One tip I learned was to use bare wire and wind it into the threads so you can use a pair of pliers or channel locks to firmly hold the pipe while screwing on the nut. This way you don't ruin the threads. Trying to find the right size wire is the trick. Oh and I'm going to miss you saying "I'm in my garage" since you're on the boat. Love the way you say it... Oh and I forgot to mention, congrats on having your likeness on a can of WD-40. I'll buy it if I can find it. Maybe if you have a link I can order one. What a honor. Kudos to you...
Love this video. I laughed out loud when you said if it wasn't for this, the job would have only literally been 20 mins. I'm in the trade, and the amount of times I say that to myself is unreal lol. Personally I find the best thing to use is something called a Basin Mate, which costs around £2 all in. I always install this on every job. No silicone, no putty, and no leaks. I literally just ordered 3 more as I'm down to my last one. What also works really well is a tonne load of ptfe. Well done though, good job. Looking forward to exploring your channel further 👍🏽
Another option is to use rubber washers supplied with the waste fitting for the back nut to basin interface and some jointing compound to seal the male threads where the back nut sits. You can add a bit of compound to the nut thread to help with spinning it on. You only need to seal the threads if you have a slotted waste though. Also you could have used WD40 to remove the silicon filler.
Nice job. Things like this i always find fiddly and can be frustrating. I don't do them that often so I'm kind of starting from scratch each time. So many uncontrolled variables leading to that heart-sinking sight of water still leaking! Thanks for posting.
Nice shout out to James at plumber parts. I always rib him about sillicone. Will say though, plastic back nuts usualy crack when tightening up with plumbers mate as it needs some force or time to move. But it will be good for 30 years.
Excellent video! Silicone and plumbers putty are not interchangeable. A job worth doing is worth doing right. I'd love to get some WD-40 with you and Hans on it
I’ve got a second hand butler sink in our utility room and it has a slow leak from the waste which I managed to pack out with plumbers mate and stop, it’s great stuff and does the job nicely
For my bathroom basin, I avoided Silicone and Plumbers mate due to the mess and mould/grime building up and used 'basin mate' from toolstation instead. Since then no leaks or mould and grime building up. Although in this situation you may not have been able to use one
Both sinks and toilet cisterns - a lottery as to whether it's easy to seal, or a half day job. No telling. I've used silicon, plumber's mate and no sealer at all apart from the washers. All have worked and all have been trouble. However, silicon is by far the hardest to deal with if it doesn't seal well, especially if it's gone off.
After doing research, that's exactly how I felt... silicone looked more faffy than using a plumber's putty and generally, I only use silicone if I absolutely have to.
I was in a similar situation to you the other week Vicky where I had a basin that wouldn't stop leaking no matter how tight / loose I screwed the trap fittings. I was loathed to use Plumber's Mait because of some bad press I'd read on various forums, but I took advice from Plumber's Parts and did the same as you and voila, no more leaks (hopefully!)
Touch wood I'll never have a leak in the future, too :) It looked MUCH nicer to use, didn't it? I think I'll keep doing it this way, atvleast for now, in the future :)
Plumbers mate for the top and a basin mate for the bottom part with some fairly liquid to help with install also works well. Where did you get the large washers from? Sealing cord is good just a lot more expensive than a 25p roll of PTFE. Great vid as always.
I hope you don't live to regret the purchase of that flip waste. That sounds nasty but I don't mean it that way. I bought the exact same type from Screwfix. After about 18 months the flip stopped flipping as the O ring seemed to have expanded and would no longer allow the flip part to close properly. You cannot replace the O ring and just today I have replaced it with a conventional waste with a plug on a chain. I too use Plumbers Mait but don't find a need to use it in the basin as the seal below stops any leaks if there were to be any between the top of the waste and the bowl. Usually the water can only run down as far as the Plumbers Mait and then it's down the drain. I hope you have better luck than I did. Good instructions though. 👍 Hope the three of you stay safe. Take care.
Oh don't say that... it's from Screwfix 😝 In fact, I pressed it earlier and noticed it felt a bit stiff. I'll use a bit of wd40 on it tomorrow then when I return 🤣 Also, that's my thoughts exactly... it should run down into the drain... technically!
@@TheCarpentersDaughterUK I'd be wary of using WD40 as it's really not a lubricant, and you might be better with a good squirt of washing up liquid or some silicone grease. The WD may damage the O ring, if it swells that's the end of that. Good luck with it. 👍
Silicone won't stick to silicone! You need to clean it ALL off if you want it to stick! I tend to try it dry to start off with as the things are designed to be watertight (if you use the correct washers). Opening joints that have an "O" ring need a bit of care as they are easily damaged! A bit of soap on the threads works well too! Sealing the base of the basin could be a tad problematic. I would tend to use white toilet silicone sealant with a good application of spitty finger to make sure the radius of the bead is tight .... an old credit card cut to fit might be a good way too! Got to say it is all looking rather good!
Thanks! I didn't know silicone doesn't stick to silicone, but I suspected it wouldn't stick to this mess 😄 Just touch wood I don't have to do this again, but I know it's not the hardest job in the world. Might make the hole in the worktop a tad bigger next time though as it's not that easy to access the bottom washer and plumber's mait.
@@TheCarpentersDaughterUK getting the bow round into to wind when your 60 feet long and only have 40 hp must be tricky, have to use a spring rope and plenty of fenders, wind and tide wait for no one 😧😧😧🌊🌊🌊
Plumbers mait every time for me. It will last a lot better/longer than silicone imo. Go careful with using WD40 anywhere that you plan on using silicone later, you need to be sure to thoroughly clean the area prior to re-silcon'ing or you wont get proper adhesion. Although not necessary for the job I would always turn off the isolation valves like you did to avoid accidentally turning them on. When testing it all at the end pop an ice cream tub or something similar underneath to catch any drips. Another job ticked off the to do list!
Thanks for the tip :) I'd read that several places about needing to completely clean off an oil with silicone, otherwise it won't seal. Also, the waiting around for silicone to set puts me right off lol
Definitely recommend to use silicon and don't trust the washer only due to slight imperfections of the basin during manufacture , been there many many times only to remove it again. Very frustrating that you had to replace the bottle trap after refitting it . Good job though 👍
@@TheCarpentersDaughterUK Oh yeah , for sure , I`ve trusted manufacturers recommendations to use the washer only too many times only to find it drips after a while , so washer and silicone definitely !
Good video , used plumbers mait loads of times really good stuff. Good video as usual and how fab was that wd40 can with you and Hans on it , if that was in shops I'd grab a can ! They should do a limited edition run ,you'll be having your own cartoon tv show soon Vikki and Hans ! Could be the new Rosie and Jim 😃😉👍
great endorsement for WD40 .................. how many times did you mention WD40 ? lol ...... i never knew about slotted or not slotted traps ... could you please put a side view of where the washers are and which side you put paste on .... ps i still want to adopt you.
Here is the states we we don't use what we call Plumbers putty (Plumbers mait) on the bottom part of the sink, we put it on the basket drain part.....We use no silicone at all...
Maybe. When I dismantled it later out of curiosity (after I'd replaced it entirely) I noticed one of the washers had kinked upwards and I kept pushing back in and it wouldn't stay. But it may not have been that.
Hi, you are using the channel lock wrong, it is a common thing but you lose a lot of power doing it that way. If you imagine the nut of the sink going, clockwise to tighten then the short end of the locks would go on the side nearest you the longer end goes at the back and the middle of the longer lock rests against the nut as well. I am not very good at describing the tool but if you lay it down with the handles nearest to you then the long end would be furthest from you and the small end would be in the middle If you watch your video, the first time you used the channel locks was the wrong way but putting the sink drain nut back on you used them correctly, I hope this explains it better and I have not just coursed you more confusion.
Thanks for the explanation! I think I understand :) I'll have a watch of my video again in the morning, but I do feel a bit foreign and clumsy with them 😂
WD40 a brilliant group, Red Red wine being my favourite song by them. :-) nah, joking apart, brilliant stuff, use it on car, motorbike, locks, hinges, as a cleaning agent. Known in mechanical circles as a Tool box in a Tin. :-) great job and boss video once again. :-) vinny. :-)
I'd probably moved it at bit by that point, but yes, if I ever need to do it again, I'm going to do just that and clamp a block down so I can drill a larger hole without damaging it :)
FYI, I've now created a collection of hand printed narrowboat art in my shop: www.etsy.com/uk/shop/CarpentersDaughterGB
One tip I learned was to use bare wire and wind it into the threads so you can use a pair of pliers or channel locks to firmly hold the pipe while screwing on the nut. This way you don't ruin the threads. Trying to find the right size wire is the trick. Oh and I'm going to miss you saying "I'm in my garage" since you're on the boat. Love the way you say it... Oh and I forgot to mention, congrats on having your likeness on a can of WD-40. I'll buy it if I can find it. Maybe if you have a link I can order one. What a honor. Kudos to you...
Love this video. I laughed out loud when you said if it wasn't for this, the job would have only literally been 20 mins. I'm in the trade, and the amount of times I say that to myself is unreal lol. Personally I find the best thing to use is something called a Basin Mate, which costs around £2 all in. I always install this on every job. No silicone, no putty, and no leaks. I literally just ordered 3 more as I'm down to my last one. What also works really well is a tonne load of ptfe. Well done though, good job. Looking forward to exploring your channel further 👍🏽
Another option is to use rubber washers supplied with the waste fitting for the back nut to basin interface and some jointing compound to seal the male threads where the back nut sits. You can add a bit of compound to the nut thread to help with spinning it on. You only need to seal the threads if you have a slotted waste though. Also you could have used WD40 to remove the silicon filler.
Nice job. Things like this i always find fiddly and can be frustrating. I don't do them that often so I'm kind of starting from scratch each time. So many uncontrolled variables leading to that heart-sinking sight of water still leaking! Thanks for posting.
It was definitely an emotional roller coaster from the moment I started replacing the mixer tap in my last video 😬 But very rewarding in the end!
Nice shout out to James at plumber parts. I always rib him about sillicone. Will say though, plastic back nuts usualy crack when tightening up with plumbers mate as it needs some force or time to move. But it will be good for 30 years.
Thanks for the heads up. I haven't thrown the old one away yet, so will keep it just in case... even if I'm nearly in my 70s by then 😆
I did a small basin recently, but discarded the rubber washer. Just plumbers mait above and below seems to have done the trick.
Great tip's in this vlog, I use plumbers mate, PTFE tape and if all else fail's Pray.
Haha... yes!!! Lol. I've since heard that sealing cord is brilliant instead of PTFE, which I'm also tempted to look in to.:)
@@TheCarpentersDaughterUK I've not heard of sealing cord, perhaps you could include it in a future vlog 😊
@@baldvale5418 I seem to rem they used rope in days gone past as a seal , prob in Victorian times.
Excellent video! Silicone and plumbers putty are not interchangeable. A job worth doing is worth doing right. I'd love to get some WD-40 with you and Hans on it
Aww, thanks :) Shame I don't have any spare to send you 😆
And I'll keep using plumbers mait from now on until I think otherwise!
Another great video. Thank you.
How cool of WD40 to put you and Hans on their tins!
Thanks! It's so cool, isn't it? ☺️
I’ve got a second hand butler sink in our utility room and it has a slow leak from the waste which I managed to pack out with plumbers mate and stop, it’s great stuff and does the job nicely
Perfect :) Sounds like I backed a good horse then 😄 And glad you got it sorted!
For my bathroom basin, I avoided Silicone and Plumbers mate due to the mess and mould/grime building up and used 'basin mate' from toolstation instead. Since then no leaks or mould and grime building up. Although in this situation you may not have been able to use one
Thanks! Unfortunately the Thomas Dudley version was too big for mine, but it's nice to know it exists for future sinks :)
Both sinks and toilet cisterns - a lottery as to whether it's easy to seal, or a half day job. No telling. I've used silicon, plumber's mate and no sealer at all apart from the washers. All have worked and all have been trouble. However, silicon is by far the hardest to deal with if it doesn't seal well, especially if it's gone off.
After doing research, that's exactly how I felt... silicone looked more faffy than using a plumber's putty and generally, I only use silicone if I absolutely have to.
I was in a similar situation to you the other week Vicky where I had a basin that wouldn't stop leaking no matter how tight / loose I screwed the trap fittings. I was loathed to use Plumber's Mait because of some bad press I'd read on various forums, but I took advice from Plumber's Parts and did the same as you and voila, no more leaks (hopefully!)
Touch wood I'll never have a leak in the future, too :) It looked MUCH nicer to use, didn't it?
I think I'll keep doing it this way, atvleast for now, in the future :)
Plumbers mate for the top and a basin mate for the bottom part with some fairly liquid to help with install also works well.
Where did you get the large washers from?
Sealing cord is good just a lot more expensive than a 25p roll of PTFE.
Great vid as always.
Thanks! I ordered a pack of them from Screwfix :)
Excellent job there persistence pays off every time
Thank you and yes, I agree! And we learn something new :)
I hope you don't live to regret the purchase of that flip waste. That sounds nasty but I don't mean it that way. I bought the exact same type from Screwfix. After about 18 months the flip stopped flipping as the O ring seemed to have expanded and would no longer allow the flip part to close properly. You cannot replace the O ring and just today I have replaced it with a conventional waste with a plug on a chain. I too use Plumbers Mait but don't find a need to use it in the basin as the seal below stops any leaks if there were to be any between the top of the waste and the bowl. Usually the water can only run down as far as the Plumbers Mait and then it's down the drain. I hope you have better luck than I did. Good instructions though. 👍 Hope the three of you stay safe. Take care.
Oh don't say that... it's from Screwfix 😝 In fact, I pressed it earlier and noticed it felt a bit stiff. I'll use a bit of wd40 on it tomorrow then when I return 🤣
Also, that's my thoughts exactly... it should run down into the drain... technically!
@@TheCarpentersDaughterUK I'd be wary of using WD40 as it's really not a lubricant, and you might be better with a good squirt of washing up liquid or some silicone grease. The WD may damage the O ring, if it swells that's the end of that. Good luck with it. 👍
Silicone won't stick to silicone! You need to clean it ALL off if you want it to stick!
I tend to try it dry to start off with as the things are designed to be watertight (if you use the correct washers). Opening joints that have an "O" ring need a bit of care as they are easily damaged! A bit of soap on the threads works well too!
Sealing the base of the basin could be a tad problematic. I would tend to use white toilet silicone sealant with a good application of spitty finger to make sure the radius of the bead is tight .... an old credit card cut to fit might be a good way too!
Got to say it is all looking rather good!
Thanks! I didn't know silicone doesn't stick to silicone, but I suspected it wouldn't stick to this mess 😄
Just touch wood I don't have to do this again, but I know it's not the hardest job in the world.
Might make the hole in the worktop a tad bigger next time though as it's not that easy to access the bottom washer and plumber's mait.
Wouldve used 32mm telescopic bottle trap and clear silicone on top, rubber washer on bottom of waste :)
Nice job Vikkie great vid as always 😃👍
Thanks so much ❤
Great job, are you going to be getting into some boat maintenance too, bilge pumps, stern glands and other boaty stuff
Hopefully! Just waiting to hear when the courses are back up and running
And a driving course, too 😆
@@TheCarpentersDaughterUK point and go aren’t they😂😂😂 you can’t get lost either, oh well maybe I could
Lol.. it's the reversing in awkward tight spaces that's a devil.. and when there's wind 😬
@@TheCarpentersDaughterUK getting the bow round into to wind when your 60 feet long and only have 40 hp must be tricky, have to use a spring rope and plenty of fenders, wind and tide wait for no one 😧😧😧🌊🌊🌊
Plumbers mait every time for me. It will last a lot better/longer than silicone imo. Go careful with using WD40 anywhere that you plan on using silicone later, you need to be sure to thoroughly clean the area prior to re-silcon'ing or you wont get proper adhesion.
Although not necessary for the job I would always turn off the isolation valves like you did to avoid accidentally turning them on. When testing it all at the end pop an ice cream tub or something similar underneath to catch any drips.
Another job ticked off the to do list!
Thanks for the tip :) I'd read that several places about needing to completely clean off an oil with silicone, otherwise it won't seal. Also, the waiting around for silicone to set puts me right off lol
@@TheCarpentersDaughterUK Charlie DIYte has some great silicon'ing videos on his channel. Worth a watch and a sub!
Thanks!
Definitely recommend to use silicon and don't trust the washer only due to slight imperfections of the basin during manufacture , been there many many times only to remove it again. Very frustrating that you had to replace the bottle trap after refitting it . Good job though 👍
Thanks! I'll keep my eyes peeled on it like a hawk. Would you add silicone with the washer too?
@@TheCarpentersDaughterUK Oh yeah , for sure , I`ve trusted manufacturers recommendations to use the washer only too many times only to find it drips after a while , so washer and silicone definitely !
Nice job enjoyed watching
Thanks :) Glad you enjoyed 😊
Good video , used plumbers mait loads of times really good stuff. Good video as usual and how fab was that wd40 can with you and Hans on it , if that was in shops I'd grab a can ! They should do a limited edition run ,you'll be having your own cartoon tv show soon Vikki and Hans ! Could be the new Rosie and Jim 😃😉👍
Lol... I love that image. Tempted to do something similar for my own logo ❤
Nice Job👍
Cheers 😊
great endorsement for WD40 .................. how many times did you mention WD40 ? lol ...... i never knew about slotted or not slotted traps ... could you please put a side view of where the washers are and which side you put paste on .... ps i still want to adopt you.
Lol.... couldn't have made it up lol... I feel like I've needed to use it ALL the time and keep finding new hacks 😆
Here is the states we we don't use what we call Plumbers putty (Plumbers mait) on the bottom part of the sink, we put it on the basket drain part.....We use no silicone at all...
Ah, interesting!!! :)
Sorry... didn't realised I was signed into my food channel 😄
looks like maybe the old trap was cracked near the thread so it leaked again when you tightened it.
Maybe. When I dismantled it later out of curiosity (after I'd replaced it entirely) I noticed one of the washers had kinked upwards and I kept pushing back in and it wouldn't stay. But it may not have been that.
Hi, you are using the channel lock wrong, it is a common thing but you lose a lot of power doing it that way. If you imagine the nut of the sink going, clockwise to tighten then the short end of the locks would go on the side nearest you the longer end goes at the back and the middle of the longer lock rests against the nut as well. I am not very good at describing the tool but if you lay it down with the handles nearest to you then the long end would be furthest from you and the small end would be in the middle If you watch your video, the first time you used the channel locks was the wrong way but putting the sink drain nut back on you used them correctly, I hope this explains it better and I have not just coursed you more confusion.
Thanks for the explanation! I think I understand :) I'll have a watch of my video again in the morning, but I do feel a bit foreign and clumsy with them 😂
good job.......👍
Thank you 😊
WD40 a brilliant group, Red Red wine being my favourite song by them. :-) nah, joking apart, brilliant stuff, use it on car, motorbike, locks, hinges, as a cleaning agent. Known in mechanical circles as a Tool box in a Tin. :-) great job and boss video once again. :-) vinny. :-)
Is it really? It feels apt :) I know that when the 40th one was created, employees would sneak it home by touching it in their lunch boxes 😆
now all you need is a co-sponsorship with "Gaffa" tape, and you will have everything covered...
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👍👍👍👍👍
Cheers 😊
The hole in the wooden top looked misaligned and too small, maybe you need to enlarge it just in case there is a next time.
I'd probably moved it at bit by that point, but yes, if I ever need to do it again, I'm going to do just that and clamp a block down so I can drill a larger hole without damaging it :)
did you mention WD40 🤔😁
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