wow amazing ! i finally bought a 500 gr i find online from USA. i cant wait to do this, as the founders editions are pain in the ass witht the thermal pads thickness.
My 3080 Founders edition that is in a 7 card rig is currently seeing 104 Celcius Memory Junction at a +1800 memory overclock so I will be changing to copper shims and putty, which seems to be the best combination so far. The putty allows you to use thinner copper shims which means less pressure on the PCB, great contact with the putty, and no drying/baking. Before I swap it to copper shims I will test the card alone in my test rig to see how it has holds up for a single card environment.
@@snarksdomain i had 8 card founders rig in an octominer, 2 of the cards got problem, no matter what i use doesnt do the trick, used the copper plates specially created for founders 3080, core was too hot at 70C memory was 75C which is good. the 2mm pads doesnt work core goes so hot 1.5 mm pads doesnt work memorry sits to 110C , so mix of 1.5 and 2.0mm pads i tried didnt worked too. only had one option left really. Or i need to try to sand down the copper plate to make it thinner, as i think when i put the copper plate the core doesnt touch enough. the rest of the cards are amazing. 55 C core, 70 C memmory. I guess two cards got either slightly bend PCB or something else. Assuming it will be fixed:D
@@alfiethefeline3311 if Copper plates gave you those temps then they were too thick. Would likely want to use 1mm copper instead. That being said the Putty may do the trick for you considering the directed airflow of the cotominer. You may also want to consider 3D Graphite pads as a viable option. I've got a couple videos I'll be posting soon showing their effectiveness.
@@alfiethefeline3311 yes, Putty alone just like in this video. It is worth a shot. I found that Putty alone in a dense 7 card open air rig of mostly 3080's wasn't enough and I'm having to upgrade to copper shims. It's possible you won't run into that issue as the Octominers move a good amount of air through/past the card. My main issue is ventilation of my mining room.
Digikey UK still seem to have stock of this. Does it come in the piping bag for application or did you come up with that idea? Seems to work very well and keeps application neat
It comes in a plastic tub. I came up with the piping bag method on my own. I first tried applying by hand, rolling little balls for each VRAM and long snakelike strips for other areas but my first batch was older and not as soft (had 6 month shelf life sticker instead of 2 years). Next I tried in a small, then large, plastic syringe but it was too hard to press. The Piping bag does work well, but still requires some force to be applied to squeeze it out, but is the easiest method I've found so far. I used the hand rolling method again a couple days ago when swapping in copper shims into my TUF 3080. I reused the ~1 year old putty and added into around 10% fresh putty and kept kneeding it until it was well mixed, then made long strips for VRM and caps. I used fresh on either side of the copper shims though so it would squeeze out easily.
It all depends on your rig setup, ambient temperature, and overclock settings. This was on an open test bench and was the only card on the motherboard. The ambient temperature was 22 Celcius. I use locked core clocks instead of an offset which can often minimise power usage and thu heat. Our videocards are like race horses. They wanna go fast as soon as you get them to do something (gaming/mining/rendering). They just want to get the job done as fast as possibly and will fill whatever power limit you set.
TG-PP10 was discontinued unfortunately so I am currently looking for an alternative Thermal Putty. Once I find a good alternative I post links for it in my videos. Thermal Putty is a soft clay like material that maintains it's effectiveness and workability for a very long time. It doesn't dry out, bake, or leak oil like some thermal pads.
Great temps! I couldn't get them quite as low with pads.. interesting stuff this thermal putty. Do you know what the difference between the different versions? I noticed there's a TG-PP10 30G / 50G / 500G and 1000G...says something like ONE-PART THERMAL PUTTY 30G POT. Any idea? Thanks!
The difference is how many grams of the stuff are in that package. The largest has 1000g (1kg or 2.2 lbs), and would be enough to do 12-20 cards, depending on the cards
You may want to take a look at some of my more recent videos. I've moved onto higher performing putties. Currently I'm really liking Upsiren UX Pro bought from Aliexpress (specifically the Mlddle999 Store). I've purchased lots of other putties I'll be testing soon and will document and post videos of the results.
@@snarksdomain What thermal putty are you currently using for your GPU and vram chips? I'm looking at switch to thermal putty instead of trying to find thermal pads in my laptop. Thanks.
@@colt5189 lots of good ones to choose from these days. Check out the Test Chart Repository link in the video description (VRAM TIM Charts). I'm currently using Upsiren UTP-8, CX-H1300, Upsiren UX Pro Ultra, Upsiren U6 Pro, and Halnziye HY256.
For the most up to date info and performance comparison of outties please check out my latest video. If the video is boring feel free to skip to the end where I have a comparison chart for reference.
The short answer is that we now have MUCH better putties available. Upsiren UX Pro EVGA Penchem TH949-1 Upsiren U6 Pro Jeyi 8100 Penchem TH855-5 Penchem TH930 (similar performance to TG-PP10)
Thanks 😊 I'll be redoing my own 3080FE with Copper Shims now that the outside ambient temperatures are starting to climb. My own 3080FE sits between 2 other 3080's in an open air rig so I'm not sure Putty alone will cut it anymore. My plan going forward is to use Copper Shims, at least on any card with GDDR6X.
@@snarksdomain Thanks for the response man! If you don't mind me asking, Did you go about purchasing this? Putty? I've been looking around and it seems they're all special order only and you got to have an account.
@@TekShinji I ordered it from Digikey.ca and it shipped within a week-10 days even though it showed "out of stock" or "backorder" for me when I put the orders in.
Would it be wise to use this on a gaming laptop such as a 2021 Razer Blade Advanced with the 3080 16 GB? Also how hard is it to remove this crap later?
I'm currently using it on my Gigabyte Auros 15P laptop with 3080 8GB. Hard to say if it made an improvement over stock pads or not but I don't mine on my laptop. It didn't appear to make things worse. As for difficulty of cleaning it up, I won't find that out for another couple months at which point I'll be testing and tearing a card apart that has had it for 12 months at that time.
@@snarksdomain Thanks for replying. I don't mine either. I was just curious if this is safe for laptops and how hard it is to clean up. Once my warranty ends I intend to repaste my laptop and change the thermal pads. Since you can not measure the size of the OEM thermal pads pre compressions I figured putty would fill the void better.
@@tardwrangler1019 If the putty is freshly installed it remains very soft and somewhat sticky but can be cleaned up easily by scraping the bulk of it off with a tiny thermal paste spatula and the rest with Q-tips and a dry toothbrush. Then final clean with IPA and Q-tips. If it has been several months since application and used 24/7 at load for that time it becomes a bit firmer, yet still thermally effective. I tore apart a TUF 3080 around the 12 month mark and reused most of the putty. In this case is becomes easier to remove as it has lost it's stickiness. While not as soft as it was during application it can be made softer by adding ~20% fresh putty to it and kneaded well to mix. This let's you re-use the putty in areas that have a 2+ mm gap (clean bits, toss the parts of the putty caked with dust/dirt). I'd recommend using fresh putty for gaps smaller than 1.5mm and especially for shim application as it needs to be as soft as possible le to compress down to 0.1mm
Commenting on an video that's a couple months old, but will you or can you do an update on where the temps are at now after using it for a little while? I am really curious of the longevity of it due to costs. Lastly, it says the product is no longer made 8^( not sure why if its so great. Do you have an alternative? Thanks for your time and videos. New Subscriber !
They unfortunately stopped making the product because the cost of the ingredients increased for them. They should have just raised the price, but chose not to for some reason. Their other putties cost significantly more and are rated at less unfortunately. I'm actively trying to find a good alternative, although I no longer use just putty. Now I do copper shims with putty which is a match made in heaven. I'll test out temperatures on my 3080 FE and document that before I swap it over to copper plus putty. I now push my cards a lot further than I did before and they are fairly close together now, plus summer is coming. Upgrading to copper+putty is part of my solution.
@najeebshah. you're going to want to buy Putty on Aliexpress and wait the typical 8-14 days it takes to arrive in continental US. 100g costs around $35 CAD
For me it hasn't been. I've always received it within 6-10 days of ordering even though it says "out of stock". I last ordered some on March 16th and they shipped it 6 days later. Then it was another few days in transit. One person I know waited ~6 weeks for their order though. They ordered back in ~January.
I've been buying it from Digikey. They have a few dozen country specific websites which you can navigate to by clicking on the flag at the top and then selecting your country/region. Here is a link to the Canadian site listing the different quantities they sell of TG-PP10... www.digikey.ca/en/products/filter/thermal-adhesives-epoxies-greases-pastes/220?s=N4IgTCBcDaICoHMC0AHFBGADCAugXyA
I'm going to be testing out TG-NSP80 hopefully in a couple weeks. It's rated at 8.3 W/mK. I'm hopeful it will test well and be an okay replacement for TG-PP10 now that TG-PP10 is discontinued.
@@tornadozone1708 I don't have any personal experience with it but I've seen other reviews of it being not great. I'll likely get a small amount of it for testing. Will be nice to have some side by side tests of it.
@Nobody turns our TG-NSP80 conducts electricity so it's a no go. K5 Pro doesn't seem to perform very well at all (from testing it out in another video). I've got 3 putties arriving soon from Penchem: TH930, TH855, and TH949.
In Brazil is very hard to find this putty... Thank you for all this experiments!
Try this: www.digikey.com.br/pt/products/detail/penchem-technologies-sdn-bhd/TH930-500G-JAR/16277195
wow amazing ! i finally bought a 500 gr i find online from USA. i cant wait to do this, as the founders editions are pain in the ass witht the thermal pads thickness.
My 3080 Founders edition that is in a 7 card rig is currently seeing 104 Celcius Memory Junction at a +1800 memory overclock so I will be changing to copper shims and putty, which seems to be the best combination so far. The putty allows you to use thinner copper shims which means less pressure on the PCB, great contact with the putty, and no drying/baking.
Before I swap it to copper shims I will test the card alone in my test rig to see how it has holds up for a single card environment.
@@snarksdomain i had 8 card founders rig in an octominer, 2 of the cards got problem, no matter what i use doesnt do the trick, used the copper plates specially created for founders 3080, core was too hot at 70C memory was 75C which is good. the 2mm pads doesnt work core goes so hot 1.5 mm pads doesnt work memorry sits to 110C , so mix of 1.5 and 2.0mm pads i tried didnt worked too. only had one option left really. Or i need to try to sand down the copper plate to make it thinner, as i think when i put the copper plate the core doesnt touch enough. the rest of the cards are amazing. 55 C core, 70 C memmory. I guess two cards got either slightly bend PCB or something else. Assuming it will be fixed:D
@@alfiethefeline3311 if Copper plates gave you those temps then they were too thick. Would likely want to use 1mm copper instead.
That being said the Putty may do the trick for you considering the directed airflow of the cotominer.
You may also want to consider 3D Graphite pads as a viable option. I've got a couple videos I'll be posting soon showing their effectiveness.
@@snarksdomain putty alone ? without the copper ?
@@alfiethefeline3311 yes, Putty alone just like in this video. It is worth a shot. I found that Putty alone in a dense 7 card open air rig of mostly 3080's wasn't enough and I'm having to upgrade to copper shims.
It's possible you won't run into that issue as the Octominers move a good amount of air through/past the card.
My main issue is ventilation of my mining room.
Digikey UK still seem to have stock of this. Does it come in the piping bag for application or did you come up with that idea? Seems to work very well and keeps application neat
It comes in a plastic tub. I came up with the piping bag method on my own. I first tried applying by hand, rolling little balls for each VRAM and long snakelike strips for other areas but my first batch was older and not as soft (had 6 month shelf life sticker instead of 2 years).
Next I tried in a small, then large, plastic syringe but it was too hard to press.
The Piping bag does work well, but still requires some force to be applied to squeeze it out, but is the easiest method I've found so far.
I used the hand rolling method again a couple days ago when swapping in copper shims into my TUF 3080. I reused the ~1 year old putty and added into around 10% fresh putty and kept kneeding it until it was well mixed, then made long strips for VRM and caps. I used fresh on either side of the copper shims though so it would squeeze out easily.
@@snarksdomain very helpful info, thanks!
How you get 43c when before changing the thermal pads and after on idle I dont get bellow 58c.... I am so confused...
It all depends on your rig setup, ambient temperature, and overclock settings.
This was on an open test bench and was the only card on the motherboard. The ambient temperature was 22 Celcius. I use locked core clocks instead of an offset which can often minimise power usage and thu heat.
Our videocards are like race horses. They wanna go fast as soon as you get them to do something (gaming/mining/rendering). They just want to get the job done as fast as possibly and will fill whatever power limit you set.
Hello, could you describe exactly what is "thermal putty" and put a commercial link in the description please ? Thanks.
TG-PP10 was discontinued unfortunately so I am currently looking for an alternative Thermal Putty. Once I find a good alternative I post links for it in my videos.
Thermal Putty is a soft clay like material that maintains it's effectiveness and workability for a very long time. It doesn't dry out, bake, or leak oil like some thermal pads.
@@snarksdomain Ok thank you for your time.
Great temps! I couldn't get them quite as low with pads.. interesting stuff this thermal putty. Do you know what the difference between the different versions? I noticed there's a TG-PP10 30G / 50G / 500G and 1000G...says something like ONE-PART THERMAL PUTTY 30G POT. Any idea? Thanks!
The difference is how many grams of the stuff are in that package. The largest has 1000g (1kg or 2.2 lbs), and would be enough to do 12-20 cards, depending on the cards
@@snarksdomain Thanks for the info!
The nice thing about using icing as thermal compounds is you get to eat the leftovers. Yum!
Digikey no longer sells this putty, where do you get it from now?
You may want to take a look at some of my more recent videos. I've moved onto higher performing putties. Currently I'm really liking Upsiren UX Pro bought from Aliexpress (specifically the Mlddle999 Store).
I've purchased lots of other putties I'll be testing soon and will document and post videos of the results.
@@snarksdomain What thermal putty are you currently using for your GPU and vram chips? I'm looking at switch to thermal putty instead of trying to find thermal pads in my laptop. Thanks.
@@colt5189 lots of good ones to choose from these days. Check out the Test Chart Repository link in the video description (VRAM TIM Charts).
I'm currently using Upsiren UTP-8, CX-H1300, Upsiren UX Pro Ultra, Upsiren U6 Pro, and Halnziye HY256.
Would this stuff outperform, or perform at least equal, to let's say a Gelid Extreme pad?
For the most up to date info and performance comparison of outties please check out my latest video. If the video is boring feel free to skip to the end where I have a comparison chart for reference.
The short answer is that we now have MUCH better putties available.
Upsiren UX Pro
EVGA
Penchem TH949-1
Upsiren U6 Pro
Jeyi 8100
Penchem TH855-5
Penchem TH930 (similar performance to TG-PP10)
Great info.
Thanks 😊 I'll be redoing my own 3080FE with Copper Shims now that the outside ambient temperatures are starting to climb. My own 3080FE sits between 2 other 3080's in an open air rig so I'm not sure Putty alone will cut it anymore. My plan going forward is to use Copper Shims, at least on any card with GDDR6X.
Hey buddy, nice video! Looks like you beat me to it. We're actually planning to make one too eventually...
The more informative videos the better I figure :)
@@snarksdomain Thanks for the response man! If you don't mind me asking, Did you go about purchasing this? Putty? I've been looking around and it seems they're all special order only and you got to have an account.
@@TekShinji I ordered it from Digikey.ca and it shipped within a week-10 days even though it showed "out of stock" or "backorder" for me when I put the orders in.
@@snarksdomain awesome thank you man! I appreciate it! I'll definitely keep in contact with you now that I know you're in the GPU cooling scene!
Would it be wise to use this on a gaming laptop such as a 2021 Razer Blade Advanced with the 3080 16 GB? Also how hard is it to remove this crap later?
I'm currently using it on my Gigabyte Auros 15P laptop with 3080 8GB. Hard to say if it made an improvement over stock pads or not but I don't mine on my laptop. It didn't appear to make things worse.
As for difficulty of cleaning it up, I won't find that out for another couple months at which point I'll be testing and tearing a card apart that has had it for 12 months at that time.
@@snarksdomain Thanks for replying. I don't mine either. I was just curious if this is safe for laptops and how hard it is to clean up. Once my warranty ends I intend to repaste my laptop and change the thermal pads. Since you can not measure the size of the OEM thermal pads pre compressions I figured putty would fill the void better.
@@snarksdomain update?
@@tardwrangler1019 If the putty is freshly installed it remains very soft and somewhat sticky but can be cleaned up easily by scraping the bulk of it off with a tiny thermal paste spatula and the rest with Q-tips and a dry toothbrush. Then final clean with IPA and Q-tips.
If it has been several months since application and used 24/7 at load for that time it becomes a bit firmer, yet still thermally effective. I tore apart a TUF 3080 around the 12 month mark and reused most of the putty.
In this case is becomes easier to remove as it has lost it's stickiness. While not as soft as it was during application it can be made softer by adding ~20% fresh putty to it and kneaded well to mix. This let's you re-use the putty in areas that have a 2+ mm gap (clean bits, toss the parts of the putty caked with dust/dirt). I'd recommend using fresh putty for gaps smaller than 1.5mm and especially for shim application as it needs to be as soft as possible le to compress down to 0.1mm
@@snarksdomain thanks mate
Oops. I just noticed my corner video is out of sync during the reassembly. My bad
Commenting on an video that's a couple months old, but will you or can you do an update on where the temps are at now after using it for a little while?
I am really curious of the longevity of it due to costs.
Lastly, it says the product is no longer made 8^( not sure why if its so great. Do you have an alternative?
Thanks for your time and videos. New Subscriber !
They unfortunately stopped making the product because the cost of the ingredients increased for them. They should have just raised the price, but chose not to for some reason.
Their other putties cost significantly more and are rated at less unfortunately. I'm actively trying to find a good alternative, although I no longer use just putty. Now I do copper shims with putty which is a match made in heaven.
I'll test out temperatures on my 3080 FE and document that before I swap it over to copper plus putty. I now push my cards a lot further than I did before and they are fairly close together now, plus summer is coming. Upgrading to copper+putty is part of my solution.
@@snarksdomain thanks for the quick reply. I have 3080 FE as well and look forward to your next video.
How many grams used?
@najeebshah. 71 grams, but I used too much putty. This card could be done with closer to 50-55 grams.
@@snarksdomain fuck, 50g is kinda pricy whee i am , i was thinking 20g 😂
@@najeebshah. 50g should cost you around $20 CAD
@@snarksdomain 40usd here ☠️
@najeebshah. you're going to want to buy Putty on Aliexpress and wait the typical 8-14 days it takes to arrive in continental US.
100g costs around $35 CAD
Is the 8 weeks wait times accurate for the putty?
For me it hasn't been. I've always received it within 6-10 days of ordering even though it says "out of stock". I last ordered some on March 16th and they shipped it 6 days later. Then it was another few days in transit.
One person I know waited ~6 weeks for their order though. They ordered back in ~January.
@@snarksdomain Wow. It took 3 months for me when I ordered 1kg in January.
@@snarksdomain Still haven't gotten my putty lmao
Links?
I've been buying it from Digikey. They have a few dozen country specific websites which you can navigate to by clicking on the flag at the top and then selecting your country/region.
Here is a link to the Canadian site listing the different quantities they sell of TG-PP10...
www.digikey.ca/en/products/filter/thermal-adhesives-epoxies-greases-pastes/220?s=N4IgTCBcDaICoHMC0AHFBGADCAugXyA
Is that vanilla or chocolate frosting you use. lol
Minty fresh toothpaste! Lol
easier to use, but it's not available.😢
I'm going to be testing out TG-NSP80 hopefully in a couple weeks. It's rated at 8.3 W/mK. I'm hopeful it will test well and be an okay replacement for TG-PP10 now that TG-PP10 is discontinued.
@@snarksdomain thanks I will be waiting to see the results, what about the K5-Pro do you have info or experience with it.
@@tornadozone1708 I don't have any personal experience with it but I've seen other reviews of it being not great. I'll likely get a small amount of it for testing. Will be nice to have some side by side tests of it.
@@snarksdomain any updates?
@Nobody turns our TG-NSP80 conducts electricity so it's a no go. K5 Pro doesn't seem to perform very well at all (from testing it out in another video).
I've got 3 putties arriving soon from Penchem: TH930, TH855, and TH949.