maybe a bit like saiyans, they grow fast from kid to adult. Then when they reach that age they slow down and stay that age longer for battle, but they do still get older. That is all i can think of for that
The Amazonians are immortal so long as they are on the island, which is why they never leave.
@@halcionkoenig243 not about that, see the statement about it.... Watch the review part about the aging
@Nakor Z Finally, someone who isn't a moron.
I mean if we're questioning that we should question the aging of every God in every existing mythology. He's really reaching with this point while missing like every real problem this movie has.
And the only thing that changes is their hair and moustaaaaches
Gal had such a naive, humble charisma to her, which made me really empathize with her. I honestly really enjoyed this movie.
And then she started slaughtering those young Germans around the age of 18 who were forced into the army against their will.
@@HateshWarkio shhhh... this audience isn't interested in facts... only their Muh Feelings
@@HateshWarkio Doesnt hasten the fact that she is a warrior. Her island literally killed a boat load of guys. She doesn't have this no kill rule like Superman or Batman. And that actually adds to the complexity of what it is to " fight for humanity ". How would she know that these guys were under eighteen and were forced in their military. It was not until after the fight that steve and his crew revealed that they were just ordinary men fighting a war cause they had to. She is naive throughout the entire film doing crap on the fly just to get to " ares ".
@@liemduong6729 considering these are her first real fights and battles, she doesn't stop and think for a second, she just slaughters them.
Because as we all know when you get into your first real battle you are already a killing machine.
And even afterwards she continues to do so.
At most you can say that her naive side is actually right because in the end she ends up fighting Ares to stop the war.
Also it's kinda weird that the only human she actually spares is the woman who made those poisonous gases.
That gal probably continued doing exactly that during WW2.
The point of this isn't to say that she shouldn't kill. The point is that she should react to killing.
btw The no-kill rule? Neither Batman or Superman have that rule in this franchise.
@@HateshWarkio Which is also a big problem. With Superman it actually was there sort of, just not exposed enough. Still has more exposure to it than a 40 year old Batman jesus. But yea even so after that moment that she realizes the core problem, I would expect her to not bash people with her shield.
Agreeing with everything said. Film was decent, not great for me.
The shittiness of other films makes a decent attempt amazing. Suicide Squad makes this a great movie.
you could have said you gave it a 3.6 out of 5, not great, not terrible
It's kind of like Captain Marvel when you REALLY think about it.
I don't know, I wouldn't say it was great but I for sure loved the first two acts, but the final act was a major let down, they also made a mistake by killing of Chris Pines character their chemistry is a big part of what made the movie good.
@@zeropoint216 more like 2.5... with a villain and plot this weak, really anything above 3 is fandom
I don’t think it’s fair to criticise the Amazonian’s lack of technological advancement.
Sub Saharan-Africa, the Americas and Australia are great examples of how technological stagnation can occur when you have little to no contact with the rest of the world and are left without any form of conflict like occurred in North Africa, the Middle East, east-Asia, and Europe.
What he meant was that the amazonians were there to stop a war but they did not make an effort to go outside the world thus the lack of technology.
No it's not WAR that spurred progress. It's speeding up your GDP growth by a factor of 20 or more from subjugating entire continents' worth of oppressed colonies.
War was in no shortage even BEFORE 1500s, that didn't spur progress. The fall of Rome to war didn't spur progress, it stifled it into a Dark Age in Western Europe (I know the Dark Ages aren't as Dark as some people might have thought, but still it was a post-collapse.)
Only in the age of overseas colonies do you suddenly see an unprecedented "progress" because all the dirty serfdoms and brutality were relegated to overseas colonies and the people back in the colonial hub in Europe got cheaper goods that saved them time and money that they can use to educate themselves. You need peasants and serfs for the lord to maintain his lifestyle, right? Now for this society, give the underlings access to cheaper goods by factories. Oh wait, technology wasn't advanced enough to make factories yet? Then make do with people treated like machinery (not directly owned by them, just like the average citizen still doesn't own factories today).
Note how American civilizations were not able to progress far without something to create lots of labor for them. Livestock of burden. The profits gained from that would allow them to further expand the social pyramid until they get enough profits to research machinery to replace slaves and with their use of outmatched by machine efficiency for the first time, repurpose them into taxpaying citizens and soldiers you can trust not to revolt once they are given guns to protect their own wealth.
Consider the Indians love Germany for allowing them to break free from the English chains after 300 years, and 5000 of them even went to Europe to fight under Hitler as the Free Indian Legion to speed up the emancipation of their 1 billion people. Why should they care some Aryans supermen are going to show the inferior white Europeans what those Europeans have said about White burden uplifting the colored peoples? When right during WW2 England killed 7 million Indians and when their colonies weren't enough, invaded Persia (Iran) in 1942 to expand their colonial oppression?
(Btw Neonazis are not Nazis, but more akin to the European enemies the Nazis were fighting, the Neonazis' colonialist forefathers concerned with keeping colored people under the imperial boots. Just misappropriating Nazi imagery because it has become the boogeyman in Western culture, not because Nazis were actually interested in conquering other continents like Britain and France were so eager to... and still were eager after WW2 as English killed 1 million in their Concentration Camps in the 1950-58 Kenyan War for Independence and France killed 2million for Algerian War for Independence. Hmmm that reminds me the real butcher of Vietnam was the Japanese killing the same amount of 2 million between 1940 and 1945, only stopped because of the American nukes 1 billion Asians were cheering for.)
Why should the Ukrainians care about what grievances other countries have about Hitler? Their primary concern was Stalin killing 7 million of them, so 50,000 men signed up to be part of Germany's "East Legions," along with Siberian peoples of the same sentiment running from the Soviet Union to take part in putting Stalin down and freeing their people.
(The Indian nation was broken down into several as the English left and tried to disseminate unrest and chaos though.)
@@CrabTastingMan Twitter-tier knowledge of history, you're delusional
I did keep thinking during the German party scene about why nobody noticed the big ass sword strapped to WW's back.
The real question is how the hell did she manage to put that sword in there. I mean, taking into account its length, you know dam well the tip of it was not going to end up in her waist line.
+ Six Turning Four Burning
THANK YOU! This has bugged me forever, yet this is the first time in all my reading into Wonder Woman critiques that I have ever seen anyone mention it. To me, this is one of the biggest dropped balls in the film. Always made me crazy. Glad to finally see I wasn't the only one who ever apparently noticed it.
@@chakkra69 It was obviously "Tearing her ass up"
@@JennySparkz She is immortal. Nah, she will be fine ;-)
@@GreyDeathVaccine "Sugar Walls of steel" :D
To be honest, Greek mythology is one big clusterfuck from the beginning to the end.
It helps to have an imagination and some comprehension skill.
*A Big Zeus-fuck from beginning to end.
All the incest, bestiality, pulling out organs... mmmmm..... On the other hand if you read the old testament it's pretty fu****d up as well.
Mic_Glow the Old Testament isn’t messed up at all
@@maul5578 You say it like it's a bad thing. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Every so often, declare peace. Really confuses the enemy.
Rule of Acquisition number 76.
"Wait, were we at war with each other?"
I think the aging works something like this. They age somewhat normally until they reach their physical prime and that's when their aging slows down. It doesn't stop, but like...they age SUPER slowly...I think that's how it works...idk
LOL I cracked up when you said "as I thrust deep into wonder woman and refuse to withdraw until I have reached a satisfying conclusion"
I want to thrust deep as well.
@@rvl480van5 What! together?
@@loon356 you clearly haven't seen as much porn as me to know that that's possible
Best line ever written! 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
Sounds fun, I like "skinny girls" like Gal. Super Models/Cocaine diet plan and that.
I think when I get around to watching it, I'll have no clue what's going on and just stare at Gal Gadot for two hours.
the reason I've seen this movie 5 times already
As for what is the movie about ?
...so I watch these "explanations" videos of 15 to 30 minutes
and still have not clue , just:
Ass , legs, tits and something that starts with "V ?
See, that was my problem with it. Yeah, she's pretty, but so so bland. Her prettiness is blah--not distinctive at all.
So western boys really the pet of jews, ha?
I hate sjw shit and I enjoyed the movie.
Mourning Star naw I wasn’t a huge fan of Endgame
I honestly think the movie would have been better if Steve had been Ares in disguise: It would have explained how he got through the Amazon’s shields, divine power, it would have set up a nice little conflict at the end when Ares reveals himself and it would explain the oddly sinister vibe the character has.
I like that idea. It would have been a really good reason why she turned her back on humanity for a long time. The one person she trusted and grew to love ended up being her enemy, that they manipulated her, used her and she had to kill him to save humanity. How can she trust anyone now without the fear of them being her enemy, the possibility of breaking her heart again?
this would have been excellent, especially if Ares was training WW to be more war like, like the humans, and to be willing to participate in human wars. Steve could be the one to convince her of her need to get involved. All the while Steve being Ares, to train her outside of her original training because it is her destiny to stand next to him. That would have made for excellent character development.
That would have been an excellent plot twist
The only problem with that is that Steve ain't Ares. Movie would have gotten major downvotes for changing a character so drastically.
@@Bladezeromus Yep. I think the movie sucks but I loved Steve is a character.
My take on the end is that Diana finally became mature and fully aware of what she is capable of with her powers. She had that capability since birth; her mother kept it muted.
Good point! And there are only so many challenges on the island. Getting out into the world gives Diana a chance to develop to her true potential.
My biggest problem with this movie was that when it goes into a flashback with Ares and Zeus, Ares is still some British dude with his flat hair and a mustache. Like, accent and all, full on British dude thousands of years ago 0-0.
Nah man, the British modeled themselves after him. It just took thousands of years to perfect it.
I mean if you were going to make a God of War character in a movie, doesn't it make sense to make him British? **puts the guy tapping on his head meme**
Nope, he was originally supposed to be Friedrich Alfred "Fritz" Krupp, sole proprietor of Krupp Steelworks, "The Reich's Armorer", and grand-daddy of the whole Military-Industrial Complex. (Seriously, look him up on Wikipedia. The picture fits Thewlis to a "T").
But, he was also homosexual, so according to The Message(TM) can't be the villain of a modern Hollywood movie.
i'd be stuttering too if I had Gal Gadot in my face
Stuttering? I'll be nutting dude.
I know right
I'd prefer Gal Gadot on my face but I'll take what I can get.
Lynda Carter and Gal Gadot are two of the hottest women ever. I just wanted to mention that.
It was fun watching Dr Poison get turned on by the mention of the renewing power of fire.
Gotta be honest the "power of love" thing at the end pissed me off more than you. Tens of thousands of soldiers fighting a war for 4 gruelling years and apparently all they really needed was to hug it out. It's senseless and a bit insulting.
I would have preferred that the backstory provided at the beginning was actually Zeus lying his ass off; then Aries tells WW that humans fight each other because their creators fight each other, so hard in fact that they destroyed each other. Zeus blamed Aries because, well who else do you blame for internal conflict ending your pantheon, the god of basket weaving?
It turns out Aries didn't manipulate people into fighting another, he's just the supervisor making the whole thing more efficient and regulated; Giving continuous conflict a definitive end, defining war crimes and terms of engagement and designing tactical measures to reduce overall casualty, you know things that make war _war_ and not senseless violence?
Edit: revised comprehension
I thought a good line for Aries would've been: "My power comes from *them*, not the other way around. I'm their democratically elected representative, after all."
Yes--World War One is the most complex war in the history of mankind, completely unlike anything that came before. Not even WW2 compares. It's not surprising that moviemakers would not understand this.
Love, mainly WW kicking ass along the Western front.
This comment series is more thought out than the movie plot. Loved it.
Yeah, no way if all the soldiers hugged each other how that would stop them from fighting. So womanly. The manly thing to do is to find a bunch of sparkly stones, stick them on a glove, then snap your fingers. Now that's how you win! C'mon man, it's all b.s. crap if you're gonna compare it to real world motivations too much. Relax, it may not have been your thing, but that movie was fun too.
The deceitfulness of human nature was an awesome message, and they totally undercut it with the Ares reveal at the end. Such a great setup and no payoff.
The island has a magic cloaking shield technology to hide but their weapons are still stuck at bows and arrows. Oh well...
@Shazbot81 Zeus is too busy trying to fuck everything to provide weapons.
@Shazbot81 yeah like a lasso that makes people tell the truth plus bracers of repelling. Maybe an indestructible shield that can block a tank shell head on? Oh wait.
What did you expect Zeus to give to Wonder Woman when he created her out of clay around 50 b.c.? A space age jet with a hyperdrive that comes with optional infinite power and plot armor if it ever explodes? This isn't Captain Marvel.
To those who say this is Zeus' fault, remember it's Hephaestus' job.
@@_V.Va_ He was serial rapist.
As far as I remember no one else on the island is shown to have super powers but ww is totally unaware that she’s the weapon and if they did have powers why did women die on the beach, Wonder Woman is fast enough to stop bullets like 20 mins later. Looks like they tried avoiding this hole by not showing her growing up...and wouldn’t she automatically be better then everyone with little training as she’s likely to rely on super strength, speed and that wave thing (how does she not know what a watch is it looks exactly like a small sundial) a mile long trench of soldiers all fire at one woman, ignoring the others
Actually I liked the fact that the sniper with ptsd didn't get better. ptsd is a serious problem. It makes the movie more humane especially by the other characters saying it is ok, we understand. I didn't think he was wasted. The only big issue I have is with Ares. He shouldn't have been shown in this movie, keeping the question open whether it is human nature to fight or Ares pulling strings.
A better fit for this movie/idea behind Wonder Woman would be the godess Eris.
I hear what you're saying, but Ares was the god of destructive war, senseless war. And WWI, more than any other war, comes closest to that Ares-style of war. And, no--not all war is like that. WWI is truly unique in human history.
I agree, the sniper with ptsd getting better at a key moment would have been the formula movie approach; but, hey, maybe some guys just don't get better.
@@DarthPlatoit’s pretty much the old empires of the 19th century last stand before the changing tide of the 20th comes through
I feel like the reason they're always training is just to pass to time and not die of bordem.
"DC are getting their act together"
Oh boy that statement did not age well at all...
Two words: Snyder Cut
@@ultimoyt0 What about the Snyder Cut? The Snyder Cut is awful.
@@vigil2150 yes just like your taste, may i ask what do you even like?
@@ultimoyt0 My taste? First of all you wouldn't know shit about my taste so show some common courtesy when talking to someone you don't know. Secondly, if you like The Snyder Cut more power to you but don't tell me it got DC's act back in track the movie was just as awful if not more awful than the Josh Whedon cut, if anything Josh Whedon's cut is the better cut. Synder's cut only added bloat and nonsensical world building, but I'm guessing someone like you watched the film for the pretty colours and cool fight scenes which fair enough those were good but at this point this is no achievement, it's an expectation. Anyway to cut this short what I like is my business and would never discuss it with someone as disrespectful as you, and the Snyder Cut is awful, every version of the Justice League live action film is awful. Have a good day.
@@vigil2150 what about cyborgs backstory and The world building, like how the mother boxes actually work, Stephenwolfs kinda backstory and The history between them all? Does are all essential Story telling that is essential to writing a story that Whedon cut failed to do. If you don’t like it, go ahead but It lacked so much Snydercut makes out. I think the worst part about snydercut is it’s time and the slow motion which could have been cut and the out of place song that was played when Flash saved Iris. If you don’t like it fine. It’s just strange when it’s a average movie, and I think it shines out more when you compare it to the whedon cut
5:10 "Holy shit, that is one beautiful woman!"... I agree, 100%... Gal is amazing
Yep no one should be able to look that good coming out of a trench.
Not really. Try to look at her without makeup. Or even worse, without clothing. She is too skinny. That canadian actress who played the shield agent alongside with samuel jackson... Blue eyes, brunette, etc? Now THAT is a beautiful woman who would fit WW much better.
@@RRRRRRRRR33 Cobie Smulders is the actress. I think she was cast as Wonder Woman for the cancelled Justice League movie in the late 2000's. If it wasn't for her Marvel contract, I think she would;ve been the best choice for Wonder Woman. But still, Gal Gadot was a good choice imo
@@DepravedCoTApologist Cobie... What a wierd name. Yep, that's her, she is gorgeous and a decent actress. Gadot imo is not pretty at all and, of course, she can't act. She was barely acceptable for me because she had some screen presence and charisma. But that considering her solo movie, in the Justice League movie she did a awful job. That scene when she confronts superman after his ressurection? I've seem better acting in porn movies man, not even joking.
@@RRRRRRRRR33 To be fair, most actors phoned it in for Justice League. Gadot's performances rely on how good her director is. But that's my lousy opinion
My favourite part was forgotten. The blue dress was stolen from an innocent, unarmed woman waiting to get into the party. Wonder Woman is never shown how she gets it because it would undermine the Hero premiss.
The movie basically has a stock sci-fi plot: a hero thrown into a strange unfamiliar world and causing trouble due to not understanding the culture and having conflicting values, but makes allies by inspiring residents to resist the forces of injustice in their system, and it all ends in some bittersweet way. Most Star Trek episodes used this plot template.
It's not about how stock the plot is, but what you do with it
Sure, he's Captain Kirk!
@@OdaKa and whether you use chicken, beef, or vegetable stock can really change the dish 🔥
Sounds less like Star Trek and more like Buck Rogers.
I think their point could have been a bit more poignant if they defeated Ares midway through the movie only for the fighting to continue, showing the main villain to be the dark side of human nature and war, rather than some guy manipulating everyone.
Might be a bit on-the-nose, but what if they'd framed it around the Christmas Truce, where defeating Ares earned them a single day of peace before humanity went right back to fighting. It would motivate a wiser Wonder Woman to not just fight gods to protect humanity, but that fighting evil men would protect humanity from itself.
Good? Not really.
Entertaining? For sure.
Gal Gadot is a wonderful woman 👌
i love the brie larson cuts, hilarious, wonder woman is indeed a flawed movie but i can forgive it for Gal Gadot alone, she is so damn charming and absolutely succeeds at making wonder woman, wonderful!!!
She is a very limited actress at best and completely wooden at worst.
Gal Gadot couldn't act her way out of a wet paper bag.
She looks good and nothing more.
The Conscientious Objector does it matter 😂
Gal Gadot is a garbage actress. What are you smoking?
@@2bituser569 It matters.
it wasn't THAT good, But it was good as an action based movie. It ain;t a great movie as in an amazing story and so on
It was a brilliant story until......... areessssss!!🤧
Yea, i dont agree with you. It was a surprisingly great story.
@@frankvandermerwe1487 Okay?
Comparing to second part it was briliant xD...
I think what resonated with audience members is that Gadot played it straight and sincere.
Marvel pulls its punches. If things ever get sincere, someone cracks wise.
YES, this film is flawed. BUT, it honestly optimistic
"War, it's fantastic." Love that scene from Hot Shots part deux.
The third act of this film is terrible.
All that nice stuff in the village, Trevor and Poison's little conversation... and it all gets capsized by a dumb fight that forgets the message it JUST tried to tell one scene ago. I like to think of the DCEU as a marathon: Wonder Woman tripped out the gate, recovered, got a good pace going, and then managed a first place by virtue of face-planting on the finish-line. Oh and all the other participants spontaneously combusted.
This whole film is terrible.
It almost destroyed the movie. The first two acts are great.
@@cameronica I'm gonna be honest, thats the biggest bullshit I've heard all year. And I've heard alot of bull dodo.
@@AllanElMelon1043 he is right tho
More to the point, the Amazons have had thousands of years of training, yet missed nearly all their arrow shots on the German Boats..?
Bows aren't terribly accurate due to the Archer's Paradox. Modern bows get around the paradox by having a cutout that the arrow rests in, but even they still suffer accuracy-wise. And all weapons suffer shot-deviation at long ranges, it's not that implausible.
@@jamestanzer9188 I feel like the impact of the archer's paradox is grossly overstated in general, but especially on people who've been training for literally centuries.
@@InfernosReaper True, but it's still noticeable at long ranges. Also remember the context of the original statement. The Amazons, who have been practicing with their bows for a long time, missed stationary boats from the of a cliff. Then they traded evenly with conscripts, i.e. bottom-of-the-barrel troops quality wise, in a shootout that they should have won easily, especially since we saw them practicing fire-and-manuever techniques that would have been invaluable in that exact situation. God only knows what would have happened if they had run into regulars, much less sturmtruppen.
@@jamestanzer9188 sturmtruppen? I don't think those guys existed yet in the timeline.
This is set in WWI for *some* reason, even though it looks and plays out more like WWII, except for the bolt action rifles,. Hell, even those were starting to be phased out during that war anyway as multiple semi-auto rifles had come into existence earlier in the century and even saw use in WWI.
@@InfernosReaper Sturmtruppen were first used in WW1 in October 1915, where they captured French positions in the Vosges Mountains, and were subsequently used throughout the remainder of the war as shock troops and the lead elements in offensives.
Edit: minor typo fix
When I was 7, I saw Gallipoli with Mel Gibson at school and took Anzac Day very seriously ever since.
"This is No Man's Land. It means no man can cross it, alright?" That scene brought tears to my eyes and it still does. It just made the entire film for me.
It’s crazy they let us watch that movie in primary school hey?
How fast are you gonna run? As fast as a leopard.
@@danielmcgivern6260 Was Gallipoli gory at all? I don't remember.
@@OZTutoh not so much gory as bloody…especially when he got shot at the end…
@@danielmcgivern6260 he got shot in the end? spoiler alert
@@Ob1sdarkside 😂😂😂….sorry
The No Man's Land scene was really cool and all, but I am STILL unclear if she can be hurt by bullets. It makes no sense that firearms would pose even a mild threat to her given how strong she is, but she still goes out of her way to block or deflect them? it makes sense when she's protecting others, but she acts like she herself is vulnerable to them.
Also, there's no reason she couldn't just jump over to the other trench in the first place. I liked it though, it was a fun movie and Gal Gadot is an absolute delight
i hate this image, having an invincible being in the middle of one of the most gruesome war ever fought, only surpassed by the Eastern Front of WWII, feels wrong and disrespectful
Gal Gadot only got paid like $300k for Wonder Woman too so you could say she revitalized the DC universe wallets
@VampireVlad back then probably but now she is worth millions
isn't she got bonuses from ticket sales, just like keanu from matrix and rdj from iron man
That was just the signing bonus before the movie, she made several millions after the box office premiere
You can pay me 300k for 6 months work anytime. Sounds like she got paid what actors are worth.
"Gal Gadot's net worth is $10 million dollars."...
Well, whatever the case may be, Gal Gadot has more charisma and presence in her left pinky, than Brie Larson as a whole. Sorry Brie....work on that.
Hey now, that much resting bitch face takes a lot of effort for Mz. Larson...
I mean, Brie should get an Oscar for that kind of performance, not to mention for Endgame... She gives Peter Parker her resting bitch face until he speaks and shows just how submissive and fearful he is, which wins her approval, and she smiles at him...
Now that's a stronk whamen...
It's no contest. Larson doesn't just lack charisma, she has anti-charisma that drains all the fun and life out of her surroundings. She doesn't have zero personality...she has below-zero personality which causes damage other people around her.
@@TheMaleRei She was just horribly miscast. Clearly she wasn't right for that part, but if you see her in 'Room' she was actually great.
@@harryireland1935
Miscast or not, it's still her fault. I wonder if she was told to be "stoic" or to "behave like a man" or whatever the hell it was...
As it was, she deliberately displayed the emotional range of a ham sandwich - and she probably thought she was being "stunning and brave" in her portrayal...
For me, the weirdest thing about Themyscira is that there are actually canon answers to all questions raised about their seemingly fragile defenses in the movie.
It seems that having an island of primordial warriors seems more digestible for audiences than an island of primordial warriors with a few instances of hyper-advanced tech and guarded by an underwater army of super-megalodons.
I’m sorry what?
I see this comment was edited. Is this a Wakanda reference?
"A generically wise Native American" LOL!!
@mysteryman2024 >>> HA!!!!
@mysteryman2024 How dare you mock Chief Spitting Bull!
That man is an immortal demigod.
They finally took the land back from the palefaces
Hi youre hot bye
Given all the hype and praise this film got at the time.. When I finally saw it on blu ray I thought it was disappointing average.
I hear you. I think drinker got it right toward the end, the movie was just the first non-batman DC movie that isn't complete shit so everyone got all excited about it. For mine it may not have been steaming, but it was still a bit of a turd.
Amen to that!
They say that Captain Marvel was awful!
And yet....
They say that Wonder-Woman was perfect!
How?!
@#$%ing Hippocrates! -_-
Funny, I said practically the same thing a few years ago on imgur or somewhere and got downvoted to oblivion.
@@KingMickeyMouseOoO Who the fuck is "they" in your cute little story?
@@paft Yeah I asked the same question to Google about why everyone loved Wonder Woman so much, and the first article that came up was titled, "Is it just me or...was Wonder Woman not that great?" and I was like "oh finally, someone feels like it was just okay but not a masterpiece." Then I read it and it turned out she thought the movie wasn't feminist enough because "there was a man starring in the movie."
I still love the film (and Gal), but damn your videos are great, LMAO!
gal is an androgen
@@pokemontas8025 a what?
@@weedmastersr gal is a guy. Diana is the God of androgony. She's a hijra diety. Man+woman = un appointed gender equality ambassador.
What the actual fuck are you guys on about? lol
@@weedmastersr a hermaphrodite. Gal is a man. Large skull, prominent brow ridge, strong jaw, shoulders broader than hips, up and down body like a man, long femurs, tall, etc. Google it without makeup. All the signs are there you just gotta see it.
I'm a little surprised you didn't mention how can a little shield protect Wonder Woman from machine gun fire, are her legs somehow invulnerable while her upper body is not, what is going on there
the soldiers just all aim on the middle of her shield for no reason lol
@@arroe8386 Nah, soldiers were just simping for her.
@@_thechosen A reasonable position.
She's probably bulletproof anyway so it doesn't really matter
Bug in the game, her hitbox doesn't go any lower than her hips
It was alright, but I didn't think it was nearly as good as the hype made it out to be.
Come for the accent, stay for the awesome content
Really messes with the continuity when it shows how obscene the firepower disparity became between the Amazons and the Atlanteans with the Aquaman movie.
The Amazons are barely drawing even against mooks wielding WW1 weaponry, and there are multiple Kingdoms under the sea with so much fighting power and/or tech that each one of them would wipe WW2 nations from the face of the planet solo.
Because they had men.
@@spacepope87 Seems counter-productive to the gender equality argument, but that is the only real conclusion one can have.... Well, either that or the generations of cultural stagnation from isolationism basically made them like Japan vs Matthew Perry.
@@InfernosReaper If the underwater kingdoms have massively larger populations and technological bases and have been at war with each other for hundreds of years, you would expect their military technology to be very advanced. If the Amazonians never fight anyone armed with more than a bronze spear, they never need to innovate. Also, if they are only living on one island, they are unlikely even to have the mineral resources required to develop iron or steel...
5:09 I feel the exact same thing, man...damn!
Also, it's been 4 years now and this video is still relevant and fun on a rewatch. See you in 4 years.
You made some good points that I did not consider back then. I mostly liked the film because of Gal Gadot and her charisma (and her looks) and Wonder Woman is one my favorite comic book characters. Compared to Captain Marvel it is a masterpiece. Another thing that I liked that (also compared to Captain Marvel) it was not sooo feminist (of course WW is a feminist icon so it was unavoidable to have some), but Steve was not that inept compared to other male characters in feminist films.
Lynda Carter should have played the Queen, mother of Wonder Woman.
It would have been a great justaposition, kind of like the Flash (1980's) playing the dad of the Flash (2014-now) in present day. But I'm afraid Linda Carter isn't as beautiful any more as she would need to be in order to perform the athleticism of that role. Better to use princess buttercup (The Princess Bride) who is 10y younger.
Bro, in all seriousness. You need to be a comedy writer. This is too small of a platform for someone of your comedy caliber.
Plus we need more good comedy. So hard to come by these days.
In the mean time, I’ll enjoy your videos. Thanks for the laughs
I agree wholeheartedly
Indeed
Actually, having Ares broker the armistice was brilliant on the writer's parts: the armistice, in real life, ultimately gave way to the alies being selfish pricks and fucking up Germany for a laugh, thus leading to Hitler's rise in power, and WWII.
And the long-range bomber was also implemented in WWI as well, although it's max range was Germany to England and back again. Other than that, you're pretty spot on.
@Абдульзефир But the Germans didn't start WWI. And for most of the war, they were fighting defensively. They weren't really out to conquer, just to hold on to what they had gotten in the first few months of the war. Even then, they seemed willing to compromise if given a fair deal, they just got made out to be absolute monsters by the English press, so that British people wouldn't feel like they were fighting a pointless war for no reason.
@@roflchiefmcjoflchief1791 ok
@@roflchiefmcjoflchief1791 ok
@@margarettealfeche8730 lmao
@@margarettealfeche8730 lol
Best Line: "Turns out that swords and Spears aren't that good against 20th century infantry." Shocker! LMAOROF
"Holy shit! That's one beautiful woman right there"
Critical Drinker: "No i mean the real one, Ares"
Kratos: "I'm coming for you boy"
7:29 love how you ask "Do these people look like they keep up with current events?" When that exact question is the reason why Steve is so perplexed.
I see it's flaws but i still enjoyed Wonder Woman i thought it was very sweet and lovely unlike Captain Marvel.
Lol i second that, brie larson is so toxic
Translation: "Wonder Woman showed her legs and fucked Chris Pine, therefore I didn't have to treat her as a person."
@@VideoHostSite what do you mean?
I felt an alien when this film came out, everyone was raving about it but I thought it was boring and kinda stupid.
It's thoroughly mediocre in almost every way
Same.
As long as there are some explosions, cool fight scenes, some yet unexplained power/ability that the protagonist uses in the final scene, most people will enjoy it without thinking whether as a whole the movie was good or not. Most people just want to chill out unless it is a horror or mystery thriller. Superhero flicks are just made to rake in money. Not to make sense
Fully agree here..the whole movie was mediocre, maybe not as insulting as Ghostbusters/Charlie's Angels/The Last Jedi/Captain Marvel etc, but definitely as stupid as the "lead" female in, say, tv series Warehouse 13..bear with me. Both ladies spend their entire time pouting into the camera, the casting assumes the sheer sex appeal of the leads makes up for their utter lack of acting ability, they are wooden and uncharismatic (despite, unquestionably, being beautiful), and of course the movie/series plot got weaker and weaker as the thing progressed, so the losing of interest in the acting was compounded/not compensated by the lack of developing plot. Sound familiar?
I particularly was greatly annoyed by the fawning over Gal Gagot that followed the movie, the media just kept falling over itself heaping the praise, but when you are awarding an ACTRESS a Time magazine 'MOST' INFLUENTIAL PERSON IN THE WORLD accolade based on the fact her GRANDFATHER was a concentration camp survivor, and she was in the Israeli ARMY (note, NONE of this to do with acting, with charity work, or contributions to anything), you can sense the hype had nothing to do with the movie.
I hope it is obvious here what I'm trying to say; sex appeal is NOTHING if the acting/script is shit (Halle Berry/Catwoman? Brigitte Nielsen/Red Sonja? Pamela Anderson/ Barb Wire??), while a "strong, non-sexy woman" is NOT the turnoff fake feminism would accuse "toxic male fans" of trolling (Lucy Lawless/Xena? Uma Thurman/Kill Bill? Kate Beckinsale/Van Helsing? Mila Jovovich/Resident Evil? Hell, even Sigourney Weaver in the original Aliens!)..I LOVED Linda Carter as the cheesy '70s Wonder Woman, she was smart/sexy/feminine and, crucially, NOT all powerful, she would regularly get kidnapped by the baddies and you'd have an "anxious" time worrying if she'd be ok..exactly the same contrast between the original Charles's Angels and the idiot parody of them in 2019.
This Wonder Woman fights a GOD and wins pretty much effortlessly, at no point feels "warm" or weak or even remotely human or likeable, and the movie is used as a surrogate "support" for anti-semitism wokeness (would anyone DARE to blast Gal the same way Brie Larson was mocked, given her grandfather's sacrifices?! Although, admittedly, she made nowhere near as big an ass of herself as Brie Larson or Elizabeth Banks did, she was the perfect model of how a successful movie star should portray herself).
Overall, the movie was much weaker than we're told it was, and sequel or not, is not something that will have the iconic status or instant recognition of the leads in the examples above, or Linda Hamilton/Terminator, Jodie Foster/Silence of the Lambs, Scarlett Johansson/Black Widow, Whoopi Goldberg/pretty much anything from her early career!
There are 10s of us! (Worldwide. Maybe.)
"Superficially charming" - that's perfectly on point!
I remember as I watched this movie wanting to like it more. The writing isn't too cheesy with one liners, the pacing is pretty good, and Gal Gadot might be the most beautiful woman on Earth. But every so often, consistently, something would pop up with the plot line, or the setup, or the meta that would distract me from immersing myself in the film. And that's before the debacle of an ending where I started shaking my head as soon as Ares took form. This film is a good study in how many different ways you can contradict your world and storyline within a couple minutes. Breathtakingly eye rolling at the end...
One thing destroys this movie, and it's the same thing that destroys 90% of all movies. Teal & Orange™.
"Join u as u thrust deep into Wonder woman..."
I will mate,lol
Ha
Anybody else see this video blocked by Warner brothers? seemed to be resolved really fast i think!
@Aleric Razorfist is still down
Aleric Razorfist?? That pedo apologist??
11:07 Lucky how every single bullet heading straight for that shield and not a single one goes for her well I don't know let's try legs for example
That "Fukk off film" clip insertion has me WEAK!! I can't stop laughing. 😂😂😂
That clip was a brilliant find for this catch phrase. I can't help but be more and more impressed with the drinker with every video he makes.
@Truth Hurts LOL... Thanks, invisible troll. 😂😂😂😂
And it also works for "What the actual fuck??"
*Imagine* Gal Gadot making an oopsie less than a year after this video.
I never would of imagined it. But when I saw that video, I cringed, facepalmed, and was dumbfounded by such ignorance.
It's been a year since that video already and it will forever be remembered for how horrid and cringey it is
What video?
WHAT VIDEO? lol
@@vishalbharti5483 the video’s name is Imagine, hence all the puns
Same opinion with the ending, it wasn't satisfying and seemed like they didn't spend enough time on writing it
More films need to be set during World War I. It's such an interesting period of history when warfare was changing rapidly and all countries involved were racing to keep up. WW2 is popular because it's got such a clear villain, but I think WW1 is much more interesting overall.
Is it me or are protectors of peace, who's first reactions to incoming ships is just start shooting arrows at them, before they know anything, kinda really bad at their job?
It's honestly something I take umbrage with, whenever Wonder Woman tries to lecture mankind for being violent or war-hungry. She comes from a warrior race, with a might-makes-right attitude, that values violence and combat above all else. It's incredibly hypocritical. It's a bit like Jeff Bezos criticizing you for being too wealthy.
"So anyway in a shocking twist of faith the god of war started making wars happen" nice :)
"Fate"...not "faith". Learn your cliches.
to be fair he was also the god of food supply
I know the writing for Ares is not the most liked, but I loved that David Thewlis was Ares. Maybe it's because I grew up with him as the mad king Einon in Dragonheart that naturally I figured what better upgrade could you get than to be the God of War himself. And I did like how he was at first treated in a way akin to the Devil, whispering in the ears of the human antagonists to steer them into making bad decisions. While I personally really liked Wonder Woman, I do admit on reflection in that I agree it can't seem to make up its mind on how it wants to pay itself off and the message it wanted to convey. It has the ideas, even the right ones, but didn't seem to know how to utilize them effectively. I don't mind the final battle with Ares, but I would've liked it more had it been better balanced with its original message that humans have a penchant for war and Ares is merely the overseer of it, like the Greek God equivalent of a D&D dungeon master. And instead of Ares dying and everyone just stops randomly fighting, he just fades away back to where he came from all battered and leaves Diana alone to take Steve's final words into serious consideration that we are a very deeply flawed species, and this revelation combined with his death just causes her to further isolate herself from the world for the next 100 years before finally deciding to better herself and take charge as a positive figure for the world. Would've been a more bitter-sweet ending, but with more meat to it than how it ultimately ended up, I think.
one point, the original wonder woman tv show was great. Lynda was just stunning and that outfit was amazing.
I love this man has sacrificed his liver for my entertainment,I love it.
Worst point about the movie:
in his flashbacks Aris had a mustache...
A greek god with a mustache xD
Ares brokering the peace treaty was a genius idea actually. He fostered an alliance so he could whisper in each leaders mind that betrayal was incoming. The worst emotion is when a friend betrays you. So how I perceived the idea is that Ares created a massive anger pressure cooker to take place. 🤔🤔
Except that the Germans had no choice but to surrender. The homeland was literally starving, they were running out of munitions, soldiers were mutinying, the Kaiser had collected his P45 and run to Holland and Ludendorff had been sacked as a consequence of losing his marbles.
There were no negotiations, no bargaining, no meeting of minds. The Armistice was presented in a railway carriage and the Germans were told where to sign it.
The war was then put on a timer, set to 11/11/18 at 1100 hours because Wilson, Lloyd George and Clemenceau had OCD or something.
Just found your channel and I love your takes on all the movies I've seen you review so far. Just to touch on the Amazon's lack of technology, I think it actually kind of makes sense both in terms of realism and the movies themes. Technology rarely advances at a rapid pace in a bubble, no pun intended. It tends to advance when people have to adapt and innovate, or have previous advances to try creative new techniques on. That's one of the reasons why we see a *lot* of improvements in various fields during times of war: The need to adapt, improve, and find new ways to outmaneuver or overpower the opposition drives people to try all kinds of things that they might brush off as ridiculous in normal circumstances. The complete isolation of the Amazons deprived them of that need for innovation. They're somewhat akin to the indigenous people of North Sentinel Island in that, lacking any real significant contact with the world outside of their limited living area, they've had no real need to develop beyond what they already had. Their society already had what was necessary for them to survive, so there was no need for change.
I think that was probably intentional, too. The first act of the story put a pretty decent emphasis on how the Amazons stubbornly insisted that they shouldn't be involved in the rest of the world, with Diana being the only one who felt that they should get involved, and her personal journey highlights why that decision was a good one. She spends most of the movie fixated on the idea that her beliefs are absolutely correct and that the current conflict is a simple black-and-white scenario that can be ended by eliminating Ares, with the same kind of mindset the rest of the Amazon's take on their isolationist policies. When she leaves her island, she's eventually forced to recognize that her worldview isn't right and adapt to a new reality (I feel like the soldiers stopped less because Ares was gone, and more because they literally just watched what was basically two gods duke it out and decided that maybe it was time to *not* draw the winner's attention), and her ability to do that is what ultimately paves the way for her victory. Well, that and "the power of love," but...meh. The point I'm getting at is that the Amazons refused to change and got the crap kicked out of them, while Diana grew stronger and wiser by overcoming the mentality that she already knows everything she needs to know.
Of course, I could just be reading too much into it. Beyond that, I could probably work out some explanations for some of the shenanigans in the third act, but again...meh. It really did kind of start to fall apart in that area. I still think it was a really fun movie overall, and easily one of the best DC movies we've gotten. It's almost like the people behind the movie actually cared about and respected the character, and weren't just trying to play catch-up with the MCU at the cost of things like characterization or pacing.
Also, technology needs raw materials. Like, how many different kinds of metals exist on Themyscira? Do they have oil?
wait... if Ares is dead, why did World War II happened??
A couple reasons.
1. The ever-present problem of using our world's history and defining events for fictional stories. No matter what these super humans/semi-humans/gods do, things have to play out like they did in our reality.
2. So this is entry number... I stopped counting after three thousand... in the "man evil" stories. In particular, it's implied that humanity will fight and do bad things even without Ares' influence. This is what they were going for with the scene where Dianne questions Steve about why people are still fighting and he says he doesn't know and that it could be any number of reasons, and also when Ares explained that he supposedly doesn't directly tell people to kill each other but just give them weapon ideas.
Look at the Wonder Woman comics, thekar.
because Charlie Chaplin invaded Poland
That would be a whole nother movie wouldn't it?
thekar he didn’t die
Jesus Christ the innuendo in the beginning. I will ride with you through the mists of avalon sir
Acknowledging the justice of many of our beloved Drinker’s observations, I liked this movie way more than I thought I would, and enjoy rewatching it from time to time.
Writing this before watching: no, not really. First 2 acts were ok and sometimes really good, third was a total mess, which ruined everything, including fairly wise message about roots of all evil in people's own stupidity, not in some wicked god's ploy. Overall it was fine, a bit less dumb than Aquaman, a bit less entertaining too, while both those movies stand out of that pile of shit which is called DCEU.
There are so many wrong things with this movie that he didn't even get into. For example Steve not being able to say a coherent 3 word sentence through most of the movie then pulling scientific vocavulary when flirting with Dr Poison.. I was watching the movie thinking "How did people think this was good??"
@@kodguerrero - I haven't seen the film but from what I hear from this video it is absolute crap.
@@saymyname2417 He only commented on half of the things I would say are bad. You should watch it just to remind you what cheesy, predictable movies used to be like and how far we''ve come since
@@kodguerrero - Yes, you're correct! And I may watch it if it's on tv. If I can bring myself to. Have a great weekend!
Yeah they had a somewhat decent movie going and then they threw it all away in the finale. It's a shame really.
I could not play this from My Notification list... It was like it had been REMOVED ??? Wow, You tube AT IT AGAIN ! Keep the great vids coming mate.
The truth can be a most cruel mistress. You, Drinker, have comically dispelled the film’s magic. With that said, I still like it.
Cheers, bro!
Amen to that brother.
interesting hearing your narration on this in 2022. You've dialed up your voice to become the CD we know and love.
film was decent, the part i hated most of all about it was how it portrayed the german empire as being as bad as the nazis in wwii; yeah, thats just not true
They both weren't as bad as portrayed. The winners write the history. Propaganda 101
@@L30B055 Tell that to the people murdered in concentration camps. Do you like taking bath with soap made from human fat?
It was kind of ironic that they just pretended that the German soldiers were Nazi's while the guy manning the machine gun could have been Corporal Hitler since he was there in the trenches fighting for his country just like all the other patriotic young men on both sides.
Speaking of machine guns, it's really stupid to suppose that a bunch of WW1 soldiers would fire on a beautiful woman dressed like a stripper as she approached their trench. It is more likely that they would call to her and try to get her out of no man's land and to the relative safety of their trench. They had no reason to imagine her to be an enemy soldier or any danger to them at all. That scene was just stupid.
@Joe Blow But `Leo C` wrote `They both weren't as bad as portrayed`. For me, it is not important what ideology stood behind both wars. Only the bestiality and the number of victims matter.
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@@caricueShe carries a shield. It is a warrior attribute. That's why they shoot at her.
What is stupid is that they shoot at the target instead of aiming at unprotected parts of the body.