The Forbidden Video Game Rating

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  • Опубліковано 8 жов 2022
  • The ESRB is an iconic piece of gaming history, from E to M, everyone knows the ESRB Ratings. However, not many people know about the banned AO Rating. From Thrill Kill to Hatred, today I talk about the various AO rated games and what made them so controversial. Shenanigans are ensured!
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  • @flameguy21
    @flameguy21 Рік тому +5666

    So Mario saying "Go to hell" gives you an automatic T, but Shadow the Hedgehog saying "Go to hell" only gets you E10+?

    • @cradica
      @cradica Рік тому +429

      They said stuff like that in PG movies all the time!

    • @adryaunadavis6370
      @adryaunadavis6370 Рік тому +64

      But why?

    • @DanganKai11037
      @DanganKai11037 Рік тому +324

      And undertale also keeps its e10+ rating, even when there's a dog based euphemism for smoking (possibly weed) along with a line said by Burgerpants when the player tells him to "go to hell" in a Genocide run, where he says he can't because he's "all out of vacation days"
      Yet Deltarune, with only slightly more suggestive dialogue and mild blood (Kris ripping their soul out for blood, and a single titty joke (keep in mind it wasn't made in a sexual manner. It was just saying that bosom means titty) for suggestive dialogue) gets slapped with a T rating, despite there being barely anything in the game that wasn't also in Undertale, except the word piss.

    • @thatnerdyredditmod
      @thatnerdyredditmod Рік тому +18

      Yes

    • @FTChomp9980
      @FTChomp9980 Рік тому

      The ESRB is run by Boomers.

  • @hexagonal69
    @hexagonal69 Рік тому +3024

    Fun fact: the ESRB is actually a lot stricter than PEGI.

    • @godzillazfriction
      @godzillazfriction Рік тому +200

      i find it odd that the US has 17+ aka M for mature then a AO rating aka 18+ but Pegi doesn't have that extra ratings for adults and instead just has PEGI 18, but what i find interesting is the censorships like with the EU version of the 1st GOW, where kratos sacrifices an undead instead of an actual human (and kratos smiled elsewell) then there's Batman Arkham Origins where in the bank scene of joker being disguised as black mask, when he starts beating Sionis, it just cuts oddly and quickly cuts to joker just kicking him meanwhile the US version has joker hitting him multiple times with a gun to the face brutally and blood comes out in which, makes the pacing of the scene seem natural as well as when it gives a close up shot of batman to give the scene a more intense feeling as batman is not only vulnerable but has no control, then it cuts to joker kicking him multiple times but the EU version had more kicks since a new animation was made for joker kicking Sionis first rather than with the gun.

    • @hexagonal69
      @hexagonal69 Рік тому +142

      @@godzillazfriction Hmm, yeah that is strange. I think they’re more lenient when it comes to sex and nudity, meanwhile the ESRB is more lenient when it comes to guns and violence.

    • @Pearloryx
      @Pearloryx Рік тому +36

      I got confused that the games with M rating are 16 in Europe. Look at Battlefield 2042 for examples

    • @marko-gj1uj
      @marko-gj1uj Рік тому +26

      There were E+10 Games which were Pegi 12

    • @godzillazfriction
      @godzillazfriction Рік тому +37

      @@Pearloryx pegi 16 is mostly the equivalent to a Teen rated game

  • @joedav67
    @joedav67 Рік тому +2341

    The E10+ rating was created because games based on family films like The Incredibles and Shrek were getting T ratings. This felt odd to pretty much everyone so E10+ was created as a compromise. It's sorta like the inverse of why PG-13 was made

    • @JTread2003
      @JTread2003 Рік тому +105

      It's funny because Donkey Kong Jungle Beat was the first game to be E10+ lol

    • @mouthshovel
      @mouthshovel Рік тому +81

      ​@@JTread2003 I mean yeah that's just TOO much for a 9 year old

    • @scaryhobbit211
      @scaryhobbit211 Рік тому +39

      And that's also why Smash Bros 3DS/Wii U and Ultimate, both E10+ games, feel nerfed compared to Melee and Brawl - which were both rated T.

    • @neonrelmsproductions4224
      @neonrelmsproductions4224 Рік тому +18

      Yet ESRB still gave A Hat in Time a T rating.

    • @mariobot128
      @mariobot128 Рік тому +12

      @@mouthshovel i read that in Scott the Woz's voice xD

  • @cranklabexplosion-labcentr8245
    @cranklabexplosion-labcentr8245 Рік тому +499

    Some racing games I had had “K-A” rating for “kids to adults.” Haven’t seen it since PS1

    • @GhalidiusTrident
      @GhalidiusTrident Рік тому +102

      The K-A rating was replaced by E for everyone early into the ESRB's lifetime.

    • @frankkennedy6388
      @frankkennedy6388 Рік тому +43

      Missed opportunity for "K-A-RT" "Kids to adult rating" 🤷‍♂️

    • @WhiteTenpenny
      @WhiteTenpenny Рік тому +5

      I was expecting to hear this too. I had one game with the K-A rating as well.

    • @tybarker5038
      @tybarker5038 11 місяців тому +5

      I remember my Diddy Kong Racing game having that rating. Was so much fun!

    • @budcat64xd88
      @budcat64xd88 10 місяців тому +5

      I saw that rating used for game compilations like rare replay (I think that was the name)

  • @CassiDS
    @CassiDS Рік тому +1115

    Apparently the eC rating was discontinued in 2018 or so because of how underused it ended up being, with subsequently released games that _would've_ gotten said rating simply getting an E rating.

    • @cradica
      @cradica Рік тому +43

      by that logic AO shouldn't even exist!

    • @joedav67
      @joedav67 Рік тому +131

      @@cradica AO exists more as a boundary than a rating games actually get

    • @cradica
      @cradica Рік тому +50

      @@joedav67 I remember someone mentioning that he doesn't understand why the AO rating exists since the pervious one (M) is only a year apart which I thought was kind of ironic since the TV rating system only goes up to 17 (TV-MA)

    • @RB01.10
      @RB01.10 Рік тому +38

      @@cradica I think it’s because AO is similar to the NC-17 rating in that they’re only intended for Adults to watch even though I guess they’re technically not porn. But more on the soft core porn line.
      For example when that infamous Hot Coffee cheat was discovered in GTA San Andreas it was enough to push the game to AO (albeit temporarily until the content was removed) because not only do you see the characters engage in sexual intercourse despite the lack of actual nudity (at least from what I’ve seen) you also control the sex with the controllers.
      For NC-17, the ones that comes to mind is the 1995 film “Showgirls” (rated NC-17 “ for nudity and erotic sexuality throughout, and for some graphic language and sexual violence” and the 2011 film “Shame” (specifically rated NC-17 for “some explicit sexual content”).
      Both have very graphic and heavily realistic sex scenes not to mention a lot of graphic nudity showing full frontal.
      Showgirls does have an edited VHS R-rated version though which toned down some of the sexual content

    • @cradica
      @cradica Рік тому +18

      @@RB01.10 well for TV it's just one and the same (TV-MA). Now an interesting example is Interspecies Reviewers. The Manga was rated M (which is the equivalent of AO or NC-17) However the anime surpassed EVEN NC-17 levels since it actually was picked up by a hentai company!Yet it was rated TV-MA when it first came out. I remember someone saying TV-MA has potential to reach NC-17 levels levels and even exceed them and after this example I think he's right! Yet in Germany it was only rated 16 (with one 18 episode) . In Australia it was rated MA at first too (but their MA is 15) but later got banned which is interesting because they do have a porn rating (X-18). So it does make me wonder. How do the German ratings compare?
      However now I'm seeing even hentai titles like "fire in His Fingertips" tagged as TV-MA but also 18+ only. Which is just a contradiction on top of another contradiction. In fact I've seen porn/hentai labeled as being "for mature audiences only" which is exactly what TV-MA stands for (but the age is 17 instead of 18)

  • @cheater87
    @cheater87 Рік тому +404

    The government didn't tell them to make Manhunt 2 AO, the ESRB did it themselves.

    • @mynameisearl4170
      @mynameisearl4170 Рік тому +61

      Yeah I got really confused when he kept bring up the government. Like sure the hearing spurred the creation of the ESRB but it's not a regulatory body from the gov.

    • @shonenjumpmagneto
      @shonenjumpmagneto Рік тому

      @@mynameisearl4170 yeah they just may have to answer to said Gov't but sure they ordered its creation & THAT'S FEDERALISM BABY

    • @ChunkSchuldinga
      @ChunkSchuldinga Рік тому +1

      If we're being being honest, if the government established the rating system themselves games that would've been rated Teen would most likely be rated a Mature equivalent and our Mature games would be banned outright. The ESRB was probably the best outcome we're going to get out of the whole Tompson and Lieberman era.

    • @cheater87
      @cheater87 Рік тому +1

      @@ChunkSchuldinga So we would be like pre 2011 Australia? We already had an R rating for movies, and the government can't ban games, just restrict them to adults.

    • @dorcat2867
      @dorcat2867 3 місяці тому

      Didn’t Hilary Clinton ask the ESRB to change it to Adult Only? I heard that she wrote a personal letter for them to change it

  • @phoenixvance6642
    @phoenixvance6642 Рік тому +367

    It's funny how adult movies, videos, magazines, and books are prevalent and often published or produced by a studio without a second thought, but we as a culture draw the line at video games. If I were a single-player game maker, i'd make a cut down/censored M version for retailers and an uncut AO version that you could opt to buy off steam or the dev's website. Wonder if that'd increase overall sales

    • @komi-samabeliever7319
      @komi-samabeliever7319 Рік тому +79

      This! Absolutely this!
      I still don't understand that we can have full blown adult oriented movies, books, etc. But God forbid if it's adult video games, for whatever reason it's a fuckin taboo even though it's clear as day that the targeted audience was directly specifically for, well, adults. No kids allowed.
      And the excuse of "think of the children!" is just dumbass scape goat since no one sane enough would willingly brought Playboy magazine for their kids. If they somehow got those stuff, the blame would obviously on their parents failure of parenting, which they adamantly refuse to acknowledge and instead infuriatingly point their finger at someone else.
      I think it's due to parents in general, still thinking that video games are just for kids and oblivious of the bigger picture. I saw it with my own eyes an elementary kid asking his parents for GTA V for Christ sake, and they said "okay" and be done with it whatsoever even though they saw that blonde chick selfie loading screen. And the clerk just say nothing of the matters, no info, no context, none! He made profit, simple.
      The ignorant I swear is deep rooted in this industry.

    • @ADreamingTraveler
      @ADreamingTraveler Рік тому +32

      You can actually make whatever you want on Steam. If a person wants to make a full on sex game they can

    • @noseboop4354
      @noseboop4354 Рік тому +27

      ​@@ADreamingTravelerThat's a very recent thing, for the longest time Steam had inconsistent objections to sexual games, sometimes allowing it and sometimes not.

    • @AymanTravelTransport
      @AymanTravelTransport Рік тому +26

      ​@@komi-samabeliever7319 this idea that "video games are meant for kids" stemmed from marketing putting video games in the toys section rather than home entertainment; there's a couple of Adam Ruins Everything videos on the subject

    • @AngelVazquez-vs9xp
      @AngelVazquez-vs9xp Рік тому +6

      NSFW video games can be found all over the internet, so I don’t think that should even be a problem anymore.
      Though for sales profits, video games are much more expensive to produce in comparison to photographed, written, or video recorded media. People are not willing to sell adults only video games because they are too expensive to be profitable enough.

  • @DanganKai11037
    @DanganKai11037 Рік тому +731

    So apparently a crude dry humping mechanic hidden in a games files constitutes an AO rating, but Danganronpa 2 having an unused file where one of the characters is LITERALLY NAKED AND YOU CAN SEE FULL FUCKING NUDITY, INCLUDING NIPPLE DETAILS keeps an M rating? Makes no sense.

    • @joedav67
      @joedav67 Рік тому +123

      Oblivion got an M rating from unused nude models too

    • @RB01.10
      @RB01.10 Рік тому +91

      Not to mention Witcher 3 which showed frontal and topless nudity if I recall correctly yet that was M too.
      Also for NC-17, it means no one 17 or under is allowed in unlike R which states you have to be with someone of legal age (some theaters say 18, others say 21)

    • @twindrill2852
      @twindrill2852 Рік тому +98

      What’s worse is that most if not all of the Danganronpa characters are high schoolers.

    • @DanganKai11037
      @DanganKai11037 Рік тому +76

      @@twindrill2852
      Or, even worse, fucking elementary school students, one of which had a mini game related to her which involved "slapping away" groping robot hands, and then you fight her, but she doesn't take damage, instead, her clothes get ripped off.

    • @twindrill2852
      @twindrill2852 Рік тому +56

      @@DanganKai11037 I remember that. What's worse is that they went out of their way to make that child character a victim of sexual abuse.

  • @destronlaserwave9566
    @destronlaserwave9566 Рік тому +537

    9:20, the reason why a series like Mortal Kombat gets the M rating as opposed to the AO rating is because MK is more fantastical and comical compared to more realistic games like the Punisher and Manhunt. The reason why some games will get the AO rating because of violence mainly has to do with context and how the violence is shown.
    I did really enjoy this video, it was a nice look at AO rated games.

    • @jamesmiller206
      @jamesmiller206 Рік тому +56

      Yeah, hatred is nowhere near as violent as say manhunt or mortal kombat in terms of gore. But its reason for getting the ao rating is because its premise and plot is literally some guy literally wants to kill as many people as possible before killing himself, theres no deep lore about not important, hes just a guy who wants to be the next columbine shooter except hes way more deadly. Compare that to a game like say hotline miami which has a complex story that explains why you are killing all these people and explores the mcs mental state and struggles as he goes on all those massacres, that game is just as violent as hatred yet it gets an m rating because the violence is portrayed as a consequence of his actions and isn't a mass shooter power fantasy though if you ignore the story the game could easily be seen as just that.

    • @nascarfanatic2425
      @nascarfanatic2425 Рік тому +17

      You know, come to think of it, despite how much more realistic the blood and gore has gotten in later years, and despite how sexual a lot of the games got, much of the violence is pretty cartoonish. I mean, many of the fatalities involved stuff that would be considered special attacks in Pokémon games like lightning, fire, turning into a dragon, ice, etc.

    • @Nobodyimportant85
      @Nobodyimportant85 Рік тому +11

      Exactly. There's not much risk of a real person recreating the violence in MK (unless they learn to breathe fire like Scorpion or grow two extra arms like Goro). The violence in Manhunt is something that a real person could actually recreate if they tried.

    • @ccrimewave
      @ccrimewave Рік тому +8

      @@Nobodyimportant85Manhunt had a unique way of showing it too. The executions felt real and weighty. Plus the main character, through his deteriorated mental state, had realistic responses to the murders he was committing.
      The story and settings were just the cherry on top

    • @smashandburnyt6938
      @smashandburnyt6938 Рік тому +2

      Warhammer also has extreme violence but it is shown in a dark fantasy context that’s why it is not AO-rated

  • @clydecash5659
    @clydecash5659 Рік тому +1016

    The ESRB on its face wasn’t a terrible idea but just like the MPA (Motion Picture Association), it created a barrier that prevented game developers from making games geared towards adults because no retailer would be willing to sell an AO game.
    I would have like to have seen JUST a rating system without the Nani-Nazi smothering restrictions.

    • @joedav67
      @joedav67 Рік тому +159

      On the flip side, if the ESRB didn't exist, the government would've stepped in and started regulating what can and can't be in games, which would likely mean games like GTA or even Bully wouldn't even be allowed to exist in any form

    • @familyneves9777
      @familyneves9777 Рік тому +99

      @@joedav67 Which would likely cause massive backlash and have the government create an ESRB equivalent just for the sake of not having the blame, and then we're back to zero.

    • @blocks4857
      @blocks4857 Рік тому +34

      ​@@joedav67easy solution. Just don't give the government the power to regulate commerce

    • @Pointman11111
      @Pointman11111 Рік тому +13

      ​@@joedav67 no bc games fell under expression of speech eventually

    • @bobbybooshay5388
      @bobbybooshay5388 Рік тому

      It's a necessary evil. It was either going to be the ESRB or a moral panic government in the 90s regulating it.

  • @MiyukiLily
    @MiyukiLily Рік тому +97

    Just a minor correction
    The ESRB is not ran by the government its ran by the ESA (Entertainment Software Association) gaming is self regulated

  • @X2011racer
    @X2011racer Рік тому +170

    I question how Conker's Bad Fur Day avoided getting an AO rating, despite the Teddiz (obvious reference), the game's depiction of females, partial nudity near to the point of being completely nude, the vulgar language, and the Mortal Kombat-esque blood and gore, especially the deleted Dissection scene.
    Even Conker has a noticeable... ding-a-ling in official renders for the game, but not his in-game model.

    • @wavy03
      @wavy03 Рік тому +41

      Conker’s still based on fictional fantasy, they even censored live & reloaded lol.

    • @littlemacisunderrated412
      @littlemacisunderrated412 Рік тому +18

      Mk9 is the crazy one. Every female character had massive cleavage, especially mileena and jade, and add the blood on top of that, the fact it got an m was wild

    • @henryfleischer404
      @henryfleischer404 Рік тому +1

      @@littlemacisunderrated412What's M9K?

    • @legometaworld2728
      @legometaworld2728 Рік тому +1

      Conker is far from the edgiest M-rated game out there, the Rare Replay port didn't even get the Blood & Gore, Intense Violence, Strong Language, or Sexual Content descriptors, instead getting the tame Blood, Violence, Language, and Mature Humor ones, respectively. They've referenced Nazis in T and IIRC even a few E10+ games, that wouldn't have been problematic for the ESRB. AO is the equivalent of NC-17, not R.

    • @panduvandal
      @panduvandal 11 місяців тому +1

      ​@@henryfleischer404mortal Kombat (2011)

  • @Dekkard5
    @Dekkard5 Рік тому +256

    I love how high and mighty people get while talking about Hatred. "That game goes too far" "you LITERALLY MURDER PEOPLE OMG" .... you murder people in just about every game ever released. You can go on literal killing sprees in games like Postal 1&2, GTA (all of them), Hitman (all of them), Madworld, Manhunt, Borderlands, etc. Hatred is really just boring at the end of the day.

    • @barastyr344
      @barastyr344 Рік тому +62

      Hatred is just postal 1 but boring

    • @sebastianaliandkulche
      @sebastianaliandkulche Рік тому +31

      And is in black and white so blood is as unnoticeable as the rest of the game.

    • @Dekkard5
      @Dekkard5 Рік тому

      @@barastyr344 basically

    • @dhgmrz17
      @dhgmrz17 Рік тому +28

      ​​@@barastyr344ep, just worst version of Postal. Also Postal 2 is far more graphic and offensive than anything in Hatred, yet only has an M rating.

    • @mbdg6810
      @mbdg6810 Рік тому

      its probably the rationale behind the murdering. basically genocide for all humans which is an F'ed up premise.

  • @Artoooooor
    @Artoooooor Рік тому +351

    So - in games sex is more restricted than murder? Great job, ESRB.

    • @henryfleischer404
      @henryfleischer404 Рік тому +70

      Great job, America.

    • @CHAOTICMASTER33
      @CHAOTICMASTER33 Рік тому

      Yeah keep in mind in America we have a culture that largely normalizes violence and specifically gun violence. Like seriously even children play with fake guns and fantasize about being soldiers. So I'd blame it more on our country being weird.

    • @epicgameRAAM15
      @epicgameRAAM15 11 місяців тому +23

      @@henryfleischer404 Yes, the logic was always laughable.

    • @ChucksSEADnDEAD
      @ChucksSEADnDEAD 11 місяців тому +14

      Nudity is roughly as restricted as violence, and sex is as restricted as the most brutal forms of videogame violence. It's pretty equivalent.

    • @CHAOTICMASTER33
      @CHAOTICMASTER33 11 місяців тому +25

      @@ChucksSEADnDEAD To a degree sure but there are cases where the esrb was influenced by American cultural biases. To name a memorable instance Indigo Prophecy's sex scenes were toned down only in the u.s version.

  • @Maniac4Bricks
    @Maniac4Bricks Рік тому +222

    As a kid I remember thinking the introduction of E 10+ was interesting, but not long before I found it pretty useless in one of its first examples, Shadow the Hedgehog.

    • @cradica
      @cradica Рік тому +18

      I do find it interesting how the first added an E-10+ and then removed EC. NOW WERE BACK WHERE WE STARTED!

    • @littlemacisunderrated412
      @littlemacisunderrated412 Рік тому +1

      Damn

    • @ADreamingTraveler
      @ADreamingTraveler Рік тому +17

      Shadow the Hedgehog was actually originally going to be Teen rated but when E10+ came out around that time they found out they could change the blood from red to green and get the younger rating

    • @beauwalker9820
      @beauwalker9820 Рік тому +5

      Shadow was honestly more of an E10 game then most E10 games now.

    • @DaDualityofMan
      @DaDualityofMan 10 місяців тому +2

      Well you’re a Lego fan, Lego Star Wars was the first E10 game and all Lego games after, I think the rating makes sense for them because they tend to adapt “family friendly movies that are actually pretty violent”

  • @Maniac4Bricks
    @Maniac4Bricks Рік тому +150

    I understand the purpose of ESRB was to rate video games similar to movies and to steer people towards content deemed "appropriate" or prevent children from realistic and repeatable action. However, I think nowadays there's less that can be found in video games for causing violence when the internet is a child's playground. But at that point, it comes down to the parents monitoring their screen time and accessible sites and links.
    So the fear of AO games in the market compared to other kinds of media with heavy themes is a little blown out of proportion. Otherwise, Spencer's Gifts would have been shunned from malls decades ago.

  • @ArmaBiologica35
    @ArmaBiologica35 Рік тому +28

    Incredible how a game would get an AO rating for gambling with real money when a lot of games aimed at children today have microtransactions.

  • @gabegreen1744
    @gabegreen1744 Рік тому +72

    the AO rating is basically just the video game equivalent of the NC-17 rating used by the MPAA.

    • @cradica
      @cradica Рік тому +10

      For TV they don't seem to have a rating like that. The closest thing is TV-MA

    • @gabegreen1744
      @gabegreen1744 Рік тому +12

      @@cradica There's no way they can have a rating higher than TV-MA like that since it's on tv... The Censorship on television would make it impossible for them to even show anything...

    • @cradica
      @cradica Рік тому

      @@gabegreen1744 Hang on a second here!!!! They don't JUST use TV rating on TV! They use them on streaming too! And you can find NC-17 movies on streaming sites. In fact they were even times when TV-MA ALMOST surpassed NC-17 levels. Like with Interspecies Reviewers. It was rated TV-MA for 3 episodes before getting taken off streaming and was eventually picked up by a p*** studio Also even for TV there are paid TV channels that feature more explicit than on normal TV.

    • @gabegreen1744
      @gabegreen1744 Рік тому +2

      @@cradica Ok when I said TV-MA I was talking exclusively about public cable television.

    • @cradica
      @cradica Рік тому

      @@gabegreen1744 Okay, but I was just talking about other means of TV watching. Now I do wonder about PPV. I hear on HBO or showtime you can show pretty much anything just as long as it's not penetration.

  • @wolfheartdarnell324
    @wolfheartdarnell324 Рік тому +65

    I remember as a kid knowing that AO existed (booklet inside the case, remember that?) but as kids, we'd never see them in stores. We thought that they existed but you either had to order them or that they were in other countries (had no idea that alternate rating systems were used)

  • @killingtimeonline
    @killingtimeonline Рік тому +59

    Never in my life have i heard San Andreas described as "something I've wanted to play but never got round to", I just kinda thought it was one of those games that everyone has played to some degree

    • @calebsw
      @calebsw Рік тому +11

      This guy looks like he was born after it first released

    • @DaDualityofMan
      @DaDualityofMan 10 місяців тому +1

      I never played it because my mom actually didn’t let me play rated M games lol

  • @shonenjumpmagneto
    @shonenjumpmagneto Рік тому +154

    #FunFact: There is a rating above "TV-MA", though not used as widely: "ADULT".
    It's used for PPV & On Demand though has been used for some cable TV shows such as 'Bliss'. It can be seen to this day on Comcast Xfinity.

    • @MrDmoney156
      @MrDmoney156 Рік тому +5

      Yep! i remember that rating lol

    • @Pointman11111
      @Pointman11111 Рік тому +1

      But TVMA means 18 ?

    • @shonenjumpmagneto
      @shonenjumpmagneto Рік тому +1

      @@Pointman11111 there's a difference between that & full on porn. It's used to differentiate them. South Park & "Back Door Sluts 9" are different genres bro lol.

    • @shonenjumpmagneto
      @shonenjumpmagneto Рік тому +4

      @@MrDmoney156 thank you lol

    • @greatngood66
      @greatngood66 Рік тому +4

      ​@@Pointman11111it's more like an average Strong R Rated movie for television. It was for those 17+ however it had stricter and looser restrictions, depending if you have cable or not. Same with TV-14, but that rating is way looser since lots of strong language and violence are typically allowed

  • @darkinin
    @darkinin Рік тому +10

    >2003: Gambling makes a game AO
    >2023:

  • @mitchellkresge9446
    @mitchellkresge9446 Рік тому +37

    The absolute commitment to portraying Kirby as an AO franchise is the best part of this entire video

  • @ADreamingTraveler
    @ADreamingTraveler Рік тому +61

    It's nice that Steam will allow adult rated games that consoles won't

    • @Gamesta100
      @Gamesta100 Рік тому +2

      That's not a thing here in Aus. Plenty of games get the equivalent rating of R18+ on console like the GTA games.

    • @gwaredric2502
      @gwaredric2502 10 місяців тому +1

      Depends where you live,here in germany they banned those games on steam. Same for games containing pr0n.

    • @olivercharles2930
      @olivercharles2930 7 місяців тому

      It is nice on one hand, but on the other, it leads steam being flooded by awful low quality porn games (the title is always some shit like thicc gay furry hentai sex butts 3: the dawn of cum)

  • @chaoszone867
    @chaoszone867 Рік тому +56

    Not sure if anyone's mentioned it, but Outlast 2 originally got the AO rating. They had to cut out some dialog regarding a certain subject, to say the least, in order to obtain an M rating.

    • @Double-R-Nothing
      @Double-R-Nothing 11 місяців тому +2

      Elaborate?

    • @QuantumScratcher
      @QuantumScratcher 11 місяців тому +1

      @@Double-R-Nothing they'll get banned if they do (singular they ftw)

  • @reignofterrible3406
    @reignofterrible3406 Рік тому +18

    Fun Fact: Another more recent, but well known and appreciated game that received an AO rating but did not release with the AO rating was Outlast 2.

  • @thebluehat6814
    @thebluehat6814 Рік тому +33

    I fondly remember being in a tech store and seeing miiworld with an AO sticker on it. Its such a core memory of my life that I still remember how me and my friends were laughing at it in the parking lot like it was yesterday

  • @leithtalbi2058
    @leithtalbi2058 Рік тому +22

    I remember back in 2006 when I was a kid
    My dad used to bring us games on his usb
    And onetime he gave us the usb and manhunt was there
    And i started innocently playing it with my twin sister
    And when my dad entered the room he was shocked and unplugged the pc directly

  • @uhSeiko
    @uhSeiko Рік тому +46

    10/10 editing and humor. im leaving a like and a sub.

  • @TheSonicsean
    @TheSonicsean Рік тому +10

    Back in my day we had K-A ratings too. Also the only reason Thrill Kill wasn't released for the PS1 wasn't because the publisher got cold feet and canned it, the original publisher, Virgin Interactive, went bankrupt and their assets were sold to EA, who said, and I quote "Aww hell naw" and trashed the whole game. That's why it's so easy to find online since it was completed already.

    • @LendriMujina
      @LendriMujina 10 місяців тому +2

      I just looked up why K-A was changed to E. I always thought customers didn't look kindly on games with the word "kids" right there in the rating, but no... it was a copyright dispute. They apparently wanted to use E from the start, but other companies already used a bold tilted "E" in their logo. They changed it because that dispute got resolved.

  • @SOBEKCrocodileGod
    @SOBEKCrocodileGod Рік тому +11

    I gotta say I do respect the devs of Hatred for embracing the memes and making the protagonist’s canonical name “Not Important”

  • @MrDemonsushiGuy
    @MrDemonsushiGuy Рік тому +17

    Fun fact: the joy of sex on the cdi is the only console game in history to deliberately be released with an AO rating.

  • @doctorgames101b
    @doctorgames101b Рік тому +25

    Gaming producers should re-instate the statement on game packages and game intros of "Online Interactions are not rated by the ESRB." Most parents of today's world still living in obliviousness, like that of the Bully game of the 2000s. Good video, Toad.

  • @mitchellalexander9162
    @mitchellalexander9162 Рік тому +42

    "You can Exist as an Adults Only Game...But we can make it legally and Financially Impossible and Very Very Hard for you to exist as an Adults Only Game."
    Ahhh a Tale as Old as Time....
    An entire thing being ostensibly 'allowed to exist' but being regulated and subregulated and policed into not being viable....
    Makes ya really hate society when 'You Know' and you can clearly see it happening.

    • @CoralCopperHead
      @CoralCopperHead 11 місяців тому +2

      That's probably why devs of games like Wild Life just don't bother submitting their games for rating in the first place.

  • @masterseal0418
    @masterseal0418 Рік тому +40

    The cancelation of Thrill Kill was just the beginning of EA's downfall. If the game wasn't shelved in spite of it's AO rating, Thrill Kill would've made Electronic Arts money anyway and become a new IP from them. I couldn't help but appreciate the hilarious spoof of GTA San Andreas' Hot Coffee debacle in Jak II, and everyone using Hatred(which thankfully got it's Adults Only rating, cuz the game was made for that purpose: specifically the shocking nature of shooting down random pedestrians) and Shadow The Hedgehog(Sega's scapegoat attempt to be hip and current at the time, becoming the butt of jokes, especially the gratuitous use of the word "damn") as satire against edgelord culture. On the subject of Agony, the concept of body-hopping while experiencing the terrors of Hell is pretty interesting and novel. But come to think of it, some copies like GTA San Andreas and Manhunt 2(the latter always creep me out when a finisher is performed) still hold the AO rating alongside Agony; saw the game on the Nintendo Switch eShop nevertheless and it had an M for Mature rating stamped below the page's description. 😅

  • @SmashMaxLP
    @SmashMaxLP Рік тому +23

    Hey man, great video! I've been on the hunt for small UA-cam channels who do content similar to my own because stuff like this is my favorite stuff to watch on UA-cam, and your channel has really scratched that itch! You really deserve more subscribers, I wish you luck!

  • @transformersguy2002
    @transformersguy2002 Рік тому +16

    The AO rated is like the NC-17 rating

    • @cradica
      @cradica Рік тому

      GOOD THING THE RATINGS FOR TV ONLY GO UP TO TV-MA
      REDO OF HEALER GETS AN 18 + ON BLU-RAY
      ME: OH NO!!!!

    • @cycoyote2082
      @cycoyote2082 Рік тому +3

      @@cradica TV-AO

    • @cradica
      @cradica Рік тому

      @@cycoyote2082 It's funny that Redo of Healer on blu-ray was 18+ when that's already a Canadian TV rating. Even funnier than that I've seen DVD's that says "For ages 18+" but at the same time TV-MA (even though TV-MA is a 17+ rating). Redo is still TV-MA on Hidive (it's censored). Now Amazon Prime DOSE have ratings that go up to 18 and yet even on Prime, Redo of Healer is still TV-MA! I actually do remember someone saying "just wait until the TV-AO", and then came Redo of Healer!
      It's just like Interspecies Reviewers. It was rated TV-MA for 3 episodes(censored), then it was taken off the air, on blu-ray was re-rated to an 18+ warning screen. Funny enough in Germany it was rated 16, with the only exception being the 3rd episode (the very one that got it take off streaming in the US. In Australia the censored version was, once again rated MA-15+ but uncensored, BANNED! Once again I remember someone saying "program getting taken off the air: adults" and then Interspecies Reviewers was literally taken off the air for that very reason!

    • @TheRandom_Channel_idk
      @TheRandom_Channel_idk Рік тому

      Its just a 365 (or 366) day difference :)

  • @maarlo12345
    @maarlo12345 Рік тому +5

    4:38 Bro making a Herbert Hoover joke 💀💀💀

  • @Maniac4Bricks
    @Maniac4Bricks Рік тому +32

    First video I watched from your channel after seeing your cameos elsewhere and definitely subbed! Great job, I learned alot here that I don't think I've heard as much elsewhere.

  • @LendriMujina
    @LendriMujina 10 місяців тому +5

    11:00 You really think Hell could hold Kirby for very long? The moment someone messes with his rations, Satan would be _done for._

  • @donaldrickles8303
    @donaldrickles8303 Рік тому +7

    Agony originally received a M rating for its dark tonality but later received an AO rating because the creators uploaded an adult themed update which added a considerable amount of adult content (anatomically correct demons and adult themes) not soon after it the update was made unavailable on steam.

    • @Feverdreamxo
      @Feverdreamxo Рік тому +4

      The team just released a sequel called “Succubus” and geees its as adult as it gets for every reason u think

    • @Oturan20
      @Oturan20 2 місяці тому

      _anatomically correct demons_
      What does that even mean?
      🤨

  • @CoralReaper707
    @CoralReaper707 Рік тому +5

    7:52 I recognized the Pvz Ultimate Battle immediately and that threw me off after you talked about such an edgy game.

  • @casual_villain
    @casual_villain Рік тому +15

    I’m definitely getting Scott the Woz vibes from your style of content. I dig it!

  • @DaDualityofMan
    @DaDualityofMan 10 місяців тому +3

    For some reason, I find it funny the least used ratings are the ones with two letters instead of one

  • @matthias6933
    @matthias6933 Рік тому +7

    about the art hypothetical in 6:48:There are a bunch of famous baroque paintings that take motives like David vs. Goliath only to depict murderings in very gruesome detail but look also oddly beautiful. My favorites are David with the Head of Goliath by Caravaggio and Judith with the Head of Holofernes by Allori

  • @j.m.1928
    @j.m.1928 Рік тому +29

    DEFINITELY a lot of passion and creativity was put into this vid. I looked at the subscriber count and was like ain't no fucking way! Only 600? Could've sworn I say 100k💀💀

  • @theroman2130
    @theroman2130 Рік тому +1

    Great video with a topic that is rarely talked about. This deserves more views.

  • @k__505
    @k__505 Рік тому +19

    "Hey mom, can we get Scott the Woz?"
    ''We have Scott the Woz at home!"
    Scott the Woz at home:

  • @CYB3R_MOON
    @CYB3R_MOON Рік тому +23

    Kirby is dark in its own way especially with the lore

    • @cycoyote2082
      @cycoyote2082 Рік тому +4

      Imagine if they made a new Kirby game with an AO rating for ultra-violence & more

    • @grayanddevpdx
      @grayanddevpdx Рік тому +3

      @@cycoyote2082I had a dream that the first T rated Kirby game came out and it got the rating because the villain literally kills everyone to ever be in the Kirby series (through a WoL type flash of light that consumed everyone), except for Kirby, who was very injured. The game had you fighting shadow versions of enemies that, once a certain number had been defeated, would become their normal selves in the town.
      Although it’s also fun to imagine what an AO Kirby game with sexual explicitness being the main reason would be like. I can only imagine what Kirby would suck.

    • @apple_pi..
      @apple_pi.. Рік тому

      @@grayanddevpdxthat sounds so cool but the last part.. he’s still a kid 😨

    • @grayanddevpdx
      @grayanddevpdx Рік тому

      @@apple_pi.. technically hundreds of years old

    • @apple_pi..
      @apple_pi.. Рік тому +2

      @@grayanddevpdx true but kirby ages differently that normal humans so he's basically a baby/kid and is hinted as a kid in different media.

  • @benfrancois7856
    @benfrancois7856 6 місяців тому +3

    Hatred is an awesome game and manhunt 2 is definitely art in my opinion I would love to see an art the clown video game with gaming mechanics similar to Manhunt

  • @micahkaat2440
    @micahkaat2440 Рік тому +10

    In cyperpunk u can literally change the size of ur male appendage and make ur female charcters chest bigger or smaller in graphic detail but it gets a m rating for some reason lol

  • @PixelMindProductions
    @PixelMindProductions Рік тому +7

    0:48 thank god finally somebody mentions splatterhouse existence

  • @fakechanneln00bhahahhahha39
    @fakechanneln00bhahahhahha39 Рік тому +9

    why did I laugh over super cigarette galaxy

    • @ToadBup
      @ToadBup  Рік тому +5

      im glad someone appreciated that one lmao

  • @youraverageguy7842
    @youraverageguy7842 Рік тому +33

    I have to be honest the ESRB knowing to AO a gambling game back in 1997 is crazy considering every sports game has some form of gambling involved because of their ultimate team shit today along with other games loot boxes and because UA-camrs have no issue promoting gambling sites that encourage kids to spend real money *cough cough* TMartin *cough*

    • @TheRandom_Channel_idk
      @TheRandom_Channel_idk Рік тому

      I remember that one Nathaniel Bandy video where in he showed a mind you, GAMBLING GAME that's Rated E because of I kid you not, "Gaming".

    • @ChucksSEADnDEAD
      @ChucksSEADnDEAD 11 місяців тому

      Getting an ultimate team lineup isn't the same as betting one's life savings to try and pay the bank so they won't take the house.
      True gambling doesn't promise just a fancy cosmetic or team in a game, they want you to believe you'll win big abd become a billionaire.

  • @Predator848
    @Predator848 Рік тому +45

    You deserve alot more subscribers. This video is really well made.

  • @Pinwheelsystem
    @Pinwheelsystem Рік тому +3

    Great video, keep making good content!

  • @giangeegibb
    @giangeegibb Рік тому +7

    Where can I play Super Cigarette Galaxy

  • @Col-DUKE
    @Col-DUKE Рік тому +11

    man, you deserve more subs, this is a great entertaining video, hope you go onto great things, remember me when ur famous lol

  • @sougodbeatz4875
    @sougodbeatz4875 Рік тому +3

    Great content bro. You earned a subscriberrrrr

  • @bk2524
    @bk2524 Рік тому +2

    The FBI can illegally spy on Martin Luther King and others without any oversight but God forbid GTA San Andreas keeps Hot Coffee Mode

  • @Daniel-wr9ql
    @Daniel-wr9ql Рік тому +4

    Mom can we have Scott the Woz?
    We have Scott the Woz at home
    Scott the Woz at home:

  • @STLJ
    @STLJ 11 місяців тому +4

    How can someone go into their adult life without ever playing San Andreas that is crazy to me

    • @ToadBup
      @ToadBup  11 місяців тому

      I've seen the light since thankfully

  • @manwhodoesthings
    @manwhodoesthings 3 місяці тому +1

    The fact that the developers of my favorite grand strategy games made Thrill Kill is a mindblowing revelation.

  • @SuperSonieroxa
    @SuperSonieroxa Рік тому +2

    So one important thing to mention in this video. The ESRB is not a government agency. Its a voluntary self regulated agency created by a bunch of US retailers.
    In the 90s the US government gave an ultimatium to the video game industry as a whole. Either make your own ratings board, or the government will regulate the games, and back then/still now, there is alot of negative bais toward video games from the people in the US congres.
    The reason why the ESRB matters is soley that retail chains can decide what games can be sold in a all ages retail setting. AO used to be sold in stores, it was until the san andreas hit coffee that sony, nintendo, and microsoft boycotted AO games. Retailers could choose what AO games they could sell, though many didn't as the majority classified as pornography which had different US regulations they have to follow to be sold legally. Same with gambling.
    Steam doesn't need a rating soley because steam is a proprietary store front. A game doesn't need the esrb to be sold, but just about every retail store, microsoft, nintendo, and xbox require a game to be rated for a game to sell on their platform

  • @ImNuclearYT
    @ImNuclearYT Рік тому +4

    Toadbup vids never miss

  • @MimiThomaFlwrs
    @MimiThomaFlwrs 3 місяці тому +3

    Hatred is a satire game. It’s so annoying seeing it be excremented upon by morons who couldn’t recognize campiness if it hit them at 50mph.

  • @dragonKaioshin
    @dragonKaioshin Рік тому +1

    Love your content my guy! I really love your vids I subbed looking forward to more from ya :3❤

  • @belkitoFUERTE
    @belkitoFUERTE Рік тому

    Great video my dude. You definitely deserve more love. Commenting to increase that interaction. Keep up your work🫡

  • @rydercloud
    @rydercloud Рік тому +5

    As someone that cares about Ef: A Fairy Tale of the Two, who by the way even as an adult game had Makoto Shinkai (Director of Kimi no Na wa), it’s funny Nintendo won’t allow 18+ games but will allow games, albeit with adult content removed like Soi Kano: Gyutto Dakishimete for the Nintendo Switch, a previously 18+ game on PC with an adults only OVA that is easy to find online. Not even Ef’s anime adaption is adult rated.

  • @MerSorax2007
    @MerSorax2007 Рік тому +6

    My parents are super strict, they don't allow AO games in the house

    • @franklindelanoroosevelt9177
      @franklindelanoroosevelt9177 Рік тому +9

      For your next family movie night You should suggest a Tarantino movie

    • @MerSorax2007
      @MerSorax2007 Рік тому +1

      @@franklindelanoroosevelt9177 Tarantino movie?

    • @HydraSpectre1138
      @HydraSpectre1138 Рік тому +3

      Most AO games are basically porn, anyway.
      Most people have never seen a single AO game in their lives.

    • @MerSorax2007
      @MerSorax2007 Рік тому +1

      @@HydraSpectre1138 Me neither

  • @tylermcdorman4199
    @tylermcdorman4199 Рік тому +1

    Great video! You should make a video on eC games if you haven't planned that already. Much love!

  • @Treynath84
    @Treynath84 Рік тому +3

    I find the AO rating pretty interesting.
    It's interesting how games can be rated AO when they're tamer compared to other games that were rated lower around the same time.
    Thrill Kill was AO, but the 3D Mortal Kombat games were fine?
    Hatred released in 2015, the DOOM reboot released 2016, DOOM is way more over the top when it comes to violence.
    Manhunt 2's interesting as the 'uncut' version is just lacking the filters and camera changes as far as I can remember.
    Good video by the way, it's pretty well made.
    Definitely subbing.

  • @henryfleischer404
    @henryfleischer404 Рік тому +6

    I'm surprised Thrill Kill didn't get an M rating. The clips you showed didn't look particularly egregious.
    But then again, I'm fascinated by erogames, and love doom WADS, so it takes a lot to shock me.

  • @jacedjohnson3541
    @jacedjohnson3541 Рік тому +5

    Had to look up Custer’s revenge after this 😬

  • @level20eevee75
    @level20eevee75 10 місяців тому +2

    10:21 what is that d sound effect called? i have been looking for it for over 3 mounthes and still got no idea what it is called

  • @bodinian
    @bodinian 9 місяців тому +2

    I want to play an Ao game just to see what I'm missing.

  • @jacedjohnson3541
    @jacedjohnson3541 Рік тому +5

    E for everyone replace KA kids to adults I believe

  • @regularben
    @regularben Рік тому +11

    The fact that Paradox went from fighting games to map games is funny to me

    • @altf5326
      @altf5326 11 місяців тому

      they discovered virtual crack and got hooked ever since

    • @regularben
      @regularben 11 місяців тому

      @@altf5326 it got me hooked (I have all the hoi4 dlc and own ck3 vic2 eu4)

  • @TheIronRafael
    @TheIronRafael Рік тому +2

    The thing about Manhunt 2 is that it is in fact very violent, but it has a reason to be, since the story revolves around dark themes and the story itself is very good.

  • @RileyHell
    @RileyHell Рік тому

    damn, this is like a classic youtube video. i love it.

  • @leCleb
    @leCleb Рік тому +4

    are we just gonna ignore the beautiful necklace he is wearing?

  • @cgtoad625
    @cgtoad625 Рік тому +2

    I forgot that the Early Childhood rating was even a thing. I’m pretty sure they ended up retiring it if I remember right.

  • @Nsinger998
    @Nsinger998 10 місяців тому +2

    8:49 - That's blatantly unconstitutional!

  • @RogerSmith2004
    @RogerSmith2004 Рік тому +4

    7:09 I care about ef: A Fairy Tale of Two (it's pronounced "f", like the letter). The Minori games had really good art, it's a shame they went out of business. I get why Christians talk about it, as the story has its fair share of religious motifs (one of the main settings is a church). With visual novels, they can often have strong sexual content (for a multitude of different reasons depending on what VN it is), but the main selling point of the games are actually the storylines and the characters in the case of say nakige (crying games). There often tend to be all ages versions released for home consoles. They definitely aren't for everybody as the gameplay elements often tend to be light, but I find them interesting to follow.
    Anyhow, this vid was an interesting topic, glad you covered it.

  • @touchgrass7129
    @touchgrass7129 Рік тому +17

    Great video, very Scott The Woz-ish style of humor, you pull it off very well.

  • @thedinobros1218
    @thedinobros1218 2 місяці тому +2

    And I am starting a game company and I am currently designing a console where you don’t need personal info to enter the developer program and AO games are allowed.

  • @ArtToonsOfficial.
    @ArtToonsOfficial. Рік тому +2

    1:41
    Dude those blue's clues cd computer games were the bomb! I loved playing Blue's Birthday Party all the time!

  • @WDonaldson2000
    @WDonaldson2000 Рік тому +4

    Forgot to mention the upcoming Assassin’s Creed Mirage was nearly rated AO for gambling or something Idk, but it was a mistake.

  • @AnotherCamilo
    @AnotherCamilo Рік тому +4

    I remember Greedfall recieving an Early Childhood rating in the Playstation Store.

  • @Maybe_Crazy_Courier
    @Maybe_Crazy_Courier Рік тому +1

    In the restrictions page of Xbox where you can limit what esrb levels an account can use Xbox actually goes up to AO in permissions and the movie equivalent for that field too

  • @xlchaoslx3673
    @xlchaoslx3673 Рік тому +2

    Im gonna subscribe to this dude, because I was subscribed to some ordinary gamers when he was around 1,000 subscribers, and look at him now

  • @theoneandonlydedsecgamer9451
    @theoneandonlydedsecgamer9451 3 місяці тому +3

    Do any of you guys know a game that you jump inside this giant huge mummy statue he jumped off a 5 feet and then it closes on you. And then the walls start crushing you, and you had to find a way out. Do You guys know what gaming is

  • @redacted2896
    @redacted2896 10 місяців тому +3

    6:26 The second I heard the guy’s voice I just burst out laughing, it really is so edgy it hurts😆😆

  • @MrVukasino
    @MrVukasino Рік тому +1

    11:29, I got thrill kill working on my ePSXe, when the game launches it looks like it's stuck on a black screen but pressing one of the buttons on the controller advances it to the main game

  • @bobhill3941
    @bobhill3941 10 місяців тому +1

    I remember all of us in class in high school reading about the AO rating on Manhunt, there was a full page cover story in the paper. I thoroughly enjoyed Manhunt and had no issue with it.

  • @Derpyderpderper
    @Derpyderpderper Рік тому +4

    tbh most generic and casual adventure games are in line with what Hatred has to offer, it's just dressed up to be not as bad if that makes sense lol

  • @chungusamongusnumber296
    @chungusamongusnumber296 Рік тому +3

    I love kirbys epic yarn, it's the kirby game I grew up with

  • @iammegan6626
    @iammegan6626 3 місяці тому +1

    The San Andreas incident is iirc why the ESRB specifically excludes online interactions and mods from consideration now

  • @mysteries_117
    @mysteries_117 3 місяці тому +1

    I forgot when Shrek got a T rating

  • @Techno-Universal
    @Techno-Universal Рік тому +19

    Also apparently GTA V originally received this rating in the US on launch but was banned in Australia until not long later they released a censored version of the game that got a mature rating in the US and an R 18+ rating in Australia while also being the first ever game to have an R rating in Australia! Pretty much before that MA 15+ was the maximum rating allowed for video games so any more graphic games would all be banned from release in the country until after GTA V was launched in Australia! :)

    • @cradica
      @cradica 10 місяців тому +1

      In the US MA is still the max for tv

    • @Techno-Universal
      @Techno-Universal 10 місяців тому +1

      @@cradica
      That’s also the case for TV in Australia! :)

    • @cradica
      @cradica 10 місяців тому +1

      @Techno-Universal it's funny because in both the US and Australia, Interspecies reviewers was rated MA when it first came out but was re-rated for a Home Video release. In the US it was re-rated to an 18+ warning screen, and in Australia, it was banned, which I thought was interesting because doesn't Australia have an X-18+ for porn? Well in Germany, it was rated a mixture of 16 and 18. So, what are the equivalents between the US and German ratings? because I remember someone saying there's no US equivalent to X-18+.

    • @Techno-Universal
      @Techno-Universal 10 місяців тому +1

      @@cradica
      X is a thing in Australia but that sort of content can only be legally sold by adult video stores. Also Australia has always been a bit stricter than the US for ratings.

    • @cradica
      @cradica 10 місяців тому

      @@Techno-Universal normally content like that is labeled as "not for sale to minors" in the US. Though it's not exclusive to pornography. As in the case of Interspecies Reviewers. Which is why I thought it was interesting it was banned in Australia. The Manga was said to be tamer which honestly makes sense considering it was rated M which is the equivalent of the normal R-18+ rating in Australia or the AO and NC-17 ratings in the United States. However this doesn't make sense in the case of Germany since it was rated 16 (with only the 3rd episode being 18.) So if it has an 18+ warning in the US and is 18 in Germany does that mean they're not rated the same? Because you'd think they'd be the same but the German 18 is allowed on streaming whereas like I said even on Funimation it was TV-MA.