FL5 Type R 1 Year Ownership! ... Buy now? or Wait?
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- Опубліковано 12 гру 2023
- Is the FL5 Type R worth buying right now?
Let's find out!
Can't believe it's now been just over a year that I picked up my brand new FL5 Type R. So much has already been done, so much has already been achieved but the journey continues.
If you want any mods for your Honda you can find most of my upgrades and everything for the FK8 Type R right here at Two Step Performance. Anything you buy through my affiliate link does help support my channel so anything you buy through the link is truly appreciated! :)
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Love everything about your FL5, that Urban Bamboo wrap looks stunning from that drone footage! Keep up the great content!
Thank you! 🙏🏽
As a fellow FL5 (boost blue) owner, I love what you've done. The color is sick, and I love the aeros and stance! Absolutely gorgeous Type R! Well done! 🤌
Thank you! 🙏🏽
love the rebranding, followed you when you first got the fk8, super psyched for you that you have an fl5! Maybe my chance will come in a few years!
Great time to get it right now if you can! MSRP will be going up for 2024.
I always look out for your car when I'm in the north bay. Looks gorgeous sir.
Thank you!
I like both of mine, ‘23 and ‘24 FL5. Nice vid!
Thank you!
Just put a deposit down on one this week, should be here in January. Can’t wait to see the difference on track and everyday between my FK8 and the FL5. I love your perspective and insights on both platforms, keep the content coming.
Thank you!
You won’t regret it.
@user-gz9tq9fo5b Could be late, sure. That’s just the best guess based on it being already built and shipping. Not worried, I get to enjoy my FK8 until it gets here.
Any markup?
@@davelospinoso9022 Yes, but after looking for over two months this was the lowest additional markup I was quoted by a huge margin. I’d prefer not to say the amount or the dealership
Love what you've done with the car, it looks great. Love the paint colour and the rims.
Thank you 🙏🏽
no problem. Good inspiration for when I get mine. I'm in Australia though, so wait times have been longer and its much pricier, costing around $70,000! @@GridZilla
@@adzer0_0 yeah I’ve heard prices are pretty crazy over there
Love the track days. Awesome Ride. More mods to come? Great vid.
For sure! Still plenty left to do
your car look amazing, everything fits nicely
Thank you! 🙏🏽
MAN already 1 year!! that was quick!
Right?
Just picked up a brand new championship white fl5 and I'm in love from a 2013 WRX to a 2023 type R 😊
Can never go wrong with Championship white!
Hey man, great review! Awesome aftermarket parts including your wrap! It'd be helpful though if you mentioned how much camber you got. It's amazing you got no scraping in the front fender wells. Eibachs are dissappointing.
-1.9 in the front (pin out)
-2.4 in the rear
Lots of fender space on the FL5 so no scrapping
First time seeing your channel, love the vibes with the background music. Thinking of upgrading my Si to either a Type-R or an Audi RS3. The RS3 is significantly more expensive but it only beat the Type-R on Nurbergring by 4 seconds. Nothing an FBO set up wouldn't fix. Of the 2, the closest to any I've driven was the FK8. I can't stand the looks of the FK8 but the drive was magical. I assume the FL5 is the same at least. I LOVE the looks of the FL5. It's sleek and clean, plus, as you mentioned, no fake vents. I can't stand fakeness.
Welcome to the channel! I like the RS3 too but like you said. Just a few bolt ons 😈
@@GridZilla yeah after doing research, the Type-R is a better daily. Once i pay it off and turn it into a pure project car, I'm going to get a luxury sport sedan for daily.
Awesome car. That color wrap isn’t very photogenic but I’m sure it looks much nicer in person. Local guy here. Catch ya later…
Yeah for sure it doesn’t look anything like it does in person. Hopefully one day you see it in person
nice aerial shot with the R!!!
Thank you!
solid car, well put together
Thank you!
You've got me considering a FL5 over a Fk8
We already what you’ll end up with 😉 lol
Ngl bro, love your intro with godzilla sounds
Thank you! Took a few before I settled on that one. Love the whole Godzilla JDM vibe
I have the fl5 and I miss the rawness of the older Hondas. Fl5 is more refined, but that doesn’t always make things better. It’s fine. It’s a great car. But I miss the ‘feel’ of the older Hondas.
I know what you mean. It’s the analog charm as I call it. You could feel and hear and smell everything. Old Hondas will always have a soft spot in my heart.
Regulations suck.
@@c.m.7037 agreed
I have a 99 em1 turbo, a 07 sc s2000, and an fl5. It's my least favorite "fun" car I have by a mile. Still an iconic car for this Era. I'll keep it in the collection and will be sticking to the older jdms moving forward.
@@HagueD22 nothing will ever be as raw and visceral as the older cars so as far as a driving experience and fun factor are concerned I agree with you.
I always said the FK8 was what ricer in me wanted and it gave that to use. The FL5 is what the adult in me really loves.
it's subjective 100% I love both, but i'm reallllly starting to like the FL5 look. It seems really subtle and that's what the Honda guy in me wants. I want you think i'm not sports car and it's totally a sports car.
I’ve loved the FL5 look from Day 1
Thanks Mike. I enjoyed this video. I picked up my FL5 last week and kept my FK8 for now. Having a FE1 as a daily it wasn't that unfamiliar experience with the FL5. I hope to get back to autocrossing and track driving with both of these. Are you local? I noticed the background is One Lake, which is close to me.
Yeah I live in the area! Love One Lake!
OMG! That's great to see your FL5 sir! So beautiful color and nice build! Have you tried exhaust ground wire yet? I have heard about that and not sure how effective that is.
I haven’t no. An exhaust ground wire? What is that supposed to do?
@@GridZilla I was told it could provide extra ground and reduce static electricity to make the car more smooth. It's a Japanese brand named Kakimoto. I'm curious about that too. Anyway, just love your car!
@@xxxraider9686 I did have a ground wire kit on my FK8. Maybe I’ll look into for the FL5 too
@@GridZillaThanks your info sir! Is RV6 turbo still a good choice for FL5? I'm looking for big turbo kit like RV6 MHI and PRL, which would you recommend?
@@xxxraider9686 biggest numbers will be on the PRL, you can hit the same numbers on the RV6 if you have the right fuel and supporting mods, MHI will give you a little bit less power than the other two but OEM reliability.
Nothing wrong with the RV6 turbo. It’s a great choice but DO NOT run it without the RV6 by pass valve.
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Merci beaucoup mon Ami!
If only they carried the red to the backseats, with an arm rest! A Type R coupe would impress me more!
I feel like this could’ve been the Integra Type S/R. Missed the boat on making that a 2 door
How did you get the TS Performance DP? I also live in California and they can't ship it to me :(
They ship to well the other states…. Pick one
The new EG and EK of this generation.
Id agree with that
I have spoon rigid collars for the s2k. it def made a difference on an older chassis. Did it do anything for the FL5? Thinking about getting it for my DE5
Great question and a surprising result tbh because it made a very noticeable difference on my FK8 but barely any difference on my FL5. I think that’s sound proof that the chassis is just that much stiffer and everything on the car is just a bit tighter than the FK8. Still a great mod though
Thanks for sharing your experiences with the CTR. The wrap looks great, quite unique color, what was the original color if I may ask? I just put down the deposit on a blue 2023 5LF, will receive it in about a week. I cant wait TBH. It was sold at MSRP though I am not in the US so its a bit different. Planning to keep the car stock, but I am worried about the car overheating. Its a very hot country, talking about 110-125 F most of the summer. Also I would really need the AC to be as cool as it get to survive. I wouldn't want to add much to the car as well to avoid any warranty violations ( comes with a 5 year warranty or 85K miles ). Will it be fine for a canyon run or will it still overheat?
Congrats! You won’t over heat doing canyon runs even in 100f+ heat.
The car may pull some timing though. Would hurt to get a good radiator and intercooler and oil be fine
@@GridZilla thanks again for your response. What are the oil change intervals that you use as well as what is the grade and brand?
@@alishwaiheen1532 Generally every 5k miles or every 2 track days. Or maybe 1 track day + 3k miles.
I use mostly Amsoil Dominator 5W20 but I’ve also used Motul 300V 0W20 in the past
Hi. Did you have to cut off your bump stops when you installed the Eibach springs?
No
Yo my man is where you were filming yourself towards the start of the video in the Temecula/Murrieta area?
I live in NorCal. This particular spot is One Lake Fairfield. Very close to where I live.
Looks sick where can I get that piece u used to hold the shifter boot?
Reach out to Hybrid Racing. Dave put together the pieces for me to make that shifter boot work.
If i could find a new sonic gray pearl FL5 id buy it today
What are you power numbers if you can disclose them. Also what can you say about the upgraded Mitsubishi turbo vs. Stock fl5 in terms of power delivery, response?
WHP is approx 415 ish
I say ish because there was a small boost leak at 398WHP. When that got fixed I found another 2psi of boost but it was off the dyno at that point.
The MHI feels like a more powerful FK8 turbo.
Different characteristic from the stock FL5 turbo which is a bit smaller than the OEM FK8. Much more noticeable low end torque.
Thanks for the replay 415 is respectable that would be exactly what I would want on my FL5 I wouldn’t need more than that. I run my car as daily and will maybe do one track day over 3 years of ownership
Most people don’t track their cars as much as this. Even if you did, absolutely not worth paying over MSRP for 1-2 seconds faster around a lap imo.
Don’t buy the FL5 because it’s slightly faster, buy it because you love it more as a whole.
I love my fk8 so I’m sticking with it
Absolutely! It’s a fact that 97% of people we’ll never track there car let alone at my frequency so you’re 100% right
If you can buy one for msrp... if
@@xKawesome used F8 are still selling for more than what they sold for brand new at MSRP. How would you expect the all new FL five to sell an MSRP?
@@GridZilla you can't buy them for mrsp that's my
Reasoning
Do you reckon to install oil cooler kit on FK8 ? Usually track the car once or twice a year 😅
Doesn’t hurt!
What would you say the bare minimum would be needed for track mods? I was thinking brake fluids, pads and prl intercooler. 🤔
Brake pads, brake fluid. That’s it. You’ll know what else you’ll need once you track it.
@@GridZilla thanks!! I'm still a newbie when it comes to tracking. What oil temp is too hot when I'm out lapping
@@iKillPhoU you’re unlikely to hit too high a temp if you’re new to tracking but generally anything above 290F on oil is no bueno
Looks great bro! What is the size of your paragon brake kit? is it 370x36mm or 355x32mm?
370mm front 350mm rear
@@GridZilla thanks, i appreciate the reply. Can i assume it fits in your apex 18s wheels without any spacer?
@@BuntaTesla correct
Does the FL5 overheat on the track just like the shitty FK8? My FK8 overheats after 1.5-2 laps and goes to limp mode each time I'm hammering it on a 80+F temp track day.
It does and it will overheat BUT it’s a much better starting point than with the FK8. More room in the engine bay for cooling and ducting.
@@GridZilla I had the Varis vented hood, koyorad upgraded radiator, 2020 Front grill upgrade, HKS oil cooler, 5w30 oil, turbo blanket, RVS downpipe ceramic coated and that was still not enough to keep the heat down. The turbo on the FK8 is too damn close to the Radiator, heat soak all day.
@@rayleung1 ohhhh yeah been there done that on my FK8 when I had it.
Does this car still overheat on the track? Like your previous FK8.
It will yes but not as bad. Still needs mods to keep it cool but it’s a much better starting point
295s? That will look incredible.
Tons of grip
Does this have a 2nd gear grind from the fk8?
Nope
How u compare fl5 and supra? im fk8 owner. was thinking change to fl5 or supra mk5 3.0
Two completely different cars. Only comparable from a price standpoint but after that they aren’t the same. Depends really on how’s you would be using the vehicle.
@@GridZilla The car will be my weekend and track, just like the FK8.
@@sueqma Much higher potential on the Supra for track but you have to spend money to get there. Type R is much better out of the box
@@GridZilla thanks for the input. appreciate it.
Does ur FL5 overheat as much as ur FK8? How would u compare the driving experience and lap time to ur Supra?
It still overheats but much better starting point vs the FK8.
Not comparable to the Supra. Much higher potential ceiling on the Supra than any Type R
The fix was make it without the fake vents make the vents functional. The wing looks like a after thought they just bolted on, didn’t even color match :(
The OEM black wing? Looks great on a black CTR 😁
what coilovers did you order?
AST Moton 5200 Doteki Spec
There needs to be a coupe version and I would buy one it looks so aggressive
That’s what the after market is for!
Have you driven the Integra type S? Comparison?
I have because my coworker has one. Much better ride comfort wise. Seats are terrible. Wish it had the FL5 Gauge Cluster but overall a bit nicer more upscale.
@@GridZilla thx yeah I'm trying see which one id enjoy. Seems like FL5 would be the way to go.
Great build. Any reason why you haven’t gone ethanol yet? FL5 looks way more refined. However, I’ll continue to be one of those FK8 owners who says the FK8 is better when asked, lol. The FL5 interior looks so much better, too. ‘It looks like an accord’, ‘it’s not over the top like Honda initially wanted’, ‘it’s slower from a roll, and heavier’! In reality, I want an FL5. Saw it in blue and it looked absolutely marvelous. The FL5 buttocks is so much prettier as well.
I failed to mention it but I have the Flex Fuel kit already installed but Hondata has yet to release support for it so it’s not connected.
Are these still marked up?
For the most part yeah but a few people found some at MSRP or maybe $3k over
arent the original Brembo good enough?
Depends on how you use your car. Laguna Seca is a brake killer. Many FK8 owners have burned their Brembo calipers there. So for me, the Paragon BBK is a must
@@GridZilla thanks
i dont like black cars in general but the FL5 looks awesome in it
I love black cars but I also obsessively wash my cars
Do you plan on rigid collars?
Mentioned it in the video. I have them
Debating if should trade my fk8 3k miles to a FL5 from dealer.
Honestly? For most people that already own an FK8, probably not but that really depends on what you get on trade in.
Is crazy how ppl was paying over 10k for the fl5 I was lucky to get it at msrp here in pa I’m 4 months down and is a great car is it worth paying extra no is not my s2000 is more fun then the fl5 so is best to wait or shop around
It’s all relative right? If you have to have the latest and you have the means then why not? But for sure being patient can pay off. Nice grab at MSRP! 👍🏽
What is your day job if you don’t mind me asking…
I’m in the car business as well for my day job.
I think it's best to wait. On a side note, they've been really pumping these cars out. I've seen the FL5's number badged over 10,000 - and its been out a little over a year. I have a feeling they will produce more FL5's than the fk8 at this rate, since the 2020 fk8 production was shortened due to COVID. Not so much for the FL5.
Depends on what you’re waiting for. If it’s MSRP then you can get that now or pretty darn close to it and since the MSRP is going up by $1500 for 2024 I’d say there’s no better time than now
I’d say that depends. The 23 fl5 has been forsale for almost 15 months now so rightfully the badge number will be higher and it’s also a worldwide number grabbed randomly from a box. Fk8 first year ended around 8000 if I believe. I’d say waiting may be a dangerous game with msrp increases and the rumor that seems pretty set on 2025 being the last year before going to a hybrid/ev type r.
@@GridZillayes its better to wait because in 2024 and 2025 the production will be bigger...supply will be bigger and the price will drop
@@Alex-dz6xw that’s a great theory. I disagree. MSRP will go up every year and your best deal will be MSRP but let’s see what happens
Just buy what you want.
FL5 For sale 1 year ownership. Never raced or blown turbo from beating the piss out of it. Just drive the damn thing. Dudes always have the look at me attitude and this car is no different.
Some people definitely want to be seen. I’m just here to push the envelope to help other owners or would be owners learn from my mistakes or benefit from my findings. 🙂
Just wait a couple years and you’ll find them for cheap, if you bought new sell with 3-5 years to get almost msrp back
I don’t think Type R’s of any generation ever sold for “cheap” brand new and why would they because just as you said, 3-5 year old trade ins would still be around MSRP.
FL5 vs FK8 is like Ap1 v Ap1. Chassis and powertrain is 95% the same. Looks and interior is different. Personally I much prefer the FL5, but I can see why you would like the FK8. Ap1 is more raw, and I prefer the looks. But many prefer the updated Ap1 lights and torque
I agree to a point. On the surface it seems like 95% the same but the deeper you dig and the harder you push the platform I’m starting to see some profound difference in the chassis and suspension. Engine is definitely 95% the same with the biggest difference being to OEM turbos and ECU.
My point being that yes there are a lot of similarities and most people will never really see the big differences but for those looking for every tenth there are some bigger differences that can’t be ignored and should not be modified using FK8 parts.
Nice car, but you must get pestered all the time by faster Mustangs, Audis, Challengers etc etc. That would drive me nuts.
I do get a lot of that kind of attention but I never engage. Keep all of that on track only. Just smile and wave. 👋
waiting game for me don't want to pay markup.
You can definitely get it for about $3k over maaaaybe MSRP right now. In a month it will be $1500 more at MSRP. Stop waiting. You’ll regret it
Going for 10-15k over msrp over in my area. Only seen 1 on the road so far. Good thing people aren't dumb enough to pay that ridiculous price tag 😂
@@memphisraines8118 I highly doubt they’re actually selling for that price right now. Go in there with a sweeps offer ready to drive away in a new car and I’m sure you can get much closer to maybe $5k over or less
People will find ways to bitch and not actually see at the performance and quality they get. It happened to the MK5 Supra which I got and it has proven being a beat despite the hate and fake vent bitching. The FK8 and FL5 are the same example, no matter what you do people will find ways to bitch. In my case, I could not justify paying more than 48k for a CTR and research it 4 times, ended up getting a good deal on a 2024 GR Corolla Circuit in blue for 44k 0 miles and jump into it but I love the CTR equally.
I own an A90 as well so I get to enjoy the complaining on both sides lol
@@GridZilla oh imagine that hahahha
I know them mark up’s ain’t worth it
I hear ya. Mark ups aren’t fun but in a world where used FK8’s are still selling for more than new what choice do you have?
Bro show the car I don’t wanna see your face😂
Pictures are for IG. I have that too. Go check it out! lol
Too ricy for me. I like mine stock
What color is your Type R?
Still love the FK8 over the FL5. Sorry bud.. the FL5 has a boring body style. Maybe the upgrades in area took the R to the next level but it will never look as Radical out the box like an FK8. Enjoy that FL5, at least until the new one cones out and yal get brainwashed like its something when its not. No disrespect just benig real.
You are entitled to your opinion like everyone else but that’s all it is… your opinion. It’s subjective and not based on fact.
fk8 is the ugliest civic ive ever seen
I don’t know about ugliest. That’s a bit harsh lol