We Found the Glue: Tear-Down of NVIDIA RTX 3090 Founders Edition
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- Опубліковано 23 вер 2020
- We decided to take apart the NVIDIA RTX 3090 Founders Edition card for thermocouple placement, and in the process, we discovered where NVIDIA hid the glue for this generation.
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In this video, we're taking apart the NVIDIA RTX 3090 Founders Edition video card, which is mostly an upscaled and larger RTX 3080 FE. That said, we decided to tear it down further this time, down to the fans and the glue. The design could use some tweaks for user serviceability, but it is overall moving in the right direction. We'd like to see NVIDIA change to pin-to-pad fans for easier fan replacement in the event of RMAs or fan death on the RTX 3090 FE (and 3080 FE) coolers, so hopefully that's a change we see in the next generation of stock coolers. Partners are still free to do their own designs, and those are starting to pop-up everywhere now, too, some with easier access to the card and fans. Our NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 FE review is also already live on the channel, linked above, for those who want performance metrics.
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Can I have one of your spare pc lol I broke as crap
So glad I got a mouse mat while it was in stock
Can you do a video comparison between the different thermal pads on the mem and vrm. Like between fujipoly 17.0 w/mk, 11.0 w/mk and thermal Grizzly minus pad8
Would be nice if they restocked the 3080s.. I've had this money sitting in my account for weeks now.
Does the modmat make a good mousepad for those of us that arent terribly concerned with response time?
GN: measures multiple fins to tenths of a mm with caliper.
Also GN: shoves 2 rulers into heatsink shroud and uses the caliper as a prybar.
Desperate times call for desperate measures!
@@GamersNexus not sure if the pun was intended, but it is appreciated.
@@jwbowen As straight edged as they are I can let it slide as a pun
@@GamersNexus Did the caliper bend?
"tenths of a mm" that really made me cry
Rofl i can just see the exhaustion in steve's eyes, well done mate
@@InnerFury666 get that /s outta here
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Tech Jesus suffers for our sins (our lust for fps)
It's not over yet, ,3070 embargo is lifting in...
@@testtestlast4306 I'm not lustful at all for the 3090; I'm flaccid and more likely to get a tech hard-on for the Abkoncore Ramesses 780. Why NVIDIA? Why? This is a gimped Titan with niche of niche productivity uses; not a gaming card at all; and nevermind not an 8K gaming card. Great cooler, I'd want it on the 3080 and certainly on any putative 3080Ti FE. The cooler might get my juices going; but that it exists and is on a gimped card I've zero interest in, never mind using, just annoys me.
Time to add screw removal tape to the GN toolkit lol
Marketing at its finest! "Screw Removal Tape"
@@GamersNexus If I opened a tool kit and read that I think I'd have to go outside and look at the sky for a bit and process it
or just a magnet, dude
@@GamersNexus why not? Just another shilling opportunity. 🤣
And a pair of rulers
When Linus originally reviewed the 3080 he heard a rattling coming from the card. I wonder if that could be similar to the issue that Jay had.
lol lets face it linus probably dropped it and dislodged something
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He heard a rattling and didn't investigate. What a tool!
@Advocatus Diaboli Honestly, I don't know why anyone does anything more than report that stuff as spam and move on.
@Advocatus Diaboli Something not clear?
They had the 3090 review on in Microcenter earlier! It was my first ever trip there and seeing your video there was awesome!!!
Haha, probably not helping them sell cards - but they probably sold through them all anyway!
Is airing UA-cam reviews a thing that happens in (good) offline stores now? I'm not in US, and here you'll sometimes not even get a proper promo video on a display they're selling, just a generic store-branded one that shows nothing.
@@Lishtenbird Don't know about tech stores, but I have seen gun stores showing gun UA-camr's videos for customers to see. (IV888, Military Arms Channel, etc...) So there are traditional brick and mortar retail businesses that are in touch with the internet/UA-cam scene.
My microcenter was playing a visual novel dating game
@@Tony-yn5rr was it KFC's VN?
Here's my conspiracy theory. Nvidia purposely put a size screw in there that you don't have in your toolkit, just to mess with you.
Surprised they didn't go for Apple style penta-head sockets in a few places. All those different screws are a mechanical engineer's kind of joke. "How many kinds of fasteners are there? Great! Use one of each. And glue."
dont forget to also, Glue the Screws
hehe... like Apple, it's got 20 screws of 25 different types!
Don't forget to route a very critical signal trace right underneath those screws, too. So if you use the wrong one, you break the connection and your product is useless. As seen on iPhone™️
@@mavamaarten that's consumerism for you.
2:13 instructions unclear, glue is now on stick.
Instructions unclear, I'm stuck now............ 🤣🤣🤣🤣
That isn't dry paste, it's a phase-change TIM tape after it's melted/set into place. Most machine-assembled sinks that need a really high W/mK use it because it's a convenient form for automation and as efficient as paste. I'm always surprised at the number of really experienced builders who aren't aware it exists.
Late comment, but true, might be something like Honeywell 7950
Still, I'm sure that tape doesn't help much for the longevity of the card
Now I know exactly how to take apart the card I won't be able to afford :D
It's like 2500 Aussie dollars here just what the fuck
Maybe you'll buy it for a hundred in seven years, would make sense repasting and refaning it then!
@Peter Evans I can't really know the reason for that much crazy salt in your life, but I hope it gets better for you. Cheers!
Yet. Won’t be able to afford yet.
@Peter Evans You have absolutely no idea how costs are actually made, pls stop talking.
I bought one of those signed mouse pads during your stream, cant wait to get it, and congratulations on reaching 1 mil. also, thanks for those case reviews that you make they are very helpful.
Thanks for that! Our shipper is slammed right now. He's working on all the orders!
@@GamersNexus it's worth the wait!
@@GamersNexus love u, Ur AWESOME
I'd guess the reason they glued the cable is so that it doesn't get damaged easily when putting the shroud on...
Mos def. Makes sense for the way they constructed it. They give probably 0% thought to how hard it is to dissemble sadly. It's nice to see the pin/pads, but that's for their own time/cost savings. Things like the "springs" too (as was said)
I bet they have a little tool ready for it for refurb line.
@@abitrubbish let's be honest though....99 percent of people will only remove the board. They aren't going to take the heat sink apart.
I had to look away when you started pulling on the glued ribbon cable. I can't deal with that sort of secondhand stress on a $1500 card...
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GN store really needs an "Even the LN2 tank disagrees..." shirt. Not like they don't sell out of most things anyways but that shirt would fly.
The founders edition is a freaking work of art. That's the first time I've ever said this.
Yeah it looks amazing the power cord placement though and only if it kept cooler temperatures like the higher end AIB partners.
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The twist and turns "oh so the glue was just the sticky pad residue, thanks goodness" a few moments later "glued fan ribbon cable?!.. NVIDIAAAA!?!@"
"Nothing on one, binding on two, got a click on three..."
Masterlock needs to take inspiration from Nvidia to make their locks harder to disassemble, while locked, mind you.
The only interest I have in this card whatsoever is seeing it taken apart.
Same. As far as I see it, 3080 is their flagship.
@@stanleyc2978 That's literally what they've said already. Nvidia considers the 3080 to be the flagship
@@lucariotrainer16 Yeap and im waiting for the 3080 20gb.
Taken apart figuratively and literally
The flagship is the flagship
Your content is a learning experience. I got to know so much new stuff in the last few days watching your content than I have had in a long time.
Now I just check every morning if something new has been posted. Been going through your old videos for now.
"Got a little click on 3, and a bit of movement on the heatsink, but it seems to be just a false set."
LPL FTW
5:10 I thought those were called zip ties according to the verge.
No, he called zip ties tweezers
guys your missing the joke, GN was actually holding tweezers and verge called zip ties tweezers, so the joke means the tweezers are zip ties
@donutdoode69 Yes, but if zip ties are tweezers, it's a reasonable assumption that tweezers are actually zip ties
Speaking of the Verge, where's Steve's livestrong bracelet?
I'm waiting for Intel to complain that this is also 'glued together'.
Lol
True 😁
marco the man the myth the techyes legend
Intel is using "glue" on their Xe GPUs so they dropped the salt so people won't call them hypocrites.
marco.
I love how thorough you are in your videos, thank you, very interesting, even though most is over my head.
Loved the brutal honesty in the review. Awesome job yet again. Really excited to see this.
could you do thermal testing without the "X" shroud that covers the sides?
21:02 There's the glue.
What's up with the glue? Is it a meme?
Thank you Steve, I’ve referenced your videos several times in the past when I needed to disassemble my GPUs to add a waterblock to them. Keep up the great work!
They need to make all GPUs this big, it's hilarious, looks like a blow up GPU
I'd only welcome some 4-slot GPU for superior silence, SLI is pretty much dead and the 2nd CPU PCI-E slot should be sitting unused anyway, so why not use that space.
@@Lishtenbird yea bro I'd so be okay with a 4 slot GPU that runs mega cool or quiet at 60/70 degrees or something, I've got a core P3, and use the vertical you mount, only need one slot
@@Lishtenbird maybe one that even plugs into the second PCIe slot but just uses it for mechanical support so the weight spreads across more points of contact
@@misterthegeoff9767 There are different MB layouts, the second x16 slot is not always at the same location. But a PCIe x1 connector (not a x16 one) for additional support should be fine.
@@Shellcool now that the noctua 3070 is out, does your wish feel fulfilled?
Nvidia: We have only had 3000 series in production since Aug..... GN opens to find Dry, Very Dry thermal paste 0.0
HMMM
I wonder what the manufacturing cost for that cooler is, has to be pretty damn high compared to the normal folded/crimped sheet fin design.
Also, get your well deserved sleep GN Team!
(nice LockPickingLawyer reference too. I'd love hearing a disassembly narrated by him, lol)
Probably more than 155$, which Igor leaked as the 3080 FE cooler cost.
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@@JirayD which was a low ball estimate.
@@mryellow6918 yes, so probably a bit more. It would probably stay below 200$, since the material costs wouldn't contribute as much as tooling and machine hours.
Steve gets a lot of love, and rightfully so, but huge shout out to the rest of GN staff during this crunch time too. Great work folks.
I don't think I don't love anything more on youtube than coming home late and have not one but TWO video to watch from Gamers Nexus! Thank god for new product launch, sorry it takes a tole on you guys but I love the spam of content :D
Damn LPL is getting so much cred. I've heard so many UA-camrs shout him out now. He's doing gods work.
I wanna ask. Isn't the "dryness" of the TIM part of avoiding pumpout?
The paste for these things is dispensed in measured amounts with tooling, if the paste is that dry now it will probably dry out and crack quickly. Oem paste is very often pretty cheap.
Pretty sure the main consideration re: TIM viscosity is making sure it stays put during manufacturing, shipping, and sitting on store warehouse/store shelves.
Thanks alot for all the information. Will replace the delta fan as it sounds done.
Thanks for posting about getting to the rest of the PCB for this card!
I just really, really appreciate nvidia's function-over-form design for this gen. hope they keep it up and inspire their competitors to do the same.
I think it looks very good. Tasteful, not like a transformer, a toy or some shit.
You say that, but these are th most aesthetically pleasing cards I have ever seen by a wide margin
don't get me wrong, the cards look great. I'm just glad that aesthetics didn't take precedent over functionality like turing.
15:10 i remember that thing when i got my first toolkit in 99. Never used it funny enough.
We had them in the electronics lab when I was at university - I should have swiped one, err I mean asked who their supplier was
Thank you for the hard work and information. Making it easy to make an informed decision for these card. Much appreciated.
Thank you for your tireless coverage Steve and everyone else from Gamers Nexus!
"small click out of pin #3
some counter rotation
and its open..." -LPL
ROFL :DD
The heat sink is also useful for cooling your Volkswagen engine. It's funny how Nvidia creates something so power hungry and huge, but gets no criticism, but when AMD creates something power hungry (even though less) , they get all of the flack.
Congratulations again on a million subs, really glad to c my favourite teardown expert's channel cross the million sub threshold
I'm very thankful that you didn't mention mounting pressure in "inch pounds"
Lockpicking lawyer! I love the reference
I feel like everyone on this site has seen at least one of his videos :D
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"Even the LN2 tank disagrees."
Love the tear downs
Thank you for your continuous hard work GN! Bringing us quality content again and again.
I can’t wait for the disappointment pc
This. It'll have one of these, and a Thermaltake CPU/RAM AIO cooler for sure.
@@benpeltola1364 I mean it's a good card just marketed weird so let's see what AMD has before giving out rewards.
That might be the Titan instead of this but either one should do fine lol.
@@GreenBlueWalkthrough I'm confident to say AMD won't do a month of hype-mongering and sell the reference cards at sweetheart prices, leaving AIBs to sell high over MSRP to offset the high board cost due to GDDR6X. Whether AMD's product is actually good is something time will tell us, but at least they aren't making a concerted effort to get our expectations beyond realism.
@@benpeltola1364 Yeah, honestly AMD has really gained my respect (and I'm sure many others) over the last 2 year. As you said, they don't sell us on hype and just silently release products at face value and let the numbers do the talking. They have just about taken over intel, and if done right, we could now see a solid nvidia contender. This could be a very interesting Q4 of 2020 into a great Q1 of 2021 for consumers.
19:19 one's binding, got a click and a little bit of movement on the core...
When you need the spirit of LPL to disassemble a GPU. 😂👌🏻
@Gamers Nexus Steve, I know you're exhausted but I just wanted to say Thank You for what you do for the consumer.
10.0 / 10.0 for effort, execution, and stubbornness! That was fun. I can barely see anymore, and hands are NOT steady. So. Vicarious delight in this disassembly. TY Steve and GN.
If there is hot glue in a 1500$+ card ...
Well, not _that_ hot, with a cooler of that size.
i prefer my glue cold and in a bag...
Dave: "Don't turn it on, take it apart!"
Awesome teardown as always $$$$
Thank you for the hole spacing!
Dear Tech Jesus, for Halloween can you please dress up in toga to fit your nickname?
LOL
This comment deserve more like
16:47 lol holy shit, my dad works for Delta Electronics!
Hey my buddy my pal🤗....Can your dad hook me up with some fans😅
And do you maybe know someone who's dad works at AVC?🤔
you really do go above and beyond for us, thanks
Love the shout out for the Lock Picking Lawyer! And I bet you are right with the red bull can!
If i was shampoo manufacturer, I woul advertise it with this dude.
"Depends on how much they want to be like Apple..."
Hahaha
Apple has become so synonymous with "Anti Consumerism" and just general douchebag that I feel like we will soon be measuring those on an Apple scale. Like, for example Nvidia being "0.57 Apples" or something like that
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Using the back of the caliper as a pry tool--- I like your style ;)
Love the channel! keep it up steve
Steve: I guess its just the ghost of Jenson sabotaging it.
That is GOLD!
would it be possible to put a 3090 cooler on a 3080?
Edit: Nevermind looks like the 3090 pcb is too wide
Jerry rig it baby
I really should be asleep...but theres no way I can resist a gamernexus video anymore
I am amazed at your restraint sir!
nvidia be like: nobody has duck tape at home, just take a stick with glue.
15:30 Never seen a tool like that yellow pen thing before. It would really come in handy for me, does anybody know what it's called or where to get one?
search amazon for IC pickup tool
Staples carries a computer toolkit that includes one.
Many Thanks guys. Found it and ordered it. Too bad it's only available on Ali Express because Amazon won't ship it to Egypt. It will prove Insanely useful when building and repairing PCs
Diligenc3 ... Right on! I can’t even count the amount of times I’ve had to use it to pick up screws I’ve dropped down in cases and onto motherboards... :)
I do a lot of laptop repairs. With the LED cable, the safest way is to use 2 black sticks on each side of the connector and push on both sides till it comes out.
You look like someone I would have hung out with 30 something years ago, watching Head Bangers Ball on Saturday nights while skating vert ramp. Great videos.
This card looks like it would rip the slot right off the motherboard.
yep, it needs some nice structural support there, or you have to use a PCI-E cable and a big case for proper cooling
The machining cost for that cooler has to be insane, especially for the small parts. I can't imagine the hold down rigging needed for everything. I'm impressed by NVidia, great work from a mechanical engineering point of view.
I was thinking the same thing. Really impressive
@@plank9484 You have to wonder if the rumoured cost of $155 for the cooler is accurate as it is a thing of beauty. Probably taken apart in 10 seconds once mounted on the correct jig. And yes it's designed for build (rather than tear down) but at least it can be deconstructed.
22:01 "even the LN2 tank disagrees"😂
Why are these videos so relaxing/comforting to watch? I have this playing in the background while I’m eating tator tots
"PUT DOWN THE GLUUUEEE" - Louis Rossmann
Mo Zamboni *hiss* *hiss*
@@justintolentino661 "THE IRON"
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I like the tweezers my vape tool kit came with. They're like the ones you have, but have an angle to them so it makes reaching into tight spaces a bit easier
really impressive teardown videos
This tear down should be in 8K
7:08 Graphics Cards are sturdier that most people think but that sound still freaks me out
Thanks. This was awesome ^_^
I can hear the exhaustion in your voice, Steve. Can't be said enough, thank you for this plethora of content covering these things. I hope you get a nice and long well deserved break soon!
Wonder why the thermal paste is so dry on a brand new card 😯 I thought it would get dry like that after long extensive use and not right outta the box!
yeah, really weird
Could it be they put it through testing beforehand?
Could it be they just used crappy paste?
@@wesw9586 and for an expensive card like that it should be really good stuff...
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* "cloth" tape ,the stuff is stronger than Arnold Schwarzenegger!
Liked because of effort you put writing the whole name
I used some of that same tape to fix a hole in a puffer jacket years ago.
It's survived a lot and still not showing any signs of letting go.
I've used it to hold on my bumper bars (on cars obvi) and it lasted for years, even in the rain, it was the heat of the sun that made it go all stretchy in the end. I love that it's easy to tear and apply!
Amazing channel, very good job.
Would you recommend opening the GPU and changing the thermal paste since they come with a very dry paste?
My question is there any negative effect of the magnet (from the frame) to the gpu itself? Or just minor?
No, no impact.
Magnets only affect hard disk drives, cd/dvd/blu-ray drives and floppy drives. I ruined a DVD drive over ten years ago by putting a desk fan right in front of my computer. It was a hot summer and my dorm had no AC so I used the desk fan to cool my computer with the side panel open. After that, the DVD drive stopped reading reliably. Electric motors use electromagnetism to spin the rotor.
I hate the assembly of the reference cards, it's like taking apart an smartphone. I don't have any problem in doing it but just imagine doing a quick repaste that you could do in 5 min with only a philips screwdriver. With this card it could take solid 20 mins for someone knowing what's going on.
At least AMD's Blowers can be taken apart with only a Philips Screwdriver. For all their other faults, hard disassembly isn't one of them.
@@JirayD *isn't yet one of them ;)
@@JirayD True, I was referring to Nvidia reference models.
9:19 that wee connector on the board that connects to the receptical on the back plate ... is best guess to make an earth connection between them
Great content!!!
Picked up the Tuf gaming 3090 from MicroCenter this morning and if I didn't get it basically for free I would be disappointed. Got a 3080 on launch day from MicroCenter and wound up selling the same day for 2 grand. Since I made my money back plus enough extra to pay for a 3090 I said f it why not. Picked up another Got the Tuf gaming 3090 and the thing is a damn brick. barely fits in my case.
It looks gigantic. We're gonna need bigger cases
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5:15 "Tweezers" that's an odd way of saying cable ties.
And he never even used an Allen wrench, what an amateur 😤😤😤
Instructions unclear. My swiss army knife doesn't have a T5 torx bit
Thanks for the teardown! Im going to get a board partner card! For sure!
Thank you for the detailed breakdown. For trying to run flight simulator with 3x4k displays for a home sim set up does it seem like this card will get there? Or are we still looking at SLI?
I'm a simple man: I see Gamer's nexus upload, I watch.
I love the looks of the cooler, to me all the partner cards look like shitty in comparson.
Yeah the only decent looking AIB cards is the Asus Strix ROG and Asus Tuf.
The MSI Gaming X Trio looks pretty damn good too
The only partner designs I've really liked have mostly been from EVGA, since you'll mostly ever just see the side anyway.
The cooler is very Apple-like in its design. Very clean, but difficult to disassemble and reassemble. AIB cards are very 1337 g4m3r themed as usual. I think the MSI Ventus range is the nicest looking of the AIB cards, although I ordered an Asus 3080 TUF OC edition since it seems to be one of the best reasonably priced 3080s around.
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I don't understand a lot of what you are talking about, but it is still very interesting. Thank you. :)
Good gravy that is a THICCCC card.
You don't really get the scale of the size increase until you see the 3080 FE beside the 3090 FE, with Steve's hands in the frame for scale.